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rubenwardy |
I'm looking for moderators for CTF (minetest.rubenwardy.com:3000) |
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STHGOM |
what kind of things would a moderator do there? |
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STHGOM |
only work against spam and cussing, right? |
| 00:12 |
rubenwardy |
give warnings then temp bans for sabotage, excessive swearing and dating. |
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rubenwardy |
well |
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rubenwardy |
warnings for accidental swearing |
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rubenwardy |
temp-ban for repeated |
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rubenwardy |
I don't count stuff like "damn" and "penis" as swearing |
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rubenwardy |
unless used in a sexual context |
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bleak_fire_ |
hi |
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bleak_fire_ |
i updated my mods yesterday, and just ran across a problem with pipeworks |
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bleak_fire_ |
note that today will be difficult and laggy as my internet connection is always dial-up-speed unusable on black friday |
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bleak_fire_ |
but it's still do-able |
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bleak_fire_ |
pictures load like dial-up where you had them drop like the shade |
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bleak_fire_ |
butg |
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bleak_fire_ |
this is my error |
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bleak_fire_ |
it seems to focus on item_drop |
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bleak_fire_ |
Runtime error from mod 'pipeworks' in callback environment_Step(): /usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/item.lua:338: attempt to index local 'dropper' (a nil value) |
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bleak_fire_ |
stack traceback: |
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bleak_fire_ |
(preventing mirc from reading the slash) /usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/item.lua:338: in function 'item_drop' |
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bleak_fire_ |
ERROR[main]: ...st/games/minetest_game/mods/pipeworks/item_transport.lua:252: in function 'on_step' |
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bleak_fire_ |
ERROR[main]: ...inetest/games/minetest_game/mods/pipeworks/luaentity.lua:347: in function <...inetest/games/minetest_game/mods/pipeworks/luaentity.lua:312> |
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bleak_fire_ |
ERROR[main]: /usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/register.lua:355: in function </usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/register.lua:335> |
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bleak_fire_ |
ok |
| 01:46 |
bleak_fire_ |
so while i dont intend to actually put back the old version of pipeworks or start the server, due to my internet speed issue |
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bleak_fire_ |
this is the error i am having |
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bleak_fire_ |
github loads partially so i can do someting there |
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bleak_fire_ |
but i'd thought i'd report it here |
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bleak_fire_ |
also, i dont know what file it's supposed to be |
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bleak_fire_ |
item_transport or luaentity |
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bleak_fire_ |
my guess is that it's item_transport |
| 01:48 |
bleak_fire_ |
because it was recently updated |
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bleak_fire_ |
but i dont know |
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bleak_fire_ |
if you can tell me here i will file a bug report |
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DI3HARD139 |
Question: How would I go about making a node for minetest |
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DI3HARD139 |
Im mainly trying to add ontop of HomeDecor |
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rubenwardy |
http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/nodes_items_crafting.html#registering-a-basic-node |
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DI3HARD139 |
ty rubenwardy |
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bleak_fire_ |
i cant replicate the problem based on what he did |
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bleak_fire_ |
to cause the crash |
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bleak_fire_ |
i dont know much about pipeworks but the only pipeworks thing i saw is him placing a node breaker |
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bleak_fire_ |
i dont know what that does, but i've been able to place nodebreakers, and pipes, with no problems |
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bleak_fire_ |
and a blinky plant |
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bleak_fire_ |
i just placed a few of those and it didnt crash like when he did it |
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bleak_fire_ |
so you think i should let this slide or file a report? |
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bleak_fire_ |
i'm doing exactly what he did, no crashes |
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DI3HARD139 |
How can I correct this: Server::ProcessData<>: PacketError: what=String too long ?? |
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bleak_fire_ |
well no more crashes so i'll let it go this time |
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bleak_fire_ |
bye |
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swift110-phone |
Hey |
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OldCoder |
Pro Tip: VanessaE_ rewriting a MT DB with page_size = 4096 speeds up MT *and* cuts large world sizes by 1GB |
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OldCoder |
ruskie, sfan5_ ^ |
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LazyJ_2 |
What is/are the trade-off(s)? |
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LazyJ_2 |
How do I have a LazyJ_2?? |
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LazyJ_2 |
Relogging... |
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LazyJ |
Is this page_size stuff something for us knuckledraggers or does it require full working knowledge of SQLite? |
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OldCoder |
LazyJ, in between; I know you're interested in optimization |
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OldCoder |
Can discuss after I study further |
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OldCoder |
Size definitely drops 1GB for some worlds |
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OldCoder |
Performance will depend on different factors, need to study that |
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LazyJ |
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OldCoder |
Speed may improve in general |
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OldCoder |
Probably 10MB higher memory requirements |
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LazyJ |
Speed is nice, but longevity and stability are valued more. |
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LazyJ |
At least for me. |
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LazyJ |
LG's RAM isn't being taxed much. |
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LazyJ |
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LazyJ |
My memory, on the other hand,... :0)- |
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LazyJ |
Shorter than the hairs on my bald head. |
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LazyJ |
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OldCoder |
Yep |
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OldCoder |
LazyJ, answer a foolish question... |
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OldCoder |
Formspecs aren't stored in the DB data, right? |
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OldCoder |
Just the data is stored |
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OldCoder |
The wording of a formspec should change if you change a mod? |
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LazyJ |
Sorry, OldCoder, but I have no understanding of formspecs and how they work with databases. |
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OldCoder |
kkty |
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LazyJ |
What little I know about coding is only what I've struggled to learn to fix more immediate problems that looked like stuff I could do something about. |
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LazyJ |
Coming in to Minetest, I had no coding knowledge other than very, very rudimentary html. |
| 07:25 |
LazyJ |
I became addicted to Minetest enough, and had invested a lot of time creating in a server, that when things on the server began to be neglected, I stepped up from being a normal player to someone who took care of things. |
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LazyJ |
Ok, enough reminiscing "the good ol'days" from this cranky old fart. |
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LazyJ |
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Obani |
rubenwardy, would you like me to look for others mapgenerations ? |
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rubenwardy |
huh |
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rubenwardy |
oh, you sent something to me, didn't you |
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Obani |
Yesterday ? |
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Obani |
I did send you something two days ago |
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Obani |
rubenwardy, you didn't anwer me :p |
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rubenwardy |
I think it was too days ago |
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Obani |
rubenwardy, I was talking about if you wanted me to search for others map seeds |
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rubenwardy |
I don't like how they have to scale a cliff. Ideally I like a map where both teams are on either side of a valley with lots of rocks and ditches |
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rubenwardy |
and trees |
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Obani |
rubenwardy, the problem is that you break the spirit of the game you wanted to take sinpiration on ;) |
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Calinou |
https://lut.im/ytnbZXDicm/oL3jJW9agraMovre.png |
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Calinou |
Doomsday stable compiles fine, but not master branch… |
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Krock |
> 101% |
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Calinou |
you can have up to 200% health/armor |
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* Fixer |
is redcrabbing right now |
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passerbye |
hello |
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passerbye |
so |
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passerbye |
i found this on the forums and |
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passerbye |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=92 |
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Krock |
hi |
| 13:59 |
passerbye |
the link to the guy's repo is dead |
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passerbye |
so I was wondering if there's a way to find it or |
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Krock |
yeah see all those dead links |
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Calinou |
obviously, it's 4.5 years old :P |
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passerbye |
well i found anther repo of his but |
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Calinou |
you should join the Classic Quake community, where 90% of links are dead |
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passerbye |
not sure if it has the double wield feature |
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Krock |
gawd, how that would smell there.. |
| 14:00 |
passerbye |
should i keep searching for it or do you think it's easier to just redo it myself :P |
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Krock |
remove the dead links before their virus spreads and causes more dead links :< |
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* Fixer |
runs with screwdriver |
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Darcidride |
please move ASAP this mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10418#p199912 (posted today, released since 6 months and more), in WIp, that's not serious =) |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
license needs to be stated in mod topic |
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Calinou |
(code preview doesn't count, it's not obvious) |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
also, dependencies |
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Darcidride |
it's true, let me 2 minutes |
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Darcidride |
license, dependencies, and optional dependencies added : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13659&p=199910#p199910 |
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Darcidride |
Calinou ^ |
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Krock |
!title |
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Krock |
MTB! |
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Calinou |
moved |
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Krock |
sfan5, MTB is gone, please bring her back :( |
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passerbye |
hey can anyone think of any problems that might come up with implementing dual wielding:? |
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est31 |
passerbye, it would require changing the client too |
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est31 |
so a larger project |
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passerbye |
hmm |
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passerbye |
i guess i'll delay it till after finals then |
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passerbye |
wouldn't there also be a conflict with items that require two mouse buttons? |
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passerbye |
maybe an "action" mode where each item would have one use function... |
| 14:38 |
passerbye |
how does that sound? |
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est31 |
yeah |
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est31 |
I doubt however whether we want dual wield mode in minetes |
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est31 |
t |
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passerbye |
it can be quite handy when shields are involved |
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est31 |
the shields implementations I see manage it as armour |
| 14:40 |
est31 |
so you change shields only by changing armour |
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passerbye |
you're right |
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passerbye |
also |
| 14:41 |
passerbye |
i was thinking about magic mods but |
| 14:41 |
passerbye |
they might as well have a small different UI for setting the spells |
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passerbye |
new project: magic mods :D |
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Fixer |
new projects: fixing liquid and rendering bugs!!1111 |
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rubenwardy |
why do people feel the need to pretend to be admins |
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Fixer |
i don't know |
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alket |
rubenwardy: that and dating I don't understand |
| 15:12 |
Fixer |
I usually "lol" at that |
| 15:12 |
rubenwardy |
and dating too |
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rubenwardy |
<GirlyGamer####> ruben Shakur said i love you to me! |
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Fixer |
haha |
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rubenwardy |
> when you tell players that they can ping you by saying "ruben" in the chat :'( |
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Fixer |
it is on CTF server? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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* Fixer |
fixed so much slabs -> want to throw up |
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* Fixer |
thanks Calinou |
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Fixer |
lol |
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Fixer |
wall with red cross on white background with a sign "not a football team" |
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* Fixer |
runs with screwdriver all over the place like an idiot |
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Fixer |
why nobody visits old coder's redcrab? it is amazing peace of history |
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est31 |
peace? |
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* est31 |
grammar pedant |
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Fixer |
oh damned |
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Fixer |
place* |
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Fixer |
sorry |
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exio4 |
hi |
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rubenwardy |
piece*? |
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Fixer |
or piece |
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Fixer |
yes |
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Fixer |
that was right |
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Fixer |
>_> |
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Obani |
Fixer, that's not |
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Obani |
For me, redcrab is 0.3.1 |
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Fixer |
i remember it too |
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Obani |
The time you couldn't hit peoples :D |
| 15:51 |
Obani |
The time where everyone had fly+fast, and noclip was a developper dream :D |
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Fixer |
red crab 0.3 was beginning of minetest |
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Obani |
And it was so cool ^^ |
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Fixer |
fast mode was funny |
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Fixer |
it works differently now iirc |
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Fixer |
at first you can run fast + jump but without flying |
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Fixer |
by pressing K iirc |
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Fixer |
0.4 redcrab is immense |
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Fixer |
minetest has very good build in general |
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STHGOM |
you still can go fast without fly |
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STHGOM |
use key |
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Fixer |
i will try again |
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Fixer |
OldCoder, world looks good, some areas need slab/panel fix as usual (with reset) |
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Fixer |
last farmap commit was 14 days ago, ugh |
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Fixer |
wonder, where is c55... |
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hoodedice |
so the join dates are WRONG on the forum |
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hoodedice |
never mind |
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hoodedice |
am silly |
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Obani |
Hey |
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Obani |
I just compiled last git commit |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
And it is amazing? |
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Obani |
And I've a segmentation error when launching minetest |
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Krock |
It is amazing |
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Obani |
I can't even see the menu |
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Krock |
#minetest-dev would be happy about a gdb output |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani, you need to provide more info than that. |
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Krock |
(or however that tool's called) |
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Obani |
And I don't even know why |
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rubenwardy |
!mod playlife |
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Obani |
I have no logs |
| 19:02 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, MTB is still dead |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
Obani, Linux based? |
| 19:02 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani, then specify a log file. |
| 19:02 |
Obani |
The only log I have in my terminal is Loaded texture: ../../minetest_game/menu/header.png |
| 19:02 |
Obani |
Then, segmentation error |
| 19:03 |
Obani |
rubenwardy, yes : Debian Jessie (stable) |
| 19:03 |
hoodedice |
someone didn't malloc(9001) |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
sudo apt-get install gdb && cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug && make -j2 && gdb bin/minetest |
| 19:03 |
hoodedice |
malloc(9001) fixes everything |
| 19:03 |
Krock |
rofl |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
hi hoodedice |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
the .tscn/.tres parser (which will allow to load those files in Godot) is almost finished |
| 19:03 |
hoodedice |
elo |
| 19:03 |
Obani |
rubenwardy, it always worked, why wouldn't it work now ? |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
(new format, to replace XML) |
| 19:04 |
hoodedice |
Godot is soon going to be a pain to learn haha |
| 19:04 |
hoodedice |
because they invent the wheel for everything |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
XML is often criticized, even by Linus Torvalds |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
Godot's philosophy is, "if there is nothing good, invent it", and I kind of agree with it |
| 19:04 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani, you need to just do as rubenwardy said. |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
it's similar to Blender's |
| 19:05 |
Obani |
JohnnyComeL8ly, ok, but first I'll update my packages versions :) |
| 19:05 |
Obani |
52 updates ^^ |
| 19:05 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou, I like it... that is how git came into being. |
| 19:05 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani, that could be part of the problem. |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
JohnnyComeL8ly, well, .tscn/.tres are text formats, they are VCS-friendly just like XML |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
they are INI-style |
| 19:06 |
Obani |
Calinou, heard the roll sounds ? :p |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
not yet |
| 19:08 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou, VCS = version control system? |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE_ |
I thought that was some old model of atari computer? :) |
| 19:08 |
* Krock |
connects atari computer with the worst game ever, E.T. |
| 19:09 |
Obani |
Worst game ever ? THere is worst :D |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
hmm? |
| 19:09 |
hoodedice |
VanessaE_, pls |
| 19:10 |
hoodedice |
also,_ |
| 19:10 |
Obani |
This update takes soooo long... |
| 19:10 |
hoodedice |
Calinou, I *am* starting a project in godot after my finals |
| 19:10 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Atari VCS is a real thing, but I knew it wasn't it... context told me so. |
| 19:11 |
hoodedice |
Obani, not as bad as MS updates |
| 19:11 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
hoodedice, no kidding! |
| 19:11 |
hoodedice |
heck, at least they don't suddenly pull updates #Win10NovemberUpdate |
| 19:11 |
Obani |
hoodedice, I shall have updated earlier :/ |
| 19:11 |
hoodedice |
I feel bad about w10m |
| 19:11 |
hoodedice |
they removed a lot of stuff I liked in w8.1m |
| 19:12 |
Obani |
hoodedice, remove Windows :p |
| 19:12 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Yeah. |
| 19:12 |
hoodedice |
Calinou, gonna be a third person hack and slash inspired by TLoZ series and ape escape =D |
| 19:12 |
hoodedice |
Obani still have use for it |
| 19:13 |
Obani |
hoodedice, for what? League of Legends ? :p |
| 19:13 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
lol |
| 19:13 |
hoodedice |
and wifi actually works, unlike xubuntu where it loves to turn off every 15 minutes |
| 19:13 |
Obani |
hoodedice, remove xubuntu :p |
| 19:13 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
That is a problem with proprietary (bad) hardware. |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
realtek 8188EE? |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
this is generic af |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
Intel has proprietary parts IIRC |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
this should work |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
but it doesn't |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
because someone did sizeof(array) in rtl8188 in the kernel |
| 19:14 |
hoodedice |
(IIRC) |
| 19:16 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
hoodedice, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218962 |
| 19:16 |
hoodedice |
JohnnyComeL8ly, just so you know, performance is actually better (thank God) as compared to 14.04 |
| 19:17 |
hoodedice |
it was unusable in 14.04 and required compilation for every kernel update |
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exio4 |
VanessaE: hi |
| 19:19 |
exio4 |
I thought we were here, not in #-dev |
| 19:20 |
exio4 |
VanessaE: yes, it's exactly like that |
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VanessaE |
it's still relevant to -dev |
| 19:21 |
VanessaE |
besides it's not like there's any actual coding chat going on right now |
| 19:21 |
hoodedice |
you mean to say I can spam dev if no one is talking? |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 19:23 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
"You are giving me permission to break the rules?" |
| 19:28 |
hoodedice |
awww |
| 19:28 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
*Nawww |
| 19:37 |
exio4 |
Fixer: you should look at argentine politics, they're so much fun! |
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Fixer |
exio4, lots of ukrainians emigrated to Argentina in 192* (after Soviet invasion iirc) |
| 19:45 |
Fixer |
exio4, i believe there are similarities in those countries |
| 19:46 |
exio4 |
heh, argentina got lots of people, specially in those years :P |
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| 20:02 |
Fixer |
how much coding expertise i need to at least understand minetest code? |
| 20:03 |
exio4 |
a lot because it's a mess |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
much more than eg. Godot probably |
| 20:03 |
Fixer |
I've coded very little in turbo pascal (in school), and made small functions in python (that's all) %) |
| 20:05 |
Fixer |
turbo pascal was in dos of course, and that was 10 years ago i think |
| 20:05 |
Fixer |
looks like, I need compleat reintroduction to coding |
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Calinou |
Fixer, try making games with Godot, it is a nice way to learn programming |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
you write your games in a language called GDScript, which is similar to Python |
| 20:14 |
Obani |
rubenwardy, how to use gdb ? |
| 20:14 |
Obani |
I don't even know what is it useful for ^^ |
| 20:20 |
Fixer |
it is for debugging |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
to look how program works and detect errors in more detail if i understand it correctly |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
i've used it few times for backtraces |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
"A backtrace is a summary of how your program got where it is" |
| 20:22 |
Fixer |
usually before crash |
| 20:43 |
rubenwardy |
when it loads, Obani, type run |
| 20:43 |
rubenwardy |
when it crashes, type "bt full" |
| 20:43 |
rubenwardy |
it will give a back trace |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
press enter until if stops asking you "press enter to continue" or something |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
then paste the log in a paste bin |
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Fixer |
have you seen a bug where crops stop growing? |
| 21:13 |
hoodedice |
Calinou, pls |
| 21:13 |
hoodedice |
ohayou sfan5 |
| 21:14 |
est31 |
I think its one of paramat's "speedup" commits where he disabled catchup for the ABMs in mtg |
| 21:14 |
Fixer |
it is not that |
| 21:15 |
* sfan5 |
paws hoodedice |
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| 21:15 |
Fixer |
that's ESM City server bug, i will ask admin, I keep standing and nothing grows (it worked fine not long ago) |
| 21:15 |
hoodedice |
lol est |
| 21:17 |
Fixer |
paramat speedup is actually a speedup |
| 21:18 |
Fixer |
it disables catch up for some things like growing grass, lava cooling, etc, unloading the server |
| 21:19 |
Fixer |
crops are not affected |
| 21:22 |
est31 |
as if nobody had a grass farm, or flower farms. |
| 21:23 |
* Calinou |
farms Mese |
| 21:23 |
Fixer |
who on earth had a grass farm? |
| 21:24 |
est31 |
well, flower farms are the better example |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
_it is not related to paramat patch in any way_ |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
it is 0.4.13 mtg with mods |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
ok, cactus is growing fine |
| 21:27 |
hoodedice |
Calinou, have you messed around with lighting and other artwork stuff in godot? |
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Calinou |
nope, I used 2D lights & shadows for a bit though |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
works okay, but the shadows are infinitely sharp |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
okay, thanks |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
(and they aren't anti-aliased) |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
sharp is low performance, right? |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
as in, easy on the computer |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
sharp shadows (stencil or similar techniques) are cheaper in 2D |
| 21:31 |
hoodedice |
okay |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
in 3D, those are likely to be slower than shadow maps now |
| 21:32 |
Calinou |
(in many cases) |
| 21:32 |
hoodedice |
hmm |
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Calinou |
eg. with DarkPlaces I have less FPS with stencil shadows than shadow maps |
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* Fixer |
slaps everybody with a large bug |
| 22:45 |
Obani |
No, I do |
| 22:47 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
lol xD |
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koz_ |
What sort of improvements could I expect to see if I compile Minetest to use LuaJIT? |
| 22:50 |
rubenwardy |
usually a lot faster |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
http://luajit.org/performance.html |
| 22:51 |
koz_ |
rubenwardy: I get that - would it make the graphics performance any better, or is this purely a GPU thing? |
| 22:51 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
*CPU |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
It may make graphics better if you're playing singleplayer |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
due to not blocking mapgen or whatever |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
but mainly it makes Lua mods, callbacks and stuff faster |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
but, [citationneeded] |
| 22:52 |
Fixer |
stutter will be anyway |
| 22:52 |
koz_ |
rubenwardy: OK, I see. JohnnyComeL8ly: I said it right - graphics are handled by the GPU. |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
Lua won't effect the GPU |
| 22:53 |
koz_ |
Yeah, I know. |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
and in Minetest, most of the graphics is down on CPU |
| 22:53 |
koz_ |
Oh? |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
eg: mesh generation, texture generation |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
lighting |
| 22:53 |
* koz_ |
did not know that. |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
However, that only happens when you dig or place something - vertices are drawn on the GPU |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
again, afaik |
| 22:54 |
koz_ |
Well, that's news to me. Thanks! |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
RealBadAngel will know more about this, and will be able to correct me |
| 22:54 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
I was saying Lua is done on CPU. |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
of course |
| 22:54 |
koz_ |
JohnnyComeL8ly: Indeed. |
| 22:55 |
koz_ |
Alrighty, thanks for that everyone1 |
| 22:55 |
koz_ |
s/1/! |
| 22:56 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
So, after all that, you'll most likely see much better performance using LuaJIT. |
| 22:56 |
RealBadAngel |
koz_, luajit will make your mods make faster |
| 22:56 |
Calinou |
koz_, LuaJIT is ~3 times faster than plain Lua |
| 22:56 |
RealBadAngel |
server side |
| 22:56 |
Calinou |
but on the other hand, there is no support for Lua 5.2/5.3 features (which we don't use), and portability is worse |
| 22:56 |
Calinou |
(the author of LuaJIT is against implementing Lua 5.2/5.3 entirely) |
| 22:56 |
RealBadAngel |
it wont affect client performance at all |
| 22:57 |
RealBadAngel |
more complex the mod is gain will be greater |
| 22:57 |
RealBadAngel |
we dont talk here about simple one node registration mods |
| 22:58 |
RealBadAngel |
but those which actually do something |
| 22:58 |
RealBadAngel |
technic, piperworks, mesecons |
| 22:58 |
RealBadAngel |
if you dont use them, dont bother luajit |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani, I'm working on a "clean" fresh compile... I'll see if I get any errors. |
| 23:22 |
Obani |
Ok ^^ |
| 23:27 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani... none whatsoever. It flew when loading a vanilla singleplayer world. |
| 23:28 |
Obani |
Well I still got the same errors |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Obani... I don't know what to tell you. |
| 23:32 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
You don't get any compilation errors? |
| 23:32 |
Obani |
no |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Did you do a fresh folder, and then git the latest? |
| 23:33 |
Obani |
Yes... |
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rubenwardy |
My server's first youtuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hX15dWVS7E |
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Fixer |
damn, kids know how to record video |
| 23:51 |
Fixer |
it is laggy somewhat |
| 23:51 |
Fixer |
wonder how that people record HD videos from BF4 or so without slowdowns |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
probably by using paid-for or cracked programs and recording to huffyuv or another raw format |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
then compress it to AVI etc later |
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Fixer |
that need shit-tons of storage |
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Fixer |
gigabytes |
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VanessaE |
yep. |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
1 gig a minute or something, as I recall |
| 23:52 |
Fixer |
yeah |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
looks like he is recording in kindergarten or school |
| 23:54 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, sounds like it |
| 23:54 |
Fixer |
back in my times we played Quake II in school |
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Fixer |
on Win98SE |
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Fixer |
no net though |
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Fixer |
and no internet |
| 23:55 |
rubenwardy |
best bit: https://youtu.be/8hX15dWVS7E?t=4m30s |
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