IRC log for #minetest, 2017-06-13

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01:24	kaeza	greetings
01:26	bigfoot547	Hi kaeza
01:28	kaeza	hello bigfoot547
01:30	habeangur	hi kaeza
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02:14	iiKrazie	hai
02:14	bigfoot547	Hi iiKrazie
02:14	iiKrazie	okey
02:14	iiKrazie	I just downloaded it
02:14	iiKrazie	Minetest
02:14	iiKrazie	But I played in like
02:14	bigfoot547	How do you like it?
02:14	iiKrazie	2013 before
02:15	iiKrazie	I played the game back in like 2013 with username "Awesomeness""
02:15	iiKrazie	And I still remember the password
02:15	iiKrazie	But,
02:15	iiKrazie	I like it
02:15	iiKrazie	It's a good alternative to Minecraft
02:15	iiKrazie	Which hates me
02:16	iiKrazie	and doesn't load
02:16	iiKrazie	anymore
02:16	iiKrazie	saldly for me
02:16	iiKrazie	sadly*
02:16	iiKrazie	But then i remembered this
02:16	iiKrazie	So I just reinstalled it
02:16	bigfoot547	Yes... Minecraft is a great game... to an extent
02:16	bigfoot547	I don;t have it saddly
02:16	bigfoot547	sadly*
02:16	iiKrazie	I bought it
02:16	iiKrazie	But, now it crashed as soon as I launch it now
02:17	bigfoot547	Do you use mods?
02:17	iiKrazie	I boutght when it was in 1.7
02:17	iiKrazie	bought*
02:17	iiKrazie	I think
02:18	iiKrazie	I cant login to my old account D::::
02:18	iiKrazie	Nooooo
02:18	iiKrazie	My stuff is gone now
02:19	bigfoot547	Why can't you log in
02:19	bigfoot547	?
02:19	iiKrazie	Idk
02:19	iiKrazie	I remember my password!
02:19	iiKrazie	Can I pm on here?
02:19	bigfoot547	Yes
02:19	iiKrazie	can I pm u the pass
02:20	bigfoot547	Ok
02:20	iiKrazie	Will u steal the account
02:20	bigfoot547	No, I promise!
02:20	iiKrazie	:D
02:20	iiKrazie	Ok how do I pm?
02:21	bigfoot547	/msg <name>
02:21	bigfoot547	/msg <name> <message>
02:21	iiKrazie	Oh
02:21	iiKrazie	It's a bad password lol
02:21	iiKrazie	That's the pass
02:22	iiKrazie	IDk why it doesn't work
02:28	bigfoot547	iiKrazie, I've been PM-ing you
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02:31	bigfoot547	iiKrazie?
02:49	iiKrazie	rutre
02:49	iiKrazie	Yeah
02:49	iiKrazie	Lol
02:50	iiKrazie	I was on the server with a new username
02:50	kaeza	what
02:50	kaeza	sigh
02:51	kaeza	kids, never, EVER, share your paswords with anyone
02:51	bigfoot547	kaeza, What do you take me for?
02:51	bigfoot547	an account stealer?!?!?!?!
02:52	bigfoot547	well, iiKrazie doesn't know me...
02:52	kaeza	...
02:53	bigfoot547	C'mon kaeza
02:53	iiKrazie	Way
02:53	iiKrazie	>>
02:53	iiKrazie	t
02:53	iiKrazie	What happened
02:53	iiKrazie	I was on thhe server again
02:54	iiKrazie	I need notifications
02:54	bigfoot547	kaeza, I know you hate me because I have crazy signatures, but really? I don't steal accounts.
02:55	kaeza	bigfoot547, no matter who, where, when, and how, you shouldn't share passwords. period
02:55	kaeza	no matter how well intentioned the person is (or pretends to be)
02:55	kaeza	not saying you are, not saying you aren't
02:55	bigfoot547	Well yeah, I wouldn't just tell you my root password ($De2'Yas&)
02:55	bigfoot547	Oh crap!
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02:56	iiKrazie	lol
02:56	bigfoot547	Can I delete that last message?
02:56	iiKrazie	idk what a root password is
02:56	kaeza	or maybe this is a really bad joke and I don't get it
02:56	cheapie	"<bigfoot547> HELP MY MOUSE IS MOVING BY IT SELF" "* bigfoot547 has quit (Quit: Owned)" :P
02:56	iiKrazie	No
02:56	iiKrazie	I pm'ed him my pass
02:56	kaeza	in any case, I said my part
02:57	iiKrazie	For an account
02:57	iiKrazie	But idk if it'll work
02:57	iiKrazie	It doesn't work for me
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02:57	kaeza	that was a part, not a quit
02:57	kaeza	you fail
02:59	bigfoot547	Ok, you will get what you want kaeza.
02:59	kaeza	yey?
02:59	kaeza	wtf
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02:59	cheapie	bigfoot547: Wrong quit message :P
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03:00	cheapie	bigfoot547: And that time, you hadn't been connected for long enough to use a custom quit message.
03:00	cheapie	(takes 5 minutes, IIRC)
03:00	bigfoot547	fuuuuuc--
03:00	kaeza	meh, back to fixing my shÂ¡t blog software
03:01	kaeza	<3 python
03:01	bigfoot547	python = spagetti
03:01	bigfoot547	python = spaghetti
03:02	kaeza	bigfoot547, yay Lua https://gist.github.com/kaeza/0d0cdb0e395bdb1006976c33f4be1cf9
03:02	kaeza	yes, it IS valid Lua
03:02	bigfoot547	No, this is serious spaghetti in C: #define rangelim(exp, min, max) ((((exp) > (min)) && ((exp) < (max))) ? (exp) : (((exp) < (min)) ? (min) : (max)))
03:02	bigfoot547	It works though.
03:05	iiKrazie	Im on the Free Pizza Server
03:05	iiKrazie	And there's a mob
03:05	iiKrazie	That shoots fireball things
03:05	iiKrazie	And it wont quit
03:06	iiKrazie	What should I do
03:06	iiKrazie	I only have a silver sword
03:06	bigfoot547	Lay down and die :P
03:06	iiKrazie	No
03:06	iiKrazie	I started digging down
03:06	bigfoot547	It's a dungeon master, you don't really have a chance...
03:06	iiKrazie	But it kept shooting fireball things
03:06	iiKrazie	and it was destroying the blocks
03:06	iiKrazie	Idk how close it is
03:06	iiKrazie	I just want mese
03:07	iiKrazie	I hear it walking :(
03:07	bigfoot547	I have an idea!
03:07	iiKrazie	What
03:07	bigfoot547	PANIC!
03:07	iiKrazie	I did
03:07	iiKrazie	XD
03:07	iiKrazie	I started strafing and making it miss me
03:07	iiKrazie	Then began to dig down
03:07	iiKrazie	And now
03:07	bigfoot547	I'm coming on the server
03:08	iiKrazie	It almost made me pee my pants XD
03:08	iiKrazie	It was so sudden
03:08	iiKrazie	and surprising
03:08	iiKrazie	:(
03:09	bigfoot547	I went on the server and I'm stuck in the void.
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03:13	iiKrazie	Hi stormchaser
03:13	iiKrazie	BigFoot
03:13	iiKrazie	Are you redsotr?
03:13	iiKrazie	stor*
03:17	bigfoot547	What do you mean?
03:19	bigfoot547	iiKrazie, what do you mean?
03:22	bigfoot547	Who is redstor?
03:29	bigfoot547	iiKrazie?
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06:32	Hoboneer	hello peoples
06:32	all\|knowing	hello
06:32	Hoboneer	anyone know which version of minetest i should install?
06:32	Hoboneer	im on windows 32 bit
06:32	Hoboneer	no clue which of the two to get ;p
06:33	all\|knowing	the latest
06:33	all\|knowing	wait, g 0.4.15
06:33	Hoboneer	the latest is 0.4.16 afaik
06:33	all\|knowing	yep
06:34	Hoboneer	but uh, the downloads page gives me no indication as to their differences
06:34	all\|knowing	thers not much difference except for preformance pretty much
06:35	Hoboneer	I'd assume the MSVC is the one I should get considering that google said minGW is a programming tool
06:35	all\|knowing	yea
06:35	Hoboneer	sweet as
06:35	Hoboneer	thanks!
06:35	all\|knowing	wc
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09:30	Sporax	hi guys, i can't connect to any server... i don't know why, what happens to my app?
09:30	Sporax	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/307457122944155648/323154122432053248/Screenshot_2017-06-10-19-11-31.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/307457122944155648/323154122432053248/Screenshot_2017-06-10-19-11-31.png
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10:19	IhrFussel	Several players have a protocol version of 0 on my server...how old again does a client need to be to have 0?
10:26	sfan5	IhrFussel: 0 is not a valid protocol version
10:27	sfan5	not sure but I'd say it just mean the client version is unknown (even though that doesn't make sense)
10:30	IhrFussel	sfan5, the protocol version seems to be empty then... I applied red-001's code which is "local version = 0 local player_info = minetest.get_player_information(joinn) if player_info then version = player_info.protocol_version end"
10:31	IhrFussel	Not empty...nil/NULL whatever
10:31	sfan5	no in that case it means the player information did not exist
10:34	IhrFussel	VERY WEIRD...players RANDOMLY seem to return a non-existent version...the same player sometimes has 27 or 0
10:37	sfan5	sounds like a race-condition to me
10:38	IhrFussel	There can't be any race conditions since I only call the function ONCE on_joinplayer()
10:39	sfan5	no
10:39	sfan5	the race-condition here is that another threads fills in the player information and it might or might not be available already in on_joinplayer
10:40	IhrFussel	So you suggest minetest.after?
10:40	sfan5	you could try that
10:41	IhrFussel	Should 0.1 be enough?
10:42	sfan5	dunno, try it
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11:12	IhrFussel	The protocol version got bumped 2 times in ~ 1 week? o.o
11:13	Lord_Buckethead	apprently
11:13	Lord_Buckethead	I guess we went from hating protocol bumps to doing them for the fun of it
11:16	IhrFussel	Well...I understand the bump if it's really essential for the new feature (like sound pitch)
11:16	Lord_Buckethead	it wasn't
11:17	Lord_Buckethead	it's ok to break recent dev versions
11:19	IhrFussel	Lord_Buckethead, umm...so the protocol version is just an internal way to mark "waypoints" in dev now?
11:19	Lord_Buckethead	it's a way to avoid breaking stuff
11:20	Lord_Buckethead	like breaking stable versions
11:20	IhrFussel	Yes but if you introduce a new feature you HAVE TO bump the prot version or else older clients might not handle it...or not?
11:21	Lord_Buckethead	well its ussually seen as ok to break recent dev builds as people that are using dev builds likely have the means to update
11:22	IhrFussel	Well unless the feature is just server side (which the pitch is AFAIK)
11:22	sfan5	protocol bumps don't break anything
11:22	Lord_Buckethead	no it's client and server side
11:22	Lord_Buckethead	the server sends a new vaule to the client
11:23	Lord_Buckethead	and iirc the client will crash to main menu if that value isn't there and it tries to read it
11:23	sfan5	that's not how it works
11:23	IhrFussel	Oh so the client calculates the pitch and plays the sound? I thought the server calculates everything and sends the media to the client (but that wouldn't work in runtime so it makes sense)
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11:26	sfan5	Lord_Buckethead: the client and server will agree on a version they both support, the client will only try to read values it knows that are present (for that version) and the server will only write values for the same conditions
11:26	Lord_Buckethead	I know
11:27	Lord_Buckethead	I was pointing out what would happen if the client tried to read the value but the server didn't send it
11:27	Lord_Buckethead	e.g. if there wasn't a protocol bump
11:28	sfan5	true, however that situation (should) never happens
11:29	Lord_Buckethead	so what are the rules for protocol bumps and dev clients?
11:29	Lord_Buckethead	is it that it's ok to break something as long as the break isn't a crash?
11:29	sfan5	unless someone makes a mistake, nothing will break
11:32	Lord_Buckethead	huh so I guess the guidelines changed then
11:33	sfan5	what?
11:33	IhrFussel	The current min version supported on servers is 24 right? Is that 0.4.11?
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11:38	DI3HARD139	0.4.14
11:38	DI3HARD139	If I recall correctly
11:39	DI3HARD139	never mind. It indeed is 0.4.11 though clients older then 0.4.13 don't seem to work anymore on the servers I host.
11:39	ThomasMonroe	DI3 o/
11:39	DI3HARD139	Hello
11:40	Lord_Buckethead	DI3HARD139, what happens with older clients?
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11:41	IhrFussel	That doesn't sound right...did you manually increase the min version?
11:41	DI3HARD139	They tend to have trouble communicating. Seems to depend on what commit the client and/or server was built from
11:42	IhrFussel	That would be bad if the clients the devs supposedly still support don't work properly
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11:45	IhrFussel	But luckily almost all 3rd-party clones use 0.4.13+ by now
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16:55	jcalve	is there a setting to disable mouse acceleration?
16:56	Lord_Buckethead	we even have mouse acceleration?
16:57	jcalve	looks like it
16:59	Lord_Buckethead	oh
16:59	Lord_Buckethead	maybe you turned on cinematic mode?
17:00	jcalve	nope
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20:00	jcalve	is it normal for shadows to look this strong?
20:00	jcalve	https://p.iotek.org/za2.png
20:00	Raven262	Yes it is I think.
20:01	jcalve	i don't remember so much darnkess in my house in the last version lol
20:01	Raven262	Maybe you changed your contrast/brightness of the screen?
20:02	Raven262	Or of your system
20:02	Raven262	Or you enabled some extra shaders
20:02	sfan5	light curves were changed
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20:05	jcalve	also not sure if this is intended behavior but light filters through stair blocks: https://p.iotek.org/zce.png
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20:21	TestyRabbit	Where can I find the code that runs when the user opens their inventory by pressing "i"? in the source?
20:22	sfan5	probably game.cpp
20:23	TestyRabbit	oh yeah here it is, found the function. thanks
20:26	TestyRabbit	I'm looking to have a button release control of the mouse cursor, any thoughts?
20:26	TestyRabbit	or where you think maybe it would be best to look?
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21:54	AntumDeluge	So, I've been able to disable tool wear/breaking. But I haven't figured out how to disable wear/breaking for tools being used as weapons to fight enemies. When a tool is used to attack, it still wears & breaks because that mode is not affected by 'uses=0'.
21:54	AntumDeluge	Does anyone know how I can disable it?
21:55	AntumDeluge	I wouldn't think it would be 'damage_groups', because that sounds like it's related to how much damage the weapon deals. But, I will try it.
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22:00	* AntumDeluge	casts his vote for Lord_Buckethead.
22:01	red-001	"And 250 votes for... Lord Buckethead"
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22:07	AntumDeluge	It looks like my answers lies in the 'HitParams' structure: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/683ab3a154a40f13dd1bcd54ba111f7b21e98483/src/tool.h#L102
22:07	AntumDeluge	'HitParams.wear'
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22:40	Jordach	AntumDeluge, usually the mods decide if wear occurs
22:40	Jordach	(aka mobs, etc)
22:41	AntumDeluge	But the amount of wear should be defined in the mod where the tool is defined.
22:42	AlexYst	I agree. The tool knows how strong it is, the thing hit with it doesn't.
22:45	AntumDeluge	I tried adding 'hitparams' & 'hit_params' to the register_tool definition. But that does nothing.
22:46	Out`Of`Control	can i update mod without restarting server?
22:46	Out`Of`Control	on the fly
22:46	AntumDeluge	e.g.: 'hitparams.hp = 0', 'hitparams.wear = 0', 'hit_params.hp = 0', etc.
22:46	Jordach	Out`Of`Control, changing anything in MT needs a restart, period
22:47	AntumDeluge	Out`Of`Control, I mods are loaded into memory at launch, I believe.
22:47	Out`Of`Control	i see
22:47	Out`Of`Control	thanks
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23:03	AlexYst	You only need to restart the world though, not the entire application. Just exit to the menu and go back in.
23:04	AntumDeluge	AlexYst, that's if you are playing singleplayer. If you are running a server, you need to restart the entire server.
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23:11	AlexYst	AntumDeluge: Oh ... right ... I've been unable to host a server for a while due to a lack of an Internet connection, so I've totally forgotten about everything but single-player. My bad.
23:12	AlexYst	For a server, yeah, shutting down the world means shutting down all of Minetest.
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23:30	AntumDeluge	Documentation on 'register_tool' is pretty scanty: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_tool :-\
23:35	ThomasMonroe	does anyone here know how to use the minetestmapper on a server?
23:38	rubenwardy	ThomasMonroe, you'll need to stop the server, run the mapper, then resume
23:38	rubenwardy	it's traditional to do this during the back up window
23:39	rubenwardy	the C++ version only takes 10s of seconds for a big portion of a world, better than backing up
23:39	rubenwardy	iirc
23:40	ThomasMonroe	i meant for me as a client, running the mapper on a server
23:40	ThomasMonroe	ik of a person who does that
23:41	rubenwardy	hmmm
23:41	rubenwardy	not sure what you mean
23:41	ThomasMonroe	he told me to use the GUI
23:41	rubenwardy	so the client is mapping the world?
23:41	ThomasMonroe	yes
23:41	rubenwardy	do you mean the minimap?
23:41	ThomasMonroe	no
23:41	ThomasMonroe	he created a picture of the world from his client
23:41	rubenwardy	well, the only way I'd suggest is to use local world downloading
23:42	ThomasMonroe	https://filebin.net/lavtg3lk3rq1zt32/2017-06-14_01.20.23_server_mt.rrhgameservers.ml_48265.png
23:42	ThomasMonroe	how would that work?
23:42	rubenwardy	download the map locally, run mapper on that
23:42	rubenwardy	you enable a config, connect to the server, then it saves to a world called SERVER_SERVERIP_PORT
23:42	rubenwardy	or smth
23:43	ThomasMonroe	which config?
23:43	rubenwardy	we need a !setting command to fuzzy match config options
23:43	rubenwardy	ThomasMonroe, search for "local" or "save", I gtg
23:44	ThomasMonroe	found it
23:44	ThomasMonroe	its under client/network/enable_saving_of map downloaded from server
23:56	AntumDeluge	I have a feeling that tool/weapon wear from battle cannot be disabled from Lua side. It seems that wear is determined by the engine according to how much damage is dealt to an entity.

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