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01:50 Ruslan1 Hello
01:52 ANAND Hello Ruslan1
01:53 Ruslan1 I open MT and I see server miss up
01:54 ANAND server miss up??
01:55 Ruslan1 Do I have to reopen
01:55 ANAND which version of MT?
01:56 Ruslan1 0.4.16
01:56 ANAND if ur having 0.5.0_dev, there's a refresh button on the join game page, but I'm afraid 0.4.16 has no such feature...
01:56 ANAND Try quitting and re-opening MT again
01:56 Ruslan1 Ok
01:58 Ruslan1 All better now thanks you
01:58 ANAND no problem :)
01:59 Ruslan1 Where I get 0.5.0 version
02:00 ANAND 0.5.0 hasn't been released yet, you can only get the dev version
02:00 Ruslan1 Where
02:00 ANAND You'll have to build it yourself though
02:00 Ruslan1 Can you help me
02:00 ANAND github.com/minetest/minetest
02:01 ANAND Which OS?
02:01 Ruslan1 Windows 10
02:02 ANAND Check the "Compiling on Windows" part here: http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
02:03 ANAND afk for a while
02:04 Ruslan1 Okay
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02:10 Ruslan1 Hi
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02:18 Ruslan1 ANAND:
02:18 ANAND Yes?
02:19 Ruslan1 Do I have to doc make
02:19 Ruslan1 I mean cmake
02:20 ANAND Ruslan1, building on linux is much easier, but if you still want to stick to Windows, here's another link: http://dev.minetest.net/Build_Win32_Minetest_including_all_required_libraries
02:20 ANAND Sorry about not noticing it before
02:24 Ruslan1 I do on windows 10 too
02:24 ANAND Well, the gods are on your side, here's a link to sfan5's weekly builds! :)
02:24 ANAND https://minetest.kitsunemimi.pw/builds/
02:24 ANAND No need to build
02:24 ANAND Just download and extract
02:24 ANAND good luck
02:28 Ruslan1 Now I can enjoy
02:28 ANAND :)
02:28 ANAND Does it work?
02:29 Ruslan1 Yes
02:30 ANAND Note that you can only join servers running atleast 0.5.0_dev (any version)
02:31 Ruslan1 You are so smart
02:31 ANAND ....
02:32 ANAND The server has experienced an internal error. You will be disconnected now
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05:12 Ruslan1 Wb ANAND
05:13 ANAND Thank you Ruslan1 :)
05:13 Ruslan1 I got Minetest 0.5
05:13 ANAND Is it working alright?
05:14 Ruslan1 Yes
05:14 ANAND Great
05:14 Ruslan1 About your
05:15 Ruslan1 ANAND:
05:16 ANAND yes?
05:17 Ruslan1 Which version are better
05:18 ANAND 0.5.0 is definitely leagues ahead of the 0.4 series
05:18 Ruslan1 Yeah
05:18 ANAND but there's a catch - you can't join servers running 0.4.xx if you're on 0.5.0
05:19 ANAND The solution is to have both 0.4.xx and 0.5.0_dev
05:19 Ruslan1 I have 0.4.16
05:20 Ruslan1 How am going do that
05:22 ANAND 0.4.16 release version has RUN_IN_PLACE set to true, and so does sfan5's builds, just have them in separate folders and they'll run alright
05:24 Ruslan1 so I use Minetest 0.5 to run with 0.4.16 server
05:24 ANAND RUN_IN_PLACE means that the game engine has all it's core files like bin, builtin, and user folders like worlds, mods, and games all in the same folder
05:24 ANAND of course not - you can't run 0.4.16 server using 0.5.0
05:25 ANAND But you can have two separate versions of MT (0.4.1x and 0.5.0) in their own separate folders
05:26 Ruslan1 Good idea
05:27 Ruslan1 I can move my file
05:34 ANAND afk again
05:35 Ruslan1 ANAND: I trying run 0.4.1x to 0.5 file
05:36 Ruslan1 Help
05:44 Ruslan1 Bye now
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05:51 Ruslan1 Back
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05:55 Ruslan1 ?!
05:56 Ruslan1 Maybe
05:56 Ruslan1 Na
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05:57 rafaeldelucenaEC https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live IS POPPIN HOT RIGHT NOW STILL GOING!! CALL 315-505-4666. IRC.EFNET.ORG #lrh
05:57 rafaeldelucenaEC https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live IS POPPIN HOT RIGHT NOW STILL GOING!! CALL 315-505-4666. IRC.EFNET.ORG #lrh
05:57 rafaeldelucenaEC https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live IS POPPIN HOT RIGHT NOW STILL GOING!! CALL 315-505-4666. IRC.EFNET.ORG #lrh
05:57 rafaeldelucenaEC https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live IS POPPIN HOT RIGHT NOW STILL GOING!! CALL 315-505-4666. IRC.EFNET.ORG #lrh
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05:58 Ruslan1 spammers
05:59 Pie-jacker875 ugh
06:00 Player-2 i am also perturbed
06:00 Pie-jacker875 wonder if they'll reach channels that start with t
06:00 Pie-jacker875 they've already passed q
06:00 Pie-jacker875 wait am I dumb
06:00 Pie-jacker875 I should go to bed
06:00 Ruslan1 That user name needs ban
06:00 Pie-jacker875 I guess they're not going alphabetically like I assumed
06:01 Ruslan1 Spam is bad
06:01 Pie-jacker875 they hit musescore about a minute after qtox
06:02 Ruslan1 Ok bye now
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07:56 IcyDiamond I got ping.. It's just spammer. Damn.
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08:08 Krock IcyDiamond IcyDiamond IcyDiamond
08:08 IcyDiamond :D
08:08 Krock Urgent! Win now an iPhone X by answering a simple survey! (No scam!)
08:19 ANAND Oh, it's a spammer... I got pinged too ._.
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08:40 ANAND Clever spammer - pinged so many users, but not one OP among them... XD
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09:38 derixithy Anyone knows a good way to search directly up and down a node for x amount of nodes? I want to make a teleporting elevator (shift go down and space go up)
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09:49 Markow Yeah, node mathematics: Stand on both nodes you wish to calculate the differences for, then subtract one from the other, adding 1 (on either the y axis).
09:49 Markow *on the y axis
09:57 opal can you all stop commenting on spam
09:57 opal it generates more than what happened originally
09:57 opal anyway 05:18.53 < ANAND:#minetest> but there's a catch - you can't join servers running 0.4.xx if you're on 0.5.0
09:58 opal well damn
09:58 opal is 0.4.xx still being maintained then?
09:59 opal if so, i'd like to report a bug (and possibly submit a patch) but i don't have a github account. is there any alternate method i can use to report the issue?
09:59 opal and before someone says "make a github account", no, i dont agree to their terms of service
10:03 Krock what? the point of 0.5.x is to break the backwards compat with 0.4.x
10:03 Krock if you need 0.4.x with bugfixes, get a backport-0.4 build
10:04 opal i thought the point of later releases was to improve upon prior releases
10:04 Krock ..which will be 0.4.17-dev
10:04 opal maybe as a side effect that would break backwards compatibility
10:04 opal so yes, 0.4.x is still maintained?
10:04 ANAND yes it is
10:04 opal alright cool
10:05 Krock the master branch is 0.5.x, 0.4.x is backport-0.4 and stable-0.4
10:05 ANAND 0.4.17 will be released very soon (April 23rd IIRC)
10:06 opal ok. i looked through the issues on github and couldnt find anything that looked like the issue i was having (segfault with coredump, i got a backtrace out of it), so i do want to report that before 0.4.17's release if possible
10:06 opal i don't have the source downloaded yet to step through it and see for myself what the issue could be, but i can get that really easily
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10:29 derixithy @Markow, thanx for the suggestion,i could not wrap my head around it. But when searching for example codes i found that octacian made the same elevater i'm trying to make. Did not find it in my hours of searching the forum. We need a better way to find mods :P
10:30 Markow Make sure you round the value of your coordinates
10:30 Markow It works fine for me when making measurements
10:31 opal wait there's a -dev channel, sorry about that
10:32 ANAND derixithy - the forum serach is indeed a joke, take a look at this mod search engine, made by Krock: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php
10:32 andirc8000 I have a question I want to expand signs_lib mod a bit, is there a potential limitation of amount of characters that I can write on a sign? (if I make my own mod)
10:33 andirc8000 e.g. a db limitation etc
10:34 ANAND Physical bounds of the signs seems to be the only limitation - too much text and the excess will be clipped out
10:35 Krock andirc8000, the chars per sign seems to be hardcoded in the init.lua and can't be customized per-sign
10:36 Krock https://github.com/minetest-mods/signs_lib/blob/master/init.lua#L220-L221
11:08 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Fix Android build, broken since 87ad4d8 63ca604 https://git.io/vpY0w (2018-04-21T08:17:16Z)
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15:27 Ruslan1 Hello
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15:43 deltasquared hmm, would there be any reason get_perlin() would return nil?
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15:43 deltasquared I've got an "assert(noise ~= nil)" right after a call to it which is firing
15:44 deltasquared precise call is "local noise = minetest.get_perlin(13457, 3, 0.5, 100)"
15:45 deltasquared I should add that I'm doing this inside init.lua, not a callback, so not sure if it'd explode because of that
15:48 deltasquared huh, so it *can* only be obtained at runtime... interesting. lua_api.txt bit get_perlin() does not seem to document this
16:12 Krock deltasquared, get_perlin never returns nil https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/lua_api/l_env.cpp#L938
16:29 deltasquared Krock: I'm only relaying what I observed (will read source in a min), there is no way I could be mistaken, as it was literally get_perlin() followed by assert
16:30 deltasquared arranging for get_perlin() to be called from callback context fixed this, no other logical changes
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17:02 deltasquared whoah, getting passed a region 112 nodes ^3 in size for mapgen... so much for trying to get one big noisemap for it
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18:28 Markow Know what's very strange? When I go into news.google.com (English Google News Search) and type in "Minetest", nothing shows up, it's as if Google intentionally supresses any news & stories about Minetest. Has anyone else tried this?
18:30 Markow *suppresses
18:31 opal https://news.google.com/news/search/section/q/minetest/minetest?hl=en&amp;gl=US&amp;ned=us
18:31 opal shows up four articles for me
18:32 opal have you ever considered that maybe nobody talks about minetest
18:34 Markow I got 4 articles, but now look at them: Really unrelated to Minetest
18:34 Markow Which is what I said before: "nothing shows up"
18:36 Markow There are plenty of articles which have been done out there, for example, why doesn't his show up on Google News search?
18:36 Markow https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/minetest-the-open-source-sandbox-game-inspired-by-infiniminer-minecraft-has-a-major-new-version.7257
18:36 Krock four unrelated things show up
18:37 Markow Krock: Exactly
18:37 Markow Here is another one that never made it to Google News:  https://itsfoss.com/minetest-free-alternative-of-minecraft-get-it-in-ubuntu/
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18:45 FreeFull Maybe it's just that google news only indexes certain news sites?
18:45 FreeFull So it won't index gamingonlinux or itsfoss
18:46 Markow If that's the case, it's censorship by Google
18:49 rdococ I am very surprised /s
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19:33 MinetestBot [git] mazocomp -> minetest/minetest: Fix i386 bit build at OpenBSD (#7259) cb92cdf https://git.io/vpYSF (2018-04-21T19:33:38Z)
19:35 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Cave liquids: Use a more precise point for calculating biome 5abd0ef https://git.io/vpYSh (2018-04-21T19:35:29Z)
19:52 opal 18:46.50 < Markow:#minetest> If that's the case, it's censorship by Google
19:52 opal yeah because somehow google is going to keep up with hundreds of thousands of news sites
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21:46 sy how does one get jungle grass?
21:47 sy i've only managed to get dry grass
21:47 Krock sy, in jungles. it's rare unless you're using mgv6
21:47 sy no i've found it, but mining it gives me dry grass
21:48 sy oh it must be a git thing
21:48 sy or i bet a mod conflict
21:48 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/farming/nodes.lua#L183-L189
21:48 Krock mod conflict. farming does it right
21:49 Krock and default doesn't alter the drop value in the def table
21:49 sy ah
21:53 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgvalleys: Use shared tunnel / cavern code instead of internal 12a8f88 https://git.io/vpYdu (2018-04-21T21:50:36Z)
21:53 sy was a conflict with agriculture
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22:53 epic8009 anything stupid there ok?
22:54 epic8009 minetest is a bad game 10/10
23:10 rdococ and Minecraft is a bad chair
23:10 rdococ when I sit on it I break my computer
23:12 rdococ However, Minecraft is a better game than it is a chair
23:13 rdococ And, Minetest is a better game engine than MTG is a game
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23:32 epic8009 i agree minecraft doesnt work well as a chair
23:32 epic8009 i hear they are fixing that in 1.36.13
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