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fluxflux |
e.g. https://minetest-bower.herokuapp.com/mods/craft_table |
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fluxflux |
oops |
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fluxflux |
sorry wrong window |
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MinetestBot |
Darcidride: Aug-25 07:07 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> hey, why did you shutdown your servers? lack of money/interest? i'm curious, sorry :) |
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shangul |
Is it a "must" that client retrieve media stuff from server? |
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rubenwardy |
there's also remote media |
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rubenwardy |
over HTTP |
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shangul |
But media "must" be received by client at all. right? |
| 12:01 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
there is also a cache |
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rubenwardy |
wait - you don't have to get the media if you don't use it |
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rubenwardy |
like, if it doesn't render at all |
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rubenwardy |
you can just tell the server that you already have all media in the cache |
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shangul |
rubenwardy, hmm that's very good. How can I do that? |
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rubenwardy |
shangul: there's probably a packet to tell the server that the client has finished loading media |
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rubenwardy |
\o/ |
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shangul |
hmm |
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shangul |
In client/clientopcodes.cpp I have found just TOCLIENT_BLOCKDATA and TOCLIENT_MEDIA |
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shangul |
Imagine shangulbot on ruben's CTF killing all enemies who become close to base! |
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shangul |
:D |
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shangul |
Or imagine a bot war server(something like robocode.sf.net) |
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eeerungur |
there are minetest bots? |
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shangul |
eeerungur, Unfortunately no. I was just expressing my imaginations :) |
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eeerungur |
shangul: it's a cool idea. :) |
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shangul |
I think so, too :) |
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rubenwardy |
pls no cheating |
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rubenwardy |
get good by actually getting good |
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eeerungur |
i wasn't thinking about cheating. |
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eeerungur |
i like the idea of bots as npcs. |
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eeerungur |
are there any good lua bots? |
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shangul |
<rubenwardy> pls no cheating -> It is not cheating. Coding a good PvP bot especially in Minetest is an uneasy and complex job. |
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shangul |
Even with a good bot framework |
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rubenwardy |
perhaps scheduled tests could occur |
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shangul |
But I don't want to do anything with your server if you don't want that. |
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shangul |
And till now we even don't have a bot which just connects to server and sits there. |
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daniel__ |
hi |
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shangul |
bye |
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shangul |
\o/ |
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shangul |
_o/ |
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shangul |
\o_ |
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shangul |
:D |
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shangul |
After a few days, now I have a bot which connects to server successfully(and does nothing after that). |
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Corey[m] |
hmm, you're writing a minetest agent? (bot) |
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shangul |
Not exactly. I am trying to get a minetest bot framework out of minetest code... |
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shangul |
Only a crazy person like me may do this with about zero knowledge... |
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eeerungur |
shangul: your bot spawns a character in game? |
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Corey[m] |
Well I had the same idea, but didn't have the time to pursue it 3; |
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shangul |
eeerungur, I don't know. let me check. it should do |
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Corey[m] |
I believe the bot would just act like a normal player connecting to the server |
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shangul |
yeah |
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Corey[m] |
the only difference is it would be controlled by the AI |
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Corey[m] |
but are you doing this at the network level or just a client side mod in minetest? |
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shangul |
yeah and bot owners better append "bot" to their nick and use it as their bot's name |
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shangul |
Corey[m], network level |
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Corey[m] |
oof, you'll have to emulate the physics engine I think |
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Corey[m] |
I believe the physics calculation is done client side, correct me if I'm wrong |
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shangul |
No idea I am not a Minetest developer at all. |
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shangul |
Never touched engine's code before this |
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eeerungur |
shangul: it would be cool if you could just make a player walk around in a circle or something. |
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eeerungur |
basic proof of concept. |
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eeerungur |
you know like those turtle games kids play to learn coding. |
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Corey[m] |
walking around in a circle would be an accomplishment, I'd say a proof of concept is the player just jumping |
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eeerungur |
the bot wouldn't necessarily have to see the world and react to it, you could just code animations. |
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eeerungur |
Corey[m]: true. a bot player joining and doing a jump would be great. |
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eeerungur |
i'm imagining building a stage and having bot actors. they move around the stage saying their lines at the right time. :) |
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eeerungur |
https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=logo |
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eeerungur |
like logo, but instead of moving a turtle around a screen, you move a minetest player around. |
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eeerungur |
that could be a cool educational toy. |
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eeerungur |
shangul: what language are you using? |
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shangul |
eeerungur, As I said before I'm not writing much new. I am just trying to extract a bot framework out of minetest code. |
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shangul |
Currently it looks like this: http://92.222.41.125/users/farooqkz/screenshot_20200826_185818.png |
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eeerungur |
nice. :) |
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shangul |
No it is ugly :( |
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shangul |
But I will work on it |
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eeerungur |
good for you. |
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newbie41 |
ck twoelk |
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twoelk |
actally there had been npc like objects floating about in the past |
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twoelk |
one called "luigi" was used to make a copy of the surface of the redcrab server |
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twoelk |
the explore_map mod was along similar ideas https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2950 |
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eeerungur |
interesting. thanks twoelk. |
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twoelk |
most servers banned map surveying bots though |
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DS-minetest |
is it somehow possible to recompile minetest with puc lua (ie. switching between PUC lua and luajit) without deleting the cmakecache.txt file? |
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Krock |
modify the Makefile manually |
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Krock |
and delete compiled .o files if necessary |
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DS-minetest |
maybe I should ask differently: what is the easiest way to switch between luajit and not luajit? |
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Krock |
link dynamically and attempt to LD_PRELOAD overwrite the library |
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Krock |
works as long both libraries have the same functions, which does AFAIK not apply to 100% for Lua/LuaJIT |
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DS-minetest |
so, it does not work 100%? |
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Krock |
try it. I wouldn't be too confident |
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DS-minetest |
getting a segfault in luaJIT_setmode |
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DS-minetest |
I guess I'll just copy the minetest dir (without all the mods and worlds though) |
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Krock |
why? specify another build dir |
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Krock |
same source, different build options. is very handy when switching between release and debug builds |
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DS-minetest |
how can I do this? |
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DS-minetest |
with the --build option in cmake? |
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Krock |
DS-minetest: instead of cmake . it's cmake /path/to/build/dir |
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Krock |
not sure though. I always use cmake-gui... |
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DS-minetest |
I've found out how to do it |
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DS-minetest |
I have to use cmake /path/to/minetest in the build dir |
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DS-minetest |
but there mustn't be a "in-source build" |
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DS-minetest |
which means I need to rename the cmakecache file when i create the "out-of-source build" |
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DS-minetest |
anyway, thanks for your help! :) |
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* DS-minetest |
really needs to learn how to use cmake at some point |
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Krock |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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DS-minetest |
mmh, deleting cmakecache.txt wasn't enough |
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DS-minetest |
it uses 2 src/cmake_config.h now |
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Menchers |
can edit CMakeCache.txt |
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Menchers |
erm, wait, I think there's a knob specifically for choosing this |
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Menchers |
ENABLE_LUAJIT:BOOL |
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Menchers |
can just turn that on and off |
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DS-minetest |
Menchers: yeah, that's not the problem |
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Menchers |
hm, it doesn't update the library paths? |
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Menchers |
there are LUA_INCLUDE_DIR and LUA_LIBRARY |
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DS-minetest |
anyway, I do know now how I want to handle it |
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Menchers |
ok |
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DS-minetest |
how can I easily find out what all the files are that were automatically generated by cmake (and remove them)? |
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Menchers |
I'm not sure if there's an easy way to do that |
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* DS-minetest |
just sees that there's a ".DS_Store" in minetest's .gitignore. This is surely meant for me. |
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Menchers |
the hacky way I reset everything (only works with git) is rm -rf *; git reset --hard |
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Menchers |
make really sure you're in the proper dir with that rm :P |
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DS-minetest |
Menchers: yeah, but that also removes worlds and mods |
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Menchers |
it doesn't hose any dotfiles so git can restore everything fro .git |
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Menchers |
ah, yes, if you have those in-tree |
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Menchers |
that would be a problem |
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Krock |
it doesn't remove worlds if they're git-ignored |
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Krock |
or unversioned AFAIK |
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Menchers |
? |
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Menchers |
the rm would |
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Krock |
anyway, use symlinks |
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Krock |
ah yes, but not git reset --hard |
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Menchers |
I just don't keep stuff in my work tree generally |
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Menchers |
was going to suggest git status, but that doesn't show stuff that's listed in .gitignore :/ |
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DS-minetest |
git reset --hard also doesn't remove the cmake stuff |
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Menchers |
yeah I think that just restores files to their committed state |
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Menchers |
it doesn't delete anything |
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Menchers |
whether it is ignored or not (I think) |
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Menchers |
not positive on that last thing |
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Menchers |
my personal setup is to install it to $HOME/.local and add $HOME/.local/bin to my PATH |
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Menchers |
though, this only works for one minetest :/ |
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DS-minetest |
I use a bash alias |
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Menchers |
if you have a variant that still uses minetest's pathnames one of them's going to have to be RUN_IN_PLACE or installed to a different prefix |
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DS-minetest |
:sweat_smile: |
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DS-minetest |
hm, I could just comment out the ## Build files lines in .gitignore and then reset --hard |
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Menchers |
I could maybe change all the pathnames to be minetest-5/minetest-6 instead of minetest, so I could have a couple variants installed side by side |
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Menchers |
that may be rather involved though |
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Menchers |
I'll just keep one RUN_IN_PLACE, it's the lazy solution |
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DS-minetest |
ok, removing cmake stuff by removing it from .gitignore, adding it and resetting --hard worked well |
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DS-minetest |
or maybe not... |
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DS-minetest |
there's still a CMakeFiles folder |
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DS-minetest |
only contains empty folders |
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DS-minetest |
git... |
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DS-minetest |
hm, while the minetest binary is created in the minetest_src/bin folder, the output of make doc is in the build dir |
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DS-minetest |
the cmake build dir thing |
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Menchers |
CMakeFiles is important |
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Menchers |
er |
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Menchers |
nvm |
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Menchers |
was confusing it with CMakeLists.txt |
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DS-minetest |
why are some cmake options (like CUSTOM_LOCALEDIR) not documented in the README ? |
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sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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DS-minetest |
can I somehow find out in a mod whether there's puc lua or luajit (without measuring time) |
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DS-minetest |
? |
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DS-minetest |
(tried _VERSION but it always says "Lua 5.1") |
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sfan5 |
rawget(_G, "jit") ~= nil |
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DS-minetest |
oh, I didn't know that this existed, thanks! |
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