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00:20	kupi	hi
00:21	kupi	>As of 0.4.10, the map is a cube with a side length of 61840 node lengths.
00:21	kupi	what is the source of that magic number?
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04:02	Wooden_	hello
04:02	bigfoot547	Hi Wooden_
04:03	bigfoot547	Are you WoodenPlanks?
04:03	Wooden_	is there a way to set number of account per player?
04:03	Wooden_	yes
04:04	bigfoot547	You can have as many accounts as you want unless the server has names_per_ip mod.
04:04	Wooden_	ah ok thanks :)
04:04	bigfoot547	In which case, ask the server owner.
04:07	bigfoot547	G'night!
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04:19	redblade7	hi
04:19	redblade7	i'm not staying long but VanessaE i left a comment on homedecor modpack on a closed bug
04:19	redblade7	if a bed is one of 5 colors there is a crash
04:19	redblade7	you might want to reopen/investigate it
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04:26	* VanessaE	looks
04:29	VanessaE	Ok, I can reproduce that.
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04:30	VanessaE	wait, it's crashing inside of minetest_game
04:31	VanessaE	minetest_game bug
04:31	VanessaE	all I pass to beds mod is position and clicker name.
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04:35	redblade7	it's late and i'm too tired to file any more bugs
04:36	redblade7	will probably go to bed soon
04:36	redblade7	later
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09:02	hisforever	Hi I'm getting thi error here is a shot of it http://imgur.com/a/loi3Z any help please?
09:03	Raven262	You have modname conflicts here
09:03	Krock	update your minetest version.
09:03	Raven262	and it would be wise to remove the farming mod, since it is not loaded anyway
09:04	Raven262	you also require farming_plus for that other mod
09:04	Krock	dreambuilder seems to use the new minetest.settings object, which didn't exist in <= 0.4.15
09:04	Krock	Raven262, please notice that these are only warnings, which have a lower priority
09:05	Raven262	yea i know
09:05	Raven262	butt he main bug eludes me here
09:05	Raven262	*but
09:05	hisforever	ok ty
09:07	Krock	my screen has 1.249 times more pixels :P
09:07	Raven262	lol, res?
09:07	Raven262	mine is 1280x1024
09:08	Krock	1280x1024 here
09:08	Krock	uh nice. same pixel amount
09:08	Raven262	I myself don't require a larger screen
09:08	Raven262	though two screens wouldn't be bad
09:09	Raven262	the bad thing is that i have only one output on my graphics card
09:09	Raven262	rip
09:11	Krock	two outputs here.. but no 2nd digital screen for DVI
09:11	Raven262	I only have one VGA
09:12	Raven262	probably cause i have only integrated graphics card
09:12	Raven262	when i get a better one i might as well buy two more screens
09:12	Raven262	smaller screens
09:12	Raven262	1024x768
09:12	Raven262	to use as side screens or whatsoever
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09:21	hisforever	Hi again Where do I find the newest minetest for archlinux?
09:22	WSDguy2014	Hello guys, i saw on the video from YouTube channel "WatchMojo" called "Top 10 Minecraft Clones", in number 3 spot on the list, it uses a Minetest engine. Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWM6Ppe_uY&t=5m37s
09:22	red-001	hisforever, the repo
09:22	red-001	it got updated
09:22	hisforever	thanks red
09:22	red-001	and it's now using the latest stable
09:23	red-001	if you want dev builds use AUR
09:23	WSDguy2014	Where is Wuzzy? he need to know for this Minetest clone.
09:23	red-001	!seen Wuzzy
09:23	MinetestBot	red-001: wuzzy was last seen at 2017-06-15 18:14:12 UTC on #minetest
09:23	red-001	~seen Wuzzy
09:23	ShadowBot	red-001: I saw Wuzzy in #minetest 1 day, 15 hours, 9 minutes, and 36 seconds ago saying "and make it appear in the relevant forums, of course"
09:24	red-001	ah "It's hud also appear to be the worst problem here"
09:28	red-001	the comments on the video are great
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10:06	hisforever	My os is manjaro whitch ia arch based. I'd like to know hwo to build mintest from source code?
10:08	hisforever	can anyone point me in the right direction Please
10:09	red-001	read the wiki
10:09	hisforever	ok ty red
10:10	red-001	if you have minetest installed you should already have all the libs needed
10:10	red-001	!tell hisforever if you have minetest installed you should already have all the libs needed
10:10	MinetestBot	red-001: I'll pass that on when hisforever is around
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10:58	Alfred55	hey guys ive got a problem with my server :(
11:01	Alfred55	where do i install mods on debian server with no graphical gui
11:01	red-001	~/minetest/mods
11:02	red-001	and enable them in world.mt
11:02	red-001	or just copy them to world/worldmods
11:04	Alfred55	ohh thank you
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11:39	Alfred55	hey can you pls tell me the exact folder where to put mods in debian without graphical gui ?
11:39	ThomasMonroe	in .minetest/mods
11:40	ThomasMonroe	er /home/username/.minetest/mods
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12:34	Alfred55	i got some errors while installing mods with the mods areas and moreblocks
12:35	Alfred55	2017-06-17 08:33:15: ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'taiga' 2017-06-17 08:33:15: ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'snowy_grassland' 2017-06-17 08:33:15: ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'grassland' 2017-06-17 08:33:15: ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'coniferous_forest' 2017-06-17 08:33:15: ERROR[Main]: get_biome_list: failed to get biome 'deciduous_forest' 2017-0
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12:54	IhrFussel	If I remove an entity via obj:remove() it will NOT drop any items..correct?
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12:54	comradmax	holla
12:55	IhrFussel	The mod I'm talking about it Mobs Redo
12:55	IhrFussel	is*
12:55	comradmax	is it normal to have 20 fps?
12:58	comradmax	16gb ram, quad core cpu, 4gb 1050Ti and i still get 20fps
13:11	Calinou	comradmax: what settings do you use?
13:12	Calinou	make sure "Full view range" isn't enabled
13:34	comradmax	i have that set to 400, not full
13:35	comradmax	http://imgur.com/a/ET9Ke
13:36	IhrFussel	comradmax, 400 is CRAZY
13:37	IhrFussel	I don't understand people who need more than 100 ... I am pleased with 50
13:37	comradmax	400 is about as far as the game will render the blocks
13:37	IhrFussel	Minetest doesn't run well on ANY PC with viewing range 400
13:38	comradmax	more than that and i start to see the edge of the world
13:38	comradmax	cpu limited?
13:38	IhrFussel	You seem to forget that Minetest is a SINGLETHREADED game
13:38	comradmax	yes, i completely forgot
13:38	IhrFussel	I still don't see why you would need 400
13:38	comradmax	to see everything there is
13:38	IhrFussel	Turn it down to 100 or 200
13:39	comradmax	i'll try that
13:39	IhrFussel	You DONT need to see everything from 400 nodes away
13:39	IhrFussel	Tell me one usecase for such a viewing range
13:39	comradmax	i cant, just as yoiu cant tell me any usecase for this whole game
13:40	IhrFussel	Are you a troll or something?
13:41	comradmax	complaints abotu performance in 2017 != trolling
13:41	comradmax	but i remember about the single thread now
13:41	red-001	hey whats the usecase for anything
13:41	comradmax	exactly
13:42	red-001	it's not fully singlethread but a lot of the core logic runs in
13:42	red-001	one thread
13:42	IhrFussel	There are usecases for the game obviously...or else there wouldn't be 100+ public servers
13:43	comradmax	obvious things are obvious
13:43	IhrFussel	red-001, only mapgen can run in multithread AFAIK
13:43	red-001	wow it takes forever to update QT5
13:43	red-001	server and client are always seperate threads
13:43	red-001	and there is mapgen etc
13:44	IhrFussel	But Client and Server don't use different cores I think...I was refering to the use of cores
13:45	red-001	and I think mesh generation has it's own thread
13:45	comradmax	i was disapointed that world is not generated farther than ~500. it would be nice to see it all like a map as you fly/climb up
13:45	red-001	I don't think the core on which the thread is run is something a programme write in c++ can set
13:46	red-001	that sounds like really low level stuff
13:46	red-001	there is a decent chance I'm wrong through
13:46	IhrFussel	If Minetest would use multiple cores machines with 4+ cores would have way better performance than a singlecore machine...and that isn't really the case
13:47	sfan5	comradmax: you can make it generate further if you tweak the correct settings
13:47	red-001	IhrFussel, singleplayer or multiplayer server/client?
13:48	IhrFussel	I was talking about server performance now...I never played MT extensively in singleplayer but I firgured it would be about the same minus network lag
13:48	comradmax	sfan5, i have. the only thing that i can really do is fly around as far as i can to gen the terrain, THEN i can come back to the center and see it farther than 500. but standing in one spot will not gen terrain past 500
13:48	red-001	well then you wouldn't see the biggest thread/core division of the client and server
13:48	sfan5	you might have missed a setting then
13:51	comradmax	possible. but i tried all the settings in the config file and suggestions from here. maybe it needs to be a custom build. the generation only happens up to the 3x3 9 cel total, if you stand
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13:53	red-001	chunk size\
13:53	comradmax	i've changed that
13:53	comradmax	no effect
13:54	comradmax	the 9 chunks are still the same size
13:55	red-001	block send distance
13:56	red-001	huh it doesn't seem to increas by much
13:57	comradmax	"not by much"? or not at all because you thought it should work?
13:57	comradmax	what abou tthe chunk grid 3x3, i was not able to change that to higher either
13:57	comradmax	perhaps these settings are hardcoded
13:59	red-001	it just seems that muiltple settings are limiting it
14:00	comradmax	so there may be a combination that will make it happen?
14:00	red-001	also increas max block sends
14:00	red-001	yes I think I managed to get an improvement on the default
14:02	red-001	https://paste.ee/p/6Eu8R
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14:02	red-001	it's a bit of an overkill for my system and I'm getting a lower frame rate so maybe some of those are too high
14:03	red-001	but if you have a better system it might work just fine
14:05	comradmax	i appreciate it, will try those in my config. i will be back later tho, need to change brakes on car.
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16:04	paramat	~tell comradmax you need to increase 'max block generate distance' https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1183
16:04	ShadowBot	paramat: O.K.
16:06	paramat	~tell comradmax and increase 'max block send distance' to match it
16:06	ShadowBot	paramat: O.K.
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16:08	TheUltimateMineT	Hey ive got a problem with pipeworks can you tell me how to fix ?
16:08	TheUltimateMineT	http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4755/gyxljsw6_png.htm
16:15	DI3HARD139	Try changing Line 33 to: pipeworks[name] = minetest.setting_get_bool(prefix..name)
16:15	DI3HARD139	in the default_settings.lua file
16:16	DI3HARD139	Also, What version of Minetest are you running?
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16:18	kupi	hi
16:19	kupi	02:21:22 <kupi> >As of 0.4.10, the map is a cube with a side length of 61840 node lengths.
16:19	kupi	02:21:29 <kupi> what is the source of that magic number?
16:19	TheUltimateMineT	heres nobody to help xD
16:20	TheUltimateMineT	but can you tell me how to fix the following error ? http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4755/gyxljsw6_png.htm
16:20	red-001	2^16
16:21	red-001	- some werid mapgen stuff
16:22	TheUltimateMineT	pls help me
16:23	red-001	update your minetest version
16:23	red-001	or use an old version of pipeworks
16:23	kupi	red-001: that is 65536
16:23	kupi	not 61840
16:24	kupi	>some werid mapgen stuff
16:24	kupi	oh
16:25	TheUltimateMineT	where to find an old version of pipeworks ?
16:26	TheUltimateMineT	can you send me an link pls ?
16:26	red-001	it's somewhere close to 65536
16:26	red-001	61840 is way off
16:26	red-001	also are you qouting yourself?
16:29	TheUltimateMineT	can you send me an link to pipeworks old verion ?
16:30	DI3HARD139	https://github.com/minetest-mods/pipeworks/tree/9ade40ac65681a49732ddf7ceabe62c1eb7a7022
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17:11	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Cpp11 initializers 2 (#5999) 8f77857 https://git.io/vHhlQ (2017-06-17T17:11:28Z)
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18:05	comradmax	red-001, i treid your settings, i see no effect on anything at all. here are before and after screenshots, 1st is your settings, 2nd is even higher settings: https://imgur.com/a/U9Igz. my full config for the 2nd image: https://paste.ee/p/rdawC
18:08	comradmax	trying what paramat said
18:10	comradmax	you are my hero paramat, i am seeing a major diff now
18:10	comradmax	also my computer is dieing from all this load, this is great
18:17	comradmax	~tell paramat that was the secred sauce, thank you!
18:17	ShadowBot	comradmax: O.K.
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18:21	paramat	good
18:22	comradmax	https://imgur.com/a/8FMtb with these settings: https://paste.ee/p/1NboI
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18:24	paramat	oh, the 'block distance' settings are in 'blocks' = 16 nodes, so 1000 = 16000 nodes
18:25	paramat	those settings are effectively infinite
18:25	paramat	you want 1000/16
18:27	paramat	even that is big
18:27	paramat	^ comradmax
18:30	comradmax	gotcha, that's crazy then
18:31	comradmax	can time be stopped from console?
18:32	DS-minetest	!c 1000/16
18:32	MinetestBot	62.5
18:33	comradmax	!c 1/0
18:33	MinetestBot	ZeroDivisionError: division by zero
18:33	ShadowNinja	comradmax: /set time_speed 0
18:33	paramat	also, 'client mapblock limit' will limit how many mapblocks the client can store, the default 5000 is only enough for 17^3 mapblocks, 273^3 nodes , but the mesh data for 5000 can be up to 1GB
18:33	paramat	if you have the RAM increase 'client mapblock limit'
18:34	comradmax	i have that at 15000
18:34	paramat	ok
18:34	paramat	ok i see it now
18:35	comradmax	what's emergequeue_ settings about?
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18:40	sfan5	map generation
18:40	sfan5	basically
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18:58	EDAKIRI	I got the GitHub Minetest repository with git clone --depth=1 and the branch 0.4.16.
18:59	EDAKIRI	Now I wish to shallow fetch the GitHub (origin) master branch. How ? What I tried was apparently not adequate or was incorrect.
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19:00	VanessaE	why not just `git clone <url>` without any switches?
19:00	VanessaE	that's how you're supposed to do it.
19:00	EDAKIRI	There is not one way that "you're supossed to do it." That is why the options exist.
19:00	VanessaE	you can then `git checkout stable-0.4` if you want to stay on that branch
19:00	EDAKIRI	I don't need all revisions and history.
19:01	VanessaE	(assuming the devs are still using that branch at all)
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19:02	comradmax	have you tried --depth=1 on master?
19:03	red-001	ah git the master of having so many ways to do it that you don't know the right one
19:04	EDAKIRI	This did fetch some info. git fetch --depth=1 origin master
19:04	EDAKIRI	however master branch is not seen in git branch -a
19:04	comradmax	git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git --depth=1
19:04	comradmax	is this what you wish for?
19:05	comradmax	git pull?
19:06	EDAKIRI	comradmax: The clone command you typed creates a repository with only 1 revision and branch: the current master.
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19:06	EDAKIRI	I wish to have a repository with the 0.4.16 tag or branch and master.
19:06	comradmax	replace with git pull
19:07	comradmax	ok, so go in there and pull the tag at this point, should be what you want?
19:08	EDAKIRI	So, with git pull, i get it, just as with fetch, but it is still not listed and i can not 'checkout master'
19:08	comradmax	i worked with a programmer who would type 'git pool' each time i helped him
19:09	comradmax	Joe, type git pull origin master. 'git pool origin master'...
19:10	VanessaE	git...pool?
19:10	comradmax	ye
19:11	VanessaE	pfft
19:11	comradmax	snakes, i hate snakes
19:11	EDAKIRI	There was an error message with the git pull: fatal: refusing to merge unrelated histories
19:12	EDAKIRI	Wouldn't 0.4.16 be an ancestor of the current master head ?
19:12	comradmax	this error means you have to change what you're doing
19:12	comradmax	checkout latest master, make new branch off of that, apply any custom code you had
19:13	comradmax	maybe you need all of master history
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19:14	comradmax	what's ur usecase for what you're trying to do ?
19:15	VanessaE	he's trying to save bandwidth :P
19:15	VanessaE	or disk space
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19:15	VanessaE	(the whole repo is only 121 MB)
19:19	EDAKIRI	Both of what vanessa wrote and to understand Git.
19:19	comradmax	git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git master
19:19	comradmax	that's only 75mb
19:19	EDAKIRI	and don't want extraneous branches in my repo.
19:19	VanessaE	EDAKIRI: https://xkcd.com/1597/
19:19	comradmax	yes
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19:21	comradmax	EDAKIRI, do you know this? https://leanpub.com/git-flow/read
19:21	comradmax	Joe never read that one article i sent him, he kept typing 'git pool' and asking for help. this is a true story, i just changed his name
19:22	comradmax	the error that you got shold never happen if the flow is right
19:26	EDAKIRI	Does minetest use rebase ?
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19:30	EDAKIRI	I get the same 'unrelated histories' even if i clone --single-branch master instead of depth=1
19:31	EDAKIRI	clone and then pull other branch
19:32	comradmax	what are you trying to do, what's the actual usecase ?
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19:33	redblade7	VanessaE: so what's going on with the beds issue, you said we need to report this to the minetest people?
19:33	comradmax	sounds like you want to start on master and merge an older version of it
19:36	VanessaE	redblade7: I already poked paramat about it.
19:37	redblade7	yeah sorry i took off last night, normally i'm a night owl but i was too tired
19:39	VanessaE	redblade7: it's customary to withhold any bug reports until a time when you can be here to discuss them after filing :P
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19:46	comradmax	im starting to think that a major reason for not seeing more blocks is client_mapblock_limit just not being set high enough
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20:24	bigfoot547	Hi all\|knowing
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20:26	swift110	hey guys
20:26	bigfoot547	Hi again'
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20:39	swift110	lol
20:42	jcalve	is setting texture_path = textures/pack_name in the server's minetest.conf how you make clients who join use a texture pack?
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20:43	red-001	apprently using settings is too hard so the server is hardcoded to send the texturepack called "server"
20:44	jcalve	O_O ok thanks
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20:51	jcalve	jcalve irl: https://p.iotek.org/me3.png
20:51	jcalve	3>me in the url
20:51	jcalve	oops wrong buffer
20:52	Calinou	to open, or not open the picture... that is the question
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20:53	jcalve	at least it's not offtopic :D
20:53	calcul0n	maybe you should farm some cotton :)
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22:03	paramat	comradmax the client mapblock limit is low because we only have 1 level of detail
22:04	paramat	the mesh data RAM use is high for all mapblocks, even very distant ones which don't need such complex meshes
22:05	paramat	c55 has a branch called 'farmap' which renders distant mapblocks in a simpler way, it's still very WIP
22:07	paramat	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3502
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22:10	ThomasMonroe	paramat
22:10	ThomasMonroe	what do you think about this idea?
22:10	ThomasMonroe	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1782
22:12	ThomasMonroe	nvmd sry didnt see your comment
22:12	red-001	!title
22:12	MinetestBot	HTTP error 400
22:12	red-001	oh come on
22:12	red-001	~title
22:12	ShadowBot	HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
22:12	red-001	great
22:12	bigfoot547	That's a client error
22:14	red-001	example.com
22:14	red-001	!title
22:14	MinetestBot	HTTP error 400
22:14	red-001	!title http://example.org/
22:14	MinetestBot	red-001: Example Domain
22:14	red-001	!title
22:14	MinetestBot	red-001: Example Domain
22:15	red-001	see
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23:15	GNU[BDC]	Hi
23:15	bigfoot547	Hi
23:16	GNU[BDC]	is there a way to revers what you just load with WE?
23:16	bigfoot547	Not that I know of
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