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thePalindrome |
Flif is the future :P |
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nm0i |
!server megaf |
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MinetestBot |
nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
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Calinou |
thePalindrome: problem of FLIF is the license |
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Calinou |
decoder is fine, but encoder is LGPL, which scares lots of people away |
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wilkgr |
I'm following this tutorial to add HUD elements: http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/hud.html |
| 08:04 |
wilkgr |
But using that example |
| 08:04 |
wilkgr |
I can't run it |
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wilkgr |
player is a nil value |
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wilkgr |
init.lua:2: attempt to index local 'player' (a nil value) |
| 08:05 |
Calinou |
you added "local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("username")" |
| 08:05 |
Calinou |
with a correct username? |
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wilkgr |
I changed that to singleplayer |
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wilkgr |
(with quotation marks) |
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wilkgr |
I WOULD c&p it if it weren't for the auto-kicker |
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wilkgr |
local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer") |
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wilkgr |
local idx = player:hud_add({ |
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wilkgr |
That's the first two line |
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wilkgr |
s |
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wilkgr |
I have "default" and "worldedit?" in the depends.txt |
| 08:08 |
wilkgr |
So, yes. |
| 08:08 |
wilkgr |
I have no idea :/ |
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Calinou |
maybe the player doesn't exist on world spawning |
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Calinou |
you'd need to delay it using minetest.after |
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wilkgr |
Hmmm... |
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wilkgr |
Perhaps... |
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wilkgr |
Yes. |
| 08:09 |
wilkgr |
I'll try that. |
| 08:12 |
wilkgr |
Yesssss...it worked. |
| 08:12 |
wilkgr |
Thanks Calinou :D |
| 08:13 |
Calinou |
np |
| 08:13 |
wilkgr |
:D |
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wilkgr |
Ok I'm back with another question |
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wilkgr |
If I have local idx = player:add_hud...etc |
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wilkgr |
Does that mean |
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wilkgr |
that the variable |
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wilkgr |
exists only within the function? |
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wilkgr |
And that I cannot modify it from somewhere else? |
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wilkgr |
If so...How would I remedy this? |
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wilkgr |
Would I have to use global, or something? |
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Calinou |
local variables exist only within the function scope, yes |
| 08:22 |
Calinou |
or within the script |
| 08:23 |
Calinou |
remove local keyword, and the variable is global |
| 08:23 |
Calinou |
but you'll probably get warnings in Minetest console |
| 08:23 |
Calinou |
we do not advise using globals at all, except for "modname = {}" for example |
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wilkgr |
Ok. |
| 08:24 |
wilkgr |
So...Considering I want to modify the HUD element from a command, how would I then do it? |
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Calinou |
minetest.register_on_chat_command(…) |
| 08:24 |
Calinou |
I think |
| 08:25 |
Calinou |
it might be chatcommand, not chat_command |
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wilkgr |
Ohhh...thanks :) |
| 08:26 |
wilkgr |
"Your search - minetest.register_on_chat_command - did not match any documents." |
| 08:27 |
wilkgr |
xD |
| 08:27 |
wilkgr |
There is "minetest.register_chatcommand", but does that work within functions? |
| 08:27 |
Calinou |
look in lua_api.txt |
| 08:27 |
wilkgr |
Oh, k |
| 08:27 |
Calinou |
it should |
| 08:27 |
Calinou |
oh yes, it is minetest.register_chatcommand |
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wilkgr |
I'll try that. |
| 08:27 |
Calinou |
ultimately, functions are just code blocks :P |
| 08:28 |
wilkgr |
One last thing - |
| 08:28 |
Calinou |
the main thing you're not allowed to do inside them is declare other functions |
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wilkgr |
I can use core.colorize for chat - but can I do that for HUD elements? |
| 08:28 |
wilkgr |
core.colorize doesn't seem to work |
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wilkgr |
(No errors, but text is still black) |
| 08:29 |
Calinou |
look in lua_api, Ctrl+F for "color" :P |
| 08:30 |
wilkgr |
ik that would come... xD |
| 08:31 |
wilkgr |
"More than 100 matches" |
| 08:32 |
wilkgr |
It says "There are a few exceptions: tab headers, dropdowns and vertical labels can't" |
| 08:32 |
wilkgr |
For colors |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Son and Daughter Day! 😃 |
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Szkodnix |
Good morning :) Oh, I didn't know that this kind of holiday exists :) |
| 09:19 |
wilkgr |
Hello JamesTait |
| 09:20 |
JamesTait |
👋 Szkodnix, wilkgr |
| 09:20 |
wilkgr |
Hullo :) |
| 09:20 |
wilkgr |
Wow |
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wilkgr |
I just found out |
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wilkgr |
that when |
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wilkgr |
you press [ESC] |
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wilkgr |
while on |
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wilkgr |
an error screen |
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wilkgr |
the whole game closes |
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wilkgr |
rather than |
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wilkgr |
going to |
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wilkgr |
the main menu |
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JamesTait |
Szkodnix, most of them are nonsense holidays. ☺ |
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| 09:24 |
Megaf |
nm0i: Hi there, the buckets mod in my server is a mod I made myself |
| 09:24 |
Megaf |
they are a drop in replace for default buckets mod |
| 09:24 |
Megaf |
You can use them as craft ingredients, for example for homedecor items and you can also craaft them if you have a water_source |
| 09:24 |
Megaf |
nm0i: I just granted you interact by the way |
| 09:24 |
nm0i |
I |
| 09:24 |
nm0i |
I'll probably loose it anyway. |
| 09:25 |
Megaf |
nm0i: a bucket or interact? |
| 09:25 |
nm0i |
Yes (don't ask or questions). |
| 09:25 |
Megaf |
lol |
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nm0i |
What's the reasn behind wn bucket mode?.. |
| 09:26 |
nm0i |
s/eas/&o/ |
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Megaf |
griefing. griefers love flooding everything with lava and water |
| 09:26 |
Megaf |
And I don't know how areas mod it is now, but in the past they could even flood protected areas |
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nm0i |
You can by making tall dirt tower |
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nm0i |
But IIRC default bucket mod has is_protected or something check. |
| 09:28 |
Megaf |
yep |
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nm0i |
I just made few overrides to remove lava, because ratio of players using lava for goot to players using lava to try to grief is nearly zero. |
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nm0i |
s/goot/good/ >.> |
| 09:29 |
Megaf |
on a previous server I had, a guy joined, asked for interact, dug and mined to get things to craft a bucket, then he dug more to find a lava lake, went back to spawn and flooded the spawn with water and lava |
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JamesTait |
That's dedication. |
| 09:30 |
nm0i |
"We have rollback and hourly backups" sign at spawn helped a little on previvous server, though. |
| 09:32 |
Megaf |
That will just be read like, "It's ok, grief at will, we can fix it later and we don't care about anyone else" |
| 09:32 |
nm0i |
Yeah, in the end it was so. |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
a lot of work can be lost in one hour and rollback just don't work properly. |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
and it takes too much disk space |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
and it is very slow |
| 09:33 |
nm0i |
Same as making server 18+ ensures there will be only kids on it. |
| 09:33 |
Megaf |
brb |
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| 09:39 |
Megaf |
LOL at www.atheros.com |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 09:39 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: HUD - Minetest Modding Book |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
LOL² |
| 09:41 |
wilkgr |
Hi Megaf |
| 09:42 |
Megaf |
hey wilkgr |
| 09:42 |
wilkgr |
Long time no see ;) |
| 09:42 |
wilkgr |
What's so funny? |
| 09:42 |
Megaf |
yep, |
| 09:42 |
Megaf |
wilkgr: atheros is a big company, and the website atheros.com says it works |
| 09:43 |
wilkgr |
Oh. |
| 09:43 |
Megaf |
wilkgr: we have new players on the server, but you werent there to say welcome to them, they are agaran and Darkside_ :P |
| 09:43 |
wilkgr |
Hmmm |
| 09:44 |
wilkgr |
I'm playing around on creative on another server atm, sorry Megaf ;) |
| 09:44 |
Megaf |
nm0i: you new player too? perhaps I'm not seeing you there again, or am I? |
| 09:44 |
wilkgr |
And trying my best to explain a swear filter... |
| 09:44 |
Megaf |
wilkgr: I've been thinking about making a clone of the server, but this clone in creative mode |
| 09:44 |
wilkgr |
Let's just say it didn't go well ;) |
| 09:44 |
wilkgr |
Megaf, great idea! |
| 09:45 |
Megaf |
terrible idea, the servers will eat each other |
| 09:45 |
wilkgr |
Megaf, would you be interested in a minigames server perhaps? |
| 09:46 |
wilkgr |
OMG there's a server called "Absolute Anarchy" xD |
| 09:47 |
Megaf |
wilkgr: we have some minigames |
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* wilkgr |
slams head against wall |
| 09:47 |
Megaf |
players are making them |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
Oh, k |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
I'm working on one in singleplayer |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
Complete with coloured chat, etc. ;) |
| 09:48 |
Megaf |
Megaf Server is the most flexible server there is |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
Such as LEVEL FINISHED |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
Megaf, "Disclaimer: This might or might not be true at the time of publication" |
| 09:48 |
wilkgr |
xD |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
everything is permited there, all languages, habits, dating. You are just now allowed to cause harm in Megaf Server |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
apart from that, you can build and do anything you want |
| 09:49 |
wilkgr |
True... |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
want to build a freaking roller coester, do it, space station? fine |
| 09:49 |
wilkgr |
I thought PvP (if agreed) is allowed though...? |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
a castle for a PVP area? That's ok |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
are you Japanese and wants to speak Russian? That's lovely |
| 09:50 |
wilkgr |
Space station is what you're doing, with the mod I made for you |
| 09:50 |
wilkgr |
(hint hint, nudge nudge) |
| 09:50 |
wilkgr |
xD |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
PVP is allowed yes, if agreed |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
by both parts |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
I saw something on another server |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
that PvP is disabled outside |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
arenas |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
So that it actually is impossible to PvP outside... |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
Or you can go into PvP mode |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
(which everyone can see) |
| 09:51 |
wilkgr |
And then you can hit & take damage from others |
| 09:54 |
Megaf |
All this stuff adds unnecessary complixity |
| 09:55 |
* wilkgr |
shakes head |
| 09:56 |
nm0i |
Megaf: I've been on your server at least year ago, I think. |
| 09:56 |
nm0i |
So not new. Just did nthing. |
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wilkgr |
^^ Same nm0i ;) |
| 10:09 |
Megaf |
nm0i: I remember |
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| 11:07 |
Megaf |
cya, wbbl (See You) (I Will Be Back Later) |
| 11:08 |
Krock |
k gj cyal |
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| 11:19 |
Megaf |
folks, my w3m is broken |
| 11:19 |
Megaf |
aix: ^ |
| 11:19 |
aix |
ah well |
| 11:20 |
Megaf |
w3m text browser showing images and shit http://uploadpie.com/aViXX |
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Megaf |
Thankfully duckduckgo still fine http://uploadpie.com/fB571 |
| 11:35 |
* Megaf |
trying to figure out why thunderbird no longer open links itself, instead it opens link on external browser |
| 11:38 |
aix |
okay so i'm setting up my own email, ftp and xmpp servers |
| 11:38 |
aix |
should be fun |
| 11:38 |
Krock |
that's funny because thunderbird is basically firefox |
| 11:39 |
aix |
^ |
| 11:39 |
aix |
it literally is |
| 11:39 |
Darkside_ |
i guess Opera too |
| 11:39 |
aix |
uhm no |
| 11:39 |
aix |
Opera is great |
| 11:39 |
aix |
sort of |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
Krock: the funnier thing is there is a browser extension for thunderbird |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
aix: up to 11.x yes |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
used to be my default browser from Opera 3.x to 12.x |
| 11:40 |
aix |
does <user>@<user>.tld look wierd as an email? |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
[12:38:44] <aix> okay so i'm setting up my own email, ftp and xmpp servers |
| 11:40 |
aix |
yeah |
| 11:40 |
Megaf |
been there myself |
| 11:40 |
aix |
email is done |
| 11:41 |
aix |
pretty hard |
| 11:41 |
Darkside_ |
haha ok i never took a closer look at it, good to know for future if i need browser ;) |
| 11:41 |
aix |
rest is childsplay |
| 11:41 |
aix |
Megaf: wait you've done all three? |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
now a days I just install potifx so my websites can send email |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
aix: yep, including the web mail thing, used squirrel mail |
| 11:41 |
aix |
uhm |
| 11:41 |
Megaf |
for ftp used proftpd |
| 11:41 |
aix |
i used postfix+dovecot |
| 11:41 |
aix |
and no silly php apps |
| 11:41 |
aix |
squirrel mail is php right |
| 11:42 |
Megaf |
for xmpp, the most fun part, the livefire or wildfire or whatever they call it today |
| 11:42 |
Darkside_ |
i use filezilla for ftp :) |
| 11:42 |
Megaf |
for me the best xmpp server |
| 11:42 |
aix |
Darkside_: I use lftp :P |
| 11:42 |
Megaf |
fantastic web panel to administer it, easy integration (automatic) with other xmpp servers |
| 11:42 |
aix |
ew |
| 11:42 |
Megaf |
I used to add my gtalk friends on my own xmpp server account |
| 11:43 |
aix |
it's openfire |
| 11:43 |
aix |
it's nice but it hogs resources like |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
nope |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
it doesnt, it runs fine on little hardware |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
or used to |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
since its java, you can control the amount of memory it can take |
| 11:44 |
Megaf |
I should add OpenFire to my CV |
| 11:44 |
Megaf |
Or should I? |
| 11:44 |
aix |
uhrm no |
| 11:44 |
aix |
it's not too hard to use |
| 11:44 |
aix |
I much prefer Prosody |
| 11:45 |
Calinou |
console.log("Hello world!") |
| 11:45 |
* Calinou |
adds Node.js to his resume |
| 11:45 |
MattJ100 |
o/ |
| 11:45 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 11:45 |
Megaf |
23 minutes left on 12% battery, that's bad isnt it? |
| 11:45 |
Calinou |
acceptable, but not very high |
| 11:46 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> for ftp used proftpd |
| 11:46 |
Calinou |
apparently, proftpd is not in Arch Linux ARM |
| 11:46 |
Calinou |
so I use vsftpd there |
| 11:46 |
Megaf |
I begun messing with protpd back on Mandriva 2005 |
| 11:46 |
aix |
i'm a pure-ftpd guy |
| 11:46 |
Calinou |
proftpd is what we learned at uni in 1st semester |
| 11:46 |
Calinou |
wow, was hard, uncommenting a line in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 11:46 |
Megaf |
then used a bit on Debian Squeeze. now a days rsync it is |
| 11:47 |
Megaf |
I use SSH for everything now a days, to open a remote folder on a graphical file manager, to send individual files, for VPN and tunnel things |
| 11:47 |
Megaf |
and for remote administration |
| 11:48 |
Megaf |
no need for SAMBA, FTP, VNC and things like that |
| 11:48 |
Megaf |
SSH does it all |
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| 11:48 |
Calinou |
SFTP/SSHFS are great |
| 11:48 |
Calinou |
but sshfs does not have good Windows support |
| 11:48 |
Megaf |
no need for SAMBA, FTP, VNC, VPN and things like that |
| 11:48 |
Megaf |
I don't use Windows .... |
| 11:48 |
Calinou |
good for you :p |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
and when I'm obligated to use it, because of something, FileZilla as SSH client it is |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
SFTP* |
| 11:49 |
aix |
WinSCP FTW |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
or that |
| 11:49 |
Calinou |
FileZilla is nice, even though it's full of ads now :p |
| 11:49 |
Calinou |
(its updates are "sponsored" now) |
| 11:49 |
aix |
*gasp* |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
really? |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
Oo |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
Time to fork it |
| 11:49 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 11:49 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 11:49 |
Calinou |
or create a new, Qt-based FTP client |
| 11:49 |
Calinou |
my KDE would be happier with that |
| 11:50 |
Megaf |
It would be nice if we could get the core of FileZilla and drop a Qt interface on ti |
| 11:51 |
Calinou |
why? just use standard FTP libraries/clients |
| 11:51 |
Megaf |
Calinou: because you want KDE thing |
| 11:51 |
Megaf |
that's why |
| 11:51 |
Megaf |
20 minutes at 9%, only Qassel running and mpv playing flac |
| 11:52 |
Megaf |
brightness almost minimal |
| 11:52 |
Calinou |
FLAC decoding is relatively expensive |
| 11:52 |
Megaf |
Playing: Twenty One Pilots - Blurryface (2015) [FLAC]/02 - Stressed Out.flac |
| 11:52 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 11:53 |
Calinou |
here, listening to "Running From Evil - Andrey Avkhimovich - Doom 2 Soundtrack Rebuild" :p |
| 11:53 |
Megaf |
ok, put my cores in powersave and disable one core, now I have a one core CPU at 1 GHz |
| 11:53 |
Calinou |
with Clementine |
| 11:54 |
Megaf |
Playing: ACDC - Are You Ready-The Very Best Of (2016) 2CD MP3/CD 1/01. Thunderstruck.mp3 |
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Megaf |
:D |
| 11:55 |
Calinou |
Thunderstruck, that's a Quake 3 map |
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Calinou |
(unofficial, was ported to Quake Live too) |
| 11:55 |
Calinou |
also in Sauerbraten as sauerstruck |
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Megaf |
17 minutes left at 9%, powersave and singlecore didng help much |
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Megaf |
didnt* |
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Megaf |
"The battery reports a discharge rate of 7.99 W" |
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Megaf |
one thing that uses lots of battery is the wifi chip |
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Megaf |
I think the driver doesnt support powersaving |
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Megaf |
brb, changing DMs |
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Megaf |
I think quassel is not a good choice for low energy use |
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Calinou |
try irssi for that :p |
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Megaf |
lol, I closed GNOME and came to LXDE, battery use is 2% higher |
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Megaf |
I wish the Linux kernel had some of the cleverness for macOS kernel in power saving |
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Megaf |
anyway, will hibernate this thing and clean the laptop |
| 12:06 |
Calinou |
few people use Linux on desktops currently |
| 12:06 |
Calinou |
it is on the rise, but still under 3% |
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Calinou |
(by desktops, I also mean laptops) |
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Darkside_ |
i have linux on me laptop and works great :)) |
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Calinou |
it works like crap on all laptops I've had |
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Calinou |
suspend does not work reliably, battery life isn't as good |
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Calinou |
those are non-issues on desktop machines, so I can use Linux just fine on desktops |
| 12:07 |
Calinou |
oh, I've had *one* laptop where suspend was reliable |
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Calinou |
but it had no dedicated graphics |
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Calinou |
it was a really tiny netbook |
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Fixer |
Calinou: filezilla has ads? I use portable one and did not see anything |
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Calinou |
Fixer: the update dialog is now sponsored |
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Calinou |
currently by Dreamhost |
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Fixer |
i somewhat dislike its interface |
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aix |
okay so i set up an ftp share |
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Darkside_ |
OS i use atm : Linux 3.18.1-pclos1 (PClinuxOS) KDE SC version 4.14.10 Processor(s) Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz OpenGL/ES version 3.0 Mesa 11.1.1 Render : Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV620 (DRM 2.40.0, LLVM 3.7.0) |
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Calinou |
that's old (both Linux and kDE) |
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Darkside_ |
kernel: unknown lol |
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Calinou |
Mesa 11, too :p |
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Calinou |
try this distro, when you got some time: http://antergos.com/ |
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Darkside_ |
wil do, theres still a computer or two that need some hardware fixes and a proper OS :) |
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shamoanjac |
does anyone know how to document Lua with Doxygen? |
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shamoanjac |
I'm not finding official docs on it |
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nuzzle |
shamoanjac: doxygen is dreadful. check out LPen or how it was named |
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nuzzle |
LDoc |
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nuzzle |
Penlight was the utility library |
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nuzzle |
http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html |
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nuzzle |
that's how it looks |
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shamoanjac |
prrpx, stfu |
| 12:43 |
prr |
no u |
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shamoanjac |
no |
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shamoanjac |
Y |
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shamoanjac |
O |
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shamoanjac |
U |
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prr |
http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html |
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prr |
http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html |
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prr |
listen to me for once |
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prr |
o.n.c.e. |
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prrpx |
http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/libraries/pl.strict.html# |
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prrpx |
9>The pl.strict module enforces a simple rule: globals must be 'declared'. This means that they must be assigned before use; assigning to nil is sufficient. |
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shamoanjac |
prrpx, this is fucking |
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shamoanjac |
not what I want |
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prrpx |
no but it's what i want |
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prrpx |
i think i'm actually gone use this |
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prrpx |
each time i see even part of a doxygen page i wanna tear my eyes out |
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shamoanjac |
do it fgt |
| 12:47 |
prrpx |
every css line, every html tag it generates |
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prrpx |
is raping my soul |
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Krock |
aagh prrpx, why this eyecancer? |
| 12:48 |
prrpx |
it's not perfect but better than doxygen |
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prrpx |
because literally everything is better than doxygen |
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shamoanjac |
u just a hipster lol |
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prrpx |
@defgroup stfu stfu |
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prrpx |
true programmers |
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prrpx |
don't use external documentation |
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prrpx |
they read headers and only headers and when in doubt they read the sources |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, hey |
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aix |
my 11th xmpp account is up |
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aix |
how fun |
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shamoanjac |
hey agrecascino |
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agrecascino |
so i had to block the entirety of china yesterday |
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Krock |
it's interesting how much 17 users make. With 120 users it was always quiet and now there's almost no silence anymore |
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Krock |
*how much difference 17 |
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Nosrick |
Hey ho folks. |
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aix |
hi |
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Darkside_ |
hi |
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Krock |
hey ho Nosrick |
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Nosrick |
Today, I think I'll work on my research system. |
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Nosrick |
I was thinking of making a game like Candy Crush or something as a mini-game alternative to just waiting for things to complete. |
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Krock |
oh god please no |
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Krock |
this must wait for entity nodes (moveable and attachable etc), otherwise these updates would lag incredibly |
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Nosrick |
Oh, I was going to make it a GUI game. |
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Megaf |
Why can't at least two players be on my server at the same time? |
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Megaf |
there's always one player that is playing a long for hours |
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Megaf |
s/a long/alone |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
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Nosrick |
Is there any way to get a unique ID for a mob? |
| 13:38 |
Krock |
add another param to the definition and put a random value in |
| 13:38 |
Nosrick |
I thought that might be the case. |
| 13:39 |
Nosrick |
Looks like I'm not going to have any dependencies for my mod, since it'll be cobbled together from my shitty take on other mods! |
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Nosrick |
I was using playereffects, but the fact is, it doesn't actually allow for non-players to have effects. |
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Out`Of`Control |
hi |
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Nosrick |
So casting your spells on non-players is a no-no with that. |
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Krock |
hi Out`Of`Control |
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Nosrick |
Hello! |
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Out`Of`Control |
anyone here use screen? |
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Megaf |
Out`Of`Control: I do |
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Calinou |
me too |
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Calinou |
24", Full HD |
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Calinou |
:] |
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Out`Of`Control |
Megaf: do you use any script to open tabs? |
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Out`Of`Control |
Calinou: 27 inch :P |
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Megaf |
Out`Of`Control: oh, no |
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Krock |
17" here |
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Nosrick |
Poor Little Krock |
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Krock |
it's not little at all |
| 13:44 |
Nosrick |
I will resist a joke here. |
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Nosrick |
And just smooth over it. |
| 13:44 |
Krock |
no, jokes are good |
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Krock |
gonna sharpen it again |
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Out`Of`Control |
my backup 19 CRT |
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Out`Of`Control |
anyone know what is CRT? |
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Out`Of`Control |
lol |
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Nosrick |
I do! |
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Krock |
yes sure |
| 13:45 |
Nosrick |
We're not all kiddies here. |
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Krock |
I've got a ~13" one on my other table |
| 13:45 |
Nosrick |
In fact, I'm betting most of us are pretty old compared to Minecraft's community base. |
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Nosrick |
But that's not hard. |
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Krock |
that's illusion |
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Krock |
look into the MC channels on esper net and you'll see that IRC is a good filter |
| 13:46 |
Calinou |
Minecraft players used to not be kids |
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Calinou |
back in Alpha era |
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Calinou |
but since Beta, it's all kids :P |
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Calinou |
also, that ^ |
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Nosrick |
How would I go about getting all entities in an area? |
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Nosrick |
minetest.get_objects_inside_radius()? |
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Calinou |
yes |
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aix |
https://sr.ht/fxA9.png i think i aliased out the default stone |
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agrecascino |
http://pastebin.com/ds3FCHm9 |
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agrecascino |
this is definitely the prettiest thing i've ever wrote |
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Krock |
use perl |
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aix |
ew |
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aix |
https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-invsee any way to easily allow taking the contents of the inventory? |
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Krock |
aix, invsee only does a copy of the player's inventory |
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aix |
oh |
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Krock |
it's not a direct reference |
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Wuzzy |
ok, who of you has admin access to dev.minetest.net? |
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shangul |
hi |
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Krock |
Wuzzy, you can request an acocunt on the forums or PM Calinou |
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Krock |
*account |
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Wuzzy |
answer the question please |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
I do |
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Krock |
err |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
not admin access |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
sorry but you can still ask Calinou ;) |
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Wuzzy |
does Calinou have admin access? |
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Krock |
he can create account so he must, yes. |
| 16:53 |
Wuzzy |
ok |
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Krock |
Oh great. Can't read and can't write properly today |
| 16:53 |
Wuzzy |
I already have an account. |
| 16:53 |
Wuzzy |
I ask for a different reason. |
| 16:53 |
Wuzzy |
I want some pages to pop up on main page |
| 16:54 |
Wuzzy |
hey, Calinou, you there? |
| 16:54 |
Wuzzy |
argh, crap |
| 16:54 |
Wuzzy |
dev wiki is broken at the moment |
| 16:54 |
Wuzzy |
i cant even edit pages |
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Wuzzy |
error 500 >_> |
| 16:55 |
Krock |
works fine here |
| 16:55 |
Wuzzy |
which means its not my fault :) |
| 16:56 |
Wuzzy |
maybe MediaWiki needs updating |
| 16:58 |
Wuzzy |
Is Calinou the only admin of dev.minetest.net? |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
I have no idea |
| 17:10 |
Calinou |
hi |
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Calinou |
Wuzzy: I'm admin on both yes |
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Wuzzy |
ok whats that about with error 500 when I try to edit Mod interoperability? >_> |
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shangul |
hi colang |
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Wuzzy |
do you have it in logs or somewhere? |
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Calinou |
Wuzzy: does the error 500 happen when submitting the edit? |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
I don't have access to server log |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
yes |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
oh crap |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
ok, I can open the edit page |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
I just tried to add 1 line |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
namely, “[[Category:Misc]]†at the end |
| 17:12 |
Wuzzy |
now you can try to reproduce it |
| 17:12 |
Wuzzy |
btw: no access to the freaking logs? what sick world do we live in?? |
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Calinou |
"500 Internal Server Error" indeed, I can reproduce it :( |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
well technically I'm moderator, not administrator :p |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
ok can you edit the main page at least? |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
I would like to have that page I mentioned placed more prominently |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
ok |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
currently it is very invisible, not linked anywhere in wiki (or almost not, idk) |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
and i dont know where else to put links |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
http://dev.minetest.net/Template:Main_Content_Links |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
done |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
just above "Modding FAQ" |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
thx |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
I'll move Misc articles down too |
| 17:17 |
Wuzzy |
interoperability is very important to me, especially the modding community should at least *try* to combat duplicate/redundant APIs and the like ;-) |
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[git] Rogier-5 -> minetest/minetest: Use the standard to_string() functions for C++11 (#4279) b11720a https://git.io/v6B6W (2016-08-11T19:22:40+02:00) |
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agrecascino |
anyone want to help me write a client for an an IRC like protocol |
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KaadmY |
agrecascino: nope, busy enough with my own atm |
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Krock |
KaadmY, you're writing an IRC-like protocol aswell? |
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KaadmY |
Krock: for a game :P |
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KaadmY |
networking mainly |
| 17:45 |
KaadmY |
not really a specific protocol |
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APNG |
why not just use CTCP >.> |
| 17:45 |
APNG |
(or IRCv3 if you're stupid) |
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agrecascino |
APNG, can you help me write my client? |
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agrecascino |
i'm too lazy to |
| 17:47 |
APNG |
no |
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APNG |
just use IRC |
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agrecascino |
can't |
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APNG |
and add CTCP/IRCv3 on top |
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Krock |
this reminds me of my script language I wanted to write.. eww, I feel this will never get done |
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APNG |
agrecascino, https://github.com/SoniEx2/CTCP-S |
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agrecascino |
APNG, i can't |
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APNG |
agrecascino, why not? |
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agrecascino |
it needs to run over wanp |
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agrecascino |
wamp* |
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Krock |
agrecascino, get a coffee and nice background music and let the motivation in |
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APNG |
what's wamp? |
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agrecascino |
Web Application Messaging Protocol |
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APNG |
websockets? |
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agrecascino |
it runs over websocket |
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APNG |
meh |
| 17:49 |
APNG |
just use raw websockets |
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agrecascino |
i'm doing it for an internship :\ |
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APNG |
oh |
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APNG |
meh |
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agrecascino |
i'm writing a client in javascript |
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* agrecascino |
continues to bolt features onto the server to waste time |
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Krock |
usain bolt? |
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agrecascino |
Krock, a metal pin or bar, in particular. |
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Krock |
collectgarbage("collect") |
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Krock |
(before this drives off-way) |
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Krock |
KaadmY, pay attention to https://xkcd.com/1354/ |
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KaadmY |
Krock: true |
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Hijiri |
Nosrick: you could write an entity effects system :P |
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Hijiri |
it would require definition support though |
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Nosrick |
Yeah, I think I will. |
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Hijiri |
you could use it alongside playereffects |
| 18:04 |
Hijiri |
unless you want to write a player effects system too |
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Hijiri |
a similar API for entities would be possible since effect definitions are static |
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APNG |
what should I name my esolang? |
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Calinou |
call it APNG |
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Krock |
APNG() -- call APNG |
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agrecascino |
i feel at peace with python |
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agrecascino |
i understand why people don't hate this lanuage |
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agrecascino |
language* |
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Krock |
I don't like python |
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Krock |
either you do it for 2.x or 3.x and when you've done your script someone requests it for the other version |
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aix |
i do it for 2. |
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aix |
3. sucks |
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aix |
i like print |
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aix |
print() is wierd |
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aix |
also if |
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Calinou |
agrecascino: it's not renowned for its speed |
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agrecascino |
prrpx, i also finally understand rust |
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agrecascino |
you abuse the fuck out of singletons and pass-by-reference |
| 19:28 |
prrpx |
ahahahahaha |
| 19:28 |
prrpx |
no, no singletons |
| 19:28 |
prrpx |
you don't do singletons |
| 19:28 |
prrpx |
singletons are cancer |
| 19:28 |
prrpx |
except in rare cases |
| 19:29 |
prrpx |
rare cases like |
| 19:30 |
prrpx |
stdout and stderr |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
singletons are love, singletons are life |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
(in game development that is) |
| 19:30 |
APNG |
meh |
| 19:30 |
agrecascino |
prrpx, is the other half right? |
| 19:31 |
prrpx |
yes. ofc |
| 19:31 |
agrecascino |
knew it! |
| 19:32 |
prrpx |
is that bad? |
| 19:32 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/0u3r.txt |
| 19:32 |
aix |
only around 80KB of C to do that trick |
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agrecascino |
prrpx, not especially |
| 19:42 |
Fixer |
amazingly |
| 19:43 |
Fixer |
pos Skype is much tougher on disk i/o than QuiteRSS which loads 300mb database |
| 19:44 |
Markow |
my backyard |
| 19:44 |
Markow |
https://twitter.com/ejmarkow/status/759765009891229696 |
| 19:44 |
Markow |
;) |
| 19:45 |
Markow |
Sort of like Minetest ;) |
| 19:46 |
Fixer |
minetest has deers? |
| 19:46 |
Markow |
Hint hint! |
| 19:47 |
Markow |
Minetest has tons of forest and meadows ;) |
| 19:47 |
Krock |
but no deers |
| 19:48 |
Krock |
I like that guy already now. Using OpenSource C++03 code as background :3 |
| 19:49 |
Markow |
;) |
| 19:50 |
Markow |
I also enjoy Java (ducking and hiding) |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
Do you wear glasses? |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
If not, then get some because you can't C#. |
| 19:56 |
* Krock |
tries to scribble trough the two messages above with a black pen |
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| 19:57 |
Calinou |
I can C#! |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
without glasses |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
me too :D |
| 19:57 |
* Krock |
high fives Calinou |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
but with distances > 10m it gets a bit blurred |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
Markow, I was like "Oh shit." when I noticed you are the user on twitter. Honestly didn't expect that even you wrote it above (haven't seen it) |
| 19:59 |
Markow |
;) |
| 20:00 |
Markow |
Yours truly in the flesh, and digitally here ;) |
| 20:00 |
Markow |
lol |
| 20:01 |
Fixer |
I can nothing, with or without glasses |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
that isn't much at all, Fixer |
| 20:01 |
Markow |
Seriously, feels like a Minetest world here (minus deer ... doh!) |
| 20:02 |
Markow |
I do own a large pickaxe |
| 20:02 |
Krock |
yes, with plantlife, moretrees, some bushes and decorations you get a special and nature-like-looking terrain |
| 20:02 |
Krock |
low-end graphics cards will love it *cough* |
| 20:03 |
Markow |
I've got an Nvidia GF 210, nothing special, but much better than Intel Integrated graphics |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
Hopefully not on Linux. I think you're aware of the sentence "Nvidia, fuck you!" by Linus :P |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
the NVIDIA blob doesn't support pre-Fermi cards anymore |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
(since at least 2 years ago) |
| 20:04 |
Markow |
Actually, the proprietary driver from Nvidia, and graphics card, work awesome on Linux |
| 20:04 |
Markow |
At least on my machine |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
oh, nice to hear |
| 20:05 |
Markow |
But that Linus line was indeed a classic one! |
| 20:06 |
Markow |
Nvidia graphics support on Linux is much better than Radeon it (proprietary) |
| 20:06 |
Markow |
*is |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
the AMD open source driver is good enough now |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
if you aren't after 100% performance |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
it should be stable, and provide decent OpenGL support |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
there's also accelerated video decode |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
and power management |
| 20:07 |
Markow |
It really has improved |
| 20:08 |
Markow |
The Nouveau driver is horrible |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
even Nouveau is beginning to become usable, it's getting reclocking on Kepler/Maxwell |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
Markow: join #nouveau and see :P |
| 20:08 |
Markow |
hehe |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
some users have perfectly working reclocking on their 780 Ti |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
which is still a relatively fast card today |
| 20:09 |
Markow |
Nvidia should simply open source their damn code for once! |
| 20:09 |
Out`Of`Control |
what about GT710? |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
not gonna happen |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
Out`Of`Control: that's a Maxwell card IIRC, not sure |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
it's still WIP for Maxwell, but getting there |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
(kernel 4.7 just landed in Arch Linux btw) |
| 20:09 |
Out`Of`Control |
i am on 4.6 |
| 20:10 |
Markow |
Calinou: uname -a: Linux galicia 4.7.0-FINAL-git-523d939-Pogorze-Karpackie-CUSTOM-KERNEL #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 14:28:22 CEST 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:10 |
Markow |
;) |
| 20:10 |
Markow |
I compile my own kernel, always |
| 20:10 |
Out`Of`Control |
neat |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
I have kernel 5.1 .. but not a linux one |
| 20:11 |
Markow |
I'll soon be testing out 4.8 when rc2 hits |
| 20:11 |
Markow |
This Sunday 4.8-rc2 gets released |
| 20:12 |
Markow |
Krock: What kernel is that 5.1 for? |
| 20:12 |
Krock |
Markow, windows. |
| 20:12 |
* Markow |
makes an ugly face ;) |
| 20:12 |
Krock |
eww no. |
| 20:13 |
Markow |
Windows actually has a version # for their kernel? |
| 20:13 |
Markow |
amazing |
| 20:13 |
Krock |
It's the same as the internal version |
| 20:13 |
Krock |
actually almost all files in system32 have the same version |
| 20:14 |
Markow |
What's the update frequency for the MS Windows Kernel, 2x per year, less or more? |
| 20:15 |
Out`Of`Control |
Markow: i think no more after windows 10 |
| 20:15 |
Markow |
lol, seriously? |
| 20:17 |
Krock |
It's funny that I never thought about the reason why they haven't called Windows 10, 9 instead. They skipped it because programs checked for "^Windows 9" to detect if they're on 95 or 98 |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
Windows 10 is 10.0.<build> IIRC |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
yes |
| 20:20 |
Nosrick_ |
Anyone know why doing this: target:set_hp(target:get_hp - 0) does a full heart of damage? |
| 20:20 |
Krock |
* target:get_hp() |
| 20:21 |
Nosrick_ |
Ah, woops. |
| 20:21 |
Nosrick_ |
Sorry, I'm on nightshift, it messes with me big time. |
| 20:21 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: and it doesn't without the - 0? |
| 20:21 |
Krock |
it doesn't because the one heart damage is done somewhere else in your code |
| 20:22 |
Nosrick_ |
And I think I just realised what it is. |
| 20:23 |
Nosrick_ |
Is there any way to override the default player on_punch, rather than just add a callback? |
| 20:24 |
Krock |
there's a mod (shooter I believe) that adds blood particles when the player was hurt. Check that code, how it's done there |
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| 20:25 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: retrun true from your register_on_punchplayer calllback |
| 20:25 |
Nosrick_ |
Hijiri: I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:26 |
Hijiri |
it says this in the lua api docs |
| 20:26 |
Hijiri |
I thought you would have read it when you decided to use register_on_punchplayer |
| 20:27 |
Nosrick_ |
That didn't work. |
| 20:27 |
Nosrick_ |
It's been a few days since I last read the API docs, and my memory is complete crap. |
| 20:28 |
Hijiri |
maybe the docs are wrong? |
| 20:28 |
Hijiri |
or the implementation is broken |
| 20:28 |
Hijiri |
or you did something else wrong |
| 20:29 |
Krock |
it's always Minetest's fault. Gawd guys, this is like when Minetest crashes and you blame the OS for that |
| 20:30 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: tested just now, overriding punch damage works for me |
| 20:30 |
Nosrick_ |
Damn it. |
| 20:30 |
Nosrick_ |
I return true at the end of my function, is that what I'm supposed to do? |
| 20:30 |
Hijiri |
did you return true everywhere your function returns? |
| 20:31 |
Hijiri |
post your code |
| 20:31 |
Nosrick_ |
It only returns in one place; at the end. |
| 20:31 |
Hijiri |
it sounds like it should work, so post your code |
| 20:32 |
Nosrick_ |
https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/495f685b8c07259da3b7546613817b2a |
| 20:32 |
Hijiri |
I don't see any register_on_punchplayer |
| 20:32 |
Hijiri |
do you just do register_on_punchplayer(momtest.onPunchPlayer)? |
| 20:33 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah. |
| 20:33 |
Nosrick_ |
Sorry, should have included that. |
| 20:34 |
Hijiri |
what is oldPunch |
| 20:34 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: here's your problem |
| 20:34 |
Hijiri |
your parameter oldPunch is where damage gets passed in |
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| 20:35 |
Hijiri |
so "not oldPunch" evaluates to false and it goes to the else branch |
| 20:35 |
Hijiri |
wait, that would error |
| 20:35 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: can you post your call to register_on_punchplayer |
| 20:35 |
Nosrick_ |
minetest.register_on_punchplayer(function(player, puncher, time_from_last_punch, tool_capabilities, dir) |
| 20:35 |
Nosrick_ |
momtest.onPunchPlayer(player, puncher, time_from_last_punch, tool_capabilities, dir, nil) |
| 20:35 |
Nosrick_ |
end) |
| 20:36 |
Hijiri |
yes, you lied about what you did |
| 20:36 |
Nosrick_ |
It might be wrong. |
| 20:36 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah sorry, I hadn't looked at that bit in a while. |
| 20:36 |
Hijiri |
well, look at that callback |
| 20:36 |
Hijiri |
does it look like it's returning true anywhere? |
| 20:36 |
Nosrick_ |
HAH |
| 20:36 |
Nosrick_ |
I'm dumb. |
| 20:37 |
Nosrick_ |
I need to add a return onto the start of the onPunchPlayer, don't I? |
| 20:37 |
Darkside_ |
nah learning not dumb ;) |
| 20:37 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: no |
| 20:37 |
Hijiri |
you need to return true in the callback you give to register_on_punchplayer |
| 20:37 |
Hijiri |
here your callback is function(...) momtest.onPunchPlayer(blah) end |
| 20:37 |
Hijiri |
Lua's returns are always explicit |
| 20:37 |
Hijiri |
this callback has no return keyword in it, so will return nil |
| 20:38 |
Hijiri |
s/always explicit/always explicit except for nil/ |
| 20:38 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: also when will oldPunch ever not be nil? |
| 20:39 |
Nosrick_ |
When, for example, shooting overrides it. |
| 20:39 |
Hijiri |
overrides what |
| 20:39 |
Nosrick_ |
A player's on_punch. |
| 20:39 |
Nosrick_ |
Isn't that what it does? |
| 20:39 |
Hijiri |
where do you find a player's on_punch? |
| 20:39 |
Hijiri |
there is none, the place for custom punch handling is register_on_punchplayer |
| 20:39 |
Nosrick_ |
I have no idea. I asked earlier, and someone said to check out the shooting mod. |
| 20:39 |
Nosrick_ |
Ah, I see. |
| 20:40 |
Krock |
"someone" |
| 20:40 |
Nosrick_ |
I couldn't remember who, sorry. :) |
| 20:41 |
Nosrick_ |
Aaaand it now works. Thank you! |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
horray! |
| 20:41 |
Nosrick_ |
No puny zombie can harm my Blessed self! |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
!next |
| 20:41 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 20:43 |
Nosrick_ |
Now, should I write a detailed stat system for my mobs and players, or just simplify the damage rolls to their averages? |
| 20:43 |
Krock |
KISS principe |
| 20:43 |
Fixer |
!back |
| 20:44 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: depends on what you want in your damage system |
| 20:44 |
Hijiri |
I guess what you want should also depend on what is good gameplay |
| 20:44 |
Nosrick_ |
Well, a stat system would result in less reliable damage. |
| 20:44 |
Nosrick_ |
Which I don't really like. |
| 20:45 |
Hijiri |
I don't think you need random damages in minetest punching because you already have other factors like aiming |
| 20:45 |
Nosrick_ |
And kind of goes against Minetest's current damage system. |
| 20:45 |
Nosrick_ |
It wouldn't just be punching, it'd be things like fireballs, holy smite, etc. |
| 20:45 |
Hijiri |
maybe if you have a fractional damage you can simulate that with a random point of extra damage weighted bsed on the fraction |
| 20:46 |
Hijiri |
I don't think you should add randomness unless you think there is a good reason |
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| 20:52 |
Nosrick_ |
And I don't think there is a good reason. |
| 20:52 |
Hijiri |
I found a stack exchange question on the subject: https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/21331/why-use-random-numbers-when-it-comes-to-rewards-and-stats |
| 20:52 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/yT23.png https://sr.ht/o3H1.png |
| 20:53 |
Hijiri |
It says randomness is only meaningful for infrequent events with large ranges |
| 20:53 |
Hijiri |
in that case you probably don't need to build randomness into your system, because fixed damage from swords etc. will be frequent |
| 20:53 |
Hijiri |
you can just do custom random damage in spells, for example |
| 20:54 |
Hijiri |
one reason the answer implies is that risky playing can be thrilling for players |
| 20:56 |
Hijiri |
you know what would be really painful to implement |
| 20:56 |
Hijiri |
mahjong table minetest mod |
| 20:57 |
Hijiri |
but tenhou did it in actionscript so it must be achievable |
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| 21:01 |
Fixer |
Calinou: surprisingly Quassel is pretty Disk IO intensive at boot |
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| 21:15 |
Nosrick_ |
Hijiri: You know what's going to be painful to implement? Master of Magic-style cities. |
| 21:16 |
Elysian |
Hi |
| 21:16 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 21:16 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 17ms |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
oowhatt!? |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
17ms!? |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 21:17 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
that's better, more like it |
| 21:17 |
Elysian |
Ummm |
| 21:17 |
Elysian |
Uhhh |
| 21:17 |
Nosrick_ |
Oh no, double digit ping! ;) |
| 21:17 |
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| 21:17 |
Elysian |
Is my chat visible? |
| 21:17 |
Megaf |
meh, Megaf Server ping used to be around 2ms |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
I actually think 8ms pretty huge |
| 21:18 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah, we can see you, Elysian |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
And I never managed to track down what caused this huge increase |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
YES! |
| 21:18 |
Megaf |
Elysian: I can read you too |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
^_^ |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
Hooray. |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
I though I was majorly laggin |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
But I saw chat and I was like.... |
| 21:18 |
Elysian |
O_o |
| 21:19 |
Elysian |
R u guys on minetest? |
| 21:19 |
Megaf |
Nosrick_: so yeah, "Oh No! Double digit ping!" :D |
| 21:19 |
Megaf |
Elysian: Not right now |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
gonna call my mom now |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
gotta find my headphones |
| 21:20 |
Elysian |
Oh |
| 21:20 |
Calinou |
!server Calinou |
| 21:20 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms |
| 21:20 |
Elysian |
Nice to know xD |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ha! double digit ping! |
| 21:20 |
Megaf |
xP |
| 21:21 |
Elysian |
!sever Elysian |
| 21:21 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: what are MoM cities like? |
| 21:21 |
Elysian |
Meh didn't work xD |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 21:21 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
| 21:21 |
Nosrick_ |
They have population, buildings, and can produce units. |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
Calinou: and my ration players online/max users is better |
| 21:21 |
Megaf |
ratio* |
| 21:22 |
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| 21:22 |
Elysian |
!server Elysian |
| 21:22 |
MinetestBot |
Elysian: No results |
| 21:22 |
Elysian |
Brush |
| 21:22 |
Elysian |
Bruh |
| 21:22 |
Megaf |
Elysian: it will only work if you have a server named Elysian... |
| 21:22 |
Elysian |
Ooohhh |
| 21:22 |
Elysian |
*~* |
| 21:22 |
Elysian |
!server Cashes World |
| 21:22 |
MinetestBot |
Elysian: No results |
| 21:23 |
Hijiri |
seems less painful than mahjong though |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
Elysian: Calinou has its own server, and its named Calinou, I have my own server and its named Megaf Server |
| 21:23 |
Elysian |
!sever Cash's World |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
!server Cash |
| 21:23 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Cash's World | 67.212.45.191 | Clients: 25/30, 22/28 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 204ms |
| 21:23 |
Elysian |
Ok I get it I'll brb in a while |
| 21:23 |
Megaf |
there you go |
| 21:23 |
Hijiri |
mahjong as originally a board game has more complicated rules and edge cases |
| 21:23 |
Elysian |
Uh stupid bot |
| 21:24 |
Elysian |
!server Extreme |
| 21:24 |
MinetestBot |
Elysian: Extreme Survival Minetest City | 23.28.87.79 | Clients: 15/33, 16/25 | Version: 0.4.14 / extreme_survival | Ping: 126ms |
| 21:24 |
Elysian |
Yyyyeeeeaaaaaaa |
| 21:24 |
Elysian |
!server Capture |
| 21:24 |
MinetestBot |
Elysian: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 18/20, 18/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 10ms |
| 21:24 |
Nosrick_ |
True. |
| 21:25 |
Nosrick_ |
I could never get the hang of mahjong. |
| 21:25 |
Hijiri |
I never really have, but I tried to make a mahjong haskell library once |
| 21:26 |
Hijiri |
the issue with table games is that often they are full of rules that are designed to apply all over the place |
| 21:26 |
Calinou |
Elysian: fun fact: Capture the Flag (Guns!) runs on the same machine as Calinou [Europe/Paris] :) |
| 21:27 |
Hijiri |
so now your computer version needs to manage giving access to everything to rules code |
| 21:28 |
Hijiri |
ironically that kind of problem might be more practical than integrating RTS elements into Minetest though, depending on the level of detail you want |
| 21:31 |
Nosrick_ |
I'm actually going to have players lead their own armies. |
| 21:31 |
Nosrick_ |
So no real RTS elements. |
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| 21:55 |
Darkside_ |
!server The Darkside |
| 21:55 |
MinetestBot |
Darkside_: The Darkside | darkside.zapto.org:30003 | Clients: 3/13, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 208ms |
| 21:55 |
Darkside_ |
ah nice so i don't have to start MT to see ;) |
| 22:11 |
Nosrick_ |
Quick question: how do I assign new fields to an entity during registration? Every method I've tried has it coming back with nil. |
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| 22:54 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: put it in the entity definition |
| 22:54 |
Nosrick_ |
I thought so. |
| 22:54 |
Nosrick_ |
But I might be doing it wrong. |
| 22:55 |
Hijiri |
minetest.register_entity("blah", { ..., your_custom_field = blah }) |
| 22:55 |
Nosrick_ |
Yup, that's exactly what I'm doing, and it's nil. |
| 22:55 |
Hijiri |
post your code |
| 22:55 |
Hijiri |
both where you set the field and where you check for it |
| 22:56 |
Nosrick_ |
https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/bec477e314dbd13289b250a5aaf8160c |
| 22:56 |
APNG |
can I encrypt node metadata? |
| 22:57 |
Hijiri |
node metadata fields are strings, so yes |
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| 22:57 |
Nosrick_ |
There, updated. |
| 22:57 |
Hijiri |
if you mean have a node whose metadata is encrypted |
| 22:57 |
APNG |
yeah like hide it from the client |
| 22:57 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: in punch callbacks the hitter and target are ObjectRef |
| 22:58 |
Hijiri |
ObjectRef can either be a player or an entity |
| 22:58 |
Hijiri |
to get a luaentity you need to do objectref:get_luaentity() |
| 22:58 |
Hijiri |
which will be nil if it's a player, otherwise it will be the luaentity |
| 22:58 |
Hijiri |
that is where all the extra fields go |
| 22:58 |
Hijiri |
not the ObjectRef |
| 22:58 |
Nosrick_ |
Ah, okay! |
| 22:59 |
Hijiri |
APNG: yeah, but you will have to encrypt it when you call set_whatever |
| 22:59 |
Hijiri |
and decrypt it after calling get_whatever |
| 22:59 |
Hijiri |
actually set_string and get_string, because you will probably be encrypting to a string |
| 22:59 |
Hijiri |
if it's a number you could encrypt the number by applying some function I guess |
| 23:02 |
Hijiri |
APNG: make sure each world uses a different crypto key |
| 23:02 |
APNG |
Hijiri, yes |
| 23:09 |
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| 23:15 |
Nosrick_ |
Hijiri: it's still coming up as nil. |
| 23:16 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: post new code? |
| 23:17 |
Nosrick_ |
https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/bec477e314dbd13289b250a5aaf8160c |
| 23:22 |
Hijiri |
it says creatureType is nil? |
| 23:22 |
Nosrick_ |
Yup. |
| 23:23 |
Hijiri |
you tried printing the value of creatureType? |
| 23:23 |
Nosrick_ |
nil every time |
| 23:23 |
Nosrick_ |
Only way I can get it to not be nil is to modify the minetest.registered_entities. |
| 23:23 |
Hijiri |
that's strange, it should already be in the definition |
| 23:24 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah, it should. |
| 23:25 |
Hijiri |
is your entire mod anywhere so someone can test it? |
| 23:28 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah, I'll get the github for you. |
| 23:29 |
Nosrick_ |
https://github.com/Nosrick/MoMTest |
| 23:29 |
Hijiri |
thanks |
| 23:29 |
Nosrick_ |
It's creative-only at the moment, though. |
| 23:29 |
Hijiri |
eclipse? |
| 23:29 |
Nosrick_ |
You'll want to put down nodes of magic and right-click them with the wooden wand to set them to be owned by you. |
| 23:29 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah. |
| 23:30 |
Hijiri |
just a note, it's convention for all the mod stuff to be in the top level folder so it's easier to unpack |
| 23:30 |
Hijiri |
if you did that everything in your src folder would be at the top level |
| 23:31 |
Hijiri |
don't change it right now though |
| 23:32 |
Hijiri |
what is your mod name? |
| 23:32 |
Hijiri |
your mod folder needs to either be the mod name, or you need a mod.conf specifying the mod name |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
I renamed it momtest for now |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
it looks like your stuff has craft recipes |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
are fonts of magic nodes of magic? |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
should I see anything happen when I right click them with the wand? |
| 23:35 |
Hijiri |
also what do I do to trigger your bug |
| 23:37 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: how is your zombie supposed to attack anyone when it doesn't have any code to attack? |
| 23:37 |
Hijiri |
(looking at the gist, haven't looked at mod code yet) |
| 23:37 |
Nosrick_ |
Ah, it does. It has an on_punch assignment that I excluded because I felt it wasn't relevant. |
| 23:37 |
Nosrick_ |
I could stick it in, if you like. |
| 23:38 |
Nosrick_ |
Sorry for the slow reply, was getting a burg out of the oven. |
| 23:38 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: so is it punching the mob that triggers the bug? |
| 23:38 |
Hijiri |
or is it getting punched by the mob |
| 23:38 |
Nosrick_ |
So, nodes of magic just look like stone blocks. It's easier to search "magic" than it is to find them. |
| 23:39 |
Nosrick_ |
It's getting punched, while having Bless on you. |
| 23:39 |
Nosrick_ |
Getting punched by a zombie, specifically. |
| 23:39 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: I'm looking at your code, there is no on_punch for the zombie |
| 23:39 |
Hijiri |
is it assigned somewhere other than zombieEntity.lua? |
| 23:40 |
Nosrick_ |
No, it's in there, right at the bottom (or should be) |
| 23:40 |
Hijiri |
after line 35 onPunch will be nil |
| 23:40 |
Nosrick_ |
Damn, okay. |
| 23:40 |
Nosrick_ |
Although it works, for some reason. |
| 23:40 |
Hijiri |
because minetest.registered_entities["momtest:zombie"].on_punch is not set |
| 23:40 |
Nosrick_ |
It actually is, by the mobs mod. |
| 23:41 |
Hijiri |
I don't see anywhere you use the mobs mod with momtest:zombie |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
that's weird, it does attack me |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
I'll have to look through again |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
can mobs operate on entities not created with mobs.register_mob? |
| 23:43 |
Nosrick_ |
I actually do register it using mobs.register_mob |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 23:43 |
Nosrick_ |
My momtest.register_entity is just a wrapper. |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
I see, it's momtest:register_entity |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
not minetest |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
that was my mistake |
| 23:43 |
Nosrick_ |
(Which previously held some functionality to set the creatureType) |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick_: I need the bless book? |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
(which you didn't mention) |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
sorry |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
you did |
| 23:47 |
Hijiri |
I should just stop |
| 23:48 |
Hijiri |
(not stop helping) |
| 23:48 |
Hijiri |
well you didn't mention the book, but you mentioned bless, which I missed |
| 23:48 |
Nosrick_ |
Ah, sorry. |
| 23:50 |
Hijiri |
are you sure you printed out the value of creatureType? |
| 23:50 |
Hijiri |
because I don't think it reaches that code at all |
| 23:51 |
Hijiri |
if so then I spent 27 minutes on the assumption that it was confirmed nil |
| 23:51 |
Hijiri |
it's printing nothing for me |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
oh, it is printing |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
but it's not nil |
| 23:52 |
Hijiri |
it's death |
| 23:53 |
Hijiri |
it looks like that piece of code iss working |
| 23:54 |
Hijiri |
I think I'm out of mana now |
| 23:54 |
Nosrick_ |
Huh, weird. |
| 23:55 |
Hijiri |
I am taking one heart with bless on |
| 23:55 |
Hijiri |
and two hearts without it |
| 23:55 |
Hijiri |
is that the expected behavior? |
| 23:56 |
Nosrick_ |
No, that's an old version. Let me update, hang on. |
| 23:56 |
Nosrick_ |
Sorry, I'm really disorganised these days. |
| 23:57 |
Nosrick_ |
I just realised you're running the code that works; it takes the creatureType from the registry, not the passed in instance. |
| 23:57 |
Hijiri |
ok, I'll switch it to do that instead |
| 23:58 |
Nosrick_ |
I just updated the mod, so you can pull it if you like. |
| 23:58 |
Nosrick_ |
And it's got the .git in the right place now :) |
| 23:58 |
Hijiri |
.git? |
| 23:59 |
Nosrick_ |
The git information folder. |
| 23:59 |
Hijiri |
oh, you mean in src |
| 23:59 |
Nosrick_ |
Yeah. |
