IRC log for #minetest, 2019-04-11

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00:00	p_gimeno	well, you need a base game, something that provides the basic functions (be it minetest game or any other)
00:01	p_gimeno	but yes, you can copy the base game, then add the mods to the mods folder of the game
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00:04	FlyingGarlic	but i still wouldnt be able to have multiples with overlaping sets of mods, without the symlink you mentioned ?
00:04	p_gimeno	while the mods are in the mods directory, you'll have problems
00:05	FlyingGarlic	kk.
00:05	p_gimeno	MT is designed so that only one mod with one particular name exists, and when that doesn't happen, it tries to resolve the conflict and sometimes it does it wrong, or it just doesn't
00:09	FlyingGarlic	i checked out subgame mineclone2. it has a diferent type of inventory window that has tabs with different categories of items. Very nice feature. would be so nice if i could have that in dreambuilder. Anyone know why dreambuilder doesnt have this and what mod provides this functionality ?
00:12	p_gimeno	minetest game doesn't define any item categories; mods made for it don't have any categories either, so it's not possible to have that in MT game or mods based on it
00:12	FlyingGarlic	ok i see.
00:13	FlyingGarlic	is dreambuilder generaly used with mt subgame or is it often used with various other sub games ?
00:13	p_gimeno	I don't think it will work with anything other than MT but VanessaE can answer that better
00:16	FlyingGarlic	ok i see. are most mods generaly only used with the mt sub game ?
00:16	p_gimeno	yes
00:17	FlyingGarlic	Ah
00:18	p_gimeno	Wuzzy has created a thread dedicated to mods that can be used with MCL2: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=20935
00:19	Wuzzy	no
00:19	Wuzzy	i did not create this thread :P
00:19	p_gimeno	apologies
00:24	FlyingGarlic	ah ok i see, i will take a look, lots more research to do, thanks so much for pointing me in fruitfull directions!
00:31	p_gimeno	you're very welcome :)
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02:12	p_gimeno	cheapie: where should I send bug reports about digistuff?
02:24	p_gimeno	anyway it's simple, I get a crash in in init.lua, the http line should be: local http = minetest.request_http_api and minetest.request_http_api()
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02:47	VanessaE	p_gimeno: you are correct re: dreambuilder. it's only meant to run on top of mtg, and 5.x at that.
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06:27	Emerald2	Is it possible to make the moreblocks circular saw cut planks from other tree mods?
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08:21	Niwla23	How to write in dev channel?
08:22	ANAND	Get a real IRC client - web clients are not allowed to speak in #-dev
08:22	ANAND	Real, as in installed clients. e.g. HexChat, HexChat, and HexChat
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08:25	Niwla23	hello
08:25	Niwla23	can you see the message?
08:28	ANAND	No I can't. :^)
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08:59	Emerald2	wb Niwla
09:00	Niwla	Hello
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09:00	Niwla	How to use the mod translations?
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09:04	Niwla	who can give me write permission on hub and dev?
09:06	Emerald2	You need to ask one of the moderators in those channels.
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09:17	Emerald2	I'd say ask Shara or ruben.
09:17	Emerald2	At this time of day.
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09:21	ANAND	Anyone can write in #-dev if they're using a normal desktop IRC client
09:23	Emerald2	Ahhh. In hub at least they have to ask.
09:23	ANAND	But chatting in #-hub requires voice, and $hara is the one to go to.
09:23	ANAND	Yea
09:24	cheapie	[21:24:43] <p_gimeno> anyway it's simple, I get a crash in in init.lua, the http line should be: local http = minetest.request_http_api and minetest.request_http_api()
09:25	cheapie	Are you running this on some old MT version or something?
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09:26	Niwla	How to change the nickname list in hexchat
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09:30	ANAND	/nick <new_nick>
09:32	Niwla23	Now i can write in dev, i had to login in irc
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11:31	p_gimeno	cheapie: 5.1.0-dev master with MTG master. Also happens in 5.0.0.
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11:34	p_gimeno	cheapie: it might be related to the fact that I'm compiling with cURL disabled
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14:46	p_gimeno	cheapie: definitely it's because I have curl disabled, https://notabug.org/pgimeno/minetest/src/master/src/script/lua_api/l_http.cpp#L38 disables it when USE_CURL is false
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14:59	Daisae	Where did https://github.com./minetest-mods/blox go ? Or what happened to it? Did something change for it because of Minetest 5 ?
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15:02	rubenwardy	Daisae: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/blox
15:03	Daisae	Thanks
15:47	sofar	Wuzzy: I just need some time this weekend to go over line by line and take out the text changes I do like (which is a bunch of them)
15:47	Wuzzy	heh
15:48	sofar	and the sort ordering, heh, I never knew lol
15:48	Wuzzy	didn'T you write the creative mod?
15:48	sofar	it's derivative though
15:49	Wuzzy	from MTG?
15:49	sofar	well, it's mostly trivial api usage
15:49	Wuzzy	i see
15:49	sofar	it's maybe half-half if I remember it
15:51	Wuzzy	btw QA-block is very helpful for finding bugs like missing sounds :)
15:51	sofar	I use the inspector a lot
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15:51	Wuzzy	can it edit nodes or is it read-only?
15:52	sofar	I've wanted to make it more interactive, never had the time
15:53	Wuzzy	i also wrote a half-arsed mod like this a while ago but its very bare bones
15:53	Wuzzy	doesnt even support meta yet XD
15:53	sofar	inspector dumps meta, node inventory and formspecs
15:54	sofar	it also does work on entities but doesn't show much yet
15:54	sofar	I should really make a tabbed interface that allows editing
15:54	Wuzzy	itb seems very paranoid about entities
15:54	sofar	it is :)
15:55	sofar	it was one of the early design constraints I put in place
15:55	Wuzzy	entities in MT still suck so much imo
15:55	sofar	we basically said: only entities for text signs
15:55	Wuzzy	and i dont just mean the performance. the entire api is such ... wtf
15:56	Wuzzy	i think the reason why all mobs mod suck is because entities suck
15:57	rubenwardy	entities do suck
15:57	Wuzzy	for instance, entities and players are very similar yet so different. there are many features that would make sense for both but its only available for one of them
15:57	rubenwardy	easily my least favourite part of the API
15:57	rubenwardy	that or detached inventories
15:58	Wuzzy	those are strong contenders
15:58	sofar	lol
15:58	sofar	brb espresso
15:59	Wuzzy	but detached inventories are a neccessary evil, they're useful for magic chests
15:59	Wuzzy	but i agree the api is pretty wtf
15:59	Wuzzy	i think collision of entitiy seems also kind of broken. not sure about that
15:59	p_gimeno	Wuzzy: magic chests?
16:00	Wuzzy	ender chests...
16:00	Wuzzy	i.e. chests that give you access to a global inventory
16:00	p_gimeno	well, http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2019-04-06#i_5525394
16:00	Wuzzy	anyway
16:01	Wuzzy	hmmmm
16:01	Wuzzy	wait a minute
16:01	Wuzzy	haha
16:01	Wuzzy	oh wait
16:02	Wuzzy	no, in MCL2 I don't use detached inventory for enderchests either. i am dumb
16:02	Wuzzy	when i think about it, it makes more sense to just use it as a new player inventory list
16:02	Wuzzy	ender chest was the wrong analogy
16:02	p_gimeno	detached inventory is useful for e.g. creative inventory
16:03	Wuzzy	yeah or a truly global inventory not "attached" to a node or player
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16:03	p_gimeno	I'm curious though, what would you change in entities, besides vectors (which I think are a huge issue)?
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16:03	Wuzzy	idk, i dont know how they work internally
16:04	Wuzzy	but the player<->entity discrepancies is one of the first things to attack
16:05	Wuzzy	the reason why mods are so annoying to implement is that entities lack crucial features that players have, like gravity, breath, etc. a mob mod must re-implement that all
16:05	Wuzzy	i'm not saying all entities should be automatically subject to gravity, however, just pointing out a restriction
16:06	rubenwardy	breath and health are two things that are annoyingly hardcoded in the engine
16:06	Wuzzy	please don't steal them :(
16:07	Wuzzy	I don't want laggy health and breath handling. that would be a major step backwards
16:08	rubenwardy	if moving such things into Lua would make them slow, then we've failed as an engine
16:08	sofar	I wonder if it's not easier to just forego the entire built in health/breath and soft-code your own health
16:08	Wuzzy	i am worried that you core devs are too aggressive in removing core functionality because "mods can implement them". sorry, thats not always as simple as that
16:08	rubenwardy	removing core functionality is the best way to allow more functionality
16:08	kurtzmusch	i agree in removing health
16:09	sofar	well, let me explain
16:09	kurtzmusch	also remove bubbles
16:09	rubenwardy	because by moving it to a mod, you're necessating that core hooks being exposed to allow the feature be implemented in the first place
16:09	sofar	take mobs
16:09	sofar	right now if you kill a mob
16:09	rubenwardy	Minetest doesn't do this enough really
16:09	sofar	poof, gone
16:09	sofar	no corpse animation, dying
16:09	rubenwardy	well, it does it wrong
16:09	sofar	just some hard coded smoke
16:10	rubenwardy	it says "do it in a mod" but then doesn't expose enough hooks for it
16:10	Wuzzy	you can remove the hardcoded smoke, however
16:10	sofar	but you'd have to spawn a new corpse entity
16:10	Wuzzy	why not keeping the builtin health/breath but making it optional?
16:10	Wuzzy	health is just to important to remove it from minetest
16:11	Wuzzy	also, such a step needs to be done with great care because you risk creating dependency hell
16:11	sofar	the concept is important, but I don't see why you couldn't handle it better in lua
16:11	sofar	with much more possibilities
16:12	Wuzzy	what i mean with "dependency hell" is that if its done wrong, a mod can no longer simply call "set_hp" but must now hard-depend on a game or mod which destroys flexibility
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16:12	rubenwardy	yeah, that is true
16:12	Wuzzy	i would favor a solution that relies on implementing something like Java interfaces
16:13	Wuzzy	something like that is already done with minetest.is_protected
16:13	Wuzzy	this is good as you can safely support protection without having to worry at all about the underlying protection system
16:13	rubenwardy	or minetest.get_auth_handler()
16:14	rubenwardy	minetest.is_protected() is a bad API imo
16:14	sofar	we've talked about replacing it
16:14	rubenwardy	would be better to have minetest.get_protector() which returns a table with methods like is_protected, get_owners, get_primary_owner, get_info, etc
16:14	Wuzzy	maybe, but the idea behind the "reimplement that function" is still ok, no?
16:15	Wuzzy	so what wwould be the default health handling? no health at all?
16:15	rubenwardy	the problem with health is that it needs client-side prediction a lot more than the other things
16:15	Wuzzy	What really should be killed off in the engine would be the settings "damage_enabled" and "creative_mode". its very annoying those are global settings, and not per-player
16:15	rubenwardy	I agree with that
16:16	sofar	and switch to a newer, maintained version of lua
16:17	Wuzzy	Lua 5.3???? YESSSSSssssssssssssss
16:17	sofar	and fix shaders, z sorting
16:17	Wuzzy	YESSsssssssssssSSSsssssSSSsssss
16:17	rubenwardy	LuaJit doesn't support 5.3 :)
16:17	Wuzzy	NoooooooOooOoo
16:17	rubenwardy	we really need someoen that can do graphics
16:17	sofar	hmm, we probably should stick to luajit
16:17	p_gimeno	switch to Lua 5.3 and you've killed servers
16:17	sofar	maybe deprecate lua and require luajit
16:17	Wuzzy	you mean, to replace the horrible main menu? :)
16:17	rubenwardy	but then OOM
16:18	rubenwardy	and LuaJit isn't maintained
16:18	rubenwardy	Wuzzy: well, that doesn't need a graphics person
16:18	rubenwardy	I could do it
16:18	rubenwardy	but I won't, because I'm not a masochist :)
16:18	sofar	jp did that
16:18	rubenwardy	sapier's code is kinda horrible
16:19	rubenwardy	although, tbh - it wouldn't be that hard to improve it a lot
16:19	Wuzzy	i had several ideas for a main menu floating in my head but i never finished
16:19	rubenwardy	just add a new intro screen with buttons, and then a background and theming
16:19	Wuzzy	imo main menu would be best done from scratch. there is jsut too much wrong
16:19	Wuzzy	i dont even know where to start!
16:21	rubenwardy	somewhere
16:21	rubenwardy	start somewhere
16:21	Wuzzy	a lot of precious screen space is wasted. its just empty. many buttons are crammed. the controls menu is based on code that is YEARS old. the theme colors are kind of ugly. tabbed interface. incorrect font (no monospace). tiny font. and so on...
16:22	rubenwardy	a lot of those can be fixed fairly easily
16:22	Wuzzy	the whole menu structure is kind of messy, too. its unlike most other games (bad inconsistency)
16:22	rubenwardy	I agree
16:22	Wuzzy	not the tabbed interface thing, however.
16:22	Wuzzy	that would mean a major redesign
16:22	rubenwardy	you can hide the tabs and add a new intro page
16:22	Wuzzy	the main menu cannot be fixed just by a few minor tweaks, sorry
16:23	Wuzzy	what Freeminer did was pretty nice
16:23	rubenwardy	that was pre-Lua mainmenu, no?
16:23	Wuzzy	no
16:23	Wuzzy	Freemienr actually did their homework and made a good main menu
16:23	Wuzzy	too bad Freeminer is dead and still GPLv3'ed
16:24	Wuzzy	tbh i am not really surprised that Freeminer died
16:24	Wuzzy	i never were convinced the project will go anywere. I gave it a try multiple times but I was always underwhelmed
16:24	Wuzzy	i was astonished by the amount of game-breaking errors
16:24	rubenwardy	Freeminer changed to LGPLv2.1
16:25	rubenwardy	in the end
16:25	Wuzzy	haha
16:25	sofar	probably too late
16:25	rubenwardy	proller and etc gave permission to merge things back
16:25	Wuzzy	riiight, now i remember
16:25	Wuzzy	after the project died, however :D
16:25	rubenwardy	yeah
16:26	Wuzzy	i believe proller only chose GPLv3 only to mess with you :D
16:26	rubenwardy	definitely
16:27	Wuzzy	another thing i dislike a lot about current menu is the way how games are selected in singleplayer. its really annoying
16:28	Wuzzy	i have like dozens of games, so I always have to click 100 times on the arrow buttons XD
16:28	Wuzzy	and each time i return to singleplayer page, the games lists returns to start, so i must click 100 times again >_>
16:28	Wuzzy	i have never ever seen such an useless widget in any other software program
16:29	Wuzzy	i mean the "game icon bar"
16:29	sofar	view persistence
16:29	rubenwardy	the game icon bar is stupid
16:29	Wuzzy	view persistence doesnt really help that much because "scrolling" is still a painful process if the list is long
16:30	Wuzzy	maybe i should draw up a mockup of a better main menu someday and post it in the forums
16:30	rubenwardy	that would be good
16:30	Wuzzy	i wonder, is there anything that is good about current design?
16:31	Wuzzy	i think the credits list is okayish. it could stay like that
16:31	sofar	I should ask our UI designer
16:31	sofar	maybe she would be willing to take a stab at it
16:32	Wuzzy	advanced settings is annying to use imo
16:32	Wuzzy	i mean, its good we can access advanced settings, but its still a lot of work
16:33	Wuzzy	i think the main problem here is the window is tiny
16:33	Wuzzy	so you can only see like 11 entries at once even with ultra-super-duper-HD resoltuon :(
16:36	rubenwardy	yay, formspecs?
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16:37	sofar	maybe a more mozilla about:config like list is better
16:38	sofar	just a long list. Click on one and you can edit it
16:38	sofar	filter at the top, without any of the nesting
16:38	rubenwardy	would be good to make the thing responsive full screen
16:39	rubenwardy	should maybe add a new container type for that, idk
16:40	kurtzmusch	what about steal it from a website, dont overthink it, jut keep it simple and game agnostic, .w3schools.com/ hsa a bunch of templates, most of those are even mobile responsive
16:40	rubenwardy	Minetest doesn't use HTML
16:41	kurtzmusch	im talking about design decisions
16:41	rubenwardy	container_relative[0,-1] --> 1 unit above bottom
16:41	rubenwardy	hmm
16:41	kurtzmusch	you were saying that its more about design than the actual programming
16:41	rubenwardy	nah
16:41	rubenwardy	I didn't say that
16:42	kurtzmusch	not you, you guys
16:42	kurtzmusch	in general
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16:50	p_gimeno	<rubenwardy> proller and etc gave permission to merge things back <--- if the main menu is what MT wants, maybe that's one way to go
17:01	p_gimeno	the main problem of MT is that it's like a car without a steering system, it needs a single person with a clear vision taking the decisions. Most efforts go into small features that cover the interests of reduced groups of people, while there's a lot of elephants in the room that everyone pretends don't exist. About zero effort goes into improving maintainability, and so the snowball keeps getting bigger.
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17:07	kurtzmusch	An open source voxel game engine. Play one of our many games, mod a game to your liking, make your own game, or play on a multiplayer server. i wouldnt add anything to the engine that doesnt fits this, health and bubbles beeing one of them, its too specific for a type of game
17:08	p_gimeno	good example
17:08	kurtzmusch	p_gimeno i havent been around here for long, but i bet this is something that has been said/discussed over and over again
17:09	p_gimeno	yeah I guess so too. I guess the main problem is who bells that cat
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17:43	proller	fm have tons of useful improvements much more important than main menu...
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18:02	Daisae	So, now torches extinguish under water. Is the only other light source in the stock game mese lamps? or what else can practically be used? with a mod?
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18:06	kurtzmusch	Daisae, i think you can put fireflys in a bottle now
18:08	Daisae	Thanks.
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18:08	Daisae	Flying around a world with the Carpathian mapgen, i keep reaching the end of the world. Is that a feature of the Carpathian mapgen?
18:22	Wuzzy	lol
18:23	Wuzzy	i think you suffer from a severe case of minetest addiction lol
18:24	rubenwardy	lol
18:25	Wuzzy	i usually get bored faster than i reach the edge of the world
18:25	Daisae	I am flying around looking at the mapgen rather than playing.
18:26	p_gimeno	the end of the world is about 30 km away from the spawn point
18:26	Daisae	Hmmm. I saw it at a little over 2000.
18:26	p_gimeno	are you sure it's the end of the world as opposed to areas that haven't been generated yet?
18:27	Daisae	I waited and it did not generate.
18:27	Wuzzy	o_O
18:27	Wuzzy	on a server?
18:27	Daisae	MT 5.0.1
18:27	Daisae	Singleplayer
18:27	Wuzzy	did you touch mapgen_limit?
18:27	Daisae	possible. Let me check.
18:28	Daisae	I have not used minetest for many months or over a year.
18:28	Wuzzy	click on "All Settings" and enter mapgen_limit
18:30	Daisae	Yes. That was it. I had forgotten that setting existed and I had changed it.
18:30	p_gimeno	Wuzzy++
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19:45	MinetestBot	[git] pauloue -> minetest/minetest: Add node field to PlayerHPChangeReason table (#8368) 22ad820 https://git.io/fjqyk (2019-04-11T19:45:39Z)
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20:54	kurtzmusch	what is the mainstream program to record games on linux ?
20:54	kurtzmusch	so i can show me mod on the forums
20:56	rubenwardy	OBS or SimpleScreenRecorder
20:56	rubenwardy	latter is good because it's simple
20:56	rubenwardy	former is good for streaming
20:58	galaxie	I second SimpleScreenRecorder. It Just Works(tm).
20:58	kurtzmusch	noice
20:58	kurtzmusch	thanks
20:58	rubenwardy	i'd only use the former for streaming tbh
20:59	kurtzmusch	no interest in streaming
20:59	kurtzmusch	are those on the ubuntu repo?
21:03	kurtzmusch	ah found it, no hifens
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21:05	kurtzmusch	should i go for 60 fps or thats overkill:
21:05	kurtzmusch	:
21:05	kurtzmusch	? **
21:07	galaxie	Depends on how fast your machine is.
21:08	kurtzmusch	no gpu, i5 2.4ghz
21:09	Calinou	OBS is a good option on Windows too
21:09	Calinou	(for recording)
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21:13	galaxie	kurtzmusch: If you keep dropping frames, consider a smaller FPS.
21:14	Calinou	60 FPS is love, 60 FPS is life :P
21:14	Calinou	but yes, if you can't keep it up, you have to either decrease the resolution, the framerate, or the encoding quality (you could record at near-lossless quality and perform a second encoding pass afterwards)
21:16	kurtzmusch	wow, my cpu cant handle minetest and the ssr
21:16	kurtzmusch	super stuttery
21:17	Calinou	kurtzmusch: try OBS then
21:17	kurtzmusch	guess ill have to do some reading on encoding
21:17	Calinou	(it supports GPU encoding too, specifically NVENC or Quick Sync Video)
21:17	kurtzmusch	i dont have gpu, just stock intel integrated graphics
21:17	Calinou	you may be interested in https://www.mistergoodcat.com/post/screencasts-with-open-broadcaster-software, it's targeted at screencasts but can still be of relevance for recording games
21:18	Calinou	yeah, that's going to make it difficult
21:18	Calinou	(Quick Sync Video is offered on Intel IGPs still, but video quality will be worse)
21:18	kurtzmusch	i did record it downscaled to 720p
21:18	kurtzmusch	i think downscaling it takes cpu effort, maybe i should downscale afterwards?
21:19	kurtzmusch	i play with this one more
21:20	kurtzmusch	or ask nathans21 to do a showcase :p
21:20	Calinou	downscaling takes more effort too, yes
21:21	Calinou	if it's too much for your machine, encoding in a second pass will be a better choice
21:21	Calinou	your first pass just has to record in "veryfast" preset with an high bitrate, so you'll re-encode later
21:22	kurtzmusch	oks
21:23	kurtzmusch	its also vsynced
21:23	kurtzmusch	not sure how that plays with the recorder
21:24	Calinou	I don't remember if that's a good thing or not
21:24	Calinou	if you want to disable vsync, run Minetest in a terminal with `vblank_mode=0 minetest`\|
21:25	Calinou	(in other words, set the `vblank_mode` environment variable to 0 before running it)
21:27	kurtzmusch	yeahm i know about that trick
21:28	kurtzmusch	its vsynced by default, yet i get tearing without a compositor
21:29	kurtzmusch	on this subject: motion blur is something that makes a game playable at 30 fps, so its a nice thing to have in the engine
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21:31	Calinou	not really, it can't smooth out everything and the issue of high input lag at low framerates is still there
21:32	Calinou	and well-made motion blur has a cost on its own :)
21:32	Calinou	(and it's not going to be 100% representative of what you'd see in real life too)
21:32	Calinou	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXIrSTMgJ9s
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21:44	kurtzmusch	consoles did it for a long time( maybe even do? )
21:44	kurtzmusch	still do *
21:47	kurtzmusch	oh yeah, the vid just explains this lol
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22:49	makayabou	I'm working on a subgame, containing several mods i'm developping at the same time, do you think git submodules is the best way to achieve it properly?
22:50	makayabou	and to link to rolling mods made by others (that I don't intend to modify) what would be your advice?
22:50	sofar	git submodules can be a major pain
22:50	sofar	but if you're not forking mods and using them unmodified, it may be a reasonable solution
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22:50	sofar	however, please don't just tell people to clone git
22:50	sofar	make a proper release zip file that includes all mods
22:50	makayabou	yes sure
22:51	sofar	and put that zip file on contentdb
22:52	makayabou	I saw https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Submodules that explains a lot about using it
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