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How do I set the padding/margin/size-in-pixels of the hotbar, or is that fixed? |
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[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Rely on max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client to limit blocks sent … f43d1cf https://git.io/JTmcL (2020-10-14T02:39:43Z) |
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specing |
Uhm so |
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specing |
"Bitstream Vera Fonts Copyright: Copyright (c) 2003 by Bitstream, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bitstream Vera is |
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specing |
a trademark of Bitstream, Inc." |
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specing |
How can Minetest use these fonts if they are all rights reserved? |
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specing |
What license is the preview mod under? |
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specing |
It's missing a license header |
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specing |
preview CSM* |
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Calinou |
Bitstream fonts are under a free license, even if the copyright says "all rights reserved" |
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Calinou |
BSD license templates typically have "all rights reserved" for instance |
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Calinou |
but still, BSD 2/3-clause are OSI-approved and FSF-approved |
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Calinou |
Corey[m]: I think it's hardcoded… do you mean the padding between individual items? |
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specing |
Calinou: I see |
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specing |
doc/client_lua_api.txt is missing an explanation on what a "mod channel" is |
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specing |
What is _G in dump(_G)? |
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sfan5 |
the global lua environment |
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specing |
thanks |
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specing |
sfan5: what is a mod channel? |
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sfan5 |
lua_api.txt should have docs |
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specing |
sfan5: if I interpret that image correctly, "mod channels" are like simulated dedicated sockets? |
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sfan5 |
sorta |
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specing |
attempt to index global 'io' (a nil value) |
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specing |
Is io not available to CSMs? How can I manipulate files? |
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sfan5 |
you can't |
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specing |
sfan5: :( |
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specing |
sfan5: I'll try to patch it the |
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specing |
n |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "All rights reserved" is meaningless. It dates back to a time before statute made all rights reserved by default. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Putting it in a copyright statement IS a bit confusing, though, if you plan on immediately relinquishing a bunch of those rights via a free software license... |
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rubenwardy |
You can use mod storage to save data, specing. But for security reasons, file access isn't allowed |
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specing |
rubenwardy: I want to log my coordinates to a file |
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rubenwardy |
mod storage is saved to a JSON file, which can be read externally |
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Corey[m] |
Calinou: I found out later that the hud size is indeed hard coded, so no dice there, though if I can change the padding that should help slightly |
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Calinou |
there's a client-side setting for the HUD size |
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Calinou |
check the Advanced Settings menu |
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specing |
rubenwardy: hmm |
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specing |
How does one call commands registered with core.register_chatcommand? Preview mod registers a command "text", but /text is not found |
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rubenwardy |
remove the / |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've written a couple of mods (szutil_offlinepos and nc_yctiwy at least) that keep track of a player's position continuously and store it in mod_storage. This is sufficient if you only care about the current/most-recent location, and have a manageable number of players. If you have thousands of players, or if you want to track a precise history of everywhere they've been, then I don't think MT offers a really great standard |
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MTDiscord |
solution and you have to get a little creative. |
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rubenwardy |
/text = register_chatcommand["text" |
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rubenwardy |
Warr1024: client-side mod, not server-side |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, interesting. The Mumble Positional Audio thing might be the closest example for something like that that I know of. It just uses print statements, though, and relies on a wrapper to parse the data stream and extract the position data. |
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rubenwardy |
there was a user that made a cheating tool with a remote execution vulnerability by doing something like this |
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rubenwardy |
they made a wrapper that watched the log for text like @execute(myshell --command) |
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rubenwardy |
the thing is that the CSM API isn't the only thing that logs, so a malicious server could cause lines like that to be printed |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> haha, wait, did they just accidentally introduce a vulnerability? Or was it an intentional backdoor in case the cheat tool was used against the dev's own server? |
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rubenwardy |
it was accidental, they weren't as good at programming as they thought they were |
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rubenwardy |
their cheating tool consisted of a Lua CSM, a Python wrapper, and a JVM program |
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rubenwardy |
the reason they had both a Java program and a Python one was because they thought that Java can't run other programs |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh wow, I can't think of too many MT-community people who openly use the JVM :-D |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> OMG that's awesome ... and they chose Python for the role of shell glue language, of course :-DDD |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sounds like a mod that both enables cheats AND also punishes the user for cheating. Way to play both sides. |
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rubenwardy |
here it is: https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection |
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rubenwardy |
note how all of the source code is in that .sh file |
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rubenwardy |
except for the jar |
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rubenwardy |
vulnerability: https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection/blob/master/install_kgms_cheat_autoclick.sh#L87 |
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rubenwardy |
oops, the branch above |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, IMG that's hilarious, you have to run that with sudo to install it :-DD |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> This doesn't look like the work of someone who's bad at programming, it really looks like the work of somebody who's very good at bad programming |
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rubenwardy |
this code was used to eat apples automatically when damaged on CTF |
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rubenwardy |
I wrote a mod on CTF to detect the use of this code. It worked by damaging players when in the end-of-match GUI. There was a hidden field in the end-of-match GUI which would detect keypresses. This cheat is fairly dumb, it would press the slot number eat time it ate. So, my detecter would check whether the field contained many identical digits |
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rubenwardy |
it would then wait a random number of minutes, and ban the player |
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rubenwardy |
I did it mainly to annoy KGM, and it worked - within a few hours, it caught him |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> haha, nice |
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rubenwardy |
Minetest focuses the first field, so you can make fields with no size and no label |
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rubenwardy |
I could have abused that remote execution vulnerability to run something like `sleep 30; killall minetest` but that's pretty certainly against the computer misuse act |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> sleep 30; shutdown -hp now |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> computer misuse act ... is that like a british Computer Fraud and Abuse Act or something? |
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rubenwardy |
xdg-open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
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rubenwardy |
Yeah, it's the main law that hackers are prosecuted under |
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rubenwardy |
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/18/contents |
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MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> Would it be possible to add something to your server rules that allow you to get around that? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I dunno about where you live, but in the USA you can probably get past that by sending a chat message at join time saying "by playing on this server you agree to the terms in https://whatever/ctf-server-eula" or something. Shrink-wrap contracts are legal here, it seems. That EULA can simply state that they authorize you to send any data you want to their client and they accept responsibility for the consequences and indemnify yo |
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MTDiscord |
against any damages. |
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MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> heh, neat |
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MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> CTF automatically shows rules to new players, could just pop something in there |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The NodeCore Community server actually has essentially a shrink-wrap contact that you need to accept to play, and one of the things it states is that by playing you agree to retain copyright to anything you build, BUT irrevocably license all such work under CC0 terms. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You can actually still use and license your own builds under any other terms you want, in addition, but you can't deny others access to any use of any part of the full map dump, basically. |
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aperson9 |
hi |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> hello |
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specing |
rubenwardy: hmm, without / it gets forwarded to chat |
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rubenwardy |
no, the name in the table does not include the / |
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specing |
Warr1024 Thanks, but this is also a practice for writing CSMs. I'd also like the stuff to be in a less memory intensive and easier-to-parse format, like CSV |
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rubenwardy |
the chat command /test is registered_chatcommands["test"] |
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specing |
rubenwardy: okay, but it does not work |
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specing |
hence me asking how to call them |
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specing |
rubenwardy: the preview mod has core.register_chatcommand("text", { |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/irc_commands/blob/master/init.lua#L105 |
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specing |
but /text says "Invalid command: text" |
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rubenwardy |
oh right |
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rubenwardy |
the client-side prefix is `.` |
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rubenwardy |
I think, there's a setting |
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specing |
ah, that worked |
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rubenwardy |
I thought you meant programmatically |
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specing |
[PREVIEW][modchannels] Received signal id `0` on channel `experimental_preview |
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specing |
Segmentation fault |
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specing |
wow |
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Krock |
pretty cool |
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Krock |
though Minetest shouldn't crash from that |
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specing |
Are the individual CSM restrictions documented somewhere? |
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Krock |
minetest.conf.example and perhaps lua_api.txt |
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DS-minetest |
#1 |
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ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. |
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DS-minetest |
#10493 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10493 -- Devtest: Add mod to enable and test zoom by paramat |
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DS-minetest |
#1 |
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ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. |
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DS-minetest |
#1000 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1000 -- Fix entity duplication once and for all by celeron55 |
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DS-minetest |
#7000 |
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ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. |
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DS-minetest |
why doesn't work ShadowBot for all issues/PRs anymore? |
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Krock |
perhaps the website format changed |
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DS-minetest |
so, it might be github's fault |
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DS-minetest |
when will minetest migrate to some other git service, like gitlab? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Never, hopefully |
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DS-minetest |
huh, why? |
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MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> I haven't found anything that beats my dark theme for Github so far |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Every other git host has more issues than is worth dealing with |
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DS-minetest |
micro$oft already changed some things in github (mostly design, afaik). and the plan was to emigrate out of github when things are getting worse |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I dont see anything getting functionally worse |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> So they changed the UI a bit. Its not like GitHub wouldnt do that without Microsoft. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Even with the UI changes, it is still way more usable than GitLab or others. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> And you also have to remember, GitHub is still GitHub. It's just a subsidiary of Microsoft. |
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DS-minetest |
could you give an example for something that makes gitlab less usable? |
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DS-minetest |
also, a problem with github is that minetest has less contributors. of course it's still github, but there are people who ran away |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> The login system is jank, the performance sucks, repo navigation is unintuitive (or was, that may be fixed). |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I am fairly certain we have gained more contributors since the Microsoft acquisition than we lost. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> IMO, people that refuse to contribute because Minetest uses GitHub are like the people that think this Discord server/bridge shouldn't exist: Generally unhelpful and not good for the community (with some exceptions, of course). |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
"I think other people should not be able to use their prefered platform" and "I will not contribute to this project because they use a platform I avoid" are entirely different standpoints |
| 19:35 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> That is a fair point |
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MTDiscord |
<HexBubble> He green can you check #servers ? |
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MTDiscord |
<HexBubble> Thanks that would help. |
| 19:36 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Hey Hex can you not ask offtopic questions in offtopic channels? Thanks. |
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MTDiscord |
<HexBubble> What? |
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MTDiscord |
<HexBubble> Oh okay Thanks |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Anyway |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> "I will not contribute to this project because they use a platform I avoid" as a reason itself is perfectly fine. Avoiding GitHub like the plague because Microsoft saved it from imminent death is not fine. The amount of effort it takes to use burner information to avoid the posibility of sketchy businesses acquiring your info is negligible. Using GitHub does not mean "I support Microsoft and their business practices and values" |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> It's less the standpoint I dont like, more the reasoning behind it. |
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DS-minetest |
huh, I didn't know that github was dying |
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Flitzpiepe |
what can be used then for common projects? |
| 19:50 |
rubenwardy |
not using a platform because it's owned by a company you see as malicious is a better reason than not using a platform because you can't be bothered to learn its interface or sign up to it |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I didnt say I couldnt be bothered to learn the interface or sign up. I said the interface is unintuitive to use and the login system (not sign up) is janky |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Just because a parent company may be malicious doesnt mean the subsidiary suddenly is |
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SwissalpS |
lol rubenwardy :) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I can't remember off the top of my head, but there are products/services that I do not use specifically because too many people have told me I should use them. |
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SwissalpS |
if you want to help a project along, it should not matter where the code is hosted |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Exactly |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> What matters is whether you want to help the project more than you want to not use the tools the project is using. |
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SwissalpS |
and git makes it so easy, you don't need to use the interface for the most part |
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SwissalpS |
only to sign up and upload your key |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If "I don't like GH" is enough of a reason for you not to contribute to MT, then you didn't really want all that strongly to contribute in the first place. |
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rubenwardy |
in which case, you can move to GL |
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rubenwardy |
Warr1024: you underestimate how much people dislike microsoft |
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rubenwardy |
they just need to dislike microsoft more than liking minetest |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> What do we need? Matrix for git? Unify the git hosts? Geez. |
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rubenwardy |
there's one good contributor we've mostly lost because of this: pgimeno |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> My point is that disliking Microsoft is not a good reason for disliking GitHub |
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rubenwardy |
I think it is |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> They are completely different companies |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> GitHub didn't suddenly adopt Microsoft business practices and values |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> It didnt suddenly become Microsoft |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> GitHub is still GitHub |
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rubenwardy |
they're not completely different, because microsoft is a majority stakeholder |
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specing |
Krock: I've grepped and grepped to no avail |
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specing |
Krock: also no mod seems to be using those |
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specing |
DS-minetest: enjoy the lock-in |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Even if you truely believe GitHub may as well be Microsoft, there is not much keeping you from using burner information for a GitHub account. |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest saw a large increase in users when Minecraft was bought by Microsoft |
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rubenwardy |
for a long time, that day was the peak visitors on the forums and website |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Mojang was already killing Minecraft before Microsoft bought it |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Microsoft didn't change the development direction, it just sped it up (because money) |
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specing |
I have a github account, but I've decided to no longer use it for FOSS development |
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specing |
cca 18 months ago |
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specing |
Now contributions to github projects are 1) attempt to send patch by email, 2) drop patch into pastebin and paste into IRC 3) screw it, I'll just maintain my fork |
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Krock |
specing: preview is a CSM in clientmods/ |
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specing |
Krock: I know |
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rubenwardy |
fwiw, I don't dislike GitHub |
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#7901 |
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!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7901 |
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rubenwardy: Accepting PRs/patches from non-Github users · Issue #7901 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
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having worked at microsoft, I can say that it's more likely that microsoft is becoming more like github than the other way around. Also, microsoft is an old, huge company with hundreds of divisions doing all kinds of things; the new guard is very ascendant and even owns the office of the CEO. The Gates/Ballmer days of aggressiveness or loyalty over technology are long gone. They are open sourcing |
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<Jordach> honest the move from office cubicles to a university campus like setup has proven wonders for cross pollination of ideas and things |
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