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05:43 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Add local node meta reference. (#5508) 000ec26 https://git.io/vSR3E (2017-04-04T05:41:37Z)
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05:48 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Client handlers: Remove useless stringstream usage in two handlers (#… 5631996 https://git.io/vSR3K (2017-04-04T05:47:04Z)
05:53 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: MapgenBasic: Add lava source as commonly used content (#5512) b8a4c95 https://git.io/vSR35 (2017-04-04T05:51:58Z)
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06:30 Yst The wiki says "flowers:waterlily" is renewable, but I can't find any information on how to actually get more waterlilies. Does anyone here know how?
06:30 Yst I can't even see anything in the code that explains how; I must be looking in the wrong place.
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07:13 paramat ~tell Yst waterlily is not renewable
07:13 ShadowBot paramat: O.K.
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07:18 Yst Thanks paramat! I guess the wiki is wrong then. I should create an account and fix that.
07:20 Yst Never mind. There doesn't seem to be an option to register. I think it's one of those wikis only a select few are allowed to edit.
07:20 kaeza Yst, no, the registration process is kind of broken
07:21 kaeza Yst, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10473
07:21 kaeza Calinou, ^
07:25 swift110 hey
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07:35 Yst I swear, this bad Internet connection is really getting on my nerves.
07:39 kaeza Yst, I amended the waterlily data for now
07:40 kaeza :I
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07:41 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Cordon Bleu Day! 😃
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07:42 swift110 hdy kaeza
07:42 kaeza heyo swift110
07:42 kaeza mornings JamesTait
07:42 swift110 how are you kaeza
07:42 JamesTait 👋 Morning, kaeza!
07:43 kaeza good I guess :)
07:43 kaeza how about you swift110?
07:50 Out`Of`Control Hi
07:50 Out`Of`Control is there simple way to disable node in default game?
07:54 kaeza Out`Of`Control, unregister_item ?
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07:56 kaeza you would create a mod that depends on the mod from the game, and unregister it
07:56 Out`Of`Control kaeza: uhm
07:56 Out`Of`Control ah
07:57 kaeza be aware that there's some stuff that may be used internally
07:57 kaeza or by mapgen
08:00 Out`Of`Control so with unregister_item i can remove default:coral_brow
08:00 swift110 im good
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08:03 Out`Of`Control kaeza: where i can read about unregister_item
08:03 kaeza Out`Of`Control, lua_api.txt is always the definitive reference
08:03 Out`Of`Control thanks
08:05 Yst Thanks, kaeza!
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08:06 kaeza you're uite welcome :)
08:06 kaeza both :P
08:06 kaeza +q
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11:59 ThomasMonroe should there be an additon to mesecons controllers
12:00 ThomasMonroe bcs i fnd it annoying to program all of the if then else end, or if then elif on the lua controllers
12:00 ThomasMonroe cant we make a sequential controller, one that has a list of instructions and carries them out accordingly?
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12:10 ThomasMonroe like this on(a), on(b), off(a)
12:10 ThomasMonroe would that be useful?
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12:40 DS-minetest hi
12:40 ThomasMonroe hi DS
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13:10 ThomasMonroe <ThomasMonroe> should there be an additon to mesecons controllers
13:10 ThomasMonroe <ThomasMonroe> bcs i fnd it annoying to program all of the if then else end, or if then elif on the lua controllers
13:10 ThomasMonroe <ThomasMonroe> cant we make a sequential controller, one that has a list of instructions and carries them out accordingly?
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13:10 ThomasMonroe <ThomasMonroe> like this on(a), on(b), off(a)
13:10 ThomasMonroe <ThomasMonroe> would that be useful?
13:13 DS-minetest you can use pin.a & co.
13:13 DS-minetest also there's a fpga
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13:15 ThomasMonroe an FPGA works like that?
13:15 DS-minetest um
13:18 DS-minetest try it its selfexplaining
13:18 ThomasMonroe ok i will
13:25 DS-minetest are there any news about the daily ppa?
13:28 Tre how would you use the FPGA to activate certain gates in sequence
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13:30 DS-minetest save in the number values
13:30 Tre wiat ill try something
13:30 DS-minetest eg.
13:30 DS-minetest A and B 0
13:30 DS-minetest 0 and C D
13:31 DS-minetest but there's no interrupt
13:31 Tre right, but lets say i wanted to activate a piston sequence
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13:31 Tre how would i do that useing this
13:31 Tre im trying to make a block swapper
13:32 DS-minetest u can still use luacontroller for complex things
13:33 Tre i know, but it would still be much easier to have something that carries out a set of instructions with interups in bewtween each line
13:34 DS-minetest use more than one fpga?
13:34 DS-minetest and delayer
13:34 Tre i want it to be compact enough to fit on a roof of a small house
13:36 DS-minetest i don't think, i can help u via chat
13:36 Tre np, didnt think anyone could, i was just wondering if the idea would be able to take root
13:37 Tre and maybe it will
13:38 Tre i was talking about something like a sequential microcontroller
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13:39 DS-minetest microcontrollers r outdated
13:40 Tre nah they can be used for many useful things
13:40 Tre i like using them
13:41 Tre they are simple and easy to understand, not that i dont understand lua
13:41 DS-minetest yeah, but i read something about that i think
13:41 Tre maybe its time to upgrade them
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13:57 DS-minetest I found out something interesting about nuclear reactors
13:58 DS-minetest if it's already long on, it takes long till meltdown
13:58 DS-minetest if it's a fresh one, its much faster
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13:59 Tre huh?
14:02 DS-minetest because structure_accumulated_badness goes into negative values
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14:16 Tre how would a block swapper be made in Minetest?
14:17 DS-minetest im not sure what u mean with block swapper
14:18 DS-minetest in technic is a constructor if you mean this
14:19 Tre http://redstonecircuits.blogspot.com/2013/04/block-swapper.html
14:22 DS-minetest looks interesting and not too difficult to do with luacontroller
14:22 Tre i know, but i am working with an old version of mesecons on this server
14:22 Tre oldeer*
14:23 DS-minetest bff why?
14:23 DS-minetest and soo old is extrem
14:23 DS-minetest luacontroller is already there since ages
14:23 Tre i am waiting for the developer to update the server
14:24 DS-minetest what server is it?
14:24 Tre i know that but the interupts wernt
14:24 Tre and definitly not event.iid
14:26 DS-minetest but its much older than fpga
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14:33 Tre true
14:33 DS-minetest shall settingtypes.txt files be in modpack folders?
14:40 Tre someone needs to make a redstone clone
14:41 Tre there anrt enoughe tutorials about mesecons, and it cant do everything that redstone can
14:41 DS-minetest it can
14:41 DS-minetest tell me one thing, it cant
14:42 Blaxono Hey :)
14:42 Blaxono im Moderator of Telsight,s Skywars Server
14:44 Tre block swapper using only torches and repeaters
14:45 DS-minetest lol, mesecons has no repeaters
14:46 Tre excatly my point, mesecons is great, but it has it limits when it comes to translating restone projects into it
14:46 Tre repeaters also double as delayers in redstone
14:48 DS-minetest not exactly
14:48 Tre what do you mean
14:48 DS-minetest repeaters can do somthing else if they point to another node
14:49 DS-minetest but a redstone clone would be nice for Wuzzy's subgame
14:49 Tre right if we have a redstone clone we can take projects directly from minecraft and trasnlate them into minetest
14:50 Tre who is Wuzzy?
14:50 Wuzzy It's me!
14:50 Tre hi Wuzzy
14:50 DS-minetest sry for writing ur name >_<
14:50 Wuzzy It's someone who made WAY too many mods for Minetest
14:50 Tre shoulda looked for you on the user list
14:50 Tre haha
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14:52 * DS-minetest has finished the self destruction
14:52 Tre hehe
14:53 DS-minetest of technic nuce reactor
14:53 DS-minetest and pushed
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14:54 DS-minetest u cant stop the countdown
14:54 DS-minetest but theres a setting
14:54 nore ^ mesecons had delayers which are more-or-less the repeaters of MC
14:55 twoelk Tre, you could make a forum post that points to some redstone contraption and challenge the mt comunity to rebuild it with mesecons, simplemachines or whatever other mod fits
14:55 DS-minetest but not exactly
14:55 Tre i dont have an account
14:55 DS-minetest make one
14:55 Tre i will
14:57 nore warning: there are people who use mesecons because they are actually crazy (i.e. me)
14:58 nore and that will build gigantic mesecons machines :)
14:58 DS-minetest lol
14:58 DS-minetest http://mesecons.net/
14:58 * DS-minetest did that too but not only with mesecons. but mostly it doesnt work );
14:58 DS-minetest because its limited
14:59 DS-minetest http://mesecons.net/uberi/
14:59 ^7heo So now it's possible to actually beta test your home automation in minecraft.
14:59 ^7heo s/craft/test/
15:00 ^7heo and synchronize your IRL coffee machine with a button in minetest.
15:00 ^7heo interesting
15:00 DS-minetest this is already possible for long time
15:00 DS-minetest jeija did it already
15:02 DS-minetest but it's dangerous
15:02 DS-minetest https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=5285
15:04 Tre hey nore, how ould you create a block swaper
15:05 nore heh, easy enough :)
15:05 Tre without lua controllers
15:05 DS-minetest https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=5369
15:05 nore I just need some time, since it is taken by other projects as well ^^
15:06 DS-minetest still ez without luacontroller
15:06 Tre hey nore what do you think about a controller that activates ports in succession according to a set of instrucions
15:07 nore you mean like this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=83243#p83243
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15:18 Tre where is the block swapper
15:21 Tre nore wher's the block swapper
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15:24 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_GT6a4M90
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15:30 Tre thats not a block swapper
15:34 DS-minetest lol, fast
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15:47 twoelk thought rather as a comment to <^7heo: and synchronize your IRL coffee machine with a button in minetest>
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15:53 ^7heo DS-minetest: did someone actually hook minetest to an actual coffee machine?
15:53 DS-minetest idk
15:54 DS-minetest i don't think, you would find anything about that
15:54 DS-minetest idk, how this swapper in mc works. Tre
15:55 DS-minetest how should it?!
15:55 Tre idk
15:57 DS-minetest i hate that googeled youtube
15:57 ^7heo wat?
15:58 DS-minetest ooh, that r not only sticky pistons
15:58 DS-minetest google made youtube mah
15:58 DS-minetest meh*
15:59 DS-minetest lol, the swapper is simple
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16:02 Tre how do you do it?
16:03 DS-minetest im trying
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16:05 Blaxono red-001 thaths is hard spamming...
16:06 DS-minetest not really
16:06 red-001 ?
16:08 Blaxono little
16:10 fireglow !mod caverealms
16:10 MinetestBot fireglow: Underground Realms [caverealms] by HeroOfTheWinds - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9522
16:11 DS-minetest Tre: idk now if it's possible
16:12 Blaxono !mod caveralms
16:12 MinetestBot Blaxono: Could not find anything.
16:15 twoelk !mod caverealms
16:15 MinetestBot twoelk: Underground Realms [caverealms] by HeroOfTheWinds - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9522
16:15 Tre ok
16:16 * DS-minetest is using water now
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16:19 DS-minetest Tre: i did it
16:19 DS-minetest but it's very slow
16:19 DS-minetest because it uses water turbines :3
16:20 fireglow hi DS-minetest =)
16:20 DS-minetest hi fireglow
16:20 DS-minetest so, normal button is too fast
16:23 Tre ok
16:23 Tre i am creating an account on the foroums can you pst something there?
16:23 DS-minetest im making it faster
16:24 Tre ok
16:27 DS-minetest oh, ive learned something new about mesecon torches
16:28 fireglow what?
16:28 DS-minetest they also go off if theres a signal on top of the node behind
16:29 DS-minetest but now i have to use not gates );
16:29 Tre huh interesting
16:30 fireglow hm
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16:44 DS-minetest shall i show a screenshot?
16:45 fireglow yes please
16:45 DS-minetest ok
16:45 DS-minetest but I will make it better
16:45 DS-minetest after the screenshot
16:46 DS-minetest ok, ill come back soon with the screenshot
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16:46 fireglow yay
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16:51 DS-minetest http://imgur.com/4467loo
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16:57 Tre did you use insulate mesewire inbetween the turbines?
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16:59 DS-minetest no
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17:00 DS-minetest beyond the cobble is a delayer pointing to the sticky piston
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17:03 DS-minetest yey, now it works with a button
17:03 DS-minetest (with the help of a flip flop gate)
17:05 Tre K
17:05 Tre what is it set on?
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17:05 Tre the delayer
17:06 DS-minetest 4
17:06 DS-minetest to make it slow
17:06 DS-minetest ly
17:06 Tre K
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17:15 Tre ok i have the stuff built but its not working
17:16 DS-minetest that can be
17:16 DS-minetest try disabling some signals until it works
17:17 DS-minetest i think, im building now to small, people wont understand so squashed things
17:18 Tre what do i have to do, how is the water setup
17:19 DS-minetest uh
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17:22 DS-minetest http://imgur.com/a/QUSXN
17:23 DS-minetest Tre: I could send you my world zipped over irc. But there's much other stuff.
17:24 DS-minetest 2.4MB
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17:30 agaran DS-minetest: what it is supposed to do?
17:30 DS-minetest <Tre> http://redstonecircuits.blogspot.com/2013/04/block-swapper.html
17:31 DS-minetest ^ for minetest
17:32 agaran but what is goal, I never played MC
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17:33 DS-minetest it replaces a node with another one
17:33 DS-minetest just look into chat log
17:33 DS-minetest Tre wanted it me to o
17:33 DS-minetest do*
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17:36 ThomasMonroe sry internet quit on me
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17:52 Mator_ o/
17:52 DS-minetest huhu
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17:58 Mator_ hoho
17:58 ThomasMonroe hey Mator_
17:58 Mator_ howdy
18:02 Mator_ does someone know of a good way to make a recursive algorithm point-driven?
18:02 Mator_ I have an algorithm which takes a coordinate and a size, and then recursively divides space and generates a structure
18:03 Mator_ this is inherently incompatible with chunk generation
18:03 twoelk sounds like menger cube
18:04 Mator_ already got menger sponge working with a point-test function
18:04 Mator_ what I'm thinking of right now is more like a dodecahedron fractal, or something similar
18:05 Mator_ octahedron**
18:05 Mator_ dodecs are evil
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18:05 DS-minetest what is being done with the mesecons modpack?!
18:06 DS-minetest minetest-mods added sofar to minetest-mods/mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 3 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest minetest-mods added Jeija to minetest-mods/mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 3 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest minetest-mods added whiskers75 to minetest-mods/mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 3 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest minetest-mods added Uberi to minetest-mods/mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 3 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest sofar added Jeija to sofar/minetest-mod-mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 5 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest sofar added numberZero to sofar/minetest-mod-mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 5 minutes ago
18:06 nore DS-minetest: well, it's being moved to minetest-mods
18:06 DS-minetest sofar added whiskers75 to sofar/minetest-mod-mesecons
18:06 DS-minetest 5 minutes ago
18:06 DS-minetest uups
18:06 DS-minetest sry
18:06 DS-minetest ok
18:06 Mator_ I think I figured my own problem out
18:06 Mator_ by thinking about it
18:07 Mator_ ty rubber ducks
18:07 sofar DS-minetest: mesecons is now at github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons
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18:08 DS-minetest yeah, ive seen now the issue. sry for posting this much text >_<
18:11 * twoelk gotta update his mod update scripts :-P
18:12 sfan5 sofar: fyi whiskers75 has been missing from the internet since years, no need to add him
18:13 sofar ok, I can remove him
18:13 sofar I never added him, he was migrated along with everyone else
18:14 sofar sfan5: appreciate you checking, thanks :)
18:14 DS-minetest sofar: that sounds as if you were a people smuggler
18:14 sfan5 i didnt check, it's just a sad fact i'm aware of when seeing that name
18:14 sofar pretty much
18:15 DS-minetest i have to go now. bye!
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19:14 Megaf_ !server Megaf
19:14 MinetestBot Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
19:14 Megaf_ o/
19:14 Megaf Jordach, ping
19:15 Megaf Megaf[m], get out of here
19:15 fireglow !server Enclave
19:15 MinetestBot fireglow: Free mining, Master Builders Enclave [EU/DE] | games.firc.de | Clients: 3/15, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.15-dev / minetest | Ping: 11ms
19:17 Jordach Megaf, meow
19:17 * Megaf roars
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20:22 Megaf Anyone here by chance using OpenVZ?
20:41 ThomasMonroe sorry not that i know of
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20:57 Mator_ Octahedron fractal generation is working
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21:12 Mator_ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=261883#p261883
21:13 Mator_ octahedron point test: https://github.com/matortheeternal/fractal-miner/blob/master/octahedron_flake/init.lua#L68-L87
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21:40 kaeza greetings
21:40 twoelk o/
21:42 Mator_ hai
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21:43 Mator_ I heard you like grassy hills.  So I put grassy hills on your grassy hills on your grassy hills on your grassy hills on your grassy hills on your grassy hills ...  http://imgur.com/YKiYgn0
21:45 kaeza heh
21:45 Mator_ ^_^
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22:19 ThomasMonroe would it be usefull to have pistons recieve from a range of 2 blocks?
22:20 Mator_ it would be useful to have a power element which can power a larger range of blocks
22:20 Mator_ but I wouldn't make a specific block recieve power from a larger range
22:23 ThomasMonroe i meant like if you have pistons stacked ontop of one anther you could fire them both with one wire
22:25 ThomasMonroe the power element would be nice
22:25 Mator_ I feel like firing a piston on a piston is a recipe for bugs
22:25 Mator_ :P
22:26 Mator_ but sure, it could be cool
22:26 Mator_ maybe what you want is to make it so a piston conducts charge
22:26 ThomasMonroe i was thinking of a 2x2 or 2x1 door that is very compact
22:26 Mator_ sure
22:27 ThomasMonroe wel that would work, but you might need two more type of pistons
22:27 ThomasMonroe bcs that might bcm annoying
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22:45 kaeza I'd like wireless mesecons myself :P (does that even make sense?)
22:45 ThomasMonroe kind of
22:56 Viper wireless wire?
22:56 Viper wired wifi
23:02 twoelk mesewificon?
23:03 twoelk sounds like vapourware ;-P
23:03 Mator_ ThomasMonroe two more?  Wouldn't you just need one?  "Conducting piston" ?
23:05 ThomasMonroe bcs if you had say two pistons side by side and you wanted them to fire at different times, you cant bcs one piston would fire off the other
23:05 twoelk an orchestra of mesecons conducted by a piston?
23:05 Mator_ What is "mesecon"?
23:05 kaeza redstone
23:06 Mator_ huh
23:06 Mator_ why the weird name?
23:06 kaeza because it's MESE CONductor I guess?
23:06 twoelk because copyright?
23:07 Mator_ Thomas: The "conducting piston" would only charge whatever is past the piston "plate" when it is extended
23:07 Mator_ What is MESE?
23:07 Mator_ And I totally get why it can't be "redstone"
23:07 twoelk do you play minetest?
23:07 kaeza !wiki Mese
23:07 MinetestBot "The Mese Block (pronounciation: [ˈmɛˌsɛ]) is the rarest ore and the third rarest block in Minetest Game and starts appearing very deep underground, at a height of Y=-1024 or below." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Mese
23:07 kaeza Mator_, ^
23:08 kaeza that texture needs an update
23:08 Mator_ just a weird name
23:08 Mator_ twoelk
23:08 Mator_ No, I just found out about Minetest like two days ago
23:08 kaeza >Mese actually means "msn messenger" in Finland and is used as a silly word (it sounds silly) in the ohjelmointiputka programming community. Additionally it is thought that the glasses of the emoticons 8) and 8D are "mese glasses".
23:09 Mator_ And I've been focusing on modding
23:09 Mator_ kaeza: Hm
23:11 kaeza it used to be sort of "diamonds" until actual diamonds were added
23:11 kaeza as in, the strongest metal in the MT world
23:12 kaeza !wiki Nyancat
23:12 MinetestBot "Nyan Cats are humorous blocks which are extremely rare." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Nyancat
23:12 kaeza sadly not anymore :/
23:12 ThomasMonroe what is nyan cat from anyway?
23:12 kaeza RIP
23:12 fireglow I have nyancat.zip
23:13 Mator_ kaeza Silver, Gold, copper, nickel, iron, platinum, zinc and aluminum have electrical conductivity
23:13 fireglow forever nyancat.zip
23:13 Mator_ replace Mese with one of these metals for #realism points :P
23:13 rubenwardy ThomasMonroe: the internet
23:13 ThomasMonroe ha..ha..ha..ha
23:13 Mator_ http://www.nyan.cat/
23:13 ThomasMonroe -.-
23:14 Mator_ http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nyan-cat-pop-tart-cat
23:14 ThomasMonroe so it is an internet meme
23:15 kaeza Mator_, we have gold and copper in default game now. also, iron is added by technic (replaces steel with wrought iron and adds more varieties). silver (and mithril) is added by moreores
23:15 kaeza technic also has zinc and aluminum
23:15 kaeza I don't recall if platinum or nickel exists anywhere :P
23:15 Mator_ kaeza: Let's make those into wires then and remove mese :P
23:16 Mator_ lul, that reminded me of anther meme, "Remove enderman" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtUxgOfN00A
23:16 twoelk Mator_, do visit some technic heavy servers like VanessaE's creative or survival and study those complicated contraptions like those of cheapie or nore and many others
23:17 ThomasMonroe gtg guys cya later tonight
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23:17 Mator_ twoelk okey
23:17 cheapie Mator_, twoelk: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170319_012540.png
23:18 cheapie If that's not technic-heavy, I don't know what is :P
23:18 twoelk if there is nothing unique anymore to minetest and it becomes totally realistic - I guess I can just as well walk of the door and enjoy real life :-D
23:19 cheapie twoelk: Well, you don't find depleted uranium buildings IRL, typically: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170324_020528.png
23:19 kaeza wut
23:19 twoelk ah the room I can only survive a tiny while in a hazmat suite?
23:20 cheapie This is more realistic, at least: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170212_134253.png
23:21 * twoelk wonders when VEC gets its central control room like in the film <Westworld>
23:22 cheapie Heck, that server even has the one intersection (like most RL cities) that nobody dares try to drive through: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170404_182203.png
23:23 twoelk hehe - I keep holding up the traffic trying to read all them signs
23:23 * cheapie needs to update his client to fix those upside-down letters
23:24 twoelk where can I see what them cameras record? :-D
23:34 twoelk 'night
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23:42 cheapie Anyone care to weigh in on which they like better? https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/pipeworks-inventory.png
23:42 cheapie As an example use case, say you want a detector tube. That's a white tube with a yellow band.

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