IRC log for #minetest, 2019-09-11

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02:54	Harindu	hi guys
02:54	Harindu	is minetest playable?
02:55	NathanS21	playable on what?
02:55	Harindu	like playable as a game
02:56	NathanS21	Yes, though you may find it basic. Adding some mods will add a lot to the game.
02:56	NathanS21	The ingame content browser makes that really easy.
02:56	Harindu	how about multiplayer stuff?
02:57	NathanS21	There are plenty of good servers to play on.
02:57	NathanS21	Creative, survival, puzzle games.
02:57	NathanS21	There is a little bit of everything. :)
02:57	Harindu	:) how many people would be online at a time?
02:57	NathanS21	That would all depend on what server. I couldn't really give you any numbers.
02:58	NathanS21	http://servers.minetest.net/
02:58	Harindu	Cool. I would try it out then
02:58	NathanS21	List of all the servers, with player information, mods, descriptions, etc.
03:00	Harindu	yeah thats nice
03:00	Harindu	it seems we have around 180 players online
03:00	Harindu	Thanks a lot.
03:00	Harindu	See ya
03:01	NathanS21	You're welcome.
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06:06	diginet	hey, how do you grant privs to pre-existing users?
06:07	diginet	and also where is auth.txt stored?
06:27	ANAND	diginet: You can grant privs to existing users by using the /grant chat-command
06:27	ANAND	/grant <name> <priv>
06:28	diginet	ANAND: if I try and do this it says that I don't have the privilege to do so
06:28	ANAND	Then grant yourself the "privs" priv first, by doing /grantme privs
06:29	ANAND	Wait, that wouldn't work, sorry
06:29	diginet	it says "your privileges are insufficient"
06:29	diginet	yeah
06:29	ANAND	Are you hosting a server, or you're playing singleplayer?
06:29	diginet	is there a baked in admin user
06:29	diginet	or something
06:30	diginet	hosting a server
06:30	diginet	I have a debian VPS I run the server on
06:30	ANAND	Ok
06:31	ANAND	So you can try adding `name = <name_of_admin>` to minetest.conf
06:31	ANAND	The server's minetest.conf, that is
06:32	diginet	ok so e.g. name = diginet would make diginet an admin user?
06:32	ANAND	Yes
06:33	ANAND	The admin can then grant the 'privs' priv to those who can grant privs to other players
06:33	ANAND	Or the admin can directly grant the privs to those players
06:34	diginet	okay perfect thanks!
06:34	ANAND	Glad to help :)
06:34	diginet	that worked perfectly, thank you ANAND
06:35	ANAND	Your welcome, and good luck
06:40	diginet	ANAND: one other question, how would I list all registered users and delete ones?
06:46	Sketch2	https://sqlitebrowser.org
06:46	Sketch2	then open /minetest/worlds/Name_of_Wold/players.sqlite
06:47	Sketch2	you'll have to figure out what to do from there. rtfm
06:47	Sketch2	I'm not to blame if ya screw it up. so make a backup
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07:49	ANAND	diginet: There's no way to get a list of all registered players from within MT
07:49	ANAND	If your mod or game required this functionality, then you might want to redesign it
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12:17	minetest	jesus
12:17	minetest	this was a long tie ago
12:17	minetest	i was here
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14:26	diginet	ANAND: oh I just meant that I had redundant users made
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15:21	ANAND	diginet: Right, I think I misunderstood what you were asking.
15:21	ANAND	Do you want a list of all associated names for a particular player?
15:22	ANAND	If so, you can look into ban manager mods like xban2 and sban.
15:24	ANAND	Ofc, they'll only be able to work on names that were used after these mods have been deployed. Player names registered before a ban manager was installed can't be listed, unless the names are used again, once the ban manager is installed.
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16:57	diginet	anyone have issues trying to serve minetest with a domain name?
17:00	rubenwardy	no
17:00	rubenwardy	make sure to enable ipv6 if your server has support for
17:00	rubenwardy	also
17:00	rubenwardy	!up rubenwardy.com 30001
17:00	MinetestBot	rubenwardy.com:30001 is up (89ms)
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17:43	Krock	mmh one of my old mods broke
17:43	Krock	thanks stairs
17:43	sfan5	wot
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17:46	Krock	or it's moreblocks... hmm global 'register_stair_slab_panel_micro' (a nil value)
17:47	Krock	ah yes. used to be a public function but was made private
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18:00	Krock	!up ente.kak.si 34617
18:00	MinetestBot	ente.kak.si:34617 is up (122ms)
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18:39	hisforever	has anyone used the angledglass. I can't find a pain that works with angled glass, is there any?
18:40	Krock	!mod angledglass
18:40	MinetestBot	Krock: There are no results for this query :(
18:40	hisforever	thanks Krock
18:41	sfan5	?
18:47	Krock	tried to look up information in the mod, but apparently no result is also enough of an answer..
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20:04	Sketch2	was it just glass in a table-saw
20:12	Sketch2	hisforever, try the circular saw in moreblocks -- https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks
20:13	Sketch2	oh. sleepy, didn't realize he left already. maybe he'll see it eventually
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21:21	SusWombat	Hi
21:21	SusWombat	Im new to minetest. And i have 2 questions. Are the desktop and android version on par? And do both have the same "mod" support?
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21:45	Sketch2	yea, the server runs on a desktop. mobile users just log into it
21:46	Sketch2	assuming it has enough power to run the game, then it'll do fine with the mods
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21:48	AlexYst	I've built a model and applied a texture in Blender. I've set that model as a mesh in Minetest and set a texture in Minetest as well. However, the node made from the mesh is somehow all black. Any ideas how I would debug that?
21:51	AlexYst	Oh. Huh. I just noticed the node is correctly textured as an item in my hand, just not when placed. Never mind, it's probably some sort of lighting issue. That should be a lot easier to solve.
21:52	AlexYst	There we go. I set "param" to "light" in the definition of the node, not "paramtype". My bad.
21:54	AlexYst	Sweet, that worked. The node still looks stupid, but now, it's only because I'm a bad designer, and not an actual technical issue.
21:57	Sketch2	sometimes ya have to flip normals, or reverse the X axis on those
21:59	AlexYst	I'm glad I took a course on 3D graphics last term, or I would have no idea what normals were. I really have no idea what I'm doing in Blender.
21:59	AlexYst	Thanks for the tip! If I run into other issues of the textures not showing up correctly, I'll look into how to flip the normals or the axes.
22:01	AlexYst	I also noticed that if I set a solid-colour material in Blender, Minetest ignores it. For the solid-colour part of the model, I need to install the GIMP so I can create a single-pixel texture, which I find kind of funny.
22:01	AlexYst	I thought I already had the GIMP installed, but I've been having so many issues on this machine, that I had to reinstall the system at one point, and that lost me my installed applications.
22:16	AlexYst	Okay, I now have the model in Blender set to use two textures, one for each of two components. In Minetest, I have two tiles configured. However, Minetest is using the first tile image as the texture for both components. Any idea how to fix that? Or in Minetest limited to a single texture for a mesh?
22:16	Sketch2	in the definition, you input a list of the textures
22:17	Sketch2	I believe if you use 1 texture, it uses that fore all faces. if you input 2, then it uses the 1st for top and bottom, then the other for all sides
22:17	Sketch2	tif you define 3 textures, top, bottom, sides
22:17	Sketch2	tthen you can also specify all 6, but I don't recall the order of operations on that. you'd have to look it up
22:19	AlexYst	I've listed two textures though, and only one is getting used. The texture order you listed applies to cubes, according to the doc, not meshes though. Meshes don't really have a "top" image.
22:20	Sketch2	well, you've UV mapped it as a cube?
22:21	AlexYst	I UV mapped one structure as an unwraped object ant the other as ... I don't know what you'd call it, but all sides use the full texture.
22:21	fluxflux	Hello folks. The docs for minetest.get_modpath() indicates that it should return the path for a mod that's installed but not enabled; however, it seems to return "nil" in such cases. I'm trying to help someone debug an issue where that does seem to be happening, somehow, and I can't figure out how to replicate it. Anyone have any ideas?
22:21	AlexYst	A second texture.
22:21	AlexYst	Minetest is doing the unwraping/full texture thing correctly, but using the first texture as both textures.
22:22	AlexYst	fluxflux: That's odd behaviour. Why would the path of an installed mod be returned if it's not enabled?
22:22	AlexYst	My guess is that the doc is wrong there, not the behaviour.
22:23	fluxflux	AlexYst: that's what the docs say it does, and i've been "corrected" for relying on that behavior before
22:23	fluxflux	by people more knowledgeable than I.
22:23	AlexYst	Huh. What are you trying to do with that, anyway? Maybe there's another way we can do it.
22:24	fluxflux	Well, I'm helping someone who's got some sort of issue involving two mods: one optionally depends on the other
22:24	fluxflux	The one w/ the optional dependency, checks for the presence of the other using get_modpath(), which shouldn't be reliable, but I can't actually replicate the failure the other person is seeing.
22:25	Sketch2	yea, it'll only return paths for mods that are enabled
22:25	AlexYst	fluxflux: I'm not sure what the other person is seeing, but is sounds like there's something wrong on their end. Any chance of getting a debug log?
22:26	Sketch2	get_modpath() is likely just getting the root folder for the original mod, then trying to traverse dirs from there
22:27	fluxflux	https://dev.minetest.net/get_modpath
22:28	fluxflux	of course, that could be outdated, or wrong. i'll look into the source..
22:28	Sketch2	yea, that's what I was saying. it's not gonna tell ya if there's another added.
22:29	fluxflux	there's another what added?
22:29	AlexYst	Huh. The open chests from default have the behaviour I'm looking for, but with six images, instead of two. When I apply the chest model to my node definition, both my images get used, too. Maybe something's wrong with my model somehow.
22:29	Sketch2	you can't load mods from other dirs that way, only modules in subdirs
22:30	AlexYst	Sketch2: The goal is to see if the mod is enabled, so as to run code that depends on that mod's presence.
22:30	AlexYst	That function returns nil if the mod isn't installed, so a lot of modders use it for conditional logic.
22:31	Sketch2	OK, well it tells ya the answer right there in that page you linked.
22:31	Sketch2	use global_exists() instead -- https://dev.minetest.net/minetest.global_exists
22:31	AlexYst	The problem is that on the other person's system, it seems to be returning the wrong answer if the mod is installed, but disabled.
22:31	fluxflux	Sketch2: the problem is that not all mods declare globals
22:32	fluxflux	Sketch2: that's certainly a solution for this specific issue, but i'm trying to understand what's going on more generally
22:32	Sketch2	the mods gonna have a namespace to exist
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22:36	fluxflux	no, mods can just create items or register callbacks etc. anyway, this is getting to be tangential...
22:37	Sketch2	is he in the right world? it should return anything if it hasn't been loaded
22:37	Sketch2	another mod w. a similar name?
22:38	fluxflux	the problem the other player is seeing: get_modpath() returns a value, but the expected global variable doesn't exist
22:38	fluxflux	clearly, we can fix this by just doing a global_exists check. but i'm trying to figure out just how reliable get_modpath actually is
22:40	Sketch2	it isn't. the wiki specifically states "Note: This function returns the path regardless of whether the mod is selected and loaded in the game-play."
22:40	fluxflux	Sketch2: except I can't actually figure out how to make that happen
22:40	fluxflux	i don't know what weird thing this other person is doing for this behavior to show up
22:40	Sketch2	which is it? it IS returning or it ISN'T
22:40	fluxflux	Sketch2: it's returning for him, and not for me
22:41	fluxflux	and so far as i can tell, we're using the same version of minetest/mtg
22:41	Sketch2	oh. uh, different OS'es?
22:41	fluxflux	different flavors of linux, but that shouldn't matter
22:42	Sketch2	ownership of the dirs might, but that's likely not the issue
22:42	fluxflux	sorry, i admit i'm not being as clear as possible right now, kind of sick and brain's foggy.
22:42	Sketch2	it's OK. I get what'chrr saying
22:42	fluxflux	i think i'm just going to poke into the code internals and see if i can figure out what's happening
22:44	Sketch2	some of them are followed with the suffix -master when d/l'ed from GitHub
22:45	Sketch2	the dir might exist as a different name, especially with the new method of defining individual mod .conf's to specify internal game name
23:04	swift110	hey all
23:09	AlexYst	Hey swift110!
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23:22	swift110	how are you AlexYst
23:27	riff-IRC	Hi swift110\
23:27	riff-IRC	Hi swift110
23:29	swift110-phone__	Hey riff-IRC proller
23:31	fluxflux	Just an update on my issue, from reading the source code for 5.0.1 and HEAD:master, get_modpath() will only return a path for mods that have already been loaded, or will be loaded, for the current server process. it should never return a non-nil value for a mod that's disabled. As such, I've asked the 3rd party I'm helping to supply a whole lot more information, cuz something weird is going on for them.
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23:48	AlexYst	swift110-phone__: Not great. It feels like I'm getting hit with frustration from every side. At the moment, I'm trying to figure out how to use the most obnoxious laptop I've ever had the displeasure of working with. It's got no right or middle mouse buttons, for starters, which is making it very difficult to work in Blender and makes it less fun to play Minetest.
23:48	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Add initial environmental sounds mod with flowing water sounds ea992bd https://git.io/JemyI (2019-09-11T23:46:40Z)
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