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| 00:00 |
daiNoZord |
awf ... minimise |
| 00:00 |
* daiNoZord |
hunting food |
| 00:00 |
numzero |
hm... it seems a sort of shared tables is supported in Lanes now |
| 00:01 |
adfeno2 |
sorry, I'm out of the loop. |
| 00:02 |
numzero |
you was asking about running things in parallel in an MT mod |
| 00:03 |
numzero |
Lua Lanes allows running Lua code in parallel |
| 00:05 |
numzero |
separate threads won’t be able to access the MT environment directly but that may be fine for some use cases |
| 00:06 |
numzero |
like running a mostly self-contained thing with limited communication to the MT itself |
| 00:06 |
numzero |
are you trying to make an XMPP chat bridge? |
| 00:07 |
adfeno2 |
numzero, a chat bridge, yes. |
| 00:09 |
numzero |
so running the bridge in a separate “Lane” (thread) and passing the messages between it and MT itself via a “linda” should work |
| 00:11 |
numzero |
(never tried that myself, though) |
| 00:11 |
adfeno2 |
I hope Lane's limited ability to share tables suffices for the things I want to do (mostly maintain a list of XMPP users, a list of MT users, and a "chat message" queue, in case either side didn't catch quickly). |
| 00:12 |
adfeno2 |
I'm OK on compromising the last part (message queue) if I find it too complex to do. |
| 00:14 |
numzero |
the queue is there already IIUC |
| 00:14 |
numzero |
it’s the primary interface Lindas provide |
| 00:15 |
adfeno2 |
ah, nice. |
| 00:17 |
adfeno2 |
numzero, even if Lane doesn't work quite well, I thank you very much for pointing me a way out. |
| 00:43 |
Sven_vB |
numzero, thanks! |
| 00:44 |
Sven_vB |
adfeno2, none of my pointer devices have an Alt or F4 button |
| 00:44 |
Sven_vB |
via keyboard I could just press Escape :) |
| 00:48 |
Sven_vB |
adfeno2, the usualy not-really-a-solution for IRC's reliance on a continuous TCP connection is to set up a bouncer on some permanently-connected server, and connect the actual, roaming clients to that bouncer. |
| 00:49 |
adfeno2 |
try using Alt+SysRq+R, this as far as I know should force keyboard to work again, to some extent. |
| 00:49 |
Sven_vB |
adfeno2, why would I? when I asked specifically for pointer device possibilities, it was about usability, not desperation. :) |
| 00:50 |
Sven_vB |
more specifically, I was too lazy to adjust my keyboard multiplexer just for one keystroke. |
| 00:50 |
adfeno2 |
ah I see. |
| 00:51 |
adfeno2 |
I'll do some research on that then, |
| 00:51 |
Sven_vB |
a button separate from the "close window" decoration button would have given me better reassurance that it will quit the game cleanly. |
| 00:52 |
Sven_vB |
maybe I should feature-request it. |
| 00:58 |
adfeno2 |
Sven_vB there might be a way to control or override mouse events so long as acpi_listen finds those. withe their key codes, one can write a script associated with an event on/etc/acpi (or similar path) to do the job. |
| 01:01 |
Sven_vB |
indeed I can use xdotool to define mouse gestures for key press events. however, I think an obviously-clean-exit button should be in the game by default. |
| 01:01 |
adfeno2 |
for example, if acpi_listen understand sat least middle mouse press, one could use that to call xkill. xkill in turn will expect you to left click a window to terminate or kill it. |
| 01:02 |
Sven_vB |
maybe I should have clarified in my original question, that I was asking about MT as it's distributed, with default config. |
| 01:03 |
adfeno2 |
you want MT to Change mouse behavior or change title bar? |
| 01:03 |
Sven_vB |
probably on similar level than acpi_listen, would be xinput test 'pointer:Mouse Name here' | sed -nurf script.sed | sh |
| 01:03 |
Sven_vB |
I want MT main menu to have a "Quit" button. |
| 01:04 |
Sven_vB |
inside the window |
| 01:04 |
adfeno2 |
ah I see. |
| 01:04 |
Sven_vB |
because the window decoration's close button doesn't convey whether it will be a "clean" exit |
| 01:07 |
adfeno2 |
Sven_vB most applications nowadays all terminate with the X at the title bar. |
| 01:08 |
adfeno2 |
if you do insist on clicking it frenetically (due to some freeze) then the desktop session asks if you want to kill it instead. |
| 01:18 |
Sven_vB |
feature request for the Quit button: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10894 |
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Sven_vB |
wow. we actually had two older requests for that already. |
| 01:36 |
Sven_vB |
and they even had better excuses for why they want their game experience be easy. |
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| 01:38 |
SX |
"most applications nowadays all terminate with the X at the title bar", no they do not if you run full screen and there's no such button |
| 01:39 |
Sven_vB |
also that rebuttal is void because it misses the point |
| 01:39 |
SX |
and many prefer to actually run games full screen without window decorations |
| 01:43 |
SX |
Related not so nice thing is that minetest does not handle windowed full screen mode itself but that's another problem, with Linux if you're developer or sysadmin you will be able to change manager settings to do it. Still too hard for average user. With Windows.. well it gets messy and you need |
| 01:43 |
SX |
another application to do that for you. |
| 01:47 |
SX |
There's been requests for that too, heard some of devs saying that it is not needed because window manager should handle it. That's like building thing only for devs and other technical persons, end of rant. |
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Sven_vB_ |
SX, building for mostly devs is the default in free software. you're lucky if maintainers have non-dev friends who they'd like to use an application with. which, with a game, at least there's an increased probability. |
| 02:18 |
Sven_vB |
for all my friends that I've tried to convert from Minecraft, the small planet surface area defeats it anyway. so until I find time to expand the world (and mapgen) horizontally, I can only play with techies anyway. |
| 02:25 |
Sven_vB |
well, at least with free software we have the freedom to fix those things. :) that's a huge plus. |
| 02:27 |
DrFrankenstone |
Is there any way for a mod to make use of set_sky() without it causing clashes if any other mod on the server uses set_sky()? |
| 02:27 |
DrFrankenstone |
Like any conventions that avoid the problem if followed, or a middleman mod to go through? |
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Sven_vB |
DrFrankenstone, there are some libs that aim for multi-mod compatibility. haven't done any research though whether they deal with set_sky. |
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Sven_vB |
I wish the "Media... 0%" progress bar would update with some kind of progress indication. Thanks to --verbose I now see that it actually does lots of "VERBOSE[Main]: Client: Loaded cached media:" while the window hangs (it's not repainting itself). |
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celeron55 |
>minetest does not handle windowed full screen mode itself |
| 10:52 |
celeron55 |
just to be clear, this is a problem that comes from irrlicht |
| 10:54 |
celeron55 |
now that the plan is to fork irrlicht, fixing that should be possible |
| 11:06 |
MiniontobyPI |
Hi |
| 11:06 |
MiniontobyPI |
i need some help |
| 11:06 |
MiniontobyPI |
im making csm |
| 11:06 |
MiniontobyPI |
minetest.get_player_names() |
| 11:06 |
MiniontobyPI |
how to hanlde this ^ |
| 11:07 |
MiniontobyPI |
is it an array |
| 11:07 |
MiniontobyPI |
so |
| 11:07 |
MiniontobyPI |
for player in players do |
| 11:07 |
MiniontobyPI |
or what? |
| 11:15 |
MiniontobyPI |
may i get helP? |
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| 11:18 |
SusWombat |
Hi everyone |
| 11:19 |
MiniontobyPI |
Hi |
| 11:20 |
MiniontobyPI |
can i get some help with ´minetest.get_player_names()´ in an csm code? How to handle the output of it? |
| 11:20 |
sfan5 |
do you know how to iterate an array in Lua? |
| 11:20 |
MiniontobyPI |
for player in players do |
| 11:20 |
MiniontobyPI |
count = count + 1 |
| 11:20 |
MiniontobyPI |
end |
| 11:20 |
MiniontobyPI |
right? |
| 11:21 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 11:21 |
MiniontobyPI |
Oh |
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| 11:21 |
MiniontobyPI |
how to do it then???? |
| 11:21 |
independent56 |
the best minetest game is development test. mtg, hades, nodecore? they have nothing |
| 11:22 |
MTDiscord |
<506 independent> lol |
| 11:23 |
MiniontobyPI |
for each??? |
| 11:23 |
MiniontobyPI |
ipairs |
| 11:24 |
MiniontobyPI |
for i, name in ipairs(names) do |
| 11:24 |
MiniontobyPI |
oh |
| 11:26 |
SusWombat |
does minetest have a activ modding community? |
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| 11:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Yes |
| 11:29 |
sfan5 |
SusWombat: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=46 |
| 11:29 |
sfan5 |
looks pretty active I'd say |
| 11:33 |
MiniontobyPI |
ok, right i think that works now |
| 11:33 |
MiniontobyPI |
now the next thing |
| 11:34 |
independent56 |
the modding community is litterally buzzing. have one look, and see all the development that is going on. its extremely active. |
| 11:34 |
MiniontobyPI |
huds["localplayer"] = player:hud_change(huds["localplayer"], "text", newText) doesnt works |
| 11:34 |
independent56 |
i belive that the modding community is bigger then the core development community. |
| 11:35 |
MiniontobyPI |
bad argument #1 to 'hud_change' (number expected, got boolean) |
| 11:35 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
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MiniontobyPI |
bad argument #1 to 'hud_change' (number expected, got boolean) |
| 11:37 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 11:37 |
MiniontobyPI |
can i get help? |
| 11:37 |
MiniontobyPI |
oh |
| 11:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
bad argument #1 to 'hud_change' (number expected, got boolean) |
| 11:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 11:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
plz help |
| 11:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
huds["localplayer"] = player:hud_change(huds["localplayer"], "text", newText) doesnt works |
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| 11:43 |
rubenwardy |
don't set huds to the result of hud_change |
| 11:43 |
rubenwardy |
only hud_Add returns the ID |
| 11:44 |
MiniontobyPI |
Oh |
| 11:45 |
MiniontobyPI |
checking now |
| 11:45 |
MiniontobyPI |
... |
| 11:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
thx rubenwardy |
| 11:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
but now still me player count not works |
| 11:47 |
MiniontobyPI |
and in-game time i want to see as hr:min:sec |
| 11:53 |
MiniontobyPI |
https://pastebin.com/ZPm80ATV |
| 11:53 |
MiniontobyPI |
plz help me with the player count |
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MiniontobyPI |
https://pastebin.com/ZPm80ATV |
| 12:38 |
MiniontobyPI |
plz help me with the player count |
| 12:38 |
BuckarooBanzai |
MiniontobyPI: what are you trying to do? |
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MiniontobyPI |
its an csm |
| 12:39 |
BuckarooBanzai |
ok, whats the problem then? |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
im trying to make an in-game player counter (adn other things) hud gui thing |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
it shows 0 |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
while me |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
and my secodn account are in |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
it says nil |
| 12:39 |
MiniontobyPI |
or so |
| 12:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
let me check if it is nil |
| 12:40 |
BuckarooBanzai |
did you try with "ipairs()" |
| 12:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
yes |
| 12:40 |
BuckarooBanzai |
i think you have a list there |
| 12:40 |
rubenwardy |
local count = players and #players or 0 |
| 12:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
but at first |
| 12:40 |
rubenwardy |
you don't actually need to iterate over them, you can use # to count |
| 12:40 |
MiniontobyPI |
hmmm |
| 12:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
# |
| 12:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
ok |
| 12:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
also works for nil???? |
| 12:41 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, `players and` handles that |
| 12:41 |
rubenwardy |
you could use an ifstatement if you wanted to the same effect |
| 12:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
local count = players and #players or 0 |
| 12:41 |
MiniontobyPI |
this is the full code? |
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rubenwardy |
no, you need to get the players and definee the function |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
function countPlayers() local players = minetest.get_player_names() return players and #players or 0 end |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
obviously with line breaks |
| 12:42 |
MiniontobyPI |
ok |
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MiniontobyPI |
hmmm |
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rubenwardy |
oh, it'll return nil if the server doesn't let you query players |
| 12:43 |
MiniontobyPI |
how to disable the CSM_RF_READ_PLAYERINFO |
| 12:43 |
MiniontobyPI |
i think thats it |
| 12:43 |
rubenwardy |
ask the server nicely |
| 12:43 |
MiniontobyPI |
IM THE HOST |
| 12:44 |
MiniontobyPI |
lol |
| 12:44 |
MiniontobyPI |
how to do it if im the host? |
| 12:44 |
rubenwardy |
look for csm restrictions in the conf |
| 12:44 |
MiniontobyPI |
ok |
| 12:44 |
rubenwardy |
csm_restriction_flags =0 disables all |
| 12:44 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1589 |
| 12:44 |
MiniontobyPI |
ok |
| 12:45 |
MiniontobyPI |
not found in the file, but will set to 0 |
| 12:45 |
MiniontobyPI |
and now |
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MiniontobyPI |
environment_step(): No address for peer found! |
| 12:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
stack traceback: |
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MiniontobyPI |
[C]: in function 'get_server_info' |
| 12:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
LOL |
| 12:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
when i shut it down |
| 12:46 |
MiniontobyPI |
Hmmm |
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MiniontobyPI |
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MiniontobyPI |
rubenwardy: now it says 3 |
| 12:48 |
MiniontobyPI |
let me try with my old code |
| 12:48 |
MiniontobyPI |
!server addr:minetest.grape.ircnow.org port:30002 |
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MinetestBot |
MiniontobyPI: Grapes MT creative server | minetest.grape.ircnow.org:30002 | Clients: 0/10, 0/0 | Version: 5.4.0-dev / minetest | Ping: 14ms |
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MiniontobyPI |
my code works! |
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MiniontobyPI |
and now |
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MiniontobyPI |
rubenwardy: 1 last thing |
| 12:54 |
MiniontobyPI |
how to show the in-game time as hr:min:sec |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
and btw |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
attempt to call field 'get_node_light' (a nil value) |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
* `minetest.get_node_light(pos, timeofday)` |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
* Gets the light value at the given position. Note that the light value |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
"inside" the node at the given position is returned, so you usually want |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
to get the light value of a neighbor. |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
* `pos`: The position where to measure the light. |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
* `timeofday`: `nil` for current time, `0` for night, `0.5` for day |
| 12:56 |
MiniontobyPI |
* Returns a number between `0` and `15` or `nil` |
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rubenwardy |
please don't paste so many lines |
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rubenwardy |
is this during connect time? |
| 12:57 |
MiniontobyPI |
Soorry |
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MiniontobyPI |
I will use pastebin |
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MiniontobyPI |
ik mtimer does do it |
| 13:08 |
MiniontobyPI |
i got it working |
| 13:08 |
MiniontobyPI |
thanks mtimer mod |
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MiniontobyPI |
but yeah now the get_node_light plz |
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MiniontobyPI |
why does the function not works? |
| 13:12 |
MiniontobyPI |
is it dead/deceprate |
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MiniontobyPI |
and rubenwardy, can i use minetest.register_on_modchannel_signal to check if the player joined the game? |
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MiniontobyPI |
away |
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[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Server GotBlocks(): Lock clients to avoid multithreading issues 7ebd5da https://git.io/JtE8Q (2021-02-02T18:10:35Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Handle UTF-16 correctly in Wireshark dissector 9388c23 https://git.io/JtERM (2021-02-02T19:46:08Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Encode high codepoints as surrogates to safely transport wchar_t over… 674d67f https://git.io/JtERD (2021-02-02T19:46:08Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Drop wide/narrow conversion functions c834d2a https://git.io/JtERy (2021-02-02T19:46:08Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Refactor utf8_to_wide/wide_to_utf8 functions 5e392cf https://git.io/JtERS (2021-02-02T19:46:08Z) |
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[git] Adriankhl -> minetest/minetest: Fix memory leak detected by address sanitizer (#10896) 2072afb https://git.io/JtE06 (2021-02-02T19:56:24Z) |
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[git] v-rob -> minetest/minetest: Fix list spacing and size (again) (#10869) f227e40 https://git.io/JtE0i (2021-02-02T19:55:13Z) |
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"VERBOSE[Main]: Executing '/bin/rm' '-rf' '/tmp/MTTempModFolder_5176'" <-- should we add "--one-file-system --" to all rm commands? |
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there were bigger projects than MT, who had too few levels of safety in their rm -r |
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sfan5 |
that would be incompatible with non-GNU coreutils |
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sfan5 |
or maybe it'd work on BSD but surely not on Android |
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Sven_vB |
we could do OS detection for that |
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OTOH, I see a rather clear divide in gamers. ones that should know how to sandbox a game properly, and ones that have learned to live with the risks. |
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yeah I think I prefer devs spend their time with the more game specific issues. |
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