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00:14 octacian est31: so, could you give me a hand with power systems using VoxelManip?
00:15 est31 octacian: i am familiar with the code, but last time i looked at it was already some time ago
00:15 octacian Ohk
00:23 octacian est31: well, can you give me any tips as to how to get started?
00:23 octacian (or code samples)
00:23 est31 octacian: I can give you a description of how I saw the code did its work general overview
00:23 est31 basically you have a switching station
00:23 est31 its a node and has an abm attached to it
00:24 est31 that abm runs once every second
00:24 octacian ok
00:25 est31 and I think it stores the entire network the switching station is connected to in memory
00:25 est31 and if you remove a cable node or add it, it purges that network
00:25 octacian I'll say one thing though, I'd probably use a nodetimer
00:26 octacian How does it know when a cable is added or removed?
00:26 est31 and the next time the switching station abm runs, it generates the network again
00:26 est31 octacian: I think its a register_on_placenode thng
00:26 octacian Ah, I guess the question is, How is the network generated?
00:26 est31 thing*
00:26 est31 its generated in a recursive algorithm
00:26 est31 basically there is a function which calls itself on every adjacent nodes
00:27 octacian ..but that would require the nodes to be loaded, right?
00:27 est31 yes
00:27 octacian Or does it use VoxelManip?
00:27 est31 it does use voxelmanip
00:27 octacian OK
00:27 octacian Do you know where the code is?
00:27 octacian That'll still help me get started
00:27 est31 there is a function that basically makes a tiny little voxelmanip
00:27 est31 and returns the result
00:27 octacian Essentally I go from the switching station from node-to-node
00:28 est31 https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/helpers.lua#L49
00:28 octacian Thanks.
00:28 octacian I'll see what I can figure out.
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00:53 riff-IRC those are some insane ping timeouts
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01:52 octacian est31: would this code be valid? https://gist.github.com/octacian/ed7a33af01e62c0f9c8be02ae84fadfa
01:53 est31 yeah
01:53 octacian OK, good.
01:53 octacian I modified the final return to return minetest.get_node(pos), is all
01:54 octacian So, essentially I need to look around the control node every second and trace the network?
01:55 octacian est31: ^
01:55 est31 no
01:55 est31 thats very expensive
01:55 est31 instead cache the network in ram
01:56 est31 and remove the cache if a cable node is added or removed
01:56 est31 ultimately though its your decision
01:56 est31 you can start with generating the network each second
01:57 octacian huh
01:58 octacian o
01:58 octacian * ok
01:58 octacian So, I take it that I'm going to want to assign each network an ID and add that to all nodes in the network?
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03:24 BBmine There are at least two spammers selling stuff on the forums!
03:25 kaeza I see nothing
03:25 kaeza and check your PMs
03:26 BBmine ok
03:27 BBmine I read it. Sorry. I didn't know spammers were dealt with this quickly :)
03:27 kaeza I can delete all the spammer posts with a few click, but I won't go topic hunting to see if somebody quotes them
03:27 kaeza yes, people quote spammers :<
03:27 BBmine I didn't quote them. All I did was say "I'll report him" or something like that.
03:28 kaeza yeah, but someone else did
03:28 BBmine Oh :P
03:28 kaeza already nuked, though :P
03:29 BBmine I hope they won't be able to create new accounts to spam with.
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03:31 octacian est31: so, am I correct that essentially what I want to do is get_nodes_in_area around the controller and check if it's a valid power-related node then add it to the list?
03:32 octacian And then when broken remove it?
03:32 BBmine Hey octacian!
03:32 octacian hey BBmine
03:33 BBmine Did you see that troll on the forums?
03:33 octacian nope
03:33 octacian I've been working hard on MicroExpansion :D
03:33 octacian BRB, AFK.
03:33 BBmine Oh, he was there for a little bit, but then I reported him and now he and all his posts went *Poof*
03:37 octacian Back.
03:37 octacian Ah, I see.
03:38 octacian BBmine: out of curiosity, have you seen my mod, MicroExpansion?
03:38 BBmine Nope. Octacian, I saw that you said Guest1336. It's actually Guest1326
03:39 octacian >_<
03:39 BBmine Can we go to the forums now and just push this to the end please? LOL
03:39 BBmine I have an EPIC ending ready too!
03:40 octacian BBmine: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9236&amp;p=254421#p254421
03:40 octacian !mod microexpansion BBmine
03:40 MinetestBot octacian: Could not find anything.
03:40 octacian !mod microexpansion
03:40 MinetestBot octacian: MicroExpansion [microexpansion] by endev15 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15955
03:41 octacian BBmine: ^
03:41 BBmine Cool! Nice feature! And thanks for fixing it :)
03:41 BBmine k. u need to see mine then...
03:41 BBmine !mod letters
03:41 MinetestBot BBmine: Glowing letters A-Z + 0-9 FINAL VERSION [neon] by webdesigner97 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3260
03:41 BBmine thats not mine -_-
03:42 octacian :P
03:42 BBmine !mod BBmine
03:42 MinetestBot BBmine: Could not find anything.
03:42 octacian You gotta create original names :P
03:42 BBmine :p
03:42 BBmine I didn't know that mod existed until I made it :(
03:43 octacian WEll, you can always rename it
03:43 BBmine Cool! I'll try to make a video about it tomorrow
03:44 octacian Thanks :D
03:44 BBmine Do people really hang out on IRC all day here? LOL
03:44 octacian Reminds me... I really need to U/L a video myself. It's been three weeks.. xD
03:44 octacian BBmine: yep. I for one do
03:44 octacian Well, I'm always here, but I'm not as I also have to do school work ofc :D
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03:45 BBmine I'm not sure if I subbed you yet. (Already subscribed to 99+)
03:46 BBmine Ok, you have 49 subbers now :)
03:46 octacian Thanks! xD
03:46 octacian As of late, I've been getting at least 1 sub every other day xD
03:47 octacian Maybe, if I uploaded a bit more often, It'd get up to 1sub/day :D
03:47 BBmine Oh, could you do me a favour and sub me?
03:47 octacian Sure. Can't right now though, really busy with ME :P
03:47 BBmine LINK: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCC5sorqcONQD5I7M-mYHLw
03:48 octacian BTW, if you think the mod is interesting, you should join my IRC network. Whenever anything related to any of my mods happens you'll almost alwyas here about it there lol
03:48 BBmine K. give me a link
03:48 octacian irc.endev.xyz, port 6697, ssl, accepts invalid certs.
03:49 octacian And, subscribed :D
03:50 BBmine I just added your mod to my server https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=14374. It will be there tonight :)
03:50 octacian OK
03:50 octacian Will check it out.
03:50 octacian Beware: there are very few recipes for working items.
03:51 octacian They will be added soon though.
03:51 BBmine In two hours and ten minutes it will be available :D
03:51 octacian I've been too busy on the power module to add them yet
03:51 BBmine anyway, bye!
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04:40 BBmine kaeza, papedLen is back at it!
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04:42 GreenDimond Any forum admin, there is a spammer/advertiser/idunnowhat named "papedLen" in the "servers" section of the forum.
04:42 GreenDimond He has currently posted on 4 server topics.
04:43 kaeza not anymore
04:43 GreenDimond Thankyou :D
04:44 kaeza !next
04:44 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
04:44 BBmine thanks!
05:06 XtremeHacker !mod next
05:06 MinetestBot XtremeHacker: Minetest NeXt by BlockMen - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13383
05:06 XtremeHacker xD
05:11 kaeza 😆
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06:45 diemartin !cat
06:45 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/DCXEhOJ.jpg
06:47 agaran diemartin: cute one :)
07:13 rdococ MEOW
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09:56 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy World Book Day! 😃 🕮
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10:05 yusf[m] Ahh… Minetest NeXt and Minetest TNG… Back when there were actual aspirations for the default game.
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11:02 strncpy !cat
11:02 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg
11:02 strncpy awh
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11:09 kaeza huh. VE, SN, and SB left, and daconcepts.com is 404
11:09 kaeza mornings
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11:57 kaeza sfan5, cat.zip: http://i.imgur.com/2akH6t0.jpg
11:57 Calinou kaeza: same here, it's down :(
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12:12 chasanoglou hi
12:12 chasanoglou what language do u speak?
12:13 Calinou chasanoglou: English here
12:13 chasanoglou hi
12:13 kaeza english, do you speak it?
12:13 chasanoglou yes i speak english
12:14 chasanoglou i need to go bye everyoneeeeeeee
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12:17 agaran kaeza: well thats just proof of 'if one cat paw will fit in box, cat will fit too'
12:19 kaeza heh
12:20 kaeza randomly searching old backups: http://i.imgur.com/DQWhbyJ.jpg | http://i.imgur.com/hcdiXtP.jpg
12:20 kaeza http://i.imgur.com/h9Mr1sp.jpg
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12:32 kaeza har, forgot I was building this: http://i.imgur.com/W81JleI.jpg
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12:43 Calinou haha, I remember this
12:44 CWz VanessaE doesn't seem to be around
12:45 CWz i think her server has died
12:45 Calinou kaeza: remake it for CS_GO, aim_mese :P
12:45 Calinou those lego maps seem to be popular, why not Minetest
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12:59 Fixer kaeza: lol, I remember this
13:02 kaeza Calinou, I started doing a mod to export a region of the map as a VHE `.map` file at that time
13:02 kaeza there's always a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1319/
13:03 kaeza if I had CS:GO I'd try to make it :P
13:07 kaeza I don't even know where I left the half-working code for that mod :(
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13:16 omar__ hi
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14:34 CWz kaeza, any idea what happened to vanessae's servers?
14:35 kaeza nope
14:37 ElectronLibre Even the IRC domains are down, so I guess it's some technical issue
14:38 * CWz fear VanessaE forgot to pay her bills
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14:56 ^7heo CWz: ot
14:56 ^7heo CWz: it's fine, Trump does it too.
14:56 ^7heo (not paying their bills)
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15:08 strncpy hi everyone
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15:24 IhrFussel Someone tell me why "newlid" is apparently nil even though "getlid" is not nil...the file in question contains a 0 without any newlines http://pastebin.com/2SvwxuXV
15:28 IhrFussel In case you wonder how I know that getlid is not nil: if getlid == nil then minetest.chat_send_all("[Server]: FATAL ERROR. CANNOT FETCH CURRENT SHOP ID.") return end
15:29 IhrFussel Doesn't fire
15:31 IhrFussel This however fires: if newlid == nil then minetest.chat_send_all("[Server]: FATAL ERROR! CANNOT SAVE SHOP.") return end
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15:32 sfan5 try putting it into a function that returns the value instead?
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15:33 IhrFussel sfan5, my question remains: How can "newlid" be nil if the getlid condition works? I mean there is only ~= nil and == nil right? If == nil doesn't work it can only be ~= nil
15:34 sfan5 i dunno
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15:34 kaeza IhrFussel, where is `newlid` nil?
15:34 kaeza maybe you are accessing it out of scope?
15:36 IhrFussel kaeza, it's inside a chat command..here's some more code http://pastebin.com/2HUq5Z6J
15:36 kaeza you are defining `newlid` as a local inside the `if` block, so it's naturally only accessible inside the block
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15:37 IhrFussel Huh? I thought a scope is always a function or script...so it even exists inside an if condition?
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15:39 kaeza IhrFussel, yes
15:39 kaeza she's here! everybody hide!
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15:40 IhrFussel SO I need to move the local newlid = nil above the if statement...understood
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15:41 kaeza IhrFussel, in short, the scope of a (local) variable begins at the `local` keyword and ends at the end of the containing block
15:41 IhrFussel kaeza, and a block ends at "end"?
15:42 kaeza well, to be pedantic, it begins *after* the `local` statement is "executed"
15:42 kaeza IhrFussel, usually, yes
15:42 Eelviny Hi there, about the API - I want to be able to capture chat messages and do my own thing with them. I can capture the message, but how do I cancel the chat message from showing in chat?
15:42 kaeza the only exception is the `repeat <code> until <condition>`
15:43 kaeza (its scope extends until the condition)
15:43 sfan5 Eelviny: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2092
15:44 Eelviny Should have spotted that one! Thanks
15:45 kaeza wb VanessaE
15:45 IhrFussel Eelviny, any client before 0.4.15-dev still has client side chat prediction enabled AFAIK and will display the own message without processing it server side
15:46 IhrFussel Thanks for the explanation kaeza, I'll try it now =)
15:46 kaeza IhrFussel, sure :)
15:49 rdococ hi
15:49 rdococ holoioi
15:50 CWz VanessaE, is okay?
15:50 rdococ vanesse
15:51 IhrFussel kaeza, it works now! But what's the best way to round the positions player:getpos() gives me again?
15:51 CWz it just a lifeless shell
15:51 kaeza IhrFussel, probably `vector.round`
15:52 CWz an alien of the race suckulitor has sucked out her innards. now she's just a shell sort of like shadinja
15:52 kaeza u wot
15:55 VanessaE all is ok
15:56 VanessaE my servers just went down due to late payment :(
15:56 VanessaE they're ok now
15:56 rdococ you mean internet bill?
15:57 strncpy VanessaE: let me guess, kimsufi?
15:57 strncpy /ovh
15:57 strncpy or one of the others
15:57 VanessaE strncpy: close - soyoustart
15:57 strncpy ah
15:57 VanessaE there used to be a 10 day "grace period"...guess not anymore
15:58 strncpy sounds like something they'd do
15:58 strncpy my provider has a grace period of a year
15:58 VanessaE I sent a ticket to request a later payment date for the future
15:58 strncpy which is nice
15:58 VanessaE thankfully all they did was null-route the server rather than shut it down
15:58 VanessaE (I haven't extensively tested my cold-start script)
15:59 strncpy http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/take-look-inside-britains-newest-9942730
15:59 strncpy oops wrong chan
16:01 kaeza you gotta hate that
16:01 kaeza hope they refund it if the servers go down even 5 secs due to their problems
16:02 kaeza still, glad to see everything's "fine" :)
16:03 rdococ you know what we need to see more of?
16:03 rdococ antiviruses that detect windows.
16:04 strncpy lol
16:05 VanessaE bbl
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17:26 chasanoglou hi everyone
17:27 chasanoglou is Plsbs on?
17:27 chasanoglou Plebs
17:28 chasanoglou does someone talk english?
17:31 chasanoglou naaaah no one tals to me
17:31 chasanoglou talks
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17:33 rdococ Yay
17:34 chasanoglou hi
17:35 strncpy what do you all use for server hosting?
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17:36 chasanoglou o im new srr i cant help
17:37 chasanoglou im trying to make a server too
17:40 chasanoglou ok bye everyone
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17:45 Roger01 hello
17:45 Roger01 why are mods written in lua and not c++?
17:46 PureTryOut[m] well for one it's easier to learn than C++, which allows more mod developers
17:46 PureTryOut[m] *allows for
17:46 Roger01 ok. just that?
17:47 PureTryOut[m] probably more reasons, but I think it's a big one
17:47 * PureTryOut[m] is not a Minetest developer
17:47 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: likelly just speed yea
17:47 rafalcpp though...
17:47 rafalcpp also security come to mind
17:48 Roger01 security?
17:48 rafalcpp yea
17:48 PureTryOut[m] I guess Lua can't fuck up as much?
17:48 rafalcpp and portability
17:48 Roger01 i don't understand this
17:48 rafalcpp though.. in C++ a plugin could run in trusted exec ... at least on non-gay operating systems that have seccomp
17:49 rafalcpp Roger01: a module in C++ would need to be compiled or be in binary format (compatibility problem)
17:49 rafalcpp and after it is loaded, it could do anything to your computer, steal passwords and waht ever
17:49 PureTryOut[m] "non-gay" lol
17:49 PureTryOut[m] and yeah portability is a good one
17:49 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: yeah like linux, has seccomp. Windows lags behind
17:49 * Roger01 is not a C++ expert
17:49 PureTryOut[m] mods do not need compiling for every target OS, just Minetest
17:49 PureTryOut[m] rafalcpp: but everyone knows Windows is shit
17:49 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: well the binary program must be built for the OS on which MT is running
17:50 rafalcpp the binary code of module
17:50 Roger01 i don't understand anything xD
17:50 PureTryOut[m] Roger01: just know this: Windows is shit
17:50 rafalcpp ways to do modules:
17:50 rafalcpp 1) provide .cpp, have user compile it, just run it
17:50 rafalcpp 1) provide binary (e.g. from cpp or any language), just run it
17:50 rafalcpp 2) provide binary (e.g. from cpp or any language), just run it
17:51 rafalcpp 3) provide binary (e.g. from cpp or any language), run it in a sand-box like seccomp or something
17:51 rafalcpp 4) lua (source code), run it
17:51 Roger01 oh i think i got it
17:51 rafalcpp 4 is slow, but portable and secure
17:51 Roger01 yeah got it
17:51 rafalcpp I hope most popularr and time-intensive mods would become part of native MT at some point
17:52 PureTryOut[m] not that slow though
17:52 PureTryOut[m] it's good enough
17:52 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: any idea how it is compared to native solution?
17:52 PureTryOut[m] well no
17:52 PureTryOut[m] but it can't be that bad
17:52 Roger01 stupid question: i would be possible to "pack" the mt engine and a subgame in a .exe file?
17:52 rafalcpp something massive, e.g. find all blocks that have same 3 blocks on top of them (scan entire chunk) and replace that with a cactus
17:53 rafalcpp I would expact above to be 10-100 times slower
17:53 rafalcpp then directly in C++ manipulating the vector/array of blocks
17:54 rafalcpp but other mods that don't do such complex operations manually on all blocks.. dunno... 2-10?
17:55 PureTryOut[m] I guess
17:55 PureTryOut[m] I'm still figuring out how to rotate a node when param2 is already used for "meshoptions" :p
17:55 Roger01 http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/1s2ps/images/5/51/Dr_w_d_gaster_by_pabloracer1-d9n5700.png/revision/latest?cb=20160730025951
17:56 Roger01 bye
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17:56 PureTryOut[m] I should really make an issue to be able to use both param1 and param2 for whatever, and not being locked to having "facedir" or "meshoptions" in 2
17:57 PureTryOut[m] rafalcpp: using LuaJIT, shouldn't Lua be comparable to native code?
17:57 PureTryOut[m] (speed-wise)
17:58 rafalcpp PureTryOut[m]: the algorithm itself, I would guess it would be. but wouldn't it be doing lots of expensive callbacks back to C++ to query the chunk array one by one
17:59 PureTryOut[m] I guess
17:59 rafalcpp if it's some silly algorithm and the 16*16*16 blocks loop runs in lua instead of in c++
17:59 rafalcpp any sane algo probably could use better 1-call callback like "find me nearest block that has such properties" (I guess)
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18:11 Thekiller916 how can i make a server?
18:12 Thekiller916 can u guys talk
18:13 mmuller Thekiller916: talking does happen here
18:13 mmuller Do you mean "build the server from source?"
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18:14 Thekiller916 how can i make a server can u say me
18:14 Thekiller916 or build like u say
18:15 mmuller From the README.txt, you should be able to specify -BBUILD_SERVER=TRUE in your "cmake" command.
18:16 Thekiller916 what
18:16 Thekiller916 ?
18:16 mmuller I want to be clear: this is building the server from source as opposed to installing or "setting up" a server
18:16 mmuller Ok, If you don't know what those words mean, you're probably asking about setting up a server :-)
18:17 Thekiller916 yes
18:17 Thekiller916 how can i do that
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18:17 mmuller have you seen this? -> http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
18:18 Thekiller916 no but ill check it now wait 5 mines
18:19 Thekiller916 im back
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20:44 IhrFussel player:set_sky() doesn't have a default option right? Like reverting back to the normal sky
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21:05 Open_Future Hi all, suddenly my server which I was able to connect to a week or so ago from other computers/devices over the internet keeps giving connection timed out.  Any ideas?  Firewall/router seems to be same setup...no changes.
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21:11 Open_Future Hi all, suddenly my server which I was able to connect to a week or so ago from other computers/devices over the internet keeps giving connection timed out.  Any ideas?  Firewall/router seems to be same setup...no changes.
21:13 mmuller Open_Future: has your external IP address maybe changed?
21:14 mmuller (though I would expect even in that case you'd be able to get to it from the server browser)
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