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jas_ |
posted 6 hours ago: https://soundcloud.com/user_18081972/tm-eur-r <-- afx's alt |
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jas_ |
weird that acct has no followers/following maybe it's not. dunno why it was even in my feed |
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jas_ |
oh the nick before was https://www.reddit.com/r/aphextwin/comments/3oewt8/spreadsheet_for_user18081971/ but it does change. *confused but grabs timemachine anyway.* |
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jas_ |
meh /me goes back to safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aloryfd5ipw |
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jas_ |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
jas_: AFX - Analord (2005) [Full Series] - YouTube |
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Atomic3c3d |
hey, can somebody tell me what exactly minetest.org is? (not minetest.net) |
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Fuchs |
Atomic3c3d: a website I highly recommend you do not visit |
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loganrun |
what is the correct way to initilize a variable in a .lua module. do I just put myvar=nil on the first line? |
| 10:40 |
Fuchs |
Atomic3c3d: it's a former minetest related person who holds a grudge against some of the devs (and various other people) and uses that website to spread accusations agains them. Also reads logs, extracts IPs and tries to get real information of people so he can pester them in real life as well |
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loganrun |
that sounds bad |
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Atomic3c3d |
I see. Well, that's what I thought. |
| 10:42 |
loganrun |
what was his gripe about |
| 10:43 |
Atomic3c3d |
I mean, yesterday I accidentally visited that site and almost instantly got pm on minetest.net forums with something about child pornography |
| 10:43 |
Atomic3c3d |
So I was kinda worried, maybe somebody hacked official website, etc |
| 10:44 |
Fuchs |
Atomic3c3d: that sounds very much like him, yes |
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Fuchs |
hence: do not visit that page |
| 10:46 |
loganrun |
that is an example of a good case for why surfing the web anonymously should be a viable option for people |
| 10:49 |
loganrun |
unfortunately as far as I know it is not |
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Atomic3c3d |
Well, there is a site, called browserleaks.com |
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Atomic3c3d |
Unfortunately, it's impossible to implement full protection against fingerprinting technologies presented there |
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Atomic3c3d |
Even with tor browser, tons of addons that blocks various firefox apis, etc |
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AntumDeluge |
Wow! That is a serious grudge. |
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AntumDeluge |
Maybe we should all put in a review/rating at WOT: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/minetest.org |
| 11:08 |
loganrun |
yeah, I mean they would still have your IP address etc |
| 11:08 |
loganrun |
no browser leak protection can solve that |
| 11:09 |
loganrun |
wonder why the dude go so pissed off |
| 11:10 |
Taose |
IP addresses are easy enough with a VPN :) |
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AntumDeluge |
I remember reading some kind of conversation that sounded a lot like this. I'm guessing that it was the same person. But I forgot the link. |
| 11:10 |
loganrun |
well it will still have the IP of the VPN server |
| 11:11 |
Taose |
Fine by me XD |
| 11:11 |
loganrun |
perhaps that is good enough but it is not anonymity |
| 11:12 |
Taose |
Anonymous enough |
| 11:12 |
Atomic3c3d |
Well it's not like he can do much with your ip |
| 11:12 |
loganrun |
if you have access to a 3rd party server and you are satisfied with that |
| 11:13 |
loganrun |
it is ultimately traceability, geographic location etc. |
| 11:13 |
loganrun |
but that guy maybe not, but a bigger fish perhaps |
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Atomic3c3d |
If he's so consistent about breaking laws and would do some kind of attack directly, most likely your router dont have any port forwards and doesnt respond to anything from wan |
| 11:14 |
Atomic3c3d |
and, again, most likely you have dynamic ip which changes with every new session |
| 11:14 |
loganrun |
most providers don't change ip very often anymore is my understanding |
| 11:14 |
Atomic3c3d |
and, ip is not very geographically correct - mine, for example, points to a NAT of my provider in another city |
| 11:15 |
loganrun |
Atomic3c3d: so for example he could probably find you on irc by searching for your IP |
| 11:15 |
Atomic3c3d |
No that's not possible |
| 11:15 |
loganrun |
irc shows your ip |
| 11:16 |
loganrun |
try whois on yourself |
| 11:16 |
Atomic3c3d |
I know, it's just still not enough to identify anything |
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AntumDeluge |
Jeez, what a lame life he must have if his only purpose is to harrass Minetest devs. |
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AntumDeluge |
whois AntumDeluge |
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AntumDeluge |
oop |
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AntumDeluge |
oops, lol |
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Atomic3c3d |
My name is different on every device, right now I'm from a mobile network behind a nat and every time I loose my connection my ip changes |
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Raven262 |
whois Raven262 |
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Raven262 |
well |
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Raven262 |
seems it needs a / |
| 11:19 |
loganrun |
Atomic3c3d: well, the nat behind the modbile network won't help since it is still the network node ip that is visible, but I suspect mobile conections change IP periodically |
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Atomic3c3d |
yeah, I wish I could use tor on permanent basis but with all these corrupted nodes and ssl stripping |
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loganrun |
the issue I have with tor is that it is obvious that you are connecting to the tor network |
| 11:22 |
loganrun |
so you are automatically targeted by state players |
| 11:23 |
loganrun |
it is almost like saying please watch what I am doing |
| 11:23 |
loganrun |
not that I do anything that i care that anyone watches,but it just seems odd |
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Raven262 |
Why? Your ISP can track anything you do on the internet. |
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loganrun |
huh |
| 11:26 |
loganrun |
just saying that the Internet is not set up for people to be anonymous and there ar e a few instances where that could be helpful |
| 11:26 |
Atomic3c3d |
the internet changed fast |
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Atomic3c3d |
In 2007, I couldnt even imagine that there would be worldwide Orwell's 1984-like condition |
| 11:29 |
Atomic3c3d |
I live in Russia, and since 2013 we had crazy amount of anti-constitutional laws, targeted to eliminate any privacy |
| 11:30 |
Atomic3c3d |
like, all services are forced to give encryption keys, provide full physical access, isps have to store unecrypted traffic for 6 months, amount of blacklisted sites is overwhelming, everything in russian social networks is being monitored, etc |
| 11:31 |
Atomic3c3d |
vpns and anonymizing services are prohibited |
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Atomic3c3d |
and that's just the tip of iceberg, we have phone number authorization in messengers, now they want to force gamedevs to add phone auth |
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Atomic3c3d |
etc etc |
| 11:33 |
Atomic3c3d |
in one sentence: a circus |
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Atomic3c3d |
anyway enough, it doesnt look like a minetest conversation |
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Taose |
Your ISP can't track anything if you're on a VPN. All they can see is that you're connecting to the VPN server. That's it. |
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AntumDeluge |
That guy is a sicko obsessed with tormenting Vanessa it sounds like. |
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Atomic3c3d |
and they are banning vpn providers |
| 11:50 |
Taose |
Have you considered...moving? |
| 11:51 |
Atomic3c3d |
of course |
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Atomic3c3d |
Sadly, I don't have enough money |
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Atomic3c3d |
rub to $ course is really low now, for example, my month salary is around 350$ if converted to $ |
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Taose |
Yah |
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Atomic3c3d |
its normal money in rub, but in $, obviously, its not mucb |
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Taose |
but Mongolia is not an expensive place |
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yusf |
Can an entity be made to emit light? |
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Surfer2010 |
hi |
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Taose |
Hi ^-^ |
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Surfer2010 |
sry i missed IhrFussel about the Chat-log Mod which does not work on my server |
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Surfer2010 |
and the other question is, can i use a single player world and copy it to a Multiplayer Server? |
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Surfer2010 |
and can i ask new People logging in or every time one logs in, he/she has to answer questions and depending on the answer (or a passw) he/she will be teleported to some different place and this will be automatic the new home point? |
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kilbith_ |
I'll be in London on the 24th-27th Jan. at the Bett Show 2018 for presenting a commercial fork of Minetest. Anyone who wish to come? |
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Taose |
>.> |
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Taose |
that defeats the point of Minetest |
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Taose |
and I'm afraid I can't support a project which pretty much tries to make a profit on everything the developers for Minetest have given away pretty much freely for so long. |
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kilbith_ |
then you're against the philosophy of open-source |
| 13:28 |
red-001 |
what's your fork? |
| 13:29 |
kilbith_ |
Kidscode |
| 13:31 |
Taose |
I'm a huge fan of: Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International not so much Attribution 4.0 International |
| 13:32 |
Taose |
Now if you want to take your experiences from contributing to such a project and create entirely your own material, then that's fine by me. I don't think sponging off other peoples work is in the spirit of open source imo. |
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red-001 |
and I'm a fan of MIT Expat |
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Taose |
See my issue is that I believe a coder should be paid for their work if its used commercially. Unless they've been paid and are donating re-use of their work to the public good. Don't get me wrong, but I don't think celeron55 has been paid at all... |
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Taose |
That's where I'd support MIT Expat for example with Ruby-on-Rails |
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Taose |
Those staff members got paid |
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loganrun |
If I have a function in a module that gets called every time a certain type of block is clicked on, what happens if multiple players are clicking on the blocks, is it run sequentially or handled some other way |
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sfan5 |
loganrun: in whichever order the server happens to process these |
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sfan5 |
(certainly now multi-threaded however) |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
not* |
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loganrun |
well can the function be execution at the same time on two different threads? |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
no |
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Fixer |
kinda sucks |
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loganrun |
o.k. then it occurs sequentially basically then |
| 14:53 |
loganrun |
? |
| 14:53 |
jas_ |
good luck kilbith |
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sfan5 |
loganrun: yes |
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loganrun |
if I to do something to a block in say 10 seconds how do I queue this up since I can't pause the function for 10 seconds without stopping everything |
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sfan5 |
minetest.after |
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jas_ |
!mod warps |
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MinetestBot |
jas_: Warps [warps] (portal|warp|teleport) by sofar - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12005 |
| 14:56 |
jas_ |
this one handles timing using minetest.after for example. there's also minetest.register_globalstep, but i'm not sure about it |
| 14:56 |
loganrun |
sfan5: thanks |
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loganrun |
is minetest.get_content_id("default:cloud") the correct identity of cloud blocks. it seems like this kind of block I can't go through but real clouds I can |
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sfan5 |
the cloud blocks are unrelated to the clouds you see ingame |
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loganrun |
do they have a content id ? |
| 15:01 |
sfan5 |
nope |
| 15:01 |
loganrun |
so that I can generate them |
| 15:01 |
sfan5 |
they don't exist in the world as blocks |
| 15:01 |
sfan5 |
also purely client-side |
| 15:01 |
loganrun |
ahh ok |
| 15:02 |
sfan5 |
if you absolutely want you could emulate the effect of clouds with nodes and then place those |
| 15:02 |
loganrun |
wanted something that would not block a player from walking through it |
| 15:02 |
sy |
sfan5: are clouds the same on all clients? |
| 15:02 |
sfan5 |
no idea |
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Peppy |
Hi, I have trouble with moretrees mod, is this the right place to ask for help ? |
| 15:05 |
sfan5 |
somewhat |
| 15:06 |
Peppy |
works with 0.4.16 installed from PPA on latest Xubuntu, but won't work with 0.4.16 installed from backport on latest Debian |
| 15:06 |
sfan5 |
sounds like debian broke something |
| 15:07 |
Peppy |
mod loads fine anyway |
| 15:08 |
Peppy |
mapgen wouldn't generate trees but works if planting seed from creative inventory |
| 15:12 |
Peppy |
one more thing : minetest-server form Debian but minetest --server from Xubuntu |
| 15:17 |
Surfer2010 |
anyone using the Chat-Log Mod? it's not working on my Server, it is not creating a file at all |
| 15:17 |
Surfer2010 |
can i use a single player world and copy it to a Multiplayer Server? |
| 15:18 |
Surfer2010 |
and can i ask new People logging in or every time one logs in, he/she has to answer questions and depending on the answer (or a passw) he/she will be teleported to some different place and this will be automatic the new home point? |
| 15:19 |
Surfer2010 |
sfan5: allready answered me my last question is possible but has to be put into a mod/programmed |
| 15:19 |
Taose |
Does the application have the necessary permissions to create said file? |
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Surfer2010 |
mh good q. :) i'll check |
| 15:21 |
Taose |
It's probably not what's wrong, but it's permissions that always screw me up |
| 15:22 |
Surfer2010 |
drwxr-xr-x 2 pi pi 4096 Dec 9 09:44 chatlog and server is run by the user pi so it should be fine |
| 15:23 |
Taose |
now... what happens if you do drwxy-wxr-x? |
| 15:23 |
Taose |
oops |
| 15:23 |
Taose |
drwxr-wxr-x |
| 15:24 |
Taose |
Isn't that one to many reads? |
| 15:24 |
Taose |
I am very much guilty of chmod 777... |
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Surfer2010 |
no not changing anything |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default texture licenses: Move some to CC BY-SA 3.0. Remove WTFPL 21b3c84 https://git.io/vb0Fd (2017-12-11T15:58:32Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Book textures: Replace with more original textures 0c84177 https://git.io/vb0FF (2017-12-11T15:58:32Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Improve inner/outer stair descriptions. Code cleanup 0132bfe https://git.io/vb0FN (2017-12-11T15:58:25Z) |
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loganrun |
I am calling minetest.after(3, self.myfunky,99), and function myfunky(index) has index==nil when it is called |
| 16:01 |
loganrun |
does anyone know why |
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rubenwardy |
is that the actual code? |
| 16:02 |
jas_ |
it's not connected to self? (*knows nothing about `self'*) |
| 16:02 |
loganrun |
should I change self to the actual module name? |
| 16:02 |
Taose |
Looks like it's wrapped up into a... |
| 16:03 |
jas_ |
try it without self. |
| 16:03 |
jas_ |
i dunno what that even is, *mind blown* or that setmeta command i see sometimes. whoa, i should print out that PIL book |
| 16:05 |
jas_ |
setmetatable |
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loganrun |
Undeclared global variable "myfunk" accessed |
| 16:05 |
loganrun |
I defined function as myModule:myfunk(index) |
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jas_ |
oh yeah that happened to me a lot, i had to make it a global :'( and still dunno why. but i see in that warps mod, sofar calls a local function with it |
| 16:10 |
loganrun |
jas: so how do I get the parameter passed in, also tried minetest.after(3, self.myfunky(99),99) |
| 16:10 |
jas_ |
i always did it in a function |
| 16:11 |
jas_ |
minetest.after(time, function() do stuff here ... ; ; ;; ; end) |
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jas_ |
but i recently learned about this: minetest.after(dur, method, args1, args2, args3) thing which is sweet |
| 16:11 |
jas_ |
or function, or whatever it's called |
| 16:11 |
jas_ |
i dunno about things that have the colon, like self:do_stuff() :O |
| 16:11 |
loganrun |
yeah that is what I am trying to do, but it doesn't work |
| 16:12 |
Taose |
... okay, can you guys stop talking in Eldritch runes pls. |
| 16:12 |
jas_ |
i see. well try making it a global variable like i did haha, yeah i got nothing |
| 16:12 |
loganrun |
not sure what the colon does either |
| 16:12 |
loganrun |
just saw it as example |
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loganrun |
in the examples they embedded the function code, so maybe that is the only way it works |
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loganrun |
if I do minetest.after(3, self.myfunky,99,98) seems like it gets the value 98, no clue what happens to the 99 |
| 16:20 |
jas_ |
that's the second arg to function(arg1, arg2) |
| 16:20 |
jas_ |
minetest.after(3, funky, 99, 98) => funky(99, 98) after 3 seconds. |
| 16:20 |
jas_ |
i dunno what self is. |
| 16:21 |
loganrun |
yeah but funky only takes 1 argument |
| 16:21 |
jas_ |
i dunno, got a paste of it? |
| 16:22 |
Taose |
Self is the object that minetest.after() is being run inside of |
| 16:22 |
jas_ |
no kidding |
| 16:22 |
jas_ |
wait, do you mean ObjectRef? or object like the method or function itself ? in lua |
| 16:22 |
Taose |
Do we need to know what the object itself is? |
| 16:23 |
Taose |
When I talk about objects I usually mean class. |
| 16:23 |
jas_ |
oh ok cool |
| 16:23 |
jas_ |
thx |
| 16:23 |
Taose |
As for lua |
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* Taose |
grabs a can of petroleum |
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* jas_ |
raises an eyebrow |
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* Taose |
isn't a fan |
| 16:24 |
jas_ |
oh i like it, you do c++? |
| 16:24 |
Taose |
used to, got side tracked by life >.> |
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jas_ |
i would love to learn it for minetest, but not a clue and like you said... life. lua and minetest modding has been fun though. |
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jas_ |
i'm using a bindable mouse button pr but it has bugs and i haven't even looked at it ha |
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jas_ |
the author said they'd look into generic key presses or something, which sounds great |
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jas_ |
personally, i'd like to see more stuff in player_controls. like aux1 |
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jas_ |
would love to say, in a mod, make this action "aux1" or "name2" or whatever, and allow playing to bind a key to it, and make it do thus and so |
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jas_ |
in quake, for example, you could do "alias t echo 1; echo 2" and then "bind <key> vstr t" or something |
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jas_ |
(it's been a while) |
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jas_ |
and zoom was an alias like that, that adjusted fov |
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jas_ |
now zoom is hardcoded in minetest to the binoculars item, 45 degrees |
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jas_ |
ugh |
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jas_ |
i mean, 15... i do 45. |
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jas_ |
but if a CSM mod or some minetest feature allowed client to adjust FOV in game without restart, it wouldn't matter |
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loganrun |
jas_: just changed it to an embedded function that called my function, that seems to work. it is something with the period operator I think |
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jas_ |
ah |
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jas_ |
self.funky instead of self:funky? |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: CSM fixes: load mods after flavours & add flavour to block mod loadin… 308bb69 https://git.io/vb0hc (2017-12-11T16:33:44Z) |
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crazyR |
can anyone explain how "minetest.get_mod_storage" reads data... does it read/write everytime a StorageRef methid is used. or does it cache data in a tabled where possible? |
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crazyR |
*method |
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swift110 |
hey crazyR |
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Krock |
m_mod_storage_save_timer = g_settings->getFloat("server_map_save_interval"); |
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Krock |
^ crazyR, that's the interval when it saves |
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Krock |
of course, save only occurs when there have changes been made |
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Krock |
the stuff is stored in an unordered map - so kinda a lua table with C function call delays |
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crazyR |
thats sounds good. just wanted to make sure that freequent calls wouldnt make a drastic performance diffrence |
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crazyR |
hi swift110 |
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crazyR |
on mapgen v7 what the right settings to stop caverns reaching the surface? does anyone know? i still want to keep caverns and caves but i want them to stay under ground |
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crazyR |
@paramat |
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Cross_over |
hi all, |
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Cross_over |
maybe someone ca help me with an issue im having with some stairs...3 |
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AntumDeluge |
Posted a review of minetest.org on WOT: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/minetest.org :) |
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sofar |
I can definitely encourage others to do this too if you feel like it. |
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