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SaveSaveSave |
So I want to help minetest development, so 5.4.0 can be considered stable sooner - is there a list somewhere with show-stoppers? |
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SaveSaveSave |
I saw https://github.com/minetest/minetest/projects but that seems more like general feature tracking |
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sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/milestone/17 |
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nly |
can i run server without gui? |
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deltanedas[m] |
yes |
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heavygale |
yes |
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nly |
nice |
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Wuzzy |
an user just complained of possible vandalism in the Chinese translations: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=390532 |
| 12:33 |
Wuzzy |
claims that Weblate user TPImage is doing damage to the Chinese translation. What to do? |
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rubenwardy |
Weblate has no ban feature |
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Wuzzy |
WTF |
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rubenwardy |
Only thing that can be done is to keep reverting commits |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> is it possible to move out of weblate? |
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Wuzzy |
rubenwardy: when you are in the project settings tab, is there a button named "Access"? |
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sfan5 |
there is not |
| 13:06 |
sfan5 |
oh there is actually but we cannot change it |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> only c55 can? |
| 13:06 |
sfan5 |
no "You do not have permission to change project access control. Check your billing status" |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> ah |
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sfan5 |
even if we could, we do not want to lock out contributors for all languages |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> nothing like a commercial product |
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sfan5 |
as a F(L)OSS project weblate hosting is being provided to us for free |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> but in a nuked manner (is it not)? |
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Wuzzy |
can anyone verify the claims of vandalism? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=390532 |
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Wuzzy |
or at least, the claims of "damage" to the translation |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> i speak no chinese, sorry |
| 13:13 |
sfan5 |
since that is the same user who spam-created hundreds of languages inside the weblate project (weblate had to delete them for us later) I briefly looked into the changes and found no obvious vandalism |
| 13:14 |
sfan5 |
if look at https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/zh_Hant/#history you can easily see the changes he's referring to |
| 13:16 |
Wuzzy |
oh, this user is known to do "funny" things? ugh |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> i have requested a person i know who is native to have a look, here goes nothing |
| 13:17 |
sfan5 |
looking at the translation for "Julia y", neither the new (人體藝術) nor the old one (嫩穴) make any sense when I look them up |
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sfan5 |
and by the way, here are existing imported changes from that user https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits?author=Pantyhose-X |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Not having a basic ban/block feature on such a big platform is kinda backwards if you ask me...and in case you have to pay for that feature I would even call it a scam |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> "big platform" != free i.e. why would you expect a big platform to NOT make you pay for a key feature? |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> For basic features I see this as very backwards still...I wouldn't call blocking users a premium one |
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rubenwardy |
They don't have that feature at all |
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rubenwardy |
It's not paid for |
| 16:37 |
rubenwardy |
What you can do is make projects invite only, we can't do that only because we don't have admin access to it |
| 16:38 |
rubenwardy |
We could email support for that |
| 16:38 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/3040 |
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Fleckenstein |
Is it possible to change the hand tool capabilities of a connected player? |
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rubenwardy |
Yes, you can use meta or replace the hand item |
| 16:46 |
rubenwardy |
See the hand list |
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Fleckenstein |
its about the tool capabilities |
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Fleckenstein |
the hand list has only visual effects |
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rubenwardy |
It should be used to get tool caps |
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Fleckenstein |
it does not |
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Fleckenstein |
to change the toolcaps of the hand usually the ':' item is overwritten |
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rubenwardy |
There's a bug here then |
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Zughy[m] |
is there a way to trim a texture with a modifier, e.g. obtaining just the head of the default character.png texture? |
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Fleckenstein |
i think [sheet can be used for that but not sure |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
[sheet or [combine (on a dummy background) |
| 17:17 |
Krock |
nvm. [combine does not crop |
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Zughy[m] |
...huh, weird name, it's not even a verb. Crop or trim would have made more sense |
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Krock |
that happens when non-native English speakers design something |
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sfan5 |
combine isn't a word? |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
(sheet isn't a verb) |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
but like half of the modifiers aren't verbs either |
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Zughy[m] |
can I open an issue asking for a refactor without losing compatibility? |
| 18:10 |
Krock |
Zughy[m]: you can but I doubt anyone would care about naming as long it works |
| 18:10 |
Krock |
also compat has to be ensured anyway for this kind of API |
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rubenwardy |
Sheet will have come from sprite sheet |
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Gustavo6046 |
Are object velocity and acceleration serialized? Or do I need to manually write code to save it in get_staticdata and load it in on_activate? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
they're serialized |
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Gustavo6046 |
Ah, okay |
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Gustavo6046 |
Whew, thanks! |
| 20:40 |
Gustavo6046 |
Krock: little did I know the rabbit hole I was getting myself into, heh. https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/builtin_item/pulls/3 |
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Krock |
Gustavo6046: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/server/luaentity_sao.cpp#L271-L301 |
| 20:40 |
Gustavo6046 |
And I'm glad I did! |
| 20:40 |
Krock |
what |
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Gustavo6046 |
Wait whoa |
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Gustavo6046 |
lol |
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Krock |
dude what just happened |
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Gustavo6046 |
almost the same time :o |
| 20:40 |
Gustavo6046 |
yeah what |
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Gustavo6046 |
like |
| 20:41 |
Gustavo6046 |
lol |
| 20:41 |
Gustavo6046 |
not the first time I've experienced weird coincidences like that on IRC :p |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
80 commits. not bad lol |
| 20:42 |
Gustavo6046 |
oh |
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Gustavo6046 |
Heh, I suppose. There were some slightly headachy moments, but I still got it to work in the end. |
| 20:42 |
Gustavo6046 |
Debugging Lua isn't always easy :p |
| 20:43 |
Krock |
seems to me that the builtin code helped quite a lot there |
| 20:43 |
Gustavo6046 |
Krock: the ground check one? |
| 20:43 |
Gustavo6046 |
Yeah, that's one of the many changes I did |
| 20:43 |
Gustavo6046 |
There were more issues than just that lol |
| 20:44 |
Krock |
well then. congrats. |
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Krock |
I see that Tenplus1 already noticed it. good chances to get it merged |
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Gustavo6046 |
Aw, thanks! |
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Gustavo6046 |
Krock: this is the second time I submit a physics update |
| 20:46 |
Gustavo6046 |
I was originally including a code refactor as a 2nd PR, but due to merging concerns I decided to just merge both into a single PR right away. |
| 20:46 |
Gustavo6046 |
The code looks cleaner now as a result! |
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Gustavo6046 |
This made me realize how easily I can squash bugs when they occur, and narrow down the causes of symptoms in code like, in this case, the broken physics. (The last little bunch of commits was just me fixing physics and such.) |
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Gustavo6046 |
Skills I've learned with years of amateur programming, I guess having a hobby since a young age definitely pays off. |
| 20:48 |
Gustavo6046 |
Gee, I can't wait to turn 18 in May. |
| 20:49 |
Krock |
May the fourth be with you |
| 20:49 |
Gustavo6046 |
Haha! |
| 20:49 |
Gustavo6046 |
It's in the sixteenth, though! |
| 20:49 |
Krock |
gonna visit you and bring my chainsaw |
| 20:49 |
Gustavo6046 |
Sure, sure. |
| 20:49 |
Krock |
it's gonna be a funny afternoon |
| 20:49 |
Gustavo6046 |
Yeah, lots of balloons to pop with that bugger. |
| 20:50 |
Gustavo6046 |
Anyways, Krock, before both these updates, item physics were boring. Not only that, they weren't very practical; items did not conserve momentum, so all waterflow did was push them alongside the top surface of the nodes covered by flowing water. And to think original reason of all this was that water wasn't pushing items the way I wanted. |
| 20:50 |
Gustavo6046 |
Now acts behave in a very nice way, with configurable water force, water drag, ground friction, and even air drag. |
| 20:50 |
Krock |
so you need acceleration (for friction) and velocity |
| 20:51 |
Gustavo6046 |
I actually rewrote the water drag at least once to make it more realistic. |
| 20:51 |
Krock |
ah yes tht |
| 20:51 |
Gustavo6046 |
I only need acceleration, for the most part. I only set velocity directly when merging item stacks, I merge the velocities as well. |
| 20:52 |
Gustavo6046 |
Oh, the way I rewrote drag, because the one I added in the 1st PR kinda sucked, in this one the new drag is a bit more realistic, because instead of dividing velocity, I apply a force on the opposite direction of the difference between the item entity's current velocity and the velocity of flow of water. |
| 20:53 |
Gustavo6046 |
I accumulate an acceleration vector, so that most item physics are forces (i.e. acceleration, since items have no discernible mass, and F = ma), rather than modifying velocity directly. |
| 20:54 |
Gustavo6046 |
I'm already testing the new changes in mouses.xyz port 30000. That's where I usually play, mind you, but if you want to quickly see the new item physics, one quick way is to join! :) |
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MTDiscord |
<appguru> random reminder you can mostly get rid of z-fighting by adding a small random bias: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/builtin_item/pulls/5 |
| 21:37 |
Gustavo6046 |
ah, thanks! |
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MTDiscord |
<appguru> np |
| 21:38 |
MTDiscord |
<appguru> I'm LMD btw |
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Gustavo6046 |
ohh, okay |
| 21:40 |
Gustavo6046 |
10+1 must be wondering where all the sudden attention to his builtin_item came from :P |
| 21:41 |
Gustavo6046 |
Krock: while I was pushing all those commits, I imagined him pulling them and testing them and huffing and panting as he struggled to keep up with all the pushed commits XD |
| 21:43 |
Gustavo6046 |
btw @appguru the server was using my PR #3, I think your changes applied to master? |
| 21:43 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3 -- Furnace segfault |
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Gustavo6046 |
mind if I merge them or something? |
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MTDiscord |
<appguru> I don't mind |
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rubenwardy |
Wuzzy, sfan5: someone (probably sfan5?) contacted support, that user has now been banned from weblate completely |
| 22:45 |
Wuzzy |
ooff |
| 22:46 |
Wuzzy |
hopefully the translations were indeed wrong |
| 22:46 |
sfan5 |
not me |
| 22:46 |
Wuzzy |
oh. i did contact support |
| 22:47 |
Wuzzy |
important bit from the response: "I suspended the user for now. The maintainers of the project can do the Git revert to get rid of the malicious translations." |
| 22:49 |
Wuzzy |
ah, forum users just told me the person in question used a lot of sex-related language. sounds like a troll |
| 22:49 |
Wuzzy |
Crisis averted, I guess... |
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ZeroConfig |
I'm trying to use the 'CraftGuide' recommended by Ruben on the ContentDB, and it's telling me: "Your Minetest Client is outdated. Get the latest version on minetest.net to use the Crafting Guide." I checked the site and it shows the latest version is 5.3.0 which I am already using. Is this message an error or do I need some unavailable to the |
| 22:56 |
ZeroConfig |
public newer version? |
| 23:01 |
ZeroConfig |
I found the section of code responsible for the error: |
| 23:03 |
ZeroConfig |
Well apparently I can't upload the text. So instead I'll just link to the entire code: |
| 23:03 |
rubenwardy |
you need to download an older version |
| 23:03 |
ZeroConfig |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/craftguide/blob/master/init.lua [lines 175 to 187] |
| 23:03 |
rubenwardy |
the latest version of craft guide only supports 5.4.0 |
| 23:04 |
rubenwardy |
if you install through the client, it'll get the correct version |
| 23:04 |
ZeroConfig |
I'm running it on a dedicated server, how do I install those through the client? |
| 23:04 |
rubenwardy |
ah right |
| 23:05 |
rubenwardy |
try git checkout https://github.com/minetest-mods/craftguide/ -b 1.14.3 |
| 23:05 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 23:05 |
rubenwardy |
try git clone https://github.com/minetest-mods/craftguide/ -b 1.14.3 |
| 23:05 |
ZeroConfig |
ok. Should I try to get 5.4.0 client for my other pc? Although I guess that wouldn't help anyone else using the server, unless they have 5.4.0 also. |
| 23:06 |
ZeroConfig |
Will 5.4.0 be public soon? on minetest.net? |
| 23:06 |
rubenwardy |
in the next week or so |
| 23:06 |
ZeroConfig |
Ok, that will solve a lot. |
| 23:07 |
ZeroConfig |
Hopefully Archlinux will be quick to update, they don't usually take too long. |
| 23:07 |
ZeroConfig |
Is the server going to need to be 5.4.0 also, or just the clients? |
| 23:07 |
ZeroConfig |
Because my server is on Debian, and Debian takes ages to update. |
| 23:08 |
rubenwardy |
Just clients I think |
| 23:08 |
ZeroConfig |
I had to backport to even get 5.3.0 server on Debian, they were still offering a much older version. |
| 23:08 |
rubenwardy |
I also host on debian, but I build minetest myself. Because I use modifications |
| 23:09 |
rubenwardy |
jesus, still 0.4.17 |
| 23:09 |
rubenwardy |
terrible |
| 23:09 |
ZeroConfig |
Yeah. That's what I mean lol |
| 23:09 |
MTDiscord |
<srinivas> !tell sfan5 |
| 23:09 |
MTDiscord |
<srinivas> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/812823241751003216/Screenshot_from_2021-02-21_04-38-48.png |
| 23:09 |
MTDiscord |
<srinivas> the translations appear to have been vandalized |
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Zughy[m] |
HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:10 |
rubenwardy |
That person has been banned already |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> ah, pardon me, i was asleep |
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Wuzzy |
5.4.0 doe not exist. yet. |
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sfan5 |
@srinivas thanks for the info |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> np |
| 23:54 |
Gustavo6046 |
ArchLinux has 5.3.0 as latest |
| 23:54 |
Gustavo6046 |
5.4.0 is out? |
| 23:54 |
Gustavo6046 |
stable? |
| 23:54 |
Gustavo6046 |
o.o |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> afaik, no |
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Gustavo6046 |
oh ok |
| 23:55 |
Gustavo6046 |
whew |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> hehe |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> arch linux still has the latest if thats what you are asking |
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Gustavo6046 |
yeah |
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Gustavo6046 |
I know |
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Gustavo6046 |
yet mine is 5.4.0-dev-6d7067fd3 |
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Gustavo6046 |
I like custom-building my stuff idk why |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> try gentoo :p |
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Gustavo6046 |
:< |
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Gustavo6046 |
nu |
