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blaise |
so, there are aminals and stuff.. and places to cook food, and there are crap tons of trees to turn in to charcoal or just use plain ole wood for fuel |
| 00:06 |
blaise |
and there are bones where people starved to death on my server because they were too lazy to eat |
| 00:06 |
blaise |
like, wtf |
| 00:07 |
blaise |
the other day I watched some guy get mauled to death by a cow because he didn't craft a wooden axe or sword to kill it with |
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Markow |
LOL |
| 00:16 |
Markow |
That's hilarious |
| 00:16 |
Markow |
;) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Sun colour: Undo colour change. Remove double assignment (#7227) af86842 https://git.io/vx7tJ (2018-04-09T01:23:47Z) |
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| 08:46 |
IcyDiamond |
omg my external storage bus works so well |
| 08:46 |
IcyDiamond |
its awesome!!! |
| 08:47 |
IcyDiamond |
or so i thought |
| 08:47 |
IcyDiamond |
found bug |
| 08:47 |
IcyDiamond |
lol |
| 08:54 |
IcyDiamond |
okay so i have to use after_dig_node instead of on_destruct here |
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| 09:47 |
AlexYst |
IcyDiamond: Holostorage? WHat does it store, item stacks? |
| 09:47 |
IcyDiamond |
its a mass storage system |
| 09:47 |
IcyDiamond |
so yes |
| 09:47 |
IcyDiamond |
might also do fluids |
| 09:47 |
IcyDiamond |
but thats after i make fluidity a full-blown fluid API |
| 09:48 |
AlexYst |
Nice! I'm always looking to store more stuff. |
| 09:48 |
AlexYst |
I'm such a pack rat. |
| 09:48 |
AlexYst |
Like, I had chests and chests of just cobble in my last world. |
| 09:48 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 09:49 |
IcyDiamond |
this mod can import from and export to chests too |
| 09:49 |
AlexYst |
I can't fathom throwing it out, but I don't have a use for it. |
| 09:49 |
IcyDiamond |
and use chests as storage |
| 09:49 |
IcyDiamond |
so you can put nodes on all your chests and access all the items from one node |
| 09:50 |
AlexYst |
Well, *didn't* have a use. Some code tweaks have changed that for my upcoming world. |
| 09:50 |
AlexYst |
Oh, sweet. That's awesome! |
| 09:50 |
IcyDiamond |
indeed |
| 09:50 |
IcyDiamond |
I screamed from joy when I got it to work |
| 09:50 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 09:50 |
IcyDiamond |
like literal physical scream |
| 09:50 |
AlexYst |
Walking a line of chests and checking each for a stack you need's a bit of a pain. |
| 09:50 |
IcyDiamond |
glad I'm the only one home XD |
| 09:50 |
AlexYst |
Ha ha. |
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IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-09-12:52:23.png |
| 09:56 |
IcyDiamond |
https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-09-12:56:13.png regular grid |
| 09:56 |
AlexYst |
So you can access the crafting grid while also accessing storage? Nice! That'll save some flipping back and forth between inventory screens. |
| 09:56 |
IcyDiamond |
yes |
| 09:56 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: now you need to condense blocks into larger stacks |
| 09:57 |
IcyDiamond |
thats a good idea but i like have no idea how to do that |
| 09:57 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 09:57 |
AlexYst |
Fixer: Ha ha. I'm actually going to be experimenting with that soon myself. |
| 09:58 |
IcyDiamond |
if only the engine let you set a max stack size per inventory.. |
| 09:58 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: check this mod out for some inspiration |
| 09:58 |
IcyDiamond |
i guess i'd just have to make custom slots |
| 09:58 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: https://github.com/cx384/storage_interface |
| 09:58 |
AlexYst |
Based on a player's in-game level (determined by mining statistics), they'll be able to condense stacks better or worse than other players. |
| 09:59 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: whole point of refined storage was condensing the blocks, without that we are -ed |
| 09:59 |
IcyDiamond |
i mean, there's search |
| 09:59 |
IcyDiamond |
you cant get lost |
| 09:59 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 10:00 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: can you open a feature request here about per inventory stack size? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues |
| 10:00 |
IcyDiamond |
Sure |
| 10:01 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: note in feature request that feature is very useful for mods like refined storage, applied enertistics, storage interface, etc |
| 10:02 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: here is that storage interface mod, he did it via buttons here https://i.imgur.com/TYTeJ03.png |
| 10:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Yeah I thought about doing buttons |
| 10:02 |
IcyDiamond |
but frankly I don't like it |
| 10:02 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 10:03 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: the way you are doing too https://i.imgur.com/N5svVtF.png |
| 10:03 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 10:06 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: another neat workaround he did - by colours https://i.imgur.com/ueu7Epy.png |
| 10:06 |
IcyDiamond |
wow |
| 10:08 |
IcyDiamond |
!mod holostorage |
| 10:08 |
MinetestBot |
IcyDiamond: Could not find anything. |
| 10:09 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: violet means bigger than whole player inventory I guess, greens are bigger than stuck, that is indeed nice workaround |
| 10:09 |
Fixer |
but i'm sure modders need this capability via engine |
| 10:10 |
Fixer |
per inventory stack sizes I mean |
| 10:10 |
IcyDiamond |
MinetestBot: feast your eyes on this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19932 |
| 10:10 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 10:10 |
Fixer |
IcyDiamond: also, refined storage had sorting by size iirc |
| 10:10 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah |
| 10:11 |
IcyDiamond |
i'll add sorting options when i figure out the best way to condense the items |
| 10:11 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 10:11 |
AlexYst |
Okay, it looks like my experiment was unsuccessful. If you use inventory:remove_item() with a stack size above the maximum, it'll sucessfully remove all the specified items from the list (it'll take from multiple stacks as it should), but it deletes the ones that go above the max in the stack it returns. |
| 10:12 |
AlexYst |
In some cases, you could combine a few functions to get around this, but I'm not sure how to do it when you don't know the exact number of the item are in the inventory. |
| 10:12 |
AlexYst |
It's too bad too; that would've been a simple solution for both of us, if it worked. |
| 10:14 |
IcyDiamond |
inb4 "Wont add" tag |
| 10:14 |
IcyDiamond |
:( |
| 10:16 |
IcyDiamond |
scary tag stay away |
| 10:16 |
AlexYst |
IcyDiamond: You could do drag-and-drop, I guess. That's probably what I'll end up doing. You can take a stack dropped into an inventory slot, calculate the proper stack size when added to the other stack, set the old stack to the new size, and delete the old stack. |
| 10:17 |
AlexYst |
I meant delete the *new* stack. |
| 10:17 |
AlexYst |
Don't set the old stack's size just to get rid of the stack anyway, ha ha. |
| 10:23 |
IcyDiamond |
799 open issues |
| 10:23 |
IcyDiamond |
It's just $7.99! |
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| 10:24 |
IcyDiamond |
^C |
| 10:28 |
AlexYst |
It's a big project; it's bound to have some issues. |
| 10:28 |
AlexYst |
I think pull requests count as issues too. |
| 10:28 |
AlexYst |
So sometimes one pull request shows up as two "issues"; one detailing the problem and one fixing it. |
| 10:29 |
AlexYst |
Then there's the "issues" that are more like notes on plans. |
| 10:29 |
AlexYst |
A developer opens an issue explaining what they plan to do. I think it's to give the other developers a chance to respond with input. |
| 10:30 |
AlexYst |
So it looks like Minetest id full of bugs or something, but it has less problems than the "issues" make it seem. |
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| 10:43 |
Fixer |
of those only 254 are marked as bugs |
| 10:44 |
Fixer |
minetest is very stable in game actually |
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| 10:47 |
AlexYst |
Exactly. |
| 10:48 |
AlexYst |
I wasn't aware of the exact bug count, but I knew it had to be a lot lower than the issue count. |
| 10:49 |
AlexYst |
And some of those bugs are things such as the sun being the wrong colour. They should be fixed, but they don't take away from the stability. |
| 10:51 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/poqpp.png |
| 10:52 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: did you get the i. subdomain idea from me? |
| 10:52 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 10:53 |
rubenwardy |
no lol |
| 10:53 |
rubenwardy |
had it for a year or so |
| 10:53 |
IcyDiamond |
Fair enough |
| 10:53 |
rubenwardy |
got the idea from imgur |
| 10:53 |
IcyDiamond |
Same |
| 10:53 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 10:53 |
IcyDiamond |
Mine is just a database of ipfs hashes |
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| 10:54 |
IcyDiamond |
I stopped uploading images to my server a while ago |
| 10:55 |
rubenwardy |
I generate a random string then upload the image via scp |
| 10:55 |
rubenwardy |
essentially |
| 10:55 |
IcyDiamond |
Ipfs is really great, especially after I lost the ability to open ports on my home network |
| 10:56 |
IcyDiamond |
I also used scp |
| 10:56 |
IcyDiamond |
I have a custom screenshot script and everything |
| 10:56 |
IcyDiamond |
I use simplescreenrecorder to record video |
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| 10:57 |
IcyDiamond |
https://ipfs.io check it out, it's really really neat |
| 10:57 |
IcyDiamond |
And all open source |
| 10:57 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: support for games, mods and texture packs? nice |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
yup! |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
all work currently |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
well: the online browser can't current tell if a texture pack is installed |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
so it'll allow you to install again |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
but the others are feature complete |
| 10:58 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: don't forget to ability to update those packs |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 10:58 |
rubenwardy |
later :) |
| 10:58 |
IcyDiamond |
Do texture packs have a metadata file? Like mod.conf |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
unfortunately |
| 10:59 |
IcyDiamond |
Aw |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
that PR adds one though |
| 10:59 |
IcyDiamond |
Yay |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
but no texture packs will use them |
| 10:59 |
IcyDiamond |
Also, mod.conf should be made mandatory |
| 10:59 |
IcyDiamond |
Imo |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
which means it's hard to support manually installed TXPs well |
| 10:59 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, agreed |
| 11:00 |
rubenwardy |
well |
| 11:00 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 11:00 |
rubenwardy |
breaks mods though |
| 11:00 |
IcyDiamond |
I mean like, maybe only mandatory if it were to be submitted to the library |
| 11:01 |
rubenwardy |
that's not really needed technically |
| 11:01 |
rubenwardy |
as the installer will automagically create the .conf |
| 11:01 |
IcyDiamond |
Kk |
| 11:01 |
rubenwardy |
IcyDiamond: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest/blob/a91ecca3f583a50503ac40d4ecd6934bcf65af66/builtin/mainmenu/dlg_contentstore.lua#L46-L72 |
| 11:02 |
IcyDiamond |
Okay, cool |
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| 11:04 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: texture packs do have descriptions |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 11:04 |
IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: will the backend be open source |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 11:04 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 11:04 |
Fixer |
file called description.txt |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
I know |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
that's already supported |
| 11:04 |
Fixer |
nice, ty |
| 11:05 |
IcyDiamond |
Btw I had a brilliant idea to create a voxel planet engine |
| 11:05 |
IcyDiamond |
Still haven't gotten around to it |
| 11:05 |
IcyDiamond |
My C++ is bad |
| 11:06 |
rubenwardy |
practice! |
| 11:06 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 11:06 |
IcyDiamond |
And don't worry, it won't be called anything *test |
| 11:06 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 11:07 |
IcyDiamond |
Actually, I already have a repo for it |
| 11:07 |
IcyDiamond |
https://github.com/LunaSquee/universium-engine |
| 11:07 |
IcyDiamond |
Just that it has nothing to it |
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IcyDiamond |
Don't bother compiling it, it's just a black window |
| 11:08 |
IcyDiamond |
:P |
| 11:08 |
rubenwardy |
how well do you know shaders? |
| 11:08 |
IcyDiamond |
Meh I haven't done enough with them |
| 11:09 |
rubenwardy |
:'( |
| 11:09 |
rubenwardy |
learn pls? |
| 11:09 |
IcyDiamond |
I think I will actually use another engine as a base too |
| 11:09 |
rubenwardy |
then become our graphics expert? |
| 11:09 |
IcyDiamond |
Like minetest has irrlicht |
| 11:09 |
IcyDiamond |
Is irrlicht good to work with? |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
the title of "paramat's arch-nemesis" is still up for grabs |
| 11:10 |
IcyDiamond |
Lol |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
wait no |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
as in, making features wise |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
and no, it's not |
| 11:10 |
IcyDiamond |
Lol |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
this game is made with Irrlicht: buildaworld.net |
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rubenwardy |
but they have forked it to add tonnes more features |
| 11:11 |
IcyDiamond |
Kk |
| 11:11 |
LemonFox |
Hi everyone, is there a way to use client side textures when connecting to a server? |
| 11:11 |
rubenwardy |
texture pack? |
| 11:12 |
IcyDiamond |
Yeah idk if I ever get around to create the engine |
| 11:12 |
IcyDiamond |
I kind of want to spend the summer with my girlfriend this year |
| 11:12 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 11:12 |
rubenwardy |
no, you're not allowed! |
| 11:12 |
IcyDiamond |
Wot |
| 11:12 |
rubenwardy |
we need fancy shaders! |
| 11:12 |
IcyDiamond |
Lol |
| 11:12 |
LemonFox |
I want to see my texture pack while being on another persons server |
| 11:12 |
IcyDiamond |
No you really don't |
| 11:12 |
rubenwardy |
LemonFox: it applies on multiplayer |
| 11:13 |
rubenwardy |
just enable it |
| 11:13 |
rubenwardy |
you may need to restart |
| 11:13 |
IcyDiamond |
There's this game, also a minecraft inspired game, that has so over the top shaders that I hate it |
| 11:13 |
LemonFox |
So i put it in the server folder? |
| 11:13 |
IcyDiamond |
Terasology or something similar it was called |
| 11:13 |
rubenwardy |
terasology? |
| 11:13 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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rubenwardy |
it's in Java and slow |
| 11:14 |
IcyDiamond |
A game in java automatically extends class Slow |
| 11:14 |
rubenwardy |
this is what I'd love to see in MT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkydse1LVX0 |
| 11:14 |
IcyDiamond |
Cool |
| 11:14 |
LemonFox |
tersaology bareley works on my laptop :P minetest |
| 11:14 |
rubenwardy |
although I'd prefer a bigger view range |
| 11:15 |
IcyDiamond |
I love minetest though |
| 11:15 |
rubenwardy |
related: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7222 |
| 11:16 |
IcyDiamond |
Minetest modding is my idea of a good time |
| 11:16 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 11:16 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 11:16 |
rubenwardy |
keep it up! |
| 11:16 |
LemonFox |
how do i use a pack on the client computer when going on a server which is not mine |
| 11:16 |
IcyDiamond |
Ayy |
| 11:16 |
LemonFox |
how do you enable |
| 11:16 |
rubenwardy |
LemonFox: in the main menu |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
select a texture pack in the textures tab |
| 11:17 |
LemonFox |
okay thanks ill try |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
the item that is highlighted will be used |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
and you will need to restart |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
ha |
| 11:17 |
IcyDiamond |
Lol |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
IcyDiamond: and also make sure to give feedback on what's missing / makes modding less easy |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
except per-item inventory images |
| 11:17 |
IcyDiamond |
LOL |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
we've received that feedback load and clear ;) |
| 11:17 |
IcyDiamond |
NICE SAVE |
| 11:17 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 11:18 |
IcyDiamond |
Yeah I'll come up with something |
| 11:18 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
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IcyDiamond |
Does minetest have particles? If so, why aren't they used anywhere |
| 12:07 |
NathanS21 |
it does have particles, but I don't think anything in minetest_game uses them |
| 12:07 |
NathanS21 |
actually I think digging creates particles. |
| 12:07 |
NathanS21 |
oh and tnt. |
| 12:08 |
rubenwardy |
Correct |
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rubenwardy |
I remember digging particles being added, spectacular |
| 12:14 |
IcyDiamond |
ohh right |
| 12:14 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 12:18 |
rubenwardy |
Every so often I'm like oh shit, how has it been >6 years |
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ashtrayoz2 |
For devs: #7231 is ready for review. Documentation only. |
| 12:43 |
rubenwardy |
you should post such stuff in #minetest-dev , ashtrayoz2 |
| 12:45 |
ashtrayoz2 |
Yes, I should. But nickserv does not like my password, so I don't think I will get voice. |
| 12:45 |
rubenwardy |
that's not a moderated channel |
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ashtrayoz2 |
Hmm... so it appears. I must have been thinking of something else - or did it change some time? |
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BuilderMT |
hi is it possible to write text in my terminal (on the server) to apear for all users ingame? |
| 12:55 |
BuilderMT |
the server is running as a systemd (or init.d) service |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
only using a mod |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
when you run the server in a screen/tmux you could use the --terminal option |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
but since you're not doing that... |
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BuilderMT |
mh :((( |
| 12:59 |
BuilderMT |
sfan5: i wouldn't mind to change how it is running right now ... but not sure to make it right |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: upright_sprite: Fix texture position for players e40ffed https://git.io/vx7dH (2018-04-09T12:58:35Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: More readable e1bbc7e https://git.io/vx7dQ (2018-04-09T09:02:03Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: Fix for translating empty string fd247d5 https://git.io/vx7d7 (2018-04-09T09:02:03Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: undoing PR changes 88d091f https://git.io/vx7d5 (2018-04-09T09:02:03Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: Fix empty string translation be64901 https://git.io/vx7dd (2018-04-09T09:02:03Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: Fix for translating empty strings 6257c7f https://git.io/vx7dF (2018-04-09T09:02:03Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: upright_sprite: Fix texture position for players d58801a https://git.io/vx7Fb (2018-04-09T13:06:40Z) |
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IcyDiamond |
um okay |
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rdococ |
ugh |
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rdococ |
I feel il |
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rdococ |
+l |
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Krock |
Some spam every day keeps the serious people away |
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IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 13:10 |
rdococ |
Unfortunately, serious people that find spam delicious tend to keep themselves and their closest friends away. |
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rdococ |
Save the spam-eating serious people today. |
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IcyDiamond |
2018-04-09 13:20:33: WARNING[Main]: invalid use of background without a size[] element |
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IcyDiamond |
where does this come from? |
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IcyDiamond |
i have a lot of it in my logs |
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rubenwardy |
IcyDiamond: a bug lovingly created by me, just ignore it |
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rdococ |
Hm, that looks familiar |
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IcyDiamond |
lol |
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Krock |
rubenwardy, not directly. your feature discovered this issue |
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rubenwardy |
true |
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[git] minduser00 -> minetest/minetest: Fix for translating empty strings 9a06d6a https://git.io/vx7bb (2018-04-09T13:13:53Z) |
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IcyDiamond |
rubenwardy: how do you put lists in sfinv |
| 13:28 |
IcyDiamond |
like, where do you define the inventory |
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rubenwardy |
what do you mean? |
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rubenwardy |
is this for a tab, or for all tabs with the player inventory at the bottom? |
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IcyDiamond |
for a tab |
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IcyDiamond |
does it take a detached inventory or something? |
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rubenwardy |
no, it can be a player one |
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rubenwardy |
initialise it as usually |
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rubenwardy |
ie: in on_joinplayer |
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rubenwardy |
*usual |
| 13:30 |
rubenwardy |
then just use it |
| 13:30 |
Krock |
you can use whatever you want as inventory there. just keep in mind that detached inventories can be per-user limited and node inventories are range-limited |
| 13:31 |
BuilderMT |
sfinv is still a mod and needs to be added seperatly ... (not part of the main game?!) |
| 13:31 |
IcyDiamond |
it is part of the minetest_game |
| 13:31 |
Krock |
BuilderMT, apt-get update |
| 13:32 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 13:32 |
Krock |
it was added to minetest_game some months ago |
| 13:33 |
Krock |
some months plus an entire year... Nov 2016 |
| 13:33 |
IcyDiamond |
lol |
| 13:33 |
BuilderMT |
and how can i activate it? or see it? ... because it is empty and no taps shown ... if i am the admin on my server |
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rubenwardy |
if there is only one page, then the tabs will be hidden |
| 13:34 |
BuilderMT |
tabs* |
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rubenwardy |
so you need to add more pages, for example by installing sfinv_buttons |
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BuilderMT |
how can i check the version of the apt-package i installed as sever on ubuntu 16.04 |
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rdococ |
if I were to create a fork with the intention of using it for pull requests, would it be okay to add my modifications to the master branch of that fork? |
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Krock |
BuilderMT, dpkg -s PACKAGE_NAME shows information which also contains the version |
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BuilderMT |
0.4.13 |
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Krock |
BuilderMT, https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
| 13:52 |
BuilderMT |
mh ... i suppose this is not possible now since i don't have a inet connection ... or better ... a very strict proxy |
| 13:53 |
BuilderMT |
i can use only a usb stick :D to transfer files to the server |
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BuilderMT |
so Krock you'd think i rather download it and install it by transferring it with the usb stick? |
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Krock |
bes would be ofc to compile the backport-0.4 branch so it's more up-to-date |
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BuilderMT |
where do i get this? ubuntu 16.04 and a intel cpu |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
probably too much effort when you'll have to install the development libraries manually using the USB drive |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
download the PPA and transfer that to install. done. |
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BuilderMT |
minetest-server_0.4.16+repack-4_i386.deb <--- this one? |
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BuilderMT |
i get an error edditing the paket minetest-server (--install) |
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BuilderMT |
got it i think |
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Markow |
Good afternoon all! |
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Markow |
Went biking 18 km today, beautiful weather. Stopped by in this little town, Zakliczyn and had a chocolate ice cream: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaWMEH7X0AIKjm6.jpg |
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Markow |
Now home relaxing, will tinker with the Advanced Trains Mod on Minetest. :) |
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Krock |
Markow, we're currently keeping the clouds here for your nice weather np. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix segfault caused by wrong wgettext() 22ebbe1 https://git.io/vx5f3 (2018-04-09T14:25:57Z) |
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Markow |
Hi Krock ! ;) |
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Krock |
hi Markow |
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Markow |
I'm exhausted, first biking trip I took this Spring season. Warm weather finally showed its face. |
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BuilderMT |
Unit entered failed state -...... Failed with result 'core-dump' |
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BuilderMT |
how can i fix this error starting the minetest-server 0.4.16+repack-4_i386 |
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* deltasquared |
pokes around with technic's trace_node_ray() routine |
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deltasquared |
you ever have a moment when you try to figure something out, then someone else comes along and does it like 10x better |
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Krock |
every time I look up on stackoverflow |
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deltasquared |
Krock: yeah but then it's like dafug |
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deltasquared |
whenever it comes to vector mathematics and such anyway |
| 17:44 |
Krock |
don't know why but it works |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
wait what. vector mathematics aren't that complicated |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
it's more or less just mixing algebra with geometry |
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deltasquared |
Krock: yeah but then the simplifications... I'm not very comfortable with the equivalences and such |
| 17:46 |
deltasquared |
let's just say it's not exactly my strong area |
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deltasquared |
aaaaand it turns out I'd made a goof anyway... lua's generic for loops make my head hurt |
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IcyDiamond |
deltasquared: ikr |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: wat |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
is this from earlier |
| 18:47 |
IcyDiamond |
I still don't understand the difference between ipairs and pairs |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
oh, I get *that* |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
I meant writing custom generators |
| 18:47 |
IcyDiamond |
TELL ME |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
it trips me up at times |
| 18:47 |
deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: what, how they work? |
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Krock |
i is by unsigned integers, paris is anything |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
*pairs is any type |
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IcyDiamond |
this mystery has been bugging me for years |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: for k, v in pairs(t) do ... end gives you each key in a table-like object. |
| 18:48 |
deltasquared |
for i, v in ipairs(t) do ... end only gives you the numerical ones, starting at 1, and i is an index |
| 18:48 |
IcyDiamond |
Ohhhhh |
| 18:48 |
deltasquared |
so the latter is sorta like a foreach over an array |
| 18:48 |
IcyDiamond |
Alright |
| 18:49 |
IcyDiamond |
Simple enough |
| 18:49 |
deltasquared |
I mean it is right there in the lua manual :P |
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* deltasquared |
realises some people may not have that locally on their system |
| 18:50 |
deltasquared |
errr |
| 18:50 |
IcyDiamond |
pfft, you think i read manuals? |
| 18:50 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: I have bound the lua manual to a shell alias, I read it frequently when modding |
| 18:50 |
IcyDiamond |
cool |
| 18:50 |
deltasquared |
"what happens in $odd_case again?" |
| 18:51 |
IcyDiamond |
i just ddg whatever i need |
| 18:51 |
IcyDiamond |
still never understood ipairs fsr |
| 18:51 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
> using php capitalistic mark |
| 18:51 |
deltasquared |
Krock: what |
| 18:51 |
IcyDiamond |
php sucks |
| 18:51 |
IcyDiamond |
don't do it kids |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
never mind me. also shell is capitalistic $dd |
| 18:52 |
deltasquared |
don't tell me how to name my variables damnit! |
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deltasquared |
:P |
| 18:52 |
Krock |
use emojis |
| 18:52 |
IcyDiamond |
im beginning to think using detached inventories for my mass storage was a horrible idea |
| 18:52 |
deltasquared |
that sounds like an easy way to enrage your employer |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: formspec blues? |
| 18:53 |
IcyDiamond |
it literally loads thousands of empty stacks into memory |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
employer? more like co-workers |
| 18:53 |
IcyDiamond |
i need to write my own inventory |
| 18:53 |
IcyDiamond |
i guess |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
employers be like "does it work? good" "doesn't work? be done in an hour and it must work" |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: you should look into custom streaming them and/or doing the rendering yourself (e.g. inv cubes etc.) |
| 18:53 |
IcyDiamond |
the storage disks are kept in memory |
| 18:54 |
IcyDiamond |
each disk gets an unique id |
| 18:54 |
deltasquared |
globally unique ids, hmm, minor eyebrow raise |
| 18:54 |
deltasquared |
I'd have to look at the code to know if that was a problem |
| 18:54 |
deltasquared |
I did look at refined storage though, looks useful I guess |
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IcyDiamond |
it probably is tbh |
| 18:55 |
IcyDiamond |
i dont feel like giving myself a headache digging through java classes |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: it seems several things you may be doing may be a scalability problem at some point :P |
| 18:55 |
IcyDiamond |
indeed |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
IcyDiamond, each update in detached inventories will (IIRC) be sent to all clients on the server |
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deltasquared |
bearing in mind at some point I intend to take an axe to technic's node-update-happy nature |
| 18:55 |
deltasquared |
oof |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
because they're not locally/per-player restricted |
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IcyDiamond |
if i had a big table instead, would that be kept on the server? |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
well yeah |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
yes, but anything which is done directly with the detached inventories (set list, set stack) is sent |
| 18:56 |
IcyDiamond |
yeah i think i'll go a custom inventory system |
| 18:57 |
IcyDiamond |
btw is there a way to compare item stacks? |
| 18:57 |
deltasquared |
bear in mind you will still need a small formspec area as a normal inv in order to allow the drag/drop mechanic |
| 18:57 |
IcyDiamond |
like, metadata and everything |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/item_entity.lua#L105 |
| 18:57 |
deltasquared |
itemstacks have a tostring method IIRC, maybe just do that on both and compare them |
| 18:57 |
deltasquared |
(of sorts) |
| 18:58 |
IcyDiamond |
oh you can just compare meta like that!? |
| 18:58 |
deltasquared |
mmmmmaaaybe |
| 18:58 |
deltasquared |
been a while |
| 18:58 |
deltasquared |
look it up in the api ;) |
| 18:58 |
IcyDiamond |
wow |
| 18:58 |
deltasquared |
make the lua_api.txt your friend |
| 18:59 |
deltasquared |
even if it doesn't read in a logical order at times >_> |
| 18:59 |
IcyDiamond |
https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html this is my best friend |
| 18:59 |
IcyDiamond |
i always have a browser tab of it |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
yes, you can compare them https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/metadata.cpp#L48 |
| 18:59 |
IcyDiamond |
Krock: awesome! |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
tostring will not work correctly if the meta values are in a different order |
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deltasquared |
Krock: dang |
| 19:00 |
deltasquared |
I didn't think of that |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
^^ |
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IcyDiamond |
lets see, i need to invent and inventory system |
| 19:00 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 19:00 |
deltasquared |
indeterminate iteration order strikes again nagdamnit |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
get_meta() == get_meta() is quite intensive for large objects, so I wouldn't recommend to call it too often (cache + "dirty" flag eventually) |
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deltasquared |
cache all the things |
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rubenwardy |
it can be fast |
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rubenwardy |
it's O(1) if the sizes are different |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
but if it needs to compare everything, then it's slow |
| 19:02 |
IcyDiamond |
wait i can just make a class type deal in lua |
| 19:02 |
deltasquared |
don't write classes in lua just for the sake of it >_> |
| 19:03 |
IcyDiamond |
well i want to keep my :get_size and shizz |
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IcyDiamond |
XD |
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deltasquared |
that's an interface and a constructor, doesn't make it a class per se :P |
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rubenwardy |
classes are great! |
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IcyDiamond |
ok w/e |
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deltasquared |
function mk_counter() local count = 0 return { count = function() local i = count count = i + 1 return count end } end |
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deltasquared |
lambdas are magic |
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deltasquared |
errr closures rather |
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Krock |
pointers are great! |
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deltasquared |
they're also dangerous. :P |
| 19:09 |
deltasquared |
I may not do engine dev but I do C++... raw pointers are to be avoided like the plague |
| 19:10 |
Krock |
I don't see much of a problem there as long they're initialized correctly |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
(* and free'd) |
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deltasquared |
Krock: it's more that they don't always convey what's happening with them |
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ThomasMonroe |
I prefer std::unique_ptrs |
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deltasquared |
ThomasMonroe: +1 |
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deltasquared |
Krock: it's the "don't make mistakes" part which someone will inevitably fail at some point |
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ThomasMonroe |
now..if I have an array or vector of pointers, I'll use raw ptrs |
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ThomasMonroe |
such as std::vector<something*> |
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deltasquared |
what's up with std::vector<std::unique_ptr<T>>? (especially if the vec objects are heap allocated) |
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Krock |
only in a local/function scope |
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deltasquared |
IcyDiamond: you've gone quiet, watching with popcorn yet? :P |
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IcyDiamond |
? |
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IcyDiamond |
im coding |
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* deltasquared |
thinks up a way to do a tron disc weapon |
| 19:15 |
deltasquared |
inb4 disney cease and desist |
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* deltasquared |
counts the number of things which would get him in trouble if he released them... probably |
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* rubenwardy |
sighs https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=19942 |
| 19:16 |
deltasquared |
hmm... I recall nicking the redstone dust item palette |
| 19:16 |
deltasquared |
rubenwardy: deep breaths :P |
| 19:17 |
deltasquared |
though I am curious how one would do the HUD thing client side, would the fix just not be trying to use register_on_joinplayer which evidently doesn't make sense client side |
| 19:18 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
and also doing HUD client side is a 0.5.0-dev feature |
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deltasquared |
all the good stuff seems to be in -dev atm :P |
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rubenwardy |
that's what happens when there's a year between releases |
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rubenwardy |
and also hard work |
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rubenwardy |
bas080 o/ |
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AndroBuilder_ |
Krock: hey how do i compile the server out of the backport 0.4 and will it work with all 0.4.16 clients? |
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AndroBuilder_ |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/backport-0.4 ? |
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sfan5 |
AndroBuilder_: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest -b backport-0.4 |
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sfan5 |
and yes |
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AndroBuilder_ |
great sfan5 thanks :) |
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AndroBuilder_ |
sfan5: do i also need to download / clone minetest_games ? if i need it as server? |
| 20:51 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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sfan5 |
note that there's a backport branch for mtg too |
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AndroBuilder_ |
ah ? :D link? :D |
| 20:54 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/backport-0.4 |
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Krock |
looks like my help isn't required anymore now that I read it |
| 20:55 |
Krock |
!next |
| 20:55 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 20:55 |
AndroBuilder_ |
:D ... lol |
| 20:55 |
AndroBuilder_ |
not working |
| 20:55 |
AndroBuilder_ |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/backport-0.4 |
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AndroBuilder_ |
not found |
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IcyDiamond |
<@sfan5> AndroBuilder_: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest -b backport-0.4 |
| 20:56 |
IcyDiamond |
Wait what |
| 20:56 |
sfan5 |
AndroBuilder_: you need the same -b syntax as above |
| 20:56 |
AndroBuilder_ |
? confused ... the compile tutorial in wiki tells to clone minetest ... and afterwards ... the minetest-game |
| 20:57 |
AndroBuilder_ |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/backport-0.4 |
| 20:57 |
IcyDiamond |
AndroBuilder_: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game -b backport-0.4 |
| 20:57 |
AndroBuilder_ |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game -b backport-0.4 |
| 20:57 |
Krock |
no. same thing again ^ |
| 20:57 |
IcyDiamond |
Do that |
| 20:57 |
Krock |
occasional --depth 1 if you don't need the history |
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Krock |
if that URL doesn't work, add '.git' |
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sfan5 |
AndroBuilder_: also if just need it on a server use this instead: |
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sfan5 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19599&p=311160#p311160 |
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AndroBuilder_ |
ok did the cmake and make as written in dev.minetest |
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AndroBuilder_ |
may i ask what the difference is between http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest this and your link ??? one is for server only? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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AndroBuilder_ |
but what does this change? since the server is also in the client |
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sfan5 |
you install lots of graphical packages on your server |
| 21:01 |
sfan5 |
most people don't mind |
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AndroBuilder_ |
ok ... i compile it myself because the "build in" mtserver in ubuntu confused me big time ... it was started as a service and i din't figure out where to put the mods conf-file and so on ... really confusing |
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AndroBuilder_ |
sfan5: this is great ... perfect script ... do you also have a script for .... start MT server on boot without user logging in ... and restarting the server if it crashes? ^^ |
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sfan5 |
you'd use systemd for that |
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AndroBuilder_ |
i know i found it some place in google last time i struggled but so far didn't find it again but i could add this to your post since that is what most will need also |
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sfan5 |
you can just write it yourself |
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sfan5 |
google "systemd unit file" |
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AndroBuilder_ |
great i think i got this ... and then i need to register this unit file in the boot-... ? |
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sfan5 |
you need to put it into /etc/systemd/system |
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AndroBuilder_ |
did this |
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sofar |
https://gist.github.com/sofar/44bec5c35eb4ca996abd |
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sofar |
AndroBuilder_: if you need a systemd unit file for minetest ^^ |
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AndroBuilder_ |
why do i need a "@" in the filename |
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sfan5 |
you don't need it and you probably don't want it for small single-server installs (simplicitly) |
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AndroBuilder_ |
ok what is it for? |
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sofar |
so you could run multiple minetest servers on the same host |
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sofar |
you would do `sudo systemctl enable minetest world_a` to make the minetest world_a start automatically |
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sofar |
of course, you'd need to make sure the port settings for servers doesn't conflict |
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AndroBuilder_ |
ok |
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AndroBuilder_ |
thanks for the explanation |
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AndroBuilder_ |
https://pastebin.com/k9KyS4uF what is wrong with this systemd file? |
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AndroBuilder_ |
the service is active[exited] ... and don't know what is wrong |
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AndroBuilder_ |
maybe something with directory not found but not sure if this is the error |
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AndroBuilder_ |
all dir. are existing |
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AndroBuilder_ |
https://pastebin.com/GAD7jDJC (with the service status) |
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