| Time |
Nick |
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| 00:00 |
agrecascino |
JavaRefriedBeanFactoryBean |
| 00:00 |
betterthanyou710 |
great :) |
| 00:02 |
nolsen |
Hijiri: Do you notice a loading time increase with HTTP download? |
| 00:02 |
nolsen |
er, HTTPS |
| 00:02 |
Hijiri |
I don't know, there may be caching |
| 00:02 |
Hijiri |
I have had very short load times the last couple of joins |
| 00:04 |
Fixer |
i somewhat dislike java programs because of four things: 1) windows does not bundle jre 2) slow startup 3) somewhat big mem usage 4) crappy UI (not always) |
| 00:05 |
Fixer |
if only it was included like .net |
| 00:06 |
Fixer |
iirc it was included in win98 or 2000 |
| 00:08 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: but what the problem if it was scripted? /dreambuilder |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: scripting only goes just so far :P |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
eventually I ran into problems merging in upstream mt_game changes. |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
(and I did those by hand() |
| 00:09 |
betterthanyou710 |
VanessaE: have you ever thought about creating a faction or prison server? |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 00:09 |
betterthanyou710 |
awwww |
| 00:09 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: you alter minetest_game? |
| 00:09 |
betterthanyou710 |
ive been asking all major server owners and none of them have |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: I used to as part of dreambuilder when it was a subgame. now, I don't./ |
| 00:10 |
betterthanyou710 |
cant wait till one does |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
I run entirely vanilla minetest_game, any changes I need to make to it I do with a mod |
| 00:11 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: i think it is possible to make changes you need to game itself ones, make diffs and just patch automatically |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
for a while I was doing that. |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
but mt_game development was just moving too fast. |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
I couldn't keep up anymore, so went back to modpack format. |
| 00:13 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: it is just modpack support is so damn shitty |
| 00:17 |
Fixer |
hmm, so you have modified: bones, give initial stuff, tnt |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
and a few lower-level changes that could be done with a mod |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
(see dreambuilder_mp_extras) |
| 00:20 |
Fixer |
I still like it as subgame, I don't see much merge conflicts here, "give initial stuff" is nothing %) |
| 00:20 |
Fixer |
tnt and bones can be disabled in config now iirc |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
subgame config |
| 00:21 |
Fixer |
anyway i go sleep have fun |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
I'll pass :P |
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| 00:33 |
nolsen |
Hijiri: Had to restart, when I was connecting, the client terminal was being spammed with 404 errors |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
Yep, it is |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
2016-07-30 19:33:58: ERROR[CurlFetch]: https://nolsen.xyz/minetest/media/blox_whitecobble.png not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404) |
| 00:34 |
Hijiri |
let me try with terminal |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
I see why |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
Because in /media, it is nothing but files |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
with long names |
| 00:34 |
nolsen |
like hashes |
| 00:35 |
Hijiri |
connection to your media server is timing out apparently |
| 00:35 |
nolsen |
rw-rw-r-- 1 minetest minetest 975 Jul 30 20:22 85402482ea353ed7efe62ef172cc8e889725479e |
| 00:35 |
nolsen |
lol |
| 00:35 |
Hijiri |
but I'm in now |
| 00:35 |
nolsen |
Hijiri: Probably because it used fallback |
| 00:35 |
nolsen |
which is default download |
| 00:38 |
nolsen |
I guess https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560 is borked? |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
Hijiri: I'm restarting the server again, sorry. |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
Need to disable https |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
er |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
the http media server |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
because the script is broken |
| 00:47 |
nolsen |
This will probably be the last restart today |
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nolsen |
!mod music |
| 01:43 |
MinetestBot |
nolsen: Music player [music_player] by Rui - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13841 |
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AntumDeluge |
Hello, having an issue that I haven't been able to resolve on my own. My Minetest server used to output a "debug.txt" file but does not anymore. Not sure why. I have been add & removing mods, but can't think of anything else that I have done to effect it. |
| 02:46 |
AntumDeluge |
Version: Minetest 0.4.14 (Linux), Build info: VER=0.4.14 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=1 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=0 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR="." |
| 02:47 |
AntumDeluge |
Any help is much appreciated. |
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AntumDeluge |
Seems to be working again. But I started it from a new terminal. |
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| 03:58 |
agrecascino |
help |
| 03:58 |
agrecascino |
i'm getting a crash in my mod |
| 03:58 |
agrecascino |
and to be honest i can't figure out how to fix it myself |
| 04:01 |
blert |
I'm not doing much, maybe I can help you. |
| 04:01 |
agrecascino |
alright |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
https://github.com/agrecascino/factions |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
what happens: |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
person deletes faction |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
person creates new faction |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
somehow: |
| 04:02 |
agrecascino |
thinks that player is in non existent faction |
| 04:03 |
agrecascino |
tries to delete them from that faction |
| 04:03 |
agrecascino |
*CRASH* |
| 04:08 |
blert |
what is the command to create a faction? |
| 04:09 |
agrecascino |
/factionsmod create |
| 04:16 |
blert |
looks like there is a lot of error checking going on. Are you getting any messages in the log that could help out? |
| 04:16 |
agrecascino |
a trace but that's it |
| 04:39 |
blert |
I gave myself privs and created a faction. Seemed to work, no crash yet |
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| 04:46 |
blert |
I did comment line 416 of factionsmod.lua as I don't have mobf installed. |
| 04:50 |
agrecascino |
you have to then delete the faction |
| 04:50 |
agrecascino |
and create a new one |
| 04:51 |
blert |
ah, forgot that step |
| 05:05 |
agrecascino |
no crash? |
| 05:19 |
blert |
factionsmod.data.factionsmod[name].owner on line 385 is a nil value and that is causing the crash |
| 05:20 |
agrecascino |
yeah |
| 05:20 |
agrecascino |
that's what i though |
| 05:20 |
agrecascino |
thought* |
| 05:20 |
agrecascino |
not sure why |
| 05:25 |
blert |
I would like to know why it is even trying to remove a member/faction when I create the new second one |
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| 05:26 |
agrecascino |
it wants to keep you in only one faction |
| 05:26 |
blert |
ah |
| 05:35 |
blert |
remove the player from the deleted faction before actually deleting the faction. no crash |
| 05:36 |
blert |
add this... factionsmod.member_remove(params[2],player) ... at line 232 of chatcommands |
| 05:38 |
blert |
you will probably want to remove all players before the faction is deleted |
| 05:39 |
agrecascino |
yeah |
| 05:39 |
agrecascino |
how would i do that |
| 05:40 |
blert |
loop through the players that are members and do the above function for each player |
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| 05:51 |
blert |
damn, this mod is confusing, IMO it needs a complete rewrite but Sapier probably can understand what going on quite well |
| 05:51 |
agrecascino |
fixed it |
| 05:51 |
agrecascino |
blert, 99% of that comes from my hacks |
| 05:52 |
blert |
loop through factionsmod.data.objects, check the name against the faction and remove the player if a match is found |
| 05:53 |
blert |
oh, sorry. :) |
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blert |
well, if you got it fixed I'm going to go back to testing my newest build |
| 06:05 |
nolsen |
!server [TU |
| 06:05 |
MinetestBot |
nolsen: [TUSS] The Ultimate Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 1/15, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 161ms |
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| 10:41 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/swL8p1sfvl/3aNT4jugWsMuEEsy.png |
| 10:41 |
Calinou |
paper added |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
http://needsmorejpeg.com/i/eoaa.jpeg |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
looks nice |
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| 10:50 |
Megaf |
Hello |
| 10:50 |
Megaf |
aix: Good day gentleman |
| 10:51 |
Megaf |
agaran: Hello to you to sir |
| 10:55 |
Krock |
^ there's no girls on the internet |
| 10:55 |
Calinou |
pushed an update: paper texture, obsidian/obsidian brick/obsidian block |
| 10:55 |
Calinou |
107 textures in the pack now |
| 10:55 |
Krock |
\o/ *puts on a party hat* |
| 10:57 |
* Krock |
clones |
| 10:59 |
* Megaf |
doesn't |
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| 11:00 |
Megaf |
oh no, there's no swapspace for Debian Wheezy |
| 11:03 |
* Krock |
tries to build an alpine railway |
| 11:04 |
T4im |
you mean a roller coaster? :D |
| 11:05 |
Krock |
yep |
| 11:07 |
Krock |
Calinou, I miss the torch flame.. it's not burning anymore :( |
| 11:13 |
Megaf |
Dat moment when your internet is faster than your storage http://paste.debian.net/plain/786195 |
| 11:13 |
Krock |
xD |
| 11:14 |
Megaf |
The strugle is real |
| 11:16 |
Calinou |
Krock: it's really time consuming to do good animations |
| 11:17 |
Megaf |
Mind blow, is the simple things! http://9gag.com/gag/aNWgzBw |
| 11:17 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 11:17 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Ford innovation - 9GAG |
| 11:17 |
Calinou |
Megaf: did you see my texture pack? |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
Calinou, oh, so you planned to improve that texture? |
| 11:17 |
Calinou |
Krock: yes but I'll finish other nodes/items first |
| 11:17 |
Megaf |
Calinou: yep, quite like it actually. |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
nice :) |
| 11:20 |
agaran |
Megaf: Hi Megaf, I did not look at irc for a moment |
| 11:22 |
agaran |
Megaf: .. at work I saw transfers over 1 gigabyte per second to hard drive array.. we routinelly use 6G sas with multiple enclosures or 8/16G FC.. |
| 11:22 |
agaran |
it is -faster- than most internets anywhere |
| 11:22 |
agaran |
unless you have 10Gb Ethernet that you can saturate with internet traffic.. |
| 11:22 |
agaran |
ok, back to fixing lua |
| 11:30 |
Megaf |
2419963392 bytes (2.4 GB, 2.3 GiB) copied, 1305.69 s, 1.9 MB/s |
| 11:31 |
Megaf |
It gets slower as it runs out of cache |
| 11:31 |
Megaf |
the actual write speed is around 1,2 MB/s |
| 11:31 |
agaran |
I mean GB/s write.. not MB/s.. really not a typo.. |
| 11:31 |
agaran |
(10krpm drives, bunch of them) |
| 11:32 |
Krock |
I got a 33 1/2 rpm drive |
| 11:32 |
Krock |
it makes funny sounds |
| 11:32 |
agaran |
oh, you can slow down and make it LP ;) |
| 11:32 |
Megaf |
I used to have a bigfoot, have you ever saw one of those? |
| 11:33 |
agaran |
I have one.. |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
5 inch hard drive |
| 11:33 |
agaran |
5.25 even, and I stil have it, working |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
I really liked it |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 11:33 |
Krock |
agaran, 33 1/2 is LP ^^ |
| 11:34 |
Megaf |
so dd is just filing up the buffer |
| 11:34 |
Megaf |
total used free shared buff/cache available |
| 11:34 |
Megaf |
Mem: 3386 609 34 52 2741 2671 |
| 11:34 |
Megaf |
Swap: 3377 591 2786 |
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Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com. |
| 11:34 |
Krock |
rip |
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| 11:34 |
agaran |
Krock: oh, I never had black disks.. |
| 11:34 |
Krock |
What? Shame on you |
| 11:34 |
agaran |
sorry, can't have all.. |
| 11:34 |
Krock |
Not even floppies? That's not acceptable |
| 11:35 |
agaran |
well no.. floppies I had.. excluding 8" unfortunatelly.. |
| 11:35 |
agaran |
but 360kB 5.25" are still here.. with dos 3.30.. |
| 11:35 |
T4im |
5.25" floppies make great cd hulls btw :3 |
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| 11:36 |
T4im |
cut them open and remove the magnetic plates, but keep the interior soft material, it's great to avoid damage to the disks |
| 11:36 |
T4im |
cd's* |
| 11:36 |
T4im |
what else are you gonna do with them anyway *shrug* |
| 11:37 |
agaran |
yep but.. I'd rather damage cd than floppy.. too rare today |
| 11:37 |
Krock |
^ same |
| 11:37 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/1iclSWSpQy/zQEa6izC0VqRhmzR.png |
| 11:37 |
Calinou |
pickaxes! |
| 11:37 |
T4im |
rare, but also useless :P |
| 11:38 |
Calinou |
the sword will be remade as well |
| 11:38 |
Calinou |
to be more vanilla-like |
| 11:38 |
agaran |
T4im: nope.. as I said, I still have some ancient software on them.. as well as drives to read them.. and well more such |
| 11:38 |
* Krock |
slaps T4im a bit with a large trout for not seeing the real worth of floppies |
| 11:38 |
T4im |
unless you operate an nuclear silo, then you'd probably need the old disks |
| 11:40 |
T4im |
agaran: yea, but again, what for? :D |
| 11:40 |
agaran |
T4im: I like ancientware..? |
| 11:40 |
T4im |
next you keep your 20MB harddisk and your 2x86 PC to an old flickery crt monitor that can only do bernstein+black |
| 11:41 |
agaran |
hmm.. I do have 40M hdd.. |
| 11:41 |
Krock |
Oh right and floppy drives make good music when controlled by arduino or similar |
| 11:41 |
agaran |
and 386+ upwards.. from 286 only cpus/fpu remain.. |
| 11:41 |
agaran |
T4im: I can build 'nodes' out of cpus ;) |
| 11:41 |
T4im |
heh |
| 11:41 |
T4im |
ok, so it's nostalgy? |
| 11:41 |
agaran |
yep.. |
| 11:42 |
Krock |
the smallest HDD (capacity) I got is 128 MB, Seagate ST3144A |
| 11:42 |
agaran |
I still have my first hdd.. 81M caviar.. |
| 11:43 |
Megaf |
well, I still have all components of my first computer, but its hard drive |
| 11:43 |
T4im |
you started out well fed with disk space then, agaran :p |
| 11:44 |
agaran |
T4im: I had own computer much later than I started.. first had 360kB floppies, 2 of them.. and 512k ram.. |
| 11:44 |
agaran |
first x86 that is |
| 11:46 |
T4im |
well, according to some weird guy that nearly ought to be enough for anybody |
| 11:46 |
agaran |
yep.. and he was SO wrong.. |
| 11:47 |
T4im |
certainly is enough to run minetest |
| 11:47 |
T4im |
:> |
| 11:48 |
agaran |
512k ram? |
| 11:48 |
agaran |
if you pool memory out of 1024 such computers then.. maybe? |
| 11:48 |
Krock |
Minetest runs fine on older systems, so why shouldn't it work there? :P |
| 11:49 |
T4im |
if your swap is large enough maybe :> you'd need a lot of those 20/40M plates then though |
| 11:49 |
agaran |
T4im: and to load 1 node you need to wait a week or so? |
| 11:49 |
T4im |
people were used to waiting anyway :> |
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aix |
okay guys |
| 12:54 |
aix |
give me common words in spammer's nicknames |
| 12:54 |
aix |
Things like SexyGirl4 and the like |
| 12:54 |
aix |
I'm expanding my banned names regex definitions |
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basxto |
WorldEnder666 |
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tpe |
Anything with xX at the beginning, and Xx at the end. |
| 12:56 |
aix |
how about anything with xx in it |
| 12:57 |
tpe |
...pretty much, yep. |
| 12:57 |
aix |
["xx"] = "No... just no", |
| 12:59 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/cqV7.txt here's what i have |
| 13:00 |
Krock |
Please don't use these reasons. Keep them neutral |
| 13:00 |
aix |
what do you suggest? |
| 13:00 |
Krock |
["herobrine"] = "Nick forbidden due to overuse", (or similar) |
| 13:00 |
aix |
ah |
| 13:00 |
aix |
fair enough |
| 13:01 |
aix |
how do i disallow all caps? |
| 13:01 |
Krock |
and doesn't ["[0-9][0-9][0-9]"] and ["[0-9]*[0-9]*[0-9]"] do the same thing? |
| 13:01 |
aix |
i dont think these regexes are case sensitive |
| 13:01 |
rubenwardy |
"[Hh][Ee][Rr][Oo][Bb][Rr][Ii][Nn][Ee]" |
| 13:01 |
aix |
no, the second one matches s2s2s2 |
| 13:01 |
aix |
uh |
| 13:01 |
Krock |
no, you'd have to modify the on_prejoinplayer function |
| 13:02 |
T4im |
lua patterns please? |
| 13:02 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, it's all set to lowercase before doing regex |
| 13:02 |
rubenwardy |
oh |
| 13:02 |
Krock |
IIRC |
| 13:02 |
aix |
damn |
| 13:02 |
aix |
then how do i ban all caps names |
| 13:02 |
Krock |
aix, what mod do you use? no_guests? |
| 13:02 |
aix |
Player with the name "HeroBriNe" tried to connect from .. yeah |
| 13:02 |
aix |
name_restrictions |
| 13:02 |
T4im |
%d instead of [0-9] ftw |
| 13:03 |
Krock |
aix, link for source please |
| 13:03 |
Krock |
(can't find the mod) |
| 13:03 |
aix |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/name_restrictions |
| 13:04 |
aix |
local lname = name:lower() |
| 13:04 |
aix |
yup |
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| 13:04 |
aix |
if not name:lower() == name |
| 13:04 |
aix |
or something to that effect |
| 13:05 |
Krock |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/name_restrictions/blob/master/init.lua#L39 insert if name:upper() == name then return "Caps detected" end |
| 13:07 |
aix |
works great, thanks |
| 13:07 |
Krock |
np |
| 13:07 |
T4im |
" > no, the second one matches s2s2s2" it also matches every name with a single digit in it |
| 13:07 |
T4im |
every other* |
| 13:08 |
aix |
huh |
| 13:08 |
T4im |
unless greedyness of the regex prevents that |
| 13:08 |
aix |
does it |
| 13:08 |
aix |
so it does |
| 13:08 |
* Megaf |
is back |
| 13:08 |
T4im |
well [0-9]* reads as "none or more characters between 0 and 9" |
| 13:09 |
T4im |
also %d meaning "digit" is probably a cleaner way |
| 13:09 |
T4im |
might also be faster, although I've not microbenchmarked that yet |
| 13:09 |
T4im |
and it's not really important either |
| 13:09 |
aix |
^ |
| 13:10 |
basxto |
HER0BRINE |
| 13:10 |
aix |
["[0-9][0-9][0-9]"] this does what i think though right |
| 13:10 |
aix |
basxto: good point |
| 13:10 |
Krock |
H3R0BR1N3 |
| 13:10 |
Krock |
oh nvm |
| 13:10 |
Krock |
HER0BR1NE, would be valid |
| 13:10 |
T4im |
three digits, yes, which imo is a bit low |
| 13:10 |
aix |
["h[e3]r[0o]br[i1]n[e3]"] |
| 13:10 |
basxto |
H∃ROBRINE … is utf-8 even allowed? |
| 13:11 |
T4im |
not in names |
| 13:11 |
aix |
Krock: no it wouldn't |
| 13:11 |
aix |
it's all capitals |
| 13:11 |
Krock |
HeR0BR1NE, there we go |
| 13:11 |
aix |
matches ["h[e3]r[0o]br[i1]n[e3]"] |
| 13:11 |
aix |
it's case insensitive |
| 13:11 |
basxto |
HEROBRlNE with some fonts |
| 13:12 |
T4im |
why don't you just get rid of all the silly rules and just enforce a name to have at least 4 consecutive lowercase letters :P |
| 13:12 |
aix |
... |
| 13:12 |
aix |
you're so rude |
| 13:12 |
T4im |
I think that's more reasonable than blocing people with a year in their name |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
just add ["*"] and you've successfully blocked all bad names |
| 13:12 |
* aix |
coughs |
| 13:12 |
T4im |
sorry, I did not intend to be rude |
| 13:13 |
Amaz |
That's the best idea yet Krock! |
| 13:13 |
aix |
heh, your name doesn't have 4 consecutive lowercase letters either |
| 13:13 |
Krock |
Amaz, thank you :) |
| 13:13 |
T4im |
fair point x) |
| 13:13 |
T4im |
darn |
| 13:13 |
aix |
we could implement a protocol for name exemption negotiations |
| 13:13 |
aix |
but you'll need to use netcat to get on a server |
| 13:13 |
basxto |
and make sure to block unusual combinations like sxt |
| 13:13 |
aix |
inb4 mobile app developers implement a script to do it |
| 13:14 |
T4im |
captchas? VanessaE addeed something like that to her servers |
| 13:14 |
aix |
basxto: so all consonants |
| 13:14 |
T4im |
for interact |
| 13:14 |
aix |
but that'd block things like strncpy |
| 13:14 |
T4im |
"tell us, what is a VHS?" no players anymore :( |
| 13:14 |
aix |
which i use sometimes |
| 13:14 |
aix |
captchas? |
| 13:14 |
Krock |
T4im, virtual hosted server? dunno |
| 13:14 |
aix |
we're fighting humans not bots |
| 13:14 |
aix |
maybe really hard captchas |
| 13:15 |
aix |
then it times you |
| 13:15 |
Megaf |
lol, I just learned that I can do this |
| 13:15 |
Megaf |
$ echo $[2-9] |
| 13:15 |
Megaf |
-7 |
| 13:15 |
Calinou |
"Please select all the Mese blocks below" |
| 13:15 |
aix |
LOL |
| 13:15 |
aix |
YES |
| 13:15 |
Calinou |
Megaf: isn't the syntax $((2-9)) |
| 13:16 |
Krock |
Megaf, try this one: % make love |
| 13:16 |
Krock |
Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. |
| 13:16 |
aix |
Which of the images below is the first Minetest player model? |
| 13:16 |
aix |
Which of the images below is the first 3-D Minetest player model? |
| 13:17 |
aix |
Then put lots of 2d and 3d ones for both and it'll ban you if you select a 2d skin for the second question |
| 13:17 |
Krock |
I didn't know that there are multiple player models |
| 13:17 |
aix |
then it'll add you to some sort of global ban list |
| 13:17 |
aix |
fuck |
| 13:17 |
aix |
skins |
| 13:17 |
aix |
although the player model did change |
| 13:17 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I have no idea |
| 13:17 |
T4im |
hmm how about 4 consecutive letters for names of length > 8? |
| 13:17 |
aix |
only once, from around 0.3.x to 0.4.x, from a 2d model into a less 2d thing |
| 13:18 |
aix |
T4im: 8 character names is a little over the top |
| 13:18 |
T4im |
names like nobody901234 would then not be blocked (which was a valid player) |
| 13:18 |
Calinou |
hey, why not limit player names to 8.3 convention |
| 13:18 |
Krock |
there are actually several different player models. The one with cape support and one for 3d_armor and |
| 13:18 |
Krock |
-and |
| 13:19 |
Calinou |
KROCK.JPG |
| 13:19 |
Krock |
\o/ |
| 13:19 |
T4im |
heh |
| 13:19 |
Krock |
STAMP~12.JPG |
| 13:19 |
Krock |
(STAMPYTHELONGNOSE) |
| 13:19 |
T4im |
you know aix, if you'd just allow guest names, you probably wouldn't have to deal too much with nasty evasion-nicknames |
| 13:20 |
T4im |
although some things probably should be blocked just for the vulgarity sake |
| 13:21 |
Krock |
T4im, but it would be better to block that username because I couldn't remember the numbers and just copypasted |
| 13:21 |
T4im |
oh, they weren't some special date or something? |
| 13:21 |
Krock |
nope. random |
| 13:21 |
T4im |
and there I was and thought you'd have birthday soon |
| 13:21 |
Krock |
rekt |
| 13:22 |
Krock |
and btw, it's still Nobody900824 :P |
| 13:22 |
T4im |
yes, that's why I meant soon |
| 13:22 |
T4im |
upcoming month |
| 13:22 |
T4im |
and why I didn't use the actual number, privacy and such :P |
| 13:22 |
aix |
would it be seen as advertising if i were to ask for moderators here? |
| 13:22 |
Krock |
I'm 90 years old and my birthday is in 25 days |
| 13:23 |
T4im |
26 seemed like a reasonable age for you |
| 13:23 |
Krock |
oh god, where did all these years go? |
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| 13:24 |
Krock |
aix, people here usually don't talk about a server. It's rather about the mods and Minetest configuration |
| 13:24 |
Krock |
so you won't be very successful when asking here. Try your luck on inchra |
| 13:24 |
aix |
inchra? |
| 13:25 |
Krock |
daconcepts.com, an IRC server |
| 13:25 |
Krock |
for Minetest servers |
| 13:26 |
aix |
what channel though |
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| 13:31 |
aix |
I kinda think minetest really needs a trusted private server, with no area protection and a lenghthy interview process |
| 13:31 |
Krock |
what in the internet is trusted? |
| 13:32 |
aix |
i don't know |
| 13:32 |
aix |
maybe it's time to make something trusted |
| 13:40 |
Megaf |
so, google chrome just died here, for no reason, just closed |
| 13:40 |
Megaf |
nothing on dmesh |
| 13:40 |
Megaf |
dmesg |
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* Krock |
gives Megaf a gravestone |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
and it managed to send a crash report to google http://paste.debian.net/plain/786205 |
| 13:44 |
* Megaf |
puts the gravestone by chrome's grave |
| 13:50 |
Megaf |
so, my favourite linux admin tools so far. saidar, htop, tmux, mosh, iotop, kill, bwm-ng, nano, weechat |
| 13:51 |
Megaf |
saidar kinda replaces bwm-ng, iotop and top |
| 13:53 |
aix |
how is weechat an admin tool? |
| 13:54 |
Megaf |
This is saidar by the way http://uploadpie.com/WxFcs |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
how is tmux an admin tool? |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
aix: for asking help in #Debian, #CentOS and #Kernel |
| 13:55 |
Krock |
how is kill an admin tool? |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 13:55 |
Megaf |
sfan5: really? |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 13:55 |
aix |
there are no admin tools in that list my good sir |
| 13:56 |
aix |
they're all useful in administration, but the same could be said for ls |
| 13:56 |
* Megaf |
runs because nobody gets the joke |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
^ |
| 13:56 |
Krock |
I'm being ignored :( |
| 13:56 |
aix |
which i think you use a little more often than any of those |
| 13:56 |
aix |
Krock: you were late to the party |
| 13:56 |
* Megaf |
cries in a corner |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
wow how ingenious |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
saying something |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
and when it turns out to be wrong |
| 13:57 |
* Krock |
gives Megaf another corned to crie twice |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
just say it's a joke |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
this is new |
| 13:57 |
Krock |
*try |
| 13:57 |
aix |
my favourite admin tools: doas, sudo, the "-" operator |
| 13:57 |
Krock |
*cry (can't spell) |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
aix: >doas |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
do you use bsd? |
| 13:57 |
aix |
yus |
| 13:57 |
aix |
sometimes |
| 13:57 |
aix |
not as often as i'd like anymore |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
doas any different as su user? |
| 13:57 |
Krock |
my favourite admins tools: apt-get uninstall gentoo |
| 13:57 |
Megaf |
from* |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
but does it support btrfs? |
| 13:58 |
aix |
Megaf: it's like sudo® |
| 13:58 |
aix |
Krock: it's remove |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
lol Krock |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
but you see what I mean |
| 13:58 |
aix |
do i |
| 13:58 |
aix |
do i really |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
yes you do |
| 13:58 |
aix |
oh my yes i do |
| 13:59 |
everamzah |
apt-show gentoo -> Description: fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager |
| 13:59 |
Megaf |
anyone here who likes and uses things lile puppet and webmin? |
| 13:59 |
aix |
apt-cache search gentoo -.- |
| 13:59 |
aix |
ew |
| 13:59 |
aix |
used to |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
gentoo/testing 0.20.6-2 amd64 |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
oh my |
| 14:00 |
aix |
but then i remembered i didn't like being hacked |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
me neither, now a days all I use is mosh + tmux |
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| 14:00 |
aix |
same |
| 14:00 |
aix |
minus the mosh part |
| 14:01 |
everamzah |
oh right, it was apt show, not apt-show. i used to use apt-cache search, until i discovered `apt' apt-get frontend |
| 14:01 |
Megaf |
mosh is cool for slow/unstable connections |
| 14:01 |
everamzah |
i mean apt cache haha |
| 14:01 |
Megaf |
it reconnects on it's own |
| 14:01 |
everamzah |
i can never get my mouse to work in it with tmux/stuff |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
lol, minetest, a game for linux admins |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
and bSD |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
BSD |
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everamzah |
oh, it was apt-cache afterall. been about a year i've used `apt' for apt-cache and apt-get |
| 14:10 |
Megaf |
imagine debugging this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/PDP-8I-backplane.jpg |
| 14:14 |
Krock |
that's horrible |
| 14:14 |
Krock |
why didn't they use different cable colors? |
| 14:16 |
nm0i |
hi |
| 14:18 |
Krock |
hi i0mn |
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| 14:19 |
nm0i |
hi ʞɔoɹʞ |
| 14:19 |
Megaf |
k3ck3r! |
| 14:19 |
Megaf |
I mena |
| 14:19 |
Megaf |
k4ck3r! |
| 14:20 |
Megaf |
s/mena/mean |
| 14:20 |
* Megaf |
hides |
| 14:20 |
* nm0i |
unhides Megaf |
| 14:20 |
Megaf |
Does anyone knows this thing? Called swapspace |
| 14:20 |
Krock |
No, I don't knows this thing |
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| 14:20 |
Megaf |
what it basically does is, created, allocates and removes swap images on demand |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
it monitors your system use, memory and disk use/space, and creates swap |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
or removes |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
Like that |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
Notice: Allocating swapfile '7' |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1.1 GiB (1227878400 bytes) |
| 14:21 |
Megaf |
Notice: Retiring swapfile '7 |
| 14:21 |
nm0i |
sounds like 10 lines of bash code around swapon/swapoff |
| 14:22 |
Megaf |
more eficient than having a swap partition |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
http://pqxx.org/development/swapspace/ |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
and my w3m webbrowser is sick, it is showing images |
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| 14:25 |
nm0i |
Ok, its some c magic afterall |
| 14:25 |
Megaf |
nm0i: I'd say a little more than 10 lines of bash code... |
| 14:25 |
Megaf |
the thing is pretty complex |
| 14:26 |
nm0i |
But so far it looks like most of their code is rant on Unix IPC |
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| 14:32 |
nm0i |
Megaf: do you use digilines? |
| 14:34 |
nm0i |
For some reason only 13 servers use this mod, while mesecons are used on 40... |
| 14:34 |
T4im |
not everyone might be as comfortable with executing lua code, written by players |
| 14:35 |
T4im |
sandbox or not |
| 14:35 |
nm0i |
luacontroller is available on 37 servers. |
| 14:36 |
T4im |
hm |
| 14:36 |
nm0i |
and Megaf allows it :P |
| 14:37 |
T4im |
how many of those servers run on windows? |
| 14:40 |
nm0i |
nmap -O time... |
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| 14:44 |
nm0i |
Also you don't need lua controller for digiline usage, e.g. setting devices on the same channel works for displays/rct/sensors : http://me0w.net/pit/1469976181 |
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| 15:01 |
Megaf |
nm0i: Yes I do |
| 15:01 |
Megaf |
lua controller is pretty safe imho, it has lots of limits, you cant use the whole lua language there |
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| 15:02 |
nm0i |
Yeah, "heat". Yet you still had some problems once... I don't remember details. |
| 15:04 |
Megaf |
It's been a long while since the last time we had any problem with it, and we have 100s of lua controllers |
| 15:05 |
Megaf |
mesecons in it's current state is pretty safe and not so taxing on the server resources if properly set up |
| 15:06 |
Megaf |
technic on the other hand... |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
<aix> I kinda think minetest really needs a trusted private server, with no area protection and a lenghthy interview process |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
problem is, it's hard getting any players on those when the barrier to entry is that high |
| 15:06 |
agaran |
Calinou: what one need to do to get own area on your server btw? (I got disco today cause internal server errror..) |
| 15:07 |
Calinou |
server automatically restarts on crash |
| 15:07 |
Calinou |
agaran: you can ask me for areas priv |
| 15:07 |
Calinou |
so that you can protect areas yourself |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
[16:06:18] <Calinou> <aix> I kinda think minetest really needs a trusted private server, with no area protection and a lenghthy interview process |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
my server is almost like that |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
not as hard, and it's always empty |
| 15:07 |
agaran |
Megaf: untrue, I had no interview ;) |
| 15:07 |
Megaf |
so yeah... |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
agaran: you had, believe me |
| 15:08 |
Megaf |
agaran: the thing is, people who are on the IRC have much shorter interviews |
| 15:08 |
agaran |
that reminds me motd from some irc server (private) I know.. this is private server for fellows |
| 15:09 |
agaran |
Calinou: any traceback in log after crash? |
| 15:10 |
Megaf |
someone need to fix either creatures/sheep/chicken mod or the bow and arrow thing of minetest so I can kill animals with arrous |
| 15:10 |
* Megaf |
looks at sfan5 VanessaE and Calinou |
| 15:10 |
sfan5 |
what |
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| 15:10 |
agaran |
Megaf: well if only entities would not have so short lifetime on your server then eggs would be easier to get |
| 15:10 |
Calinou |
agaran: need to find server log, too much work :D |
| 15:10 |
Megaf |
agaran: blame minetest server memory use |
| 15:11 |
Calinou |
Megaf: server has 16 GB of RAM |
| 15:11 |
agaran |
Calinou: then why you are worried with mod or two more?;) |
| 15:12 |
Megaf |
agaran: just increased the time to 10 minutes, shall be enough right? |
| 15:12 |
agaran |
was like 2 -3 minutes before? |
| 15:13 |
Megaf |
Not sure, the default for years had been around 10 seconds |
| 15:13 |
Calinou |
agaran: because mods eat mostly CPU |
| 15:13 |
Calinou |
and CPU is far from infinite |
| 15:13 |
Megaf |
but I've been playing with the number lately |
| 15:14 |
* Megaf |
has got some eggs |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
I have a very simple mobs mod in the works |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
adds rats/oerkkis |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
(based on PilzAdam's mobs mod, so the code needs fixes) |
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Hijiri |
what do people think about a common mob interface |
| 15:19 |
Hijiri |
something that would let mods interact uniformly with mobs from different mods |
| 15:20 |
Hijiri |
only problems is people have to use it, and some parts might need yet another mod (anything global) |
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edaq |
hey has anyone here hado problems with this error: "No longer accepting new players" when trying to join a server you are already a player on? |
| 15:21 |
edaq |
can someone try to join Xandu server on minetest to see if it is limited to just my client |
| 15:21 |
edaq |
I dont know why |
| 15:21 |
edaq |
but every time I try I get that error |
| 15:21 |
Hijiri |
could be a custom message |
| 15:21 |
edaq |
even though there are only 5/40 online |
| 15:21 |
Hijiri |
mods can kick you with a programmer-specified message |
| 15:22 |
edaq |
weird |
| 15:22 |
edaq |
I had not broken any rules |
| 15:22 |
edaq |
never even got a complaint |
| 15:22 |
Hijiri |
it says not accepting new players |
| 15:22 |
edaq |
weird |
| 15:22 |
Hijiri |
probably means it doesn't want new registrations |
| 15:22 |
edaq |
but I am already a player there |
| 15:22 |
Hijiri |
that's weird |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
I have tried to reach tenplus1 |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
but cannot get ahold of any admin |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
or mod |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
(I wonder if they no longer check forum messages) |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
ah well |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
I will remove it from my connect list and probably move to skyblock |
| 15:23 |
edaq |
I had nycat boots :| |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
meh |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
took forever to get those |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
anyway thanks foe the help Hijiri :) |
| 15:24 |
Hijiri |
edaq: did you contact him on the forum? |
| 15:24 |
Hijiri |
he is usually active there |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
yeah |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
left a message |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
never got a return one |
| 15:24 |
edaq |
wondered if he just did not care to deal with it |
| 15:25 |
Amaz |
edaq, Xanadu was attacked by trollers, who kept on changing IP and making new accounts with which they spammed and stuff. |
| 15:25 |
edaq |
people do get busy sometimes |
| 15:25 |
Hijiri |
he comes on IRC sometimes too, maybe you can catch him when he's on |
| 15:25 |
edaq |
Amaz, I am not a troll though |
| 15:25 |
Amaz |
So ten had to disable new accounts, in order to stop that. |
| 15:25 |
edaq |
I had an existing account |
| 15:25 |
Amaz |
There wasn't anything he could do about it. |
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Amaz |
So did I, but I can't log on either. |
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| 15:26 |
Amaz |
So something must be wrong somewhere... |
| 15:26 |
edaq |
well thanks for the help Amaz :) |
| 15:26 |
Amaz |
*shrugs* |
| 15:26 |
Amaz |
np |
| 15:26 |
edaq |
I am moving to skyblock |
| 15:26 |
Amaz |
I'll ask ten when I see him on IRC next :) |
| 15:26 |
edaq |
ok |
| 15:26 |
edaq |
if he gets it resolved hilight me :) |
| 15:27 |
edaq |
until then I will be skyblocking |
| 15:27 |
edaq |
its so weird |
| 15:27 |
Amaz |
Okay :) |
| 15:27 |
edaq |
yeah |
| 15:29 |
Amaz |
Is edaq your name on the server and on the forums? |
| 15:30 |
edaq |
yeah |
| 15:30 |
Amaz |
Okay! |
| 15:30 |
edaq |
I have to find the password tho |
| 15:30 |
edaq |
I did a direct message on forum |
| 15:31 |
edaq |
I think Xandu is doomed imo |
| 15:31 |
edaq |
none of the old players can get on |
| 15:31 |
edaq |
which probably means they will all move on |
| 15:31 |
edaq |
and no one will be allowed to connect until no one wants to bother |
| 15:32 |
edaq |
which is a complete bummer |
| 15:32 |
edaq |
I liked the community there |
| 15:32 |
Megaf |
[16:25:12] <Amaz> edaq, Xanadu was attacked by trollers, who kept on changing IP and making new accounts with which they spammed and stuff. |
| 15:32 |
Megaf |
Why would someone do that to a Minetest server? |
| 15:32 |
Megaf |
We are all good people |
| 15:33 |
edaq |
well most of us |
| 15:33 |
edaq |
just because you are on minetest does not mean you are nice |
| 15:33 |
edaq |
per se |
| 15:33 |
edaq |
most of us are |
| 15:33 |
edaq |
I think |
| 15:33 |
Amaz |
Megaf, I think someone was banned, and they didn't like it... |
| 15:33 |
Megaf |
agaran: |
| 15:33 |
Megaf |
]Killed |
| 15:34 |
shamoanjac |
does Minetest have a problem with loading textures from subdirectories or something? |
| 15:34 |
edaq |
the problem is though |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
That's what happens with a long time for enities |
| 15:34 |
agaran |
Megaf: ouch? what you did do, OOM for memory? |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
shamoanjac: yes, texture packs can't use subdirectories |
| 15:34 |
Megaf |
OOM |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
and mods probably not either |
| 15:34 |
shamoanjac |
ah well thanks Calinou |
| 15:34 |
edaq |
if you kick all your old members and locks them out |
| 15:34 |
shamoanjac |
a shame, I wanted it to be nicely ordered |
| 15:34 |
edaq |
they will stop comming back |
| 15:35 |
edaq |
which is a bummer |
| 15:35 |
edaq |
in attempting to stop trolls |
| 15:35 |
edaq |
they have killed their server |
| 15:37 |
agrecascino |
? |
| 15:38 |
edaq |
agrecascino, hm |
| 15:38 |
edaq |
oh talking about the Xandu troll problem |
| 15:39 |
edaq |
really changing ip isnt that hard |
| 15:39 |
edaq |
most routers have a button to do so |
| 15:39 |
edaq |
(IE mine forces a new ip every 24 hours if I dont request a keep) |
| 15:39 |
edaq |
so the whole ban thing is a bit old |
| 15:40 |
edaq |
unless you ban by device fingerprint |
| 15:40 |
edaq |
or by nick |
| 15:40 |
edaq |
or all the above |
| 15:40 |
everamzah |
never thought i'd see the day when xanadu was private LOL |
| 15:40 |
edaq |
(I think as a web site you can ban all browsers of x kind with screen size of y, with theme setting |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
yeah :| |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
I am sure they will fix it |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
but by then I think it may be too late |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
I had a server |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
went down for a week |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
(crash) |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
no one came back |
| 15:41 |
edaq |
its weird |
| 15:42 |
edaq |
as it is I check Xandu every week |
| 15:42 |
edaq |
its been about 3-4 weeks |
| 15:42 |
edaq |
I think |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
<edaq> unless you ban by device fingerprint |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
except you can't do that with minetest |
| 15:42 |
edaq |
sfan5, that feature could be added |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
have each minetest installation generate a special code |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
based on screen dimension |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
or something |
| 15:43 |
agaran |
edaq: and pigs could fly.. if code is gnerated you can fake it.. |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
true |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
but its harder for a troll to change screens and theme and ip |
| 15:43 |
sfan5 |
that wouldn't help |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
then just ip |
| 15:43 |
edaq |
increases the effort required |
| 15:43 |
agaran |
when I have to I just block whole ip ranges of internet provider that trouble came from.. |
| 15:43 |
sfan5 |
people can just use an old client which doesn't support those |
| 15:44 |
edaq |
true |
| 15:44 |
T4im |
you can os fingerprint on os/network layer level, which is not a minetest issue though |
| 15:44 |
edaq |
nmap can do it |
| 15:44 |
agaran |
they had 65k ip? who cares if they can't keep their uses behaving.. |
| 15:44 |
sfan5 |
nmap can't fingerprint most home connections |
| 15:44 |
agaran |
T4im: sure, you can tcp/ip stack properties leave nice fingerprint but thats hardly application level... |
| 15:44 |
T4im |
nmap is active, edaq, that might just get you into trouble |
| 15:44 |
sfan5 |
because 1) there is a router doing NAT |
| 15:44 |
edaq |
I usually can, stealth nmap |
| 15:44 |
shamoanjac |
just in case anyone is interested, I am still working on the banners mod, https://8ch.net/v/src/1469979636474.png |
| 15:44 |
sfan5 |
and 2) most ports are closed |
| 15:45 |
sfan5 |
s/most/all/ |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
ah as long as port 80 is open |
| 15:45 |
T4im |
agaran: that's the idea, application level can be faked too easy |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
or port 0 |
| 15:45 |
sfan5 |
none of those are open on normal home connections |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
you can get a os fingerprint |
| 15:45 |
agaran |
T4im: :) |
| 15:45 |
nm0i |
T4im: weirdly out of 37 servers I found no windows servers. Though they might be behind NAT. |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
you could maybe have a randomly generated code |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
that would be hard to find for a non hacker |
| 15:45 |
sfan5 |
this whole code thing can be faked |
| 15:45 |
agaran |
T4im: interesting is to see that so called random sequences used in it don't are really even close to random.. |
| 15:45 |
edaq |
ofc |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
but it makes it harder on the troll sfan5 |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
they not only have to know how to change ip |
| 15:46 |
aix |
i miss the days when trolls didn't know about minetest |
| 15:46 |
sfan5 |
once someone finds it, no |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
but how to install a hexeditor |
| 15:46 |
aix |
we should never have ported it to android |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
or mobile devices at all |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
you get kids and trolls from services like that imo |
| 15:46 |
aix |
although it should be noted you can just enable strict protocol checking, and get the latest git |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
hm |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
interesting |
| 15:46 |
edaq |
mine I think is from debian |
| 15:47 |
edaq |
(I may have to compile a tar later) |
| 15:47 |
edaq |
but dont have to worry about it now |
| 15:47 |
edaq |
yes |
| 15:47 |
edaq |
trolls can find out how |
| 15:47 |
edaq |
but if you make enough identifiers |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
you will filter out lazy trolls |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
like money counterfeiting |
| 15:48 |
aix |
i dont think minetest has trolls |
| 15:48 |
aix |
it just has very young kids who have no clue how to behave |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
there arent many counterfeiters |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
because its hard |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
right |
| 15:48 |
aix |
smart trolls is an oxymoron in itself |
| 15:48 |
edaq |
very young kids wont install a hex editor |
| 15:49 |
aix |
smart people don't become trolls and vice versa |
| 15:49 |
edaq |
true |
| 15:49 |
edaq |
most people know if there not wanted |
| 15:49 |
edaq |
they leave |
| 15:50 |
edaq |
or change their behavior |
| 15:50 |
edaq |
no use getting banned over and over |
| 15:50 |
aix |
they're* |
| 15:50 |
aix |
sorry |
| 15:52 |
Megaf |
shamoanjac: Looks good so far |
| 15:52 |
shamoanjac |
thanks |
| 15:52 |
Megaf |
nm0i: How are you finding server and doing theses stats stuff? |
| 15:53 |
T4im |
port scanning them |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
and what can you say from my server? |
| 15:53 |
aix |
lol |
| 15:53 |
edaq |
there are stealth scans |
| 15:53 |
edaq |
and random wait times |
| 15:53 |
edaq |
its legal |
| 15:53 |
T4im |
still unnecessary |
| 15:53 |
aix |
quite |
| 15:53 |
edaq |
and easy |
| 15:53 |
edaq |
ah |
| 15:53 |
T4im |
passive fingerprinting is enough |
| 15:53 |
* Megaf |
remember that he have to put some firewall on |
| 15:53 |
aix |
passive |
| 15:53 |
aix |
hmm |
| 15:54 |
T4im |
they are sending packets to you already, no need to send any back, just analyse what you get |
| 15:54 |
edaq |
well there are ways to generate a mintest client code |
| 15:54 |
aix |
great, a firewall, more identifiable stuff |
| 15:54 |
nm0i |
Megaf: http://servers.minetest.net/list |
| 15:54 |
nm0i |
json |
| 15:54 |
aix |
oh |
| 15:54 |
aix |
fair enough |
| 15:54 |
nm0i |
Megaf: nmap for os detection |
| 15:54 |
aix |
that's easy |
| 15:54 |
Megaf |
aix: so, to firewall or not? |
| 15:54 |
aix |
that is the question, don't you think? |
| 15:54 |
Megaf |
I don't have any protection on my server whatsoever |
| 15:55 |
aix |
</bad shakespeare reference> |
| 15:55 |
T4im |
always firewall |
| 15:55 |
T4im |
why wouldn't you? |
| 15:55 |
aix |
I personally use UFW but |
| 15:55 |
shamoanjac |
is there a guide on implementing callbacks for buttons in Minetest custom GUIs? |
| 15:55 |
Megaf |
just updated packages, |
| 15:55 |
aix |
i'm just too dumb to use iptables |
| 15:55 |
nm0i |
!server Megaf |
| 15:55 |
MinetestBot |
nm0i: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms |
| 15:55 |
aix |
also i dont like issuing two commands per port that i allow (i'm on dual stack) |
| 15:56 |
Megaf |
oh look, my ping improved! from 8 ms to 6 ms |
| 15:56 |
edaq |
there is Firewall Builder and Gufw for iptables |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
aix: pretty easy: -P INPUT DROP, then use -A INPUT -m <tcp or udp> -p <tcp or udp again> --dport <port num> -j ACCEPT to whitelist ports |
| 15:56 |
aix |
zzzz |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
use the same with -D to delete those rules again |
| 15:56 |
aix |
kinda long though |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
you won't need to install ufw though |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
:) |
| 15:56 |
aix |
i could make a wrapper that does the same with iptables and ip6tables |
| 15:56 |
* Megaf |
will hire sfan5 for firewall stuff, |
| 15:56 |
T4im |
shorewall is also a pretty powerful iptables rule generator and manager |
| 15:56 |
nm0i |
edaq: it might be not legal in some countries. |
| 15:56 |
Megaf |
I will pay in diamonds |
| 15:57 |
aix |
I use a fuckton of ports for openvpn peerings and dn42 links |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
ALERT: > 1 message/s |
| 15:57 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: step 1: you don't need a firewall |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
!server Calinou |
| 15:57 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 1/32, 0/9 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
Megaf: 10ms :p |
| 15:57 |
nm0i |
Megaf: You're keeping minetest behind NAT, it seems |
| 15:57 |
edaq |
hello Calinou |
| 15:57 |
aix |
firewalls are pretty unnecessary for a majority of simple purposes |
| 15:57 |
aix |
if you just bind a program to localhost it'll suffice to keep others using it |
| 15:58 |
Megaf |
nm0i: it's complicated |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
firewalls would be useful if IPv6 was widespread |
| 15:58 |
aix |
^ |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
(without NAT, that is) |
| 15:58 |
aix |
^^ |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
sadly some ISPs were/are trying to push IPv6 with NAT |
| 15:58 |
aix |
well, nat is nice in some places |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
which is probably total nonsense |
| 15:58 |
aix |
I use NAT :) |
| 15:58 |
T4im |
how about preventing any exploits and issues you have **not** thought of? because that's usually what you use it for :p |
| 15:59 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: dunno what your router does but mine drops incoming ipv6 traffic |
| 15:59 |
aix |
T4im: not really |
| 15:59 |
sfan5 |
at least i'm pretty sure |
| 15:59 |
aix |
firewalls aren't that smart |
| 15:59 |
nm0i |
Why do we need IPv6, if we can kill some people in 3d world countries to free IP range. |
| 15:59 |
T4im |
they don't need to be smart |
| 15:59 |
aix |
things like grsecurity/RBAC do that |
| 15:59 |
Krock |
no program is smart |
| 15:59 |
aix |
and those are smart |
| 15:59 |
aix |
scuse me |
| 15:59 |
edaq |
nm0i, it is legal to send packets and time the response |
| 15:59 |
Megaf |
lol nm0i |
| 15:59 |
edaq |
its like knocking on the door |
| 15:59 |
edaq |
its legal so long as you dont do it a million times |
| 15:59 |
aix |
which can be illegal |
| 15:59 |
aix |
depends on the door |
| 15:59 |
edaq |
like spam |
| 15:59 |
T4im |
a MAX/RBAC tool is good additionally, yes, some even might cover things firewalls do |
| 15:59 |
T4im |
MAC* |
| 16:00 |
aix |
there are some ranges which it is downright ILLEGAL to scan or even touch |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
edaq: the question isn't whether it's legal, the question is whether it gets your abuse notices |
| 16:00 |
Calinou |
sfan5: my router can do that too |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
ISPs generally aren't happy with abuse notices |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
any security person here who wants to help me find any security breach on my server? |
| 16:00 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: gimme ur ip |
| 16:00 |
T4im |
if you scan the wrong things, you'll simply land on blacklists, done |
| 16:00 |
edaq |
sfan5, there are some stealth modes |
| 16:00 |
Megaf |
sfan5: mt.megaf.info points to it |
| 16:00 |
edaq |
and passive port scanning with random wait times |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
passive port scanning, how does that work? |
| 16:01 |
T4im |
scanning is never passive |
| 16:01 |
T4im |
there is passive analysis though |
| 16:01 |
edaq |
well scanning traffic |
| 16:01 |
edaq |
to and from an ip |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: what is that thing on port 9102? |
| 16:01 |
edaq |
if I open a connection to you |
| 16:01 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/oGjN.txt here, scan any of these and you're committing a federal offence |
| 16:01 |
Megaf |
sfan5: ssh |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
>federal offense |
| 16:02 |
sfan5 |
kek |
| 16:02 |
aix |
offence |
| 16:02 |
aix |
sorry america |
| 16:02 |
sfan5 |
what if i'm not in the US |
| 16:02 |
aix |
yeah if you're in the uk it's all good |
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| 16:02 |
aix |
which you are, right? |
| 16:02 |
T4im |
sfan5: then they will surveille you and interecept all your traffic; oh wait, they're already doing that |
| 16:02 |
aix |
oh well who cares |
| 16:02 |
sfan5 |
aix: nah, germany |
| 16:03 |
aix |
oh |
| 16:03 |
aix |
even better |
| 16:03 |
T4im |
in germany it's actually a grey zone, too |
| 16:03 |
edaq |
arguably it is not tresspassing aix |
| 16:03 |
aix |
more freedom of information there |
| 16:03 |
aix |
i think |
| 16:03 |
edaq |
its only illegal if you break in |
| 16:03 |
aix |
it's actually pretty fun to scan them |
| 16:03 |
edaq |
simply pinging a port is not illegal |
| 16:03 |
* Megaf |
waits for security reports (via pvt) about his server |
| 16:03 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: that port is on nmaps list of ports to scan |
| 16:03 |
sfan5 |
i'd suggest using something else |
| 16:03 |
edaq |
correction |
| 16:03 |
aix |
i mean it did come in a file called "DO NOT NMAP/SCAN THESE IPS" |
| 16:03 |
edaq |
pinging a port once is not illegal |
| 16:03 |
aix |
without the slash |
| 16:03 |
T4im |
edaq: but preparing for an attack by scanning for vulnerabilities is |
| 16:04 |
T4im |
and that's the grey zone there |
| 16:04 |
edaq |
pinging a port a 1000 times is |
| 16:04 |
aix |
is it? |
| 16:04 |
edaq |
they cannot prove intent to attack |
| 16:04 |
edaq |
all they can do is harass you |
| 16:04 |
aix |
who |
| 16:04 |
aix |
who's they |
| 16:04 |
T4im |
sure, if you want to push it :P |
| 16:04 |
edaq |
the us.mil sites |
| 16:04 |
edaq |
but I dont care to port scan them |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
sfan5: done |
| 16:04 |
sfan5 |
edaq: if your ISP gets enough abuse noticed they'll kick you out |
| 16:05 |
Megaf |
I'm using something else now |
| 16:05 |
aix |
http://corz.org/public/docs/security/dont%20scan%20these%20ips.pdf oh good they're public domain |
| 16:05 |
edaq |
sfan5, aside from stealth scans |
| 16:05 |
edaq |
you can use proxy |
| 16:05 |
edaq |
and ip spoofing |
| 16:05 |
aix |
luckily I use a internet provider that doesn't care about anything |
| 16:06 |
sfan5 |
ip spoofing doesn't work in 2016 |
| 16:06 |
aix |
i think it's illegal not to block some sites such as thepiratebay in the uk |
| 16:06 |
T4im |
again: if you scan too intensively in best case you land on blacklists |
| 16:06 |
aix |
>zero fucks given |
| 16:06 |
edaq |
right T4im |
| 16:06 |
edaq |
if you port scan spam |
| 16:06 |
edaq |
there are stealth modes that walk the ports randomly |
| 16:07 |
edaq |
and with random wait times |
| 16:07 |
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| 16:07 |
edaq |
also |
| 16:07 |
aix |
or you can use multiple nodes |
| 16:07 |
T4im |
and you think a SIEM system of a blacklist provider doesn't know those tricks? |
| 16:07 |
aix |
like distnmap or whatever it was called |
| 16:07 |
edaq |
my isp does not care about anything at all(even if its users can connect) |
| 16:07 |
aix |
^ same |
| 16:08 |
aix |
my isp is in fact also a server host |
| 16:08 |
edaq |
they would put you on hold for 20 hours to pay your bill |
| 16:08 |
aix |
a pretty bad one at that |
| 16:08 |
edaq |
a complaint would take more hours |
| 16:08 |
T4im |
they don't like to be paid? :o |
| 16:08 |
aix |
yup |
| 16:08 |
edaq |
I feel sorry for who ever tries to complain to them |
| 16:08 |
aix |
getting paid sucks |
| 16:09 |
aix |
!server light |
| 16:09 |
MinetestBot |
aix: Light creative | 178.79.185.175:30005 | Clients: 5/24, 5/8 | Version: 0.4.14 / stabilizer | Ping: 7ms |
| 16:09 |
T4im |
if they really don't care about anything, thought about operating a tor exit node? :3 |
| 16:09 |
aix |
uh no |
| 16:09 |
aix |
!server Lightning |
| 16:09 |
MinetestBot |
aix: Lightning | tau.aix.ovh | Clients: 0/32, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / lightning | Ping: 8ms |
| 16:09 |
edaq |
nice do not scan list btw :) |
| 16:09 |
aix |
why thank you |
| 16:09 |
aix |
i even have some scripts to derive from it |
| 16:09 |
edaq |
I will rename it to scan list and send it to troll net lol |
| 16:09 |
aix |
expanding generates a few gigabytes of data |
| 16:09 |
edaq |
kidding |
| 16:09 |
edaq |
nice |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
Those pings |
| 16:10 |
edaq |
I love scripts |
| 16:10 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: well it doesn't look like you have anything open which shouldn't be |
| 16:10 |
edaq |
I have a script for starting my minetest |
| 16:10 |
edaq |
starts it on a second screen automatically |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
I wonder if anyone can brute force over ssh |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
or something |
| 16:10 |
sfan5 |
brute force what |
| 16:10 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/cscu.txt https://sr.ht/7071.txt https://sr.ht/EIO4.txt happy hacking |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
I dont know, try several passwords for root for example |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
if you've enabled password login |
| 16:11 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/v9TP.txt last one i promise |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
yes they can |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
sfan5: did you manage to get any OS information? |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
havent tried that yet |
| 16:11 |
* Megaf |
likes txt, works well on w3m |
| 16:11 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/hHLR.txt https://sr.ht/2wIS.txt final ones this time |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
https://sr.ht/v9TP.txt is not opening tho |
| 16:12 |
aix |
i never realised how sad i was |
| 16:12 |
aix |
isn't it? |
| 16:12 |
aix |
do you have ipv6? |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
hm, w3m cant open txt maybe |
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sfan5 |
Megaf: "No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal)." but "Aggressive OS guesses: Linux 2.6.32 (95%), Linux 2.6.32 - 3.1 (95%)" |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
2.6.32-042stab093.4 |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
well done nmap |
| 16:13 |
aix |
um. |
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| 16:13 |
aix |
oh that's not me |
| 16:13 |
sfan5 |
aix: why would i portscan you >.> |
| 16:14 |
aix |
:3 |
| 16:14 |
aix |
its actually an OS scan :D |
| 16:14 |
aix |
it's -A right |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
i went with -O and -F |
| 16:14 |
aix |
ah |
| 16:14 |
aix |
wait what do those do |
| 16:15 |
sfan5 |
-O -- OS detection |
| 16:15 |
aix |
i'm used to using -A for OS fingerprinting |
| 16:15 |
sfan5 |
-F -- try 100 instead of 1000 ports |
| 16:15 |
aix |
oh i guess -A does everything |
| 16:15 |
Megaf |
weird, my browsers cant open your links aix, but Quassel IRC can show a preview of them |
| 16:15 |
Megaf |
yes, I have IPv6 |
| 16:16 |
sfan5 |
sr.ht's IPv6 is broken anyway |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
ok |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
will force v4 then |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
yep, no problems with v4 |
| 16:16 |
sfan5 |
most browsers downgrade if v6 doesn't work |
| 16:17 |
shamoanjac |
agrecascino, save me from this nothing I've become |
| 16:17 |
shamoanjac |
(wake me up) |
| 16:17 |
sfan5 |
wake me up inside |
| 16:17 |
shamoanjac |
can't wake up |
| 16:17 |
agrecascino |
SAVE ME |
| 16:17 |
shamoanjac |
GUI modding is such a mess |
| 16:17 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, you're the banners mod guy right? |
| 16:17 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 16:18 |
shamoanjac |
now I have to add callbacks to the buttons |
| 16:18 |
agrecascino |
i'm going to make some function for modifying power for factions |
| 16:18 |
agrecascino |
so when someone places a faction banner, their faction gains power |
| 16:19 |
Megaf |
sfan5: well, not lynx, w3m not epiphany as it seems |
| 16:19 |
Megaf |
s/not/nor |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
even curl does it |
| 16:20 |
Megaf |
wget didn't |
| 16:20 |
Megaf |
well, curl did it |
| 16:21 |
Megaf |
actuall, I got a weird python thing frm https://sr.ht/hHLR.txt |
| 16:21 |
Megaf |
aix: ^ |
| 16:22 |
Megaf |
aix: http://paste.debian.net/plain/786218 |
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T4im |
if you detect os on a server, please use p0f |
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| 16:37 |
Krock |
http://pastebin.com/raw/BkiZKQYk |
| 16:37 |
Krock |
^ Calinou |
| 16:41 |
Calinou |
everypony uses the same mods :] |
| 16:42 |
T4im |
homedecor doesn't turn up? O_o |
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| 16:44 |
Krock |
looks like homedecor isn't installed there |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
nope, no homedecor |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
decorative mods are unlikely to land on my server, I don't think they actively increase creativity, also minetest_game has quite a bit of those now |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
there could be even more if I started my world with mgv7 instead of v6 |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
(probably should have, but well) |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
there'd be dry grass biomes for example |
| 16:45 |
agaran |
Calinou: crashed your server again.. |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
Any other server to analzye? |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
*analyze |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
Krock: VE Creative? :P |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
the one with Dreambuilder |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
"VanessaE's creative-building server. "? |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
VanessaE's Dreambuilder creative server. |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
this one |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
VanessaE's Dreambuilder creative-mode server. |
| 16:48 |
Krock |
oh ok |
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| 16:50 |
aix |
i might make a forum post about my server |
| 16:51 |
aix |
is there a naming convention? |
| 16:51 |
Calinou |
me too |
| 16:51 |
Calinou |
no |
| 16:51 |
aix |
is there an accepted naming scheme? |
| 16:52 |
aix |
that's just my way of asking "the fuck do i call it" |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
look on Servers forum, you probably can deduce a pattern |
| 16:52 |
aix |
[version] desc (location) ? |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
maybe |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
I'd use [Mode] description [version] |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
Creative/Survival or such |
| 16:54 |
aix |
"[Survival] Lightning Server [0.4.14-dev-2ba8ad1]" ? |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
just say 0.4.14-dev |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
no need to say exact commit :P |
| 16:55 |
Krock |
http://pastebin.com/raw/ZMy16qv6 <-- Dreambuilder |
| 16:55 |
Krock |
had to write the indenting function first.. styled the previous analysis manually |
| 16:57 |
Krock |
That's based on the total servers. Could change it, so it multiplies the mod by the online players - would look a bit different in that case |
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| 17:10 |
Krock |
aix, http://pastebin.com/raw/f28ATH2f |
| 17:11 |
Hijiri |
anyone play minetest TNG? |
| 17:11 |
Hijiri |
Is there a manual? |
| 17:11 |
Hijiri |
also it seems like the woods are not in the wood group, since I can't make stick from them |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
check for a wiki on Github or any other links in the readme |
| 17:13 |
Krock |
or the forum topic |
| 17:13 |
Hijiri |
I checked both |
| 17:13 |
Hijiri |
I'll check again though, I didn't check that hard |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
maybe there's no documentation and you'll have to ask LNJ for help |
| 17:14 |
Hijiri |
that doesn't sound scalable |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
huh? scalable? |
| 17:15 |
Hijiri |
if every user has to ask LNJ for help |
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| 17:15 |
Krock |
yes, somewhen he will make a better documention about it |
| 17:15 |
Krock |
just ask him |
| 17:15 |
swift110-phone |
whats tng? |
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| 17:15 |
Krock |
the next game (logo looks prey much like the next generation) |
| 17:15 |
Hijiri |
it's originally a fork of Minetest Next |
| 17:16 |
swift110-phone |
star trek? |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
*pretty much |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
yes, star trek |
| 17:16 |
swift110-phone |
ok cool |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
but it's a minetest game |
| 17:16 |
swift110-phone |
I was thinking of doing something like sim ant on minetest |
| 17:20 |
* Krock |
wanz more servers zo analyz |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
*to |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
aren't 150 enough? |
| 17:22 |
Krock |
sfan5, yes sure they're enough but nobody would be interested in them :< |
| 17:23 |
* Krock |
feels like he made something cool and cries while sitting in a corner because he has noticed that no-one cares about it |
| 17:24 |
T4im |
do you have an overall overview? |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
T4im, something like this? http://i.imgur.com/FPvAuHi.png (made yesterday) |
| 17:26 |
sfan5 |
Krock: you can barely read something on that, keep it to 15 mods |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
sfan5, a shorter version of it can be found in the minetest wiki |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
top 30, there |
| 17:27 |
T4im |
ah, thanks, yea |
| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
but it has more than 15 |
| 17:28 |
sfan5 |
still not good for readability |
| 17:28 |
agaran |
would be nice if client have gamma adjustment.. |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
oh noes. too much information. call the mafia |
| 17:28 |
* T4im |
already has a stiff neck from it though |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
agaran, there's a gamma setting |
| 17:28 |
agaran |
Krock: where? |
| 17:28 |
Krock |
minetest.conf.example ? |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
# display_gamma = 1.8 |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
however, even setting it to 1 (min value) does not really brighten it |
| 17:29 |
agaran |
wow, thx |
| 17:29 |
Krock |
!next |
| 17:29 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 17:30 |
agaran |
problem is that on nvidia on linux I have everything much darker than on laptop with integrated intel.. |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
isn't that rather a screen issue? |
| 17:31 |
agaran |
everything else looks normally as long as it does not use OpenGL.. |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
sounds pretty strange |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
never had that issue |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
agaran: if you use shaders, you can edit the shader code to make everything brighter |
| 17:39 |
agaran |
tried changing gamma.. if thats enough I am not going to fight more :) |
| 17:40 |
agrecascino |
for some reason i just clipped into a block |
| 17:40 |
Krock |
Oh yes, that happens suddenly from time to time |
| 17:40 |
shamoanjac |
no it's because u r a wizerd agrecascino |
| 17:40 |
agrecascino |
:^) |
| 17:41 |
* Krock |
gives agrecascino a non-flying broom |
| 17:43 |
shamoanjac |
the GUI API is terrible reeee |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
we should just have integrated libRocket or Nuklear |
| 17:44 |
shamoanjac |
why isn't my function in minetest.register_on_receive_player_fields() not executing? |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
or even full Qt, but then people like hmmmm would go mad :D |
| 17:44 |
shamoanjac |
pls no Nuclear |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
why not? |
| 17:44 |
shamoanjac |
Nuclear is a guy who sometimes wanders on Rizon |
| 17:45 |
shamoanjac |
shitposting about computers |
| 17:45 |
shamoanjac |
stuff like "I own 73 data centers across the whole US, and have recently signed a contract with the DoD for a bit over 200 million dollars." |
| 17:45 |
shamoanjac |
truly a shitpost master |
| 17:46 |
aix |
Less common mods: (makes the server special) awh |
| 17:46 |
Krock |
tell him to join #dontjoinitsatrap |
| 17:46 |
shamoanjac |
he also likes to talk about performing sexual intercourse with felines |
| 17:46 |
aix |
also |
| 17:46 |
aix |
RE: http://pastebin.com/raw/f28ATH2f that's not all the mods |
| 17:47 |
shamoanjac |
tbh a Qt integration wouldn't have been bad |
| 17:47 |
shamoanjac |
is there a way to attach metadata to an open form? |
| 17:47 |
aix |
should i call the topic "Lightning" or "Lightning Server" |
| 17:47 |
nolsen |
Why are there alot of spanish speaking users on this android. |
| 17:47 |
* nolsen |
builds a firewall |
| 17:47 |
shamoanjac |
because Latin America |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
shamoanjac: I don't think we should judge software based on its developers |
| 17:47 |
nolsen |
Now this firewall will get 10MB larger |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
judging it based on its community is understandable, but about individual people, not really... |
| 17:48 |
aix |
Server: Player with the name "Colin5111" tried to connect from ::ffff:84.203.3.134 but it was disallowed for the following reason: You can have no more than two numbers in a row in your name. the new regexes are working swimmingly |
| 17:48 |
nolsen |
#MakeMinetestEnglishAgain |
| 17:48 |
shamoanjac |
Calinou, Nuclear is certainly not the guy behind Nuklear |
| 17:48 |
shamoanjac |
I thought you'd have understood |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 17:48 |
shamoanjac |
Nuclear is just someone unrelated who shitposts about fucking cats |
| 17:49 |
aix |
shamoanjac: fucking cats or fucking cats? |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
aix, oh right. these with 0% weren't added |
| 17:49 |
shamoanjac |
fucking cats. |
| 17:49 |
aix |
Krock: b-but 0% is impossible |
| 17:49 |
aix |
is fucking an adjective or a verb |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
aix, that means it's less than 1% |
| 17:49 |
shamoanjac |
a verb |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
b-but isn't a correct word anyway |
| 17:50 |
nolsen |
!server [TUSS] |
| 17:50 |
MinetestBot |
nolsen: [TUSS] The Ultimate Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 2/15, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 165ms |
| 17:50 |
Krock |
I'd say it's an adjective. It describes something |
| 17:51 |
aix |
how do i make a banner with gimp? |
| 17:51 |
aix |
i saw it on a topic once |
| 17:51 |
aix |
okay forget the gimp part, what looks good in a banner? |
| 17:52 |
shamoanjac |
contrast |
| 17:52 |
shamoanjac |
blends nicely with the background of your website |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
aix, please do Ctrl+F5 on the pastebin |
| 17:53 |
Krock |
even 0% would be added but there's none o.o |
| 17:53 |
aix |
awesome |
| 17:54 |
shamoanjac |
does anyone know how to attach metadata to a formspec? |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
something like ${variable_name} adds the metadata value |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
to a text |
| 17:55 |
shamoanjac |
the dollar symbol in Lua? |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
yes |
| 17:56 |
shamoanjac |
thanks, I'll try |
| 17:56 |
Krock |
example: "label[1,1;2,1;Metadata of 'cookies' is ${cookies}]" when you did meta:set_int("cookies", XX) |
| 17:57 |
shamoanjac |
uhm |
| 17:57 |
shamoanjac |
would that metadata be unique for each client? |
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shamoanjac |
oh right I think I'm getting it |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
would running minetestmapper (c/c++) on a running world (minetestserver) cause problems? |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
I don't remember :/ |
| 17:58 |
sfan5 |
do you use sqlite? |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
I'm on SQLite currently :| |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
well, the reading of the database could block some Minetest write actions |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
seems to work well |
| 18:02 |
shamoanjac |
Krock, I don't understand that metadata thing and I find nothing in the Lua documentation |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
http://vps.rubenwardy.com/map_la.png |
| 18:02 |
aix |
what's the preferred way of attaching images? |
| 18:02 |
shamoanjac |
where does that meta:set_int() come from? |
| 18:03 |
shamoanjac |
minetest.get_meta()? |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
yes, from minetest.get_meta(pos) |
| 18:04 |
shamoanjac |
okay so this won't work for what I need |
| 18:04 |
shamoanjac |
3 "image[2.1,0.8;6.09,3;4image goes here3]" |
| 18:05 |
shamoanjac |
the red part is what I'm trying to keep updated with metadata |
| 18:05 |
shamoanjac |
I'm using a "banner creator" block |
| 18:05 |
shamoanjac |
which has attached a formspec |
| 18:05 |
shamoanjac |
by clicking on buttons, tranformations (texture + color) are stacked and displayed |
| 18:06 |
shamoanjac |
what I need is to stock this stack somewhere |
| 18:07 |
shamoanjac |
if I use block metadata, then banner creation cannot be concurrent on the same block |
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shamoanjac |
n-no one? ;_; |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
shamoanjac: can't you use stuff like image[foo,bar;${metanamehere}] |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
i remeber seeing that somewhere |
| 18:21 |
shamoanjac |
yes but where does that metadata come from? |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
you can use that in a formspec set directly on a node (e.g. chest) |
| 18:21 |
shamoanjac |
the thing about editing the metadata of the node is that it would be shared across players |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
then the metadata of that node will be considered |
| 18:22 |
shamoanjac |
it's a solution in a way, but a quite bad one |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
also register_on_player_receive_fields takes a 3function(player, formname, fields) |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
I'm not sure how to get metadata of a node inside that function |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
since there is no pos argument |
| 18:24 |
sfan5 |
been there done that |
| 18:25 |
sfan5 |
shamoanjac: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L129 |
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sfan5 |
basically i open the formspec manually and call it foobar_<x>_<y>_<z> |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
there's also the way of storing the players and the node positions in a table when they opened the formspec |
| 18:26 |
sfan5 |
then when i get it back i can parse the position from the name |
| 18:29 |
KaadmY |
there's a function to set/get node metadata at a pos |
| 18:29 |
KaadmY |
forget what it's called |
| 18:30 |
KaadmY |
but it's used; you can look at the default mod's chests |
| 18:30 |
KaadmY |
they use node metadata and also display it in the formspec |
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aix |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15270 thoughts? |
| 18:36 |
KaadmY |
aix: i replied |
| 18:38 |
Krock |
KaadmY, rather use this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXMskKTw3Bc |
| 18:38 |
aix |
=D |
| 18:38 |
aix |
how do i compile with ncurses? |
| 18:38 |
aix |
i've installed so much |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
-DENABLE_NCURSES=1 ? |
| 18:39 |
aix |
it's USE_NCURSES and it doesn't help |
| 18:39 |
aix |
-- Could NOT find Ncursesw (missing: CURSES_LIBRARY) |
| 18:40 |
KaadmY |
Krock: nice video explaining how to generate obsidian |
| 18:40 |
KaadmY |
aix: then you need ncurses |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
it helps everywhere |
| 18:40 |
aix |
how do i get ncurses |
| 18:42 |
KaadmY |
https://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ncurses.html |
| 18:42 |
KaadmY |
i think that's it |
| 18:42 |
aix |
libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. |
| 18:42 |
KaadmY |
hmm |
| 18:42 |
KaadmY |
libncurses5 or whatever also? |
| 18:42 |
KaadmY |
that's the libaries missing, not the headers i think |
| 18:43 |
aix |
libncurses5 is already the newest version. |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
aix, I another reply for you |
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aix |
lol |
| 18:44 |
aix |
if people visited it, there'd be no topic :P |
| 18:44 |
KaadmY |
;_; |
| 18:45 |
KaadmY |
Void7: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15270 |
| 18:45 |
KaadmY |
aix's server |
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| 18:46 |
KaadmY |
try to watch Krocks vids, there's some really good clips from playing on there |
| 18:46 |
aix |
hrm? |
| 18:46 |
aix |
where |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
huh? |
| 18:46 |
aix |
^ |
| 18:48 |
aix |
what kind of file is a library |
| 18:49 |
aix |
do i need to compile this or do i just need the headers |
| 18:49 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/MnQG.txt what |
| 18:50 |
KaadmY |
no |
| 18:51 |
KaadmY |
if it's a system package, ie. from apt-get on linux, it should just work out of the box |
| 18:51 |
KaadmY |
you have to compile it into minetest though |
| 18:51 |
KaadmY |
then run "make" in the same directory the CMakeCache.txt is in |
| 18:51 |
KaadmY |
should be the current directory |
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aix |
okay well it says it's been found so let's do |
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aix |
https://sr.ht/6rLb.txt ... |
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KaadmY |
can't find the "s" library.. |
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KaadmY |
never heard of it |
| 18:57 |
KaadmY |
huh |
| 18:57 |
KaadmY |
i have it |
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KaadmY |
no idea what it's for |
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aix |
what do i put there? |
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Krock |
the real path to that .so file or however it is called on linux |
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aix |
https://sr.ht/4TuE.txt -.- |
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Ethernity |
hello |
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Krock |
Hello |
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Ethernity |
I am wondering how to start the development process. There are a great number of mods, so where do I start the process? |
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KaadmY |
wow |
| 19:01 |
KaadmY |
wow |
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KaadmY |
aix: you have about 30 libs |
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KaadmY |
i have 1500 |
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aix |
oh |
| 19:01 |
aix |
they're in |
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aix |
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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KaadmY |
heh |
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KaadmY |
yes |
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aix |
oh there's a fuckton in there |
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Ethernity |
And if i used arch linux would that be easier than a debian based distro? |
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KaadmY |
those are the system libs |
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Krock |
Ethernity, maybe you want to read much: http://dev.minetest.net/Intro |
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aix |
okat time to make |
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KaadmY |
Ethernity: arch is likely more difficult |
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Ethernity |
I used Arch in the past, but debian usually it more straight forward imo |
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Krock |
Ethernity, but the best way to learn is always the one with experiments. So copy a mod and extend it with some features. (should be a simple one to start with) |
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Ethernity |
And I understand they use Lua, but I prefer to use something more efficient |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
then get LuaJIT, it's almost as efficient as C++ |
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aix |
basic machines is bugged |
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Ethernity |
Interesting |
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Ethernity |
Has anyone played Minetest TNG by any chance? |
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aix |
most mods don't even do "if not player then return end" |
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Krock |
Got the same question to hours ago, Ethernity. Looks like you must contact LNJ to get help |
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aix |
which means some commands crash in terminal mode |
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Ethernity |
Are you primarily a dev or player Krock? |
| 19:24 |
Krock |
an indev player :< |
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Krock |
Sometimes I play, sometimes I develop, sometimes I just watch the people chatting with each other |
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Ethernity |
Curious, why doesn't the main Minetest have any ping\lag numbers? |
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Ethernity |
For server listing |
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Megaf |
paper made binary calculator! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siawhQBRC8I |
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Megaf |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Paper Calculator - Numberphile - YouTube |
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Megaf |
ElectronLibre: ^ |
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Krock |
I want a 8bit adder on paper :) |
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ElectronLibre |
That'd be nice to have |
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Krock |
A1 paper :3 |
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rubenwardy |
any nginx gurus here? This doesn't work: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/785328c4e40671847ccb695006e486aa#file-default-L31 |
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aix |
which part |
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aix |
try using alias on line 43 |
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rubenwardy |
Trying to get vps.rubenwardy.com/ to go to /home/a/public_http, except for vps.rubenwardy.com/minetest/* which goes to /home/b/public_http |
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aix |
yeah, use alias |
| 19:41 |
rubenwardy |
but minetest/ gets 404 |
| 19:41 |
rubenwardy |
ok |
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rubenwardy |
thank |
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aix |
and maybe put the part about 404 last |
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aix |
and the minetest location first |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: that try_files thing is pretty useless imo |
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aix |
is it possible to sort servers by the user count? |
| 19:52 |
Megaf |
I'm testing with HHVM myself |
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Megaf |
I first started using it as PHP mod on Lighttpd, then with nginx, now I'm testing running it standalone |
| 19:53 |
Megaf |
forum.casemodbr.org is HHVM standalone |
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Megaf |
pretty happy the the resources use by HHVM |
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aix |
!server UNIX |
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MinetestBot |
aix: Lightning (UNIX geeks) | tau.aix.ovh | Clients: 0/32, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / lightning | Ping: 9ms |
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aix |
okay |
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Megaf |
hm |
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aix |
renaming it to something i'd actually click |
| 19:59 |
Megaf |
I like the name |
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* Megaf |
will check it out |
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aix |
It attracts the right kind of audience |
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aix |
I think |
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Megaf |
well, on Megaf Server we have Electronic Engineers, Computer Engineers and Mechanical Engineers |
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Megaf |
and a bunch of 34+ years old people |
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Megaf |
I'm 29 |
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aix |
I'm uhh |
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aix |
less than that |
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Megaf |
and I'm the computer engineer |
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Megaf |
well, almost |
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aix |
I don't get is |
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aix |
is that a minetest title |
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aix |
or an actual real life thing |
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Megaf |
I don't get what you don't get |
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aix |
i'd say profession but in most cases it's just a hobby |
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aix |
lol |
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aix |
nevermind |
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Megaf |
connecting by the way |
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Ethernity |
HHVM may be useful, but I think it's time to move to standard Compiled modules or something |
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Ethernity |
The web software should be able to perform basic functions that PHP or Javascript server side is doing. |
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[git] Jeija -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix bug introduced in previous commit that broke all logic blocks 778ee42 https://git.io/v6eMw (2016-07-31T22:26:33+02:00) |
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shamoanjac |
is there a way to check whether an ObjectRef is a player? |
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T4im |
* `is_player()`: returns true for players, false otherwise |
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shamoanjac |
welp, looks like the wiki needs an update |
| 20:37 |
shamoanjac |
thanks |
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shamoanjac |
and no way to get the player name? |
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shamoanjac |
can't find it |
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shamoanjac |
or is it in get_properties()? |
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shamoanjac |
ah right there's get_player_name |
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shamoanjac |
oh good god |
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shamoanjac |
properties are listed as methods |
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paramat |
Calinou are you a forum mod? please can you sticky this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=15272 |
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Calinou |
paramat: done |
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paramat |
thanks |
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agrecascino |
how would i go about increasing the speed of my minetest server |
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rubenwardy |
aix, sfan5: that worked. http://vps.rubenwardy.com/minetest/map_la.png |
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aix |
nice map |
| 21:25 |
rubenwardy |
the try_files was just from the example code given |
| 21:27 |
Calinou |
agrecascino: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 |
| 21:27 |
nolsen |
!mod factions |
| 21:27 |
MinetestBot |
nolsen: Factions (sapier's) [factions] by sapier - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5919 |
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agrecascino |
no offense, but minetest servers run really slow |
| 21:28 |
nolsen |
!server [T |
| 21:28 |
MinetestBot |
nolsen: LEGO Creative -=[TPS]=- The Pixel Shadow | servers.minetest.tv:30005 | Clients: 13/75, 13/24 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / tps_lego | Ping: 125ms |
| 21:28 |
nolsen |
er |
| 21:28 |
nolsen |
!server [TUSS] |
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MinetestBot |
nolsen: [TUSS] The Ultimate Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 0/15, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 156ms |
| 21:28 |
nolsen |
156ms |
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nolsen |
y so high |
| 21:28 |
Calinou |
agrecascino: make sure you don't use mods that are known to be slow, also optimize your settings and get better hardware if possible :P |
| 21:29 |
nolsen |
Calinou: There needs to be a guide on what to set the optimization settings to efficiently use the hardware. |
| 21:29 |
nolsen |
Like what should I set for a dual core xeon processor, with 2GB of RAM, 5TB bandwidth, and 300Mbps internet speed. |
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nolsen |
2 processors. |
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nolsen |
not 2 cores |
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agrecascino |
i have a 6 core xeon with 32gbs and it still runs slow |
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nolsen |
agrecascino: What is the bandwidth speed? |
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agrecascino |
gigabit |
| 21:30 |
nolsen |
Then it might be minetest. |
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agrecascino |
how would i cache results in my factions mod |
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rubenwardy |
what are you making, agrecascino? |
| 21:37 |
nolsen |
The death star. |
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nolsen |
!mod death star |
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MinetestBot |
nolsen: Could not find anything. |
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nolsen |
aw |
| 21:37 |
nolsen |
No such mod |
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agrecascino |
a factions mod |
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nolsen |
someone pls make, I want to be able to blow up worlds. |
| 21:37 |
agrecascino |
basically a fork of sapiers to add fun mechanics |
| 21:38 |
rubenwardy |
ctf_pvp_engine was originally designed to make city vs city gameplay possible - people make bases and forts, and capture them |
| 21:38 |
Calinou |
sapier's mods are not known to be lightweight :) |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
but I never got around to making all the features |
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aix |
how exactly do i make an automated smelter with the tech mods? |
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aix |
i tried something but it just spews out ores before they're cooked |
| 21:40 |
nolsen |
!mod irc |
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MinetestBot |
nolsen: Internet Relay Chat [irc] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3905 |
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nolsen |
!mod email |
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MinetestBot |
nolsen: Email [email] - Send email like messages by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13754 |
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shamoanjac |
Minetest API feels like trench war |
| 21:44 |
shamoanjac |
every step costs hundreds of lives |
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agrecascino |
shamoanjac, truly |
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agrecascino |
though more like hundreds of ticks |
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shamoanjac |
this GUI thing is just horrible |
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agrecascino |
c++ api when? |
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shamoanjac |
when you create buttons you can't just give them a callback function |
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shamoanjac |
nooo |
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shamoanjac |
you have to register a global callback that will get called on every GUI interaction ever |
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shamoanjac |
and then have a shitton of if elseif to determine which button has been pressed |
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shamoanjac |
and don't expect to get proper arguments for callbacks |
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nolsen |
Such a shame, the IRC mod doesn't use SSL. |
| 21:48 |
shamoanjac |
also no GUI state |
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shamoanjac |
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 21:49 |
shamoanjac |
4I WANT A GUI STATE |
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agrecascino |
nolsen, if you can connect to an irc server using minetest |
| 21:49 |
shamoanjac |
4NOT EXTERNAL METADATA |
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agrecascino |
couldn't you use dcc to stream data to the client? |
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rubenwardy |
shamoanjac, formspecs are easily the worst part |
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rubenwardy |
but: |
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rubenwardy |
!mod smartfs |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
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rubenwardy |
!mod smart formspec |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Smart Formspecs by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7553 |
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rubenwardy |
and |
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rubenwardy |
!mod formpec |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
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rubenwardy |
!mod [formpsec] |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
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rubenwardy |
!mod [formpsec] |
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rubenwardy |
!mod [formpsecs] |
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shamoanjac |
please find |
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rubenwardy |
!mod [formpsecs] |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Could not find anything. |
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agrecascino |
should i cache results from my testing function for my callback? |
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shamoanjac |
please tell me there is a sane GUI mod |
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rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15244 |
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shamoanjac |
please tell me there is light at the end of the tunnel |
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rubenwardy |
see either of those links, shamoanjac |
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shamoanjac |
thanks for putting hope back in my life rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
smartfs is more developed |
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rubenwardy |
but formspec framework has a slightly nicer creation api |
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rubenwardy |
formspec framework: Image({x=0,y=0,w=1,h=1,src="bleh.png"}) vs formspec: state:image(0, 0, 1, 1, "bleh.png") |
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rubenwardy |
but formspec framework doesn't have bindings for buttons |
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rubenwardy |
with smartfs you can do button:bind(function() print("bleh") end) |
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agrecascino |
no but seriously how should i optimize my mod |
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aix |
is there a mod that can temporarile disable a nametag of a player? |
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rubenwardy |
agrecascino: try the mod profiler |
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shamoanjac |
well I definitely need bindings so the choice is clear |
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Hijiri |
shamoanjac: when you use smartfs note this bug: https://github.com/minetest-mods/smartfs/issues/10 |
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Hijiri |
you can work around it with minetest.after |
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shamoanjac |
thanks |
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shamoanjac |
is the smartfs.lua enough on its own? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
you can include only the smartfs file in your mod |
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shamoanjac |
cool |
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shamoanjac |
don't you have a license? |
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rubenwardy |
it's WTFPL |
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shamoanjac |
oh right I've just seen it |
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shamoanjac |
coo |
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rubenwardy |
added license: https://github.com/minetest-mods/smartfs/blob/master/smartfs.lua |
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agrecascino |
rubenwardy, how do i enable the mod profiler |
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rubenwardy |
profiler.load = true I think |
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agrecascino |
put this in the world.mt? |
| 22:04 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.conf |
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rubenwardy |
usage here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4245 |
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nolsen |
Apparently, on my server, cotton and wheat aren't growing :\ |
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nolsen |
according to Hijiri |
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agrecascino |
what does server_dedicated do? |
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Megaf |
So, why do you use Linux? |
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Megaf |
Why not OS X, DragonFly or MorphOS |
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agrecascino |
because drivers |
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Megaf |
I see |
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Megaf |
I use it because of the software available, drivers and flexibility |
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Megaf |
and because it is reasonbly stable and efficient |
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agrecascino |
there's actually a lot you can do with a 16gb msata ssd |
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agrecascino |
will there ever be clientside lua in minetest |
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agrecascino |
that servers can deliver to client? |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
its a goal |
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est31 |
but dunno when it will be actually implemented :)= |
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agrecascino |
i was thinking of ideas for that |
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agrecascino |
like a subset that you can use on clients |
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agrecascino |
and you can make a function run clientside by adding the 'clientside' identifier to it |
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agrecascino |
and using something like a future for return values |
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est31 |
won't be that easy |
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est31 |
future support in lua is very bad |
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agrecascino |
c++ api when? |
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agrecascino |
you know what |
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est31 |
I mean its possible but it has such a weak type system |
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agrecascino |
we need interpreted c++ |
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octacian |
What do you guys think about Minetest and Twitter? |
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KaadmY |
octacian: i'm not on twitter personally, but i think it might get attention then |
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octacian |
The issue is, someone already has @Minetest, and if we want to get it back celeron55 has to apply at |
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octacian |
https://support.twitter.com/forms/impersonation |
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est31 |
the @Minetest account was registered before even c55 had the idea to write minetest |
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est31 |
or idk, when did he have the idea |
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nolsen |
est31: Or did he? |
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nolsen |
It might be an outside job. |
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octacian |
It's not being used by the account owner. |
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est31 |
The initial commit in the repo is november 2010 |
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octacian |
Which means that it would likely at least get the attention of Twitter and maybe the account owner. |
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est31 |
he has worked on it earlier as well, so dont know when he actually started it and chose the name |
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octacian |
Well, it was originally minetest-c55, so it might have been around for a while before. |
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est31 |
well there are some semi official twitter accounts of minetest around |
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octacian |
Yeah, but it's not @Minetest lol. |
| 23:02 |
octacian |
See my forums post https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15190 (I'm endev15 on the forums) |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
minetest doesnt have a clear border of "officiality" |
| 23:03 |
octacian |
still |
| 23:03 |
octacian |
If we got something more "official" going on, such as a twitter account, I think a lot more people would notice MT. |
| 23:04 |
octacian |
Anyways, I'll be back in a while. If/when celeron55 comes on IRC, this might be worth mentioning... |
| 23:04 |
est31 |
maybe |
| 23:04 |
est31 |
he rarely joins this channel, mostly joins the #minetest-dev one |
| 23:05 |
octacian |
OK, I'll check there when I get back. |
| 23:06 |
octacian |
Oh, he's there right now. Guess I'll have to wait though lol |
| 23:06 |
est31 |
also, if you want to maintain that account, we need to establish a way to get hold over it when you dont have fun tweeting with it anymore |
| 23:06 |
est31 |
because twitter is full with semi official minetest accounts :) |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
https://twitter.com/Minetest_c55 |
| 23:09 |
nolsen |
Why not just create @MinetestOfficial |
| 23:09 |
est31 |
there was this character limit thing? |
| 23:10 |
est31 |
of it being one character too wide |
| 23:11 |
agrecascino |
twitter is lame |
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| 23:11 |
agrecascino |
social networking is lame |
| 23:11 |
est31 |
O.o |
| 23:11 |
est31 |
found this project thanks to twitter http://minetestedu.com/ |
| 23:11 |
est31 |
nice |
| 23:12 |
agrecascino |
i mean |
| 23:12 |
agrecascino |
it makes more sense then minecraftedu |
| 23:12 |
est31 |
doesnt have more than a website though, it seems |
| 23:12 |
est31 |
however, its a nice website thats good |
| 23:13 |
est31 |
hrmm maybe its this one project I've heard of... |
| 23:13 |
est31 |
that one oldcoder was involved in |
| 23:18 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 23:18 |
* OldCoder |
is resting but here later |
| 23:22 |
shamoanjac |
as Richard Stallman (PBUH) once said, teaching kids to use proprietary software is like teaching them to smoke. |
| 23:22 |
shamoanjac |
GNU'ran 5.9 |
| 23:23 |
shamoanjac |
I remember the old days of minetest-c55 |
| 23:23 |
shamoanjac |
the old days of 0.3 |
| 23:23 |
nolsen |
shamoanjac: Not all proprietary is bad. |
| 23:23 |
shamoanjac |
proprietary is bad by definition |
| 23:24 |
shamoanjac |
since it deprives the user from freedom |
| 23:24 |
nolsen |
Some things are meant to be close-source. |
| 23:24 |
shamoanjac |
like what? |
| 23:24 |
nolsen |
freedom? what are you? anarchist? |
| 23:24 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 23:24 |
nolsen |
Figures. |
| 23:24 |
shamoanjac |
?? |
| 23:24 |
nolsen |
Open-source extremist... |
| 23:24 |
shamoanjac |
*Free Software |
| 23:25 |
nolsen |
It's open-source. |
| 23:25 |
shamoanjac |
the term Open Source is misleading |
| 23:25 |
nolsen |
shamoanjac: Have you been smoking pot lately? |
| 23:26 |
shamoanjac |
I don't do drugs other than alcohol, and even alcohol is one I haven't taken for weeks |
| 23:26 |
nolsen |
Well, you are acting high. |
| 23:26 |
shamoanjac |
how so? |
| 23:26 |
nolsen |
Because open-source is freedom enough. |
| 23:26 |
shamoanjac |
you don't understand it |
| 23:26 |
nolsen |
A typical user doesn't want to "read the source code" |
| 23:26 |
shamoanjac |
hang on |
| 23:27 |
nolsen |
A typical user doesn't want to learn a programming language just to use his/her computer. |
| 23:27 |
shamoanjac |
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html |
| 23:27 |
nolsen |
lo gnu |
| 23:27 |
nolsen |
lol gnu |
| 23:27 |
shamoanjac |
that most of the population doesn't want or need to use a right is certainly not a reason to deprive the rest from exercising that same right |
| 23:28 |
nolsen |
Also, you can't sell software if your code is open source. |
| 23:28 |
shamoanjac |
yes, you can |
| 23:28 |
nolsen |
No you can't, because they can steal the code, change it, and sell it for themselves. |
| 23:28 |
nolsen |
make you loose profit. |
| 23:28 |
shamoanjac |
they're not stealing it |
| 23:28 |
nolsen |
and taking away your work. |
| 23:28 |
nolsen |
Yes they are. |
| 23:28 |
shamoanjac |
that's not what "stealing" means |
| 23:29 |
nolsen |
They stold their years of work. |
| 23:29 |
shamoanjac |
or are you one of those people who wouldn't download a car? |
| 23:29 |
shamoanjac |
they didn't, you didn't loose anything |
| 23:29 |
nolsen |
yes you did, you lost profit. |
| 23:30 |
nolsen |
Because people will be buying their code, and not yours. |
| 23:30 |
shamoanjac |
it's like someone put that into your head and you just repeat it like a mantra |
| 23:30 |
shamoanjac |
why not mine? |
| 23:30 |
nolsen |
so all the work you put in, was for nothingl. |
| 23:30 |
est31 |
I dont know, its politically even good to have proprietary software |
| 23:30 |
shamoanjac |
hell, you can just take their modifications and sell them yourself |
| 23:30 |
est31 |
think of github for example, they demand money from closed source projects |
| 23:30 |
shamoanjac |
that's what free software is about |
| 23:30 |
est31 |
but give access to open source projects for free |
| 23:30 |
est31 |
so, they promote open source projects |
| 23:30 |
shamoanjac |
not that I care much about the financial aspect of it since I'm an Anarchist |
| 23:31 |
est31 |
if you start a closed source project, you need to pay them money so you are less likely to start one |
| 23:31 |
est31 |
but more likely to open the source |
| 23:31 |
est31 |
if github were open source, the people could just grab it and install it on their servers |
| 23:31 |
est31 |
for free |
| 23:31 |
nolsen |
shamoanjac: Well people want to make a living by creating application and selling it. |
| 23:31 |
nolsen |
But open source, takes that away. |
| 23:31 |
est31 |
so, github being proprietary helps open source as a whole |
| 23:32 |
shamoanjac |
people want to make a living by buying and selling slaves |
| 23:32 |
shamoanjac |
but the declaration of Human Rights takes that away |
| 23:32 |
nolsen |
est31: Don't bother arguing with these kinds of people. |
| 23:32 |
shamoanjac |
what a shame |
| 23:32 |
nolsen |
These are FSF extremists. |
| 23:32 |
nolsen |
or open source extremisits. |
| 23:32 |
shamoanjac |
I prefer the term "radical" |
| 23:32 |
nolsen |
no, radical open source extremisits. |
| 23:32 |
shamoanjac |
"extremists" implies there is linearity |
| 23:33 |
nolsen |
shamoanjac: I question your IQ. |
| 23:33 |
shamoanjac |
"radical" comes from the latin "radica", which means "root" |
| 23:33 |
shamoanjac |
chances are it's somewhere between 120 and 135 |
| 23:34 |
nolsen |
But right now, it defines as "Departing markedly from the usual or customary; extreme: radical opinions on education." |
| 23:34 |
nolsen |
Your views are extreme |
| 23:34 |
shamoanjac |
extreme implies an arbitrary linear scale |
| 23:34 |
OldCoder |
Ahem |
| 23:34 |
shamoanjac |
I could say you're extremely conformist |
| 23:34 |
shamoanjac |
an extremist of the status quo |
| 23:34 |
est31 |
shamoanjac, we cant have universal basic income and other utopia goodies just yet, because we need humans to work |
| 23:34 |
shamoanjac |
based on my own linear scale |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
Hello |
| 23:35 |
nolsen |
It's like islam, they do not teach peace. |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
and money is a good tool to make them work |
| 23:35 |
shamoanjac |
it's not |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
Folks... |
| 23:35 |
shamoanjac |
and it has been proven not to be |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
This is not #Islam-Trump-FOSS-God-Satan-Wars |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
OldCoder, you want to kick shamoanjac? |
| 23:35 |
est31 |
go on :) |
| 23:35 |
betterthanyou710 |
lol |
| 23:35 |
shamoanjac |
sorry OldCoder, I just see people shitting on the very thing that makes this channel even possible |
| 23:35 |
* OldCoder |
prefers to make the point |
| 23:35 |
betterthanyou710 |
ill grab my popcorn |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
shamoanjac, can you |
| 23:35 |
OldCoder |
perhaps not use profanity |
| 23:35 |
nolsen |
A child that's op? :o |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
in an all-ages channel? |
| 23:36 |
est31 |
not that i knew |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
/join #chill perhaps |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Wait, reading up |
| 23:36 |
est31 |
nolsen, OldCoder is no child |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
This channel is not like # |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Eh |
| 23:36 |
nolsen |
est31: He is overcoder |
| 23:36 |
betterthanyou710 |
lol yeah |
| 23:36 |
* OldCoder |
gets up from rocking chair |
| 23:36 |
nolsen |
which is...16 I think |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Where is the Ben-Gay |
| 23:36 |
OldCoder |
Look... |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
This is not #minetest-dev |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
O_O |
| 23:37 |
betterthanyou710 |
lol nolsen you have no idea |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
This is a more open channel |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
Which is going to abide by a few rules regardless |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
Those rules include |
| 23:37 |
est31 |
there is offtopic discussion happening on this channel |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
1) Safe For Work |
| 23:37 |
betterthanyou710 |
also OC when you are done with this please check our IRC PM |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
Right |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
betterthanyou710, wait |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
Those rules include |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
1) Safe For Work |
| 23:37 |
betterthanyou710 |
kk |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
2) Bash Ideas Not People |
| 23:37 |
OldCoder |
3) Be Helpful If Possible |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
Those 3 are enough for today |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
shamoanjac and others are invited to read the list |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
your a OP here? |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
Is the list acceptable? |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
betterthanyou710, for four years |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
i didnt know |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
lol |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
never looked |
| 23:38 |
nolsen |
OldCoder: Good luck arguing with a open source extreminist. |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
I told you the Landmine story |
| 23:38 |
shamoanjac |
I broke none of these rules afaik, but I'm ok |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
yeah |
| 23:38 |
betterthanyou710 |
but i thought that was landmine |
| 23:38 |
est31 |
OldCoder, you made shamoanjac shut up what did you do :) |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
nolsen, the discussion is not about Open Source |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
est31, Hush please |
| 23:38 |
OldCoder |
"made shut up" is not respectful |
| 23:38 |
est31 |
without using your magic powers := |
| 23:39 |
betterthanyou710 |
i still need to check up on landmine |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
betterthanyou710, hush too please |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
PM for answers |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
Now, let us enjoy |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
each other |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
each other's company * |
| 23:39 |
nolsen |
Fascist much? |
| 23:39 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 23:39 |
|
nolsen was kicked by OldCoder: nolsen |
| 23:39 |
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| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
nolsen, Hi |
| 23:40 |
nolsen |
How did you disable my autojoin on kick? |
| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
Long time no see |
| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
There is nothing "Fascist" about civility rules, Son |
| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
This is an open channel, but it is all ages |
| 23:40 |
nolsen |
OldCoder: You are telling everyone to shut up. |
| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
And civility is expected |
| 23:40 |
OldCoder |
Hush is not shut up. And it was two people. Both of whom I am on good terms with. |
| 23:41 |
OldCoder |
You are hardly one to judge |
| 23:41 |
OldCoder |
Are we done here? |
| 23:41 |
nolsen |
But, freedom isn't free. |
| 23:41 |
OldCoder |
nolsen, there are #philosophy channels |
| 23:41 |
OldCoder |
for such points |
| 23:41 |
est31 |
btw these are the official rules of this channel http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules |
| 23:41 |
est31 |
see topic |
| 23:41 |
est31 |
~topic |
| 23:41 |
ShadowBot |
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| 23:41 |
OldCoder |
est31, thank you |
| 23:42 |
nolsen |
That topic has done 9/11 |
| 23:42 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 23:42 |
nolsen |
This is all of an inside job/ |
| 23:42 |
betterthanyou710 |
wow |
| 23:42 |
nolsen |
Jet fuel can't melt hats. |
| 23:42 |
* OldCoder |
is not sure of the connection |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
Funny, a child is acting like an adult, hard to see them nowdays. |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
Oh, you are not overcoder. |
| 23:44 |
betterthanyou710 |
nolson do you know his actual age? |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
betterthanyou710: uhh |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
no |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
I'm guessing 12. |
| 23:44 |
nolsen |
12 IS OLD ENOUGH FOR IRC |
| 23:44 |
betterthanyou710 |
guessing |
| 23:44 |
betterthanyou710 |
not knowing |
| 23:45 |
betterthanyou710 |
if you knew his age you would understand that hes smarter then you |
| 23:45 |
betterthanyou710 |
not that age means wisdom |
| 23:45 |
betterthanyou710 |
but hes very wise :P |
| 23:46 |
nolsen |
hm, he went quiet now |
| 23:46 |
betterthanyou710 |
naw |
| 23:46 |
betterthanyou710 |
PMing me |
| 23:46 |
rubenwardy |
this isn't #minetest-project |
| 23:47 |
betterthanyou710 |
hey ruben |
| 23:47 |
betterthanyou710 |
long time no see |
| 23:47 |
rubenwardy |
profanity is not disallowed in this channel |
| 23:47 |
rubenwardy |
http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules |
| 23:47 |
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| 23:47 |
Guest52876 |
did someone defend proprietary software here? |
| 23:47 |
Guest52876 |
allow me to tell you why this is wrong |
| 23:47 |
Guest52876 |
it is wrong |
| 23:48 |
shamoanjac |
wow then I truly broke no rule |
| 23:48 |
shamoanjac |
though it doesn't matter much |
| 23:48 |
nolsen |
Financially, it is wrong. |
| 23:48 |
Guest52876 |
it is wrong in every aspect |
| 23:48 |
Guest52876 |
morally |
| 23:48 |
nolsen |
But if you are selling free software, then it's fine. |
| 23:48 |
Guest52876 |
ethically |
| 23:48 |
nolsen |
Guest52876: Okay troll,. |
| 23:48 |
nolsen |
whatever. |
| 23:48 |
shamoanjac |
more like rms52876 amirite? kek |
| 23:49 |
Guest52876 |
only if you distribute the source code and forbid people from not doing so |
| 23:49 |
Guest52876 |
nolsen, no troll, evangelist |
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| 23:49 |
OldCoder |
Hello again |
| 23:50 |
Guest52876 |
I'm actually convinced that not using GNU GPL is immoral |
| 23:50 |
OldCoder |
nolsen, I'm working and also trying to help in other threads |
| 23:50 |
OldCoder |
Discussion of FOSS licenses is to follow the rules I outlined please |
| 23:50 |
Guest52876 |
which are...? |
| 23:51 |
OldCoder |
Safe For Work. Bash Ideas Not People. Be Helpful If Possible. |
| 23:51 |
est31 |
http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules |
| 23:51 |
est31 |
these are the rules |
| 23:51 |
est31 |
not what OldCoder says |
| 23:51 |
OldCoder |
Some people would add Assume Good Intentions. |
| 23:51 |
shamoanjac |
SFW, no ad hominem and not being uncool |
| 23:51 |
shamoanjac |
:^) |
| 23:51 |
nolsen |
OldCoder: You keep forgetting, these are open source extreminsts, they don't use logic, they bash their ideas onto people. |
| 23:51 |
Guest52876 |
okay, I can live with that |
| 23:51 |
OldCoder |
est31, thank you for your helpful interference, but the civility rules are implied and reasonable |
| 23:51 |
est31 |
(although he has op privs so prepare to be kicked if you do something he doesnt like :)) |
| 23:51 |
Guest52876 |
no |
| 23:51 |
Guest52876 |
it's not extremism, it's conviction |
| 23:51 |
nolsen |
est31: What if you have autojoin on kick on? |
| 23:51 |
OldCoder |
No Ad Hominem is #2 |
| 23:52 |
OldCoder |
So, one of you is a Stallman type and the other is Gates as opposed to Raymond? |
| 23:52 |
OldCoder |
Is this related to Minetest in some way? |
| 23:53 |
OldCoder |
FWIW The kids here used to write to Stallman to poke fun at him. Sometimes he wrote back :-) |
| 23:53 |
OldCoder |
|
| 23:53 |
OldCoder |
You know, when such discussions take place, the important thing to do is... |
| 23:53 |
shamoanjac |
I made a joke which was related to both Minetest and Stallman, apparently some triggers were pulled :) |
| 23:54 |
OldCoder |
determine if there is a specific, articulable, point, that people disagree on |
| 23:54 |
nolsen |
Oh boy. |
| 23:54 |
nolsen |
shamoanjac is an SJW. |
| 23:54 |
OldCoder |
shamoanjac, fine |
| 23:54 |
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| 23:54 |
OldCoder |
No Ad Hominem please |
| 23:54 |
OldCoder |
cyber-gaucho your 1st nick was better |
| 23:54 |
aaaaa |
I use this one on freenode |
| 23:54 |
OldCoder |
Up to you |
| 23:54 |
shamoanjac |
sorry gaucho you're busted |
| 23:54 |
shamoanjac |
we know your Rizon identity |
| 23:55 |
aaaaa |
shh |
| 23:55 |
* OldCoder |
is simply interested in nicknames |
| 23:55 |
shamoanjac |
prepare to get d0xx3d |
| 23:55 |
aaaaa |
oh no! |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
Oh, you are l33t ? |
| 23:55 |
betterthanyou710 |
lol |
| 23:55 |
aaaaa |
really, though, it surprises me that someone here would defend closed source |
| 23:55 |
betterthanyou710 |
the cringe hurts |
| 23:55 |
bbbbb |
I defend close source... |
| 23:55 |
bbbbb |
closed* |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
Fine so far |
| 23:55 |
aaaaa |
I haven't been in the conversation before, but really |
| 23:55 |
shamoanjac |
yes, I use Kali Linux in a VM in Windows 10 |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
<a> I like Open Source <b> I dislike it |
| 23:55 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 23:56 |
shamoanjac |
I use the dark theme in Google Chrome when debugging my CSS c0d3 |
| 23:56 |
bbbbb |
OldCoder: Now you started a flame war. |
| 23:56 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 23:56 |
aaaaa |
the other game got so much stuff done that in the end was bad for the users just because of that |
| 23:56 |
aaaaa |
really, no mod api, lack of extensibility... that's because it is closed source |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
rubenwardy, let us say that profanity is inadvisable depending on context |
| 23:57 |
bbbbb |
Closed source is fine when you are selling something. |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
Scroll up, incivility is not allowed |
| 23:57 |
bbbbb |
Because they can't steal your code when it's closed source. |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
Define "fine". What is the point of disagreement? |
| 23:57 |
aaaaa |
bbbbb, open source can be used for selling, it's the same |
| 23:57 |
bbbbb |
Thus, preventing profit to be lost. |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
Is the discussion about which is more ethically correct? |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
Or more profitable? |
| 23:57 |
aaaaa |
and what is there to steal when it's just a set of instructions? |
| 23:57 |
shamoanjac |
actually stealing the code is only possible on closed source |
| 23:57 |
bbbbb |
aaaaa: No it isn't, someone can buy your code, then steal it, then make a profit on it. |
| 23:57 |
OldCoder |
Determine what the point of disagreement is? |
| 23:57 |
bbbbb |
then you loose your profit, |
| 23:58 |
shamoanjac |
3>someone can buy your code, then steal it |
| 23:58 |
aaaaa |
you don't!!! |
| 23:58 |
bbbbb |
then take it. |
| 23:58 |
shamoanjac |
kinda strange imo |
| 23:58 |
aaaaa |
you just not-get the money |
| 23:58 |
bbbbb |
aaaaa: People can. |
| 23:58 |
aaaaa |
it's not the same as stealing, it's just an iteration of bytes in a computer |
| 23:58 |
OldCoder |
Hm |
| 23:58 |
Void7 |
you can just make it open-source and sell precompiled binaries. |
| 23:58 |
shamoanjac |
and support |
| 23:58 |
OldCoder |
Could one of you be FakeStallman and another be FakeGates? |
| 23:58 |
aaaaa |
^ |
| 23:58 |
bbbbb |
Void7: Then nobody would buy it. |
| 23:58 |
shamoanjac |
and access to servers |
| 23:58 |
OldCoder |
Easier to follow, then |
| 23:59 |
OldCoder |
FakeRMS, thank you |
| 23:59 |
nolsen |
FSF is gibberish, |
| 23:59 |
nolsen |
gnu is gibberish. |
| 23:59 |
FakeRMS |
no!!! |
| 23:59 |
OldCoder |
nolsen, that is noise |
| 23:59 |
TrueAndOnlyRMS |
Hello my children |
| 23:59 |
FakeRMS |
it's not! |
| 23:59 |
OldCoder |
State specifics |
| 23:59 |
Void7 |
nolsen: then why do pre-compiled binaries exist? |
| 23:59 |
nolsen |
Void7: To save time from compiling. |
| 23:59 |
FakeRMS |
really, they are so adamant because it is true, most modern computing is a jail |
| 23:59 |
Void7 |
then you can sell them.. |
| 23:59 |
nolsen |
But if the source code is free, then they can save money by compiling it. |
| 23:59 |
FakeRMS |
data mining galore |
| 23:59 |
nolsen |
source code is open* |
| 23:59 |
Void7 |
yes |
| 23:59 |
TrueAndOnlyRMS |
modern computing is going back to the 70's |
