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lmat |
I'm running a minetest server in docker. Port 30000 is forwarded. I'm running minetest; on the same machine as the server. I put in localhost and 30000 for connection details and name "uuuu". The progress bar hangs at "Connecting to server", then it fails to connect with "Connection timed out". |
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lmat |
Sounds like a typical: you didn't set up the docker container properly. |
| 00:08 |
lmat |
Oooohhh.... it's 30000 UDP?! |
| 00:10 |
lmat |
Okay, set up docker to publish udp rather than tcp. Works fine now. |
| 00:10 |
lmat |
Thanks, guys! |
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rubenwardy |
lol, glad you worked it out lmat |
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lmat |
\o/ |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
i just tossed a spear into the air in realcraft and caught it to see what would happen |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
i now have half a heart left |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
suprised pikachu face |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
realtest* |
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Extex |
I'm thinking about making a mod |
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Extex |
That adds oil |
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VanessaE |
basic_materials has oil. |
| 02:42 |
Extex |
It's not a visible thing but it's pumped |
| 02:43 |
Extex |
Like crude oil |
| 02:44 |
Extex |
How would I generate a noise value stretching across the map of the oil levels of all the mao |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
I suppose most people would use some kind of perlin noise. |
| 02:48 |
Extex |
Does minetest have a builtin way to create perlin noise? |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
yes but I don't remember the API calls offhand |
| 02:51 |
Extex |
Found it! |
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Extex |
minetest.get_perlin(seeddiff, octaves, persistence, scale) |
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Extex |
But I have no idea how to use it XD |
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tf2ftw |
VanessaE, where can I find plantline_i18n ? |
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tf2ftw |
* plantlife |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
that's probably outdated now. |
| 03:14 |
tf2ftw |
should i not use vines? |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember :P |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
but, the modpack as a whole is already self-contained |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
you shouldn't need anything extra besides biome_Lib |
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tf2ftw |
I'm confused by that. I've been moving the individual mods from the modpack into the mods folder. Is there a way to keep them in the modpack but still have them picked up in world.mt? |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
you just put the modpack in there in whole. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
and configure your world like normal |
| 03:17 |
tf2ftw |
got it/ |
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tf2ftw |
thanks |
| 03:19 |
tf2ftw |
does this room have a preference in paste websites? |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
not really. |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
though it's a good idea to use one which has syntax highlighting, if you're sharing code |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
(I usually use pastebin.com, or if I need wide lines, pastebin.ubuntu.com) |
| 03:23 |
tf2ftw |
VanessaE, I unzipped the plantlife modpack into my mods folder. here are the warnings I'm getting |
| 03:23 |
tf2ftw |
https://privatebin.net/?b3ac62e504d396b5#D8ja7iT6rMvbViTVx4VQZ7ybF4tGxNaRxNF8rijp5J55 |
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VanessaE |
2020-04-06 03:18:53: WARNING[Main]: Will not load: /root/.minetest/mods/plantlife_modpack/along_shore |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
2020-04-06 03:18:53: WARNING[Main]: Overridden by: /root/.minetest/mods/along_shore |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
etc. |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
obviously you forgot to delete the "individual" copies you were making before. |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
fix that first :) |
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tf2ftw |
ah you're right. sleepy. thanks |
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tf2ftw |
is there any purpose in repairing tools like pickaxe? |
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tf2ftw |
I'm also wondering if there is a recommended mod for keeping a level indicator on the character. |
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jc193232002 |
hello |
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Edgy1 |
im helping someone with minetest 5.2 and he gets this error when trying to migrate to postgresql: "An unhandled exception occurred: PostgreSQL database error: FATAL: role "SVR_MT" does not exist" |
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Edgy1 |
I don't understand what that means |
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Edgy1 |
oh nvm, SVR_MT is what he set for a username. read it wrong |
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Edgy1 |
figured it out. i didnt realize thats what he set |
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jc193232002 |
hey yall just created my first server but there is no world generated and the screen is just black, any solutions? |
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bernhard16 |
hello, i use 5.2.0 with whynot-game, when i start a local multiplayer with savegame i get the following error: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occurred: Couldn't save env meta - do you have any suggestions? |
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bernhard16 |
im on linuxmint |
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sfan5 |
is the world folder accidentally marked as read-only? |
| 11:33 |
sfan5 |
other than that I don't think there can be another reason for this error |
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bernhard16 |
thanks, that helps i think, i messed it up because the kids-account is not admin and now the kids are not owner anymore... will try to fix and tell you then |
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bernhard16 |
changing ownership of the world-folder helped, now it works, god am i happy now, would haved hated to tell the kids i broke their game, have a nice day and ty for the fast help |
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MinetestBot |
[git] An0n3m0us -> minetest/minetest_game: Sort items into correct categories (#2612) 05fad37 https://git.io/JvNNt (2020-04-06T13:15:50Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] An0n3m0us -> minetest/minetest_game: Transform brick top texture to align bricks correctly (#2607) 7fc7fa4 https://git.io/JvNN8 (2020-04-06T13:19:52Z) |
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rubenwardy |
Wuzzy: would you be willing to change your mod update policy to include feature freezes? It would be very helpful to have you update your mods during feature freeze, where you can complain about any weirdness or problems you find in your many mods |
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rubenwardy |
applies to everyone |
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MinetestBot |
[git] MoNTE48 -> minetest/minetest_game: Enable player animation when Right Click (#2622) 7d230fd https://git.io/JvNNE (2020-04-06T13:22:08Z) |
| 13:23 |
Wuzzy |
hmmmm i dont think have found a problem so far that relates to my mods |
| 13:24 |
rubenwardy |
it's not impossible |
| 13:24 |
Wuzzy |
the only true bug so far is the crashing with mobs reported by sfan5, but this was totally |
| 13:24 |
Wuzzy |
my fault |
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Wuzzy |
because i used an objectref at a time when i was not allowed to |
| 13:24 |
Wuzzy |
i was just lucky it didnt crash in earlier versions |
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sfan5 |
not everyone holds that opinion |
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sfan5 |
using objectrefs after removal worked just fine before and I don't think it could segfault either (that was with players only) |
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Wuzzy |
doing stuff with dead objectrefs is a bug anyway |
| 13:25 |
Wuzzy |
no matter if mt crashes or not |
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rubenwardy |
two things this release were "fixed" when there weren't even issues reported - objectrefs and get_content_id |
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rubenwardy |
you could argue that making it "safer" isn't helpful unless there are issues/bugs due to it |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
idk though, making things safer during undefined behaviour sgtm |
| 13:27 |
Wuzzy |
whatever, i just fix my broken code, period ? |
| 13:27 |
Wuzzy |
thankfully, most mods dont need to be touched |
| 13:28 |
Wuzzy |
the most common update will be ephemeral sounds but thats not *really* important |
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rubenwardy |
sound_play without an explicit parameter should be deprecated, that would be nice |
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Wuzzy |
prepare for massive log spam then |
| 13:29 |
rubenwardy |
like, without ephemeral specified as true or false |
| 13:29 |
sfan5 |
it's really not that important |
| 13:29 |
Wuzzy |
i still added it to all my mods |
| 13:29 |
Wuzzy |
i just need to release them, but thats painful |
| 13:30 |
Wuzzy |
because I need to update the forum post ... ? |
| 13:31 |
Wuzzy |
rubenwardy: what do you mean with the get_content_id fix? |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
get_content_id throws an error instead of returning ignore if the node doesn't exist |
| 13:33 |
rubenwardy |
get_content_id on an unregistered node is usually a bug that can cause obscure errors messages later on |
| 13:34 |
sfan5 |
Wuzzy: how come https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/9302 exists when MTG jungle grass isn't even stackable? |
| 13:34 |
Wuzzy |
how annoying |
| 13:34 |
sfan5 |
or is your grass just so tall? |
| 13:34 |
Wuzzy |
sigh. not everything revolves around MTG |
| 13:35 |
sfan5 |
no of course |
| 13:35 |
Wuzzy |
the plantlike drawtype is not only used for plants like grass |
| 13:35 |
sfan5 |
but I'd like to know the situation in which this is problem for you |
| 13:35 |
Wuzzy |
its one of the bugs i found in testing with devtest |
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rubenwardy |
what draw type is papyrus? |
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Wuzzy |
oh crap |
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sfan5 |
the papyrus texture is not higher than the node, though |
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Wuzzy |
congratulations, you have just killed a PR! ? |
| 13:38 |
Wuzzy |
yes it would break papyrus |
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sfan5 |
https://a.uguu.se/01BpwtjwowEm_.png oh you're right, it creates gaps |
| 13:39 |
Wuzzy |
hmmmm |
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rubenwardy |
hmmmm is no longer here :'( |
| 13:39 |
Wuzzy |
maybe i can make it so that it only applies if visual_scale > 1 |
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Wuzzy |
btw, firelike is also not only used for fire |
| 13:40 |
Wuzzy |
as it turns out, its also incredibly useful for plants |
| 13:40 |
Wuzzy |
example: Aotearoa |
| 13:42 |
Wuzzy |
sfan5: do you see any problem if I keep the PR's code, but use it only if visual_scale > 1 |
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sfan5 |
maybe |
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sfan5 |
is there any reason someone would like to use visual_scale>1 and have textures overlap perfectly? |
| 13:45 |
Wuzzy |
hmm no idea |
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Wuzzy |
you mean, overlap perfectly, as in, no rotation? |
| 13:45 |
Wuzzy |
my strategy to fix z-fighting is wrong anyway |
| 13:46 |
Wuzzy |
the truly correct way to fix z-fighting is different. Irrlicht provides a way iirc |
| 13:46 |
Wuzzy |
its always a bad idea to fix z-fighting by applying offset or rotation, unless that's intended anyway |
| 13:49 |
Wuzzy |
argh. i think my alternative solution won't work as well |
| 13:49 |
Wuzzy |
wait. or maybe it will... i need to play around with this... |
| 13:50 |
Wuzzy |
sfan5: so you're basically aying i shouldnt touch plantlike for now? |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
that might be better for now, yes |
| 13:50 |
Wuzzy |
its better we figure out the correct way to fix z-fight then |
| 13:50 |
Wuzzy |
because the bug is still technically there :/ |
| 13:51 |
Wuzzy |
btw, did you look at DevTest so far? |
| 13:51 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 13:51 |
Wuzzy |
? |
| 13:52 |
Wuzzy |
in like all my new bug reports it now appears haha |
| 13:52 |
Wuzzy |
anyway, i hope DevTest will make it into official one day... |
| 13:52 |
Wuzzy |
the old [minimal] is horribly outdated |
| 13:53 |
Wuzzy |
oh this reminds me. i should probably update the PR, now that 5.2.0 is out |
| 13:59 |
rubenwardy |
I'll look at devtest soon |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
look at my PRs first :^) |
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Wuzzy |
? |
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Wuzzy |
DPI scaling for windows? |
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Wuzzy |
ooohhh |
| 14:02 |
Wuzzy |
So ... this is the reason why so many people complained about hudbars being misplaced... |
| 14:03 |
Wuzzy |
rubenwardy: note i will soon make a force-push to devtest |
| 14:03 |
Wuzzy |
(to the PR) |
| 14:03 |
rubenwardy |
well, I'm at work so won't be checking it out quite yet |
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MinetestBot |
[git] dcbrwn -> minetest/minetest: Add tone mapping for entities (#9521) 661b4a1 https://git.io/JvNAj (2020-04-06T14:06:40Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] wt -> minetest/minetest: Add allowed_mapgens option in game.conf. (#9263) f91124a https://git.io/JvNxe (2020-04-06T14:06:16Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Some minor Lua API documentation clarifications (#9461) faedde0 https://git.io/JvNxv (2020-04-06T14:05:27Z) |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Clarify use of minetest.request_insecure_environment() (#9597) 143a37e https://git.io/JvNhf (2020-04-06T14:54:27Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Calinou -> minetest/minetest: Allow relative directories for `screenshot_path`, tweak default path … f45ba78 https://git.io/JvNhJ (2020-04-06T14:54:12Z) |
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sfan5 |
so uh |
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sfan5 |
who is responsible for https://flathub.org/apps/details/net.minetest.Minetest and why is it still at 5.1.0? |
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est31 |
sfan5: flatpak upstream developers |
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est31 |
https://github.com/flathub/net.minetest.Minetest/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed |
| 15:20 |
est31 |
apparently Calinou made the last update |
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sfan5 |
ah, interesting |
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lmat |
When I joined my server for the first time, I was placed into a world. Where did this world come from? When was it generated? How can I generate another one (with a different generator?)? |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
it was generated the instant you joined the world, to generate a different looking one you can delete the world folder and start again |
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lmat |
sfan5: Thanks! How do I choose which generator to use? |
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sfan5 |
the mg_name setting |
| 15:53 |
lmat |
sweet. And a server can only host one world, right? |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
but a single computer can obviously run multiple instances of minetest, if that's what you're thinking |
| 15:53 |
lmat |
And I can choose which game to play in that world? |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 15:53 |
lmat |
sfan5: Understood. I would put each world on a different port and instance of minetestserver, right? |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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lmat |
sfan5: What's the best game? |
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sfan5 |
that's a very subjective question |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
but I'd suggest starting with minetest_game and adding a few mods (https://www.minetest.net/customize/#mods) so the world isn't as empty |
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rubenwardy |
I recommend these mods: https://gitlab.com/rubenwardy/dev_plays_minetest |
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lmat |
sfan5: These will be world-generation mods? So mods that I need to have installed before generating the world? |
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sfan5 |
no you can add them fine at any point in time |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
of course if a mod adds e.g. a new ore, you may have to explore a new part of your world to actually find them |
| 15:56 |
lmat |
sfan5: okay. It looks like lots of objects. So they make it possible to create new stuff that isn't in the base game? |
| 15:56 |
lmat |
sfan5: ooohhh, okay |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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lmat |
rubenwardy: Whoa, this is a sub-module-rich git repo? |
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lmat |
sfan5: u da man. |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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lmat |
So in general, minetest worlds are spawned as they're explored? And the map generator generates blocks on the fly? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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lmat |
(I did select * from blocks; in the world. interesting. There are 16,000 blocks.) |
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rubenwardy |
the map generator makes 80x80x80 nodes, 5x5x5 map blocks at a time |
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rubenwardy |
by defualt |
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lmat |
sweet |
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yay, my PR was merged |
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jonadab |
Does lua's string concatenation operator really only work with literals, or am I doing something else wrong? If I try to do anything like foo = bar .. "x", I always get an error, like "attempt to concatenate global", "attempt to concatenate local", etc. |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
are they declared? |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
they do work with variables |
| 18:26 |
jonadab |
That doesn't seem to make any difference. |
| 18:26 |
jonadab |
Undeclared, declared, I get the error. |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
sounds like the variables aren't declared in thatscope |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
please give a reproducable example |
| 18:26 |
jonadab |
Hang on, let me pastebin my file. |
| 18:26 |
DS-minetest |
try local a = "a" local b = a .. "b" |
| 18:30 |
jonadab |
See line 61 here: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/1156.txt |
| 18:30 |
jonadab |
I am getting ERROR[Main]: /usr/share/games/minetest/mods/coloredsand/init.lua:61: attempt to concatenate local 'dyename' (a table value) |
| 18:30 |
jonadab |
local hrprefix is just above the conditional |
| 18:31 |
* DS-minetest |
would like not to have to count more than 10 lines |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
you can't concatenate a table |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
perhaps you meant diename[1] |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
also, your for loop doesn't work |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
the dyeid will be 1,2,3,4 |
| 18:31 |
jonadab |
Oh. OH. |
| 18:32 |
jonadab |
I was misunderstanding how pairs works then. |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
pairs iterates over keys and values. The keys are numerical when a table acts like an array |
| 18:32 |
jonadab |
Riiight. THAT makes sense. |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
you could change `dyes` to a key-value rather than an array of {key,value} |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
if the order doesn't matter |
| 18:33 |
DS-minetest |
and if there are no duplicates |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
like, local dyes = { white = "White" } |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
ids should be globally unique |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
if it is actually an id |
| 18:33 |
DS-minetest |
like, {white = "White", white = "calcium"} |
| 18:34 |
jonadab |
What I really want is to use dye.dyes, but I had set that to one side until I get something basically working. |
| 18:34 |
jonadab |
Because new language. |
| 18:34 |
DS-minetest |
did you add dye to your dependencies? |
| 18:35 |
jonadab |
Ah. No, I did not. I will have to look up how to do dependencies. |
| 18:35 |
rubenwardy |
~book getting |
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| 18:35 |
rubenwardy |
!book getting |
| 18:35 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Getting Started - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/basics/getting_started.html |
| 18:36 |
jonadab |
It's been so long since I learned a new language. Even C doesn't really count, because I'd worked with C before. And before that, the last one I learned was Perl, in, like, 1999. |
| 18:36 |
DS-minetest |
and to iterate through dye.dyes, you could do for _, dye_pair in ipairs(dye.dyes) do local name1_thingy, name2_thingy = unpack(dye_pair) ... end |
| 18:36 |
jonadab |
Oh, a resource specifically about modding Minetest, that will definitely come in handy. |
| 18:36 |
DS-minetest |
!doc jonadab |
| 18:37 |
DS-minetest |
!help |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
!api jonadab |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
jonadab, someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 18:37 |
rubenwardy |
!rtfm DS-minetest |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
DS-minetest, someone thinks you should read the manual. The development wiki is at http://dev.minetest.net, the regular wiki is at http://wiki.minetest.net. |
| 18:37 |
DS-minetest |
mhm |
| 18:37 |
DS-minetest |
!api is what I wanted to use |
| 18:38 |
* jonadab |
wanders off to fix his code. |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
!api ShadowBot: help |
| 18:38 |
MinetestBot |
ShadowBot: help, someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
disappoint |
| 18:38 |
DS-minetest |
~help |
| 18:38 |
ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: help [<plugin>] [<command>] |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
ShadowBot: help |
| 18:38 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: help [<plugin>] [<command>] |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 18:39 |
DS-minetest |
~help ShadowBot |
| 18:39 |
ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: Error: There is no command "shadowbot". |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
!api ChanServ: help |
| 18:39 |
MinetestBot |
ChanServ: help, someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
I give up |
| 18:39 |
Extex |
What is it supposed to do? |
| 18:39 |
DS-minetest |
maybe, you have to tell them in privae |
| 18:39 |
DS-minetest |
private* |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
I was trying to get MTB to trigger another bot |
| 18:40 |
DS-minetest |
yep |
| 18:40 |
DS-minetest |
ah |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
that has been fixed years ago |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
It would be cool if you could construct a message like !api !say !api !say !api !say |
| 18:40 |
jonadab |
Ah, I see. mod.conf has dependencies listed. |
| 18:40 |
scr267 |
Anyone know how far back rollback will keep data? |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
forever, by default |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
forever. |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
in fact you can't change this |
| 18:41 |
scr267 |
I didn't notice an option to change that |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
!rainbow forever |
| 18:41 |
MinetestBot |
4fo7re8ve3r |
| 18:41 |
scr267 |
oh LOL |
| 18:41 |
scr267 |
ok |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
even into hundreds of gigs of log file |
| 18:41 |
scr267 |
Thanks |
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| 18:41 |
scr267 |
Guess I'm doomed to run out of disk space then :-/ |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
can you merge rollback databases? |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
if that's possible, you could do log rotation |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
I doubt rollback would be naive enough to store individual actions :D |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
actually, hm |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
it is. |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
it stores every. single. loggable. action. |
| 18:42 |
DS-minetest |
!pil jonadab |
| 18:42 |
MinetestBot |
jonadab, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
(even technic machines) |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, I guess you can combine actions nicely but that wouldn't effect across multiple rollback dbs |
| 18:43 |
scr267 |
OUCH |
| 18:43 |
scr267 |
technic machines? |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
yes. |
| 18:43 |
scr267 |
No wonder my log file is so large :-/ |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
in which case, as part of a weekly backup you could rotate rollback |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
I had to nuke a 180 GB rollback log a couple days ago. |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
(yes, gigs) |
| 18:43 |
DS-minetest |
so every second for every machine that updates its meta (every one)? |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
actually, if they are mergable and have timestamps then you could just run regular SQL queries? |
| 18:44 |
scr267 |
Is it possible to prune older entries? |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
psuedo: DELETE FROM actions WHERE create_at < datetime() |
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| 18:44 |
jonadab |
DS-minetest: I'd already found Programming in Lua, and have been looking up individual things in it, but I haven't fully absorbed it yet. |
| 18:45 |
DS-minetest |
jonadab: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ is most useful |
| 18:45 |
scr267 |
rubenwardy, what did you mean by mergeable though? Aren't those changes written in the main DB as effects on blocks? |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
mergeable as in you can take two tables and combine them without needing to edit rows |
| 18:46 |
scr267 |
Right... would be nice if the rollback feature was built-in to the main DB... There must be some algorithm that's more efficient than logging every action!? |
| 18:47 |
scr267 |
Although, the rollback feature does point to who did what action at what time so... never mind |
| 18:47 |
DS-minetest |
like this? select * from logs_in_2019 unit logs_in_2020 |
| 18:47 |
DS-minetest |
s/unit/union/ |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
sure I guess |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
but at that point, you may as well run a delete based on the creation date or index |
| 18:48 |
DS-minetest |
wouldn't it be possible to keep the databases log file? |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
..? |
| 18:49 |
rubenwardy |
the problem is the size of the database, I don't see why that would be necessary |
| 18:49 |
DS-minetest |
sqlite uses a WAL and deletes it when it applies the entries, but the log file could be kept |
| 18:49 |
rubenwardy |
how does that help with file size? |
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| 18:50 |
DS-minetest |
it would only store changes to the database, hence real changes, and minetest would implement less stuff on its own that's done anyways |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
rollback provides per-player granuarity |
| 18:51 |
DS-minetest |
oh |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
you can revert all changes to the world that a player made |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
I assume that it only does this if no other player modified that position since |
| 18:52 |
scr267 |
I was just going to ask that |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
in which case, there may not be a need for a date or ID column in the db, which makes deleting impossible |
| 18:52 |
DS-minetest |
with some more complex mods, this might cause huge problems |
| 18:52 |
scr267 |
what would the effect be if multiple players modified the same things and you want to put things back to a specific point |
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| 18:58 |
jonadab |
Woot. You guys are awesome. I now have something that actually works. It doesn't do everything I want, but now I can work on individual features one at a time and test each change. |
| 18:58 |
* jonadab |
does a happy dance. |
| 18:58 |
rubenwardy |
!next |
| 18:58 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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* Seirdy |
keeps refreshing flatpak repos to see when minetest flathub gon update |
| 19:10 |
DS-minetest |
~brainfuck "++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<.+++++.---------.+++++++++++++++.---------------.++++++++++++++.+.>-----------.<-----.+++++." |
| 19:11 |
ShadowBot |
DS-minetest: Hi MinetestBot |
| 19:11 |
DS-minetest |
aww |
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| 19:15 |
lmat |
rubenwardy: Hey, it's you! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4449#issuecomment-240362635 |
| 19:15 |
lmat |
How do I set the debug.txt location in minetestserver? |
| 19:15 |
lmat |
I don't see it in minetest.conf |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
--logfile on the command line |
| 19:22 |
lmat |
sfan5: Thanks! |
| 19:23 |
lmat |
"After installing the mod, start Minetest, go to the world's "Configure" menu, click "Enable All" then "Save"." Where is this configure menu? |
| 19:23 |
DS-minetest |
in the world select menu |
| 19:23 |
DS-minetest |
in singleplayer |
| 19:24 |
DS-minetest |
there's a button |
| 19:24 |
lmat |
DS-minetest: I start minetest, then click Join Game, then type in my server name and port number then connect. It starts up the game. |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
before connect there's a button to configure the mods to load |
| 19:25 |
lmat |
https://imgur.com/Zj6HDev.png |
| 19:25 |
lmat |
I don't see the button... |
| 19:25 |
DS-minetest |
go to start game |
| 19:26 |
DS-minetest |
you want to start the server, you can't join a server that's not running |
| 19:26 |
lmat |
DS-minetest: The server is running. |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
the issue here is |
| 19:26 |
DS-minetest |
then shut down to configure mods |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
when you run and configure a minetest server on some remote machine, you can't use your local GUI to configure the mods |
| 19:27 |
lmat |
sfan5: This makes good sense :-) |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
so what you'll want to do instead if edit world.mt and change all "false"'s to "true" on the lines that say load_mod_... |
| 19:27 |
lmat |
sfan5: sweet. |
| 19:27 |
DS-minetest |
(you could download the world, configure in gui, and put it back) |
| 19:27 |
lmat |
DS-minetest: :'( |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
but start the server once to fill the world.mt contents |
| 19:28 |
lmat |
sfan5: https://imgur.com/qecfX1F.png So I'll get some documentation about what to put in this file. Thanks! |
| 19:28 |
lmat |
Krock: Check! |
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| 19:29 |
Krock |
yet no mods installed anywhere, from the looks of it |
| 19:29 |
lmat |
Krock: Not yet! This is my first one. |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
if you follow Krock's advice you should already have many lines that say load_mod_somename = false |
| 19:29 |
lmat |
oh...no... I played in the world a little bit, and that's what my .mt file looks like. |
| 19:30 |
lmat |
sfan5: Oh, but I installed my mod *after* creating the world. Maybe that's te issu. |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
please ensure your mod is inside ~/.minetest/mods/ (server-side) |
| 19:30 |
lmat |
s/te issu/the issue/ |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
the tissue |
| 19:30 |
lmat |
By the way, when I make changes to minetest.conf or this world .mt file, do I have to restart the server? |
| 19:31 |
sfan5 |
definitely |
| 19:31 |
Krock |
for minetest.conf always shut down the server first |
| 19:31 |
lmat |
Thanks |
| 19:31 |
Krock |
world.mt .. probably not, but it surely wouldn't hurt there as well |
| 19:32 |
Krock |
I don't think Minetest writes to that file in-game so it should be safe to edit |
| 19:33 |
lmat |
Well crap... I downloaded home decor mod, but it doesn't have init.lua (logs tell me it's missing). It looks like there are like 50 individual mods in there (with their own init.lua). I guess I Need to move them all to the "mods" directory, then add the enable string to the .mt file :-/ |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
no |
| 19:34 |
lmat |
\o/ tell me more! |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
if there's a modpack.conf or modpack.txt file, it's a modpack |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
i.e. all directories within are seen as mods |
| 19:34 |
lmat |
Krock: Ahh, okay. I don't see such a file, but I'll look for one. |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
so if you get an init.lua error it's probably lacking the modpack file |
| 19:35 |
lmat |
Excellent tip, thank you! |
| 19:36 |
lmat |
there is modpack.txt but it's empty. I probably deleted it because it's empty :-o I'll put it back! |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
that's fine |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
(if it's empty) |
| 19:37 |
lmat |
Normally I would ask how I know if the modpack is up and running, but I think since I got an error and now I don't, it should be good ^_^ |
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| 19:37 |
orbea |
what's up with mods that use modpack.txt with 1 mod included? |
| 19:37 |
lmat |
Maybe I should /giveme (I think that's right) one of the items from the modpack |
| 19:37 |
lmat |
orbea: Future proofing of course ;-) |
| 19:37 |
orbea |
heh |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
modpacks aren't treated any special internally, they're just search path extensions to mods/ |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
well.. at least not yet |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
likely for convenience so that you don't have to get the name right |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
that's for modpack.conf according to lua_api.txt |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
when downloading from github users often had the problem that github would name the folder authorname-modname-456f0e1 |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
and then it wouldn't run because you had to rename it to "modname" |
| 19:39 |
Krock |
or minetest-mod-fireflies-master |
| 19:39 |
Krock |
where even git clone didn't solve it |
| 19:39 |
orbea |
ah, i thought it only read the name in the description file, not the directory name |
| 19:40 |
Krock |
the server does not care about the description |
| 19:40 |
Krock |
it's only for the main menu information |
| 19:40 |
DS-minetest |
modPACK names don't matter afaik |
| 19:40 |
lmat |
I'm trying /giveme 'Power Crystal' and the error is "Cannot give empty item". When I /giveme Paraffin the error is "Cannot give unknown item". |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
hmm hmm yes this is very user unfriendly |
| 19:41 |
Krock |
giveme only works for items |
| 19:41 |
Krock |
not for item descriptions |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
you need to use the internal names such as default:dirt_with_grass |
| 19:41 |
lmat |
Krock: Where do I get item names? I'm looking at https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/basic-materials.html |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
so to grab the items you need I'd suggest just using the creative inventory |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
to show the item names on hover: client's minetest.conf: tooltip_append_itemname = true |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
I should delete that page, it's horribly outdated. |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
a wild VanessaE appeared |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
o/ hey |
| 19:42 |
lmat |
HEY! |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
hi. |
| 19:43 |
lmat |
/grant me creative seems to have helped. |
| 19:43 |
lmat |
VanessaE: It's the author \o/ wowie! |
| 19:43 |
lmat |
will you sign this? |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
heh. |
| 19:43 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: I wondered this the other day: which map backend do you use on your servers? postgres? or leveldb? |
| 19:43 |
lmat |
So excited to start home building \o/ |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
leveldb |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
interesting, I'd have expected postgres |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
and the sqlite backend for player meta |
| 19:45 |
sfan5 |
postgres has more opportunities for optimization with minetestmapper |
| 19:45 |
sfan5 |
but I guess you use leaftest anyway |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
meh, it works fine as it is :) |
| 19:46 |
lmat |
"ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "homedecor"" from the logs. hmm |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
lmat: homedecor underwent The Big Split a while back, you just need to update and "configure" your world. |
| 19:47 |
lmat |
VanessaE: I think you mistake me for someone who knows what he's doing ^_^ |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
did you put load_mod_homedecor = true in your world.mt or how did that happen? |
| 19:48 |
lmat |
Oh, I see lots of = false in the .wt I'll adjust it! |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
here's a tip to save you time sed '/^load_mod/s/false$/true/' -i world.mt |
| 19:49 |
lmat |
sfan5: I happen to know my way inside and outside of vim ^_^ |
| 19:49 |
VanessaE |
lmat: update your homedecor copy, then select a world, Configure, tell it to disable the whole modpack, then re-enable it. |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
if you install something multiple times, you'll get issues |
| 19:50 |
lmat |
rubenwardy: Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep my list sorted then. |
| 19:51 |
lmat |
unsatisfied dependencies ^_^ |
| 19:52 |
Krock |
!wq |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
what's a wq |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
he thinks he 's using vi |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 19:52 |
lmat |
:wq is "write then quit" in vim... :wq! will force write-then-quit ? |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
lmat: what deps are unsatisfied? |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
oh, then: weöten a help how do I get out M^C :wq! |
| 19:53 |
lmat |
VanessaE: basic materials for one. |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
!mod basic_materials |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/basic_materials/ |
| 19:53 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: Basic Materials [basic_materials] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=21000 |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
I anticipated it. ;) |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
ninjas these days.. it's so fast |
| 19:53 |
lmat |
Good because the minetest fora seem to be down. |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot does great linking to the forums while they are kinda broken |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
your API doesn't happen to store github links, does it Krock? |
| 19:54 |
Krock |
no problem. wayback machine |
| 19:54 |
Krock |
it stores git links |
| 19:54 |
Krock |
changing this temporary now |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
well I don't think you should change your api, it should just return both |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
then I can change the MinetestBot module |
| 19:57 |
lmat |
!mod unifieddyes |
| 19:57 |
MinetestBot |
lmat: Unified Dyes [unifieddyes] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2178 |
| 19:57 |
lmat |
Wasn't too hard to find the gitlab: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes ^_^ |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes |
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VanessaE |
yep, you found it :P |
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lmat |
Undeclared global variable "mesecon" accessed at ....minetest/mods/homedecor/homedecor_lighting/init.lua:864 |
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lmat |
and Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: homedecor:rope_light_on_floor_off -> homedecor:rope_light_on_floor_0 |
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lmat |
But that doesn't seem too bad :-) |
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Krock |
sfan5: "source" is now included in the JSON if it's one of the more often used services |
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VanessaE |
ignore them. |
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lmat |
Ooooooo, I see the amazing new things! |
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lmat |
spool of copper wire, nice. |
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lmat |
uncooked terracotta. Can't go wrong with that. |
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lmat |
Rock on VanessaE ! |
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lmat |
yes, my friends, that's a 3d printer. |
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sfan5 |
!mod worldedit |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: WorldEdit [worldedit] by sfan5 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=572 - https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
yep that's better |
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lmat |
weet! |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Clarify descriptions of dry grass, dry dirt 4243d28 https://git.io/JvALo (2020-04-06T20:03:57Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Weather mod: Tune cloud density variation 720b24e https://git.io/JvALi (2020-04-06T20:05:07Z) |
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VanessaE |
lmat: specifically, it's a depiction of a Prusa i3 MK1. :) |
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VanessaE |
(note to self: Add a Hypercube 3d printer also) |
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lmat |
Awesome ^_^ What do I do with the video game console? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] MoNTE48 -> minetest/minetest_game: Fire mod: Code cleanup, compress textures 03c9aed https://git.io/JvAL9 (2020-04-06T20:09:39Z) |
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VanessaE |
most of the stuff in the "computer" component is decorative |
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lmat |
cool |
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VanessaE |
but there is a Tetris arcade game |
| 20:12 |
lmat |
VanessaE: YEah, I think I saw that in the code ^_^ |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: is it safe to pull to HEAD on minetest_game and run that on MT 5.1.1 ? |
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sfan5 |
the only answer I can give from memory is "maybe" |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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VanessaE |
I'll just leave it where it is then :P |
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Extex |
What is the problem with the forums? |
| 21:38 |
Extex |
Like what is actually happening to the site? |
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IcyDiamond |
Extex: <@rubenwardy> "hardware" issues with the VPS it is hosted on |
| 21:52 |
Extex |
Oh ok |
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Extex |
How long until it's fixed? |
| 21:54 |
IcyDiamond |
Nobody knows for certain, unfortunately |
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Extex |
,'/ |
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sfan5 |
hmm adding this feature was a good idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7N5WAFoLLc |
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rubenwardy |
wow |
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DS-minetest |
Nice! |
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Extex |
Wow that's pretty cyool |
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DS-minetest |
what is the number? |
| 22:04 |
DS-minetest |
and how is the distance calculated |
| 22:04 |
DS-minetest |
? |
| 22:05 |
DS-minetest |
(distance player <-> cube and number for cubeapply) |
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sfan5 |
the brush isn't new by the way |
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sfan5 |
DS-minetest: the node found by raycast forms the center of a 20x20x20 cube, then //drain is called |
| 22:06 |
DS-minetest |
isn't such a far raycast expensive? |
| 22:07 |
DS-minetest |
ah, so number is sidelength of cube |
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nephele |
I wonder if the engine offers a way to stop the liquid simulation hmm |
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sfan5 |
well I don't notice any delay |
| 22:08 |
sfan5 |
but if you create an item with range = 150 you do get noticable lag due to raycast |
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sfan5 |
(because the client locks up during that time) |
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nephele |
Can probably re-register liquid nodes at startup time to look like liquid but not behave like it |
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* DS-minetest |
just made a new mod https://github.com/Desour/brainfuck_chatcommand but can't create forum topic >_< |
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orbea |
any recommendations on village mods? |
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DS-minetest |
the brush wants me to add many //s |
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DS-minetest |
maybe it will eventually work |
| 22:22 |
sfan5 |
you could use //cube with brushes before |
| 22:26 |
DS-minetest |
the /brush command confuses me //brush //cube 1 1 1 dirt doesn't work |
| 22:26 |
sfan5 |
drop the second // |
| 22:27 |
DS-minetest |
ah, thanks |
| 22:27 |
DS-minetest |
now I understand why it's saying to use //..., it wants the player to type that directly into chat |
| 22:28 |
DS-minetest |
that's not very intuitive |
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sfan5 |
huh? where does it say what? |
| 22:29 |
DS-minetest |
when I try to use //brush with some other command, it suggests to use // .. <that command> |
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sfan5 |
you mean this error message? https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit_brush/init.lua#L104 |
| 22:30 |
DS-minetest |
yes |
| 22:30 |
DS-minetest |
it could be improved |
| 22:31 |
DS-minetest |
i.e. see if it begins with /, if so tell to drop the /s |
| 22:31 |
DS-minetest |
(instead of suggesting ////bla) |
| 22:32 |
sfan5 |
you are misunderstanding the entire message |
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sfan5 |
is "//" .. cmd .. " cannot be used with brushes" clearer? |
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DS-minetest |
and in the current message say something like "this command doesn't work for brushes ..." |
| 22:32 |
DS-minetest |
yes |
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DS-minetest |
the "use: //bla" sounds like "use //bla as argument in the chatcommand you just typed" |
| 22:34 |
jonadab |
Hmm. Most of the existing textures that I've checked, are palette-indexed. How advantageous is it to palette-index new textures? |
| 22:35 |
jonadab |
They _work_ as 32-bit-per-pixel PNG images. |
| 22:35 |
DS-minetest |
jonadab: you can compare the file sizes |
| 22:35 |
jonadab |
Oh, right, the server has to send all those textures over the network to the client, doesn't it? Gotcha. |
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* DS-minetest |
wonders whether the off-by-one error is intended (eg. cubeapply with size 1 selects a cube with a sidlength of 2 nodes) |
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sfan5 |
!c math.floor(1/2), math.ceil(1/2) |
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MinetestBot |
(0, 1) |
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sfan5 |
hmm, no |
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DS-minetest |
!c 1/2 |
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MinetestBot |
0.5 |
| 22:43 |
DS-minetest |
aha, python3 makes a float here while python2 would say 0 |
| 22:45 |
sfan5 |
I just realized both "dirt with dry grass" and "dry dirt with dry grass" exist |
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DS-minetest |
but no dry dirt with grass |
| 22:50 |
DS-minetest |
btw. sfan5 is it still possible to somehow somewhere download your oil mod? |
| 22:52 |
sfan5 |
DS-minetest: here's whatever I had lying around as "oil1.1.2dev.zip" https://0x0.st/iud9.zip |
| 22:52 |
DS-minetest |
oh, thanks! ^_^ |
| 22:53 |
sfan5 |
doubt my code from 2012 will be very useful however |
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nephele |
oil mod? what should it do? :3 |
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DS-minetest |
nephele: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql387RhbWVE |
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sfan5 |
answer: nothing useful at all |
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nephele |
Well, maybe ideas... I have power generation via solar and coal generators already, i know roughly how buildcraft handld oil... maybe i can take some inspiration :) |
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Extex |
How does minetest.get_perlin(noiseparams) work? |
| 23:45 |
Extex |
Hello? |
| 23:45 |
Extex |
Does anybody know? XD |
| 23:52 |
jonadab |
It probably uses a perlin noise function. |
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jonadab |
HTH.HAND. |
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