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| 00:06 |
swift110 |
hey all |
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domtron |
hi swift110 |
| 00:31 |
swift110 |
hey domtron how are you? |
| 00:37 |
domtron |
@swift110: I'm doing ok. How about you? |
| 00:45 |
swift110 |
im great domtron |
| 00:47 |
domtron |
been reading some of the "drama" on the server section and was wondering... Has anyone tried to implement some sort of quality assurance for new players? I was thinking something like a set of puzzles or something designed to drive away certain types of players (short attention span, people who can't follow instructions). Only if you solve them can you enter the real game and get interact ect. I don't know if that is unkind or what, but I |
| 00:47 |
domtron |
am curious if anyone had tried it. |
| 00:50 |
TheReaperKing |
Does anyone know of any good examples of lbm s |
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Glorfindel |
domtron: in the Xanadu thread? |
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| 00:57 |
domtron |
@Glorfindel ya I was reading that one in particular but also remembering some of the "I'm leaving" threads that complained about servers with lots bad players. |
| 00:58 |
domtron |
I frankly haven't played on servers myself. My internet connection is too bad (generally <20ish kbi/s) |
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Volkj |
is the Xanadu server population that "bad"? Not the first time that server got talked here |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Stair recipe returns 8 stairs not 6 5809c28 https://git.io/vo6yF (2016-06-22T02:12:57+01:00) |
| 01:17 |
MinetestBot |
[git] xunto -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Fix character model uv-mapping e77ef55 https://git.io/vo6yb (2016-06-22T02:12:11+01:00) |
| 01:17 |
MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove mortar from stone brick, desert stone brick 1fafed3 https://git.io/vo6yN (2016-06-22T02:10:52+01:00) |
| 01:19 |
domtron |
I had always hear that it was good. I think I even heard a couple people say it was the best server. this is the first time I've heard about it being bad though I haven't been following servers. I keep to the mods section usually. It's just the past couple of days I have been skiming all the sections and contributing a bit. |
| 01:20 |
domtron |
@ Volkj |
| 01:21 |
Glorfindel |
Volkj: it's a very popular server, with lots of new people all the time. As such it attracts bad players along with the good |
| 01:34 |
Volkj |
domtron: it seems that has many mods, and mainly mobs. FWIV on servers people complain that X server isn't like minecraft because this or that, mainly mobs. Are mobs the added value in a minetest server? Seems so |
| 01:35 |
H-H-H |
the answer to that is simple |
| 01:36 |
H-H-H |
minetest != minecraft |
| 01:36 |
Volkj |
the type of player that wants a minecraft experience tends to be the less calm usually. results may vary |
| 01:37 |
Volkj |
that from a pov of server attractiveness |
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| 01:50 |
domtron |
@ Volkj , H-H-H : I frankly wouldn't mind more of a minecraft experience. That is have a good amount of polish in the UI and in other places (I think we are getting there though). I think people go a bit overboard about the "we are not <distain>minecraft</distain>" because of the, paraphrasing what you said, loud majority. I think there is lots to barrow from MC especially from the mods which I frankly don't see as being "minecraft" per-sa |
| 01:50 |
domtron |
y. Just good ideas and a lot of hard work by passionate voxel game players. |
| 01:51 |
Volkj |
in order to make minetest more like minecraft, you need... a company behind |
| 01:51 |
domtron |
that's not to say I don't get annoyed by the regular post of "can you add this thing that is exactly like vanilla MC" |
| 01:53 |
domtron |
@ Volkj: meh I don't totally agree with that. I mean that would defiantly help but there are examples of FOSS that is very polished and has no company related to it. On the top of my mind is Battle for wesnoth. |
| 01:54 |
H-H-H |
i am only echoing what other devs have said including celeron |
| 01:55 |
Volkj |
domtron: more like few projects in a sea of many. BoW seems to fit a niche with low competition, where minetest is against minecraft, the "giant" |
| 01:55 |
domtron |
I would say Libre office and appache but I think both have companies behind them (or at least foundations, not sure how those work exactly). |
| 01:57 |
domtron |
@ H-H-H , yep I've heard them say it. And I'm not totally disagreeing with that either. I'm just saying there is a middle ground that could be taken. |
| 01:57 |
Volkj |
libreoffice started from sun's staroffice opened in openoffice then modified in go-openoffice by suse, now has a foundation but mainly collabora and other sponsors, as they can take openoffice code easily. IBM may be behind too, see lotus symphony, even if it's more linked to openoffice |
| 01:57 |
Volkj |
btw, what end did openoffice? lookin |
| 01:58 |
domtron |
sorry don't understand the question... |
| 01:59 |
Volkj |
beside the company behind, minecraft kinda started the genre and more, the trend |
| 02:00 |
Volkj |
minetest was viewed as "not-pay-minecraft-clone" for not so long ago, the difference in perception plays a good role |
| 02:05 |
domtron |
well to be exact the guy who built infiniminer, Zachary, started the genre, which is what Notch based MC on, to my understanding. (BTW have you seen the other experimental games by Zachary? Some are pretty interesting especially infini-factory which I think is based on MC, ironically XD) |
| 02:06 |
Volkj |
thinking another way, it's the same difference between Windows and Linux. As Windows is largely spread, why a person should go to Linux if he can get Windows for few money (preinstalled) or free of money as Linux (other ways, largely illegal)? This argument keeps going on and on on on the web |
| 02:06 |
domtron |
but yes Mojang totally got the trend rolling. |
| 02:07 |
Fritigern |
What illegal ways are there to obtain Linux? |
| 02:08 |
Volkj |
seems by samsung https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11914533 |
| 02:08 |
domtron |
@ Fritigern he means illegal ways to obtain windows for free like linux is free. |
| 02:08 |
Volkj |
got that, @ domtron. |
| 02:08 |
domtron |
at least that is what I understood it to mean. |
| 02:09 |
Volkj |
there's one way to get windows legally free now, insider program. You'll be a tester, but free Windows! something i can live without |
| 02:13 |
swift110-phone |
back |
| 02:18 |
domtron |
And the OS debate is a bit different. Windows has major and obvious flaws all the way down to it's kernel(if it's called that... that might just be a linux/unix term). The way windows persists is simply that people are familiar with them so those people insist on their employees to use it and they introduce their families to it and they make their software for it ect adnausium. Essentially a "I use it because most people I know use it" men |
| 02:18 |
domtron |
tality. Windows used to be more polished which is how it got so much more popular(that and Bill Gates amazing marketing skills+little competition, or so I have read) then Linux, but now days linux, especially the ubuntu flavors, is very user friendly. And we are seeing more consumer software working on linux as well as windows. |
| 02:18 |
domtron |
and I am so far off topic x.x |
| 02:18 |
domtron |
also too slow at typing >.< |
| 02:19 |
swift110-phone |
lol |
| 02:20 |
Volkj |
windows success came from preinstalled, see the Linux that made it, Android. But the argument can be adapted well in the minetest vs minecraft debate |
| 02:21 |
swift110-phone |
ok how so |
| 02:22 |
swift110-phone |
i like minetest but i don't understand why tutorial isnt installed by default |
| 02:22 |
Volkj |
imho minetest tends to be an engine with a minimal game over it |
| 02:23 |
swift110-phone |
I don't understand that terminology |
| 02:23 |
domtron |
@ swift110-phone which terminology? |
| 02:24 |
Volkj |
engine = what runs the game, minimal game = the game you can play on vanilla minetest |
| 02:24 |
Volkj |
minecraft tends to expand the vanilla game including more contents |
| 02:26 |
swift110-phone |
ok |
| 02:27 |
swift110-phone |
i still feel that tutorial should be installed by default |
| 02:27 |
Volkj |
got a typo, wrote minetext (so if someone wants to make a curses version has a name XD) |
| 02:28 |
domtron |
hehe :P |
| 02:28 |
swift110-phone |
I want to see more people enjoy the game i see that its very flexible and i love that |
| 02:29 |
Volkj |
given that most people i saw on servers get on android, the first thing they'll do will be skipping the tutorial and get straight on online game |
| 02:30 |
domtron |
hmm, I have totally lost what we were talking about. o.O I guess Minecraft vs Minetest is 3 camps: "I don't care i just want to play", "we don't want to look anything like MC", and "we want it to look exactly like MC". Each has various reasons for their "position." I guess I'm just saying I wish people would not shoot down an idea just because "MC does it. we are not MC. therefore we cannot do it." but especially when it comes to modded mi |
| 02:30 |
domtron |
necraft. |
| 02:31 |
swift110-phone |
ok |
| 02:31 |
swift110-phone |
well whenever i show people minetest they just feel like its a rip off of mc |
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| 02:32 |
Volkj |
i think some people first play minecraft and get accustomed, then feels tired and try minetest thinking it's better, but they find another game. Right, minetest best word from minecraft is "different" |
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| 02:33 |
swift110-phone |
hmm |
| 02:34 |
swift110-phone |
how do i show the differences between mc and minetest |
| 02:34 |
Volkj |
ask them if they bought minecraft first :P |
| 02:36 |
swift110-phone |
well chances are they did |
| 02:36 |
swift110-phone |
but most people have never heard of minecraft |
| 02:36 |
swift110-phone |
i mean minetest |
| 02:37 |
Volkj |
when all the sites and media makes the digital LEGO = minecraft equality it's hard to be noted |
| 02:39 |
swift110-phone |
true |
| 02:39 |
swift110-phone |
it does re |
| 02:39 |
swift110-phone |
remind me of legos |
| 02:40 |
Volkj |
i'd take the chance to say that Minecraft substituted LEGO for new generations of people |
| 02:41 |
Volkj |
and for that, even paying is a problem |
| 02:42 |
Volkj |
how much time a kid will play with a $20 LEGO kit? he'll surely wants more, but in Minecraft mods are free, and the game main selling point is the gratification in seeing your creations and the work you've done for them in making and collecting the materials |
| 02:42 |
domtron |
heh there is a thread on the forum about Roblox, which is basically electronic legos. so it is interesting you bring that up. |
| 02:43 |
Volkj |
thanks for the name domtron, i've got the reason that minetest started |
| 02:44 |
Volkj |
minetest is a clone to make money - https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=93233592 |
| 02:44 |
Volkj |
5th post |
| 02:44 |
Volkj |
we've been fooled, the whole opensource, free, yaddayadda, all for money! :-D |
| 02:46 |
domtron |
@ Volkj of course you could just buy a 3d printer and make your own legos. :P I've actually read some interesting articals about that. This one guy designed 3D printable adapters between every kind of block building type toy. There were like 40 parts he designed. Another one ran tests with a little DIY mechine that tested how many times you could put together and pull apart official legos vs 3D printed ones. |
| 02:47 |
domtron |
wait really they mentioned Minetest. o.o |
| 02:48 |
domtron |
"Minecraft is written in some irrevelent language called Java and is closed-source." hehe, my sentiments exactly. :3 |
| 02:49 |
Volkj |
chance are some are trolling |
| 02:50 |
DonBatman |
if you are asking what the difference between minetest and minecraft is then that is easy. Minecraft is a game where as minetest is a game engine that supports many games |
| 02:51 |
DonBatman |
You get a basic game to begin with and you can make it how ever you want with mods or sub games |
| 02:51 |
DonBatman |
minetest is very flexable aand allows for many different types of games to be made |
| 02:53 |
Volkj |
imho there isn't an effort to make minetest as minecraft, more to keep it as it is |
| 02:54 |
Volkj |
right or wrong? personal choices, but please don't go to servers talking about minecraft is better yaddayadda |
| 02:54 |
swift110-phone |
hm |
| 02:55 |
Volkj |
generally talking. |
| 02:55 |
DonBatman |
The effort is in making it a great engine. The thing that is lacking right now is subgame developers that have great unique ideas |
| 02:56 |
DonBatman |
minetest will never be like minecraft. It will always be focused on being an engine for many types of games |
| 02:57 |
Volkj |
let's ask notch to help as game designer in minetest_game :D |
| 02:58 |
DonBatman |
Why Notch? There are many better game devs in the world |
| 02:58 |
swift110-phone |
h.. |
| 02:58 |
swift110-phone |
hmm |
| 02:59 |
Volkj |
just the first that came in mind related to voxel games |
| 02:59 |
DonBatman |
besides I imagine he has a contract with MS that states he can not dev any competitive games |
| 02:59 |
domtron |
I actually think the whole "Minetest is an engine" is a bit off. Unity 3D is an engine. Irrlich is an engine. Alephone is an engine(shameless plug for a FPS engine I like :3). You don't run an engine directly, you run a game which incorporates an engine. I feel it would be better to call minetest a platform or framework (or something... idk. This idea/peeve of mine needs more research) or to seperate it out so you have a game library clien |
| 02:59 |
domtron |
t that launches games and connects to servers and the library that can be included into your application. But this idea is weak which is why I haven't tried to push for discussion in the forum or anything. x.x (and again I'm typing too slow and the conversation has moved on :P) |
| 03:00 |
Volkj |
carmack is taken by facebook, maybe american mcgee, but then every block you dig will bleed |
| 03:02 |
Volkj |
keep going domtron. Are you on a phone for that slow typing or you just are not accustomed to fast typing? |
| 03:02 |
Volkj |
not that it means |
| 03:03 |
domtron |
From what I've read Notch probebly wouldn't mind helping out. Then again maybe he would. Main reason he sold the company was because of all the drama. He just wants to make fun and unique ideas into games. This is a thing we should NOT barrow from MC. That is the attitude of the community. x.x |
| 03:05 |
domtron |
Volkj, nope I'm on my PC. I just hunt and peck. Which is ok for programming but not good for conversations. Also I'm kindof anti-social so it takes a minute to parse what people say and form a semi-coherent thought. |
| 03:05 |
DonBatman |
Notch is more than welcome to develop games for minetest |
| 03:05 |
Volkj |
domtron: take your time. Fast typing without errors (or even without watching the keyboard) isn't a skill one learns fast |
| 03:06 |
Volkj |
and given my not-so-good english, many people will sure think multiple stuff about my words :D |
| 03:06 |
domtron |
I got to scoot. Or at least AFK. Got some choirs to take care of. been fun talking instead of lurking for once. :P |
| 03:07 |
DonBatman |
As for minetest not being an engine... you can not play minetest without a game installed. Whether it is in single player or on a server a game is required |
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| 03:26 |
swift110-phone |
back |
| 03:26 |
swift110-phone |
so what do you think is nwwded2 |
| 03:27 |
swift110-phone |
what do you think is needed to improve minetest? |
| 03:28 |
Volkj |
mainly some cleanups, as there are many papercuts. But before that, searching, knowing and separating the problems between minetest and minetest_game to not make wrong choices |
| 03:29 |
swift110-phone |
what do you mean paper cuta |
| 03:29 |
swift110-phone |
paper cuts |
| 03:30 |
Volkj |
it's a term used by canonical https://wiki.ubuntu.com/One%20Hundred%20Papercuts (%20 in a url? crazy) |
| 03:31 |
Volkj |
it means a problem that can annoy but usually isn't that bad to feel it, so you forget about it after some time. But it remains annoying the time you get it |
| 03:32 |
swift110-phone |
oh i see |
| 03:32 |
swift110-phone |
volkk |
| 03:33 |
swift110-phone |
volkj how long u been playing minetest? |
| 03:33 |
Volkj |
circa 6 months on the server i'm at moment |
| 03:34 |
Volkj |
counting singleplayer and past server experiences, 5 years |
| 03:35 |
swift110-phone |
wow |
| 03:35 |
swift110-phone |
thats a ling time |
| 03:35 |
swift110-phone |
did you play mc before? |
| 03:36 |
Volkj |
having a low end pc helps in the choice. never player minecraft, except the browser (classic?) version, practically a digging simulator |
| 03:36 |
Volkj |
got recently into modding, but i'm still a newbie |
| 03:37 |
swift110-phone |
og |
| 03:37 |
swift110-phone |
oh |
| 03:37 |
swift110-phone |
ok |
| 03:37 |
Volkj |
i still have something against tables in lua, they're... different from what i was accustomed |
| 03:37 |
swift110-phone |
what ya mean |
| 03:38 |
Volkj |
i just need time to know lua better |
| 03:38 |
swift110-phone |
i see |
| 03:38 |
Hijiri |
it would be nice if lua came with an immutable table type |
| 03:38 |
swift110-phone |
i would lice |
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swift110-phone |
i wof |
| 03:39 |
Hijiri |
maybe in addition to the mutable one it has now |
| 03:39 |
swift110-phone |
i would love to play minetest on a huge screen |
| 03:39 |
Volkj |
well, as conv gone into modding... i used code from default mod in a mod of mine, but i used GPL3 for it. Have i made it wrong? |
| 03:39 |
swift110-phone |
and with a joystick |
| 03:39 |
Hijiri |
default mod is GPLv2+ right? You can relicense under GPLv3 |
| 03:39 |
Volkj |
for the joystick part, testing version of minetest has gamepad support |
| 03:41 |
Volkj |
swift110-phone: even if i could, i can't play minetest on a touchscreen device. Mice are addictive |
| 03:42 |
swift110-phone |
lol |
| 03:42 |
swift110-phone |
i would love to play minetest with like a virtual glove |
| 03:43 |
Volkj |
i think minecraft is more supported on that side, with VR |
| 03:46 |
swift110-phone |
oh ok |
| 03:49 |
swift110-phone |
i figured that |
| 03:50 |
Volkj |
however, if you don't mind duct tape, you can make something with a wiimote and glovepie scripts |
| 03:52 |
swift110-phone |
lol |
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domtron |
back just for a bit. |
| 04:58 |
domtron |
huh this site is nice: http://minetest.tv/ . Nice looking design and clear presentation. |
| 05:05 |
Volkj |
tv domain -> suspicious -> looks really a television channel |
| 05:07 |
domtron |
suspicious? it's basically a youtube channel with a website, blog, and a bit of a community. |
| 05:08 |
Volkj |
shady sites usually have these kind of domains, but even google didn't report virus so i did watched |
| 05:08 |
domtron |
I mean I didn't dig around that much but content wise it didn't look suspicious. Maybe they have a link to a hacked client, but I didn't go so far as to look. /me shrugs |
| 05:09 |
domtron |
but ya I know what you mean. |
| 05:11 |
domtron |
kindof interesting that I was just talking about roblox/legos on the forum, then talked to you about legos, and now I run into this site which runs a lego textured minetest server. XD |
| 05:17 |
domtron |
huh. apparently the blogger knows DonBatman. http://blog.minetest.tv/xtreme-server-map-progress-2/ |
| 05:18 |
Volkj |
who knows if with clientside mods you can make a cat with nodes and have it running on the server |
| 05:20 |
Volkj |
err, a car not a cat |
| 05:20 |
Volkj |
great idea |
| 05:26 |
domtron |
good night. Sleep well all. |
| 05:26 |
Volkj |
bye |
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Calinou |
Hijiri: most default mods are LGPLv2+ |
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BubblezRaging |
I need a admimn for stormchaser3000's survival server i have a greifer |
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Hijiri |
Calinou: Sorry, my mistake |
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Calinou |
LGPLv2.1+ to be more accurate |
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Calinou |
so, it's recommended to use the same license for your modifications |
| 08:39 |
everamzah |
where's the fun in that? |
| 08:39 |
JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Chocolate Eclair Day! 😃 |
| 08:39 |
Calinou |
everamzah: you can use a more permissive license too |
| 08:39 |
Calinou |
like CC0/WTFPL/Unlicense |
| 08:40 |
everamzah |
not if it's lgpl |
| 08:40 |
Calinou |
everamzah: for your modifcations, you can license them under anything |
| 08:40 |
Calinou |
(this has little practical effect though) |
| 08:40 |
everamzah |
right, so then u wouldn't be able to relicense the entire mod |
| 08:41 |
everamzah |
just license ur own modifications separatly... sounds complicated |
| 08:41 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 08:41 |
everamzah |
but u can take the whole lgpl 2.1+ mod and make it all gpl3 |
| 08:41 |
everamzah |
or all gpl2 |
| 08:41 |
everamzah |
yes? |
| 08:42 |
everamzah |
i think that's right |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
since it has "or later" clause |
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* nm0i |
is tired of running /rollback and /ban every morning |
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nm0i |
Has anyone tried to feed logs to neural net? |
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Fixer |
why? |
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nm0i |
Most griefers aren't that smart. There must be pattern to their behavior. |
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Calinou |
that would be very CPU-consuming |
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Calinou |
nm0i: get more moderators :P |
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Calinou |
ideally there should be always 1 moderator online on your server |
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Calinou |
if not 2 |
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nm0i |
I don't trust humans :( |
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Calinou |
then have pony moderators |
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nm0i |
Hm. Ponies are good, yes... |
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Devices |
make a rule that allows griefing |
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Devices |
then there's nothing to moderate |
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Devices |
problem solved |
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everamzah |
!server Fun Caves |
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MinetestBot |
everamzah: [FCS] Fun Caves | lumaria.duckdns.org | Clients: 2/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 120ms |
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modo |
110.247.115.137:30000 my server, please come and play |
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Volkj |
i'd suggest a domain |
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modo |
i'm planning a ddns |
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Volkj |
ic. saw you got another game on 30001 port, from server list |
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modo |
yes,but this one disappeared,i dont know why |
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domtron |
good morning Volkj, modo |
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Volkj |
welcome back domtron |
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modo |
good morning domtron (in fact it`s night for me) |
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Eater4 |
I installed Minetest from the PPA. Why is it trying to continuously run on adress 0.0.0.0 which fails for binding ports? |
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Out`Of`Control |
Eater4: compile one from source, its not that hard |
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Devices |
the source one will bind to 0.0.0.0 as well |
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Devices |
that's the defautl behaviour |
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Eater4 |
I've done that to, the PPA doesn't seem to find the config |
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Volkj |
Eater4: run minetest --help from terminal to see more runtime parameters |
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modo |
please come and play... |
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Volkj |
already playing stable on another server, thanks for the invite anyways |
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sfan5 |
modo: give it time |
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modo |
okay.. |
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est31 |
Eater4, binding address 0.0.0.0 is expected |
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est31 |
it means that you listen everywhere |
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est31 |
so everybody may connect |
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est31 |
because most times your machine has multiple ip addresses |
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est31 |
127.0.0.1 is usually one |
| 14:03 |
est31 |
and then there is usually a second one in your local network |
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est31 |
Eater4, are you sure that there is no other minetest server running on that port? |
| 14:04 |
est31 |
and if you are, then maybe your OS forbids you to bind the port |
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Eater4 |
Nope, I'm gonna double check my firewall, even though it's disabled |
| 14:05 |
est31 |
then you either have to run minetest as root (which I dont recommend its a bad idea), or you have to configure your os |
| 14:05 |
est31 |
to not block listening on that port |
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Devices |
which distro are you using Eater4? |
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Eater4 |
Ubuntu |
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est31 |
which ubuntu version |
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Devices |
run 'sudo iptables -L' and see if it allows UDP on 30000 |
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Devices |
or does ubuntu not have iptables? |
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est31 |
I do |
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est31 |
and I have ubuntu |
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est31 |
yeah its dependency of the ubuntu-core package |
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Out`Of`Control |
Player*** RemoteClient 11: m_blocks_sent.size()=370, m_blocks_sending.size()=1, m_nearest_unsent_d=0, m_excess_gotblocks=3 |
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est31 |
so its installed by default, at least on 16.04 which i have |
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Out`Of`Control |
Anyone could explain what just happen ? |
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est31 |
thats debug information |
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est31 |
and usually its accompanied by more stuff |
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est31 |
what you pasted here is mostly useless |
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Out`Of`Control |
that player got many times most are 0 some with number |
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Out`Of`Control |
est31: and then once he got 90 gold blocks |
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Out`Of`Control |
out of nothing |
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est31 |
oh. |
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est31 |
interesting... |
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Out`Of`Control |
he was using crossbow too |
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est31 |
Out`Of`Control, PM |
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XeonSquared |
Geniuses, is there any way to make Minetest run in stereo 3D? |
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Volkj |
alcohol /s |
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est31 |
I think it should already run in stereo 3d |
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est31 |
err |
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est31 |
you mean with VR stuff XeonSquared? |
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XeonSquared |
Well, I was thinking more just stereo 3D on a screen |
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XeonSquared |
I'm the cheapo that uses a phone and a VNC server as 'VR' |
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est31 |
aha |
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est31 |
well yeah it works |
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est31 |
which minetest version do you have |
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XeonSquared |
0.4.13 |
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est31 |
okay no settings tab then |
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XeonSquared |
Do I want to update it? |
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Volkj |
there was something for anaglyphic https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1010 |
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Eater4 |
Ah a fixed it |
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Eater4 |
I* |
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est31 |
XeonSquared, see the 3d_mode setting |
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Calinou |
it's the 2000s-style anaglyph |
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Calinou |
not anything to close to NVIDIA's 3D vision |
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Calinou |
and we have no VR support, too |
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Eater4 |
There was a stray Minetestserver running after I built it....? I killed it and it works now |
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XeonSquared |
Do I want to uninstall the old Minetest before I instal the new one? |
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XeonSquared |
I'm guessing yes. |
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XeonSquared |
>.> Windows. |
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Calinou |
XeonSquared: yes, always |
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Calinou |
(especially if you used the installer) |
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Calinou |
the good update procedure is as follows: uninstall -> reinstall |
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Calinou |
this is Windows :) |
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XeonSquared |
huh |
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XeonSquared |
side-by-side 3D mode |
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XeonSquared |
nice |
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XeonSquared |
>:D |
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XeonSquared |
now I just need to get some lenses |
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XeonSquared |
and turn down some settings, damn apparently being able to run maxed with one display isn't the same as two. |
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Calinou |
XeonSquared: two viewports are basically twice as expensive as one |
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est31 |
are they |
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est31 |
you have half of the resolution |
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est31 |
and you can re-use at least the vertex shader |
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est31 |
can't you |
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est31 |
(maybe i am wrong) |
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Calinou |
I'm sure there's room for optimization :p |
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XeonSquared |
I'm going to need something more powerful than a 750Ti for the next set of games that come out, I think |
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XeonSquared |
here's what gets me about minetest: No matter how hilariously underpowered the machine, it manages to run at ~25FPS |
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XeonSquared |
and yet no matter the overpoweredness of the box it never seems to get to a solid 60FPS |
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Volkj |
my pentium4 is dissenting |
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XeonSquared |
Like I've run this on a Pentium D, a really bad Atom... |
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XeonSquared |
I tried a PowerPC G4 but that got all of 5FPS because it was doing software rendering |
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Calinou |
XeonSquared: my next PC wil have a GTX 1080 |
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Calinou |
XeonSquared: performance on Windows is low, on Minetest |
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Calinou |
on Linux it's much better |
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XeonSquared |
I normally run Linux |
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Volkj |
given that when i played on atom i got less than 20 fps with drawdistance = 20 |
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XeonSquared |
but even with a 750Ti on max settings some views will give me 40FPS |
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Calinou |
XeonSquared: what view range do you use? |
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XeonSquared |
is the drawtime in ms? |
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Calinou |
yes |
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swift110 |
wow |
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swift110 |
whats wrong with the 750 ti? |
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Volkj |
that i don't have it |
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XeonSquared |
because the powermac gets a drawtime of >1500 |
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XeonSquared |
more like 1700 |
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XeonSquared |
It was turned up pretty high in that instance |
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XeonSquared |
I didn't really have any issue with it |
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XeonSquared |
uh |
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XeonSquared |
righto |
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sfan5 |
ah yes |
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sfan5 |
!deop ShadowBot |
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Calinou |
swift110: it is not that powerful |
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Calinou |
in 3 years it'll be unusable for AAA games :P |
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Calinou |
it is 20% less powerful than a GTX 570 already |
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Calinou |
wow, this is great: https://github.com/junegunn/fzf |
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Calinou |
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/06/22/mozilla-awards-385000-to-open-source-projects-as-part-of-moss-mission-partners-program/ |
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Glorfindel |
Calinou: do you support users of your one line update script? |
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Calinou |
Glorfindel: yes |
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Calinou |
rate: 0.05 Minetestbucks a second |
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Calinou |
:) |
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Glorfindel |
Lol |
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swift110 |
hey all |
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Calinou |
I don't use a Debian-based distro anymore so I don't know if it works |
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Calinou |
but I have a Xubuntu 14.04 VM that I use for testing stuff |
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Calinou |
so I can test it there |
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Glorfindel |
I've not been able to update to 14 using it |
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Calinou |
delete your ~/minetest folder |
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Calinou |
(note the lack of the .) |
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Calinou |
then run the script again |
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Glorfindel |
Ahhh, ok |
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Glorfindel |
Thanks :) |
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Calinou |
note: if you chose a portable build, this will erase all your user data! |
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Calinou |
(worlds, minetest.conf…) |
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Glorfindel |
Na this was system wide |
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Glorfindel |
How much do I owe you? :p |
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swift110 |
hmm |
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Glorfindel |
Hi swift110 |
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swift110 |
how are you Glorfindel |
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Glorfindel |
Doing good :) |
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Glorfindel |
You? |
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Fixer |
Calinou: using arch? |
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Calinou |
Antergos |
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swift110 |
Glorfindel, I am fantastic |
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fullmetaljacket |
afternoon guys |
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fullmetaljacket |
anyone around and able to help with a question about minetest on linux ? |
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asl97 |
fullmetaljacket: just ask the question |
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asl97 |
if someone is around, know the answer and want to answer, they will answer. |
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fullmetaljacket |
ok..if i play minetest on Arch linux... all is good, clear screen etc.. but as soon as I play on Ubuntu or anything....i get the fps etc on top showing...2 lines of numbers going crazy etc... is there anyway of turning it off on ubuntu ..so it's like it is on Arch |
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asl97 |
i am gonna take a guess and say what you saw is the debug menu, press f5 to toggle it |
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fullmetaljacket |
ok, i'll give that a shot...i tried hitting every key..but i'll try right now again..thanks.. |
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fullmetaljacket |
well god damn...look at that...i couldn't find answer anywhere... on mine i have to hit Alt F5.... very much appreciated...Thank You |
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swift110 |
another satisfied user |
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mmmm |
#amhi |
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mmmm |
whois |
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swift110 |
lol |
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KaadmY |
!server pixture |
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MinetestBot |
KaadmY: Pixture game server | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 5/10, 1/10 | Version: 0.4.14 / pixture | Ping: 18ms |
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KaadmY |
5 players? nice |
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nm0i |
!server megaf |
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VanessaE????? |
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atomhell |
Question: Is there such a mod called "computer", because I cannot find it. |
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Volkj |
atomhell: seems to be https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3830 |
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domtron |
hi all y'all. :) |
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nm0i |
hi mortal |
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