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nisa_ |
hi |
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ji |
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julius |
hi |
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VanessaE |
ok, 9-slicing is my new favorite option, and I guess it ain't even all that new ;) |
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Extexo |
Yee 9 slicing is the way of the future |
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VanessaE |
https://i.imgur.com/oaRXygp.png (this is on top of the formspec v4 rewrite, see previously-mentioned pull req) |
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Is there a way to disable to default background so I can have transparency in the button |
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https://thelounge.bloblet.com/uploads/953c1a605f44702c/Screenshot_2021-03-06-17-24-04.png |
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cheapie |
What exactly is the "WARNING[Main]: No craft recipe matches input" message supposed to mean? It doesn't seem to be that big of a deal, but it's unhappy about /something/, and I have no idea at all what that message is trying to say or even what it's trying to say it about. |
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<Jordach> it's implying that theres no way to craft it i think |
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cheapie |
I'm sure you've all seen MS Paint before. How about MT Paint? https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20210306_234329.png |
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cheapie |
Works, too, except the File and About menus aren't implemented yet. |
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cheapie |
Back side: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20210306_233200.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> what on earth are those frozen looking cables |
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cheapie |
Those are from https://github.com/numberZero/digiline_routing |
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cheapie |
Yes, I know the textures suck, but... not my mod :P |
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cheapie |
The reason for the complex wiring arrangement is that I needed messages from the LuaC to go to the GPU, messages (image data) from the GPU to go to the display, and messages (touch events) to go from the display to the LuaC, but for messages from the GPU to *not* go to the LuaC, except on a specific channel designated for that purpose. |
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DivideByZero |
Does anyone know how to remove stuck breads on the screen leftover from a hunger mod that was removed? |
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DivideByZero |
Looking for a solution other than deleting my entire world and recreating it. |
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DivideByZero |
I'm not against hand editing files, if someone could point me in the right direction. |
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DivideByZero |
And if this information helps, the hunger mods I tried out were hunger_ng & hbhunger. Not sure which left the bread on my screen. Have tried reenabling both mods and disabling them, but the stuck breads never go away. |
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DivideByZero |
PS: enabled them separatly, never at the same time. |
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DivideByZero |
Here is a screenshot of the stuck bread: https://upload.picpaste.me/image/QcaBo |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> "Stuck" HUD elements even after removing the mod should not be possible by design...the engine reloads everything from scratch after you close your client/shutdown your server...my guess is that you have another hunger mod still somewhere |
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DivideByZero |
Thanks MTDiscord, I don't, but I'll check my mods list again just to be 100% certain. Possibly maybe some other mod gives hunger that I was unaware of though. I'll look into that also. Thanks for the information. |
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DivideByZero |
I'm also going to try full shutdown of the server, and see if that helps. Previously I just used 'systemctl restart..' |
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DivideByZero |
Fullshutdown didn't solve it, looking into other things now. |
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MTDiscord |
<Gerold55> Oh wow I was hoping something like this was possible |
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MTDiscord |
<Gerold55> But I was hoping they'd work with my laptop and printer mod lol |
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tech_exorcist |
is it just me, or there isn't the "Sand Stair" block? https://wiki.minetest.net/Stair seems to confirm that, but "This page was last modified on 6 March 2019, at 16:36." and I'm using Minetest 5.3.0 |
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* tech_exorcist |
downloads and builds the new version |
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tech_exorcist |
if I git pull the code, can I just run make to only rebuild the parts that were changed? MT takes ~20 minutes to be built on this computer |
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VanessaE |
damn it Krock, quit poking holes in my code, it's already practically swiss cheese ;) |
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Krock |
VanessaE: let's melt it to a fondue |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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tech_exorcist |
? |
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VanessaE |
I think I've resolved all your remarks other than the things I said I'd do later |
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VanessaE |
tech_exorcist: referring to a pull request he and I are working on |
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tech_exorcist |
ok |
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VanessaE |
tech_exorcist: as for compiling, it's already been 10 mins, what's another 10? ;) as for "sand" stairs, that wouldn't make sense, since sand normally can't hold itself together to make such a thing, but there are sandstone stairs. |
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VanessaE |
same reason there aren't gravel stairs |
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tech_exorcist |
ok |
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tech_exorcist |
re compiling: I didn't start compiling :-) |
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VanessaE |
though now that you mention it... I should write a mod to add sand and gravel slopes and slabs, since those DO make sense, so long as they can only sit on the ground (i.e. no rotation onto walls or upside down) |
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tech_exorcist |
hmm, the game crashed when I tried to lay down in a bed |
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tech_exorcist |
wtf |
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VanessaE |
Krock: it seems there's an errant webhook on the unified_inventory repo that's creating contendb releases of more than just the master branch. can you fix it? I don't have sufficient access. |
| 12:17 |
Krock |
I don't know how to correct that but I can remove the "pending approval" releases |
| 12:18 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: !! |
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VanessaE |
the webhook will be on github. |
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Krock |
deactivated the webhook for now |
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VanessaE |
thanks :) |
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VanessaE |
Krock: you sure converting stuff over to string.format() is appropriate for this PR? I have nothing better to do anyway :) |
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VanessaE |
(also the `local ui = unified_inventory` thing is easy to do if it makes sense to do it now) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Set ENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP to TRUE by default dcb30a5 https://git.io/Jqklq (2021-03-07T13:26:09Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Predict failing placement of ignore nodes d9b78d6 https://git.io/JqklZ (2021-03-07T13:26:50Z) |
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nisa_ |
^ are these commits? |
| 13:30 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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MTDiscord |
<Phillip> is anyone playing online? |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Check servers.minetest.net |
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nisa_ |
Ah nice |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> If you mouseover the player count of each server you see the usernames |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> On mobile it works by holding it down and moving a few px I think |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Or just tapping may work as well |
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DivideByZero |
Still unable to solve my stuck bread issue: https://upload.picpaste.me/image/QcaBo |
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rubenwardy |
VanessaE, Krock: https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/commit/9cb9f8a4f6b7f51eae05abf47dc04943fbc14e8c |
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rubenwardy |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Hotfix: Prevent webhooks from running on non-master/main branches · minetest/contentdb 9cb9f8a · GitHub |
| 14:50 |
VanessaE |
? |
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DivideByZero |
Anyone have any insights to offer why brea icons might be leftover on the screen after removing a hunger mod? |
| 14:50 |
DivideByZero |
bread |
| 14:52 |
DivideByZero |
and by icons, I mean the HUD graphics for the hunger bar. |
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rubenwardy |
I can't reproduce the inability to delete releases locally, but I can by signing in as VanessaE in production |
| 14:56 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
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rubenwardy |
it's because it's checking for owner status, not maintainer |
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sfan5 |
DivideByZero: maybe the mod that manages the hudbars stores the old values |
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sfan5 |
but that'd be very weird imo |
| 15:00 |
DivideByZero |
sfan5: How could I check this? |
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VanessaE |
rubenwardy: yeah, I figured that was the case... but who should the author even *be* on UI? I mean, RBA passed away some years ago, and it's in minetest-mods now..... |
| 15:00 |
rubenwardy |
unfortunately, you can't currently change authors without breaking installs |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
oh. |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
breaking installs meaning that they won't ever update |
| 15:01 |
rubenwardy |
author name is part of the primary key |
| 15:03 |
DivideByZero |
sfan5: I have even tried disabling the hudbars mod and it's still there. It's not showing the bar from HUD bar though, it's showing the bread icons from the non-HUD bars implementation. |
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sfan5 |
are you sure the hunger mod is gone then? |
| 15:04 |
DivideByZero |
Perhaps upgrading the mods caused it to be stuck? Is that a possibility? |
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sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 15:04 |
sfan5 |
nothing is impossible |
| 15:04 |
DivideByZero |
I set them to = false in the world.mt |
| 15:05 |
DivideByZero |
then restarted the server, and also tried full shutdown and start again. |
| 15:06 |
DivideByZero |
Also the bread icons aren't even appearing in the place they should be. they are showing over the health bar, with or without HUD_bars enabled. |
| 15:06 |
DivideByZero |
and mis-aligned also. |
| 15:06 |
DivideByZero |
as seen in the screenshot: https://upload.picpaste.me/image/QcaBo |
| 15:07 |
DivideByZero |
When I reactivate a hunger mod, the normal bars or breads appear in the proper location, but the stuck breads stay where they are. |
| 15:08 |
sfan5 |
I can only suggest disabling mods one-by-one until it goes away here |
| 15:08 |
DivideByZero |
Yikes. |
| 15:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Mods are more often designed to be able to be added gracefully to an existing world than to be removed. Sometimes they leave behind some junk, in the map, or in metadata, that might need to be manually cleaned up. |
| 15:09 |
DivideByZero |
Do any other mods besides hunger_ng & hbhunger give breads for hunger? Someone else suggested that earlier, but reading through all the mods, none seem obvious to do that. |
| 15:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> At least in the case of metadata it's often possible to clean stuff up via scripts... |
| 15:10 |
DivideByZero |
Someone earlier told me opposite to that information, because that was my original plan and question... |
| 15:10 |
DivideByZero |
"[02:57] <MTDiscord> <IhrFussel> "Stuck" HUD elements even after removing the mod should not be possible by design...the engine reloads everything from scratch after you close your client/shutdown your server...my guess is that you have another hunger mod still somewhere" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's also possible a mod may register itself with some helper/library mod so that that other mod persists its changes across restarts, even if the mod is absent, and mods might change the names they register under, and not necessarily provide a migration path either. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It could be another hunger mod (e.g. maybe you had one in shared mods and another in world mods) or it could be a HUD library, or some multi-library that includes HUD stuff, somewhere. |
| 15:11 |
DivideByZero |
Warrior: That sounds like it answers my question if upgrading a mod could have caused it to be stuck as so. |
| 15:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The engine does not persist HUDs, only mods can do it. However, which mod is actually doing it is not enforced by the engine. |
| 15:12 |
DivideByZero |
Do you have any suggestions for manual cleanup? What file to look for? |
| 15:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> my guess would be that HUDs would be stored in either mod or player metadata. |
| 15:13 |
DivideByZero |
and where do I find those files? |
| 15:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Player metadata is inside the player database, mod metadata is either in mod_storage inside the world, or in custom files somewhere in the world dir. |
| 15:13 |
DivideByZero |
ok, I'll poke around and have a look. Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Basically it's all in the world dir somewhere but hopefully you shouldn't have to pick apart map.sqlite or anything, and that should significantly reduce the number of total bytes you have to scan through, at least. |
| 15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Wherever you find it, it MAY be intertwined with other data you DO want to keep, so be careful. |
| 15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you plan to try to make any modifications by hand to clean anything up, always remember to take a backup snapshot of your world first! |
| 15:15 |
DivideByZero |
I don't see it in players.sqlite, I see hp and breath, but nothing about hunger there. |
| 15:15 |
DivideByZero |
Neither 'satiation' |
| 15:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> player_metadata is the most likely table I'd look in, within the player database. |
| 15:17 |
DivideByZero |
if that's not players.sqlite, which name is the file I'm looking for? |
| 15:18 |
DivideByZero |
and no files in mod_storage seem hunger related either. |
| 15:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you aren't necessarily looking for hunger either, could be anything HUD-related |
| 15:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> or anything mentioning bread, based on the texture... |
| 15:19 |
DivideByZero |
Nothing HUD related in mod_storage files there are: advmarkers, awards, ban_hacker, draconis, goblins, moon_phases, rhotator, servercleaner, skinsdb |
| 15:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If this doesn't pan out, then I guess you'd be back to bisecting your mods until you figure out which one you can enable/disable to affect the HUD, and then diving into that mod to understand how it's recreating that HUD each time. |
| 15:22 |
DivideByZero |
and in the world folder is: areas.dat, auth.sqlite, bed_spawns, env_meta.txt, force_loaded.txt, hotbar_settings (nothing in there except size of hotbar), ipban.txt, luaentities, map_meta.txt, map.sqlite, mesecon_actionqueue, news.txt, players.sqlite, teleport_tubes, unified_inventory_home.home (leftover from unified inventory before I switched to sf_inv, but only a home pos is in there), world.mt, xban.db |
| 15:24 |
DivideByZero |
I've checked all these files. |
| 15:24 |
DivideByZero |
Unless there are files somewhere else I need to check, it's not in there. |
| 15:24 |
DivideByZero |
Do files get placed in other folders? Using Linux. |
| 15:25 |
sfan5 |
here's a suggestion: create a new world, join and see if there's bread |
| 15:27 |
DivideByZero |
no breads there. |
| 15:28 |
DivideByZero |
I'm hoping to not have to delete my main world though. Stuff has been built, and other people of the public have played. |
| 15:28 |
sfan5 |
you certainly won't |
| 15:28 |
DivideByZero |
I guess I'll do your suggestion and start disabling mods. |
| 15:28 |
DivideByZero |
It will take me awhile, but I'll report back when I've finished. Thank you all for the suggestions. |
| 15:29 |
DivideByZero |
I'll keep my eye open in here too in case anyone thinks of any other suggestions. |
| 15:30 |
DivideByZero |
I have 326 mods installed, sounds like a lot, but before I tried upgrading they all worked together. |
| 15:31 |
DivideByZero |
It would be a nice feature request if more mods could be built into the main game, then less stuff would need to be added second party. |
| 15:32 |
DivideByZero |
A question before I start disabling mods: Can removing mods mess up my world? Are there important mods I should not disable? |
| 15:33 |
DivideByZero |
Disabling fences removed all fences in my world. Will it come back? Or all fences need to be created afterwards? |
| 15:33 |
DivideByZero |
removed *some* fences. |
| 15:33 |
sfan5 |
if you're concerned about that you should make a backup first anyway |
| 15:34 |
DivideByZero |
OK, good call. |
| 15:34 |
sfan5 |
also no, nodes will turn into unknown nodes (do NOT try to interact with them) but will turn back when you enable the mod again |
| 15:34 |
DivideByZero |
Good to know. Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge. |
| 15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Frankly, I'd always be worried that changing something would mess up my world... |
| 15:37 |
DivideByZero |
Warrior: I didn't think the world was that fragile. I'll have to be more careful upgrading mods in the future. |
| 15:38 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> How fragile a world is depends very much on how fragile the mods are that you have enabled in the world, and that's not something we can provide any guarantees about. |
| 15:38 |
DivideByZero |
Many mods seem to put their info in their own files (which I like much better) rather than appending to a world file. |
| 15:39 |
DivideByZero |
Perhaps that should be a general requirement for mod makers. |
| 15:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Mod authors should ensure it's safe to upgrade their mods, but I just can't promise that they all will. If you find one that isn't, though, IMO you should report it to the mod author as a bug. |
| 15:40 |
DivideByZero |
I will do that certainly, once I am sure which mod caused the issue. |
| 15:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's not that upgrade safety isn't a general "requirement" already, it's just that it's not generally enforceable. |
| 15:41 |
DivideByZero |
If it's on github, because I can't get my gitlab account to authorize, they are having some email confirmation issues. If it's on gitlab perhaps someone with a working account can report it if I provide them the info. |
| 15:41 |
DivideByZero |
for the requirement I meant: making the mod put info in only its own files, not any world files from the base game. |
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DivideByZero |
I disabled all the mods, and breads are now gone from the screen. |
| 15:56 |
DivideByZero |
Now I'll have to enable them one at a time and see if the breads come back or stay gone. |
| 15:57 |
DivideByZero |
I may have to do this in the other direction (removing mods one at a time) to figure which mod was the culprit if the breads don't return. |
| 15:57 |
DivideByZero |
Second thought, maybe I'll do it in that order in the first place, so I don't have to do this a second time. :D |
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VanessaE |
Krock: new commits for you to lose your mind over ;) |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
oh no |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
I swear, by the time I'm done I'll have rewritten 90% of this mod :) |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
and that's for good |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
certain places look so horrible |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
well I hope the code is less horrible now. :) |
| 16:06 |
Krock |
I actually have this on my ToDo but never found the motivation to actually begin with it |
| 16:06 |
Krock |
also the open PRs would first need to be rejected/postponed in order to do it properly |
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VanessaE |
well as I've gone through it, the only truly egregious part, to my mind, is where the crafting guide is drawn, and in particular how the mod decides how big to make the buttons/grid (it supports 4x4 and 5x5 recipes and amazingly it still displays fine) |
| 16:11 |
Krock |
it looks so much cleaner now <3 |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
heheh |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
RBA, may he rest in peace, was not one for clean code I suppose. For that matter, it wasn't exactly top of my list when I added the "lite" mode :) |
| 16:13 |
Krock |
it did work tho |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
incidentally, I think there are enough positional variables and general flexibility that I could make the bags and waypoints work in lite mode also. The only downside to that would be that there's only room for two rows of main buttons, and adding those two would leave only enough room for three more in the second row, or in Dreambuilder, just one more. |
| 16:18 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: should "min_minetest_version" be used in mod.conf to assist contentdb or is it a no-go? |
| 16:19 |
rubenwardy |
yes, it should be for reliability |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
it already is. |
| 16:19 |
MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Protect dropping from far node inventories 176f586 https://git.io/Jqkg6 (2021-03-07T16:18:02Z) |
| 16:19 |
MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Protect per-player detached inventory actions fc86402 https://git.io/Jqkgi (2021-03-07T16:18:02Z) |
| 16:19 |
Krock |
thanks |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
of course I could just shrink the buttons and make room for three rows, but that wouldn't coordinate well with the item buttons above them |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
documented here: https://content.minetest.net/help/package_config/ |
| 16:20 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: good to know. I observed this a few times already but wasn't sure whether it's okay to add it |
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VanessaE |
ok here's one that'll bake your noodle.. would it be practical to 9-slice the single inventory slot image, and then tile the result to create a full 8x4 slot inv image? |
| 16:28 |
Krock |
would at least be way more reliable than an image |
| 16:28 |
Krock |
but the formspec data would become kinda long. perhaps 50 characters per inventory slot |
| 16:28 |
VanessaE |
hm, there isn't a proper image9[] element. |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
(background*[] is not appropriate to use on top of another background*[] imho) |
| 16:29 |
Krock |
hmm |
| 16:30 |
Krock |
styling buttons is possible, but I've indeed not seen a 9-sliced background image used like that |
| 16:30 |
VanessaE |
background9[X,Y;1,1;ui_single_slot.png;16] 43 chars. :) |
| 16:30 |
Krock |
X and Y may be 2 digits but yes, my guess was pretty close |
| 16:30 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
UI used to have a number of background[] elements scattered around, being used improperly where image[] should have been used, but that's just my opinion. |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
(I fixed them all in the initial v4 rewrite) |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
backgrounds can go on backgrounds |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
I know. |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
the only difference is 1) backgrounds can auto scale to formspec size and 2) backgrounds render before everything else |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
whereas from FSv3, elements render in order |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
but it's still "wrong" :) |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
it's not necessarily wrong if it's background behind an element |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
btw, I didn't notice (because my eyes suck), but does 9-slicing display the split up tiles at the user's display resolution, or are they scaled first by e.g. their local gui scaling? |
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DivideByZero |
seems restoring my backup from zip file has made things worse, I can't load the world at all now with error: A fatal error occurred: Couldn't save env meta |
| 16:41 |
VanessaE |
Krock: naturally I'd make a helper function that'd take coordinates and total size and return a string ready to display, so from a coding standpoint it would be super easy to use. besides, however ig a formspec string gets shouldn't matter. it's only a few kb of text, it should not be slow to iterate through :) |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
but if the displayed images wouldn't be at the user's native display resolution, then it would be pointless. |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
(mainly I'd do this because MT uses nearest neighbor scaling instead of something nice like lanczos or even just cubic :) |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
) |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
though building it up from the single slot image would also mean I'd only need that one image (plus the arrow image for the crafting grid) |
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VanessaE |
Krock: because I'm an idiot, could you re-propose your table.copy() suggestion, but test it this time? ;) |
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VanessaE |
(I prefer to credit/blame as appropriate, even if it's just one line ;) ) |
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DivideByZero |
I finally solved this issue: "A fatal error occurred: Couldn't save env meta", seems that restoring from backup messed up all the file ownership. which needed to be 'sudo chown -R Debian-minetest:games', even though previously they were root:root. |
| 17:53 |
DivideByZero |
Now I'm back to working on my original issue about the breads. |
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DivideByZero |
I found the mod that was causing the breads icon issue, it was Tenplus1's stamina mod. And after reading through it more carefully it does show the bread icons, so it's not a bug but a feature. Nothing to report to mod creator. |
| 18:03 |
DivideByZero |
I previously had thought stamina only added stamina to the game not hunger stuff as well. |
| 18:04 |
DivideByZero |
I learned a lot during this process, and I'm happy to have my server back in working condition. |
| 18:05 |
DivideByZero |
Thank you to everyone who offered suggestions and support. |
| 18:05 |
* VanessaE |
shakes Krock vigorously |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
DivideByZero: you're welcome, not that I did anything :) |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
VanessaE: can you please calm down? u_i won't run away and I'm busy playing uno |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
priorities c'mon |
| 18:08 |
DivideByZero |
VanessaE: Even if you didn't help me, thank you anyways for all the great work you've done for the Minetest community. :D |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
Krock: heh ok :) |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
Krock: try Skip-Bo some time. I always had fun playing that growing up, though I don't remember how now :) |
| 18:13 |
DivideByZero |
Debian only offers Minetest 0.4.17, and 5.3.0 with backports. Seems they won't have minetest-server 5.* for awhile. Is there a way to upgrade my server with git to a newer version on Debian? And will building it myself still give the ability to start with systemctl service? |
| 18:13 |
Krock |
VanessaE: I wish that were easy to implement in a text bot :( |
| 18:13 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
DivideByZero: so don't run stale. run sid. :) |
| 18:14 |
DivideByZero |
what's 'sid' ? |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
deb's 'unstable' branch |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
named for the kid in Toy Story, natch |
| 18:14 |
DivideByZero |
What version does that offer? |
| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
you know, I didn't actually look... |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
but you can just roll your own, too |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
I do, on Deb testing |
| 18:15 |
Taserface |
dividebyzero: using a snap is an option |
| 18:15 |
DivideByZero |
I used to think Deb was good for being stable, but sometimes it's not even that stable, and it's always way out of date. Unfortunately that pc that runs my server is only 32bit and I can't get Manjaro on it. |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
out of date hence, "stale" :) |
| 18:16 |
DivideByZero |
How would I go about 'rolling my own' ? |
| 18:16 |
VanessaE |
maybe switch to a source code based distro? like -funroll-loops -ftype-r-sticker -fvelocity-stacks ;) |
| 18:16 |
DivideByZero |
And will upgrading the server version mess up my world? |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
follow the build instructions in the readme, and no. worlds are always backward compatible, though I can't speak for the behavior of the mods you use. |
| 18:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you most likely will have to upgrade mods if going from 0.4x to 5x |
| 18:17 |
DivideByZero |
Debian sid only offers: minetest (5.3.0+repack-2) |
| 18:17 |
VanessaE |
oh wait, I forgot -fracing-stripes :) |
| 18:18 |
VanessaE |
(obviously I'm referring to Gentoo) |
| 18:18 |
DivideByZero |
Well the reason I wanted to upgrade was because I updated all my mods, and now some are too new to work on the 5.3.0 server. |
| 18:19 |
DivideByZero |
So I was thinking if everything was up to date it should all work? or mostly at least. :P |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
it will. |
| 18:19 |
DivideByZero |
I updated a few of your mods, and they won't work anymore with 5.3.0 |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
I have 5.4.0 and all mods are up-to-date as of a week ago or so, plus I run a bunch of servers on it/them. |
| 18:19 |
DivideByZero |
If I remember correctly they need version 4.* |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 18:19 |
DivideByZero |
5.* ? |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
none of my mods require 0.4.x |
| 18:20 |
DivideByZero |
sorry I meant 5.4.* |
| 18:20 |
DivideByZero |
But I see the newest is 5.5.0 |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
the newest is 5.4.0 |
| 18:20 |
DivideByZero |
I have 5.5.0-dev**** on this PC, but I built it from github. |
| 18:20 |
VanessaE |
"5.5.0" would just be the development code. |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
5.5.0-dev is a development version prior to 5.5.0 stable |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
it's still essentially 5.4.0 right now |
| 18:21 |
VanessaE |
given how new that release is |
| 18:21 |
DivideByZero |
yes, I have the 5.5.0-dev on this computer for the client. |
| 18:21 |
DivideByZero |
It may be newer than I need, but I also kept the 5.3.0 version too. |
| 18:21 |
DivideByZero |
But the server 5.3.0 needs to be updated for the new mods. |
| 18:22 |
DivideByZero |
I run the dedicated server 'minetest-server' not the client server. |
| 18:23 |
DivideByZero |
is there a github repository for the 'minetest-server' vs 'minetest'. |
| 18:24 |
DivideByZero |
I googled it but couldn't find it. |
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numzero |
no, both minetest and minetestserver are built from the same repository |
| 18:26 |
numzero |
there are cmake flags: BUILD_CLIENT and BUILD_SERVER |
| 18:26 |
DivideByZero |
Oh, because on debian it is two seperate installs. |
| 18:27 |
numzero |
splitting packages is common on Debian |
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DivideByZero |
Well that solves some confusion. |
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DivideByZero |
So how would I specify to make the inetest-server? cmake . ? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> IIRC: cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1 |
| 18:30 |
DivideByZero |
Is there directions for this somewhere I can read through? Vanessa mentioned that. |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> http://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 18:31 |
DivideByZero |
Oh right on the main github page, ok. |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> It's in the readme there |
| 18:31 |
DivideByZero |
thank you. |
| 18:33 |
DivideByZero |
"You can build a bare server by specifying -DBUILD_SERVER=TRUE." |
| 18:33 |
VanessaE |
1 or TRUE, both usually work. |
| 18:34 |
DivideByZero |
That must be the command I was looking for? |
| 18:34 |
DivideByZero |
ok. |
| 18:34 |
DivideByZero |
Will this give the dev version or the 5.4.0 ? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> From the master branch it should give the dev version (afaik) |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
if you just clone as the readme says, you'll get 5.5.0-dev |
| 18:37 |
DivideByZero |
Is that what I should go for, or should I get the 5.4.0-stable? What version do you run Vanessa? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I think the stable version is on stable-5 |
| 18:38 |
VanessaE |
I have 5.4.0-release on both my PC and my public servers |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
(which is to say, I git pulled the sources, reset to the commit where 5.4.0 was tagged, then built.) |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you're looking to play, I'd always try to use the latest stable release. If you're looking to mod, you might want the latest dev snapshot ... or both, really. |
| 18:39 |
DivideByZero |
I'm looking to play mostly, have only done minimal mod stuff so far. |
| 18:39 |
DivideByZero |
And I want others to be able to play on my server too. |
| 18:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> 5.x versions have pretty broad compatibility in general |
| 18:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> whether other people can join using 5.x versions or not would have more to do with the mods you choose |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
as a rule, if it ran under say, 0.4.15 or so, it'll run on everything newer |
| 18:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> usually I think people can still technically join, but some aspects of what the mods do may appear broken for players on versions too old. |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
but the reverse naturally isn'tso. |
| 18:41 |
DivideByZero |
So if I want the 5.4.0 can I get that with 'git' command? |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
DivideByZero: yes |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
clone or pull, then `git reset --hard f3e51dc` |
| 18:41 |
DivideByZero |
I never ran the 0.4.17 server, I've only made this server a couple months ago. So I started off with 5.3.0 |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
or I think you can use the tag instead of the commit |
| 18:42 |
DivideByZero |
so clone it like normal, then run `git reset --hard f3e51dc`, then make it? |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
that commit is when 5.4.0 was tagged as stable |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
couple weeks ago) |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
though usually you can just pull right up to HEAD and it'll probably work fine |
| 18:43 |
DivideByZero |
I should uninstall the 5.3.0 server first? Or it won't matter? |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
you should uninstall it since it came from Debian |
| 18:44 |
DivideByZero |
ok. |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
don't wanna cause confusion |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
fwiw, I build mine as run-in-place |
| 18:44 |
DivideByZero |
and the new version should work with the systemctl like the current one does? |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
so if I wanted, I could install whatever Debian offers, as an alternate |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
idk about systemctl |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
like I said I use run-in-place, which by definition wouldn't use that feature even if it can. |
| 18:45 |
DivideByZero |
How do you keep your servers auto starting and restarting? |
| 18:46 |
VanessaE |
I use a simple script which, at the bottom of it all, isn't much more than #!/bin/bash <do setup stuff> while true; do minetestserver <lots of params> ; sleep 30; done |
| 18:46 |
DivideByZero |
ok. |
| 18:47 |
DivideByZero |
And now I can thank you for helping me too, since you have now. :D Thank you! |
| 18:47 |
* VanessaE |
throws down a "Wild, Draw Four" card in front of Krock ;) |
| 18:47 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 18:48 |
VanessaE |
I said nothing that you couldn't find in the readme or on superuser or stackoverflow ;) |
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DivideByZero |
Vanessa: you were still helpful to me, and I appreciate that. |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
I try :) |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
good luck |
| 18:56 |
DivideByZero |
Thanks for wishing me luck too, I may need it. :D |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> we playing UNO |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: well Krock may be, but I'm just trolling him ;) |
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Panquesito7 |
Did someone ping me? :P |
| 19:09 |
DivideByZero |
for the cmake command, can I do this: 'cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE -DBUILD_SERVER=TRUE' or does this need to be 2 separate commands like 'cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE' & then 'cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=TRUE' |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
one command. |
| 19:09 |
DivideByZero |
ok :) |
| 19:13 |
DivideByZero |
Oh no, i got errors in cmake |
| 19:13 |
DivideByZero |
I think I am missing dependancies. |
| 19:14 |
DivideByZero |
dependencies |
| 19:18 |
DivideByZero |
I thought the dependencies would be fulfilled since I just had the server installed. |
| 19:19 |
DivideByZero |
I can't find irrlicht in Debian to install it. |
| 19:20 |
DivideByZero |
Oh I found it's called "libirrlicht-dev" |
| 19:21 |
DivideByZero |
this should be all I need: 'sudo apt install g++ make libc6-dev libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng-dev libjpeg-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev libgmp-dev libjsoncpp-dev' |
| 19:28 |
DivideByZero |
how important is GettextLib ? |
| 19:29 |
DivideByZero |
It says not found, but the make seemed successful. |
| 19:30 |
DivideByZero |
cmake seemed successful I meant. |
| 19:31 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Afaik gettext is only used for translations. Not sure if it's for server- or client-side though |
| 19:31 |
DivideByZero |
I'm building the server from github |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
you dont need gettext then |
| 19:32 |
DivideByZero |
thanks |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
and you don't need any of libpng-dev libjpeg-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libfreetype6-dev either |
| 19:33 |
DivideByZero |
Already installed those though, no harm right? |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
doesn't hurt |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
it's just not needed |
| 19:35 |
DivideByZero |
ok, only wasted 40 mbs, i can live with that, or remove them after I get the server running. |
| 19:36 |
DivideByZero |
it's making, takes awhile on the old server pc. I heard the fan kick in to overdrive to cool it down. :P |
| 19:38 |
DivideByZero |
29%, I'm going to exit for a quick break while it's doing it's thing. |
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DivideByZero |
100% |
| 20:06 |
[Pokey] |
Hey, looked around online a little and can't find what I'm looking for. I have a 5 button mouse, is it possible to reconfigure my controls to allow me to use a non standard mouse button? (or any button at all, I can't find how to reconfigure mouse controls) |
| 20:10 |
DivideByZero |
it built but it's missing the 'minetest' game, only got devtest. How do I fix that? |
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sfan5 |
cd games && git clone https://github.com/games/minetest_game -b stable-5 |
| 20:14 |
DivideByZero |
thanks sfan. |
| 20:18 |
DivideByZero |
says repository not found. |
| 20:18 |
DivideByZero |
visiting the page shows a 404 error too. |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
/games/ ?? |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
cd games && git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git -b stable-5 |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
ftfy |
| 20:19 |
DivideByZero |
and why's it asking for my github username & password? it hasn;t done that before. |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
because it might be a hidden repository |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
and you can only know that by logging in to check whether you could have access |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
but it's in fact just missing |
| 20:20 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I don't think minetest/minetest_game is public |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
wat |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/ |
| 20:21 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Typo: I meant it is public |
| 20:21 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> As in you should not need a GH account to access it |
| 20:22 |
DivideByZero |
I'm getting errors still |
| 20:24 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> How about posting the error message? Maybe it was just a typo or something like that |
| 20:25 |
DivideByZero |
fatal: repository 'https://github.com/games/minetest_game.git/ |
| 20:26 |
DivideByZero |
fatal: repository 'https://github.com/games/minetest_game.git/' not found |
| 20:26 |
DivideByZero |
Not sure why it has the slash at the end, I didn't put it there when I typed it in. |
| 20:26 |
Krock |
DivideByZero: replace "games" with "minetest" |
| 20:26 |
DivideByZero |
Have re-tried several times |
| 20:26 |
DivideByZero |
ok I'll try that |
| 20:27 |
DivideByZero |
yeah that's working and didn't ask me for account or password either. |
| 20:28 |
Krock |
good |
| 20:29 |
DivideByZero |
ok it loaded, now I have to spend some time setting it up. It didn't pick up my previous settings apparently. |
| 20:29 |
DivideByZero |
Thanks for the support. |
| 20:29 |
Krock |
!next |
| 20:29 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 20:31 |
DivideByZero |
I might have more questions before I'm done. :P Hopefully not many though. You've all been very kind and helpful though. |
| 20:31 |
sfan5 |
yeah sorry I typed that wrong earlier |
| 20:31 |
DivideByZero |
no problem sfan5. Thanks still. |
| 20:49 |
DivideByZero |
my minetest.conf used to be in '/etc/minetest' when i used the debian installed server, but now that I built the server from github do the files need to go to a new place? It doesn't seem to find my conf file anymore |
| 20:50 |
Krock |
should be in ~/.minetest |
| 20:50 |
DivideByZero |
in my home folder instead? |
| 20:51 |
Krock |
yes. system files should be static |
| 20:51 |
Krock |
minetest will check that directory for mods, texture packs and such |
| 20:52 |
Krock |
btw also documented somewhere in git, and on wiki.minetest.net |
| 20:52 |
DivideByZero |
and my mods used to be in /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods |
| 20:56 |
Krock |
weird structure but might work |
| 20:56 |
DivideByZero |
it doesn't work anymore now that I built from github |
| 20:56 |
DivideByZero |
trying to figure out the new structure it wasnts. |
| 20:57 |
DivideByZero |
Debian just did things weird before I guess. |
| 20:58 |
DivideByZero |
even the log file isn't where it used to be in /var/log/minetest |
| 20:58 |
Krock |
everything should be in the home directory |
| 20:59 |
DivideByZero |
This is for the minetestserver build, not the client. Your directions still good? |
| 21:00 |
Krock |
yes. client and server share the same code |
| 21:00 |
DivideByZero |
ok |
| 21:00 |
Krock |
in fact, the client build requires a server to even start a singleplayer game |
| 21:00 |
DivideByZero |
I'll try moving my stuff to the new location. |
| 21:00 |
Krock |
or symlink |
| 21:01 |
DivideByZero |
I didn't build the client, just the server. The client is still the outdated 5.3.0 |
| 21:01 |
DivideByZero |
But i never use the client from the server computer anyways, I do that from another pc |
| 21:02 |
DivideByZero |
I rather move them than symlink, because the old way was a pain in the butt, because the directorys were locked with permissions and I had to sudo to even save a file when I made changes, in my home directory I won't have to do that anymore. |
| 21:02 |
DivideByZero |
But I'm also wondering if this server is still going to use the Debian-minetest user, or if its going to run off my privledged user. |
| 21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> It depends on the user you run the server as |
| 21:04 |
DivideByZero |
yeah I installed it under my name, so it's going to use that right? |
| 21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I will try to explain it then: |
| 21:05 |
DivideByZero |
If debian would just bother to get closer to up to date, I wouldn't have this hassle. |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> If you run the server with ./bin/minetestserver or something like that then you are running the server using the same user you run the shell as |
| 21:06 |
DivideByZero |
i tried running it like i did the old debian package, with: |
| 21:07 |
DivideByZero |
'sudo systemctl start minetest-server' |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> The systemd service in Debian uses (afaik) a special user for the MT server |
| 21:07 |
DivideByZero |
But I'm not certain that's working. |
| 21:07 |
DivideByZero |
says active (exited) |
| 21:08 |
DivideByZero |
Vanessa had mentioned to me she was not sure if it would work with systemctl or not. |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Afaik you probably need to look into the systemd service file and see if the path to minetestserver in that file corresponds to the path to the MT server binary you built |
| 21:09 |
DivideByZero |
I went to look at that file and it disapeared. |
| 21:09 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> ... because you uninstalled the MT server with apt? |
| 21:09 |
DivideByZero |
yet it still let's me run the command |
| 21:09 |
DivideByZero |
yes uninstalled the Debian package, and then built from github |
| 21:10 |
DivideByZero |
because Debian only has 0.4.17 on main branch, and even with backports only offers 5.3.0 which I was previously using/ |
| 21:10 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I'm not sure. It could be that the MT server was still running when you uninstalled it |
| 21:11 |
DivideByZero |
no i was sure to stop it first |
| 21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Then I can't tell what happened. Which "that file" did you want to look at? |
| 21:12 |
DivideByZero |
minetest-server.service |
| 21:14 |
DivideByZero |
Does anyone know for sure or not if the build from github supports systemctl? Otherwise that may be a moot point. |
| 21:16 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I think it does not really depend on the build itself. It should work if you provide a service file |
| 21:16 |
DivideByZero |
the debian built created one for me. So now I'll have to create my own I guess.. |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> You can modify it from the file provied by Debian |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> https://salsa.debian.org/games-team/minetest/-/blob/buster-backports/debian/minetest-server.service |
| 21:18 |
DivideByZero |
But i think I may have to re do all this, because since I installed it under my main user name it's going to try to run from that username, whereas it used to run as Debian-minetest user which is an unprivleged user. |
| 21:19 |
DivideByZero |
Thanks. that link will be very helpful, so I don't have to create it from scratch. |
| 21:20 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> You can just build MT server using an unprivileged user and use the same user to run the server |
| 21:21 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Also the user who builds the binary is not necessarily related to the user who runs the binary |
| 21:22 |
DivideByZero |
even if it's in my home dir? |
| 21:22 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Depends on whether other users can access your home dir (and write to it) |
| 21:22 |
DivideByZero |
i built with the flag -DRUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE |
| 21:23 |
DivideByZero |
so it would install globally, but it seems to have still installed to my home folder |
| 21:23 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I said the access to the directory and the related files, not the build options |
| 21:24 |
DivideByZero |
yes I was not replying to your statement, just giving more info. |
| 21:24 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I'm not sure how that's related at all |
| 21:24 |
DivideByZero |
so that it could be ran by other users, not just me.. if that makes more sense? |
| 21:24 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> If you don't install it, then the built files stay inside the bin/ directory afaik |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> It depends on whether they have access to the directory and the files related to the MT server |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Look up "Unix file permission" about that topic |
| 21:26 |
DivideByZero |
my home folder is provate so they won't have access to it. |
| 21:26 |
DivideByZero |
private |
| 21:26 |
DivideByZero |
I'm going to have to start over doing this on a unprivledge account it seems. |
| 21:27 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Then you might want to copy the files to somewhere that the said user running the server as can access and write to |
| 21:27 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> And set the rwx permissions correspondingly, of course |
| 21:27 |
DivideByZero |
how do I remove it? since I built with git? Just delete the folders, or is there a command to remove it? |
| 21:28 |
DivideByZero |
i don't think git has a 'git remove' |
| 21:28 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> If you haven't yet installed the files you should be able to remove it with rm |
| 21:28 |
DivideByZero |
I did 'make' so i guess thats not installing it? |
| 21:28 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Afaik no |
| 21:29 |
DivideByZero |
I'm not even sure how I would install it afterwards. I'm new to the whole git thing. Been working with it for about 3 days only. |
| 21:29 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I don't think you have to install it at all |
| 21:30 |
DivideByZero |
not to run it as my own user, but if I want to run it as a unprivledged user installing it might make it accessible. |
| 21:30 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Like, if you only have a single user that runs the server as, then you only need to make sure the files are somewhere that the user has access to |
| 21:30 |
DivideByZero |
otherwise I need to remove it all and install as the other user |
| 21:31 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Copy the file to that unprivileged user |
| 21:31 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> cp -r |
| 21:31 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Btw git does have a remove command except it does not do what you might think it does: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-rm |
| 21:33 |
DivideByZero |
well if nothing installed to other locations, I should be ok just deleting the folder that git made then. |
| 21:33 |
DivideByZero |
~/home/<user>/minetest |
| 21:34 |
DivideByZero |
probably didn't need the ~ there. |
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| 21:36 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> It should be ~/minetest if I understand you correctly |
| 21:36 |
DivideByZero |
yes |
| 21:36 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Yes, you can |
| 21:37 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> But then you will need to rebuild the server again |
| 21:37 |
DivideByZero |
yeah |
| 21:38 |
DivideByZero |
I rather have to rebuild than run on a privledge user account though. For security. |
| 21:38 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> Looking at the changelog: https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#5.3.0_.E2.86.92_5.4.0 |
| 21:38 |
DivideByZero |
Unless as I think you were saying I can just copy everything over to the new user. |
| 21:38 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Well you could just copy that directory to that of the unprivileged user |
| 21:38 |
DivideByZero |
I'll try that first |
| 21:38 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Then you don't need to rebuild it |
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| 21:42 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Well, if you do that you might also need to change the access rights of the dest. directory |
| 21:44 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Hopefully someone else can help you out now. I need to go to bed |
| 21:49 |
DivideByZero |
thank you for you time and support. have a good night. |
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| 22:03 |
DivideByZero |
I think some of the docs have typographical errors @ https://github.com/minetest/minetest "BUILD_SERVER=FALSE - Build Minetest server" I believe the FALSE should be TRUE here. |
| 22:03 |
DivideByZero |
"RUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE - Create a portable install (worlds, settings etc. in current directory)" and the FALSE should be TRUE here as well. |
| 22:06 |
sfan5 |
why? |
| 22:06 |
DivideByZero |
because if it's FALSE you are telling it not to do that thing. |
| 22:06 |
DivideByZero |
Which contradicts what the doc is saying. |
| 22:07 |
sfan5 |
the FALSE is the default value of that setting |
| 22:07 |
DivideByZero |
but opposite to what the doc is proclaiming. |
| 22:07 |
sfan5 |
not really |
| 22:08 |
DivideByZero |
for example if you want to build the server you would use BUILD_SERVER=TRUE, and not FALSE which would not build the server. |
| 22:08 |
sfan5 |
you're supposed to read that as "BUILD_SERVER controls whether 'Build Minetest server' should be done and it's FALSE by default" |
| 22:08 |
DivideByZero |
Ok, maybe I am reading it wrong as you suggest. But it does make it more confusing that way. At least it did for me. |
| 22:09 |
DivideByZero |
But since it was already explained to me earlier, I noticed it was opposite. |
| 22:10 |
DivideByZero |
I guess if I read the "General options and their default values:" just above it it makes more sense. :D |
| 22:11 |
DivideByZero |
I did search and it scrolled past that part. My apologies, and you are correct sfan5. |
| 22:15 |
sfan5 |
oh if that's explicitly explained it's even better |
| 22:19 |
DivideByZero |
agreed. |
| 22:20 |
DivideByZero |
well I made a new unprivledged user, and I'm about to go through the proccess again. I'm gaining more experience having to do it again, so that's one positive of it. |
| 22:25 |
DivideByZero |
I'm documenting my steps as well in case I need to redo this in the future. I'm willing to share it if it could help anyone else in the coming future. |
| 22:27 |
* VanessaE |
heads off for a bit |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
Krock: I'd appreciate it if you could finish the review or at least give it a thumbs up so I can merge :) |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 22:35 |
DivideByZero |
1) $ git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github |
| 22:35 |
DivideByZero |
2) $ git reset --hard f3e51dc |
| 22:35 |
DivideByZero |
3) $ cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE -DBUILD_SERVER=TRUE -ENABLE_POSTGRESQL=OFF -ENABLE_GETTEXT=OFF -ENABLE_CURSES=OFF |
| 22:35 |
DivideByZero |
4) $ make -j$(nproc) |
| 22:36 |
DivideByZero |
5) profit |
| 22:36 |
DivideByZero |
oops.github should be .git i'll fix that typo. |
| 22:36 |
DivideByZero |
I think that's the basic jist of it though. |
| 22:37 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> the build instructions are in the readme |
| 22:37 |
DivideByZero |
listed the dependencies too. |
| 22:38 |
DivideByZero |
oneplustwo: yeah but they aren't as clear of steps as I wrote out. (even though some of this may be specific to me with the cmake options.) |
| 22:39 |
DivideByZero |
Instead of reading the entire doc each time, I can refer to my quick steps doc. |
| 22:39 |
DivideByZero |
It will be helpful to me, even if to no one else. Just thought I'd share in case it was beneficial to anyone. No problem if it's not. |
| 22:40 |
DivideByZero |
and the 5th step was just a South Park joke. |
| 22:40 |
sfan5 |
instead of that specific commit id you can also just `git checkout 5.4.0` btw |
| 22:41 |
DivideByZero |
replace 'git reset --hard f3e51dc' with 'git checkout 5.4.0' ? |
| 22:41 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 22:41 |
DivideByZero |
Ok I'll try that, it's more clear what I'm getting with your suggestion. |
| 22:42 |
DivideByZero |
'f3e51dc' isn't very informative. |
| 22:47 |
DivideByZero |
it gave me "f3e51dca1" with an additional 'a1' after the id. It's the same though? |
| 22:47 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 22:48 |
DivideByZero |
I'm just asking this for curiousity as it's not important to the task at hand, but does that last a1 mean something if you know? |
| 22:48 |
sfan5 |
the full one is f3e51dca155ce1d1062a339cf925f41d7c751df8 actually |
| 22:48 |
DivideByZero |
ooh |
| 22:49 |
DivideByZero |
glad I didn't have to type that out. :) |
| 22:49 |
sfan5 |
you can truncate it down to a reasonable length and git will get what you mean anyway |
| 22:49 |
DivideByZero |
Very good explaination. Thanks. |
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