Time  Nick            Message
01:24 kaeza           greetings
01:26 bigfoot547      Hi kaeza
01:28 kaeza           hello bigfoot547
01:30 habeangur       hi kaeza
02:14 iiKrazie        hai
02:14 bigfoot547      Hi iiKrazie
02:14 iiKrazie        okey
02:14 iiKrazie        I just downloaded it
02:14 iiKrazie        Minetest
02:14 iiKrazie        But I played in like
02:14 bigfoot547      How do you like it?
02:14 iiKrazie        2013 before
02:15 iiKrazie        I played the game back in like 2013 with username "Awesomeness""
02:15 iiKrazie        And I still remember the password
02:15 iiKrazie        But,
02:15 iiKrazie        I like it
02:15 iiKrazie        It's a good alternative to Minecraft
02:15 iiKrazie        Which hates me
02:16 iiKrazie        and doesn't load
02:16 iiKrazie        anymore
02:16 iiKrazie        saldly for me
02:16 iiKrazie        sadly*
02:16 iiKrazie        But then i remembered this
02:16 iiKrazie        So I just reinstalled it
02:16 bigfoot547      Yes... Minecraft is a great game... to an extent
02:16 bigfoot547      I don;t have it saddly
02:16 bigfoot547      sadly*
02:16 iiKrazie        I bought it
02:16 iiKrazie        But, now it crashed as soon as I launch it now
02:17 bigfoot547      Do you use mods?
02:17 iiKrazie        I boutght when it was in 1.7
02:17 iiKrazie        bought*
02:17 iiKrazie        I think
02:18 iiKrazie        I cant login to my old account D::::
02:18 iiKrazie        Nooooo
02:18 iiKrazie        My stuff is gone now
02:19 bigfoot547      Why can't you log in
02:19 bigfoot547      ?
02:19 iiKrazie        Idk
02:19 iiKrazie        I remember my password!
02:19 iiKrazie        Can I pm on here?
02:19 bigfoot547      Yes
02:19 iiKrazie        can I pm u the pass
02:20 bigfoot547      Ok
02:20 iiKrazie        Will u steal the account
02:20 bigfoot547      No, I promise!
02:20 iiKrazie        :D
02:20 iiKrazie        Ok how do I pm?
02:21 bigfoot547      /msg <name>
02:21 bigfoot547      /msg <name> <message>
02:21 iiKrazie        Oh
02:21 iiKrazie        It's a bad password lol
02:21 iiKrazie        That's the pass
02:22 iiKrazie        IDk why it doesn't work
02:28 bigfoot547      iiKrazie, I've been PM-ing you
02:31 bigfoot547      iiKrazie?
02:49 iiKrazie        rutre
02:49 iiKrazie        Yeah
02:49 iiKrazie        Lol
02:50 iiKrazie        I was on the server with a new username
02:50 kaeza           what
02:50 kaeza           *sigh*
02:51 kaeza           kids, never, EVER, share your paswords with anyone
02:51 bigfoot547      kaeza, What do you take me for?
02:51 bigfoot547      an account stealer?!?!?!?!
02:52 bigfoot547      well, iiKrazie doesn't know me...
02:52 kaeza           ...
02:53 bigfoot547      C'mon kaeza
02:53 iiKrazie        Way
02:53 iiKrazie        >>
02:53 iiKrazie        t
02:53 iiKrazie        What happened
02:53 iiKrazie        I was on thhe server again
02:54 iiKrazie        I need notifications
02:54 bigfoot547      kaeza, I know you hate me because I have crazy signatures, but really? I don't steal accounts.
02:55 kaeza           bigfoot547, no matter who, where, when, and how, you shouldn't share passwords. period
02:55 kaeza           no matter how well intentioned the person is (or pretends to be)
02:55 kaeza           not saying you are, not saying you aren't
02:55 bigfoot547      Well yeah, I wouldn't just tell you my root password ($De2'Yas&)
02:55 bigfoot547      Oh crap!
02:56 iiKrazie        lol
02:56 bigfoot547      Can I delete that last message?
02:56 iiKrazie        idk what a root password is
02:56 kaeza           or maybe this is a really bad joke and I don't get it
02:56 cheapie         "<bigfoot547> HELP MY MOUSE IS MOVING BY IT SELF" "* bigfoot547 has quit (Quit: Owned)" :P
02:56 iiKrazie        No
02:56 iiKrazie        I pm'ed him my pass
02:56 kaeza           in any case, I said my part
02:57 iiKrazie        For an account
02:57 iiKrazie        But idk if it'll work
02:57 iiKrazie        It doesn't work for me
02:57 kaeza           that was a part, not a quit
02:57 kaeza           you fail
02:59 bigfoot547      Ok, you will get what you want kaeza.
02:59 kaeza           yey?
02:59 kaeza           wtf
02:59 cheapie         bigfoot547: Wrong quit message :P
03:00 cheapie         bigfoot547: And that time, you hadn't been connected for long enough to use a custom quit message.
03:00 cheapie         (takes 5 minutes, IIRC)
03:00 bigfoot547      fuuuuuc--
03:00 kaeza           meh, back to fixing my sh¡t blog software
03:01 kaeza           <3 python
03:01 bigfoot547      python = spagetti
03:01 bigfoot547      python = spaghetti
03:02 kaeza           bigfoot547, yay Lua https://gist.github.com/kaeza/0d0cdb0e395bdb1006976c33f4be1cf9
03:02 kaeza           yes, it IS valid Lua
03:02 bigfoot547      No, this is serious spaghetti in C: #define rangelim(exp, min, max) ((((exp) > (min)) && ((exp) < (max))) ? (exp) : (((exp) < (min)) ? (min) : (max)))
03:02 bigfoot547      It works though.
03:05 iiKrazie        Im on the Free Pizza Server
03:05 iiKrazie        And there's a mob
03:05 iiKrazie        That shoots fireball things
03:05 iiKrazie        And it wont quit
03:06 iiKrazie        What should I do
03:06 iiKrazie        I only have a silver sword
03:06 bigfoot547      Lay down and die :P
03:06 iiKrazie        No
03:06 iiKrazie        I started digging down
03:06 bigfoot547      It's a dungeon master, you don't really have a chance...
03:06 iiKrazie        But it kept shooting fireball things
03:06 iiKrazie        and it was destroying the blocks
03:06 iiKrazie        Idk how close it is
03:06 iiKrazie        I just want mese
03:07 iiKrazie        I hear it walking :(
03:07 bigfoot547      I have an idea!
03:07 iiKrazie        What
03:07 bigfoot547      PANIC!
03:07 iiKrazie        I did
03:07 iiKrazie        XD
03:07 iiKrazie        I started strafing and making it miss me
03:07 iiKrazie        Then began to dig down
03:07 iiKrazie        And now
03:07 bigfoot547      I'm coming on the server
03:08 iiKrazie        It almost made me pee my pants XD
03:08 iiKrazie        It was so sudden
03:08 iiKrazie        and surprising
03:08 iiKrazie        :(
03:09 bigfoot547      I went on the server and I'm stuck in the void.
03:13 iiKrazie        Hi stormchaser
03:13 iiKrazie        BigFoot
03:13 iiKrazie        Are you redsotr?
03:13 iiKrazie        stor*
03:17 bigfoot547      What do you mean?
03:19 bigfoot547      iiKrazie, what do you mean?
03:22 bigfoot547      Who is redstor?
03:29 bigfoot547      iiKrazie?
06:32 Hoboneer        hello peoples
06:32 all|knowing     hello
06:32 Hoboneer        anyone know which version of minetest i should install?
06:32 Hoboneer        im on windows 32 bit
06:32 Hoboneer        no clue which of the two to get ;p
06:33 all|knowing     the latest
06:33 all|knowing     wait, g 0.4.15
06:33 Hoboneer        the latest is 0.4.16 afaik
06:33 all|knowing     yep
06:34 Hoboneer        but uh, the downloads page gives me no indication as to their differences
06:34 all|knowing     thers not much difference except for preformance pretty much
06:35 Hoboneer        I'd assume the MSVC is the one I should get considering that google said minGW is a programming tool
06:35 all|knowing     yea
06:35 Hoboneer        sweet as
06:35 Hoboneer        thanks!
06:35 all|knowing     wc
09:30 Sporax          hi guys, i can't connect to any server... i don't know why, what happens to my app?
09:30 Sporax          https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/307457122944155648/323154122432053248/Screenshot_2017-06-10-19-11-31.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/307457122944155648/323154122432053248/Screenshot_2017-06-10-19-11-31.png
10:19 IhrFussel       Several players have a protocol version of 0 on my server...how old again does a client need to be to have 0?
10:26 sfan5           IhrFussel: 0 is not a valid protocol version
10:27 sfan5           not sure but I'd say it just mean the client version is unknown (even though that doesn't make sense)
10:30 IhrFussel       sfan5, the protocol version seems to be empty then... I applied red-001's code which is "local version = 0 local player_info = minetest.get_player_information(joinn) if player_info then version = player_info.protocol_version end"
10:31 IhrFussel       Not empty...nil/NULL whatever
10:31 sfan5           no in that case it means the player information did not exist
10:34 IhrFussel       VERY WEIRD...players RANDOMLY seem to return a non-existent version...the same player sometimes has 27 or 0
10:37 sfan5           sounds like a race-condition to me
10:38 IhrFussel       There can't be any race conditions since I only call the function ONCE on_joinplayer()
10:39 sfan5           no
10:39 sfan5           the race-condition here is that another threads fills in the player information and it might or might not be available already in on_joinplayer
10:40 IhrFussel       So you suggest minetest.after?
10:40 sfan5           you could try that
10:41 IhrFussel       Should 0.1 be enough?
10:42 sfan5           dunno, try it
11:12 IhrFussel       The protocol version got bumped 2 times in ~ 1 week? o.o
11:13 Lord_Buckethead apprently
11:13 Lord_Buckethead I guess we went from hating protocol bumps to doing them for the fun of it
11:16 IhrFussel       Well...I understand the bump if it's really essential for the new feature (like sound pitch)
11:16 Lord_Buckethead it wasn't
11:17 Lord_Buckethead it's ok to break recent dev versions
11:19 IhrFussel       Lord_Buckethead, umm...so the protocol version is just an internal way to mark "waypoints" in dev now?
11:19 Lord_Buckethead it's a way to avoid breaking stuff
11:20 Lord_Buckethead like breaking stable versions
11:20 IhrFussel       Yes but if you introduce a new feature you HAVE TO bump the prot version or else older clients might not handle it...or not?
11:21 Lord_Buckethead well its ussually seen as ok to break recent dev builds as people that are using dev builds likely have the means to update
11:22 IhrFussel       Well unless the feature is just server side (which the pitch is AFAIK)
11:22 sfan5           protocol bumps don't break anything
11:22 Lord_Buckethead no it's client and server side
11:22 Lord_Buckethead the server sends a new vaule to the client
11:23 Lord_Buckethead and iirc the client will crash to main menu if that value isn't there and it tries to read it
11:23 sfan5           that's not how it works
11:23 IhrFussel       Oh so the client calculates the pitch and plays the sound? I thought the server calculates everything and sends the media to the client (but that wouldn't work in runtime so it makes sense)
11:26 sfan5           Lord_Buckethead: the client and server will agree on a version they both support, the client will only try to read values it knows that are present (for that version) and the server will only write values for the same conditions
11:26 Lord_Buckethead I know
11:27 Lord_Buckethead I was pointing out what would happen if the client tried to read the value but the server didn't send it
11:27 Lord_Buckethead e.g. if there wasn't a protocol bump
11:28 sfan5           true, however that situation (should) never happens
11:29 Lord_Buckethead so what are the rules for protocol bumps and dev clients?
11:29 Lord_Buckethead is it that it's ok to break something as long as the break isn't a crash?
11:29 sfan5           unless someone makes a mistake, nothing will break
11:32 Lord_Buckethead huh so I guess the guidelines changed then
11:33 sfan5           what?
11:33 IhrFussel       The current min version supported on servers is 24 right? Is that 0.4.11?
11:38 DI3HARD139      0.4.14
11:38 DI3HARD139      If I recall correctly
11:39 DI3HARD139      never mind. It indeed is 0.4.11 though clients older then 0.4.13 don't seem to work anymore on the servers I host.
11:39 ThomasMonroe    DI3 o/
11:39 DI3HARD139      Hello
11:40 Lord_Buckethead DI3HARD139, what happens with older clients?
11:41 IhrFussel       That doesn't sound right...did you manually increase the min version?
11:41 DI3HARD139      They tend to have trouble communicating. Seems to depend on what commit the client and/or server was built from
11:42 IhrFussel       That would be bad if the clients the devs supposedly still support don't work properly
11:45 IhrFussel       But luckily almost all 3rd-party clones use 0.4.13+ by now
16:55 jcalve          is there a setting to disable mouse acceleration?
16:56 Lord_Buckethead we even have mouse acceleration?
16:57 jcalve          looks like it
16:59 Lord_Buckethead oh
16:59 Lord_Buckethead maybe you turned on cinematic mode?
17:00 jcalve          nope
20:00 jcalve          is it normal for shadows to look this strong?
20:00 jcalve          https://p.iotek.org/za2.png
20:00 Raven262        Yes it is I think.
20:01 jcalve          i don't remember so much darnkess in my house in the last version lol
20:01 Raven262        Maybe you changed your contrast/brightness of the screen?
20:02 Raven262        Or of your system
20:02 Raven262        Or you enabled some extra shaders
20:02 sfan5           light curves were changed
20:05 jcalve          also not sure if this is intended behavior but light filters through stair blocks: https://p.iotek.org/zce.png
20:21 TestyRabbit     Where can I find the code that runs when the user opens their inventory by pressing "i"? in the source?
20:22 sfan5           probably game.cpp
20:23 TestyRabbit     oh yeah here it is, found the function. thanks
20:26 TestyRabbit     I'm looking to have a button release control of the mouse cursor, any thoughts?
20:26 TestyRabbit     or where you think maybe it would be best to look?
21:54 AntumDeluge     So, I've been able to disable tool wear/breaking. But I haven't figured out how to disable wear/breaking for tools being used as weapons to fight enemies. When a tool is used to attack, it still wears & breaks because that mode is not affected by 'uses=0'.
21:54 AntumDeluge     Does anyone know how I can disable it?
21:55 AntumDeluge     I wouldn't think it would be 'damage_groups', because that sounds like it's related to how much damage the weapon deals. But, I will try it.
22:00 * AntumDeluge   casts his vote for Lord_Buckethead.
22:01 red-001         "And 250 votes for... Lord Buckethead"
22:07 AntumDeluge     It looks like my answers lies in the 'HitParams' structure: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/683ab3a154a40f13dd1bcd54ba111f7b21e98483/src/tool.h#L102
22:07 AntumDeluge     'HitParams.wear'
22:40 Jordach         AntumDeluge, usually the mods decide if wear occurs
22:40 Jordach         (aka mobs, etc)
22:41 AntumDeluge     But the amount of wear should be defined in the mod where the tool is defined.
22:42 AlexYst         I agree. The tool knows how strong it is, the thing hit with it doesn't.
22:45 AntumDeluge     I tried adding 'hitparams' & 'hit_params' to the register_tool definition. But that does nothing.
22:46 Out`Of`Control  can i update mod without restarting server?
22:46 Out`Of`Control  on the fly
22:46 AntumDeluge     e.g.: 'hitparams.hp = 0', 'hitparams.wear = 0', 'hit_params.hp = 0', etc.
22:46 Jordach         Out`Of`Control, changing anything in MT needs a restart, period
22:47 AntumDeluge     Out`Of`Control, I mods are loaded into memory at launch, I believe.
22:47 Out`Of`Control  i see
22:47 Out`Of`Control  thanks
23:03 AlexYst         You only need to restart the world though, not the entire application. Just exit to the menu and go back in.
23:04 AntumDeluge     AlexYst, that's if you are playing singleplayer. If you are running a server, you need to restart the entire server.
23:11 AlexYst         AntumDeluge: Oh ... right ... I've been unable to host a server for a while due to a lack of an Internet connection, so I've totally forgotten about everything but single-player. My bad.
23:12 AlexYst         For a server, yeah, shutting down the world means shutting down all of Minetest.
23:30 AntumDeluge     Documentation on 'register_tool' is pretty scanty: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_tool :-\
23:35 ThomasMonroe    does anyone here know how to use the minetestmapper on a server?
23:38 rubenwardy      ThomasMonroe, you'll need to stop the server, run the mapper, then resume
23:38 rubenwardy      it's traditional to do this during the back up window
23:39 rubenwardy      the C++ version only takes 10s of seconds for a big portion of a world, better than backing up
23:39 rubenwardy      iirc
23:40 ThomasMonroe    i meant for me as a client, running the mapper on a server
23:40 ThomasMonroe    ik of a person who does that
23:41 rubenwardy      hmmm
23:41 rubenwardy      not sure what you mean
23:41 ThomasMonroe    he told me to use the GUI
23:41 rubenwardy      so the client is mapping the world?
23:41 ThomasMonroe    yes
23:41 rubenwardy      do you mean the minimap?
23:41 ThomasMonroe    no
23:41 ThomasMonroe    he created a picture of the world from his client
23:41 rubenwardy      well, the only way I'd suggest is to use local world downloading
23:42 ThomasMonroe    https://filebin.net/lavtg3lk3rq1zt32/2017-06-14_01.20.23_server_mt.rrhgameservers.ml_48265.png
23:42 ThomasMonroe    how would that work?
23:42 rubenwardy      download the map locally, run mapper on that
23:42 rubenwardy      you enable a config, connect to the server, then it saves to a world called SERVER_SERVERIP_PORT
23:42 rubenwardy      or smth
23:43 ThomasMonroe    which config?
23:43 rubenwardy      we need a !setting command to fuzzy match config options
23:43 rubenwardy      ThomasMonroe, search for "local" or "save", I gtg
23:44 ThomasMonroe    found it
23:44 ThomasMonroe    its under client/network/enable_saving_of map downloaded from server
23:56 AntumDeluge     I have a feeling that tool/weapon wear from battle cannot be disabled from Lua side. It seems that wear is determined by the engine according to how much damage is dealt to an entity.