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norkle |
heya swift110-phone__ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Remove unnecessary dependency on 'default' 9fe877e https://git.io/fjMzG (2019-07-21T02:24:47Z) |
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pmp-p |
hi, what about "RPC" status in https://dev.minetest.net/Client_scripting_plans ? |
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pmp-p |
hmm wrong chan sorry |
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tacotexmex |
Hello Wuzzy |
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Wuzzy |
O HAI |
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Micasik22 |
hello |
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Krock |
hi |
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nepugia |
Good day |
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gpcf |
hi |
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gpcf |
I got a problem with lua |
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Krock |
hi |
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gpcf |
my advtrains database grew to big to handle, is there any way to increase the size of the constants table above 2^16 or 2^18? |
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Krock |
oof |
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Krock |
how about splitting the data? |
| 15:39 |
Krock |
that must be an insanely bug table |
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Krock |
*big |
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gpcf |
then good luck in splitting it |
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gpcf |
it's just 2MB |
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Krock |
Lua or LuaJIT? try the other kind |
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Krock |
else you'd need to change its source code to raise the limit |
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gpcf |
LuaJIT |
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gpcf |
with GC64 |
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Krock |
2^18 is a very odd number, whereas 2^16 would rather be the limit |
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Krock |
so windows |
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gpcf |
2^18 is the limit in lua |
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gpcf |
luajit has 16 bit |
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gpcf |
I'm on linux |
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Krock |
oh, I thought gc64 didn't work on linux |
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gpcf |
if I cannot raise the limit I must say lua is unusable for any complex project |
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Krock |
*luajit |
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gpcf |
lua < 5.2 |
| 15:42 |
Krock |
2¹⁸ in Lua means that it can be extended |
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gpcf |
it seems to only have been fixed in 5.2 |
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Krock |
whereas 2^16 is apparently an integer limitation |
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Krock |
I'm not familiar with these constants. Does any key and value in a table increase that count? |
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gpcf |
it seems so |
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gpcf |
http://lua.2524044.n2.nabble.com/constant-table-overflow-td6338093.html |
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gpcf |
that script creates a table that won't get loaded |
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gpcf |
I'm feeling advtrains won't run again on my server |
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gpcf |
unless I do rewrite it in C |
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Krock |
went into reading minilua.c from LuaJIT but that formatting is awful |
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Krock |
it's built from the source code, but yet no other occurence for that error |
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gpcf |
hmm |
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gpcf |
does minetest work with lua 5.2? |
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gpcf |
if yes, does it perform? |
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Krock |
no, it won't compile |
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gpcf |
meh |
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gpcf |
then I guess advtrains will have to be rewritten |
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gpcf |
because there is no way around this issue |
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gpcf |
splitting the table will run into the same issue, only delayed |
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Krock |
load&unload, if that's even possible |
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gpcf |
how? |
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gpcf |
what's that? |
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nepugia |
luajit doesn't target lua 5.2 |
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gpcf |
f*cking s*it |
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gpcf |
I guess the trains won't run again |
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Nezrok |
!cmd kick gpcf Mind your tongue |
| 15:57 |
Nezrok |
Oh |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
wrong channel |
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Nezrok |
Wrong room |
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Nezrok |
:p |
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Krock |
these ninjas |
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Nezrok |
Hahaha |
| 15:58 |
Krock |
oh now I get why it's not possible to load it incrementally. all trains are forceloaded |
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gpcf |
yeah, they all run |
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gpcf |
but, imho, a language that only supports 2¹⁶ is unusable for any serious projects |
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nepugia |
how so? ;) |
| 16:01 |
gpcf |
very very limited |
| 16:01 |
nepugia |
If you know the restrictions your language has you can build nice stuff regardless |
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nepugia |
luajit seams to be stalled, or very slow anyhow |
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nepugia |
last release was in 2017 |
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gpcf |
does anyone know about lua 5.2? |
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gpcf |
are there efforts to port minetest to 5.2? |
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nepugia |
I doubt that minetest will support lua 5.2 unless luajit does so first, or there is a luajit fork that supports it |
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gpcf |
I just talked with orwell |
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gpcf |
I guess we will port advtrains to C |
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* gpcf |
would like to swear, but doesn't find swear words strong enough to express his emotions |
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nepugia |
develop on luajit? :) |
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Krock |
either luajit improves (probably never) or lua improves in terms of speed (future visions) |
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Krock |
but either must happen before we either drop luajit support or bump the Lua version to 5.2+ |
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gpcf |
I think we'll write advtrainsd |
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gpcf |
a separate daemon handling all train movement |
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gpcf |
would also remove performance bottlenecks, leaving precious CPU time for other mods |
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gpcf |
has json_encode got the same problem? |
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gpcf |
hi |
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gpcf |
it seems that the advtrains issue might be solvable |
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Krock |
json_encode also uses lua tables and values, so I don't see how it changes anything |
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gpcf |
oh |
| 17:45 |
gpcf |
hmm |
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Krock |
except that it does an extra lap through C->C++ |
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gpcf |
wait |
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gpcf |
If I understand it correctly, the problem with serialize is that it creates a huge lua function |
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gpcf |
right? |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
not sure if that's a problem but yes that's what happens |
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sfan5 |
gpcf: you can load native modules from lua, so you could move the code working with the excess data to C/C++ |
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Krock |
^ but would still need to call minetest functions through Lua |
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Krock |
or is there a linker trick I'm not aware of? |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
well you get a lua handle and can manually call the api from your C/C++ code |
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sfan5 |
you might be able to find the original routes using dlsym but that would be annoying and error-prone |
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sfan5 |
routines |
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sfan5 |
* |
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Krock |
yes, but you'll need to pass all values to lua first, so that they can be read out by Minetest again (no lua code involved, though) |
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gpcf |
sfan5: is there a tutorial for how to use C from Lua? |
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gpcf |
or any mod that uses it, so I can look into it |
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sfan5 |
i'm sure there are plenty on google |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
https://github.com/SmallJoker/NyisBot/blob/master/plugins/PLUGIN_API.txt#L138 |
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sfan5 |
ah, even better |
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Krock |
very basic example |
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Krock |
afterwards you can compile that and move into the lua path in minetest to require() it |
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Krock |
requires insecure mod env, though. |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
or adjust the lua path to load it directly from your mod directory |
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gpcf |
oh |
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gpcf |
so you can load compiled modules from the mod directory? |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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gpcf |
with mod security? |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
with a mod security exception for you mod |
| 17:55 |
gpcf |
yeah, right |
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Krock |
*for your |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
will there ever be pirate speak and lolcat translations for minetest? |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
kingon first |
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Krock |
+l |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
lol |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
what about lojban? |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
and pretty soon there's gonna be a Krill language from The Orville |
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Soo_Slow |
hello there. Does anybody know if its possible to mod the textures of inventory and crafting menu? Like - its super ugly in vanilla, but thus far I've only seen people altering active equipment tab (the one, accessible via number keys). I wonder why |
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sfan5 |
of course |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
Soo_Slow, make an LCARS GUI for minetest |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
lol |
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puzzlecube |
Sorry if I am butting in but has anyone compiled Minetest on NetBSD? Seems cmake doesn't know pkg* directories by default and isn't finding anything installed by them. |
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gorilla |
CopenBra[m]: Interesting idea. It would be a good April 1st gag. |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
Really? Thank you |
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DoyleChris |
good day everybody |
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Copenhagen_Bram |
good day DoyleChris oy |
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DoyleChris |
question about Linux |
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DoyleChris |
is there a debian version that is a stand alone with the server |
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DoyleChris |
i have Mint Linux running and i would like to get a Linux server running |
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DoyleChris |
but i would like to do it from the command line |
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DoyleChris |
well im trying to compile it |
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DoyleChris |
no help the one line dosent work |
