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sofar |
Sokomine: you can post to imgur without even being on their website - see the forum reply I just posted :^) |
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Sokomine |
sofar: looks fine. i need to try it |
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Sokomine |
does anyone else have trouble compiling latest mt? |
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hmmmm |
nope |
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hmmmm |
what seems to be the problem with it |
00:53 |
sofar |
let me try |
00:53 |
hmmmm |
no it's okay |
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hmmmm |
it would be nice if you could have CI work on an entire branch... |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix build on Debian broken by b45df9d (missing include, somehow?) 2b44e75 http://git.io/vJ9Qy (2015-05-05T20:40:18-04:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: NodeDefManager: Improve const-correctness of interfaces 633af58 http://git.io/vJ9QS (2015-05-05T16:52:06-04:00) |
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sofar |
error: 'CONTAINS' was not declared in this scope |
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sofar |
fails to compile for me |
00:57 |
hmmmm |
oh |
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hmmmm |
are you using upstream HEAD? |
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sofar |
usually, I don't upgrade daily though |
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hmmmm |
because that already got fixed |
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sofar |
? I just literally pulled in between "let me try" and "error: " |
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sofar |
ah, re-pulled and now it compiles |
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hmmmm |
software moves fast |
00:59 |
hmmmm |
i upgrade my system at least 3 times a day |
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sofar |
"that got already fixed" -> "that got fixed JUST NOW" |
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afk |
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Sokomine |
yes, that was the problem i had, and that was why i asked. it compiles and runs fine now |
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Nappi |
@calinou your "about" page @ http://hugo.pro/minetest.net/ has an error. |
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Nappi |
keep it simple and stupid ?? |
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Nappi |
you mean keep it simple and stable right? |
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* sofar |
needs to remind Nappi about KISS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle) when he returns |
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Nappi |
@sofar: What do you mean? you think minetest should be stupid and simple? |
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Nappi |
According to judge judy;The phrase is "Keep it simple stupid" there is no "and" in there. |
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Zeno` |
Court is in session! |
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Zeno` |
Propellants state your cases |
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* Zeno` |
bangs his gravel |
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Nappi |
ACK!! dude that was my hand you just hit! |
04:57 |
Zeno` |
sorry |
04:57 |
Zeno` |
back to your seat! |
04:58 |
Nappi |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle |
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Nappi |
I thought Minetest Devs adapted it to "Keep it Simple and Stable" |
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Nappi |
I rest my case your honor. |
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sofar |
Nappi: KISS is an engineering mindset. It also applies to software. Note that the wikipedia entry properly places the "," in between Simple and Stupid |
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sofar |
it doesn't mean minetest should be stupid. it means that internal design of it should be something that other people can understand and work on |
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sofar |
ugh I hate forums... I wish people could refrain from singing their "please add my xxx feature cuz cuz cuz (10 replies following saying it's needed)" songs and file a github issue instead |
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Zeno` |
XXX? |
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Zeno` |
nvm... I'm not going with that joke |
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sofar |
actually people want to fire deferred ABM timers so plants grow while they are away |
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sofar |
in my mods case, they want their plants to die due to not being watered instantly |
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TenPlus1 |
hi folks... do we have anyone that knows about minetest source code in today ??? |
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est31 |
what do you need TenPlus1 ? |
08:05 |
est31 |
hi :) |
08:06 |
TenPlus1 |
I'm trying to find the player movement code to see how it walks up half-slabs without jumping... |
08:06 |
TenPlus1 |
hi est :) |
08:06 |
hmmmm |
src/collision.cpp, collisionMoveSimple |
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TenPlus1 |
sweet, thank you... I wanna try and port this over to mobs redo so they dont look stupid jumping on everything |
08:07 |
est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/collision.cpp#L280 |
08:07 |
est31 |
ouch |
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TenPlus1 |
oh dear... this is gonna be a bit of a read |
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* TenPlus1 |
kinda wishes that objects could use player movement routines... |
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kaeza |
uh... stepheight or something |
08:14 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2864 |
08:15 |
kaeza |
TenPlus1, ^ |
08:15 |
TenPlus1 |
o.O I never even know that existed... ahahahahaha... thanks Kaeza... |
08:15 |
TenPlus1 |
*knew |
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kaeza |
set that to e.g. 0.5 and mobs will be able to walk up half slabs |
08:16 |
kaeza |
and sure :) |
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* TenPlus1 |
has a tast |
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TenPlus1 |
thanks again... time to experiment :P |
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kaeza |
!next |
08:17 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Zeno` |
!prev |
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exio4 |
Zeno`: satisfaction doesn't form a biarrow, sorry :> |
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OldCoder |
Hm |
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OldCoder |
Is anybody but Shadow* in communication with xyz ? |
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exio4 |
maybe pm him? |
08:49 |
exio4 |
I don't know |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy No Homework Day! 😃 |
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ElectronLibre |
I should get a calendar and write all these days on it. |
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JamesTait |
ElectronLibre, there are lots more, I just pick one semi-randomly. |
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ElectronLibre |
There wouldn't be enough place in one cell of the calendar so ._. |
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JamesTait |
ElectronLibre, you'd need one of those page-per-day diaries! 😃 |
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ElectronLibre |
Err, too much paper would be wasted then. Nevermind. |
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exio4 |
JamesTait: ho homework day? I wasn't going to do it anyway! |
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exio4 |
s/ho/no |
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JamesTait |
exio4, I *was* but it seems I'm not allowed. So maybe I'll get to sleep earlier. 😉 |
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exio4 |
heh :P |
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JamesTait |
OTOH, I work from home, so does that mean I get the day off? |
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Nappi |
@calinou http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-05-06#i_4241171 |
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Nappi |
"Keep it simple and stupid" just doesnt sound right |
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Nappi |
sofar obviously likes to argue without even knowing what I am trying to point out. |
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Nappi |
@sofar: you are correct; the wikipedia entry properly places the "," in between Simple and Stupid |
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Nappi |
Calinou's website does not. Thus changing the interpretation entirely. |
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Nappi |
WTFever it looks ridiculous and I thought he should know |
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Calinou |
okay, will change |
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Calinou |
but that form sounds aggressive |
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chchjesus |
KISAS |
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chchjesus |
KISSASS |
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chchjesus |
Keep it simple and stupid, stupid. |
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chchjesus |
Keep it simple and stay stupid? |
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chchjesus |
You guys were talking about the KISS principle right? |
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Calinou |
yeah |
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chchjesus |
How about YAGNI? |
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chchjesus |
Does that sound aggressive? |
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Calinou |
YAGNI? |
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chchjesus |
You ain't gonna need it |
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chchjesus |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_aren%27t_gonna_need_it |
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kahrl |
is this a bug? when I set enable_clouds = false it doesn't get rid of the clouds outside my window |
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Calinou |
kahrl, see #minetest-dev discussion |
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kahrl |
ahh I get it, <est31> you know that enable_clouds = false only affects in-game clouds? |
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Calinou |
menu_clouds = false |
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kahrl |
I meant the glass window, not the game window -.- |
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kahrl |
:P |
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Gideon |
hi :) |
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Gideon |
anyone ? |
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CWz |
"self administrated" servers seem to be on the rise |
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CWz |
well almost |
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CWz |
ac_minetest: are you "rnd" |
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ac_minetest |
CWz yes |
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CWz |
there is this user raging about being unjustly banned from your server |
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Sokomine |
CWz: normal on rnd's server. it used to be possible to just open the door with another character. beeing jailed on rnd's server has got absolutely nothing to do with having done something wrong. it's just random cruelty, applied by scripts |
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Sokomine |
still, the server is very intresting as far as fighting against mobs goes. that is very well handled |
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ac_minetest |
sokomine: noone gets "banned" automatically on my server. there is only jail penalty for editing inside other ppl protector zone. if he got banned some admin must have banned him |
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* CWz |
wonders if it possible to have a build priv that is independent from interact. |
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TheWild |
Guess what is more intuitive to throw single item., Q or Shift+Q? |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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rubenwardy |
Has anyone got a script to save debug.txt into debug_[y]_[m]_[d].txt? |
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kahrl |
I think you could do that with logrotate |
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rubenwardy |
Would I need to stop Minetest? |
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ClaudeRoy |
. |
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CWz |
rubenwardy: i think this mod is broken https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas |
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rubenwardy |
Probably |
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CWz |
That is unfortunate pretty useful mod |
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ElectronLibre |
CWz, in which way is it broken? |
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rubenwardy |
It works fine, but no edit |
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rubenwardy |
and hard to use |
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ElectronLibre |
(Launching my test server, got a missing EndEnvArg error, I hate that) |
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CWz |
it doesn't seem to effect player privs |
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CWz |
*affect |
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ElectronLibre |
My env_meta.txt file is empty what the? ._. |
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rubenwardy |
It does for me. You need to set it up, it's rather painful. |
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rubenwardy |
Does it say "you have entered area 1" etc? |
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CWz |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
and does it say "you have been given these privs:" |
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CWz |
yes |
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rubenwardy |
Are you playing as singleplayer? |
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CWz |
no, i was using multiplayer and was testing with another "player" |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi |
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rubenwardy |
It's probably Minetest's problem |
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stormchaser3000 |
wth i meant to join the inchra network |
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rubenwardy |
How I hate two year old code |
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rubenwardy |
What is the best way for Minetest to pass chat messages to a python webserver? |
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Calinou |
parse logs |
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rubenwardy |
Without relying on IRC |
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rubenwardy |
That would make sense |
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Builder123 |
hi storm |
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rubenwardy |
What about sending chat messages/commands to Minetest |
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Hijiri |
sockets? |
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rubenwardy |
That would make sense, but Lua in Minetest sucks with that. And I don't want to have to remake it when sandboxing is added |
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rubenwardy |
I'll look at the IRC mod |
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rubenwardy |
To see how it does sockets |
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rubenwardy |
Oh, I didn't know socket("") was allowed O_o |
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rubenwardy |
Well, that's enough for today. https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel |
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Calinou |
starred |
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Calinou |
and watched |
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rubenwardy |
Bye! |
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CWz |
and than everybody netsplited |
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Hijiri |
at least this channel isn't a megachannel |
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DaveTheModder |
Just curious, does anyone know how long it'll be until official mapgen v5 biome development is complete? |
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Calinou |
mgv5 is pretty much complete I guess |
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Calinou |
it tries to replicate 0.3.1 as much as possible, but with the new biome system |
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Calinou |
mgv7 is considered to be in development |
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DaveTheModder |
When I started playing Minetest, it was 0.3.1 that I found on the Ubuntu Software Center, and the first world I created has always been my favorite, but it was lost |
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DaveTheModder |
That was cut off... |
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DaveTheModder |
Is there a word/character limit in messages here? |
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DaveTheModder |
I tried to say something, and it was cut off... |
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ElectronLibre |
IRC protocol cuts after a lot of characters, I don't remember exactly, but very often it's your client which is cutting the messages. |
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DaveTheModder |
Ah |
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Calinou |
I see up to the “but it was lost†|
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Calinou |
you can make much longer lines than that though |
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ElectronLibre |
I can usually do 5 times the length of that message before it is cuted of. |
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DaveTheModder |
Oh, in that case, I'm pretty sure it was only cut off for me, then |
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ElectronLibre |
Hmm, strange, you're using exactly the same client I use. |
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DaveTheModder |
Wierd |
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DaveTheModder |
Just curious, are you using Linux? |
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ElectronLibre_ |
Sh*t, got disconnected. |
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ElectronLibre_ |
DaveTheModder, yes, I'm using Linux (GNU/Linux Debian Jessie). |
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DaveTheModder |
I haven't tried Debian yet, but I want to sometime. |
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DaveTheModder |
At the moment, I'm using Elementary OS. |
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ElectronLibre |
I see. I tried it, but the default interface was too heavy to me. |
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ElectronLibre |
If I remember correctly the installer is quite the same (Elementary OS is Ubuntu based, Ubuntu being Debian based). |
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DaveTheModder |
I'm still not sure if I like the interface, I'm thinking about using Debian, Gentoo, or maybe even a variant of BSD. |
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ElectronLibre |
If you want to try Gentoo, prepare yourself to do everything, and I mean everything, to install it. |
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DaveTheModder |
I tried to install Arch once, and it was too frusturating, so I just gave up and installed openSUSE. |
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DaveTheModder |
:D |
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DaveTheModder |
What interface does Debian use in the current release? |
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Hijiri |
I think you can choose desktop environment in the installer |
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ElectronLibre |
You can choose indeed. |
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ElectronLibre |
You can use GNOME, Xfce, LXDE, etc.. |
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DaveTheModder |
Which interface do you use? |
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DaveTheModder |
I usually like using something lightweight like Xfce or LXDE. |
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ElectronLibre |
I use Xfce as the desktop manager as the moment, but I also use LXDE on other computers. |
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DaveTheModder |
Nice |
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ElectronLibre |
And with Xfce I can use my favorite desktop/window theme : Xfce-dusk (black borders, black bagrounds, dark blue top bars). |
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DaveTheModder |
I never have a specific theme I like, I'm always switching from one to another :D |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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