IRC log for #minetest, 2015-08-22

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00:05	Sketch2	there doesn't seem to be an input tho
00:05	Sketch2	you don't get the option to put anything into it from your inventory
00:06	Sketch2	and you can't seem to pipe anything with an item-injector
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00:35	est31	wow, sethome is a mod of minetest_game?
00:35	est31	didnt know
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02:01	wilkgr	G'bye all
02:01	wilkgr	Going to CoderDojo now :D
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05:18	OldCoder	<WizardSchool> <crainer> hi admin
05:18	OldCoder	<WizardSchool> <OldCoder> hi crainer
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05:18	OldCoder	Somebody faked me on my own world just half an hour ago
05:19	OldCoder	Just to do that :-) Why in the world go to the effort?
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07:38	CWz	how high off the ground the structure must be to not cast shadow
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08:17	rubenwardy	what do you think? https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/2fc9f642a38882caf24c
08:17	rubenwardy	!title
08:17	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: rubenwardy_bounties.md Â· GitHub
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08:40	Krock	rubenwardy, amazing idea. But that's just a candy. I doupt this will be a big motivation
08:40	rubenwardy	no
08:40	rubenwardy	we need sticks too
08:40	Krock	..sticks??
08:41	rubenwardy	you know, carrot and stick?
08:41	rubenwardy	!g the carrot and the stick
08:41	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick
08:41	Krock	Ah, the thing with the donkey..
08:42	rubenwardy	It was also thinking about doing a bug award, but it's harder to define those...
08:42	rubenwardy	maybe do a competition of the most bugs fixed :P
08:43	rubenwardy	also, I want to do a diverse award, where people are rewarded for subgames that go beyond the MC-like
08:43	Krock	but then don't mix "fixed" with "eaten", there are many supid competitions all over the world
08:43	rubenwardy	s/award/competition/
08:44	rubenwardy	lol
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10:06	Donillo	what are ways to light up something?
10:06	Donillo	only lava?
10:07	est31	I think so, yes
10:07	est31	corium lights up too
10:07	est31	so it depends on the mods you have installed
10:07	Donillo	huh, I need safe way
10:07	Donillo	I just wanna burn down one tree
10:08	est31	but in minetest_game only lava ignites
10:08	Donillo	rubber tree is somewhat hard to get rid of
10:11	est31	in the old days, stuff ignited fast
10:12	est31	since paramat's changes, you'll need a half hour to burn down the tree
10:12	est31	perhaps only 10 minutes
10:13	est31	if you have technic installed, use the mk3 drill
10:13	Donillo	have not got it yet
10:14	Donillo	how it can ignite stuff?
10:14	nanepiwo	generally, why are mesecons considered laggy? is it many abms?
10:15	est31	nanepiwo, you really want me to install them? well, then lets do it.
10:15	nanepiwo	what?
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10:23	est31	nanepiwo, mesecons and pipeworks now installed on trepca server
10:23	est31	have fun :)
10:24	nanepiwo	well....
10:24	Donillo	he asked why mesecons are considered laggy :/
10:24	nanepiwo	and I though trepca was turned off
10:24	Donillo	for me toggling mesecons stuff causes short, but noticeable game freeze
10:24	est31	no, its still there
10:24	est31	but very low on the list :(
10:25	nanepiwo	I think everyone left when they were told it would be shut off
10:26	nanepiwo	though its not a creative server, and I haven't really played there, so will be hard to get mesecon stuff for testing
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10:33	* Krock	tries to build 0.4.13-dev with postgresql
10:48	Donillo	http://kgdskill.linkpc.net/files/screenshot_20150822_104700.png
10:48	Donillo	I think trees should not grow like that, even if there are a dirt node
10:52	rubenwardy	https://vimeo.com/92623463
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10:56	Donillo	damn it
10:56	Donillo	that's not a mese, that's sulfur
10:56	Donillo	what uses sulfur have?
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12:39	Donillo	holy shit
12:39	Donillo	what do with corium?
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13:13	Donillo	how to deal with corium?
13:13	Donillo	I've used worldedit to get rid of one source I've placed
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14:21	CWz	"A member of the core team has finished abstracting away Irrlicht, and can now run MT with Orge3D - however it's quite buggy. Lots of work is still needed." where can i find that rubenwardy?
14:21	CWz	or was it a joke
14:22	Amaz	CWz, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-08-21#i_4373248
14:23	CWz	Zeno is an hero
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15:03	STHGOM	where could i find info about perlin noise?
15:04	STHGOM	oop, that wiki page didnt seem to be there a day ago :P
15:04	STHGOM	nvm
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15:08	Wolfruddel	Hi
15:09	luizrpgluiz	hi :)
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15:47	CWz	Yugioh is the snowest paced anime ever
15:48	CWz	by the time a duel ends minetest devs would release 4 versions of minetest and return from vacation in Hawaii
15:48	sfan5	>yugioh
15:48	sfan5	and
15:48	sfan5	>hawaii
15:49	STHGOM	snowest?
15:49	CWz	*slowest
15:49	CWz	i should probably stop typing too fast
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15:50	SylvieLorxu	>tfw Minetest lacks mod store :(
15:50	CWz	um no. I'm pretty sure there is one
15:51	CWz	never used it though. i mush prefer using git
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15:55	Amaz	CWz, it was disabledin 0.4.13
15:55	Amaz	*disabled in
15:56	CWz	hmm
15:56	CWz	Oh well
15:57	* CWz	thinks about opening a club for all those old versions minetest that nobody plays anymore..
15:57	CWz	^oddie
15:57	Amaz	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d565ce95395ec514d48b86910ae333bd5bfaa951
15:58	est31	see commit description for reason
15:59	SylvieLorxu	I'm really sad about the mod database going offline
15:59	SylvieLorxu	That stuff was good :(
16:04	CWz	Amaz: doctor Zeno` ported minetest to OgreEngine he is still doing tests
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16:09	rubenwardy	the mod database never really worked
16:10	rubenwardy	it was impractical and clunky
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16:22	CWz	i think it only worked 15% of the time
16:22	CWz	and was laggy
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16:41	cimbakahn	Does anyone know what's happening with stormchaser3000's server? I am getting "Connection timed out" error.
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16:43	cimbakahn	I am not the only one. Others can't get logged in there either.
16:45	CWz	it probably crashed or it locked up
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16:46	cimbakahn	I wish i could find out when it will be up next. Noone can get in touch with stormchaser.
16:47	VanessaE	which server are you lookign for? his skyblock seems to be up now?
16:48	cimbakahn	stormchaser3000.noip.me
16:48	Siva	It is called The Storm
16:49	Siva	it yseally attached to inchra..net
16:49	Siva	in #minetest there
16:50	CWz	no that is the economy server
16:50	CWz	not the skyblock
16:50	Siva	yes it is
16:50	cimbakahn	Port 30002
16:50	cimbakahn	I'm still getting "Connection timed out" error.
16:50	Siva	we're oridibarly on the econy server
16:51	Siva	ordinarly
16:51	Siva	economy :-)
16:51	Krock	!up stormchaser3000.noip.me 30002
16:51	MinetestBot	stormchaser3000.noip.me:30002 is up (112ms)
16:51	Calinou	https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks/commit/938bba32a4008bdde9c064dda6a0597987ddef54
16:51	Calinou	lol
16:51	CWz	VanessaE: likes skyblocks?
16:52	CWz	i don't get it Calinou
16:52	Krock	Calinou, how did it get that many followers?
16:53	Calinou	it's a thing used bypass China firewall apparently
16:53	Calinou	GFW = great firewall I guess
16:53	Calinou	most users commenting are Chinese
16:53	VanessaE	CWz: yes, I do.
16:54	VanessaE	but storm reset the map recently and all my stuff is gone. I had a nice house and orchard and was reasonably wealthy :(
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16:56	LandMine	what happens?
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16:59	CWz	a few I saw video of a guy blowing up minecraft knockoff toys. i smiled when the creeper toy exploded
17:00	Siva	Only Minecraft YouTubers I watcj are thr ypgcasy
17:00	CWz	most of them MCyoutubers do the exact same thing
17:01	LandMine	add me on steam niggs
17:01	LandMine	http://steamcommunity.com/id/landminemt/
17:01	LandMine	why isnt MT on steam!!!
17:01	LandMine	i would have added up so many hours lol
17:02	rubenwardy	Do you think it would be greenlit?
17:02	LandMine	yeh
17:02	CWz	No minecraft fanboys would downvote it
17:03	LandMine	but MC is not even on steam ethier
17:03	rubenwardy	I don't think MT is of high enough quality
17:03	rubenwardy	as in polishness and bug-free
17:03	cimbakahn	I fear if Minetest was on Steam, Steam would make people pay for it.
17:03	CWz	We need to weaponize zeno
17:04	CWz	12$
17:04	rubenwardy	I'd pay for Minetest
17:04	rubenwardy	as long as it was FOSS
17:04	rubenwardy	I'd probably pay about Â£3 if it is a game I've never heard of before, and I'd been sold it enough
17:05	rubenwardy	also, itch.io and gogs
17:05	Calinou	paying for copies of digital works? no thanks, I'll get a gratis copy
17:05	rubenwardy	So all software should be gratis?
17:05	Calinou	yep :-)
17:05	Calinou	don't sell software itself, sell services
17:05	Calinou	or physical goodies, or such
17:06	LandMine	i think you can put a game for free on steam
17:06	Calinou	you can put gratis games on Steam
17:06	Calinou	but Greenlighting costs ~$ 100
17:07	Calinou	so you're making a net loss :)
17:07	LandMine	ill give you those 100
17:07	rubenwardy	what's the open source steam-like called?
17:07	CWz	100$ aint worth it what about desura
17:07	rubenwardy	desura?
17:07	LandMine	if you really need ot pay it
17:07	Calinou	Lutris
17:07	Calinou	Desura went bankrupt
17:07	Calinou	(oh, Minetest is already on Lutris)
17:07	CWz	Desura rip
17:08	CWz	that means my account is gone too
17:08	cimbakahn	The things that separate Minetest from Mine craft is: Minetest runs faster on your computer, and it is free as in cost, and it is open source.
17:08	CWz	minecraft runs better for me then minetest does on windows
17:08	Calinou	Minetest is not faster
17:08	Calinou	Minecraft is well optimized as of 1.8
17:08	LandMine	lol CWz same for me
17:08	CWz	+ optifine
17:08	Calinou	it's also less buggy
17:08	Calinou	no, even without Optifine, CWz
17:09	rubenwardy	apparently they're recovering: http://www.desura.com/news/may-27th-update
17:09	Siva	Desura probably shouldn't of been by Bad JuJu
17:09	Siva	developed
17:10	Siva	thanks for dropping words keyboard
17:10	Siva	I have?
17:10	Siva	O_o
17:10	Calinou	I could of done this; this would be better then not typing that.
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17:12	CWz	I wonder if there is an opensource the Sims
17:13	cimbakahn	I'm still getting "Connection timed out" error.
17:13	rubenwardy	I'd like an open source Sims
17:13	rubenwardy	I started writing one, but it's too much for my skills :P
17:14	LandMine	lol
17:14	rubenwardy	I'd also like an open source Stronghold game
17:14	CWz	i hope if one ever gets made it won't be called opensims
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17:14	rubenwardy	because it already exists
17:14	LandMine	who else gets a AV pop up from the main page of minetest.net?
17:14	rubenwardy	as that ###life
17:15	rubenwardy	AV?#
17:15	rubenwardy	!g AV
17:15	LandMine	antivirus
17:15	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: http://www.avclub.com/
17:15	rubenwardy	not me
17:15	rubenwardy	I use GNU/Linux
17:15	CWz	i wonder if Notch has heard about minetest
17:16	CWz	and played it
17:16	Calinou	maybe in secret, but definitely not in public :P
17:16	Calinou	rubenwardy, an open source GTA!!!
17:16	Calinou	I want to be a gangsta!!!
17:16	Calinou	:p
17:16	CWz	i think there might be open source gta but probbaly not
17:17	LandMine	i dont think so
17:17	rubenwardy	unfortunately, if you are good enough to make such projects and invest enough time you want to make loads of profit
17:17	LandMine	it would be cool
17:17	Calinou	rubenwardy, there are exceptions
17:17	LandMine	if it was multiplayer though
17:17	Calinou	many great projects made today are not-for-profit
17:17	rubenwardy	while you can make money with FOSS, it's not so "traditional"
17:17	Calinou	sadly this is so rare in gaming
17:17	rubenwardy	yeah
17:17	Calinou	the problem is that gamers don't want free/libre software, they want hype
17:17	LandMine	lol
17:17	Calinou	they want stuff to be encrypted around so that you can't "cheat" or "know secrets"
17:19	Calinou	rubenwardy, have you looked at Godot?
17:19	rubenwardy	yeah
17:19	Hijiri	is that the one freedomware game engine
17:19	Calinou	I made Libre Pinball in it :)
17:19	Calinou	Hijiri, yes
17:20	Calinou	see https://notabug.org/koz.ross/awesome-gamedev
17:20	rubenwardy	I have, it's a very good list
17:20	Siva	GTA would be mostly boring without cheats
17:21	rubenwardy	I was watching talks about procedural generation from it
17:21	Hijiri	Calinou: does it come with precise sound timing
17:21	CWz	what scripting language does godot use
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17:21	Hijiri	like could I play some music, then get a very accurate reading of the current position
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17:21	Calinou	if your game runs smoothly, possibly
17:22	cimbakahn	I agree! We should have an open source Sims3 clone, and a GTA Vice City clone.
17:22	Calinou	CWz, its own language: GDScript.
17:22	rubenwardy	CWz: GDScript
17:22	Calinou	it is similar to Python
17:22	rubenwardy	damn
17:22	Hijiri	I want it to be independent of how smooth the game is running
17:22	Hijiri	if the music lags then the timing should lag too
17:22	rubenwardy	music in games sucks, there's almost no work on sound physics engine
17:22	rubenwardy	s
17:22	Calinou	well, you can always use streams (.ogg music)...
17:23	rubenwardy	well, not "sucks"
17:23	rubenwardy	more "misses potentials"
17:23	rubenwardy	all the work is by researchers, and not actually implemented
17:24	Calinou	reverberation is possible in Godot, I think
17:24	rubenwardy	that's cool
17:25	rubenwardy	I can't wait to start uni, and learn more higher level stuff
17:27	Calinou	I start uni in 10 days :p
17:27	Calinou	I'll learn mostly high-level stuff
17:27	Calinou	probably no C or CC
17:27	Calinou	C++*
17:27	rubenwardy	https://notabug.org/koz.ross/awesome-gamedev#utilities
17:27	rubenwardy	monkey isn't FOSS
17:28	rubenwardy	I start in a month :(
17:29	Calinou	https://github.com/blitz-research/monkey
17:29	Calinou	yeah it's strange
17:34	exio4	Calinou: what are you going to study?
17:35	exio4	been at uni for over a year, boring stuff mostly
17:35	Calinou	http://src-media.com/ppn-mmi/fiches-modules.html
17:35	Calinou	here you can find a list (in French)
17:36	Calinou	hmm, doesn't go well in translator
17:36	Calinou	so... we will study infography (using proprietary software), project management (also using proprietary software), Web development (mostly using free software!), networks (using Debian, likely)
17:36	Calinou	and more
17:37	exio4	so you aren't studying computer science
17:37	exio4	I realized, I may don't know french but the language gives enough hints
17:37	Calinou	it isn't computer science per se
17:38	exio4	Anglais sounds like English
17:38	Calinou	yes, it is English
17:38	exio4	boring then
17:38	exio4	TICs are boring too
17:38	exio4	it's like software engineering and random stuff
17:38	Calinou	many areas will help me dive into computer science, probably
17:38	Calinou	like, more "advanced" maths
17:39	Calinou	I don't think I have to touch C++ or Java anyway :-)
17:39	Calinou	literally everything can be made in HTML, CSS, JavaScript
17:39	Calinou	and other high-level languages
17:39	exio4	are you learning anything interesing?
17:40	Calinou	well, JavaScript should sure be interesting...
17:40	exio4	I repeat my answer
17:40	exio4	like, something interesing with technical points in favor
17:41	exio4	not just marketing and/or forced-popularity
17:41	Calinou	the university I go to doesn't plan to teach how to be a software developer
17:41	Calinou	it's how to be a Web developer and designer
17:41	exio4	I never talked about being a software developer
17:42	exio4	ah, well
17:42	exio4	nothing from a technical point is interesing there :>
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17:42	exio4	I found uni to be too damn boring so far
17:43	exio4	http://src-media.com/ppn-mmi/fiches-modules.html#m1202 doesn't show anything nice
17:43	Calinou	look, I don't need C++ to make games, since I can use Godot...
17:43	Calinou	exio4, click on Semestre 1 to see only activites of first semester btw
17:46	exio4	yea
17:46	exio4	h
17:46	exio4	what's rÃ©seaux?
17:46	exio4	research?
17:46	exio4	it doesn't look like tha
17:46	exio4	t
17:47	Calinou	rÃ©seaux = networking
17:47	exio4	makes sense
17:47	Calinou	should make heavy use of GNU/Linux :)
17:47	exio4	that looks like one of the boring parts too
17:47	exio4	I dislike everything actually
17:48	exio4	(I am not talking about your stuff, also mine)
17:52	LandMine	calinou
17:52	LandMine	where you from?
17:53	Calinou	France
17:53	LandMine	ok
17:54	exio4	oh, it's a short thing now that I see
17:55	Calinou	exio4, it's only 2 years yes
17:55	Calinou	but can be extended to 3 years
17:56	exio4	"extended" as in ?
18:00	Telesight1	Hello, where can i find the description of all the variables of the mapgenerator settings in minetest.conf ? Like this: mgv7_np_terrain_base = 4, 70, (600, 600, 600), 82341, 5, 0.6, 2.0
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18:06	cimbakahn	If anyone sees stormchaser3000. Please tell him the servers down. Noone can log in. I am getting "Connection timed out" error.
18:06	Calinou	this is why you invest in an automatic restart script :)
18:08	Krock	cimbakahn, sent him a message
18:11	cimbakahn	Thank you very much!
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18:15	hmmmm	can somebody delete this post https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=13071#p187730
18:16	sfan5	done
18:18	TheWild	0.4.13 and my computer hasn't enough memory to handle Minetest
18:19	hmmmm	i have trouble understanding why people would feel compelled to make shitposts like that
18:20	CWz	what was the shitpost?
18:21	sfan5	"FIRST!!!!!!"
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18:22	CWz	I hate those. they really must have an uneventful life
18:25	sfan5	FOR FUCKS SAKE
18:25	sfan5	CAN NOBODY READ SHIT
18:25	sfan5	Lua Errors... (New posts)
18:25	sfan5	by Tmanyo Â» 17. Aug 2015, 03:45
18:25	sfan5	in fucking general discussion
18:27	sfan5	!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12983
18:27	MinetestBot	sfan5: I got a DeviantArt Page - Minetest Forums
18:27	sfan5	nobody gives a shit
18:27	sfan5	why is that in general discussion
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18:34	sfan5	found [snip]
18:34	sfan5	(Inocudom's Intuition: >_> Dude, when will you [snip])
18:34	sfan5	I will be a real man and give my intuition the boot right now!
18:34	sfan5	SLAM!!!
18:34		sfan5 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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18:34	sfan5	!deop ShadowBot
18:35	sfan5	for fucks sake
18:35	sfan5	anyway
18:35	sfan5	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=187902#p187902
18:35	sfan5	did that guy take drugs or something
18:35	VanessaE	wat
18:38	Siva	someone should let hm know...."drugs are bad mmkay."
18:38	Krock	lolz
18:39	Krock	rekt
18:47	israuor	hmm.. why don't I get a activation mail from forum.minetest.net ?
18:48	Calinou	israuor, what is your forum username?
18:48	israuor	israuor
18:49	Calinou	I activated your account, you may now log in
18:49	rubenwardy	while we're on it, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13044
18:49	israuor	yeee thx.
18:49	rubenwardy	should be in bugs and problems
18:51	* Out`Of`Control	don't use forums
18:51	Out`Of`Control	Krock: converting map fixed error
18:51	Krock	good.
18:52	Out`Of`Control	ty
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18:52	CWz	^^[citation needed]
18:53	israuor	CWz if it works... why not ;)
18:53	Out`Of`Control	why don't they suicide to get near jesus?
18:53	CWz	wow another person from my country
18:54	israuor	?
18:54	israuor	CWz why do you think I'm from your country ..
18:55	israuor	btw.. which one is "your" country ?
18:55	CWz	nvm
18:55	israuor	?
18:55	Out`Of`Control	israuor: from ?
18:57	israuor	IL
18:58	CWz	Nice country.
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19:15	israuor	nice .. but too expensive here for my taste ;)
19:17	Krock	what's too expensive?
19:18	israuor	living, eating, fucking.. everything.
19:21	Krock	don't care about it. You won't need your money once you're dead.
19:24	CWz	israuor: indeed
19:24	israuor	;) right.. that could've come out of my mouth as well ;_)
19:26	CWz	israuor: that and constant terrorist threats by terrorist
19:27	israuor	believe me.. nobody cares about that
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19:32	WSDguy2014	Hello guys, 0.4.13 can generate acacia trees from mapgen v6?
19:32	CWz	i think so
19:33	Krock	testing is the fastest way
19:33	WSDguy2014	CWz, thats can generate cacia trees, right?
19:39	Krock	cactus is not a tree
19:41	israuor	I don't think he was meaning cactus ;p
19:41	WSDguy2014	guys how i do download latest dev version?
19:42	israuor	which OS ?
19:42	WSDguy2014	Windows
19:43	israuor	hnmm.... I have no Idea form windows.. but I guess you can find it here: http://www.minetest.net/download
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19:43	Krock	WSDguy2014, see forums, Builds section
19:44	israuor	http://www.minetest.net/download#windows_xp_vista_7_8_81_10
19:44	israuor	why are you using windows ? ... minetest runs much better on a gnu linux system.
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19:48	luizrpgluiz	hi all
19:48	israuor	hi luizrpgluiz
19:49	luizrpgluiz	israuor: hi,how are you?
19:49	israuor	I'm good.. thank you for asking. :) How are you doin' ?
19:51	Telesight1	Hello, where can i find the description of all the variables of the mapgenerator settings in minetest.conf ? Like these: mgv7_np_terrain_base = 4, 70, (600, 600, 600), 82341, 5, 0.6, 2.0
19:51	WSDguy2014	allright, theres no download latest dev version
19:51	WSDguy2014	:\|
19:52	israuor	hm... I don't think you can download compiled daylies for windows..
19:52	israuor	(I'm not sure about that)
19:52	israuor	but a possibility would be, to compile from source yourself
19:53	Krock	<israuor>hm... I don't think you can download compiled daylies for windows..
19:53	Krock	true, but https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42
19:53	Krock	it's just that 0.4.13 stable is the newest build
19:54	israuor	I know.. but there are no daily builds for windows, are ther?
19:54	israuor	e
19:54	israuor	(not that I'm interested in them)
19:54	WSDguy2014	okay, bye, i am gonna playing on singleplayer world.
19:55	Krock	AFAIK no
19:55	TheWild	0.4.13 just came few days ago
19:55	TheWild	I'll ask some questions about the beginnings?
19:56	israuor	right.. but he was asking for latest dev builds
19:56	TheWild	Why C++? And why Irrlicht?
19:57	CWz	Why not?
19:57	israuor	hhhh
19:57	israuor	just wanted to answer the same..
19:57	israuor	I guess, that Cpp was the developer's favourite programmiong language..
19:57	israuor	and irrlich..
19:57	israuor	hm.. it's open source.. high performance realtime 3D enginge..
19:57	israuor	also written in C++
19:58	israuor	it's completely cross-platform, using D3D, OpenGL ... bla bla bla..
19:58	israuor	so I don't see a reason not to use it.
19:58	TheWild	yeah, it's also about "not reinventing the wheel", but the problem is: When Irrlicht has bug, Minetest has bug too.
19:59	CWz	i heard that some dev guy is porting minetest to ogreengine
19:59	CWz	i think he's been smoking jungle_grass
20:00	israuor	lol
20:00	israuor	TheWild hmm... but when another enginge would have a bug.. .minetest would have a bug as well... same shit.. just another engine ;)
20:01	TheWild	I wasn't ever messing with these engines. What such engine gives you that raw GL does not?
20:01	israuor	I've got another question... When nobody is active in a part of a map... nothing's working there... tree's not growing... pipeworks as well ..... a bot would be nice... who's just ther to keep things going...
20:02	israuor	I know, I could open another minetest instance for that .. but that uses a lot of resources.. .don't need a graphical interface for that... a little minetest - cli would be enough... has anyone done something like that already ?
20:03	TheWild	well, actually I can understand why Minetest is working this way. Minecraft isn't better.
20:03	Brains	israuor: I think you want one of the anchors.. World anchor? Basically keeps that bit loaded.
20:03	israuor	Brains : anchors ??? never heard of them... gimme more information :) sounds interesting.
20:04	Brains	israuor: The one I'm using is part of technic... "Administrative World Anchor"
20:05	* israuor	is becoming horny now.
20:05	Amaz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10006
20:05	Brains	israuor: technic:admin_anchor. I believe that you have to have an admin give it to you (not craftable or anything like that) and you might want to up the config option that limits the loaded blocks...
20:05	* Brains	uses it to keep his quarries and processing plant running when he's doing silly things like sleeping.
20:06	TheWild	about furnaces: It seems that someone was thinking harder and got the idea of storing the last time the furnace was active or something like to keep the information when server was unloading chunk where the furnace was. Some more theory, and when you go back to this chunk, amount of smelted stuff is magically recalculated.
20:06	israuor	Brains yesss ... I guess that's exatly what I want...
20:06	israuor	thank you so much for that information.
20:07	TheWild	I do not remember it was done to the game or left to implement later (or never)
20:08	Brains	TheWild: I am in a similar spot, I remember such talk but not if it was ever done. I'm also not sure how that would interact with the transport/sorting stuff.
20:08	* Brains	usually has "surge" loops on his processing stuff so that bits can wait their turn while the machines were busy... So that bit of magic wouldn't really help a lot.
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20:10	* TheWild	is now AFK
20:10	luizrpgluiz	It is simple to answer, C++ is a programming language faster than using Java, so you don't need to install another language like java to run on your computer
20:11	israuor	Brains: surge loops ?
20:13	Brains	israuor: Buffer is a better way to describe it... The loops just give breathing room between the surging output of the quarry and the steady processing of the machines.
20:14	Brains	Anything new from the quarry that is already being processed in the machines can slide right in but new types will just circle around in the loop until the machine is free.
20:14	israuor	okay.. now I understand... we do similar on our server .
20:15	israuor	the problem alle the time is.. nobody there.. nothings working..
20:15	israuor	hashtag teleportin tubes.
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20:16	Brains	Yeah, the admin anchor will solve that for you. I have a set of 8 quarries working with one anchor that teleports the output to another room with the processing stuff and another anchor. Heck, I even get my uranium ground, centrifuged, and smelted for me. (Never bothered to set up a fuel rod creator bit, I can handle that manually well enough.)
20:17	* Brains	only plays on a house server with his son and sometimes his wife. He has chests full of materials for whenever he gets bored.
20:18	israuor	orrr... so no entry from outside ?
20:18	israuor	just for looking ?
20:18	israuor	entrance
20:19	Brains	Quarry->tele->processing->tele->storage
20:19	* Brains	will usually leave a teleporter or elevator or something to visit the machines. Oh, also gotta remember to put a vacuum tube in there for times when something gets messed up...
20:21	* TheWild	is no longer AFK
20:22	TheWild	luizrpgluiz, thanks for bringing the fact that "C++ is a programming language faster than using Java".
20:22	TheWild	unfortunately, and by unknown reasons Minetest at current state doesn't work faster than our Java competitor
20:23	zat	says who
20:23	TheWild	me
20:23	zat	and you are??
20:24	zat	who knows you? :P
20:24	zat	Minecraft has always been a resource hog everytime I try it
20:26	TheWild	but see other side. Minecraft can generate terrain visible from 150 blocks, while Minetest stays at 75 to keep its performance... moderate!
20:26	zat	change the... config? DUHHHHH
20:26	Brains	75? I could swear that I'm seeing farther than that...
20:28	zat	distance for terrain generation is a thing, not necessarily same as how much your client will keep in sight.
20:28	zat	however, no setting there is forced.
20:30	TheWild	ok, it seems I have to dig the old stuff
20:31	Brains	Dig the old stuff?
20:33	TheWild	I haven't running that Minecraft hog for some time
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20:39	TheWild	okay, you were right. Nothing to show today. Minecraft oscillates around 30 FPS. But feels smoother than Minetest... maybe because it does not change FPS that drastically.
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20:47	israuor	I'm most of the time around 60 fps..
20:47	israuor	never more than 60
20:47	israuor	I guess that's limited form the game itself.
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20:48	TheWild	60 FPS is the common stardand in gaming
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20:48	israuor	;) no idea..
20:49	israuor	I'm not gaming at all... just started minetesting a few weeks ago.
20:49	brothersome	There is a setting in minetest.conf that sets the FPS
20:49	israuor	good to know :)
20:50	brothersome	That is the Maximum FPS
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20:57	israuor	yess sir... just saw the /usr/share/doc/minetest/minetest.conf.example
20:57	israuor	for the first time ;)
20:57	technics_	are you sure the anchor thing is into the technic mod? doesnt find it into git repo...
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21:00	technics_	oh. found it
21:05	israuor	yeeeeehh...
21:05	* israuor	's sitting on hot coals
21:06	israuor	Looking forward to see the fu**ing world anchor
21:11	technics_	hm...
21:12	TheWild	Superflat - what a stupid map, better try another seed.
21:13	technics_	:D
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21:26	rubenwardy	israuor, Irrlicht is outdated and rarely updated
21:26	israuor	okay... didn't know that..
21:26	israuor	As I mentioned.. I'm not a gamer at all ;)
21:27	israuor	Just obsessed with / addicted to minetest
21:27	rubenwardy	also, we're probably not switching to Orge, they used it to test whether the abstraction works
21:29	TheWild	What such engine gives you that raw GL can't?
21:33	israuor	was there an idea to switch to Orge?
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21:38	TheWild	yeah, if Minetest get shadows, we can switch to Ogre
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21:58	israuor	so guys... was nice here.. but I've got to go tob bed.. work tomorrow ..
21:58	israuor	see'ya
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22:59	Out`Of`Control	hi, i keep getting error with many new mods, "default.LIGHT_MAX" lines, if i remove "default." works fine. Do i need special mod for that???
23:00	Out`Of`Control	light_source = default.LIGHT_MAX-2
23:01	Out`Of`Control	mt 0.4.13 dev, i get same error with 0.4.12
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23:54	sloantothebone	Soooo, anybody working on the last 2 issues for 0.4.13?

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