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02:48	OldCoder	Is anybody present who has ever looked at a mobs mod?
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05:24	Pilcrow	hey guys. I'm setting up a windoze computer for a friend. I usually compile my own clients in Linux, but I can't be arsed to figure out cross-compiling. Anyone know which windows builds are best, from the forums? I'm kinda leaning toward sfan5's, as they are specifically labeled LuaJIT, but the latest build is 11 days old, and it looks like some important stuff has been going on since then...
05:35	Pilcrow	krock's builds look slightly newer, but I kinda don't want to have to install openal. blockmen's and fess' builds are both older. eh, looks like I answered myself; sfan5's builds seem the best choice...
05:42	sofar	Pilcrow: I'm sure you've seen all the stuff I added to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11795 ?
05:47	Pilcrow	sofar: I saw that you had made some pretty awesome-looking additions, but haven't gotten the chance to try it out yet. too many projects going on, lol. definitely interested in the hydration aspect though. just curious, have you found a decent way to detect biomes? it would be cool if plants dried out faster in the desert, etc. ;)
05:49	Pilcrow	also... the particles are an awesome idea!
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06:33	Pilcrow	hmm, #minetest is pretty dead right now... well, I've gotta go to bed anyways. see you later, all! :)
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08:20	MinetestBot	[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest_game: Use connect_to_raillike for rail 852b337 http://git.io/vUDx4 (2015-05-14T10:19:07+02:00)
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08:27	MinetestBot	[git] Novatux -> minetest/minetest_game: Add screwdriver callbacks, and code them for doors and beds 2824562 http://git.io/vUDjS (2015-05-14T10:24:56+02:00)
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08:34	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Golf Day! ðŸ˜ƒ
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08:34	Krock	JamesTait, is there a james day?
08:35	JamesTait	Not that I know of, Krock.
08:35	catninja	VanessaE: hello, I have a question about the itemframes as I have understood that you have spent quite some time on them.
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08:47	Thron	where do i get "deezl" again.. im new to this chats?
08:48	Krock	Do you know that player from a multiplayer server?
08:50	Thron	no.. he is an admin of Lord of the test.
08:51	dprc	they are on the other irc network
08:51	Thron	yep.. that the thing :) i dont no that server name my friend :)
08:51	dprc	deez in not _currently_ there though
08:52	Thron	and the server name?
08:52	dprc	irc.inchra.net
08:52	Thron	thx mate!!!
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11:16	Krock	http://www.unsungfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/feldman04.jpg
11:25	ElectronLibre	Krock: What's that link you posted?
11:30	Krock	ElectronLibre, that's a face
11:30	ElectronLibre	What an unusual face.
11:32	Krock	that face is dead since 1982
11:33	ElectronLibre	Whose face is this?
11:34	Krock	!g Marty Feldman
11:34	MinetestBot	Krock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman
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11:35	ElectronLibre	Ok, I see.
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12:25	MinetestBot	[git] Novatux -> minetest/minetest_game: Make doors not depend on screwdriver. 46c6154 http://git.io/vUScT (2015-05-14T14:24:14+02:00)
12:26	nore	Megaf_, ^
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12:27	Megaf_	cool, thanks nore
12:27	nore	you're welcome :)
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12:49	MinetestBot	[git] Novatux -> minetest/minetest_game: Make beds not skip night if nobody is online 3669ca0 http://git.io/vUS0f (2015-05-14T14:41:26+02:00)
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13:17	luizrpgluiz	hi
13:17	exio4	hi luizrpgluiz
13:18	luizrpgluiz	hi exio ^^
13:20	NekoGloop	hi
13:21	exio4	how is it going wild people
13:21	NekoGloop	gud
13:21	luizrpgluiz	anyone knows generate a single tree in the minetest?
13:21	NekoGloop	good luck
13:22	NekoGloop	you could look at VE's MoreTrees for reference though
13:23	NekoGloop	just adapt that to the default tree
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13:44	mumin-abu-jamal	hey! nice project. possible to invert mouse?
13:46	NekoGloop	you're a person not a plane
13:48	mumin-abu-jamal	:)
13:48	mumin-abu-jamal	still
13:49	* Jordach	found Kenney on Steam
13:51	Krock	mumin-abu-jamal, "invert_mouse = true" -> minetest.conf
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14:01	technomancy	is there a secret to finding out where minetest spits its debug.txt?
14:01	technomancy	searching all over the filesystem is getting kind of old
14:02	technomancy	also, why can't we see stack traces in-game?
14:02	Jordach	minetest-dir/bin/debug.txt
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14:02	technomancy	Jordach: that's not where it is on my system
14:02	Jordach	non own directory eh
14:03	Jordach	try ~/.minetest/bin/
14:03	technomancy	I think it depends on the CWD when minetest is launched, which is super annoying because I don't always remember where I've launched it from
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14:04	Jordach	i have a problem
14:04	Jordach	~276 skyrim mods
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14:08	MinetestBot	[git] Novatux -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix missing argument for on_rotate eae3740 http://git.io/vUSx6 (2015-05-14T16:07:19+02:00)
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14:22	nore	any forum moderator here? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7263&p=178501#p178501
14:22	nore	^ spam
14:23	Krock	that user made 4 posts..
14:23	nore	yep
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14:38	technomancy	has anyone gotten https://github.com/ninnghazad/dronetest working?
14:39	technomancy	I've got it loaded and supposedly the register_node call runs, but when I try to use /giveme it claims the item is unknown
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15:04	technomancy	apparently I had unsatisfied dependencies; I didn't expect it to simply fail to load silently in that case =(
15:05	Wayward_Tab	technomancy: Have you installed the dependencies?
15:05	technomancy	Wayward_Tab: I have now; just a usability SNAFU
15:06	Wayward_Tab	Ah, ok
15:08	technomancy	it would be nice if it could actually tell me there's a problem
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15:09	ElectronLibre	It does, it's written in the logs.
15:10	technomancy	the logs get written to random directories so they're easy to miss
15:11	ElectronLibre	They are normally written on the shell you start minetest/minetestserver from.
15:13	technomancy	yeah, I wish they were written to a consistent place instead
15:14	ElectronLibre	Usually, it goes in debug.txt, in the directory you were in when you launched your client, or server, or in a special file specified with --log <filename>
15:15	technomancy	sometimes I launch minetest from the shell and sometimes from xbindkeys
15:16	technomancy	in this case the xbindkeys instance I use was launched three weeks ago from a directory of a completely unrelated project
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15:17	technomancy	anyway, if there's a problem, I would like to see it; doesn't seem like much to ask
15:17	technomancy	otherwise I just assume the mod is broken
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15:22	technomancy	I'm trying to build with luajit and I get error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:23	technomancy	when I ran cmake, I gave it a path to libluajit-5.1.so.2.0.3
15:23	technomancy	it looks like minetest decided to truncate the path for some reason?
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15:25	technomancy	oh, it's just unclear in the readme; if I point it to libluajit-5.1.a it works fine
15:29	mumin-abu-jamal	Krock: thx!
15:33	Krock	np
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15:36	MinetestBot	[git] Calinou -> minetest/minetest_game: Make some common nodes let light pass through a4d056e http://git.io/vU96h (2015-05-14T17:34:17+02:00)
15:36	MinetestBot	[git] Novatux -> minetest/minetest_game: Apples give 2 HP instead of 1 HP, bread gives 5 HP instead of 4 HP 23a37e5 http://git.io/vU96j (2015-05-14T17:33:10+02:00)
15:36	MinetestBot	[git] Calinou -> minetest/minetest_game: Give 24 rails per craft instead of 15 300b140 http://git.io/vU9ie (2015-05-14T17:28:30+02:00)
15:37	ElectronLibre	These pull requests were abandonned in the PR list of minetest_game since months, it's good to see them disappear.
15:39	Calinou	:>
15:40	exio4	I still would like to see 100 HP
15:40	exio4	that sounds like a really cool thing we could have
15:40	exio4	what are your thoughts on that?
15:40	exio4	the worst part wouldn't be implementing it, but the breaking change itself
15:40	exio4	because then old mods would hve to get updated
15:41	nore	^ sorry Calinou, I wasn't able to keep the commit author for the item eat pull :\|
15:41	Calinou	heh
15:41	Calinou	exio4, I agree on that too
15:41	nore	git am wasn't happy :(
15:42	exio4	nore: what about you?
15:42	VanessaE	nore: git commit -a --amend
15:42	VanessaE	(too late now I guess)
15:42	nore	VanessaE, well, I can force push, it's not too late
15:42	exio4	that'd allow things like regen/fall damage/attacks to be more uhh, fine-grained is the word I think :P
15:43	NekoGloop	precise
15:43	VanessaE	it's too late by my clock (> 10 mis)
15:43	VanessaE	mins*
15:43	technomancy	exio4: HP is already a float, right? so... you should have all the granularity you want
15:43	nore	:(
15:43	technomancy	I mean, lua didn't get ints until 5.3 IIRC?
15:44	twoelk	why am I getting lots of ERROR[main]:FileCache: Can't write to file at ......?
15:44	VanessaE	technomancy: the problem is how the C++ side of things handles it, and how mods handle values > 20
15:44	ElectronLibre	VanessaE: You can't forcepush a commit after 10 minutes?
15:44	VanessaE	ElectronLibre: you can, but the minetest coding guidelines generally forbid that
15:44	nore	ElectronLibre, it is against git guidelines
15:44	exio4	VanessaE: that :P
15:45	technomancy	I mean with a float you can have loads of granularity without bringing it over 20
15:45	VanessaE	oh, true enough
15:45	Calinou	HP is an int
15:45	exio4	I think it's only a float in the lua world
15:45	VanessaE	hence the C++ comment.
15:45	ElectronLibre	VanessaE and nore : Ok.
15:45	technomancy	oh gotcha
15:45	exio4	I still would prefer an integer health value
15:45	technomancy	I would have assumed anything crossing the C++/lua border would just always be a float
15:46	* exio4	wouldn't mind a FPS-like hud either :P
15:46	exio4	maybe I could work on this
15:46	exio4	it'd be a nice thing to write, instead of wasting my time doing boring exercises at uni :D
15:46	rubenwardy	I'd like terraria style HP - the ability to increase the player's max hp by eating items
15:47	Calinou	maybe eating items could give you temporarily more HP than 100
15:47	Calinou	then it'd decrease slowly, like 1 per 5 seconds
15:47	Calinou	Ã la Quake
15:48	exio4	if we add that, then we could easily tweak those settings, add weapons, lots client-side prediction
15:48	rubenwardy	Well, Lua mods
15:48	exio4	use octotree instead of blocks, and re-release minetest as redeclipse :p
15:48	rubenwardy	In terraria you can find rare crystals which increase your HP permanently
15:48	Calinou	permanent boots are terrible for balance :P
15:49	rubenwardy	In Terraria they do it well
15:49	rubenwardy	Special events happen when you get higher health
15:49	rubenwardy	For example, "blood moons" which increase zombie spawn rates
15:50	kahrl	Calinou: right, if those boots have high heels :P
15:50	twoelk	doesn't Xanadu use something like healing when you got a full belly?
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15:50	VanessaE	kahrl: you just need to learn how to walk in 'em :)
15:51	exio4	rubenwardy: is terraria multiplayer?
15:51	kahrl	I'm not ready for that yet
15:51	rubenwardy	Yes
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15:51	exio4	wouldn't it still be unbalanced if some player took all boosts?
15:52	rubenwardy	With goblin invasions, there are more goblins per player
15:52	rubenwardy	If it wasn't unbalanced, what is the point of upgrading? Also, the hp increase only works up to a point.
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15:53	rubenwardy	ie: every player would be using wood tools and wood armour
15:56	exio4	the whole health system could be nicely reworked, then two thirds of the mods break :p
15:57	exio4	that's still the only bad part
15:58	ADFENO	Hi everybody! Is it possible to replace the main "chat" command on Minetest? So, let's say, it limits the range of players able to "hear" (in this case, read) the messsage? (I have seem something similar made using sound in the [technic] mod).
15:58	kahrl	personally I prefer the zelda method of increasing max life (where heart containers are boss drops, cleverly hidden or minigame/quest rewards) to the terraria one (where you have to either get lucky or grind a lot)
15:58	rubenwardy	0.5!
15:58	kahrl	although I haven't played terraria myself, only watched it a bit
15:58	rubenwardy	ADFENO, chatplus can do this
15:59	rubenwardy	!mod chatplus
15:59	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Chat plus [chatplus] Inbox GUI by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6273
15:59	rubenwardy	#selfPromotion
15:59	ADFENO	Wow!
15:59	ADFENO	Nice!
15:59	CWz	#modthatprobablywasnotupdatesince047 #nooffense
16:00	rubenwardy	Put chatplus_distance into minetest.conf
16:00	rubenwardy	eg chatplus_distance = 20 means you need to be within 20 blocks
16:00	ADFENO	Hm...
16:00	ADFENO	Nice! [2]
16:00	rubenwardy	15 of Jan, CWz. So 4 months.
16:04	ADFENO	Does it work with [areas] and [worldedit] mods' commands?
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16:06	ADFENO	I have read from the [chatplus] forum topic, that it might cause unnexpect behaviours with other chat commands... :D
16:07	ADFENO	Well....
16:07	ADFENO	Let's do some testing.... :D
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16:56	stormchaser3000	i know this isn't the place to ask
16:56	stormchaser3000	but um
16:56	stormchaser3000	how the !@#$ do i fix GRUB_REAL_BOOT_TIME not found
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17:09	ElectronLibre	Adimgar: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929 , it's intllib mod kilbith talked about earlier on #minetest-dev.
17:09	sofar	lol, someone is grubby :)
17:10	* sofar	should tell stormchaser to switch to extlinux...
17:17	Adimgar	greetings, i've a little question
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17:18	Adimgar	is it possible to translate ingame core texts?
17:18	Adimgar	weblate link from wiki seems to be down
17:19	Calinou	yes, it's down since 2013
17:21	Adimgar	so is not possible to make translations anymore?
17:21	sofar	is minetest properly i18n'd?
17:21	sofar	thought it had gettext support....
17:22	Calinou	it does, but it's very incomplete
17:22	Calinou	don't consider the game to be multilingual at all
17:22	Adimgar	yes it does, and there is proper tranlsations for it's interface, but not for ingame texts
17:22	sofar	i18n-ing it should be easy... just needs work
17:23	Adimgar	well, that's a pitty
17:23	sofar	ingame text? Like non-mod core engine messages?
17:23	Adimgar	exactly
17:23	Adimgar	mods already have intllib
17:23	Calinou	intllib is server-side translation
17:23	Calinou	it's worthless
17:23	Adimgar	but it's just for mods i believe
17:24	sofar	someone just needs to do the work
17:24	sofar	it's not difficult
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17:25	Adimgar	i'll be pleased to try on that
17:25	Adimgar	but i don't really know what needs to be done
17:26	sofar	http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html
17:27	sofar	basically, rewrite messages to be i18n enabled
17:27	Adimgar	lol, thanks, lots to read
17:27	sofar	and generate the proper .po files at build time
17:28	sofar	yes, sorry, it's the best way to explain it
17:28	Adimgar	i've been a translator for many projects, but never made a sw translatable XD
17:28	Adimgar	i know, no problem
17:28	sofar	Adimgar: well then this may be a fun challenge for you :)
17:28	Adimgar	not really, just to find the time to learn a new thing
17:28	Adimgar	;)
17:29	Adimgar	and that's how new things are well learned, by doing them
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17:41	ADFENO	Hi, is there someway to limit the default /me and /msg commands just when sending to administrator, or from administrators?
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17:45	Calinou	not without modifying builtin Lua code
17:45	ADFENO	Hm....
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17:46	ADFENO	Ok then. Thank you very much. :D
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19:46	Calinou	https://lut.im/YfjlgjuY/hzI1zMoX
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19:47	ElectronLibre	Calinou: WorldEdit?
19:49	Calinou	nope, developing Meze mod
19:50	ElectronLibre	Ouch.
19:51	ElectronLibre	There is too much meze for me in there, you should reduce the probabilities of it spawning.
19:52	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12149
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19:54	ADFENO	Hi, I have made a copy of the "players" folder from a world used in my server. However, I would like the players to spawn in other positions just like new players, but keep their inventory itens.
19:55	ElectronLibre	That will be complicated.. you should add a little mod which will make them spawn at a defined spawnpoint.
19:56	ADFENO	I tried deleting the "position =" line, but when I, as a normal user (which also had the line deleted) try to connect, my game closes.
19:56	ADFENO	I also tried using "position = (,,)", and it takes me to 0,0,0.
19:57	ElectronLibre	You must keep the "position" line.
19:57	ADFENO	Yes... I agree. :D
19:58	ElectronLibre	The only non-modded way I see is to replace all position lines in all files with "position = (x,y,z)" where (x,y,z) is the position of you static spawnpoint..
19:58	ADFENO	So, I guess I should just leave the positions as they are. :D
19:58	ElectronLibre	On the modded side, you could move them randomly around the static spawnpoint or (0,0,0).
19:59	ElectronLibre	Yes, in all ways, keeping the actual lines is better..
19:59	ADFENO	Hm... ok, thank you very much. :D
19:59	ADFENO	Now, I must be going.... Bye. :D
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21:42	Calinou	updated http://hugo.pro/minetest.net/
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22:02	Calinou	Screenshots section is up
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22:34	MinetestBot	[git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest: Don't crash if an item gets dropped into unloaded space be18bd6 http://git.io/vU5eB (2015-05-15T00:15:25+02:00)
22:34	MinetestBot	[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Item entity merging refactor 178f536 http://git.io/vU5e0 (2015-05-15T00:06:18+02:00)
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