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kruug |
So, there is `minetest.get_pointed_thing_position`. How would one trigger that if you wanted it to get that "thing" on pointed change? |
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Hijiri |
kruug: what do you mean by thing |
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Hijiri |
a pointed_thing ? |
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Hijiri |
there is no way to be notified when what the player is pointing at changes |
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Hijiri |
unless you manually check every step (and even then it might miss things between steps) |
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Hijiri |
get_pointed_thing_position takes a pointed_thing as input and gives the position |
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Hijiri |
it doesn't tell you what a player is pointing at |
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Megaf |
so, today I woke 5:21 AM, it's 06:33 |
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Megaf |
No special reason, I just woke up |
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Megaf |
so, good morning! |
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Chinchou |
My condolences. |
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Chinchou |
Being 05:32, I'll need to sleep soon... |
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Megaf |
I'm just enjoying some coffee right now, after eating two toasts with butter :) Bread that I baked myself |
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Megaf |
Good Morning CWz namach duckbrain_ |
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CWz |
Mornings |
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Megaf |
well, good evening to you duckbrain_ |
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duckbrain_ |
Good evening. |
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Megaf |
CWz: in what country are you at? |
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Megaf |
duckbrain_: 06:54 here, quite a difference from your timezone :) |
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duckbrain_ |
Yes. I won't be on for very long. I need to get some sleep. |
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duckbrain_ |
Well, have a great day. I'm off. |
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namach |
Morning Megaf :) |
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namach |
do we know each other? |
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Megaf |
namach: not really :) We are just two Minetest guys |
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namach |
cool :) i thought my mind was playing tricks on me :) |
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IhrFussel |
I'm logging the chat messages of my players in a file...is there a way to delay the inserting into the file in case of server lags? Cause right now when the server hangs it will buffer all messages and insert them at once a few secs later |
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IhrFussel |
And I have an external bot running that listens to that log file and executes commands it finds per line...problem is when the server lags it puts multiple messages in log and inotifywait+tail -n 1 (which the bot uses) executes only the last line |
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Megaf |
IhrFussel: prevent the server from hanging :) |
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| 06:48 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, I'm already trying to reduce lags by deleting "bugged" mapblocks with lots of meta even though they are only air or default nodes, but it takes so long to go through all those mapblocks and note their position |
| 06:48 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: do the lag happen at fixed intervals? |
| 06:49 |
Megaf |
server will often "hang" when saving the map to disk, reducing the save to disk interval might significantly reduce these hangs |
| 06:49 |
IhrFussel |
Nope, completely random...the more players the more lags happen but it only started in July |
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Megaf |
server_map_save_interval = 3 on my server |
| 06:50 |
Megaf |
also try full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building = 60 and dedicated_server_step = 0.2 |
| 06:51 |
IhrFussel |
I'm already to the point where it must be the DB...and compressing/uncompressing blocks with tons of meta can hang the server someone told me, so I imagine it happens cause several players reach blocks with that much meta and everything hangs |
| 06:51 |
Hijiri |
maybe the solution is to handle writes of multiple lines? |
| 06:52 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: I don't think so. My server is 4 years old and had been very active in the past. We don't have such issues, not that I'm aware of at least |
| 06:52 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, does your server have homedecor, itemframes, shop nodes and pedestals? |
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Chinchou |
IhrFussel, my first thought would be to look at ways to make the bot handle multiple lines. |
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Megaf |
well, we have homedecor and maybe itemframes, we have currency and some kind of shop yes, and pedestals? Is that from homedecor? |
| 06:53 |
Megaf |
Hijiri: Chinchou: Making the bot handle multiple lines is not a fix to the issue, it's a workaround |
| 06:54 |
Hijiri |
a fix to what issue, that minetest doesn't guarantee writing one line at a time? |
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Hijiri |
why is minetest even the place to do that? |
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Megaf |
the issue is something that makes the server hang |
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IhrFussel |
Hijiri and Chinchou, thanks for your input I'll see how to realize that |
| 06:54 |
Hijiri |
oh, I forgot the context |
| 06:54 |
Hijiri |
they're both issues though |
| 06:55 |
Hijiri |
IhrFussel's bot should handle multiple lines anyway since servers can still have lag spikes for whatever reason |
| 06:55 |
Megaf |
I agree with that |
| 06:56 |
IhrFussel |
Megaf, I imagine your server has more performance...I can only tell there are LOTS of cities on my server..big cities with lots of houses, lots of other buildings and thus lots of furniture/shops/itemframes etc |
| 06:57 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: my server is pretty slow, it's a single core and usually it's running with 512MB of RAM or less |
| 06:57 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: but we do clean abandoned houses and villages yes |
| 06:57 |
IhrFussel |
It mainly hangs after a player teleports to one big city...30-60 secs later the server hangs for a moment |
| 06:57 |
Megaf |
and run worldedit to clean objects and replace objects |
| 06:58 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: that sounds like disk performance issues |
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Megaf |
IhrFussel: reduce max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client |
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Megaf |
to something like 4 |
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Megaf |
max_block_send_distance = to something around 4 or 5 |
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IhrFussel |
4? I thought 40 wasn't much |
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Hijiri |
a block is 16x16x16 |
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Hijiri |
so 40 would be sending nodes in a 40 * 16 radius |
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Megaf |
it will only saturate players with slow network and use all your bandwidth |
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Hijiri |
640? |
| 07:00 |
Hijiri |
if it's really at 40 that is probably the cause of your lag though |
| 07:00 |
Megaf |
also, set both active block range related lines to 1 |
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IhrFussel |
No I mean total sends is 40, per client it's 2 |
| 07:00 |
Hijiri |
oh, I thought you meant max_block_send_distance |
| 07:00 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: read again, carefully, what I wrote |
| 07:01 |
Megaf |
Hijiri: you got what I wrote right |
| 07:01 |
IhrFussel |
max send distance is 2, active block range is 1, server step is 0.6 |
| 07:01 |
Hijiri |
well, I read it right, but I meant that I thought Ihr was on the same page |
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IhrFussel |
Still lags |
| 07:02 |
IhrFussel |
Can it really be a disk issue? The v server has SSD |
| 07:03 |
Megaf |
sometimes I think about publishing my server's configuration so other people can optimize their server, but man, it took me a lot of reading and testing to get to this sweet spot. |
| 07:03 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: is it a VPS? |
| 07:04 |
IhrFussel |
In Germany we say V Server...a root server you share with other users |
| 07:04 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: anyway, you can use iotop to read the IO, and top to see if you have a high IO Wait on the CPUs when the server is hanging |
| 07:05 |
IhrFussel |
I already watched iotop weeks ago...it goes max 2MB/sec ... shouldn't be a problem |
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Hijiri |
this v server? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-VServer |
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Megaf |
they are much cheaper then Linode https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/vps.php |
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Megaf |
Hijiri: https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/ |
| 07:07 |
Megaf |
there you have root server |
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IhrFussel |
Mine is at Strato one sec |
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IhrFussel |
https://www.strato.de/linux-vserver/ level 1 |
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IhrFussel |
Oh they renamed it to v20 |
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Hijiri |
does a vCore have a guaranteed amount of performance? |
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IhrFussel |
No, but the lags are definitely caused by the minetest process since only the Server thread goes up to 50% when a lag happens |
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Megaf |
IhrFussel: what db backend are you using? LevelDB or SQLite? |
| 07:12 |
IhrFussel |
SQlite |
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IhrFussel |
Hijiri, what's the best way to parse multiple lines with the bot? Send each processed line to a file and compare every new line to the lines in that file? |
| 07:18 |
Hijiri |
there must be some bash-fu you can put between inotify and your bot that will split the line into separate things |
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Hijiri |
I don't know a lot of bash though |
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Hijiri |
It just seems like something that should be possible |
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Megaf |
[08:06:46] <Hijiri> this v server? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-VServer |
| 07:19 |
Megaf |
it seems like they are using VServer yes |
| 07:19 |
Megaf |
because of this https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/vergleich-linux-vserver-kvm.php |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, yeah on the Strato page at the bottom it mentions "VPS" but the common way to call them here is V Server |
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Megaf |
IhrFussel: how large is you map.sqlite by the way? Just for curiosity |
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Hijiri |
VPS is different from VServer, from what I'm reading |
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Hijiri |
VServer virtualizes some parts of the system with jails or something, while VPS virtualizes everything |
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Megaf |
Hijiri: if it uses, Virtuozzo, OpenVZ, KVM, Xen, VirtualBox, VMWare, Hyper-V or anything that is not real hardware, it's a VPS ;) |
| 07:21 |
Megaf |
then we have different types of VPSes |
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IhrFussel |
Yeah disk space and RAM are guaranteed |
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IhrFussel |
Only CPU is virtualized AFAIK |
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Hijiri |
ok |
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Hijiri |
I guess my view of VPS was too narrow |
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MinetestBot |
[git] raymoo -> minetest/minetest: Fix missing parameters in some mentions of entity callbacks (#4509) 321f50f https://git.io/viEuF (2016-09-12T03:21:23-04:00) |
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Megaf |
oh, there's LXC too, that's the default one now a days, built in the Linux kernel |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, Strato uses Virtuozzo |
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Megaf |
virtuozzo is very generic, since it supports either full virtualization and os level virtualization |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, but how does it work to "dedicate" 2 vcores to someone? Cause someone told me user users on the machine could still access MY cores |
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IhrFussel |
other users* |
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Megaf |
well, it depends on how the company configured that |
| 07:29 |
Megaf |
for example, on a quad core CPU, if you run 4 VPS you can give each 100% of each CPU |
| 07:29 |
Megaf |
then nobody will get the CPU power from anybody |
| 07:30 |
Megaf |
but if we give 100% for two cores to each VPS, then if two VPSes use 100% of the resources, the load will be shared, yes |
| 07:31 |
Megaf |
I have a VPS thing myself, it's a one core host and I'm running 8 VPSes there. each can access 100% of this core |
| 07:31 |
Megaf |
if two VPSes want to access 100%, the other will not have the 100% for themselves |
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Megaf |
but in my case, I can assign different "weights" for each VPS, priorities |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, hm /proc/cpuinfo tells me 10 cores |
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Megaf |
they sold you two, so I suppose you can use 100% of two cores |
| 07:33 |
Megaf |
so maybe theres 5 VPSes hosted in this server |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, so others shouldn't be able to access my cores? |
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IhrFussel |
I guess I could only find out with a call but who knows if they will tell the truth..they could also lie |
| 07:35 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: I'm sure your German is better than mine https://www.strato.de/linux-vserver/ |
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Megaf |
click on the CPU information thing |
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MinetestBot |
[git] raymoo -> minetest/minetest: fix missing parameters in some mentions of entity callbacks af4b63f https://git.io/viEzh (2016-09-12T03:35:28-04:00) |
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Calinou |
IhrFussel: if you want a high-performance game server -> dedicated |
| 07:36 |
Calinou |
that's the only way |
| 07:36 |
Calinou |
the ideal would be a home server, since you can have a CPU with actually good single-core performance |
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Calinou |
unlike most server CPUs which are old and lowly clocked |
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Hijiri |
then bandwidth becomes the limit for most people |
| 07:37 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: not if you have fiber or cable :) |
| 07:37 |
Calinou |
game servers usually don't need tons of bandwidth anyway |
| 07:37 |
Calinou |
10 Mb/s upload should be plenty for a large Minetest server |
| 07:37 |
Hijiri |
in the US at least asymmetrical plans are common for cable |
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Hijiri |
fiber not, but I would guess most people don't have access to fiber |
| 07:38 |
Hijiri |
unless you get a commercial plan cable |
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Calinou |
I don't have fiber here anyway |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, it says "The amount of Vcores is the amount of threads of the physical server you can use" |
| 07:38 |
Hijiri |
I would use my home server over a VPS anyway, since expensive mods will probably be more expensive on CPU than on bandwidth |
| 07:39 |
Hijiri |
unless it's a writable books mod that allows players to enter arbitrary amounts of text |
| 07:39 |
Hijiri |
then you can put such a book in a chest and lag people out who are near it |
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Megaf |
IhrFussel: sounds like you have two cores just for yourself |
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Calinou |
sadly, some people like always using 100% of their vCores |
| 07:40 |
Calinou |
which will eventually get their processes shut down, but it can take time for admins to notice |
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Hijiri |
I wonder if anyone offers the service of writing formspec code |
| 07:43 |
Hijiri |
it's usually the part that makes me not want to write a mod |
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Megaf |
Calinou: so this CPU I believe can run MT server very well http://ark.intel.com/products/34692 |
| 07:58 |
Megaf |
wow, nevermind, still very expensive CPU |
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IhrFussel |
Tried to call Strato but takes too long..will try later again |
| 08:04 |
Megaf |
you have to pay for support in strato |
| 08:05 |
Megaf |
support and community are two of the reasons I use Linode :) |
| 08:05 |
Megaf |
by the way http://www.independent.ie/world-news/dolphins-talk-like-we-do-say-scientists-who-recorded-them-35040757.html |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, no, only 24 hours support costs money |
| 08:05 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 08:05 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Dolphins 'talk' like we do, say scientists who recorded them - Independent.ie |
| 08:06 |
Megaf |
I wish they would publish their sources, I'm sure it wasn't a reporter from them that went to the place and talked to the scientists |
| 08:07 |
Megaf |
That's better http://lazywap.in/dolphins-recorded-conversation-just-like-two-people-first-time/ |
| 08:07 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 08:07 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Dolphins recorded having a conversation 'just like two people' for first time | Lazywap |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, sadly very few people care about sources...In gaming topics for example fans already believe a rumor when it says "Source: Anonymous" lol |
| 08:08 |
Megaf |
I will never forget when once I published an april fools joke on my blog. Lots of people took as something real |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, was it on April 1? Cause some YouTubers did April Fools jokes a few days later and the people believed it |
| 08:10 |
Megaf |
yep, it was |
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IhrFussel |
Then they were pretty naive |
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Megaf |
well, I found the source IhrFussel http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240572231630117 |
| 08:22 |
Megaf |
because this site published it https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32591469/scientists-record-two-dolphins-talking-and-listening-to-each-other/#page1 |
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IhrFussel |
Megaf, great find =) Btw i vacuum'd my DB earlier: old size 2617 MB, new 2464 MB |
| 08:26 |
Megaf |
heh, at least you had a larger reduction then I had |
| 08:27 |
Megaf |
but I had vacuum it a couple of times already |
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IhrFussel |
Probably cause I deleted over 1000 mapblocks yesterday |
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Buttatoes |
I'm looking for a new minetest server, I was playing on Arsdragonflys but his server has been down for days. I think it's time to move on. does anyone know of a good landrush server? |
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Megaf |
oh, does it has to be landrush? |
| 08:45 |
Megaf |
Buttatoes: I know a very stable server that have been running for 4 years |
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Buttatoes |
do you have plans on shutting it down soon? |
| 08:49 |
Buttatoes |
Megaf: I kid, what is it I'd be happy to check it out |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms |
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Megaf |
Buttatoes: there |
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Megaf |
I'm online there right now |
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Buttatoes |
Thanks Magaf, I'm going to finish an unprotected farm on Calinou 's server first |
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Calinou |
Buttatoes: does my server look messier than the average Doom 2 map yet? |
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Calinou |
didn't log in for a while :p |
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Buttatoes |
Calinou: just outside of spawn, yes :D |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, /status gets logged now so no need to tell me the lag anymore =) |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, and I removed the craft_guide mod and added an ABM to turn any craft_guide signs into air |
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XeonSquared |
Is there information for writing something using digilines? |
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XeonSquared |
Welp, guess I'm just gonna have to go in blind and hope I can make something happen. |
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DuCake |
..... minetest.net went offline ....? |
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Fixer |
IhrFussel: use craft_guide by jp |
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XeonSquared |
I'm gonna document my findings somewhere once I figure out how to digilines |
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Fixer, I have unified_inventory, it contains a craft guide AFAIK |
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kruug |
Hijiri: right, pointed_thing returns coordinates, and get_node takes in those coordinates. |
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kruug |
Now, I could just have it check "pointed_thing" every "tick"... |
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kruug |
that's roughly 1/20th of a second, correct? |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: good, |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: still now there is 13.x lag.. |
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Megaf |
Hi all, if you like cars, I mean, really like cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wFuuAfYdnw |
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Megaf |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: 2017 Fiat 124 Spider: Is the Fiata as good as the Miata? - Ignition Ep. 160 - YouTube |
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Megaf |
And that presenter is just great |
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Megaf |
[11:21:32] <Calinou> Buttatoes: does my server look messier than the average Doom 2 map yet? |
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Megaf |
lol |
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Megaf |
This is one of the things I'm proud of my server, organized |
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Megaf |
very |
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Megaf |
we have villages, towns, neighborhoods, roads and streets. Tunnels, bridges and water ways connecting things |
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Megaf |
And I'm building an oceanic road too |
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nm0i |
Hi |
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Megaf |
Hi nm0i |
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nm0i |
My server is paragon of disorganization. |
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Megaf |
!server paragon |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
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Megaf |
heh, could be a could name |
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Megaf |
!server nm0i |
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Megaf: No results |
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Megaf |
nm0i: how is it called? |
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nm0i |
!server Light |
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nm0i: Light creative | 178.79.185.175:30005 | Clients: 7/18, 7/18 | Version: 0.4.14 / stabilizer | Ping: 7ms |
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Megaf |
ph, creative servers are messy yes |
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Megaf |
s//ph/oh |
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nm0i |
Nah, if you use banhammer freequently. |
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Megaf |
what does it do? |
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nm0i |
Band people that build ugly flying platforms :3 |
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Megaf |
lol |
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nm0i |
s/and/ans/ |
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Megaf |
well, gotta go, cya later |
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IhrFussel |
Wait you BAN players that build not very creative or something else than you have in mind for your creative server? That's power abuse IMO |
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IhrFussel |
You could take away their creative priv or interact but locking them out of your entire server for "bad" building is a bit extreme |
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IhrFussel |
Good/bad buildings is nothing objective...it's completely subjective just as pretty/ugly |
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aix |
i think wed agree dirt huts are definitely ugly |
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IhrFussel |
aix, no I've already seen nice dirt buildings...of course it was no simple dirt box |
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kruug |
aix: sometimes you just need a hut to spend the night |
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aix |
spend the night? |
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aix |
we dont have monsters |
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deva |
Is there a callback for left click activation? |
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IhrFussel |
On my server I rarely ban and if I/moderators ban it's for 6 hours...I'm using another "trick" to get most players to build creative houses/buildings: Any player that built something nice gets fly priv |
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deva |
I looked at the source for doors and signs but could find the code in any of the places... |
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IhrFussel |
deva, leftclick is on_punch I think |
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IhrFussel |
Rightclick could be on_use but not sure |
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deva |
I can't make on_use work... perhaps I'm missing an attriute to make it active? |
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deva |
But you're right... I remembered incorrectly. I would like to catch *left click* :-) |
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IhrFussel |
deva, lua_api.txt says there is on_rightclick too |
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deva |
IhrFussel, That seem to work |
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deva |
Thanks :-) |
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Krock: Sep-12 13:03 UTC <Jordach> Audacity has plenty of use |
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Rasmez_ |
Hi everybody :D |
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Krock |
hi ... you. |
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Rasmez_ |
I'm sorta new here btw |
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Krock |
Welcome, new. I'm Krock. |
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Rasmez_ |
Hi Krock, nice to read you :D |
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Krock |
:P |
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Rasmez_ |
do you know something about developing subgames in Minetest, Krock? |
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Krock |
well, what would you like to do? create a new one or contribute to an existing? |
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Krock |
I know how to Git, so the hardest part is done |
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Rasmez_ |
Create a new one, basically from the ground up |
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Rasmez_ |
100% my code, at least in early versions |
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Rasmez_ |
i'm also doing the textures and models |
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Krock |
then keep a look at the minetest_game structure and the description in the minetest wiki. It is useful to start with a new one when you already understood how modpacks work |
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Krock |
*understand |
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Krock |
prepare the subgame locally, then you're sure that it will work evena after uploading it to github :) |
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Krock |
*even |
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Rasmez_ |
I'm look it already, I need to know how to create a new "default" mod, see, mine it's called "basic" with a new structure, so i need to know some things... |
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Krock |
so, gonna be away for some minutes |
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Rasmez_ |
ok... i only have 1 particular question |
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Rasmez_ |
with what 3D editor other than blender i can make a new player model? (i'm using ubuntu) |
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Rasmez_ |
Someone else is on? hello? |
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Rasmez_ |
Someone here can help me with the modeling problem that i have? |
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AnotherBrick |
i guess you can use whatever editor that support .x files |
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T4im |
how about you explain the problem first, then maybe someone knows how to help :) |
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Rasmez_ |
don't wanna use .x files... i'm using linux and .x it's propietary format from Microsoft (i guess) |
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T4im |
directx stuff iirc, ya |
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Rasmez_ |
I'm in a dire need of a 3D editor that allow me to create models for Minetest, free (i'm so friking broke) and not that complicated (exclude Blender) |
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Rasmez_ |
animated models to be exact, i found many to work with static models :D |
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T4im |
while i read the excluding blender part, i fear the answer would still be blender x) |
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T4im |
at least I'm not aware there to be another good option |
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T4im |
but as complicated as it is, there are also a whole lot of tutorials out there |
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Rasmez_ |
my problem with blender is the interface, i'm used to older version of blender, and the new (2.49 onwards) i can't customize the UI to fit in my laptop screen |
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kruug |
so keep using the old version |
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Rasmez_ |
but the old version don't have the b3d exporter :( |
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Rasmez_ |
at least i can't find it anywhere.. |
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kruug |
so learn the new version |
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AnotherBrick |
new version can't be fitted into his laptop's screen |
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Rasmez_ |
the problem is not learing, is that the new version does not have the UI tools for voxel modeling :( |
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Rasmez_ |
ohhh guys guys maybe i find a solution |
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Rasmez_ |
i can use VoxelShop to make the static model, then export it as a COLLADA file, then import that COLLADA in Blender, animate there (the animation gui fits my screen) and then export to B3D for Minetest |
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Rasmez_ |
it's an overkill but i'll try |
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Rasmez_ |
I'm making a totally new subgame for Minetest btw |
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Rasmez_ |
is a fantasy/RPG/sandbox thingy XD |
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Rasmez_ |
i mean, it has fantasy elements (like using various "magic" crystals to power contraptions and capture/spawn creatures), RPG elements (such as skills, and other progression systems), and the obvious sandbox elements of Mintest |
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Rasmez_ |
but i'm doing all of that from the ground up, 100% my own code, sounds, music, textures, etc, etc, etc. |
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AnotherBrick |
iirc there are some rpg mods for minetest, may be you can steal some code from them |
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AnotherBrick |
ah, ok |
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Rasmez_ |
i will learn for other mods of course |
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Rasmez_ |
but i don't steal code... |
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Rasmez_ |
well time for a lunch break, read you later guys :D |
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Krock |
re |
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Hijiri |
kruug: pointed_thing isn't a single value, it's a class of values |
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Hijiri |
if this was a language with user-definable types it would be a type |
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kruug |
Hijiri: oh, so as a mod maker, we couldn't use "pointed_thing" to see what node the user is pointing at? |
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IhrFussel |
Hijiri, I'm using tail -F directly on the log now and redirect any new line to a log.txt file...seems to catch every line so far |
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Krock |
kruug, you only know the pointed thing when the player hits the node or anything other happened |
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Krock |
only looking around does not provide Lua the pointed thing |
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kruug |
:/ |
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kruug |
That must be why there's no WAILA-like mod yet, then |
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Krock |
huh |
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kruug |
The game knows the draw the black box around the pointed node... |
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kruug |
it just doesn't make that data available to the API |
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Krock |
the _client_ knows it |
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Krock |
the server usually doesn't |
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kruug |
sure, and WAILA would be a client mod |
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Krock |
>client mods |
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kruug |
don't need to be concerned about the server |
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Krock |
it may take years until we have a small client mod support |
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kruug |
Ah, so the mods, even if they're made for single player, are still considered server-mods? |
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Krock |
singleplayer is like an official server |
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Krock |
it just doesn't announce or allow other clients to connect to it |
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Krock |
same system, but with only one user |
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kruug |
So, trying to see what node the user is pointing at would require one to completely write it from scratch, and not use the games API |
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Krock |
no, there's already a pull for this |
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Krock |
but as you might know, they're pending for a long time |
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kruug |
yeah, I've heard that from the forums and #minetest-dev... |
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kruug |
it's almost like Minetest doesn't want to actually be a Minecraft competitor...since the release schedule is so slow |
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Krock |
but honestly I'd prefer an API with the tweaked old code, as it's much easuer to understand |
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Krock |
(on C++ side) |
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Hijiri |
I like the iterator approach though, it makes it easy to ignore stuff you don't want |
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Krock |
find more C++ game developers and the releases will come quicker |
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IhrFussel |
Minetest needs to be a niche game IMO or else Microsoft could start paying attention to it and try to sue (even though they legally have no points to make I think) |
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Hijiri |
I don't think they would sue for that |
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Hijiri |
it would be a waste of their money, considering there is no money to squeeze from the minetest project |
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IhrFussel |
Hijiri, I feel like MS is like Nintendo in that regard...if your fan project stays small and only a few people know about it/play it they are fine but even a fan project can become a problem if it's too popular |
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IhrFussel |
Then they would send a C&D |
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Hijiri |
yes but those Nintendo fan projects are typically copyright violations |
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Hijiri |
minetest is not |
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IhrFussel |
Hijiri, I believe MS lawyers would find some way to shut it down...they could mention the "copied" concept and visuals |
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Hijiri |
two points: |
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Hijiri |
concepts would be something to patent, usually, if it's abstract like a voxel game |
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Hijiri |
Such a patent wouldn't hold since there is plenty of prior art |
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kruug |
IhrFussel: like Infiniminer, that came before Minecraft was a thing? |
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Hijiri |
at least Infiniminer is |
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IhrFussel |
I know that the source code, textures etc are original...but visually we can all agree that many could mistake this as Minecraft I think |
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Hijiri |
The visuals are look and feel, which you can't sue for. Microsoft was heavily involved in look-and-feel cases in the past, so they would know. |
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kruug |
IhrFussel: and Minecraft could be mistaken for an updated Infiniminer |
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Hijiri |
microsoft lawyers wouldn't mistake it for minecraft |
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Hijiri |
If they did sue it would be out of malice |
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IhrFussel |
Guys I know some laws about trademarks/copyrights...I'm just saying that the lawyers probably find ways to "scare" game developers |
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Hijiri |
probably? |
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Hijiri |
maybe you can find past instances where microsoft sued non-developing game developers in bad faith |
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Hijiri |
not non-developing |
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Hijiri |
not profiting? |
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Hijiri |
or even profiting ones that are not violations |
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Hijiri |
If they don't have a trend of such lawsuits then there isn't a reason to think they would sue for this. They have plenty of opportunities since they have copyright on many games |
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Hm true |
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FirePowi |
Hi, in the Exemple : http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.override_item it add unbreakable=1 to "default:mese1 and don't affect other groups. That's it ? |
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Megaf |
!seen Gniewomir |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen gniewomir around. |
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Megaf |
!seen Maxela |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: maxela was last seen at 2016-09-01 11:59:36 UTC on #minetest |
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!seen Gronx |
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Megaf: gronx was last seen at 2013-12-27 17:26:39 UTC on #minetest |
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AnotherBrick |
!seen seen |
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MinetestBot |
AnotherBrick: Sorry, I haven't seen seen around. |
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AnotherBrick |
!seen around |
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MinetestBot |
AnotherBrick: Sorry, I haven't seen around around. |
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Megaf |
AnotherBrick: in the wall |
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AnotherBrick |
yup |
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kruug |
!seen Megaf |
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kruug: megaf was last seen at 2016-09-12 21:18:28 UTC on #minetest |
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!seen MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot |
kruug: minetestbot was last seen at 2016-09-04 07:55:55 UTC on #minetest-fr |
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Out`Of`Control |
!any MinetestBot |
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kruug |
!seen me |
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MinetestBot |
kruug: me was last seen at 2015-10-14 19:53:45 UTC on #minetest |
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anyone know if I can send tables over digilines? |
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behalebabo |
XeonSquared: yes, you can |
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behalebabo |
just send it like any other message |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Plantlike meshoptions: fix degrotate. (#4512) d83bcf2 https://git.io/vizoL (2016-09-12T16:04:13-07:00) |
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Megaf |
Hello |
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Megaf |
Just got home from the pub, don't know if I go to bed or if I work out a little bit |
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Megaf |
it's 00:48 |
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Megaf |
:) |
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Megaf |
!seen kruug |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: kruug was last seen at 2016-09-12 21:26:15 UTC on #minetest |
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Megaf |
check mate |
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Megaf |
XeonSquared: that's a good question |
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Megaf |
as behalebabo said, you can |
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Megaf |
well, good night folks |
