IRC log for #minetest, 2017-06-04

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01:40	IhrFussel	My server is the 2nd 0.4.16 server on the list, yay xD
01:47	wilkgr	lol nice :)
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02:01	GreenDimond	Has launchpad been updated??
02:03	GreenDimond	Welp. Looks like it has.
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02:16	GreenDimond	So... the PPA for ubuntu was updated... but when I used synaptic to upgrade it, it only upgraded minetest and not MTG
02:25	Hirato	my first thought was "magic: the gathering"
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03:11	Fatar	How do I avoid my internet connection getting cyberblasted when I'm loading up a server?
03:12	Fatar	I get stuck download mods in the MEDIA part and then since the incoming bandwith or something is too high, poof, I get dced from my router
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04:04	bigfoot547	Night y'all!
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04:44	AlexYst	calcul0n: My original design had a white list like that, which allowed me to call coral a mineral. However, the entire purpose of my new design is that it functions even when default isn't used and even when mods add new minerals. A white list is off the table.
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04:57	redblade7	hi
04:59	redblade7	i am upgrading two of my servers for 0.4.16
04:59	redblade7	i wanted to get the nyancat/pb&jpup mod
04:59	redblade7	but i want to change it so all nyancats are replaced with pb&jpups, like the original plan
05:00	redblade7	i know how to edit out the random choice
05:00	redblade7	but i want to change the substitution
05:00	redblade7	and wonder how that's done
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06:15	redblade7	also, if i was to use postgresql with three servers, are there any instructions on how to do backups?
06:16	redblade7	i'd hate to go from leveldb to sqlite as i went to leveldb because it was faster
06:37	redblade7	hey i'm getting an unknown item "homedecor:chair"
06:37	redblade7	in the latest homedecor_modpack
06:37	redblade7	i dont know what it is
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07:08	redblade7	well i'm going to bed, be back later
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07:38	MinetestBot	[git] CasimirKaPazi -> minetest/minetest: Mapgen v6: Use snow blocks in tundra and remove them from taiga (#5827) 0e58168 https://git.io/vH2QI (2017-06-04T07:37:30Z)
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07:48	dusko	hi there
07:48	dusko	i have a question
07:49	dusko	in my minetest 0.4.15 dev there is only possible to have 23 things in menu
07:49	dusko	i insterted some mods but there is still 23 items
07:50	dusko	so, how could i set more place for items in menu
07:53	sfan5	which menu are you referring to?
07:54	dusko	sfan5: menu when i type "i" on keyboard
07:55	dusko	sfan5: there it is: http://imgur.com/a/orClK
07:55	dusko	sfan5: i inserted there few mods but still 23
07:56	dusko	sfan5: there u can see
07:56	sfan5	you need to make sure the mods are actually enabled and working
07:56	dusko	sfan5: http://imgur.com/a/LKLth
07:57	sfan5	i see some red errors in the background, deal with those first and then see
07:57	dusko	sfan5: how to fix them
07:57	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: JsonCPP update from 0.10.6 to 1.8.0 2362d3f https://git.io/vH2QN (2017-06-04T07:57:08Z)
07:57	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Minetest for C++11 (CMakeLists + Travis) bf6569b https://git.io/vH2QA (2017-06-04T07:57:08Z)
07:57	dusko	sfan5: i am totally new in this
07:58	dusko	sfan5: there is also list of mods: http://imgur.com/a/5lw2u
07:58	sfan5	you check and see which dependencies are missing
07:58	sfan5	and install those
07:58	sfan5	for example the first error means you are missing unifieddyes
07:58	dusko	sfan5: have u got teamwiever 12 on your pc
07:59	sfan5	nope
07:59	dusko	sfan5: any remote client
07:59	sfan5	you just need to install a few more mods
07:59	sfan5	no remote client needed for that
08:00	dusko	sfan5: check out this bro: http://imgur.com/a/jRTMB
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08:00	dusko	sfan5: do not know what it says
08:00	sfan5	you're missing unifieddyes and biome_lib
08:01	sfan5	and it seems that homedecor and mobs were not installed correctly
08:01	dusko	sfan5: i just insterted them nothing changed
08:02	dusko	sfan5: any idea how to install those missing libs
08:02	sfan5	search for them on the forums
08:03	Jupiter_	or just straight-up google it, https://github.com/minetest-mods/unifieddyes for instance has specific instructions in the Install part of the .md file
08:04	dusko	Jupiter_: do i need to instert this into mods
08:05	Jupiter_	god damn it did you even read the "install part" you lazy goat
08:07	red-001	that most be the first time I heard the phrase "lazy goat"
08:07	red-001	and that pharse is awesome
08:08	dusko	Jupiter_: cant believe it works
08:09	dusko	Jupiter_: but i still got some errors
08:09	dusko	Jupiter_: http://imgur.com/TQNi3n4
08:09	dusko	sfan5: http://imgur.com/TQNi3n4
08:09	dusko	sfan5: i got that
08:10	sfan5	you. are. missing. biome_lib.
08:10	Jupiter_	Same error type same mistake
08:11	dusko	Jupiter_: yes but it fixed other errors
08:11	Jupiter_	When you install mods, the "install" part is important, but more important than that is the "dependencies" part, without them, mods won't work, game will break, player will cry
08:12	Jupiter_	dusko: it fixed SOME dependencies error but you still lack the mods mentioned in it: mobs and biome_lib as sfan5 said
08:18	dusko	i have now downloaded and insterted that biome_lib but still got errors. i also changed name from biome_lib-master to biome_lib
08:19	dusko	i think i fixed error biome_lib, now i must fix "mobs"
08:19	Jupiter_	Now you're getting the hang of it
08:21	dusko	Jupiter_: now i'm starting to understnd how it works
08:21	dusko	Jupiter_: thakns bro ;)
08:21	dusko	Jupiter_: only problem is that i cant find mobs lib to download
08:21	dusko	Jupiter_: and can u recommend some mod with humans
08:22	Jupiter_	dusko: yup I looked it up and didn't find it, are you trying to install this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=629
08:23	Jupiter_	dusko: I can't really recommend mods with humans, sorry, maybe make a forum post about it?
08:23	dusko	Jupiter_: yeah
08:23	dusko	Jupiter_: that is what i'm trying to install
08:23	Jupiter_	dusko: So you just unzipped it in your mods folder, right?
08:24	dusko	Jupiter_: yep
08:24	dusko	Jupiter_: i downloaded it from category "stable verison" on that link
08:25	dusko	Jupiter_: stable download *
08:25	Jupiter_	dusko: have you checked if all the mods are indeed enabled?
08:26	Jupiter_	dusko: also the mod seems to be outdated, so it may simply not work on the latest version of minetest, I'm sorry
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08:26	dusko	Jupiter_: possible thanks a lot
08:26	dusko	thanks all of u sfan5 Jupiter_ red-001
08:27	dusko	sfan5 Jupiter_ red-001 if i would have some problems i will ask
08:28	Jupiter_	dusko: If it doesn't work, try installing this instead: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917 It is however more tedious to install as you have to unzip 4 different submods
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09:07	Jupiter_	I asked this question earlier this morning, but how can I join a server without the loading "media" killing my internet connection?
09:07	sfan5	you don't
09:08	Jupiter_	That seems counter-intuitive, how can I join a server then
09:09	sfan5	how can i achieve <end goal> without <crucial step>?
09:09	sfan5	the answer is you can't
09:09	sfan5	a slightly complicated way of avoiding media loading is to install the same sets of mods as the server and run a local game once which will populate the cache
09:09	Jupiter_	sfan5: What I want to avoid is the "media" loading absolutely killing my bandwith and (somehow) making me disconnect from my router
09:10	Jupiter_	If the incoming/outgoing traffic could be limited I think it would fix this
09:10	sfan5	media loading does not kill your bandwidth more than any other download
09:10	sfan5	also this is a sign that your router sucks
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09:11	Out`Of`Control	is 0.4.16 out?
09:11	Jupiter_	sfan5: well I didn't really choose it, but thks lmao. What happens is that it gets stucks at 0% and then I get dced from my router
09:11	Out`Of`Control	hello
09:11	sfan5	Out`Of`Control: ye
09:11	Out`Of`Control	update topic
09:12	sfan5	Jupiter_: try a vpn Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
09:12	sfan5	!op
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09:12	sfan5	!deop
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09:12	Out`Of`Control	Jupiter_: you can set limit on your PC
09:14	Jupiter_	Out`Of`Control, can't seem to be able to do bandwith thingy limit on my router. Also it just happens for this game, so I'm kinda lazy and I wanted to know if there's some thingy I could enable in the config files or smthng
09:14	Out`Of`Control	Jupiter_: try other server with less mods
09:15	sfan5	there isn't really anything the application can do if your router bugs out with UDP traffic
09:17	Jupiter_	Out`Of`Control, Yeah the test mods server & cyberia seems to work, but one is a hellish stone landscape and the other is empty
09:17	Jupiter_	sfan5: Well that's a shame, alright then
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09:25	MinetestBot	IhrFussel: Jun-04 09:17 UTC <Krock> Did it work with the windows binary?
09:25	IhrFussel	Krock, yes she was able to run it on 64-bit
09:26	Krock	great :)
09:27	sfan5	btw Krock how come your msvc build is a few MB bigger than the mingw one?
09:27	Krock	sfan5, debug database
09:27	Krock	it's about 14 MiB uncompressed
09:28	sfan5	oh
09:28	IhrFussel	But now I got another problem: Since chat prediction got removed in 0.4.15-dev and ALL other versions before showed their own messages directly in the chat, any user with 0.4.15-dev or 0.4.16 now can't see their messages on my server cause I modify all user messages before I sent them and I expected the clients to show their own messages which means the sender gets ignored... if I enable the message for the sender
09:28	IhrFussel	as well OLD clients will see their messages twice
09:28	red-001	IhrFussel, check the clients protocol version
09:29	Jupiter_	Oh btw, how do I check out which mods are enabled on a server I visit
09:29	IhrFussel	red-001, will that work for old clients? Like 0.4.14?
09:29	red-001	it should
09:29	sfan5	Jupiter_: /mods
09:29	IhrFussel	Jupiter_, /mods ingame or servers.minetest.net and hover with the mouse over the game field
09:29	red-001	check if they protocol version is larger then iirc 29 in that cause they wouldn't see thier own messages
09:30	Jupiter_	Thanks sfan5 and IhrFussel
09:30	IhrFussel	Or was it hovering over the server name field...not sure
09:30	red-001	* 29 or greater
09:30	red-001	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/network/networkprotocol.h#L147
09:31	IhrFussel	red-001, so I need to check if protocol version is >= 29 and if it's true display message to the sender?
09:32	red-001	yes
09:32	IhrFussel	And what will old clients tell? nil?
09:32	red-001	older clients display thier own messages before sending them to the server
09:33	IhrFussel	Yes but I mean what if I check for <29 ?
09:33	Jupiter_	Hmm also, is there a way to check real server population, and not server population, bots included?
09:33	red-001	isn't that just the previous check reversed?
09:34	IhrFussel	Jupiter_, they are not bots, they play on an app that gives them the pre-determined names
09:34	red-001	<29: display message before sending it to server
09:34	red-001	>=29: don't display message just send it to server
09:34	Jupiter_	IhrFussel, What seriously? I thought they were soulless husk. hmm. The more you know
09:37	IhrFussel	red-001, what's the name of the function again? I can't find it in Lua API txt
09:38	Krock	minetest.get_player_information(player_name)
09:38	Krock	ninja'd, red-001 :P
09:38	red-001	noooooo
09:38	red-001	I was ninja'd once more
09:39	red-001	this this revenge for ninja'ing you yesterday?
09:40	red-001	minetest.get_player_information(player_name).prot_vers
09:40	red-001	wait a second
09:40	red-001	I think the docs are wrong
09:40	IhrFussel	And would a client with prot version 28 or lower also return its correct value or nil?
09:40	red-001	minetest.get_player_information(player_name).protocol_version
09:41	red-001	it should return the correct protocol version
09:41	red-001	really, really old clients/servers return 0
09:41	red-001	but I think we already dropped support for those
09:42	IhrFussel	And to check for the protocol version on each chat message isn't too heavy either? Or should I rather set a table on joinplayer?
09:42	red-001	it shouldn't be too heavy
09:43	red-001	it's just looking up some data after all
09:43	IhrFussel	I wonder...does the c++ code store all player data in an array?
09:44	red-001	I think every client gets their own c++ object
09:45	IhrFussel	I have no clue about objects in programming xP
09:45	red-001	anyway it shouldn't be an issue to get this data from c++
09:45	red-001	the code does something similar every time it gets a chat message
09:52	IhrFussel	Okay I implemented the code and just restarted...let's see if it works :P
09:56	IhrFussel	Ok can confirm it works...someone with 0.4.15 stable still sees their own chat prediction messages and 0.4.15-dev+ sees the modified one from the server..awesome!
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10:13	Out`Of`Control	WARNING[Main]: /!\ You are using old player file backend. This backend is deprecated and will be removed in next release /!\
10:13	Out`Of`Control	where i can read about it? How convert it
10:13	red-001	there is a wikipage
10:13	* red-001	wonders if he is secerctly german
10:14	red-001	I make wayy too many accidental compound-words
10:14	red-001	!wiki
10:14	Out`Of`Control	red-001: i mean how can you delete players from that database and so on
10:15	Krock	http://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends#Player_backend
10:15	red-001	iirc minetest.remove_player
10:15	red-001	but that doesn't remove the auth data
10:15	red-001	so minetest.player_exists will still return true
10:15	Krock	well, minetest.auth_table_name_somewhat[name] = nil does it
10:15	Out`Of`Control	so i can't use script to remove many at once?
10:16	Krock	surely you can
10:16	red-001	just a lua script
10:16	Out`Of`Control	right i use bash
10:16	Out`Of`Control	now*
10:16	red-001	or you could mess around with the database directly
10:16	Krock	if it's a seperate script, it'll have to open the sqlite3 database and run queries
10:18	Out`Of`Control	thanks
10:20	Out`Of`Control	what is stored in players_backend?
10:20	Out`Of`Control	worldname/players?
10:23	Krock	huh? it will contain all player data but auth
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10:26	IhrFussel	Can you attach nodes to entities/players with light source?
10:27	IhrFussel	I mean can you attach nodes with light source to players/entities*
10:28	Out`Of`Control	when slopes get water friendly? without air chunks
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10:31	redblade7	i'm having some problems with coloredwood after updating to 0.4.16
10:31	redblade7	there are some nodes like coloredwood:slab_wood_light_orange and coloredwood:wood_light_blue which no longer exist and are unknown items now
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10:42	tree_	hi all
10:42	tree_	how to launch minetest on linux ?
10:42	tree_	is there any instruction how to do that ?
10:43	tree_	i'm running on ubuntu 16.04
10:43	Out`Of`Control	tree_: did you compile it?
10:44	Out`Of`Control	./bin/minetest
10:45	red-001	if you didn't compile it: minetest
10:50	tree_	nvm I installed it again by software center
10:50	tree_	and now it works
10:57	Calinou	hi :)
10:57	Calinou	posted about Minetest 0.4.16 release on some subreddits :P
10:59	red-001	huh I need to update itch.io
10:59	red-001	I should figure out how to cross-compile for windows
10:59	red-001	so I can get a non RUN_IN_PLACE build
11:01	Calinou	red-001: you on Linux?
11:01	red-001	yes
11:01	Calinou	it shouldn't be too hard to compile for Windows then
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11:01	Calinou	your distro may have pre-compiled MinGW packages
11:01	red-001	well I think I just need to build the libs
11:02	red-001	I tried using the buildbot but it either fails to link or segfaults when I try to start it
11:02	red-001	(in wine)
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11:44	sfan5	just use the c+
11:44	sfan5	compiler that travis uses, that one is guaranteed to work
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12:04	Calinou	if people are interested, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6f6s20/minetest_0416_released_open_source/
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12:06	IhrFussel	In 0.4.16 chests also play a opening sound when someone else accesses them while they're opened...is that intentional?
12:06	red-001	well thats what you get when offical policy was "no new features in minetest_game" for quite some time
12:07	Krock	lol, why should it be a problem using irrlicht?
12:10	ThomasMonroe	may i ask a dumb question?
12:11	Jupiter_	No
12:11	Jupiter_	but go ahead
12:11	ThomasMonroe	lol
12:12	ThomasMonroe	why wasnt another game engine used?
12:12	red-001	who knows (tm)
12:12	red-001	well I think celeron55 said it was something todo with copyright or something
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12:13	redblade7	please help if you can
12:13	redblade7	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17793
12:13	ThomasMonroe	bcs ive looked at plenty of free gameengines like cafu and they seem much better than irrlicht
12:13	sfan5	did those engines you looked at exist in 2011?
12:18	ThomasMonroe	hmm
12:18	ThomasMonroe	i do not know atm
12:18	ThomasMonroe	but i believe so
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12:40	red-001	can I embedded a formspec dropdown inside a table?
12:42	red-001	yes, no, maybe?
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13:37	celeron55	ThomasMonroe: did you look at them in 2010?
13:37	celeron55	(hi)
13:39	celeron55	tl;dr history of minetest's graphics library choice: in 2010, there was irrlicht and ogre, and irrlicht was more freely licensed
13:39	celeron55	since then, pretty much everything has changed except minetest
13:39	Fixer	except minetest_game cough
13:40	Fixer	mtg is real stability approaching graveyard levels /s
13:40	red-001	Fixer, debian stability
13:40	Fixer	sorry for interrupting
13:41	Calinou	true, OGRE was LGPL back in 2010
13:41	Calinou	now it's MIT
13:41	celeron55	lennart poettering needs an opposing force, and this is the only thing we have
13:41	Fixer	debian will be opposite force
13:41	Fixer	not minetest
13:42	red-001	Debain: Opposing Force
13:42	Calinou	poor Ain Murdock :(
13:43	Fixer	red-001: LOL
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13:49	vincentux	Bonjour Ã tous, j'ai eu un souci depuis la mMAJ en 0.4.16 voir sur le forum : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=17794 merci
13:50	sfan5	you might want the french channel instead: #minetest-fr
13:53	vincentux	oups, merci ;)
13:53	ThomasMonroe	oh sry i was playing around, lol
13:54	ThomasMonroe	no sry celeron55 i did not
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14:23	EDAKIRI	VanessaE: I only see normal maps : trees_tree_conifer_normal.jpg trees_tree_palm_normal.jpg
14:23	EDAKIRI	VanessaE: Are there more ?
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14:24	EDAKIRI	I am looking at hdx-256
14:29	VanessaE	EDAKIRI: normalmaps for HDX are obsolete
14:30	VanessaE	don't use them
14:30	VanessaE	just delete *_normal.jpg
14:30	VanessaE	most of them are outdated
14:30	VanessaE	and all of them generated by filtering textures in different ways, rather than being hand-crafted
14:34	EDAKIRI	VanessaE: (How) are normal maps stored now?
14:41	VanessaE	stored?
14:42	VanessaE	I don't understand the question
14:43	EDAKIRI	Do normal maps exist (aside from the 2 files i listed) now?
14:43	xerox123	is it possible to run 3 world's off the same installation simultaneously
14:43	VanessaE	no, they do not.
14:43	VanessaE	I discontinued the HDX normalmaps repositoryu
14:43	VanessaE	-u
14:43	EDAKIRI	Would you advise using the minetest normal map generation?
14:43	VanessaE	xerox123: you can run as many instances as you want, as long as each one has its own config file and of course its own world dir
14:43	VanessaE	EDAKIRI: I would not.
14:44	VanessaE	normalmaps are ugly if done wrong, and they cost FPS. I've never been very fond of the auto-generated normalmaps, either.
14:44	xerox123	ok
14:44	EDAKIRI	He would need different address:port combinations for each world also, i think.
14:44	VanessaE	EDAKIRI: correct, but that would be stored in the config
14:44	EDAKIRI	Thanks for the advice.
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14:46	EDAKIRI	by 'config file', i think you mean minetest.conf. An alternative would be to use a single minetest.conf and state a unique port for each on each command line.
14:47	VanessaE	no
14:47	VanessaE	don't do that.
14:47	VanessaE	you can point minetest to a different config file than usual by using the `--config` command line switch
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15:08	onciblu	hello
15:08	Krock	hey there
15:09	onciblu	I am having a hard time finding papyrus
15:09	onciblu	is there any hint or just sheer luck?
15:10	Krock	luck, and if you don't find any for days, then it's called bug
15:11	red-001	it's called really large biomes
15:12	Krock	the cheater method would be to generate the terrain using /emergeblocks here 300 then changing the colors.txt of minetestmapper and run the mapper
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15:12	Krock	changing the color will have the effect of seeing the papyrus more easily
15:13	red-001	Krock, oredectect
15:13	Krock	red-001, not effective for such big areas
15:13	Krock	*oredetect
15:14	Fixer	look for papyrus in savannah/jungle near seas/rivers
15:15	onciblu	hmm, thanks. I found some in single player in a red savana(I think). But didn't found any on my friends server
15:15	Krock	it's quite hard to find papyrus and clay sometimes
15:16	onciblu	And I fell I generated too much terrain on his server. Found a jungle but no luck
15:16	Krock	don't worry. the stuff is all compressed :3
15:16	Fixer	Krock: clay problem was fixed
15:16	Krock	Fixer, ah, so it spawns more often now?
15:16	Fixer	Krock: yes, that was a bug
15:17	Fixer	some time ago
15:17	Krock	looks like I missed that issue and corresponding PR
15:18	Fixer	probably in 0.4.13 or near it
15:18	onciblu	can confirm. Found lots of clay
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15:26	rubenwardy	I'd use a difference config per word
15:26	rubenwardy	oops, was scrolled up quite far
15:27	Krock	lol hi rubenwardy
15:28	onciblu	he is running some mods. Maybe that affects it as well
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15:46	paramat	onciblu which mapgen?
15:47	paramat	in non-mgv6 mapgens papyrus only occurs in savanna
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15:48	paramat	so yes it may be a long distance if you are unlucky (up to a few thousand nodes), but exploration and adventure is good
15:50	paramat	savanna is found on the edges of rainforest or orange desert
15:50	paramat	or hot edge of grassland
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16:02	onciblu	I think he is using techinic mods (wich requires paper for a lot of things) and dry grasses
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16:20	EDAKIRI	for mg_flags , 'light' is in the example config , but not at https://dev.minetest.net/mg_flags
16:20	EDAKIRI	along with 'decorations'
16:22	EDAKIRI	Does changing chunk size alter mapgen output? Does it create different nodes?
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16:30	Krock	EDAKIRI, no. Big chunk sizes will only generate more map data per "step", low chunk sizes will trigger the map generator more often and spread the load but might also result in chopped trees (from what I've seen)
16:31	EDAKIRI	Krock: thanks
16:31	Krock	!next
16:31	MinetestBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:31	EDAKIRI	I've just found this. https://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_Parameters#Chunk_size
16:32	EDAKIRI	"larger values take longer to generate but blocks generate quicker on average and could produce larger, more intricate caves and dungeons. "
16:32	Krock	it's not https btw
16:34	EDAKIRI	It can be loaded by HTTPS, but the certificate has no stated issuer.
16:35	onciblu	about the technic mod, does anyone know how to use the mining laser? does it need power?
16:35	Krock	yes, charge it ni a battery
16:35	Krock	once the bar is entirely green, start clicking and destroying
16:36	Krock	(the battery node)
16:36	Krock	this means you'll need a low voltage net to charge the battery node, which then can charge the mining laser
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17:10	paramat	the wiki is out of date, old news, be suspicious of it
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17:12	paramat	EDAKIRI smaller chunksize causes a higher density of dungeons and certain caves
17:13	paramat	because those have a fixed number per chunk
17:13	IhrFussel	I found a translation bug in German: "Addresse" needs to be "Adresse"
17:13	paramat	chunksize 1 is insane for dungeons
17:14	paramat	but terrain shape is unaffected
17:15	EDAKIRI	Thanks. I play without dungeons.
17:15	onciblu	I heard tnt mechanics changed
17:16	onciblu	The guy was super exited to show me how tnt is awesome
17:16	onciblu	Then he exploded some and went extremally "meh"
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17:29	paramat	well small batches of TNT now explode in one go with a larger explosion, just use more TNT
17:31	red-001	IhrFussel, weblate?
17:31	IhrFussel	I never used weblate, shouldn't it rather do someone who's more experienced? o.o
17:32	red-001	it's pretty user friendly
17:32	red-001	https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/minetest/minetest/de/?checksum=&offset=&q=Addresse&search=substring&source=on&target=on&type=all&ignored=False
17:32	red-001	that string?
17:32	onciblu	he used a bunch. according to him "it should create a holer bigger than the render distance
17:35	IhrFussel	red-001, I just corrected it and clicked "Suggest" was that right?
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17:40	paramat	depending on the render distance a hole that big would be difficult to process
17:41	paramat	even 80^3 nodes is quite big for a lua voxelmanip (512000 nodes)
17:46	swift110	hey all
17:46	ThomasMonroe	hey
17:48	ThomasJaguar1212	I just compiled and set up 0.4.16 today, and i am quite impressed.
17:49	red-001	IhrFussel, do you have a github account?
17:50	IhrFussel	Yes sure, I already filed a few issues
17:50	red-001	well if you login with github you can edit the translation not just suggest
17:51	red-001	anyway I accepted this suggestion, just for future referance
17:51	CalebDavis	so is it wise to update from 0.4.15 not or wait for a beta
17:52	CalebDavis	now*
17:52	red-001	the release doesn't seem to have any major issues
17:52	red-001	so I say go for it
17:52	CalebDavis	ok thx
17:53	swift110	how are you Thomas-S
17:53	Thomas-S	I'm fine, thanks! And what about you?
17:53	ThomasMonroe	hi Thomas-S
17:54	paramat	0.4.16 has many very significant improvements and bugfixes, i can't emphasise this enough
17:54	Thomas-S	Hello, ThomasMonroe!
17:54	swift110	im great Thomas-S
17:54	swift110	there is a 4.16 version of the game?
17:54	ThomasMonroe	apparently
17:54	CalebDavis	it came out yesterday
17:54	paramat	yes
17:55	ThomasJaguar1212	my average framerate practically doubled.
17:55	paramat	always use the corresponding MTGame, otherwise bugs may occur
17:56	IhrFussel	red-001, I see it says translation is locked
17:56	paramat	we discovered that particles on servers were being rendered for everyone at extreme distances, noe they are distance limited, a big FPS rise
17:56	paramat	*now
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18:08	Jupiter_	Is there a hunger mod compatible with sofar's farming mod?
18:08	CalebDavis	my fps after i just updated dropped to 10-15
18:09	CalebDavis	perhaps my ram is clogged
18:11	Jupiter_	Nvm, found it
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18:45	Jupiter_	can't argue with that
18:45	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15802
18:46	Calinou	AppImages for Minetest 0.4.16 (and Git master) released
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18:53	AlexYst	I just found Minetest's mod-specific storage feature, with support for 32-bit integers - and those integers wrap!! I'm so exited.
19:01	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: C++11 patchset 2: remove util/cpp11.h and util/cpp11_container.h (#5821) a98baef https://git.io/vHaOd (2017-06-04T19:00:04Z)
19:08	AlexYst	Sweet ... If you ask for an integer that hasn't been set yet, it's returned as zero instead of nil. No need to check for nil before using the value.
19:08	AlexYst	It looks like I can remove my on_joinplayer function entirely.
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19:15	CalebDavis	i just updated my minetest and now i cant jump while on the edge of a block
19:16	Calinou	CalebDavis: I think this has been an issue for... years
19:16	Calinou	since the introduction of nodeboxes
19:16	CalebDavis	ahh and it just got fixxed
19:18	paramat	that's been an issue for a long time
19:20	CalebDavis	so it finaly got fixed?
19:21	paramat	no
19:22	CalebDavis	ohh well it was jumping it for me b4
19:22	paramat	CalebDavis while sneaking on the edge?
19:22	CalebDavis	yep
19:23	paramat	that's new sneak code then
19:23	paramat	there's an option for old sneak code
19:24	CalebDavis	so i am not supposed to be able to jump while sneaking on the edge?
19:24	paramat	well we're working on it, if that can be made possible it will
19:24	paramat	it's just difficult
19:24	CalebDavis	ok thx
19:25	paramat	see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17397
19:26	paramat	the option for old snaek code ('old move code') is there temporarily while we try to improve new sneak code
19:26	paramat	*sneak
19:26	CalebDavis	ok thx
19:27	CalebDavis	where is that setting?
19:27	CalebDavis	i cant find it in the settings
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19:28	paramat	see the forum thread
19:28	paramat	you enable using a small mod
19:29	swift110	ok so I got the new 4/16
19:29	swift110	4.16
19:29	paramat	it's a 'physics override' called 'new move'
19:29	swift110	looking forward to playing it
19:29	CalebDavis	ok
19:30	swift110	hey calcul0n
19:30	swift110	hey CalebDavis
19:30	CalebDavis	hi swift110
19:31	CalebDavis	paramat is that a clientside mod?
19:35	IhrFussel	Do extended attributes have any length limit?
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19:39	redblade7	hi
19:39	redblade7	is there ANYTHING i can do to get beds working again after I upgraded to 0.4.16?
19:39	redblade7	Players will start getting angry really soon I'm sure
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19:39	redblade7	Plenty of stuff is already broken
19:39	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/367
19:39	redblade7	That and more
19:40	redblade7	But getting beds working is the most critical thing
19:40	redblade7	I had NO IDEA that upgrading to 0.4.16 would break large amounts of content
19:40	redblade7	and THANK GOD i didn't "upgrade" my creative server
19:41	red-001	ask the author of the mod
19:41	redblade7	So this isn't an 0.4.16 issue?
19:42	redblade7	i can find an older version of the mod and all the nodes will come back?
19:42	redblade7	(though I'd have to find old versions of all the dependencies, namely unifieddyes)
19:42	IhrFussel	redblade7, uhh not sure what's wrong with your mods but all mods work fine on my server and it runs 0.4.16-dev
19:42	red-001	did you also update the mod?
19:42	redblade7	Yes
19:42	redblade7	I always upgrade all the mods when I upgrade to a new version
19:43	redblade7	The most recent homedecor is being used
19:43	redblade7	Other players have acknowledged that colored books have disappeared once you pick them up
19:43	redblade7	unknown item
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19:43	MinetestBot	[git] Thomas--S -> minetest/minetest: Remove deprecated code segments (#5891) 599e13e https://git.io/vHaG0 (2017-06-04T19:42:32Z)
19:43	redblade7	Plus large amounts of wood
19:44	redblade7	VanessaE said something about "static nodes"I didnt understand what she meant
19:44	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/363
19:44	red-001	???
19:44	red-001	that modpack doesn't have beds in it
19:44	VanessaE	redblade7: it means "statically colored" as in textures with color baked in.
19:44	VanessaE	as opposed to nodes that are param2-colored
19:44	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/coloredwood/issues/6
19:45	IhrFussel	Wait you are NOT talking about the default beds mod then?
19:45	redblade7	the two built-in beds work
19:45	redblade7	right-clicking causes the desired action
19:45	VanessaE	fixes for homedecor's books will come soonish
19:45	redblade7	but the homedecor ones dont work anymore
19:45	redblade7	right click them, nothing happens
19:45	VanessaE	homedecor's beds don't "sleep" and haven't for a while now
19:46	VanessaE	code disabled because it's incompatible with default beds mod
19:46	VanessaE	or was
19:46	redblade7	so the bed issue will never be fixed?
19:46	red-001	anyway a mod being broken doesn't have anything todo with 0.4.16
19:46	paramat	CalebDavis no, a normal serverside mod
19:47	CalebDavis	ok paramat
19:49	VanessaE	redblade7: the bed issue will be fixed eventually.
19:49	VanessaE	as will the books
19:49	VanessaE	and the problem with colored woods
19:49	VanessaE	and the glitch in pipeworks' handling of the new "open" chests
19:49	VanessaE	pull requests are always welcome
19:49	VanessaE	and anyone with access to those repos is welcome to just fix those issues if I can't get to them
19:50	redblade7	so i'm stuck with a mess with no way to downgrade?
19:50	redblade7	two messes?
19:50	redblade7	i wish there would have been warnings
19:50	VanessaE	right now, all I care about is that none of my mods nor any of the mods in dreambuilder crash with 0.4.16+corresponding mt_game
19:50	VanessaE	there WERE warnings.
19:50	redblade7	where?
19:51	VanessaE	on the forum posts
19:51	redblade7	all i saw was the nyan cat thing
19:51	redblade7	nothing in changelogs
19:51	redblade7	nothing in the announcement
19:51	VanessaE	and builds were made that work with older versions of MT also
19:51	paramat	it's a mod issue
19:51	VanessaE	like I said, mods will be fixed. if someone wants to fix them before I do, please do so.
19:51	redblade7	so what do you suggest i do to get at least sleeping beds back?
19:51	VanessaE	until then, if they don't crash, I'm happy.
19:51	redblade7	can i use an old version?
19:51	redblade7	at at what commit?
19:52	VanessaE	facepalm
19:52	VanessaE	I don't remember the commit ID. try the 0.4.15 tag.
19:52	redblade7	0.4.15 era coloredwood and homedecor will work?
19:52	VanessaE	yes, they should.
19:52	paramat	MT changelogs and announcements have nothing to do with mod issues
19:52	VanessaE	but then you'll see unknown nodes for everything that already converted over
19:54	redblade7	what about unified dyes?
19:54	paramat	the warnings would have been in the homedecor/dreambuilder threads
19:54	redblade7	will unifieddyes have to be downgraded too?
19:55	redblade7	there isn't much using coloredwood as the two servers i upgraded are fairly new
19:55	VanessaE	you'd have to downgrade everything yes
19:55	redblade7	but homedecor is what i'm concerned with
19:55	VanessaE	or you could just wait for fixes
19:55	VanessaE	(sound familiar? :P )
19:56	VanessaE	if you downgrade a mod that uses unified dyes, I THINK you can just use it as-is
19:56	VanessaE	but if you have to downgrade unified dyes, then everything that uses it will probably have to be downgraded also
19:56	redblade7	well i can "wait for fixes" to coloredwood on two of my servers
19:56	redblade7	but i need working beds or people will be angry
19:57	VanessaE	then use mt_game beds.
19:57	VanessaE	or submit a fix for homedecor
19:57	VanessaE	I don't have time to fix it right now
19:57	redblade7	wait...so that wont be fixed?
19:57	redblade7	no i mean in the short term
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19:58	VanessaE	not immediately, no
19:58	VanessaE	unless someone here has access to the homedecor repo and others and can fix it before I get to it
19:58	redblade7	but i can expect a short-term fix for the coloredwood issue?
19:59	redblade7	or is that also long-term
19:59	VanessaE	no, don't expect any fixes in the short term
19:59	VanessaE	for now, just dig the affected nodes and replace them with something appropriate.
20:02	redblade7	is this what you mean by "0.4.15 homedecor" https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/releases/tag/0.4.15
20:02	redblade7	there's also "stable-20170228"
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20:09	redblade7	VanessaE:
20:10	VanessaE	yeah.
20:10	redblade7	which one?
20:10	redblade7	0.4.15 or stable-20170228
20:11	VanessaE	stable-20170228 if it works for you, else 0.4.15
20:11	VanessaE	the 2017* one was ... hm
20:11	VanessaE	what was that for, I can't remember now
20:11	VanessaE	I think that was just a snapshot for someone who wanted to make a debian package
20:22	redblade7	2017* doesnt allow sleeping, trying 0.4.15 now
20:23	Krock	no sleep for you in this year
20:23	red-001	can confirm
20:23	red-001	or maybe I just have fatal familial insomnia
20:25	redblade7	Krock: i still cant understand why people dont think this is a serious issue
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20:25	redblade7	it's one thing to have a book broken and another thing to be unable to sleep in a bed without warning
20:26	redblade7	unlike an inconvenient missing book if players cant sleep they get angry
20:26	red-001	wait so it works it just gives a warning?
20:26	Krock	strange
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20:28	Krock	haven't read the entire discussion above, so perhaps asking again: does the formspec show?
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20:30	redblade7	what is a formspec
20:31	redblade7	no players have to be given a warning as to why they have to wait 5 minutes and cant do whta they normally do
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20:39	redblade7	HOMEDECOR:KITCHEN_CHAIR_WOOD NOT DEFINED
20:39	redblade7	..
20:40	redblade7	.
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20:40	redblade7	wBOOKS MISSING COMPLETELY NOW
20:40	redblade7	I guess i'm TOTALLY FUCKED
20:40	VanessaE	redblade7: please read the github issues you commented on
20:40	VanessaE	let's see... homedecor:book
20:40	VanessaE	yep, got it
20:41	VanessaE	homedecor:kitchen_chair_wood
20:41	VanessaE	yep, there it is.
20:41	VanessaE	homedecor:kitchen_chair_padded is there too
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20:41	redblade7	after i downgraded homedecor_modpack
20:42	redblade7	now i'm stuck with the later version and hopefully no angry players
20:42	VanessaE	well duh
20:42	VanessaE	old homedecor has hard-coded color with baked textures so the node names are different
20:44	VanessaE	and, again, I believe I posted pretty clearly about this back in fricken January: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2041&start=700#p248958
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20:46	redblade7	i dont see anything about sleeping...
20:46	VanessaE	I mean the color stuff
20:47	VanessaE	and if you look at your github issue I commented there
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20:51	redblade7	wait a minute
20:51	redblade7	colored books do exist
20:51	redblade7	but only in the admin creative inventory
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20:51	redblade7	using unified_inventory
20:52	redblade7	users have unified_inventory_lite
20:52	redblade7	let me see if it's a _lite issue
20:53	jcalve	https://p.iotek.org/me8.png
20:54	jcalve	i updated my server today and i'm seeing this floating around
20:54	jcalve	could they be from an outdated mod or?
20:55	redblade7	nope
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20:55	Krock	it's from a mod you disabled
20:55	jcalve	i see now they are from a mod i deleted earlier
20:55	redblade7	writable books do exist but it's only in admin account's inventory
20:55	redblade7	will update the github
20:58	redblade7	"Writable book" is visible in unified_inventory and can be dyed by punching, but only by the admin account. It is not visible in user accounts and is an unknown item for them.
20:58	redblade7	just added to github
20:59	redblade7	wait
20:59	redblade7	"Writable book" is visible in unified_inventory and can be dyed by punching, but only by the admin account. It is not visible in user accounts' inventories and is an unknown item for them after picking it up (existing books are visible for both users and admin).
21:00	redblade7	Manually fixing the coloredwood in my case is not an issue as the servers I upgraded were both fairly new servers
21:01	redblade7	i didnt upgrade the 1-year-old one
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21:04	redblade7	The bed issue is tolerable. I give time privileges to people who speak english and promise not to troll
21:04	redblade7	Or they can wait
21:04	redblade7	it's just confusing
21:04	redblade7	i left a note at my spawn/news section
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21:16	redblade7	how do i prevent wooden planks from being colored?
21:16	redblade7	every time i put a blank one it turns to the last color i used
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21:25	redblade7	HELP
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21:26	redblade7	EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF WOOD I DROP AUTOMATICALLY TURNS TO LIGHT BLUE
21:27	juhdanad	Do you use any mods?
21:28	redblade7	you missed everything juhdanad
21:28	juhdanad	A moment, I'll read the logs...
21:32	redblade7	(quitting and restarting reset the mod)
21:32	redblade7	apparently i cant worldedit this building, it says "invalid argument"
21:33	redblade7	one by one replacing the blocks
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21:35	juhdanad	Okay, I read the logs. So no C++ changes needed, just mod changes.
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22:08	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Gitlab CI: Fix Ubuntu 14.04/Debian 8 build by using GCC 6 toolchain bfacfc2 https://git.io/vHa4O (2017-06-04T22:06:01Z)
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22:49	jcalve	while you're at it the build fails in openbsd unless you replace -std=c++11 with c++98 in CMakeLists.txt
22:54	redblade7	VanessaE: you still here?
22:54	VanessaE	barely.
22:54	redblade7	lol
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22:54	redblade7	my third server, creative gardens, has a lot of your mods on it (moretrees, plantlife, biome_lib) and a lot of similar "plant" and "tree" type mods
22:55	redblade7	if i upgraded your other mods which don't rely on unifieddyes, will i have the problems i had with some coloredwood blocks on the other server
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22:56	redblade7	i.e. do the problems only affect your mods that depend on unifieddyes
22:56	redblade7	or will there be missing trees and plants too
22:58	srifqi	redblade7, can you just use minetest.register_alias and apply it to be an alias for MTG bed?
22:59	redblade7	then you lose all the colored beds though :( i'd rather just wait until vanessae fixes it and put "you can't sleep in colored beds anymore" at news
22:59	redblade7	but it's the coloredwood that had chaos
22:59	redblade7	i could fix it on my two servers as they are only a few months old
23:00	redblade7	but this is my one year+ old server
23:00	redblade7	with moretrees, plantlife, and stuff like that
23:00	redblade7	since 0.4.16 seems a lot faster, and creative gardens is slow
23:00	redblade7	i would like to upgrade as much as i can
23:01	redblade7	but until vanessae fixes the bugs with coloredwood, unifieddyes, and homedecor everything on my 1+ year old server will be destroyed
23:01	redblade7	i just want to know if the non-unifieddyes-requiring mods by vanessa have bugs
23:01	redblade7	the same bugs
23:02	redblade7	i cant update homedecor so the beds are good there
23:02	redblade7	as it depends on unifieddyes
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23:05	redblade7	also it's good anyway since with the new dye system, if you could punch one but not the other it can be confusing for users to remember
23:06	ThomasMonroe	redblade7 i think VE updated her stuff today
23:06	redblade7	ThomasMonroe: no i've been talking to her today, she says it's gonna be a long time before the bugs are fixed
23:07	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/coloredwood/issues/6
23:08	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/367
23:08	redblade7	https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/363
23:08	VanessaE	no, I said it won't be a quick fix
23:08	VanessaE	because I'm too busy
23:08	VanessaE	"not quick" != "long time"
23:09	VanessaE	and if someone else who has access to my repos can fix the bugs before I do, they're welcome to do so
23:09	VanessaE	(and there are at least a few such people)
23:09	redblade7	oh
23:10	redblade7	i said before "short term vs long term"
23:10	redblade7	so i thought you meant "in the long term"
23:10	ThomasMonroe	ah ok, sry VE
23:10	VanessaE	ThomasMonroe: actually there was already one update today, yes - unified dyes got a quick fix for a rotation bug that happens only under 0.4.16 and builds made in the last...oh, month or so I guess
23:11	VanessaE	redblade7: fixes for all the mods reported will probably be in the span of a few days to a couple weeks, depends on how I feel
23:11	redblade7	VanessaE: will that fix problems i was having with homedecor items placed in the wrong direction
23:11	VanessaE	(haven't been too clear-headed lately)
23:11	redblade7	or is that something else
23:11	VanessaE	redblade7: yes
23:11	redblade7	ok
23:11	VanessaE	that bug was just fixed in unified dyes
23:12	redblade7	VanessaE: do plantlife, moretrees, and biome_lib have problems if i were to upgrade the creative gardens?
23:13	VanessaE	I don't know
23:13	redblade7	or will that be mostly smooth
23:13	VanessaE	probably okay
23:16	redblade7	you have any idea though why the writable books work but are only accessible to the admin account?
23:16	redblade7	or is that something you'll ahve to look at
23:17	redblade7	if it's something quick i can do, that would be great
23:18	VanessaE	that's some other mod on your system doing that
23:18	VanessaE	there's nothing in homedecor that should prevent normal users from being able to see a book in the creative inv
23:18	VanessaE	and if it isn't the grey book with the yellow trim, it is NOT a homedecor book
23:19	VanessaE	(that's how they look in the inv now, but that will change in the near future....maybe)
23:21	redblade7	it is the writable book
23:21	redblade7	it's now something you punch with dye
23:21	redblade7	but it's not in inventory and unknown item for everyone other than admin account
23:22	redblade7	they are still visible to users
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23:22	redblade7	but only admin can craft or write in them
23:22	redblade7	or pick them up
23:22	redblade7	i'm guessing singleplayer would be the same thing
23:23	redblade7	but that other person on github was having the same problem, but probably didnt try singleplayer, or perhaps not using unifiedinventory
23:23	Devy	Anyone wan to help me figure out a problem with some lua code specific to biomes?
23:23	redblade7	writable colored books are homedecor_modpack, right?
23:23	srifqi	Just ask, Devy.
23:24	Devy	Alright. I have a mod that registers a lot of underground biomes and to do this I have to clear the default biomes. After doing this, my biomes work but now the default ones are all meshed togther. Here's the code https://github.com/CoderForTheBetter/geominer/blob/master/mapgen.lua
23:25	Devy	I've tried registring the decorations again but taht doesn't work. All the plants and trees spawn in the wrong biomes and blocks.
23:25	Devy	that*
23:26	Devy	I'm at a loss on what to do to fix this problem. The code above is pretty far down the file.
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23:30	* srifqi	is reading
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23:44	blueph30nix	so, we here for the turndown service or what?
23:45	srifqi	What is turndown service?
23:45	blueph30nix	you're supposed to say "turn down for what"
23:45	srifqi	Devy, I haven't get the idea but I have to go now, sorry, will read again later.
23:45	Devy	no porb! bye.
23:45	blueph30nix	arrite
23:46	Devy	you made him leave!
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23:46	Devy	jk
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23:49	paramat	hi
23:49	Devy	Hey. Give me a sec to type this out.
23:52	Devy	Here's the code: https://github.com/CoderForTheBetter/geominer/blob/master/mapgen.lua scroll down far. After clearing the default biomes and re-registering them and mine, all of the decorations (plants, trees) are spawning where ever they want. The decorations do not spawn in the correct biomes. I have tried re-registering them, but it does not work. For example, grass now spawns on sand, and trees spawn on hill sides. Any idea what could be going on here?
23:54	Devy	I have tried every combination of registering things, but I can never fix the problem.

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