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waressearcher2 |
its weekend, again |
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* STHGOM |
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nanepiwo |
;calc (99-21)/4 |
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nanepiwo |
shadowbot, calc (99-21)/4 |
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ShadowBot |
nanepiwo: 19.5 |
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waressearcher2 |
you will not believed it but I know the best way to increase fps in minetest |
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waressearcher2 |
and it will work for sure |
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waressearcher2 |
and it doesn't require buying expensive hardware |
| 02:23 |
waressearcher2 |
excited to hear it ? |
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waressearcher2 |
or should I wait untill monday when there more people here |
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RichardTheTurd |
My words of advise to anyone who hosts a server. Dont add vehicle mods unless u dont mind cleaning up 100s of em |
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waressearcher2 |
RichardTheTurd: you need a mod that cleans vehicles |
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RichardTheTurd |
I dont like to use those though as it removes the legit vehicle. |
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RichardTheTurd |
ex. car dealerships |
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FreeFull |
waressearcher2: How do you increase fps? |
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waressearcher2 |
I think I will wait till monday |
| 03:18 |
RichardTheTurd |
FreeFull: add wanted_fps = 120 and fps_max = 300 to your minetest.conf file |
| 03:18 |
FreeFull |
Well, it's not as if my screen refreshes at more than 60Hz anyway |
| 03:18 |
RichardTheTurd |
I just do that to allow more CPU utilization |
| 03:19 |
RichardTheTurd |
It seemed to increase FPS for me |
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waressearcher2 |
how can you endure 60Hz, 75Hz is minimum |
| 03:19 |
waressearcher2 |
RichardTheTurd: I looked at source code there is "sleep(25)" for menu code so its like 40fps in menu |
| 03:20 |
RichardTheTurd |
I get 90+ FPS and I use a 60Hz panel. Though I do use FXAA aswell |
| 03:20 |
waressearcher2 |
who needs FXAA in minetest its not crysis |
| 03:21 |
RichardTheTurd |
I use MSAA via Nvidia Control Panel |
| 03:21 |
RichardTheTurd |
aswell |
| 03:22 |
waressearcher2 |
by the way what is FXAA and MSAA are they some fancy Anty Aliasing ? |
| 03:22 |
RichardTheTurd |
yup |
| 03:22 |
waressearcher2 |
you can't alias cubes |
| 03:22 |
RichardTheTurd |
MSAA = MultiSample Anti-Aliasing |
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RichardTheTurd |
FXAA = Gotta google |
| 03:23 |
RichardTheTurd |
Fast Approximate Anti-Aliasing |
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waressearcher2 |
I mean really textures are low resolution, everything made of cubes, why do you need fancy anti aliasing ? |
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RichardTheTurd |
Gets rid of the jagged edges and the fuzz |
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swift110-phone |
Hey all |
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Megaf |
Hi swift110-phone |
| 06:52 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 06:52 |
Krock |
hi |
| 06:53 |
Megaf |
Krock: you always get up that early? |
| 06:54 |
Krock |
No, the phone interrupted my sweet dreams |
| 06:54 |
Krock |
couldn't sleep anymore after that |
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Megaf |
oh, how sad! |
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Megaf |
Today I remembered to turn my phones volume off |
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Megaf |
So I could sleep :) |
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Megaf |
Hi est31 |
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est31 |
hi Megaf ! |
| 06:58 |
Megaf |
This is kinda nice http://9gag.com/gag/aEzDq4e |
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Krock |
Megaf, repeat your sentence now :P |
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Megaf |
!title |
| 06:58 |
Megaf |
Krock: heh, but i don't know est31's timezone |
| 06:59 |
Krock |
It's the same as mine I guess |
| 07:00 |
Krock |
I like that #6 on 9gag |
| 07:00 |
Megaf |
so do I |
| 07:01 |
Krock |
missing author in #20 |
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Megaf |
est31: I just asked Krock if the always get up that early, so, do you always get up that early? |
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est31 |
I got up today at 4 AM |
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est31 |
so that I can see a red moon |
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Megaf |
oh |
| 07:01 |
* est31 |
german |
| 07:01 |
Megaf |
est31: and did you see it? |
| 07:01 |
est31 |
yes xD |
| 07:02 |
Megaf |
!server Apocalypse |
| 07:02 |
Megaf |
Server located in Germany, Frankfurt ^ |
| 07:02 |
est31 |
lol |
| 07:02 |
Megaf |
(But there is no bot to show that) |
| 07:02 |
Megaf |
est31: and how was it? |
| 07:03 |
Megaf |
I completely forgot about the red moon, I'm in Dublin, I think I could have seen it |
| 07:03 |
est31 |
cool, not completely red though |
| 07:03 |
Megaf |
Krock: #10 and #14 are missing |
| 07:03 |
Krock |
oh lol |
| 07:03 |
est31 |
one part red, small stripe still white |
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Krock |
MinetestBot! |
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Krock |
I miss you! |
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* Krock |
punches sfan5: MTB left us, please bring it back :) |
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Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57&p=192838#p192838 |
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Calinou |
Thank god we have a topic bumper! |
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VanessaE |
Oh G*d. |
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Calinou |
VanessaE, I once saw a exact 10 year bump on the Cube Engine forums |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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CWz |
hey VanessaE |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃 |
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est31 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVwR0rw5fk |
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VanessaE |
haha |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
if it weren't so early I'd crack open the bottle of wine in the fridge :) |
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Krock |
^^ |
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JamesTait |
VanessaE, I have the same problem. That, and no beer in the house. And a day of work to get through. |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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Krock |
Get some coffee |
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JamesTait |
Well, that goes without saying. ☺ I don't sit down to work until I've poured my coffee! |
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* VanessaE |
listens to the rooster crowing outside |
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VanessaE |
why the hell am I up at 5:49 am? :-/ |
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Megaf_ |
Vanessae, you tell me |
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* sfan5 |
punches Krock |
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* Krock |
takes 1 heart damage |
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Krock |
<3 MinetestBot |
| 11:25 |
MinetestBot |
<3 Krock |
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Krock |
yay, she's back. |
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Calinou |
it's 1 HP damage, not 1 heart |
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Calinou |
1 heart being 2 HP |
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Krock |
Calinou, it's a strong fist |
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swift110-phone |
Morning |
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waressearcher2 |
finally, monday |
| 12:54 |
swift110-phone |
Lol |
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swift110-phone |
I hate mondays |
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swift110-phone |
Ok |
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Krock |
swift110-phone, monday for nearly 16 hours here .. still happy :) |
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swift110-phone |
Ok |
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est31 |
wait a bit, it will turn up to be sunday eventually again |
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waressearcher2 |
its 00:01am tuesday |
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waressearcher2 |
so what I was sayng, there is a way to increase fps in minetest |
| 14:05 |
waressearcher2 |
all you have to do is give developers "Pentium I", with 32MB RAM, that way you force them to write efficient code or they have to suffer 0.01fps framerate |
| 14:06 |
Teckla |
waressearcher2: fwiw, on my daughter's 6-year-old Core 2 Duo laptop with midrange era appropriate discrete graphics (nVIDIA), Minetest outperforms Minecraft nicely, in the graphics department. |
| 14:06 |
Teckla |
It's still a little slow and laggy (thus I'm getting her a new laptop for xmas), but it's usable. |
| 14:06 |
waressearcher2 |
remember that game "elite" ? they said if it took tham entire day to optimise and save couple of bytes of memory it was worth it |
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waressearcher2 |
them |
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est31 |
they are developers |
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est31 |
developers are the idiots who argue about single bytes lol |
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waressearcher2 |
or "Commander Keen", Carmac did impossible at the time he made mario-level graphics work on 1991 year PCs, and it was a feet |
| 14:08 |
waressearcher2 |
of course that way you can also discourage them programming at all |
| 14:09 |
Teckla |
All that being said, I think free software/open source, differentiates itself the best, when it writes really high performance software, so I would certainly encourage developers to really optimize the heck out of performance |
| 14:09 |
waressearcher2 |
I mean there are all sorts of good examples where developers did cared about optimisation |
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Teckla |
est31: Only some developers do that |
| 14:10 |
Teckla |
I used to use Linux on the desktop precisely because it enabled me to use hardware for a longer period of time compared to, for example, Windows, which tended to get slower with each release |
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waressearcher2 |
also it is weird how minecraft requires quite good PC, not considering how profitable it is, they could've use some money to get it work even on 10 years old PCs |
| 14:11 |
Teckla |
I ended up dropping Linux on the desktop when the "popular" desktop distros started getting fat and slow and actually underperformed compared to Windows :( |
| 14:11 |
waressearcher2 |
Teckla: you haven't tryed DSL |
| 14:11 |
est31 |
you cant do that Teckla |
| 14:11 |
est31 |
the year of linux on the desktop will come |
| 14:12 |
waressearcher2 |
it can work even on PII |
| 14:12 |
Teckla |
waressearcher2: I've used DSL. |
| 14:12 |
Teckla |
est31: haha |
| 14:12 |
waressearcher2 |
est31: but it will be just one year |
| 14:12 |
Teckla |
waressearcher2: Well, I did say "popular" desktop Linux distros for a reason, heh |
| 14:13 |
waressearcher2 |
you can make ubuntu fast if you don't run X |
| 14:13 |
est31 |
you can run linux entirely out of your RAM then its blazingly fast |
| 14:13 |
est31 |
like a livecd |
| 14:13 |
Teckla |
I spent a few decades getting into the whole "tweaking" thing, now I want stuff to Just Work. |
| 14:14 |
est31 |
hope snappy makes that easy |
| 14:14 |
waressearcher2 |
its not about "popular desktop Linux distros" its about overbloated software with fancy features that no one yet optimised for performance |
| 14:14 |
est31 |
and its about rewriting the same thing over and over again |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
every release, KDE is rewritten, and, KDE KDE has new bugs |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
s/KDE KDE/KDE/ |
| 14:16 |
waressearcher2 |
there are always *box windows managers |
| 14:16 |
waressearcher2 |
like "fluxbox" and others |
| 14:16 |
waressearcher2 |
but the crappy thing is if you say want to run KDE application its the same as using KDE itself, it will consume a lot of RAM anyway by loading all those kdelibs |
| 14:17 |
waressearcher2 |
they really should separate "k" software from KDE |
| 14:18 |
Teckla |
Ideally I want a "popular" desktop Linux distro that I know will Just Work and be upgraded and well supported, which works fast "out of the box", without having to futz around installing alternative window managers and such |
| 14:18 |
Teckla |
...and a pony. I want a pony. For free |
| 14:18 |
waressearcher2 |
that is not gonna happen |
| 14:18 |
Teckla |
waressearcher2: Sadly, it *was* happening for a while |
| 14:18 |
waressearcher2 |
I mean linux that is Just Work |
| 14:19 |
waressearcher2 |
it will always be in "development" state |
| 14:19 |
Teckla |
Back when Ubuntu came by default with GNOME 2, it ran really, really well, even on my older hardware, so I used that for a number of years |
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waressearcher2 |
thats the differentce from "proprietary" stuff |
| 14:19 |
Teckla |
When they switched to Unity, it got much slower, and uglier (imo), and I stopped using it |
| 14:20 |
est31 |
I switched to kubuntu before ubuntu switched to unity |
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waressearcher2 |
those companies they need to "show off" that theyr product is "ready" that is why they number them with whole number like "1.0,2.5" instead of "0.1.5-dev", after all they earn money from it and they want more money |
| 14:20 |
Teckla |
est31: How is KDE's performance these days? I did try KDE years back, but at the time, it was even slower and fatter than Windows |
| 14:21 |
Teckla |
So far, Xubuntu seems nice, I'm running that in a VM, just to evaluate it. |
| 14:22 |
est31 |
Teckla, I can't really compare I only have KDE but for me its fine |
| 14:22 |
est31 |
4GB RAM and mobile intel processor |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
intel N3520 |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
2.1 ghz pentium |
| 14:24 |
est31 |
sometimes it freezes when I have too many applications open |
| 14:24 |
est31 |
then I have to sysrq |
| 14:24 |
est31 |
it might be because I have no swap |
| 14:24 |
est31 |
but filling 4 GB isnt easy |
| 14:24 |
est31 |
most times it happens when I compile something BIG |
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Teckla |
est31: Sounds good |
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Krock |
est31, play minetest with a 1024px texture pack |
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SylvieLorxu |
Teckla: From my experience, it's faster than Windows and getting better. I think it's slightly faster than GNOME3 now |
| 14:27 |
SylvieLorxu |
I may be a bit biased, though |
| 14:27 |
SylvieLorxu |
Because I am just a KDE fangirl :P |
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est31 |
Krock, no way |
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waressearcher2 |
SylvieLorxu: kgirl |
| 14:35 |
est31 |
kate! |
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SylvieLorxu |
Heh |
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waressearcher2 |
anyone knows if that No Man's Sky will be released this year ? |
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Krock |
ask #nomanssky if existent |
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waressearcher2 |
not yeat |
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Teckla |
SylvieLorxu: Good to know, thanks :) |
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CWz |
^ lol |
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Krock |
I know, this guy wasn't serious but it's still funny |
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est31 |
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I AM 13 ONLY FROM WHAT I AM WRITEING????!!! |
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est31 |
favourite bash.org quote |
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Krock |
xD |
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est31 |
--> http://bash.org/?14207 |
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Krock |
I DOES WRITE CORECT ENGISH !!1!one!!one1 |
| 15:27 |
Krock |
est31, great quote, the bookmark collection got extended |
| 15:32 |
Krock |
Browing on bash.org and found other great quotes, such as http://bash.org/?400459 |
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bas080 |
I was wondering what the concensus is on soft depending and checking in the lua if a mod exists or not. |
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bas080 |
Someone send me this commit and I want to give him advice on how register a craft only when a mod is there |
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bas080 |
*is installed |
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bas080 |
VanessaE: Do you have an example for me? I have done it before but i can't seem to remember how and where |
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bas080 |
VanessaE: I see you have used if minetest.get_modpath("intllib") then |
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bas080 |
I'll tell him he can use that. |
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est31 |
there is no real consensus |
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est31 |
previously everybody checked for the global to exist for the mod |
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est31 |
then sb added warning log messages when you access a global |
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est31 |
so then people chose rawgeti, others get_modpath |
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bas080 |
est31: i was considering using get modnames but then you need to write a function for checking if a value is in a list |
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est31 |
get_modpath should be ok I think |
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est31 |
many people use it |
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Krock |
http://bash.org/?7936 |
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waressearcher2 |
so no one need quotes of ancient philosophers or scientists or notable people |
| 16:31 |
Krock |
Yes. |
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* CWz |
hopes that armor never gets added to minetest_game |
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* Krock |
wonders why |
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waressearcher2 |
it will be more minecraft ? |
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waressearcher2 |
armor protects you |
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waressearcher2 |
why not |
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* Krock |
suggests sfan5 to add a !quote command for a random quote like this one: http://bash.org/?3936 |
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sfan5 |
nah |
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Krock |
k, then not. |
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Teckla |
CraigyDavi: Just a quick heads up, server is down, heh |
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freelikegnu |
Teckla: I've been using xubuntu for a couple years and very happy |
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freelikegnu |
have 5 machines at home running it |
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freelikegnu |
and its my linux vm distro of choise |
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freelikegnu |
especially since thunar can now browse ssh |
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freelikegnu |
sftp I mean |
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Teckla |
freelikegnu: Super glad to hear that since that's what I decided to install :) |
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Teckla |
I really like Xfce's "traditional" desktop look and feel. |
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freelikegnu |
yup, its all very sensible... I'd like to try getting mints blueberry bluetooth working in it |
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comradmax |
does minetest have a setting to stretch in fullscreen mode? |
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Calinou |
comradmax, stretch? |
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freelikegnu |
bluetooth manager is ok... but I think bluetooth has always been a sorespot in most distros |
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Calinou |
you can use fullscreen = 1, screenW and screenH of your choice |
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Calinou |
either way, I would really not want to play in non-native resolution... |
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freelikegnu |
Calinou: this makes me think of having some kind of retro crt filter from MT |
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comradmax |
my monitor is 1920x1200, i set screenW/H to something lower, like 960x600. in fullscreen=1 the actual minetest window is only part of my monitor |
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comradmax |
i think i can change my system resolution to 960x600, and then fullscreen will take up all of it. i was just wondering if there is a setting, so i dont have to change system resolution :) |
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Teckla |
comradmax: Do you use 960x600 to get better performance? |
| 17:34 |
comradmax |
yes |
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freelikegnu |
that is pretty low res... what kind of hardware are you running on>? |
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Calinou |
Minetest looks too good, let's make it look like this https://lut.im/AEPcpA6uNj/F1nwos5S.png |
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Calinou |
I challenge you to play this in 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 :p |
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comradmax |
i get 13-40 fps at the native 1920x1200, it's not horrible, but i was trying to get super smooth fps all the time:) i have amd quadcore with apu, and a radeon 6670 gpu. it's the one that matches the internal apu |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
lol 6670 |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
(and more generally, lol AMD) |
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comradmax |
yea, this card was $60 new tho:) |
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comradmax |
if i did already buy this one, i would have gotten nvidia |
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comradmax |
i got the gpu cuz it had the most vram for the $. i was crashing with more than 3 planets in PA :) |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
who needs accelerated 3D anyway? the game I posted above works fine without it! |
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Calinou |
(-: |
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Calinou |
(that's why it's slow as hell whenever you approach a transparent surface) |
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comradmax |
what's that, gldoom or something like that? |
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freelikegnu |
hmm what drivers are you using comradmax |
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Teckla |
Calinou: AMD is bad? (I guess I should be happy I have nVIDIA?) |
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Calinou |
Teckla, it's 1. dying on the CPU front, 2. stagnating on the GPU front |
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Calinou |
comradmax, Odamex |
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comradmax |
freelikegnu: whatever ubuntu 15 has for it, i did not do anything beyond installing minetest to run it |
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Calinou |
with Freedoom Phase 1 |
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Teckla |
Calinou: Oh dear :( That's not good, if only because competition is good |
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freelikegnu |
hmm |
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Calinou |
Teckla, well, Intel is the lonely leader in CPUs, and NVIDIA in GPUs |
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Calinou |
both have ~80% market share now |
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Teckla |
Calinou: Yeah, that kind of dominance can't be good for competition |
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comradmax |
did anyone buy out AMD yet? microsoft? |
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freelikegnu |
looks like amd northern islands (r6670) support is still a bit incomplete with the foss drivers |
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freelikegnu |
http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ |
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freelikegnu |
maybe you would have better luck with catalyst? |
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Calinou |
lol, suggesting Catalyst in 2015 |
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Calinou |
prepare for a wreck |
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nm0i |
Nvidia cards have weak chances of being bridged into qemu. But thats as far as I'd go in defending ATI/AMD. |
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comradmax |
freelikegnu: most of the boxes say Done, it's not that bad |
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freelikegnu |
Calinou: guess I take for granted the nvidia drivers |
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comradmax |
but im guessing i dont get any dual gpu benefit on linux :( |
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freelikegnu |
but maybe this will help comradmax https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD?action=show&redirect=BinaryDriverHowto%2FATI |
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Calinou |
dual GPU is a dead pony :) |
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Calinou |
except if you want to drive a lot of screens |
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Calinou |
most free games don't handle SLI anyway |
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comradmax |
my entire pc cost me $450 total :) |
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freelikegnu |
nvidia has been a pain at times as well, 3D graphics IsHard |
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comradmax |
freelikegnu: thank you, i will try that driver |
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freelikegnu |
all I know is minetest is a good performer on even older slower hardware |
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freelikegnu |
so I'm sure there is hope |
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freelikegnu |
it fucking irrlicht for the love of benji |
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comradmax |
im unhappy about getting 13-40 fps on 1920x1200, there is no hope:) |
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Calinou |
Irrlicht is barely maintained, freelikegnu :P |
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freelikegnu |
Calinou: does that mean it is demanding on hardware? |
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Calinou |
no, it is not |
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Calinou |
but it's also very limited |
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freelikegnu |
Calinou: I'm no prgrammer, but it seems that irrlicht is not the bottleneck in MT for performance |
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Calinou |
there are bottlenecks in MT itself |
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freelikegnu |
though it makes me wonder if opencl could be utilized form map generation |
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comradmax |
i thought my amd would be beastmode in minetest |
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Calinou |
it would require hardware support - that's plain insane |
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Calinou |
not everyone has good, proper OpenCL support |
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comradmax |
opencl is great, i wish AMD had it working on 6670, but i was just shit out of luck. their next gen after 6670 has good opencl |
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Calinou |
(especially free/libre drivers or old graphics cards) |
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freelikegnu |
It kinda sounded like you were suggesting MT be played on an nvidia anyways just a minute ago |
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Calinou |
no, we should welcome people regardless of their hardware |
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Calinou |
no game developer will force their users to have a NVIDIA card intentionally :P |
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freelikegnu |
It looks as though there is opencl for intel, amd and nvidia gpus that have been made in a past few years |
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Calinou |
does it work in Nouveau? does it work in Radeon? does it work in the Intel Windows driver? |
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freelikegnu |
I dunno the buzzword sounded cool and "OpenCL will save us all" and all that |
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Calinou |
yeah... no |
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Calinou |
OpenCL is mostly a fail so far |
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Calinou |
it's what we call a "four" or a "bide" here :) |
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freelikegnu |
looks as though GIMP may be supporting it |
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Calinou |
those are "workstation" or "creative" apps |
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Calinou |
not games |
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freelikegnu |
MT is on my workstation and I find I am most creative when interacting with it! |
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freelikegnu |
speaking of being creative with MT, whats up with Carbone?! |
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Krock |
leveled up to Carbone NG |
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freelikegnu |
yes I meant Carbone-NG |
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Calinou |
university started :( |
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Calinou |
I'll try to update it |
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freelikegnu |
you can't have university without a creative way to procrastinate |
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freelikegnu |
I nearlly dropped out of univeristy modding a dungeon crawler |
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Calinou |
freelikegnu, there, just pushed an upstream update |
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Calinou |
:) |
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freelikegnu |
so I left that community behind and now I have a piece of paper that says that I is haz teh smarts |
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freelikegnu |
wont make that mistake again! |
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Calinou |
this degree lasts 2 years |
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Calinou |
then there is the possibility to have a 3rd year |
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waressearcher2 |
freelikegnu: "modding a dungeon crawler", what is it ? |
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waressearcher2 |
a game ? |
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freelikegnu |
niceone! |
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freelikegnu |
waressearcher2: it was dungeon siege |
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waressearcher2 |
heard of it |
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waressearcher2 |
don't do rpg |
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freelikegnu |
theres not a whole lotta rp in that g |
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MintUser |
hola |
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freelikegnu |
its really more of a pretty hack and slash |
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waressearcher2 |
or I mistaken it with "neverwinter night" |
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freelikegnu |
quite |
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freelikegnu |
this is like candyland compared to DnD |
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freelikegnu |
It dirves my nuts everytime I hear a science podcast on education and someone brings up Minecraft in the classroom...:P |
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comradmax |
someone teaches science with minecraft? |
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Calinou |
it's quite silly IMO |
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Calinou |
regardless of age |
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CWz |
who would use a game as an education tool anyways |
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Krock |
but tetris... |
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STHGOM |
game == fun | school == not fun | game + school == fun, but not. |
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sd1001 |
School doesn't have to be not fun |
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Calinou |
nobody at uni that I know plays Minetest, or any other free game :( |
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* twoelk |
joins quickly to raise the flag foir playing at school an learning while doing so |
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Krock |
STHGOM, don't mess up bitwise and boolean operations |
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Krock |
'|' is a bitwise operator |
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twoelk |
'watomic' for example shows chemistry can be puzzling fun |
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STHGOM |
sd1001, yes ik :). Krock, i was just using that as a separator. (im not really much of a coder) |
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Krock |
STHGOM, I know. Just pointing out that every code you write can be analyzed very complicated |
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Calinou |
do you have an easy-to-understand tutorial on bitwise operators? |
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Calinou |
I don't understand what those are :( |
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Krock |
Calinou, how can't you understand them? Just learn what a OR and an AND gate do |
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Krock |
But for tutorials... google is your bad friend. Usae Duckduckgo |
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* Krock |
qickly adds "bad" and "Use Duckduckgo" afterwards |
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Calinou |
I saw someone at uni using DuckDuckGo |
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Krock |
\o/ |
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Calinou |
Krock, I know about OR/AND gates. but don't bitwise operators work on binary numbers? |
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Krock |
Calinou, the OR/AND functions ('|', '&') are used on every single bit |
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Krock |
so '0x01 | 0x10' results as 0x11 |
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Krock |
Oh, almost forgot the XOR ('^') (toggle) function and the bitwise shifting |
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Krock |
Calinou, sorry when I didn't answer your question directly but I think a tutorial page actually helps more than my complicated sentences. |
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freelikegnu |
blocky is a fun educational game |
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freelikegnu |
though it teaches javascripy |
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freelikegnu |
would be nice to have a lua version as a nice precursor to learning more about lua with minetest |
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twoelk |
lua-blocks in minetest? |
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freelikegnu |
really I think the takeaway is learning about how logic works at a young age rather than grappling with it after the hair is already falling out |
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freelikegnu |
lua blocks in mt are good, but blocky is like a turnkey tutorial... like if you combined the tutorial minetest subgame with luablocks? |
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twoelk |
hm install the areas mod without markers to teach the kids all about the cartesian coordinates system :-D and have fun watching them |
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freelikegnu |
Yeah minetest gave me a good opportunity to discuss coords with my daughter the other day |
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freelikegnu |
so she could get her bones |
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freelikegnu |
:D |
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comradmax |
it seems MT loads up to the max distance that is covered by the minimap. is there any way to increase this further? setting viewing_range_nodes_min higher than 500 doesnt do it |
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twoelk |
I smell highend equipment there |
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comradmax |
yes, i have a radeon 6670 monster |
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rubenwardy |
or more optimisation |
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twoelk |
I never could look farther than 3000 nodes |
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twoelk |
but only in one direction |
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twoelk |
and not for long |
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comradmax |
twoelk i cant even look that far. i clearly see the hard edge, and im guessing it's about 500 |
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twoelk |
dont get me wrong, I flew that distance and then looked back - I dont think you can load that distance by looking there |
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comradmax |
i think the minimap covers 500x500, so it's 250 to the edge from the middle. is that right? |
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comradmax |
oh, i gotcha, i need to go there, load it, and then i'll see it |
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comradmax |
but yes, i was wonderig if i can force to load by standing and just looking |
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twoelk |
I don't think the minimap preloads, it just shows what is loaded |
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twoelk |
farmesh was an experiment to see far but the math involved to look far is pretty staggering |
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comradmax |
it should be the same math, just more of it, no? |
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freelikegnu |
maybe a case for....opencl?! /me runs away |
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comradmax |
there is an actual max distance, once a node at some distance will render smaller than one pixel. it might be called diffraction limmit, but that's in real life... |
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comradmax |
after that maybe you need diff math |
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twoelk |
there is an end to cubic exponential math and that isn't far - just think of the chessboard story with doubling on each square |
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comradmax |
it'll take longer and longer to render, i get that |
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Hisforever |
I used VanessaE mod for building houses dose anybody have the URL for that Mod? |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack |
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Hisforever |
thyanks Vanessa |
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VanessaE |
yw |
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swift110-phone |
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Juraka |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Juraka |
:) how goes the MT world? I'm new to it but so far it looks grand.... Vanessa your work is awesome |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
oh it goes, same as usual. and thanks :) |
| 23:13 |
Juraka |
I can't claim to be any good at programming, but I'm trying to learn and hopefully could contribute one day |
| 23:13 |
Juraka |
I have tons of ideas to expand/improve engine but who doesn't I suppose :p |
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waressearcher2 |
don't you think little tight community is better than big random one ? |
