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Miniontoby |
hello |
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Miniontoby |
Can some-one helps me with https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=24391 ?? |
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jonadab |
What on earth is a "rocket.chat server", and how is that in any way related to Minetest? |
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Corey[m] |
jonadab: Rocket.Chat is an open source chat service, as it's name implies, I believe he wishes to integrate the ingame chat with it, I could be wrong since I haven't looked at the post |
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swedneck |
adds a point of failure and makes it more complex, but i can't see any better option other than just making a direct minetest-rocketchat bridge |
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jonadab |
Either that, or add Bitlbee modules for both of them. |
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jonadab |
That's slightly more involved, but it gets you a bunch of other chat protocols "for free". |
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jonadab |
But really, just use IRC. |
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jonadab |
In principle, IRC is old and out of date and it ought to be possible to design a better system. But every time someone tries, the result is crap. |
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Calinou |
it's the democracy of chat systems :^) |
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Ingar |
IRC is an open protocol, all those new chat solutions are just apps |
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Ingar |
discord *cough* |
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jonadab |
I mean, Jabber is an open protocol. |
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jonadab |
But chat systems based on Jabber are still always horrible. |
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jonadab |
I don't think this is Jabber's fault. |
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Ingar |
people use facebook. 'nuff said |
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jonadab |
I think it's something fundamental about implementing a new chat system, when existing chat systems abound already, some law of nature that prevents anyone from doing an actual good job on it. |
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jonadab |
IRC is exempt because it was implemented before existing chat systems were numerous. (Some existed, but they were few and simple.) |
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mmuller |
chalk it up to second system syndrome. |
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jonadab |
Eh, that doesn't really cover it. Second-system effect gives you bloated, overengineered, overhyped, buggy, and sometimes incomplete systems. But it doesn't give you systems whose design fundamentally doesn't allow most of the useful features from the original system. |
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erlehmann |
jonadab, xmpp is actually pretty good. a lot of in-game chats use xmpp and i have never seen better stream management. think: 3 minutes of radio silence because the train is in a tunnel and it still delivers all messages afterwards. |
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jonadab |
In-game chat is a special, very limited case, because each user is only ever going to be in exactly one channel. |
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jonadab |
And you don't want to have much UI, because the user is mainly supposed to be playing the game. |
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mmuller |
the big promise of XMPP was interoperability between different providers. Needless to say, that didn't work out :-P |
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mmuller |
the protocol itself, as a full XML protocol, was a bear to deal with |
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mmuller |
(been there, done that) |
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mmuller |
Matrix is arguably a lot friendlier as JSON over HTTP, but the full protocol is still huge |
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mmuller |
it abstracts away person to person communication as a special case of a chatroom |
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mmuller |
and last time I tried it, end-to-end encryption was kind of a mess |
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rschulman |
Yeah, end-to-end has come a long way in the last 6 weeks or so. |
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rschulman |
And even further over the past year. |
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mmuller |
good to hear |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest_game: player_api: Prevent knockback when player is set as attached fbbc7fc https://git.io/JvXRk (2020-03-17T21:08:36Z) |
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