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Flairieve |
Hello |
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Flairieve |
I was trying to make my own mod for Minetest and for some odd reason it seems like the print command doesn't print to the console when I use it on itit.lua? |
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rubenwardy |
check about the minetest ascii art |
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rubenwardy |
*abov |
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lumberJ |
Flairieve, you want to print to the in-game console? |
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lumberJ |
in other words the chat? or the debug file? |
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rubenwardy |
print() prints to the actual console |
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rubenwardy |
or terminal |
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rubenwardy |
the terminal happens to be written to debug.txt as well |
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rubenwardy |
the chat is separate, and is done with minetest.chat_send*. There won't be any players to see the chat when init.lua is ran |
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lumberJ |
alternatively minetest.log(what you want logged) will also print to the debug.txt |
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Flairieve |
Is there any way for a mod to detect once a world is finished loading? |
| 01:32 |
Flairieve |
When I use the lua command print("hello") in my init.lua file, it doesn't appear anywhere in the debug.txt file or the terminal? |
| 01:33 |
lumberJ |
i have had trouble with that too, Flairieve |
| 01:33 |
lumberJ |
try minetest.log() instead |
| 01:33 |
lumberJ |
it may depend on OS but i'm not sure |
| 01:33 |
Flairieve |
I'm using Windows 10 but I can try |
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lumberJ |
well, minetest.log() should work regardless. not sure why print() doesn't seem to work in some cases though. |
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rubenwardy |
Flairieve, minetest.after(0, function() end) |
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rubenwardy |
it should |
| 01:35 |
rubenwardy |
I think you're just missing it, it usually appears above lots of messages that are outputted on load |
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Flairieve |
I went back to the debug.txt file and use the find tool to see that the text doesn't appear, also minetest.log works perfectly so I guess I should be using that instead? |
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rubenwardy |
I'm not sure if print goes to debug.txt, it might just go to the terminal |
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Flairieve |
I tried to see if it went to the terminal but nothing appears |
| 01:38 |
lumberJ |
yeah, i'm sure it goes somewhere, but i've never worried about it too much |
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lumberJ |
i just use minetest.log() :P |
| 01:39 |
rubenwardy |
heh, print has always worked me to the terminal |
| 01:41 |
lumberJ |
rubenwardy, just out of curiosity, what OS do you use? |
| 01:41 |
rubenwardy |
Linux :P |
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rubenwardy |
back when Windows had a terminal window, it worked then |
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rubenwardy |
there may be a setting to get it back |
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lumberJ |
thats what i was wondering |
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rubenwardy |
enable_console = true in minetest.conf |
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lumberJ |
i have run minetest on a usb for windows to teach kids how to mod |
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rubenwardy |
on windows that will open up a black window where print() and other messages are displayed |
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lumberJ |
and the terminal pops up |
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rubenwardy |
that sounds like an older version |
| 01:43 |
lumberJ |
a couple versions back maybe |
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lumberJ |
i don't remember exactly |
| 01:43 |
lumberJ |
btw, while i got you, thanks for putting out that modding book and all your other work |
| 01:43 |
rubenwardy |
Thanks :D |
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lumberJ |
i've come a long way from that |
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Flairieve |
ah then let me try the console then to see if that works |
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rubenwardy |
Shara deserves credit too, she's been working on making it nicer to read |
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rubenwardy |
joint effort |
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Shara |
Mostly you :) |
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lumberJ |
thanks Shara |
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Flairieve |
I tried enable_console = true which did bring up the console but print doesn't show up on it? |
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Flairieve |
oh wait nvm I did something wrong in my code |
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lumberJ |
:D |
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rdococ |
YAY! |
| 07:51 |
rdococ |
For my birthday, I got a Samsung tablet! |
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rdococ |
I've already installed Firefox Beta and the official Minetest app! |
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w_laenger |
Who is ironyremarks? |
| 09:12 |
w_laenger |
I've got a private message from him/her and I can't find the user |
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w_laenger |
†|
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Krock |
w_laenger, that's OC |
| 09:20 |
w_laenger |
What does OC mean? |
| 09:22 |
w_laenger |
How are tables in lua implemented? |
| 09:22 |
Krock |
OldCoder, owner of http://minetest.org/ |
| 09:23 |
w_laenger |
Do they use a hashmap or a search tree? |
| 09:23 |
w_laenger |
ok, I also got another email from OldCoder |
| 09:23 |
Krock |
w_laenger, magic could inside and a giant bubble around with twigs for the API functions |
| 09:23 |
Krock |
*cloud inside |
| 09:24 |
Krock |
ask Mike Pall or another Lua(JIT) developer |
| 09:25 |
w_laenger |
I guess it's documented somewhere online, but I can't search for it because it always shows how to use the table |
| 09:26 |
w_laenger |
I got a mail from ‮moc.yriafhtoot stcejorp-oof |
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Krock |
I also get mails from hot women from around the world and win a million dollar each week by coincidence |
| 09:27 |
Krock |
100% legit |
| 09:28 |
w_laenger |
There're those redirection servers, e.g. http://www.onclickmax.com/a/display.php?r=1588287&sub1=4-65436&treqn=443197223&runauction=1&crr=d83d1a41350fb84dcf90ENTJyQHcvZjMlQ0MlEDdw9mNyUCNygDN2YDRzUCZpJWdzZjMlQ0Mlwmc1RmNyUCOzAzN5Q0MlUmbvpnNyUiNzQTN2Q0MlQWazZjMlcTOxMjNENTJklGc2ITJ0Q0MlQWauZ0MlAHaw5CcvBHZGJTJyVGduV2Y4B3YGJTJt92YuYnczRWYzVWeuEmRyUiRyUSQzUCc0RHaa5302d0c45a7a4bdef9a&cbrandom=0.4828269138664779&cbtitle=&cbiframe=0&cbWidth=1920&cbHeig |
| 09:28 |
w_laenger |
ht=898&cbdescription=&cbkeywords=&cbref=http%3A%2F%2Fa.yesadsrv.com%2Fcpxcenter%2Fdpop.php%3Fnid%3D4%26pid%3D63197%26sid%3D65436%26zone%3D97038%26durl%3D%26subid%3D664824%26opt1%3D%26opt2%3D |
| 09:28 |
w_laenger |
sry, I didn't expect this to be such a long address |
| 09:32 |
w_laenger |
Strangely I found it in an instant now although last time it wasn't found so easily https://www.lua.org/doc/jucs05.pdf |
| 09:36 |
w_laenger |
I'm thinking about how to implement a FIFO queue in lua efficiently |
| 09:37 |
w_laenger |
I guess if I set the values of the content taken from the FIFO to nil, it's not longer recognized as array, is it? |
| 09:39 |
w_laenger |
I could also use a ring queue in some situations… |
| 09:49 |
red-001 |
w_laenger, welcome to the mailing list |
| 09:51 |
w_laenger |
Does _G also have the hybrid table behaviour? |
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red-001 |
he doesn't tend to follow the regulations on unsolicited mail. |
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red-001 |
w_laenger, _G is just a normal table |
| 09:55 |
w_laenger |
normal tables have hybrid behaviour (hashtable and array) |
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w_laenger |
It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would use _G as array for something |
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red-001 |
w_laenger, but they can if they want to |
| 10:07 |
red-001 |
pretty sure that the array thing is just syntax sugar |
| 10:09 |
w_laenger |
No, lua tables indeed consist of an array and a hashtable part, see https://www.lua.org/doc/jucs05.pdf |
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rdococ |
Yay! |
| 10:22 |
rdococ |
I am on my tablet! |
| 10:22 |
JayTheNinja23 |
hi |
| 10:22 |
rdococ |
Hi. |
| 10:22 |
red-001 |
ah I see you are trying to use the internals of lua to optimise your code |
| 10:22 |
rdococ |
Yay for Samsung! |
| 10:22 |
JayTheNinja23 |
LOL |
| 10:23 |
* JayTheNinja23 |
is happy, today |
| 10:23 |
JayTheNinja23 |
guys can you help me please? |
| 10:23 |
red-001 |
w_laenger, you might want to look up the luaJIT implementation |
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JayTheNinja23 |
hi megaf |
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rdococ |
well, gonna install other stuff. Not installed anything ad-infested yet! |
| 10:24 |
red-001 |
hi Megaf |
| 10:25 |
w_laenger |
For now I'd like to know wheter I should set unused values (from 1 to minp) to nil in a FIFO |
| 10:25 |
red-001 |
I don't know, that's really low level stuff |
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w_laenger |
In the code it's just 1 line difference |
| 10:26 |
red-001 |
this seems like premature optimization |
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red-001 |
you are looking at stuff that might very well be different in different implementations of one Lua version |
| 10:28 |
red-001 |
much less different lua versions |
| 10:28 |
w_laenger |
Yes, maybe the garbage collector also has an influence on how the array part behaves |
| 10:28 |
red-001 |
well ask in #lua |
| 10:29 |
red-001 |
and #luaJIT |
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Megaf |
Hi red-001 |
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w_laenger |
Can you use this pattern for floors in minetest? http://b.reich.io/hahjfe.png |
| 11:59 |
sfan5 |
sure, just build a floor according to that pattern with two distintively colored nodes |
| 11:59 |
sfan5 |
distinctively* |
| 12:01 |
w_laenger |
I often see players don't add patterns to floors, walls and ceilings, why is this? |
| 12:01 |
sfan5 |
lack of care |
| 12:02 |
deltasquared |
well half joking, but that particular one makes my eyes go funny :P |
| 12:02 |
deltasquared |
everyone has their own idea of art styles in MT anyway |
| 12:05 |
w_laenger |
no, there are some people who copy things from ‮tfarcenim†|
| 12:06 |
Shara |
It's like asking why the kiddies insist on building weirdly shaped box houses out of nothing but wool. |
| 12:06 |
Krock |
wool? they use cobble or dirt |
| 12:06 |
Shara |
Usually wool on my server. |
| 12:06 |
Shara |
It's creative and I guess they like the colours. |
| 12:06 |
Krock |
sometimes also sand from a desert that looks like it has only plain stone because it was all removed |
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w_laenger |
On survival servers I often see cobblestone ruins built by players |
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Shara |
It makes sense on survival |
| 12:12 |
w_laenger |
They look great as ruins imo, only the moss and some plants are missing |
| 12:12 |
Shara |
But I prefer to see my players making works of art than cobble shacks :) |
| 12:12 |
w_laenger |
It happens especially when cobblestone is in give_initial_stuff |
| 12:12 |
deltasquared |
who needs worldgen structures, we got players to do it for us ;) |
| 12:13 |
w_laenger |
deltasquared, yes, it is impossible to generate nice cities |
| 12:14 |
w_laenger |
The villages mod e.g. puts houses and roads but they all look the same, once you know those houses |
| 12:14 |
Shara |
Looks the same + tend to smash server performance, from my experience |
| 12:16 |
w_laenger |
Unfortunately there are some admins who remove cobblestone buildings |
| 12:17 |
deltasquared |
there was another server that I played on in the other block game (which will go unnamed because the community on this server was ultimately toxic), that had not changed it's map in six years or so. there are structures all over the place that you keep discovering, variation that no mod/plugin could ever match |
| 12:17 |
deltasquared |
oh, and some crazy person had dug tunnels going for literally millions of blocks along axis lines and such. |
| 12:18 |
Fixer |
minecraft? |
| 12:19 |
deltasquared |
Fixer: yes. |
| 12:19 |
Fixer |
some minetest servers has same features, incl huge tunnels on axis |
| 12:20 |
Fixer |
huge road ways to end of the world in minetest were already constructed in 2011 |
| 12:21 |
Shara |
I have a player who has spent about a year now just digging decorative tunnels to connect all major building sites. Then another group working on subway tunnels for the same. |
| 12:21 |
Shara |
It can be interesting to stumble onto new bits of the networks you never saw before. |
| 12:22 |
Shara |
Found a giant cave off one once, where they have made sculptures of giant spiders... eyes light up from mesecons when you get close. :) |
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Fixer |
this naturally suggests minetest should have a new mod called Drill (with at least 3x3 digging) |
| 12:24 |
w_laenger |
Do you mean the technic mining drill? |
| 12:24 |
deltasquared |
Shara: that would creep me the hell out, I forgot about mesecon player detectors... |
| 12:24 |
w_laenger |
Or the hammer item? |
| 12:24 |
deltasquared |
hmm, a hammer tool class would be cool |
| 12:24 |
Shara |
deltasquared: yea... I have had some pretty creative players. They were in dark areas as well, so you didn't always seen them until the eye lit up. |
| 12:25 |
w_laenger |
That hammer mod removes nodes instead of digging, which is a bug |
| 12:25 |
deltasquared |
Shara: I hope no screens were punched in the process |
| 12:25 |
Shara |
Heh |
| 12:25 |
Fixer |
w_laenger: kinda, but without technic :) |
| 12:25 |
deltasquared |
speaking of tool classes, I'm reminded of tinker's construct from MC... battle signs and frying pans, anybody? |
| 12:26 |
Fixer |
technic is huge dependancy |
| 12:26 |
Shara |
Independent drill mod would be nice. |
| 12:26 |
Shara |
Not everyone wants technic itself |
| 12:26 |
deltasquared |
but someone using technic would inevitably argue that if you *did* then have technic also that the non-technic one would be OP |
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Shara |
deltasquared: would all depend on how the mod handled it, and what the goal of the server is. |
| 12:27 |
Shara |
My main server is creative, so if something makes it easier for players to build amazing things, I'm all for it. |
| 12:28 |
w_laenger |
Shara, how about the replacer mod? |
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Shara |
w_laenger: I've thought about adding it, but I just don't like it for some reason |
| 12:29 |
deltasquared |
wrt items such as drills, I personally find it annoying that technic's ones require shotgunning the mouse, because there isn't a way to bind mouse click to a continuous-fire callback while wielding an item |
| 12:29 |
deltasquared |
though, I guess any such mechanism would have to take into count elapsed time and server lag etc. |
| 12:29 |
w_laenger |
deltasquared, technic_extras makes mining drills automatic |
| 12:30 |
deltasquared |
w_laenger: hmm? I'll have to look at how that works |
| 12:30 |
deltasquared |
!mod technic_extras |
| 12:30 |
MinetestBot |
deltasquared: More technic mod features [technic_extras] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11636 |
| 12:31 |
w_laenger |
mk3* |
| 12:32 |
deltasquared |
"weirdores:antimese" lel |
| 12:33 |
deltasquared |
!mod weirdores |
| 12:33 |
MinetestBot |
deltasquared: Weird ores (and antigravity) [weirdores] by Zeg9 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5721 |
| 12:33 |
Krock |
Does anyone have an idea why there are so many <name> + 3-digit players on the servers? |
| 12:33 |
Shara |
Krock: apps |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
random name generating apps? |
| 12:34 |
Shara |
Yup. |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
eeks |
| 12:34 |
Shara |
I know. |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
ban *@*.* |
| 12:34 |
deltasquared |
if that's an attempt at anonymity I don't really know how useful it'd be |
| 12:34 |
deltasquared |
considering loss of items etc. |
| 12:34 |
Shara |
It's not the players' fault there are so many stupid apps. |
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w_laenger |
minetest clones? |
| 12:35 |
deltasquared |
I would assume there exists something equivalent to "minechat" as well, a simple client that only handles the chat protocol |
| 12:35 |
sfan5 |
don't think so |
| 12:36 |
deltasquared |
oh? it seems something someone with some spare time would do |
| 12:36 |
deltasquared |
granted, you'd probably have to simulate *some* behaviour to not be kicked for hovering or something |
| 12:38 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: btw, I was looking at the boat code the other day, noticed that it seemed to be continuously retrieving the player's controls object. would bad things happened if you tried to store this reference somewhere? or is there actually no-where to keep it |
| 12:38 |
sfan5 |
isn't get_controls just a table |
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deltasquared |
no idea, haven't looked at the lua API doc closely on this one |
| 12:39 |
deltasquared |
... oh, it's a table of values |
| 12:39 |
deltasquared |
I'm an idiot |
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deltasquared |
second question, what happens if you store a playerref and then they log out, does the ref just start being a no-op or returning errors? |
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sfan5 |
probably segfaults |
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deltasquared |
wow, really? so there's no sane way to hang onto a player ref in a way that the engine can protect itself against? |
| 12:44 |
deltasquared |
that said, given that a playerref is userdata, likely there's a C++ pointer or something somewhere. so you'd either have to make *that* refcounted or basically say any playerref that is stored between callbacks becomes invalid |
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sfan5: question, if I don't pass param values to swap_node, will the game preserve them? like if I just specify swap_node(pos, { name="default:water" }) |
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deltasquared |
(let's assume the nodes under question have the same meanings for param values |
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deltasquared |
) |
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deltasquared |
I guess it wouldn't, considering my existing use of them |
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sfan5 |
likely not |
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deltasquared |
yeah I just realised as I thought about it, I've been using swap_node to things but preserve metadata |
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deltasquared |
so if param2 was preserved say then the water would go all squiffy, as it does other things with that |
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[git] DS-Minetest -> minetest-mods/mesecons: MVPS: Improve object move (#367) c4a1aa0 https://git.io/vdzb7 (2017-10-08T15:18:47Z) |
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fireglow |
~seen hybriddog |
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ShadowBot |
fireglow: I haven't seen hybriddog in #minetest. |
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fireglow |
hrm |
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[git] DS-Minetest -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Rewrite pistons (#362) 928f04f https://git.io/vdzhk (2017-10-08T16:21:19Z) |
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Krock |
fireglow, w_laenger isn't online anymore |
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fireglow |
ooh, that's a shame |
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fireglow |
his darkage fork had a few nice nodes in it, but could use some updating from the upstream project |
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Krock |
open an issue |
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[git] DS-Minetest -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Improve movestones (#366) 7094f0b https://git.io/vdzh9 (2017-10-08T16:41:22Z) |
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sovetskiy |
Hello everubody. How can I use custom pickaxe in minetest.node_dig method? minetest.node_dig(pos, node, digger, custom_itemstack) where custom_itemstack is some pickaxe |
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lumberJ |
sovetskiy why are you trying to insert it into the method like that? what do you want the pick axe to do? |
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sovetskiy |
I want to switch to another pickaxe in some cases while digging nodes |
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lumberJ |
hmm, minetest.register_on_punchnode might be a better method to try to do that with |
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lumberJ |
http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_on_punchnode |
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sovetskiy |
node_dig adds wear to current wielded tool. I don't know how to switch to another tool because method player:set_wielded_item require itemstack that REPLACE with currrent one |
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lumberJ |
so if i am understanding for example if you are digging dirt and then you start hitting stone you would want it to automatically switch to your custom pickaxe? |
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sovetskiy |
I if hit stone I can't break with current pickaxe I want to switch to tougher pickaxe. Sometimes I want to make opposite - to switch to simpler pickaxe (stone) to break simple stones in order not to waste steel pickaxe |
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lumberJ |
well, that will require a lot of code for something you basically do very easily in game, if you have all your tools handy. |
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lumberJ |
you will basically have to run that method for every possible block you could mine |
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lumberJ |
but say you wanted to do that, i still think on_punch_node is the way to go |
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what do you suggest by using on_punch_node method? |
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lumberJ |
because it will register as you are digging rather once the node is dug |
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lumberJ |
node_dig actually digs the node |
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lumberJ |
where as you don't really want to do anything out of the normal to the node you are digging. the node is simply the signal for a swap to happen in your inventory as you are digging |
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JayTheNinja |
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fireglow |
Krock: is w_laenger still active as a modder? |
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Krock |
dunno |
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fireglow |
do you think adrido would import some nodes from a fork? |
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fireglow |
https://github.com/adrido/darkage and https://github.com/HybridDog/darkage - these are the two projects |
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Krock |
yes, if there's a PR.. otherwise I doubt there's going to happen anything |
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fireglow |
mhm |
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Krock |
it's always good to have a more up-to-date original repo than forks IMO |
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Fixer_ |
lol |
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Fixer_ |
actually there are 3 darkages |
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Fixer_ |
at minimum |
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fireglow |
:S |
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fireglow |
forking is easy, merging is hard |
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Fixer_ |
iirc this is more original darkage https://github.com/davisonio/darkage |
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fireglow |
oh my |
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fireglow |
let's fix all issues by creating the N+1th fork! |
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Hawk777 |
https://xkcd.com/927/ seems relevant |
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fireglow |
yes |
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