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lambda-11235 |
I can't seem to plant wheat seeds. Whenever I right click they are momentarily place before going back to my inventory. |
00:07 |
kaeza |
octacian, the user-visible part (i.e. HTML) does not matter. The client uses JSON at http://server.host/list |
00:08 |
octacian |
kaeza: thanks. |
00:08 |
kaeza |
make that https, of course :P |
00:09 |
octacian |
wait, so if I were to for example put the list on my own server, I couldn't just put it on servers.endev.xyz, I'd have to put it at server.endev.xyz/list? |
00:09 |
kaeza |
yes, you put the JSON list there. the web frontend can be anywhere |
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kaeza |
octacian, there's also https://github.com/minetest/master-server |
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octacian_ |
thanks. |
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00:13 |
garywhite |
Can someone tell me how old 8a7dc83 is? |
00:14 |
octacian_ |
garywhite: can't you look yourself? Look on GitHub. |
00:14 |
garywhite |
idk where commits would be |
00:14 |
octacian_ |
which repo? |
00:14 |
mootpoint |
lambda-11235 what are you trying to plant them on? |
00:15 |
garywhite |
minetest |
00:15 |
garywhite |
Wait, found it |
00:15 |
garywhite |
Have to click the # of commits at the top |
00:15 |
octacian_ |
good |
00:16 |
Fixer |
garywhite: 3 DEC 2016 i think |
00:16 |
kaeza |
also https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/$commit |
00:17 |
garywhite |
2 December, so yup |
00:17 |
kaeza |
or some git magic: https://xkcd.com/1597/ |
00:17 |
mootpoint |
kaeka: you have discovered my new favorite comic |
00:22 |
lambda-11235 |
mootpoint: Dirt next to water. |
00:22 |
mootpoint |
have you tried using a hoe on the dirt? |
00:23 |
lambda-11235 |
mootpoint: Not yet. I'll try that. |
00:23 |
mootpoint |
hit the dirt with a hoe then wait for it to turn 'wet' then plant again let me know if that helped |
00:25 |
lambda-11235 |
mootpoint: That worked. Thanks! |
00:25 |
mootpoint |
your welcome glad i could help :) |
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octacian_ |
kaeza: wait, so /list is stored in an actual file, which is just saved when things change? |
00:41 |
kaeza |
octacian_, in the default implementation, it seems `/list` just fetches `/list.json`, yes |
00:42 |
octacian_ |
ohk. |
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kaeza |
you can implement it whatever way you want I guess (i.e. fetch from DB, print a static list of servers, etc) |
00:42 |
octacian |
OK, I'll figure it out. |
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01:50 |
garywhite |
Does anyone know if it would be possible to remove someone's ability to have creative on a creative mode server? |
01:51 |
octacian |
garywhite: there is a mod that does it, I think it's called creativeswitcher. It's not very good though. |
01:52 |
garywhite |
ok |
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03:00 |
STHGOM |
is there a "creative" priv? i forget |
03:02 |
est31 |
I think so |
03:05 |
garywhite |
Yes |
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03:07 |
STHGOM |
ok |
03:07 |
STHGOM |
so, does anyone else have this problem with the "wiki" mod? |
03:07 |
STHGOM |
2016-12-14 03:03:22: ERROR[Main]: bad argument #2 to '?' (string expected, got function) |
03:08 |
STHGOM |
[C]: in function 'open' |
03:08 |
STHGOM |
| /mods/wiki/oshelpers.lua:13: in function 'mkdir' |
03:09 |
STHGOM |
the line is: local f = io.open(dir..DIR_SEP..".dummy") |
03:10 |
STHGOM |
if i understand right "DIR_SEP" is the second argument it is referring to? |
03:12 |
STHGOM |
hm |
03:13 |
STHGOM |
or is it something else? |
03:13 |
STHGOM |
shall i paste the file? |
03:16 |
STHGOM |
its a fresh install from git |
03:23 |
kaeza |
somebody actually uses wiki mod :O |
03:23 |
kaeza |
it really need updating to 0.4.14/15 |
03:24 |
STHGOM |
ok |
03:24 |
STHGOM |
its a nice mod |
03:25 |
kaeza |
STHGOM, I'm busy with other stuff right now, but will update it in the next days |
03:25 |
kaeza |
sorry :/ |
03:25 |
STHGOM |
no problem |
03:26 |
STHGOM |
no rush, so thanks a lot! |
03:26 |
kaeza |
sure :) |
03:29 |
redblade |
god i just dont get it |
03:29 |
redblade |
why do so many of these kids log on and then bitch about "the f word" |
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03:30 |
redblade |
when i was little i always wanted to say bad words and then got in trouble |
03:30 |
redblade |
why is it different now? |
03:30 |
redblade |
so many kids leave or get angry if you say a swear word |
03:31 |
redblade |
in this case, i have the jukebox mod with christmas music including a funny punk rock song "merry stupid fucking christmas" |
03:31 |
redblade |
and then there's my light-up whorehouse with vaporwave music |
03:31 |
redblade |
but i've never heard of kids being so offended by swear words |
03:32 |
redblade |
parents are supposed to be offended and get angry with the kids, aren't they? |
03:32 |
redblade |
what has changed |
03:32 |
nm0i__ |
Let's play a game. |
03:32 |
nm0i__ |
"why do so many of these kids log on and..." |
03:32 |
redblade |
and do any other server owners have problems with kids upset with swear words? |
03:32 |
nm0i__ |
Yes |
03:33 |
redblade |
then it isnt just me |
03:33 |
redblade |
what is wrong with kids today? |
03:33 |
redblade |
(i dont know if the person with regard to the christmas song was a kid but a lot of kids do get offended when someone swears) |
03:34 |
nm0i__ |
Some of them upset people use "Hell". |
03:34 |
redblade |
wow |
03:34 |
redblade |
i was allowed to say that |
03:34 |
nm0i__ |
say I few times made wold announcment that satanism is allowed. |
03:34 |
nm0i__ |
Lost few regular kids. |
03:34 |
ReadySetWait |
redblade how old are you? |
03:34 |
redblade |
32 |
03:34 |
ReadySetWait |
don't lie |
03:34 |
redblade |
and i have a sick sense of humor |
03:34 |
redblade |
and am bipolar |
03:35 |
redblade |
all i ask is that people dont annoy each other, as in trolling or pissing people off |
03:35 |
redblade |
but that has nothing to do with mentioning a punk rock song with a swear word in the name |
03:36 |
redblade |
i asked my brother in law, he's a teacher and former principal, and he said that being bothered by swear words is indicative of problems in the home |
03:36 |
redblade |
but it can't be so many people |
03:37 |
redblade |
there is also a south park song on the christmas disc |
03:37 |
redblade |
here is the song in question |
03:37 |
redblade |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb2IF_sjE9w |
03:37 |
redblade |
it's funny |
03:40 |
nm0i__ |
Put "[21+] Erotic roleplay server" into server_name, that will cure your problems. |
03:41 |
sofar |
I'd play on a server like that in a heartbeat |
03:41 |
redblade |
wtf? |
03:41 |
sofar |
just knowing there's no 5yr olds around? priceless |
03:41 |
redblade |
i'm not going to be responsible for something like that |
03:41 |
redblade |
nor am i interested |
03:42 |
redblade |
look, i dont care if kids leave because they dont like bad language or sick humor |
03:42 |
STHGOM |
as if putting [21+] would put off kids :P |
03:43 |
redblade |
i just think it's strange |
03:43 |
redblade |
but yes there are juvenile things like a light-up "FUCK" someone built |
03:43 |
redblade |
and i mentioned my mesecons strip club |
03:43 |
sofar |
well there are appropriate amounts of bad language |
03:43 |
sofar |
and then there is too much |
03:43 |
sofar |
everything is good in moderation |
03:44 |
sofar |
yelling fuck once in a while helps |
03:44 |
sofar |
yelling it every 5 minutes? not |
03:44 |
redblade |
i dont care, as long as it's not "fuck you", teleporting to you, and dropping a travelnet while you're building |
03:45 |
redblade |
in fact there was a user like that who i wound up having to ban all of sao paolo via iptables to get rid of him |
03:45 |
sofar |
typical generation X (that's a joke) |
03:46 |
redblade |
well i'm gen y but i'm one of the older gen y, born 1984 |
03:47 |
redblade |
i think gen y starts in 1981 |
03:47 |
nm0i__ |
You're so special you don't belong to any generation. |
03:48 |
sofar |
he's redblade, period |
03:48 |
redblade |
lol nm0i__ |
03:48 |
sofar |
she? |
03:48 |
redblade |
he |
03:48 |
sofar |
maybe I offended them by using he/she |
03:48 |
* sofar |
giggles |
03:48 |
redblade |
absolutely not |
03:48 |
sofar |
I hear some crazy stuff from kids coming out of college nowadays though |
03:49 |
sofar |
"everyone is butthurt" |
03:49 |
sofar |
anal sex must be a new hype or something, or they don't know about lube |
03:49 |
redblade |
on my twitter page summary, i have "political correctness is terrorism" |
03:49 |
sofar |
I prefer factual correctness over political correctness |
03:50 |
sofar |
but hey, I'm a socialist |
03:50 |
redblade |
if you want to know more about my politics check out http://twitter.com/thebleakfire |
03:50 |
redblade |
https |
03:50 |
redblade |
but regardless |
03:50 |
est31 |
one of the things i dont like about the rust community is that they have this "code of conduct" bs |
03:51 |
est31 |
it only allows people with feminist and sjw world views to join |
03:51 |
sofar |
I refuse to set a CoC for my OSS projects |
03:51 |
redblade |
i didnt like trump either, and viewed hillary as a lesser evil, but when she lost, i was upset for a few days, but i sucked it up right away |
03:51 |
redblade |
i'm not one of the politically correct whiners |
03:52 |
sofar |
https://plus.google.com/u/1/+AukeKok/posts/PJpYYnQtQWV?sfc=true |
03:52 |
redblade |
and again i view political correctness as a form of terrorism |
03:52 |
est31 |
one of the things i think its funny is now all the hillary supporters chant how the elections got hacked by the russians |
03:52 |
sofar |
est31: there's a different side to that story as well |
03:52 |
redblade |
since you're using fear and intimidation to get people to act according to liberalism (as one would radical islam) |
03:52 |
nm0i__ |
I'm alien invader and I eat babies. |
03:52 |
est31 |
but when trump said the elections were rigged it was called "conspiracy theory" |
03:52 |
redblade |
you know what? |
03:52 |
redblade |
the election made perfect sense. |
03:52 |
sofar |
I'd use the word "influenced" and that's certainly correct |
03:53 |
redblade |
hillary wins the popular vote due to the cities |
03:53 |
sofar |
and the dem party was targeted for sure |
03:53 |
sofar |
wait, where are trumps tax returns? |
03:53 |
est31 |
trump didnt pay any taxes, he even admitted it |
03:53 |
redblade |
trump's message appealed to the rural areas which want the outsourced jobs back |
03:53 |
est31 |
or sort of |
03:53 |
redblade |
that gets trump the electoral college |
03:53 |
redblade |
and the presidency |
03:54 |
redblade |
and so far recounts have proved it |
03:54 |
est31 |
its just a sad story that the corrupt democrat establishment was so sure of winning, they elected hillary as nominee |
03:54 |
sofar |
oh BTW, the democratic party cheated republicans by getting them to enact the electoral vote system in an attempt to gain more influence in the presidency |
03:54 |
sofar |
that's a historical fact |
03:54 |
redblade |
now i know trump is about to destroy freedom of the press |
03:54 |
est31 |
if sanders were nominee, he'd have won |
03:54 |
est31 |
redblade: sjws want to destroy freedom of the press as well |
03:54 |
redblade |
and i dont agree with "america first" especialyl to his extremes |
03:54 |
redblade |
i know |
03:54 |
nm0i__ |
Ok, you all got boring again. |
03:54 |
est31 |
everything that is "fake" or "offensive" in their eyes should be banned |
03:55 |
redblade |
see what i said above as to why political correctness is terrorism |
03:55 |
* nm0i__ |
returns to home planet |
03:55 |
redblade |
sjws are terrorists |
03:55 |
est31 |
sjws dont kill people, but I dont like how they enforce their world views upon everyone |
03:55 |
redblade |
i was rand paul and then ted cruz, then hillary clinton |
03:56 |
sofar |
eh, the FBI has for long determined that the largest source of terrorism in the USA is southern white males |
03:56 |
redblade |
est31: terrorists dont always follow through on their threats |
03:56 |
redblade |
it's the same thing, less the violence |
03:56 |
est31 |
and how they ask for tolerance towards people who are different (like gay or trans people) on one hand and are totally intolerant on the other hand if you disagree with them |
03:56 |
sofar |
and there's plenty of those more now |
03:56 |
est31 |
I mean, yes you should tolerate gay people and trans people, thats what a free society is about |
03:57 |
est31 |
but you should also tolerate different opinions |
03:57 |
redblade |
well, back to what we were talking about, these minetest players would probably be considered gen z, not gen y |
03:57 |
sofar |
gen -A |
03:57 |
sofar |
alphabet overflow :) |
03:58 |
redblade |
and thank you for telling me this is a problem with them |
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redblade |
because i've found it very strange |
03:58 |
sofar |
I'd like to recall a story from my geology classes |
03:58 |
sofar |
one of the first classes |
03:59 |
redblade |
now seeing a light-up "FUCK" is funny for a few minutes. but if i was these kids age i would be laughing hysterically, not getting upset |
03:59 |
sofar |
teacher comes out, starts talking about how the earth is 4.5bln years old |
03:59 |
sofar |
and if you don't believe that, you should probably switch to another field of study |
03:59 |
sofar |
and even then, in 1996, they had people who had left |
03:59 |
sofar |
since they just could not accept that |
03:59 |
redblade |
wow |
04:00 |
est31 |
wow |
04:00 |
redblade |
i dont think we ever even discussed that as a possibility |
04:00 |
est31 |
sofar: you went to school in holland, right? |
04:00 |
redblade |
how old were you? |
04:00 |
sofar |
nobody left in my year |
04:00 |
redblade |
i was 12 in 1996 |
04:00 |
sofar |
but it happened a few years before |
04:00 |
sofar |
redblade: university, so early 20s |
04:00 |
redblade |
oh you mean an elective |
04:00 |
redblade |
oh ok |
04:00 |
sofar |
est31: yes, Free University of Amsterdam |
04:00 |
redblade |
i thought you were talking about kids leaving the room |
04:01 |
redblade |
i thought literal creationism only had a real presence in the us? |
04:01 |
sofar |
left the entire faculty, one person did |
04:01 |
sofar |
you can't study geology if you fail to accept basic science |
04:01 |
est31 |
sofar: so you say there were creationists in holland 20 years ago? wow, thought this problem would only affect the USA |
04:01 |
sofar |
you can't be a doctor if you think vaccines cause autism |
04:02 |
sofar |
est31: most likely, conservative religious |
04:02 |
sofar |
est31: not necessarily creationism, which didn't really exist back then |
04:02 |
sofar |
but, try and teach someone C14 dating methods |
04:02 |
sofar |
C14 has a half life of 4900 years or so |
04:03 |
sofar |
here we see an organic sample that has 1/16 of the normal C14 |
04:03 |
sofar |
conclusion: it's 20k years old |
04:04 |
sofar |
you can't deny global warming and at the same time poor thousands of dollars into coal exploration by hiring top geologists to find coal seams |
04:04 |
sofar |
but the Koch brothers do just that |
04:04 |
sofar |
no wonder respectable scientists aren't working with them anymore |
04:04 |
sofar |
etc. |
04:04 |
sofar |
but hey, I'm just ranting to mostly open minded people |
04:04 |
est31 |
I guess money corrupts everyone |
04:05 |
sofar |
there's no redneck kids from alabama charter schools that get fed creationism here |
04:05 |
sofar |
apres moi le deluge |
04:05 |
redblade |
bbl |
04:06 |
sofar |
they're playing minetest though, on the non-21+ erotic RP servers :D |
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redblade |
i'm going to bed, goodnight |
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daspork |
young earth creationism crap is also big in asia FWIW |
05:52 |
daspork |
i cant even do South Korea justice.... you should just look it up. The earth is 6000 years old, and Jesus hung out in Korea and japan... |
05:53 |
daspork |
I love living in asia but its like a dumping ground for various cults who have been exposed in the west |
05:53 |
daspork |
for something on topic, the lua API got a lot better since i last used it |
05:53 |
daspork |
having a bunch of fun with i |
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daspork |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Cavegen: Wider tunnels in mgflat, mgfractal, mgvalleys f840839 https://git.io/v11xh (2016-12-14T06:28:45Z) |
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IhrFussel |
Can someone explain to me what the \b character does inside a formspec? Like one mod has an image and after it \n\n\b\b\b\b then a number...now if i remove the \b's will the number go to the right? |
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tverrbjelke_ |
how can I find the "jump" feature of mobs in minetest... - look at line 41 https://github.com/Calinou/carbone_mobs/blob/master/api.lua and compare that to the wiki description of minetest.register_entity() http://dev.minetest.net/register_entity I don't see any "jump" entry... and it is incomplete. WHERE can I find the correct implementation spec of that function? |
09:24 |
Calinou |
tverrbjelke_: "jump" is not a built-in register_entity property |
09:25 |
tverrbjelke_ |
hm. But the mobs DO jump. |
09:25 |
tverrbjelke_ |
And in the mod I cannot see "jump" implemented by themyselves. WHERE is that done? |
09:25 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Calinou: I am surprised you are so fast responding! :-D |
09:26 |
tverrbjelke_ |
actually I would like to dive a bit deeper in to the codebase... |
09:26 |
Calinou |
look for velocity-setting functions, search for "velocity" |
09:27 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Calinou: yesterday you said you test the mods by "running minetest". I then read that people are installing eclipse IDE and add lua plugin, and can debug / singlestep that way their code. Is that your workflow?= |
09:27 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Ah. So jumping is done by "increase vel upward a bit? |
09:28 |
Calinou |
I never do that, problem with IDEs is that they don't recognize Minetest workflow and API |
09:28 |
Calinou |
tverrbjelke_: it's done by setting or increasing Y velocity, yes |
09:28 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Ah. That is done inside mod? |
09:29 |
tverrbjelke_ |
So mod adds "jump" field on registering, and then does the velocity stuff based on jump==true/false ? |
09:30 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Calinou: So I understand you simply change mod-source and open world in minetest using that mod, and SEE what happens? |
09:30 |
Calinou |
yes |
09:30 |
Calinou |
game modding has pretty much always been "trial and error" |
09:30 |
tverrbjelke_ |
minetest.log preferred over print? |
09:30 |
Calinou |
tverrbjelke_: also yes, if jump is set to false it won't attempt jumping |
09:30 |
Calinou |
print() is OK for debugging |
09:31 |
tverrbjelke_ |
Where cvould I find teh implementation of the regiostering function (c++ side)? |
09:31 |
Calinou |
register_entity? |
09:31 |
tverrbjelke_ |
(I hope to better understand the stuff...) |
09:31 |
tverrbjelke_ |
yes |
09:31 |
Calinou |
just grep through the whole source code |
09:32 |
Calinou |
btw, if you want faster grepping, https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep |
09:32 |
tverrbjelke_ |
if even the wiki states "incomplete page" I would look into original... c++ code? |
09:33 |
tverrbjelke_ |
(wow, some unix command variant of grep? thx) |
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tverrbjelke_ |
so I simply clone minetest stable and grep for register_entity? |
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Calinou |
it's a Rust implementation of a grep program, completely independent and cross-platform |
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Calinou |
yes |
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tverrbjelke_ |
to the eclipse /debugging thing... I *could* try that? Or is operpowered gun for that simple tasks? |
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tverrbjelke_ |
(I am new to lua and would like to confirm things... e.g. via unit-testing - but that seems even larger gun... wonder how you do coding on minetest |
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tverrbjelke_ |
ok so http://dev.minetest.net/LuaEntitySAO defines some methods on velocity. Now I countercheck the code of carbone_mobs |
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tverrbjelke_ |
- and THERE jumping is done, right? |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Monkey Day! 🙈 🙉 🙊 |
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tverrbjelke_ |
what is the difference betweeen self.xyz and self.objec.xyz? |
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tverrbjelke_ |
I mean comparing this lines |
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self.object:getvelocity() |
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if self.drawtype == "side" then |
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tverrbjelke_: Minetest coding is like most game modding, it doesn't use traditional tooling |
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Calinou |
unit tests are surely overkill for a mod |
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Calinou |
tverrbjelke_: jumping is done in Lua, yes |
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set_velocity = function(self, v) |
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tverrbjelke_ |
-- todo: where is drawtype = "side" and its corrections coming from? |
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local yaw = self.object:getyaw() |
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if self.drawtype == "side" then |
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yaw = yaw+(math.pi/2) |
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end |
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closest thing i foind was "If you want to use your mobs with mobf as well, rotate your model by 270 degrees. Else it'll move sideways." from https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11434 |
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minitest |
hi wsup |
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minitest |
anyone knows a good roleplay mob or something with adventure content? |
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Does the engine support .jpg textures? I have an image that I want to display on login, but it's 500 KB as JPG so I think it will be even larger when i convert it to PNG |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, so JPG is supported just not recommended? |
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sfan5 |
you're better off using png for everything |
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sfan5 |
but jpg is supported in every irrlicht version |
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IhrFussel |
Well I agree when it's about actual textures cause those need to keep their details...my picture is just a 2D login image so it doesn't matter I think |
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sfan5, another question: Will the engine scale the images shown via image formspec automatically? |
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dunno |
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I hope so cause you can't tell the engine to use px AFAIK |
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[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix build with gettext enabled 0614da3 https://git.io/v1D8z (2016-12-14T18:52:33Z) |
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whitephoenix |
reminder that testjam starts this saturday https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15999&p=242126#p242126 |
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hi |
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hi |
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Volkj |
hi, compiling minetest i noticed it complained about the missing of spatialindex, what does that do? |
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sfan5 |
speed some unimportant stuff up |
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Volkj |
nothing that can make a day/night difference so, installing the lib and recompiling - also, seems i get more stable fps using clang than gcc (30 fps vs 25~30), maybe related to my pc conf |
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sfan5 |
clang vs gcc performance is like directx vs opengl on windows |
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sfan5 |
sometimes it's better, sometimes it isn't |
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Volkj |
got it |
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