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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-05-23

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02:49 AntumDeluge I am confused by this: player:get_look_horizontal() (value: 4.7080254554749); self.object:get_yaw() (value: 4.7080249786377); player:get_look_horizontal() - self.object:get_yaw() (value: 4.7683715820313e-07)
02:49 AntumDeluge Shouldn't that be closer to 0?
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02:53 AntumDeluge Oh, it sounds like this is an issue with floating point precision.
02:57 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach you did not highlight me correctly, i just saw it by accident, but thx
02:58 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach, wtf is that mod
02:59 MTDiscord <Jonathon> not a mod, its a game
03:00 AntumDeluge Solved my problem with "math.floor(self.driver:get_look_horizontal() * 100)". :)
03:00 BrBridge <J​ordach> erlehmann, how about wizard with the engine
03:00 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach the mod is walled "wizard with the engine" ?
03:00 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> called?
03:00 BrBridge <J​ordach> it's a game i'm working on
03:01 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach it looks to me like you make a boomer shooter in minetest
03:01 BrBridge <J​ordach> considering it has quake rocket jumps
03:01 BrBridge <J​ordach> yes
03:02 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach, i already like it
03:02 BrBridge <J​ordach> it has a mix of modern FPS, classic FPS and some fanciful features like modifying your stats as you prefer
03:03 BrBridge <J​ordach> https://gist.github.com/Jordach/8f5b666761bec7f4cba57078d6fb4861
03:03 BrBridge <J​ordach> here's the nloc
03:12 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach, release when
03:12 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach, or pre-release whatever where is the repo
03:12 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> Jordach, i am interested
03:25 BrBridge <J​ordach> have another gif of progress https://gfycat.com/essentialeuphoricarcticseal
03:31 BrBridge <E​vergreen> Wow, that's really looking good
03:33 BrBridge <J​ordach> afaik i'm sure minetest batches a lot of things together as single packets
03:33 BrBridge <J​ordach> spawning this many minetest entities only shows a few packets
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07:06 AntumDeluge Question: Wouldn't this always return 0 if the setting isn't set? tonumber(minetest.settings:get("bike_max_speed")) or 6.9
07:07 AntumDeluge It should be "tonumber(minetest.settings:get("bike_max_speed") or 6.9)" correct? or does it not make a difference?
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07:10 AntumDeluge Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I thought "tonumber(nil)" returned "0", but looks like it returns "nil". So either way should work.
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13:00 rubenwardy AntumDeluge: get can also return "" if the user has set it to that
13:00 rubenwardy The tonumber(X) or 6. Ensures that it always returns a number
13:01 rubenwardy Minetest 5.4.1 contained a fix related to this
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17:10 celeron55 fyi: once the channel on the new network has more (legit) users than this one, MT's official irc network will be changed. currently it's 70 vs. 121
17:12 MTDiscord <refugee> yeah freenode drama be bad
17:12 celeron55 make sure to follow what's happening with freenode, it's getting worse and there are also reasons talking about it publicly may be a bad idea
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17:18 MTDiscord <refugee> 0_0
17:19 MTDiscord <refugee> where do i follow it???
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18:41 Noclip So minetest is also switching from freenode to libera.chat?
18:42 MTDiscord <refugee> can i put it in the wiki?
18:44 Noclip What's the current status of minetest on matrix? It's officialy listed on https://www.minetest.net/get-involved/ but irc seems to be still the main chat for minetest.
18:46 MTDiscord <ChaosWormz> Is OpenGL 1.4 still the minimum requirement?
18:46 Krock for shaders, you might need more
18:47 Krock but "raw minetest" requires 1.4 at least
18:48 MTDiscord <Jonathon> currently discord, freenode, libera, and matrix are all bridge together
18:51 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> is it ok to talk about the freenode drama here? or is it taboo everywhere on IRC?
18:52 MTDiscord <refugee> wait.... so everything from all networks is here? 0_o
18:52 MTDiscord <refugee> my dear golly good
18:53 Noclip <MTDiscord "<Jonathon> currently discord, fr"> I don't think that's true or maybe you just meant it a different way.
18:54 MTDiscord <Jonathon> you literally just saw someone from liberia, im on discord, and your on freenode
18:54 wsor4035 and im on matrix
18:54 Noclip I'm in the official minetest room on matrix and it's not bridged with this room.
18:55 MTDiscord <Jonathon> well yes
18:55 rubenwardy and Im on caffeine
18:55 MTDiscord <Jonathon> my point still stands that this here is bridged to all the channels i talked about
18:56 MTDiscord <Jonathon> *platforms
18:56 MTDiscord <refugee> and thats why we cant talk about it on discord.... but what about on libera? 0_o
18:56 Noclip <MTDiscord "<Jonathon> you literally just sa"> I'm on matrix (not on freenode) but this is not the official minetest room on matrix.
18:56 wsor4035 heh, the bridge treats matrix replys terribly
18:57 Noclip wsor: I know
18:57 wsor4035 anyways, the discord has tons of non relayed channels, the matrix room is not relayed, and there are some freenode minetest channels not relayed as well
18:58 Noclip In short: It's a mess xD
18:59 wsor4035 yes, this. dev, and hub is relayed everywhere, then each other platform has that platform specific rooms/channels/whatever there called
18:59 Noclip BrBridge Is used for the libera.chat bridge?
19:00 wsor4035 yes, hosted by benrob
19:00 wsor4035 who incidently "owns" the matrix room and space
19:00 Noclip It's bridging freenode and libera.chat directly into each other?
19:00 wsor4035 ya
19:01 wsor4035 and freenode to matrix by freenode
19:01 wsor4035 and freenode to discord by mtdiscord hosted by greenxenith
19:01 wsor4035 basically bridge ception is happening
19:01 MTDiscord <56i's alt> yeah... (imo) we need to crush down the "verbose networks" (freenode, matrix) in turn for the superior forms of communcation, like libera, forums, discord and a handful more
19:02 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Note that bridges might get consolidated at some point but not right now
19:02 Noclip Some irc rooms have really interesting bridge setups xD
19:02 MTDiscord <Jonathon> shame liberia doesnt have relays to matrix'
19:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> since i use matrix as my irc bouncer
19:03 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Honestly the matrix.org bridges have been a bit of a mess over the years
19:03 Noclip <MTDiscord "<Jonathon> shame liberia doesnt "> As far as I know it's still work in progress.
19:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> bridges in general are a mess
19:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> btw im wsor, this bridge doesnt carry my nick for some reason
19:04 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Bridges, plural, are a mess. A properly implemented bridge for multiple platforms works fine
19:04 Noclip <MTDiscord "<Jonathon> btw im wsor, this bri"> Oh lol, good to know.
19:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I wouldn't blame Libera for not wanting to reinstitute the network-wide bridges, and I'd much  rather see the display name message tag or RELAYMSG command get added to Libera
19:05 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> how did you change your nick colour? thunderbird user asking
19:05 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And Discord doesn't relay nicks because people can have absurd nicks and literally any char
19:05 MTDiscord <Jonathon> maybe thats a good thing else i would get pinged all the time on matrix 😛
19:06 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> independent56: The bridge assigns colors to users and formats the nicknames accordingly
19:06 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> oh yeah
19:07 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Its just for readability
19:07 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> makes sense
19:07 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> wait.. so my message appear EVERYWHERE (irc, freenode, there and here)?
19:07 MTDiscord <Jonathon> as i told you before, yes
19:08 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> no privacy in irc 😭
19:08 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> Jonathon: A matrix bridge for Libera is in progress.
19:08 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> They will appear on Libera, Freenode, the Freenode Matrix Bridge, and Minetest Discord's bridge.
19:08 Noclip @independent56 and on matrix and discord.
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19:08 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> oh my god... i can bypass bans like this /j
19:09 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> (not really, i cant even search back)
19:09 Noclip <BrBridge "<independent56> no privacy in ir"> Privacy in public rooms doesn't make sense at all ...
19:09 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> ^
19:09 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i was /hj. sorry
19:09 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> and wow, those replies are truly messed up 0_o
19:09 Noclip The best way to bypass bans is by not getting banned in the first place ...
19:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> yeah, but they are a expert at getting banned at this point
19:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> ive lost track of how many discords, and servers they have been banned from
19:10 BrBridge <i​ndependent_> hexchat
19:11 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I could probably configure the bridge to replace the Matrix Reply syntax for bridged messages
19:11 Noclip @Jonathon are you talking about @i​ndependent56?
19:11 MTDiscord <Jonathon> yes
19:11 MTDiscord <Jonathon> or there other aliases
19:12 Noclip Why is @independent56 getting banned that much?
19:13 MTDiscord <Jonathon> it would be rude to say....
19:13 Noclip Ok
19:14 MTDiscord <56i's alt> he is get banned due to hi actions. not even him understands why. it jsut happens.
19:14 MTDiscord <56i's alt> people get tired of me.
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19:14 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> 0_0
19:15 MTDiscord <Jonathon> oh look, the alt speaks on a banned platform
19:16 MTDiscord <56i's alt> i;ll be good this time!
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19:18 Noclip I think I've never been banned from any chat room at all.
19:19 rubenwardy I've been banned from an among us room because the host wanted my colour
19:19 rubenwardy I didn't play among us for long
19:20 MTDiscord <Jonathon> lol
19:20 Noclip lol
19:22 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> XD
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19:28 Noclip I got time-banned from 2 minecraft servers many years ago.
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19:29 BrBridge <V​anessaE> as opinionated as I am, it's a miracle that I've never, to my recollection, been banned from anywhere :)
19:30 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> its not a quesrtion that if i spend eneough time somewhere, i always get banend from said place
19:30 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> its sad to know that no amtter where i go, i will always be sent away.
19:30 Noclip In the fist case I had a pretty good kill-streak (probably mostly for reasons of luck) and plop "banned by an operator".
19:30 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Its almost as if theres a recurring pattern resulting in your inevitable removal that you should probably figure out and resolve.
19:31 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> its the biggest riddle of my online life
19:31 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> and the reasons are always so varied
19:31 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> VanessaE: Not true, I know you're banned from at least #libera-cloak and #ve-minetest-servers on freenode.  :-P
19:31 BrBridge <V​anessaE> that doesn't count :)
19:31 Noclip In the second case I did some harmless bug-using in the server lobby and got auto-banned by an anti-hack software ...
19:31 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> it does!
19:31 BrBridge <C​Wz> why banned from #libra-cloak
19:31 BrBridge <V​anessaE> those are automatic services doing their job :)
19:32 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> tell me more :->
19:32 BrBridge <V​anessaE> CWz: after your cloak is applied, a pattern ban boots you out.  flood control
19:32 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> let me just quickly restart my client
19:32 BrBridge <G​reenXenith> I didnt even know I was cloaked until I checked my server notices, the channel didnt ban me so I left on my own
19:32 BrBridge <V​anessaE> also interestingly, when I applied the akick to the old channel, it didn't kick me out, probably because I'm the channel founder :)
19:33 BrBridge <C​Wz> VanessaE, what if Bulldog1 and Bakerprime get lost in the woods
19:33 BrBridge <C​Wz> and never find us
19:34 BrBridge <V​anessaE> the akick message points them here
19:34 BrBridge <V​anessaE> plus they could easily ask via one of the servers
19:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> er, points them to this network anyway :P
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20:26 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> rather quiet here... lets spark the chat:
20:26 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> rust > lua
20:27 Noclip xDD
20:28 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> error[E0308]: mismatched types. Expected CompiledLang, found ScriptingLang.
20:30 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> lol. but rust guarntees memory safety... and you can probably make a mix of the two.
20:31 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> ...hello, we meet again.
20:31 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Lua scripting embedded in a Rust application sounds like a win to me.
20:31 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> yeah, to me too!
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20:34 MTDiscord <y5nw> I thought someone wrote a Lua API for Rust? (never used Rust myself though)
20:35 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> hmmm...
20:36 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> if i get someone's user id, i can ping them. just plop it inbetween "<@" and ">", and it should ping.
20:36 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> The bridge will convert discord mentions automatically
20:37 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> There are a couple crates that wrap the LUA C API.
20:37 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i thought that the conversion occur as soon as the message is sent to the server, not via bridge. its how discord mentions work.
20:39 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Discord mentions are created on the client side
20:39 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i wish i had a dormant alt that nobody knew about, wich i could use to take screenshots. but i dont. i burnt mine.
20:39 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> makes sense
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20:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> if mention == "at me" then
20:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> ping()
20:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> else if mention == "at someone else" then
20:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> pingSomeoneElse(mentionTo)
20:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> end
20:40 BrBridge <C​Wz> lel
20:41 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i forgot
20:41 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> newlines cant go into irc 🤦‍♂️
20:41 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> https://pastebin.com/Q54bLc89
20:41 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> here is the joke
20:42 MTDiscord <y5nw> wonders why independent56 needs two variables for mentions
20:42 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> XD
20:43 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i code horribly. sorry
20:50 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i fuhae my connection lapses
20:50 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> resay everything you said during 21:43-21:50
20:51 BrBridge <s​fan5> there was nothing
20:51 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> GreenXenith: what software do you use for the bridge?  It doesn't respond to CCTP VERSION.
20:56 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> BrBridge isn't mine
20:57 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> BrBridge uses Matterbridge, DiscordMT uses reactiflux/discord-irc
20:58 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> MTDiscord*
20:58 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I don't think Matterbridge cares about CTCP at all, other than maybe filtering it out if messages
20:58 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> *of
21:01 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> Matterbridge responds to CCTP VERSION (although it identifies itself as girc, the IRC library it uses) and seems to relay CCTP ACTION (/me) properly.  And yeah, I meant the Discord bridge.
21:02 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Oh, fair enough (I had seem reports of otherwise but good to know)
21:03 BrBridge <V​anessaE> B​enrob0329: would you mind taking dark blue out of the nickname coloring the bridge is doing? it's unreadable on black backgrounds
21:07 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> Maybe it puts the \x01ACTION later in the message and not all clients recognize it?  It works in my client.
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21:10 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> time to reignite the chat
21:11 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> haha multikraft is 100% better then minetest ever could be
21:11 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> obviously /j/s
21:14 MTDiscord <Jonathon> are you trying to cause drama?
21:17 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> no... just want to talk
21:17 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i know... explain to me why advtrains is brilliant
21:17 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> *linux
21:17 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> brainslip
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21:39 MTDiscord <Jordach> local man has doubt
21:40 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> hey
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22:12 BrBridge <e​st31> hello
22:12 BrBridge <r​ubenwardy> hello
22:12 BrBridge <e​st31> libera works
22:13 BrBridge <r​ubenwardy> [off] test
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22:29 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> VannessaE: I don't believe I can, however you should probably alter your client's color scheme so that all colors are legible
22:29 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Also, I need to add a message filer so that any [off] messages aren't bridged
22:30 BrBridge <V​anessaE> :(
22:30 BrBridge <x​_> hello
22:31 * BrBridge <V​anessaE> shrugs and adjusts that color entry
22:31 BrBridge <V​anessaE> hi.
22:34 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> @Benrob0329 also look into setting up discord bridging so we don't have two nested bridges.
22:35 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> That is already the plan
22:36 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> ^
22:36 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> To be fair though, the bridging is fairly homogeneous on Libera now so I don't think it's a big issue
22:37 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Though it looks a bit crap on Discord
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22:38 BrBridge <S​hadowNinja> Yeah, the double bridge stripping is pretty cool.
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23:11 BrBridge <e​rlehmann> what are [off] messages
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23:12 MTDiscord <entuland> I've seen that prefix on many messages to "tag" them as off-topic
23:13 xerox123 it's to stop them being relayed or logged by the bot
23:48 MTDiscord <Genshin> hope you guys over at IRC like what you see 🙂
23:48 MTDiscord <Genshin> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846172771008249866/screenshot_20210522_124321.png

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