Time  Nick           Message
01:25 thePalindrome  WebP isn't all that great imo
01:26 thePalindrome  Flif is the future :P
05:52 nm0i           !server megaf
05:52 MinetestBot    nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
08:02 Calinou        thePalindrome: problem of FLIF is the license
08:03 Calinou        decoder is fine, but encoder is LGPL, which scares lots of people away
08:04 wilkgr         I'm following this tutorial to add HUD elements: http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/hud.html
08:04 wilkgr         But using that example
08:04 wilkgr         I can't run it
08:04 wilkgr         player is a nil value
08:05 wilkgr         init.lua:2: attempt to index local 'player' (a nil value)
08:05 Calinou        you added "local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("username")"
08:05 Calinou        with a correct username?
08:06 wilkgr         I changed that to singleplayer
08:06 wilkgr         (with quotation marks)
08:06 wilkgr         I WOULD c&p it if it weren't for the auto-kicker
08:07 wilkgr         local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer")
08:07 wilkgr         local idx = player:hud_add({
08:07 wilkgr         That's the first two line
08:07 wilkgr         s
08:08 wilkgr         I have "default" and "worldedit?" in the depends.txt
08:08 wilkgr         So, yes.
08:08 wilkgr         I have no idea :/
08:09 Calinou        maybe the player doesn't exist on world spawning
08:09 Calinou        you'd need to delay it using minetest.after
08:09 wilkgr         Hmmm...
08:09 wilkgr         Perhaps...
08:09 wilkgr         Yes.
08:09 wilkgr         I'll try that.
08:12 wilkgr         Yesssss...it worked.
08:12 wilkgr         Thanks Calinou :D
08:13 Calinou        np
08:13 wilkgr         :D
08:19 wilkgr         Ok I'm back with another question
08:19 wilkgr         If I have local idx = player:add_hud...etc
08:19 wilkgr         Does that mean
08:19 wilkgr         that the variable
08:19 wilkgr         exists only within the function?
08:20 wilkgr         And that I cannot modify it from somewhere else?
08:20 wilkgr         If so...How would I remedy this?
08:22 wilkgr         Would I have to use global, or something?
08:22 Calinou        local variables exist only within the function scope, yes
08:22 Calinou        or within the script
08:23 Calinou        remove local keyword, and the variable is global
08:23 Calinou        but you'll probably get warnings in Minetest console
08:23 Calinou        we do not advise using globals at all, except for "modname = {}" for example
08:23 wilkgr         Ok.
08:24 wilkgr         So...Considering I want to modify the HUD element from a command, how would I then do it?
08:24 Calinou        minetest.register_on_chat_command(…)
08:24 Calinou        I think
08:25 Calinou        it might be chatcommand, not chat_command
08:25 wilkgr         Ohhh...thanks :)
08:26 wilkgr         "Your search - minetest.register_on_chat_command - did not match any documents."
08:27 wilkgr         xD
08:27 wilkgr         There is "minetest.register_chatcommand", but does that work within functions?
08:27 Calinou        look in lua_api.txt
08:27 wilkgr         Oh, k
08:27 Calinou        it should
08:27 Calinou        oh yes, it is minetest.register_chatcommand
08:27 wilkgr         I'll try that.
08:27 Calinou        ultimately, functions are just code blocks :P
08:28 wilkgr         One last thing -
08:28 Calinou        the main thing you're not allowed to do inside them is declare other functions
08:28 wilkgr         I can use core.colorize for chat - but can I do that for HUD elements?
08:28 wilkgr         core.colorize doesn't seem to work
08:28 wilkgr         (No errors, but text is still black)
08:29 Calinou        look in lua_api, Ctrl+F for "color" :P
08:30 wilkgr         ik that would come... xD
08:31 wilkgr         "More than 100 matches"
08:32 wilkgr         It says "There are a few exceptions: tab headers, dropdowns and vertical labels can't"
08:32 wilkgr         For colors
09:08 JamesTait      Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Son and Daughter Day! 😃
09:11 Szkodnix       Good morning :) Oh, I didn't know that this kind of holiday exists :)
09:19 wilkgr         Hello JamesTait
09:20 JamesTait      👋 Szkodnix, wilkgr
09:20 wilkgr         Hullo :)
09:20 wilkgr         Wow
09:20 wilkgr         I just found out
09:20 wilkgr         that when
09:20 wilkgr         you press [ESC]
09:20 wilkgr         while on
09:20 wilkgr         an error screen
09:20 wilkgr         the whole game closes
09:20 wilkgr         rather than
09:20 wilkgr         going to
09:20 wilkgr         the main menu
09:21 JamesTait      Szkodnix, most of them are nonsense holidays. ☺
09:24 Megaf          nm0i: Hi there, the buckets mod in my server is a mod I made myself
09:24 Megaf          they are a drop in replace for default buckets mod
09:24 Megaf          You can use them as craft ingredients, for example for homedecor items and you can also craaft them if you have a water_source
09:24 Megaf          nm0i: I just granted you interact by the way
09:24 nm0i           I
09:24 nm0i           I'll probably loose it anyway.
09:25 Megaf          nm0i: a bucket or interact?
09:25 nm0i           Yes (don't ask or questions).
09:25 Megaf          lol
09:25 nm0i           What's the reasn behind wn bucket mode?..
09:26 nm0i           s/eas/&o/
09:26 Megaf          griefing. griefers love flooding everything with lava and water
09:26 Megaf          And I don't know how areas mod it is now, but in the past they could even flood protected areas
09:27 nm0i           You can by making tall dirt tower
09:27 nm0i           But IIRC default bucket mod has is_protected or something check.
09:28 Megaf          yep
09:28 nm0i           I just made few overrides to remove lava, because ratio of players using lava for goot to players using lava to try to grief is nearly zero.
09:28 nm0i           s/goot/good/ >.>
09:29 Megaf          on a previous server I had, a guy joined, asked for interact, dug and mined to get things to craft a bucket, then he dug more to find a lava lake, went back to spawn and flooded the spawn with water and lava
09:30 JamesTait      That's dedication.
09:30 nm0i           "We have rollback and hourly backups" sign at spawn helped a little on previvous server, though.
09:32 Megaf          That will just be read like, "It's ok, grief at will, we can fix it later and we don't care about anyone else"
09:32 nm0i           Yeah, in the end it was so.
09:33 Megaf          a lot of work can be lost in one hour and rollback just don't work properly.
09:33 Megaf          and it takes too much disk space
09:33 Megaf          and it is very slow
09:33 nm0i           Same as making server 18+ ensures there will be only kids on it.
09:33 Megaf          brb
09:39 Megaf          LOL at www.atheros.com
09:39 Megaf          !title
09:39 MinetestBot    Megaf: HUD - Minetest Modding Book
09:39 Megaf          LOL²
09:41 wilkgr         Hi Megaf
09:42 Megaf          hey wilkgr
09:42 wilkgr         Long time no see ;)
09:42 wilkgr         What's so funny?
09:42 Megaf          yep,
09:42 Megaf          wilkgr: atheros is a big company, and the website atheros.com says it works
09:43 wilkgr         Oh.
09:43 Megaf          wilkgr: we have new players on the server, but you werent there to say welcome to them, they are agaran and Darkside_ :P
09:43 wilkgr         Hmmm
09:44 wilkgr         I'm playing around on creative on another server atm, sorry Megaf ;)
09:44 Megaf          nm0i: you new player too? perhaps I'm not seeing you there again, or am I?
09:44 wilkgr         And trying my best to explain a swear filter...
09:44 Megaf          wilkgr: I've been thinking about making a clone of the server, but this clone in creative mode
09:44 wilkgr         Let's just say it didn't go well ;)
09:44 wilkgr         Megaf, great idea!
09:45 Megaf          terrible idea,  the servers will eat each other
09:45 wilkgr         Megaf, would you be interested in a minigames server perhaps?
09:46 wilkgr         OMG there's a server called "Absolute Anarchy" xD
09:47 Megaf          wilkgr: we have some minigames
09:47 * wilkgr       slams head against wall
09:47 Megaf          players are making them
09:48 wilkgr         Oh, k
09:48 wilkgr         I'm working on one in singleplayer
09:48 wilkgr         Complete with coloured chat, etc. ;)
09:48 Megaf          Megaf Server is the most flexible server there is
09:48 wilkgr         Such as 03LEVEL FINISHED
09:48 wilkgr         Megaf, "Disclaimer: This might or might not be true at the time of publication"
09:48 wilkgr         xD
09:49 Megaf          everything is permited there, all languages, habits, dating. You are just now allowed to cause harm in Megaf Server
09:49 Megaf          apart from that, you can build and do anything you want
09:49 wilkgr         True...
09:49 Megaf          want to build a freaking roller coester, do it, space station? fine
09:49 wilkgr         I thought PvP (if agreed) is allowed though...?
09:50 Megaf          a castle for a PVP area? That's ok
09:50 Megaf          are you Japanese and wants to speak Russian? That's lovely
09:50 wilkgr         Space station is what you're doing, with the mod I made for you
09:50 wilkgr         (hint hint, nudge nudge)
09:50 wilkgr         xD
09:50 Megaf          PVP is allowed yes, if agreed
09:50 Megaf          by both parts
09:51 wilkgr         I saw something on another server
09:51 wilkgr         that PvP is disabled outside
09:51 wilkgr         arenas
09:51 wilkgr         So that it actually is impossible to PvP outside...
09:51 wilkgr         Or you can go into PvP mode
09:51 wilkgr         (which everyone can see)
09:51 wilkgr         And then you can hit & take damage from others
09:54 Megaf          All this stuff adds unnecessary complixity
09:55 * wilkgr       shakes head
09:56 nm0i           Megaf: I've been on your server at least year ago, I think.
09:56 nm0i           So not new. Just did nthing.
10:06 wilkgr         ^^ Same nm0i ;)
10:09 Megaf          nm0i: I remember
11:07 Megaf          cya, wbbl (See You) (I Will  Be Back Later)
11:08 Krock          k gj cyal
11:19 Megaf          folks, my w3m is broken
11:19 Megaf          aix: ^
11:19 aix            ah well
11:20 Megaf          w3m text browser showing images and shit http://uploadpie.com/aViXX
11:23 Megaf          Thankfully duckduckgo still fine http://uploadpie.com/fB571
11:35 * Megaf        trying to figure out why thunderbird no longer open links itself, instead it opens link on external browser
11:38 aix            okay so i'm setting up my own email, ftp and xmpp servers
11:38 aix            should be fun
11:38 Krock          that's funny because thunderbird is basically firefox
11:39 aix            ^
11:39 aix            it literally is
11:39 Darkside_      i guess Opera too
11:39 aix            uhm no
11:39 aix            Opera is great
11:39 aix            sort of
11:40 Megaf          Krock: the funnier thing is there is a browser extension for thunderbird
11:40 Megaf          aix: up to 11.x yes
11:40 Megaf          used to be my default browser from Opera 3.x to 12.x
11:40 aix            does <user>@<user>.tld look wierd as an email?
11:40 Megaf          [12:38:44] <aix> okay so i'm setting up my own email, ftp and xmpp servers
11:40 aix            yeah
11:40 Megaf          been there myself
11:40 aix            email is done
11:41 aix            pretty hard
11:41 Darkside_      haha ok i never took a closer look at it, good to know for future if i need browser ;)
11:41 aix            rest is childsplay
11:41 aix            Megaf: wait you've done all three?
11:41 Megaf          now a days I just install potifx so my websites can send email
11:41 Megaf          aix: yep, including the web mail thing, used squirrel mail
11:41 aix            uhm
11:41 Megaf          for ftp used proftpd
11:41 aix            i used postfix+dovecot
11:41 aix            and no silly php apps
11:41 aix            squirrel mail is php right
11:42 Megaf          for xmpp, the most fun part, the livefire or wildfire or whatever they call it today
11:42 Darkside_      i use filezilla for ftp :)
11:42 Megaf          for me the best xmpp server
11:42 aix            Darkside_: I use lftp :P
11:42 Megaf          fantastic web panel to administer it, easy integration (automatic) with other xmpp servers
11:42 aix            ew
11:42 Megaf          I used to add my gtalk friends on my own xmpp server account
11:43 aix            it's openfire
11:43 aix            it's nice but it hogs resources like
11:43 Megaf          yep
11:43 Megaf          nope
11:43 Megaf          it doesnt, it runs fine on little hardware
11:43 Megaf          or used to
11:43 Megaf          since its java, you can control the amount of memory it can take
11:44 Megaf          I should add OpenFire to my CV
11:44 Megaf          Or should I?
11:44 aix            uhrm no
11:44 aix            it's not too hard to use
11:44 aix            I much prefer Prosody
11:45 Calinou        console.log("Hello world!")
11:45 * Calinou      adds Node.js to his resume
11:45 MattJ100       o/
11:45 Megaf          lol
11:45 Megaf          23 minutes left on 12% battery, that's bad isnt it?
11:45 Calinou        acceptable, but not very high
11:46 Calinou        <Megaf> for ftp used proftpd
11:46 Calinou        apparently, proftpd is not in Arch Linux ARM
11:46 Calinou        so I use vsftpd there
11:46 Megaf          I begun messing with protpd back on Mandriva 2005
11:46 aix            i'm a pure-ftpd guy
11:46 Calinou        proftpd is what we learned at uni in 1st semester
11:46 Calinou        wow, was hard, uncommenting a line in /etc/proftpd.conf
11:46 Megaf          then used a bit on Debian Squeeze. now a days rsync it is
11:47 Megaf          I use SSH for everything now a days, to open a remote folder on a graphical file manager, to send individual files, for VPN and tunnel things
11:47 Megaf          and for remote administration
11:48 Megaf          no need for SAMBA, FTP, VNC and things like that
11:48 Megaf          SSH does it all
11:48 Calinou        SFTP/SSHFS are great
11:48 Calinou        but sshfs does not have good Windows support
11:48 Megaf          no need for SAMBA, FTP, VNC, VPN and things like that
11:48 Megaf          I don't use Windows ....
11:48 Calinou        good for you :p
11:49 Megaf          and when I'm obligated to use it, because of something, FileZilla as SSH client it is
11:49 Megaf          SFTP*
11:49 aix            WinSCP FTW
11:49 Megaf          or that
11:49 Calinou        FileZilla is nice, even though it's full of ads now :p
11:49 Calinou        (its updates are "sponsored" now)
11:49 aix            *gasp*
11:49 Megaf          really?
11:49 Megaf          Oo
11:49 Megaf          Time to fork it
11:49 Megaf          :P
11:49 Calinou        yep
11:49 Calinou        or create a new, Qt-based FTP client
11:49 Calinou        my KDE would be happier with that
11:50 Megaf          It would be nice if we could get the core of FileZilla and drop a Qt interface on ti
11:51 Calinou        why? just use standard FTP libraries/clients
11:51 Megaf          Calinou: because you want KDE thing
11:51 Megaf          that's why
11:51 Megaf          20 minutes at 9%, only Qassel running and mpv playing flac
11:52 Megaf          brightness almost minimal
11:52 Calinou        FLAC decoding is relatively expensive
11:52 Megaf          Playing: Twenty One Pilots - Blurryface (2015) [FLAC]/02 - Stressed Out.flac
11:52 Megaf          :)
11:53 Calinou        here, listening to "Running From Evil - Andrey Avkhimovich - Doom 2 Soundtrack Rebuild" :p
11:53 Megaf          ok, put my cores in powersave and disable one core, now I have a one core CPU at 1 GHz
11:53 Calinou        with Clementine
11:54 Megaf          Playing: ACDC - Are You Ready-The Very Best Of (2016) 2CD MP3/CD 1/01. Thunderstruck.mp3
11:55 Megaf          :D
11:55 Calinou        Thunderstruck, that's a Quake 3 map
11:55 Calinou        (unofficial, was ported to Quake Live too)
11:55 Calinou        also in Sauerbraten as sauerstruck
11:55 Megaf          17 minutes left at 9%, powersave and singlecore didng help much
11:55 Megaf          didnt*
11:57 Megaf          "The battery reports a discharge rate of 7.99 W"
11:59 Megaf          one thing that uses lots of battery is the wifi chip
11:59 Megaf          I think the driver doesnt support powersaving
12:00 Megaf          brb, changing DMs
12:02 Megaf          I think quassel is not a good choice for low energy use
12:03 Calinou        try irssi for that :p
12:04 Megaf          lol, I closed GNOME and came to LXDE, battery use is 2% higher
12:05 Megaf          I wish the Linux kernel had some of the cleverness for macOS kernel in power saving
12:06 Megaf          anyway, will hibernate this thing and clean the laptop
12:06 Calinou        few people use Linux on desktops currently
12:06 Calinou        it is on the rise, but still under 3%
12:06 Calinou        (by desktops, I also mean laptops)
12:07 Darkside_      i have linux on me laptop and works great :))
12:07 Calinou        it works like crap on all laptops I've had
12:07 Calinou        suspend does not work reliably, battery life isn't as good
12:07 Calinou        those are non-issues on desktop machines, so I can use Linux just fine on desktops
12:07 Calinou        oh, I've had *one* laptop where suspend was reliable
12:08 Calinou        but it had no dedicated graphics
12:08 Calinou        it was a really tiny netbook
12:10 Fixer          Calinou: filezilla has ads? I use portable one and did not see anything
12:11 Calinou        Fixer: the update dialog is now sponsored
12:12 Calinou        currently by Dreamhost
12:12 Fixer          i somewhat dislike its interface
12:12 aix            okay so i set up an ftp share
12:15 Darkside_      OS i use atm : Linux 3.18.1-pclos1 (PClinuxOS) KDE SC version 4.14.10 Processor(s) Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU  P8600  @ 2.40GHz OpenGL/ES version 3.0 Mesa 11.1.1 Render : Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV620 (DRM 2.40.0, LLVM 3.7.0)
12:16 Calinou        that's old (both Linux and kDE)
12:16 Darkside_      kernel: unknown lol
12:16 Calinou        Mesa 11, too :p
12:16 Calinou        try this distro, when you got some time: http://antergos.com/
12:20 Darkside_      wil do, theres still a computer or two that need some hardware fixes and a proper OS :)
12:30 shamoanjac     does anyone know how to document Lua with Doxygen?
12:30 shamoanjac     I'm not finding official docs on it
12:40 nuzzle         shamoanjac: doxygen is dreadful. check out LPen or how it was named
12:40 nuzzle         LDoc
12:40 nuzzle         Penlight was the utility library
12:41 nuzzle         http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html
12:41 nuzzle         that's how it looks
12:43 shamoanjac     prrpx, stfu
12:43 prr            no u
12:43 shamoanjac     no
12:43 shamoanjac     Y
12:43 shamoanjac     O
12:43 shamoanjac     U
12:43 prr            http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html
12:43 prr            http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/index.html
12:43 prr            listen to me for once
12:43 prr            o.n.c.e.
12:45 prrpx          http://stevedonovan.github.io/Penlight/api/libraries/pl.strict.html#
12:45 prrpx          9>The pl.strict module enforces a simple rule: globals must be 'declared'. This means that they must be assigned before use; assigning to nil is sufficient.
12:45 shamoanjac     prrpx, this is fucking
12:45 shamoanjac     not what I want
12:46 prrpx          no but it's what i want
12:46 prrpx          i think i'm actually gone use this
12:47 prrpx          each time i see even part of a doxygen page i wanna tear my eyes out
12:47 shamoanjac     do it fgt
12:47 prrpx          every css line, every html tag it generates
12:48 prrpx          is raping my soul
12:48 Krock          aagh prrpx, why this eyecancer?
12:48 prrpx          it's not perfect but better than doxygen
12:48 prrpx          because literally everything is better than doxygen
12:50 shamoanjac     u just a hipster lol
12:52 prrpx          @defgroup stfu stfu
12:54 prrpx          true programmers
12:54 prrpx          don't use external documentation
12:55 prrpx          they read headers and only headers and when in doubt they read the sources
12:55 agrecascino    shamoanjac, hey
12:59 aix            my 11th xmpp account is up
12:59 aix            how fun
13:00 shamoanjac     hey agrecascino
13:01 agrecascino    so i had to block the entirety of china yesterday
13:02 Krock          it's interesting how much 17 users make. With 120 users it was always quiet and now there's almost no silence anymore
13:03 Krock          *how much difference 17
13:04 Nosrick        Hey ho folks.
13:05 aix            hi
13:06 Darkside_      hi
13:06 Krock          hey ho Nosrick
13:09 Nosrick        Today, I think I'll work on my research system.
13:09 Nosrick        I was thinking of making a game like Candy Crush or something as a mini-game alternative to just waiting for things to complete.
13:10 Krock          oh god please no
13:11 Krock          this must wait for entity nodes (moveable and attachable etc), otherwise these updates would lag incredibly
13:12 Nosrick        Oh, I was going to make it a GUI game.
13:33 Megaf          Why can't at least two players be on my server at the same time?
13:33 Megaf          there's always one player that is playing a long for hours
13:34 Megaf          s/a long/alone
13:34 Megaf          !server Megaf
13:34 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
13:37 Nosrick        Is there any way to get a unique ID for a mob?
13:38 Krock          add another param to the definition and put a random value in
13:38 Nosrick        I thought that might be the case.
13:39 Nosrick        Looks like I'm not going to have any dependencies for my mod, since it'll be cobbled together from my shitty take on other mods!
13:39 Nosrick        I was using playereffects, but the fact is, it doesn't actually allow for non-players to have effects.
13:39 Out`Of`Control hi
13:40 Nosrick        So casting your spells on non-players is a no-no with that.
13:40 Krock          hi Out`Of`Control
13:40 Nosrick        Hello!
13:40 Out`Of`Control anyone here use screen?
13:40 Megaf          Out`Of`Control: I do
13:41 Calinou        me too
13:41 Calinou        24", Full HD
13:41 Calinou        :]
13:41 Out`Of`Control Megaf: do you use any script to open tabs?
13:41 Out`Of`Control Calinou: 27 inch :P
13:41 Megaf          Out`Of`Control: oh, no
13:42 Krock          17" here
13:43 Nosrick        Poor Little Krock
13:43 Krock          it's not little at all
13:44 Nosrick        I will resist a joke here.
13:44 Nosrick        And just smooth over it.
13:44 Krock          no, jokes are good
13:44 Krock          gonna sharpen it again
13:45 Out`Of`Control my backup 19 CRT
13:45 Out`Of`Control anyone know what is CRT?
13:45 Out`Of`Control lol
13:45 Nosrick        I do!
13:45 Krock          yes sure
13:45 Nosrick        We're not all kiddies here.
13:45 Krock          I've got a ~13" one on my other table
13:45 Nosrick        In fact, I'm betting most of us are pretty old compared to Minecraft's community base.
13:46 Nosrick        But that's not hard.
13:46 Krock          that's illusion
13:46 Krock          look into the MC channels on esper net and you'll see that IRC is a good filter
13:46 Calinou        Minecraft players used to not be kids
13:47 Calinou        back in Alpha era
13:47 Calinou        but since Beta, it's all kids :P
13:47 Calinou        also, that ^
13:50 Nosrick        How would I go about getting all entities in an area?
13:50 Nosrick        minetest.get_objects_inside_radius()?
13:51 Calinou        yes
14:03 aix            https://sr.ht/fxA9.png i think i aliased out the default stone
14:05 agrecascino    http://pastebin.com/ds3FCHm9
14:05 agrecascino    this is definitely the prettiest thing i've ever wrote
14:09 Krock          use perl
14:19 aix            ew
16:39 aix            https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-invsee any way to easily allow taking the contents of the inventory?
16:42 Krock          aix, invsee only does a copy of the player's inventory
16:43 aix            oh
16:43 Krock          it's not a direct reference
16:50 Wuzzy          ok, who of you has admin access to dev.minetest.net?
16:51 shangul        hi
16:51 Krock          Wuzzy, you can request an acocunt on the forums or PM Calinou
16:51 Krock          *account
16:52 Wuzzy          answer the question please
16:52 Krock          I do
16:52 Krock          err
16:52 Krock          not admin access
16:52 Krock          sorry but you can still ask Calinou ;)
16:52 Wuzzy          does Calinou have admin access?
16:53 Krock          he can create account so he must, yes.
16:53 Wuzzy          ok
16:53 Krock          Oh great. Can't read and can't write properly today
16:53 Wuzzy          I already have an account.
16:53 Wuzzy          I ask for a different reason.
16:53 Wuzzy          I want some pages to pop up on main page
16:54 Wuzzy          hey, Calinou, you there?
16:54 Wuzzy          argh, crap
16:54 Wuzzy          dev wiki is broken at the moment
16:54 Wuzzy          i cant even edit pages
16:55 Wuzzy          error 500 >_>
16:55 Krock          works fine here
16:55 Wuzzy          which means its not my fault :)
16:56 Wuzzy          maybe MediaWiki needs updating
16:58 Wuzzy          Is Calinou the only admin of dev.minetest.net?
17:06 Krock          I have no idea
17:10 Calinou        hi
17:10 Calinou        Wuzzy: I'm admin on both yes
17:10 Wuzzy          ok whats that about with error 500 when I try to edit Mod interoperability? >_>
17:10 shangul        hi colang
17:11 Wuzzy          do you have it in logs or somewhere?
17:11 Calinou        Wuzzy: does the error 500 happen when submitting the edit?
17:11 Calinou        I don't have access to server log
17:11 Wuzzy          yes
17:11 Wuzzy          oh crap
17:11 Calinou        ok, I can open the edit page
17:11 Wuzzy          I just tried to add 1 line
17:11 Wuzzy          namely, “[[Category:Misc]]” at the end
17:12 Wuzzy          now you can try to reproduce it
17:12 Wuzzy          btw: no access to the freaking logs? what sick world do we live in??
17:13 Calinou        "500 Internal Server Error" indeed, I can reproduce it :(
17:13 Calinou        well technically I'm moderator, not administrator :p
17:13 Wuzzy          ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:13 Wuzzy          ok can you edit the main page at least?
17:13 Wuzzy          I would like to have that page I mentioned placed more prominently
17:14 Calinou        ok
17:14 Wuzzy          currently it is very invisible, not linked anywhere in wiki (or almost not, idk)
17:14 Wuzzy          and i dont know where else to put links
17:14 Calinou        http://dev.minetest.net/Template:Main_Content_Links
17:14 Calinou        done
17:14 Calinou        just above "Modding FAQ"
17:14 Wuzzy          thx
17:15 Calinou        I'll move Misc articles down too
17:17 Wuzzy          interoperability is very important to me, especially the modding community should at least *try* to combat duplicate/redundant APIs and the like ;-)
17:23 MinetestBot    02[git] 04Rogier-5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Use the standard to_string() functions for C++11 (#4279) 13b11720a https://git.io/v6B6W (152016-08-11T19:22:40+02:00)
17:35 agrecascino    anyone want to help me write a client for an an IRC like protocol
17:36 KaadmY         agrecascino: nope, busy enough with my own atm
17:43 Krock          KaadmY, you're writing an IRC-like protocol aswell?
17:44 KaadmY         Krock: for a game :P
17:45 KaadmY         networking mainly
17:45 KaadmY         not really a specific protocol
17:45 APNG           why not just use CTCP >.>
17:45 APNG           (or IRCv3 if you're stupid)
17:47 agrecascino    APNG, can you help me write my client?
17:47 agrecascino    i'm too lazy to
17:47 APNG           no
17:47 APNG           just use IRC
17:47 agrecascino    can't
17:47 APNG           and add CTCP/IRCv3 on top
17:47 Krock          this reminds me of my script language I wanted to write.. eww, I feel this will never get done
17:48 APNG           agrecascino, https://github.com/SoniEx2/CTCP-S
17:48 agrecascino    APNG, i can't
17:48 APNG           agrecascino, why not?
17:48 agrecascino    it needs to run over wanp
17:48 agrecascino    wamp*
17:48 Krock          agrecascino, get a coffee and nice background music and let the motivation in
17:48 APNG           what's wamp?
17:48 agrecascino    Web Application Messaging Protocol
17:48 APNG           websockets?
17:49 agrecascino    it runs over websocket
17:49 APNG           meh
17:49 APNG           just use raw websockets
17:49 agrecascino    i'm doing it for an internship :\
17:50 APNG           oh
17:50 APNG           meh
17:50 agrecascino    i'm writing a client in javascript
17:51 * agrecascino  continues to bolt features onto the server to waste time
17:52 Krock          usain bolt?
17:52 agrecascino    Krock, a metal pin or bar, in particular.
17:54 Krock          collectgarbage("collect")
17:54 Krock          (before this drives off-way)
17:58 Krock          KaadmY, pay attention to https://xkcd.com/1354/
17:59 KaadmY         Krock: true
18:00 Hijiri         Nosrick: you could write an entity effects system :P
18:00 Hijiri         it would require definition support though
18:02 Nosrick        Yeah, I think I will.
18:04 Hijiri         you could use it alongside playereffects
18:04 Hijiri         unless you want to write a player effects system too
18:04 Hijiri         a similar API for entities would be possible since effect definitions are static
18:40 APNG           what should I name my esolang?
19:04 Calinou        call it APNG
19:06 Krock          APNG() -- call APNG
19:15 agrecascino    i feel at peace with python
19:15 agrecascino    i understand why people don't hate this lanuage
19:15 agrecascino    language*
19:15 Krock          I don't like python
19:16 Krock          either you do it for 2.x or 3.x and when you've done your script someone requests it for the other version
19:23 aix            i do it for 2.
19:23 aix            3. sucks
19:23 aix            i like print
19:23 aix            print() is wierd
19:23 aix            also if
19:24 Calinou        agrecascino: it's not renowned for its speed
19:28 agrecascino    prrpx, i also finally understand rust
19:28 agrecascino    you abuse the fuck out of singletons and pass-by-reference
19:28 prrpx          ahahahahaha
19:28 prrpx          no, no singletons
19:28 prrpx          you don't do singletons
19:28 prrpx          singletons are cancer
19:28 prrpx          except in rare cases
19:29 prrpx          rare cases like
19:30 prrpx          stdout and stderr
19:30 Calinou        singletons are love, singletons are life
19:30 Calinou        (in game development that is)
19:30 APNG           meh
19:30 agrecascino    prrpx, is the other half right?
19:31 prrpx          yes. ofc
19:31 agrecascino    knew it!
19:32 prrpx          is that bad?
19:32 aix            https://sr.ht/0u3r.txt
19:32 aix            only around 80KB of C to do that trick
19:36 agrecascino    prrpx, not especially
19:42 Fixer          amazingly
19:43 Fixer          pos Skype is much tougher on disk i/o than QuiteRSS which loads 300mb database
19:44 Markow         my backyard
19:44 Markow         https://twitter.com/ejmarkow/status/759765009891229696
19:44 Markow         ;)
19:45 Markow         Sort of like Minetest ;)
19:46 Fixer          minetest has deers?
19:46 Markow         Hint hint!
19:47 Markow         Minetest has tons of forest and meadows ;)
19:47 Krock          but no deers
19:48 Krock          I like that guy already now. Using OpenSource C++03 code as background :3
19:49 Markow         ;)
19:50 Markow         I also enjoy Java (ducking and hiding)
19:53 Krock          Do you wear glasses?
19:53 Krock          If not, then get some because you can't C#.
19:56 * Krock        tries to scribble trough the two messages above with a black pen
19:57 Calinou        I can C#!
19:57 Calinou        without glasses
19:57 Krock          me too :D
19:57 * Krock        high fives Calinou
19:58 Krock          but with distances > 10m it gets a bit blurred
19:59 Krock          Markow, I was like "Oh shit." when I noticed you are the user on twitter. Honestly didn't expect that even you wrote it above (haven't seen it)
19:59 Markow         ;)
20:00 Markow         Yours truly in the flesh, and digitally here ;)
20:00 Markow         lol
20:01 Fixer          I can nothing, with or without glasses
20:01 Krock          that isn't much at all, Fixer
20:01 Markow         Seriously, feels like a Minetest world here (minus deer ... doh!)
20:02 Markow         I do own a large pickaxe
20:02 Krock          yes, with plantlife, moretrees, some bushes and decorations you get a special and nature-like-looking terrain
20:02 Krock          low-end graphics cards will love it *cough*
20:03 Markow         I've got an Nvidia GF 210, nothing special, but much better than Intel Integrated graphics
20:04 Krock          Hopefully not on Linux. I think you're aware of the sentence "Nvidia, fuck you!" by Linus :P
20:04 Calinou        the NVIDIA blob doesn't support pre-Fermi cards anymore
20:04 Calinou        (since at least 2 years ago)
20:04 Markow         Actually, the proprietary driver from Nvidia, and graphics card, work awesome on Linux
20:04 Markow         At least on my machine
20:04 Krock          oh, nice to hear
20:05 Markow         But that Linus line was indeed a classic one!
20:06 Markow         Nvidia graphics support on Linux is much better than Radeon it (proprietary)
20:06 Markow         *is
20:06 Calinou        the AMD open source driver is good enough now
20:06 Calinou        if you aren't after 100% performance
20:06 Calinou        it should be stable, and provide decent OpenGL support
20:06 Calinou        there's also accelerated video decode
20:06 Calinou        and power management
20:07 Markow         It really has improved
20:08 Markow         The Nouveau driver is horrible
20:08 Calinou        even Nouveau is beginning to become usable, it's getting reclocking on Kepler/Maxwell
20:08 Calinou        Markow: join #nouveau and see :P
20:08 Markow         hehe
20:08 Calinou        some users have perfectly working reclocking on their 780 Ti
20:08 Calinou        which is still a relatively fast card today
20:09 Markow         Nvidia should simply open source their damn code for once!
20:09 Out`Of`Control what about GT710?
20:09 Calinou        not gonna happen
20:09 Calinou        Out`Of`Control: that's a Maxwell card IIRC, not sure
20:09 Calinou        it's still WIP for Maxwell, but getting there
20:09 Calinou        (kernel 4.7 just landed in Arch Linux btw)
20:09 Out`Of`Control i am on 4.6
20:10 Markow         Calinou: uname -a:  Linux galicia 4.7.0-FINAL-git-523d939-Pogorze-Karpackie-CUSTOM-KERNEL #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 14:28:22 CEST 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:10 Markow         ;)
20:10 Markow         I compile my own kernel, always
20:10 Out`Of`Control neat
20:11 Krock          I have kernel 5.1 .. but not a linux one
20:11 Markow         I'll soon be testing out 4.8 when rc2 hits
20:11 Markow         This Sunday 4.8-rc2 gets released
20:12 Markow         Krock: What kernel is that 5.1 for?
20:12 Krock          Markow, windows.
20:12 * Markow       makes an ugly face ;)
20:12 Krock          eww no.
20:13 Markow         Windows actually has a version # for their kernel?
20:13 Markow         amazing
20:13 Krock          It's the same as the internal version
20:13 Krock          actually almost all files in system32 have the same version
20:14 Markow         What's the update frequency for the MS Windows Kernel, 2x per year, less or more?
20:15 Out`Of`Control Markow:  i think no more after windows 10
20:15 Markow         lol, seriously?
20:17 Krock          It's funny that I never thought about the reason why they haven't called Windows 10, 9 instead. They skipped it because programs checked for "^Windows 9" to detect if they're on 95 or 98
20:19 Calinou        Windows 10 is 10.0.<build> IIRC
20:20 Krock          yes
20:20 Nosrick_       Anyone know why doing this: target:set_hp(target:get_hp - 0) does a full heart of damage?
20:20 Krock          * target:get_hp()
20:21 Nosrick_       Ah, woops.
20:21 Nosrick_       Sorry, I'm on nightshift, it messes with me big time.
20:21 Hijiri         Nosrick_: and it doesn't without the - 0?
20:21 Krock          it doesn't because the one heart damage is done somewhere else in your code
20:22 Nosrick_       And I think I just realised what it is.
20:23 Nosrick_       Is there any way to override the default player on_punch, rather than just add a callback?
20:24 Krock          there's a mod (shooter I believe) that adds blood particles when the player was hurt. Check that code, how it's done there
20:25 Hijiri         Nosrick_: retrun true from your register_on_punchplayer calllback
20:25 Nosrick_       Hijiri: I'll give that a shot.
20:26 Hijiri         it says this in the lua api docs
20:26 Hijiri         I thought you would have read it when you decided to use register_on_punchplayer
20:27 Nosrick_       That didn't work.
20:27 Nosrick_       It's been a few days since I last read the API docs, and my memory is complete crap.
20:28 Hijiri         maybe the docs are wrong?
20:28 Hijiri         or the implementation is broken
20:28 Hijiri         or you did something else wrong
20:29 Krock          it's always Minetest's fault. Gawd guys, this is like when Minetest crashes and you blame the OS for that
20:30 Hijiri         Nosrick_: tested just now, overriding punch damage works for me
20:30 Nosrick_       Damn it.
20:30 Nosrick_       I return true at the end of my function, is that what I'm supposed to do?
20:30 Hijiri         did you return true everywhere your function returns?
20:31 Hijiri         post your code
20:31 Nosrick_       It only returns in one place; at the end.
20:31 Hijiri         it sounds like it should work, so post your code
20:32 Nosrick_       https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/495f685b8c07259da3b7546613817b2a
20:32 Hijiri         I don't see any register_on_punchplayer
20:32 Hijiri         do you just do register_on_punchplayer(momtest.onPunchPlayer)?
20:33 Nosrick_       Yeah.
20:33 Nosrick_       Sorry, should have included that.
20:34 Hijiri         what is oldPunch
20:34 Hijiri         Nosrick_: here's your problem
20:34 Hijiri         your parameter oldPunch is where damage gets passed in
20:35 Hijiri         so "not oldPunch" evaluates to false and it goes to the else branch
20:35 Hijiri         wait, that would error
20:35 Hijiri         Nosrick_: can you post your call to register_on_punchplayer
20:35 Nosrick_       minetest.register_on_punchplayer(function(player, puncher, time_from_last_punch, tool_capabilities, dir)
20:35 Nosrick_       momtest.onPunchPlayer(player, puncher, time_from_last_punch, tool_capabilities, dir, nil)
20:35 Nosrick_       end)
20:36 Hijiri         yes, you lied about what you did
20:36 Nosrick_       It might be wrong.
20:36 Nosrick_       Yeah sorry, I hadn't looked at that bit in a while.
20:36 Hijiri         well, look at that callback
20:36 Hijiri         does it look like it's returning true anywhere?
20:36 Nosrick_       HAH
20:36 Nosrick_       I'm dumb.
20:37 Nosrick_       I need to add a return onto the start of the onPunchPlayer, don't I?
20:37 Darkside_      nah learning not dumb ;)
20:37 Hijiri         Nosrick_: no
20:37 Hijiri         you need to return true in the callback you give to register_on_punchplayer
20:37 Hijiri         here your callback is function(...) momtest.onPunchPlayer(blah) end
20:37 Hijiri         Lua's returns are always explicit
20:37 Hijiri         this callback has no return keyword in it, so will return nil
20:38 Hijiri         s/always explicit/always explicit except for nil/
20:38 Hijiri         Nosrick_: also when will oldPunch ever not be nil?
20:39 Nosrick_       When, for example, shooting overrides it.
20:39 Hijiri         overrides what
20:39 Nosrick_       A player's on_punch.
20:39 Nosrick_       Isn't that what it does?
20:39 Hijiri         where do you find a player's on_punch?
20:39 Hijiri         there is none, the place for custom punch handling is register_on_punchplayer
20:39 Nosrick_       I have no idea. I asked earlier, and someone said to check out the shooting mod.
20:39 Nosrick_       Ah, I see.
20:40 Krock          "someone"
20:40 Nosrick_       I couldn't remember who, sorry. :)
20:41 Nosrick_       Aaaand it now works. Thank you!
20:41 Krock          horray!
20:41 Nosrick_       No puny zombie can harm my Blessed self!
20:41 Krock          !next
20:41 MinetestBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
20:43 Nosrick_       Now, should I write a detailed stat system for my mobs and players, or just simplify the damage rolls to their averages?
20:43 Krock          KISS principe
20:43 Fixer          !back
20:44 Hijiri         Nosrick_: depends on what you want in your damage system
20:44 Hijiri         I guess what you want should also depend on what is good gameplay
20:44 Nosrick_       Well, a stat system would result in less reliable damage.
20:44 Nosrick_       Which I don't really like.
20:45 Hijiri         I don't think you need random damages in minetest punching because you already have other factors like aiming
20:45 Nosrick_       And kind of goes against Minetest's current damage system.
20:45 Nosrick_       It wouldn't just be punching, it'd be things like fireballs, holy smite, etc.
20:45 Hijiri         maybe if you have a fractional damage you can simulate that with a random point of extra damage weighted bsed on the fraction
20:46 Hijiri         I don't think you should add randomness unless you think there is a good reason
20:52 Nosrick_       And I don't think there is a good reason.
20:52 Hijiri         I found a stack exchange question on the subject: https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/21331/why-use-random-numbers-when-it-comes-to-rewards-and-stats
20:52 aix            https://sr.ht/yT23.png https://sr.ht/o3H1.png
20:53 Hijiri         It says randomness is only meaningful for infrequent events with large ranges
20:53 Hijiri         in that case you probably don't need to build randomness into your system, because fixed damage from swords etc. will be frequent
20:53 Hijiri         you can just do custom random damage in spells, for example
20:54 Hijiri         one reason the answer implies is that risky playing can be thrilling for players
20:56 Hijiri         you know what would be really painful to implement
20:56 Hijiri         mahjong table minetest mod
20:57 Hijiri         but tenhou did it in actionscript so it must be achievable
21:01 Fixer          Calinou: surprisingly Quassel is pretty Disk IO intensive at boot
21:15 Nosrick_       Hijiri: You know what's going to be painful to implement? Master of Magic-style cities.
21:16 Elysian        Hi
21:16 Megaf          !server Megaf
21:16 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 17ms
21:17 Megaf          oowhatt!?
21:17 Megaf          17ms!?
21:17 Megaf          !server Megaf
21:17 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
21:17 Megaf          that's better, more like it
21:17 Elysian        Ummm
21:17 Elysian        Uhhh
21:17 Nosrick_       Oh no, double digit ping! ;)
21:17 Elysian        Is my chat visible?
21:17 Megaf          meh, Megaf Server ping used to be around 2ms
21:18 Megaf          I actually think 8ms pretty huge
21:18 Nosrick_       Yeah, we can see you, Elysian
21:18 Megaf          And I never managed to track down what caused this huge increase
21:18 Elysian        YES!
21:18 Megaf          Elysian: I can read you too
21:18 Elysian        ^_^
21:18 Elysian        Hooray.
21:18 Elysian        I though I was majorly laggin
21:18 Elysian        But I saw chat and I was like....
21:18 Elysian        O_o
21:19 Elysian        R u guys on minetest?
21:19 Megaf          Nosrick_: so yeah, "Oh No! Double digit ping!" :D
21:19 Megaf          Elysian: Not right now
21:20 Megaf          gonna call my mom now
21:20 Megaf          :)
21:20 Megaf          gotta find my headphones
21:20 Elysian        Oh
21:20 Calinou        !server Calinou
21:20 MinetestBot    Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms
21:20 Elysian        Nice to know xD
21:20 Megaf          Calinou: ha! double digit ping!
21:20 Megaf          xP
21:21 Elysian        !sever Elysian
21:21 Hijiri         Nosrick_: what are MoM cities like?
21:21 Elysian        Meh didn't work xD
21:21 Megaf          lol
21:21 Megaf          !server Megaf
21:21 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
21:21 Nosrick_       They have population, buildings, and can produce units.
21:21 Megaf          Calinou: and my ration players online/max users is better
21:21 Megaf          ratio*
21:22 Elysian        !server Elysian
21:22 MinetestBot    Elysian: No results
21:22 Elysian        Brush
21:22 Elysian        Bruh
21:22 Megaf          Elysian: it will only work if you have a server named Elysian...
21:22 Elysian        Ooohhh
21:22 Elysian        *~*
21:22 Elysian        !server Cashes World
21:22 MinetestBot    Elysian: No results
21:23 Hijiri         seems less painful than mahjong though
21:23 Megaf          Elysian: Calinou has its own server, and its named Calinou, I have my own server and its named Megaf Server
21:23 Elysian        !sever Cash's World
21:23 Megaf          !server Cash
21:23 MinetestBot    Megaf: Cash's World | 67.212.45.191 | Clients: 25/30, 22/28 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 204ms
21:23 Elysian        Ok I get it I'll brb in a while
21:23 Megaf          there you go
21:23 Hijiri         mahjong as originally a board game has more complicated rules and edge cases
21:23 Elysian        Uh stupid bot
21:24 Elysian        !server Extreme
21:24 MinetestBot    Elysian: Extreme Survival Minetest City | 23.28.87.79 | Clients: 15/33, 16/25 | Version: 0.4.14 / extreme_survival | Ping: 126ms
21:24 Elysian        Yyyyeeeeaaaaaaa
21:24 Elysian        !server Capture
21:24 MinetestBot    Elysian: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 18/20, 18/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 10ms
21:24 Nosrick_       True.
21:25 Nosrick_       I could never get the hang of mahjong.
21:25 Hijiri         I never really have, but I tried to make a mahjong haskell library once
21:26 Hijiri         the issue with table games is that often they are full of rules that are designed to apply all over the place
21:26 Calinou        Elysian: fun fact: Capture the Flag (Guns!) runs on the same machine as Calinou [Europe/Paris] :)
21:27 Hijiri         so now your computer version needs to manage giving access to everything to rules code
21:28 Hijiri         ironically that kind of problem might be more practical than integrating RTS elements into Minetest though, depending on the level of detail you want
21:31 Nosrick_       I'm actually going to have players lead their own armies.
21:31 Nosrick_       So no real RTS elements.
21:55 Darkside_      !server The Darkside
21:55 MinetestBot    Darkside_: The Darkside | darkside.zapto.org:30003 | Clients: 3/13, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 208ms
21:55 Darkside_      ah nice so i don't have to start MT to see ;)
22:11 Nosrick_       Quick question: how do I assign new fields to an entity during registration? Every method I've tried has it coming back with nil.
22:54 Hijiri         Nosrick_: put it in the entity definition
22:54 Nosrick_       I thought so.
22:54 Nosrick_       But I might be doing it wrong.
22:55 Hijiri         minetest.register_entity("blah", { ..., your_custom_field = blah })
22:55 Nosrick_       Yup, that's exactly what I'm doing, and it's nil.
22:55 Hijiri         post your code
22:55 Hijiri         both where you set the field and where you check for it
22:56 Nosrick_       https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/bec477e314dbd13289b250a5aaf8160c
22:56 APNG           can I encrypt node metadata?
22:57 Hijiri         node metadata fields are strings, so yes
22:57 Nosrick_       There, updated.
22:57 Hijiri         if you mean have a node whose metadata is encrypted
22:57 APNG           yeah like hide it from the client
22:57 Hijiri         Nosrick_: in punch callbacks the hitter and target are ObjectRef
22:58 Hijiri         ObjectRef can either be a player or an entity
22:58 Hijiri         to get a luaentity you need to do objectref:get_luaentity()
22:58 Hijiri         which will be nil if it's a player, otherwise it will be the luaentity
22:58 Hijiri         that is where all the extra fields go
22:58 Hijiri         not the ObjectRef
22:58 Nosrick_       Ah, okay!
22:59 Hijiri         APNG: yeah, but you will have to encrypt it when you call set_whatever
22:59 Hijiri         and decrypt it after calling get_whatever
22:59 Hijiri         actually set_string and get_string, because you will probably be encrypting to a string
22:59 Hijiri         if it's a number you could encrypt the number by applying some function I guess
23:02 Hijiri         APNG: make sure each world uses a different crypto key
23:02 APNG           Hijiri, yes
23:15 Nosrick_       Hijiri: it's still coming up as nil.
23:16 Hijiri         Nosrick_: post new code?
23:17 Nosrick_       https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/bec477e314dbd13289b250a5aaf8160c
23:22 Hijiri         it says creatureType is nil?
23:22 Nosrick_       Yup.
23:23 Hijiri         you tried printing the value of creatureType?
23:23 Nosrick_       nil every time
23:23 Nosrick_       Only way I can get it to not be nil is to modify the minetest.registered_entities.
23:23 Hijiri         that's strange, it should already be in the definition
23:24 Nosrick_       Yeah, it should.
23:25 Hijiri         is your entire mod anywhere so someone can test it?
23:28 Nosrick_       Yeah, I'll get the github for you.
23:29 Nosrick_       https://github.com/Nosrick/MoMTest
23:29 Hijiri         thanks
23:29 Nosrick_       It's creative-only at the moment, though.
23:29 Hijiri         eclipse?
23:29 Nosrick_       You'll want to put down nodes of magic and right-click them with the wooden wand to set them to be owned by you.
23:29 Nosrick_       Yeah.
23:30 Hijiri         just a note, it's convention for all the mod stuff to be in the top level folder so it's easier to unpack
23:30 Hijiri         if you did that everything in your src folder would be at the top level
23:31 Hijiri         don't change it right now though
23:32 Hijiri         what is your mod name?
23:32 Hijiri         your mod folder needs to either be the mod name, or you need a mod.conf specifying the mod name
23:34 Hijiri         I renamed it momtest for now
23:34 Hijiri         it looks like your stuff has craft recipes
23:34 Hijiri         are fonts of magic nodes of magic?
23:34 Hijiri         should I see anything happen when I right click them with the wand?
23:35 Hijiri         also what do I do to trigger your bug
23:37 Hijiri         Nosrick_: how is your zombie supposed to attack anyone when it doesn't have any code to attack?
23:37 Hijiri         (looking at the gist, haven't looked at mod code yet)
23:37 Nosrick_       Ah, it does. It has an on_punch assignment that I excluded because I felt it wasn't relevant.
23:37 Nosrick_       I could stick it in, if you like.
23:38 Nosrick_       Sorry for the slow reply, was getting a burg out of the oven.
23:38 Hijiri         Nosrick_: so is it punching the mob that triggers the bug?
23:38 Hijiri         or is it getting punched by the mob
23:38 Nosrick_       So, nodes of magic just look like stone blocks. It's easier to search "magic" than it is to find them.
23:39 Nosrick_       It's getting punched, while having Bless on you.
23:39 Nosrick_       Getting punched by a zombie, specifically.
23:39 Hijiri         Nosrick_: I'm looking at your code, there is no on_punch for the zombie
23:39 Hijiri         is it assigned somewhere other than zombieEntity.lua?
23:40 Nosrick_       No, it's in there, right at the bottom (or should be)
23:40 Hijiri         after line 35 onPunch will be nil
23:40 Nosrick_       Damn, okay.
23:40 Nosrick_       Although it works, for some reason.
23:40 Hijiri         because minetest.registered_entities["momtest:zombie"].on_punch is not set
23:40 Nosrick_       It actually is, by the mobs mod.
23:41 Hijiri         I don't see anywhere you use the mobs mod with momtest:zombie
23:42 Hijiri         that's weird, it does attack me
23:42 Hijiri         I'll have to look through again
23:43 Hijiri         can mobs operate on entities not created with mobs.register_mob?
23:43 Nosrick_       I actually do register it using mobs.register_mob
23:43 Hijiri         oh
23:43 Nosrick_       My momtest.register_entity is just a wrapper.
23:43 Hijiri         I see, it's momtest:register_entity
23:43 Hijiri         not minetest
23:43 Hijiri         that was my mistake
23:43 Nosrick_       (Which previously held some functionality to set the creatureType)
23:47 Hijiri         Nosrick_: I need the bless book?
23:47 Hijiri         (which you didn't mention)
23:47 Hijiri         oh
23:47 Hijiri         sorry
23:47 Hijiri         you did
23:47 Hijiri         I should just stop
23:48 Hijiri         (not stop helping)
23:48 Hijiri         well you didn't mention the book, but you mentioned bless, which I missed
23:48 Nosrick_       Ah, sorry.
23:50 Hijiri         are you sure you printed out the value of creatureType?
23:50 Hijiri         because I don't think it reaches that code at all
23:51 Hijiri         if so then I spent 27 minutes on the assumption that it was confirmed nil
23:51 Hijiri         it's printing nothing for me
23:52 Hijiri         oh, it is printing
23:52 Hijiri         but it's not nil
23:52 Hijiri         it's death
23:53 Hijiri         it looks like that piece of code iss working
23:54 Hijiri         I think I'm out of mana now
23:54 Nosrick_       Huh, weird.
23:55 Hijiri         I am taking one heart with bless on
23:55 Hijiri         and two hearts without it
23:55 Hijiri         is that the expected behavior?
23:56 Nosrick_       No, that's an old version. Let me update, hang on.
23:56 Nosrick_       Sorry, I'm really disorganised these days.
23:57 Nosrick_       I just realised you're running the code that works; it takes the creatureType from the registry, not the passed in instance.
23:57 Hijiri         ok, I'll switch it to do that instead
23:58 Nosrick_       I just updated the mod, so you can pull it if you like.
23:58 Nosrick_       And it's got the .git in the right place now :)
23:58 Hijiri         .git?
23:59 Nosrick_       The git information folder.
23:59 Hijiri         oh, you mean in src
23:59 Nosrick_       Yeah.