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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: default/mapgen.lua: Register mgv6 decorations ccb4b92 http://git.io/jc2b (2015-03-27T00:29:44Z) |
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tim_flatus |
I'm still struggling to get these form tabs working :/ |
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tim_flatus |
Also what does 'prepend' mean in the context of listelements? |
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tim_flatus |
I tried prepending them with #RRGGBB and it didn't work. |
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tim_flatus |
The form itself works fine |
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tim_flatus |
It's just the minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields() to catch the tab clicks I'm having problems with |
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fuznuts |
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fuznuts_ |
anyone here spend a lot of time building actual structures in minetest that are usable on personal servers? |
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ekem |
what does that mean |
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nrzkt |
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Someone help i just finished watching season 3 episode 3 of sherlock |
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PicklesRGood |
I'm literly crying right now |
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[08:56:08] <PicklesRGood> Someone help i just finished watching season 3 episode 3 of sherlock |
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Megaf_ |
[08:56:43] <PicklesRGood> I'm literly crying right now |
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Megaf_ |
What was that? |
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Megaf_ |
Hi everyone |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Theatre Day! :-D |
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Megaf_ |
Happy day for you too :) |
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WSDguy2014 |
Hello guys, how create texture pack? |
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Calinou |
WSDguy2014, make your own .png (preferred) or .jpg images, put them into Minetest/textures/yourname |
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Calinou |
then select the pack in the options |
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WSDguy2014 |
example default_stone.png? |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
can be any size, powers of two are preferred |
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Calinou |
default is 16², you can use anything, avoid going over 256² though |
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Calinou |
(slow) |
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WSDguy2014 |
ok, im gonna try it |
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Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9428 |
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Calinou |
try this as a template |
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WSDguy2014 |
thanks Calinou |
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WSDguy2014 |
i created texture X-Ray cheat |
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Calinou |
we should probably prevent it in core |
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Calinou |
ie. make transparent pixels black on solid nodes, when provided by texture packs |
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Calinou |
although that's weak and can be removed |
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YvesLevier |
Is that true than Minetest core may be changed without consideration of mods and textures not documented in Sourceforge? |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: thats stupid |
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sfan5 |
YvesLevier: sourceforge? |
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YvesLevier |
What i understood about sourceforge.net is that all documentation about developments in open source is assembled there. Apparenty (as far i understood) is that help Ubuntu community to work along. ie. mods that dont fit textures, etc. |
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YvesLevier |
Personaly i keep my old sources in sure backups, in case of... |
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sfan5 |
sourceforge is a project hosting site |
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YvesLevier |
Im wondering about my Windows clients... |
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YvesLevier |
yes |
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sfan5 |
like google code, github or bitbucket |
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sfan5 |
it's not a central place for anything |
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srifqi |
I prefer git-based |
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YvesLevier |
work isnt more documented in Sourceforge? And why use many sites instead to assemble in only one? |
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YvesLevier |
Trying to understand. No offence. |
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Hirato_ |
because people develop their mods wherever they feel like doing it, that is all :P |
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YvesLevier |
Getting a better seen. Thx :) |
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xenkey |
Yo |
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sfan5 |
YvesLevier: centralisation is not a very good idea, especially when there is one entity doing everything |
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YvesLevier |
Hi xenkey |
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YvesLevier |
sfan5: Interesting point. Thx |
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Calinou |
it's already centralized on GitHub, YvesLevier |
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YvesLevier |
Calinou: Merci :) |
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Calinou |
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-OpenGL-Finger-Demo |
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est31 |
Calinou, now your notabug thingy shines with proper service :) |
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est31 |
not interesting enough for chinese yet? |
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Calinou |
est31, hmm, why |
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Calinou |
I don't understand what you mean about notabug |
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est31 |
http://insight-labs.org/?p=1682 |
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Calinou |
oh, yeah, I know about the GitHub DDoS |
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* Calinou |
downloads HDX 256 |
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xenkey |
Do I need any other dependencies except cmake and irrlicht headers for building a server? |
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Calinou |
xenkey, yes, Lua and LuaJIT |
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xenkey |
Calinou: What are the packages for LuaJIT, LevelDB and Redis for Debian and Arch ? |
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xenkey |
Do I need the development packages? |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
sudo apt-get install libhiredis-dev libluajit-5.1-dev libleveldb-dev |
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xenkey |
What about gettext/freetype? |
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est31 |
I guess you need gettext |
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est31 |
but freetype... no I think |
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sfan5 |
xenkey: you don't need any additionaly dependencies to build a server, luajit and leveldb is good idea however |
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neuron_ |
does someone know what happened to rnd's LAB server? |
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Calinou |
new script: https://gist.github.com/Calinou/93938dc92484bc5e89f0 |
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Calinou |
made the same one for SVN |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: I have a similar one for the purpose |
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VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/PJ3q2R3B in case you're curious |
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VanessaE |
(overkill of course) |
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VanessaE |
(probably uses git wrongly but it works :) ) |
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Sokomine |
neuron: yesterday, it was up and using diffrent textures |
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Sokomine |
doesn't anyone want to write a .we to .mts converter? |
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* Sokomine |
looks around hopefully |
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* VanessaE |
holds a mirror up to Sokomine |
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Sokomine |
VanessaE: ah :-) so you call your mods my_mods as well. and your update-script is more versatile then mine. i add mods manually to it |
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Sokomine |
hmpf! |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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Sokomine |
we don't have mirrors in minetest! you can't use that! :) |
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VanessaE |
maybe it's an opengl mirror ;) |
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* Sokomine |
stares at the mirror and wonders if it works |
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VanessaE |
> The mirror stares back at you. What'chy lookin' at, Sokomine?! |
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* Sokomine |
suspects that the mirror is a mob |
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Sokomine |
ups? my traders became invisible? did the model for the player change? |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=174109#p174109 |
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Calinou |
I know :/ |
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Calinou |
I know why it happens |
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VanessaE |
fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it :) |
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Calinou |
busy right now |
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Sokomine |
ah yes, that bug puzzled me as well. got some tiny glass slabs that where invisible |
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Sokomine |
hi twoelk |
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twoelk |
hi |
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* twoelk |
is dreaming of reflections in minetest |
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Calinou |
it is possible, we have full GLSL shaders support |
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Calinou |
just write it :) |
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twoelk |
I once followed a link that mauvebic gave me and played a demogame based on Irrlicht that indeed had mirrors. If I could only remember what game that was. |
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twoelk |
Calinou, I was wondering wether something like this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree might be usable for the minetest wikis |
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Calinou |
I can't install extensions AFAIK |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
else I'd already have installed a visual editor :D |
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Calinou |
great for editing tables |
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twoelk |
yeah, I created some tables withother tools and then readded them to the minetest wiki. pretty cumbersome to change large data amounts |
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twoelk |
http://www.tablesgenerator.com/mediawiki_tables <- for example |
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harrison |
you know, IRC was a lot cooler back in what we old-timers used to call "the day" |
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xenkey |
What packages are required for building on Debian? |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
https://gist.github.com/Calinou/ |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
oops |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev libjsoncpp-dev |
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xenkey |
Sorry I meant headless |
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xenkey |
Server only |
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Calinou |
try compiling, and see what's missing. |
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Calinou |
then install packages as needed |
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Calinou |
use -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 of course |
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Warr1024 |
Whatever happened to RealBadAngel? |
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VanessaE |
disappeared |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
too busy with work and life, apparently |
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Warr1024 |
aw |
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Warr1024 |
I just read about FXAA |
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Warr1024 |
and it looks pretty awesome |
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Warr1024 |
and apparently it's supposed to be implemented as a shader post-processing between the 3D draw and HUD parts of the pipeline |
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Warr1024 |
which sounds like something that might be feasible for MT, if the algos are public anywhere. |
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Warr1024 |
sounded like something RBA would have been interested in :-) |
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Calinou |
there are tons of public algos |
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Calinou |
Tesseract (and its fork OctaForge) implement it using shaders |
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Warr1024 |
oh, so it might even be something that could be merged from downstream? that'd be pretty awesome... |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
they are not forks of Minetest |
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Calinou |
they are separate games |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
http://tesseract.gg/ |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
http://octaforge.org |
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Warr1024 |
oh, you said "its fork" and I misread it as "his fork" |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Clean up and tweak build system 93fcab9 http://git.io/j40W (2015-03-27T15:00:48-04:00) |
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Cidraque |
hi :) |
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Cidraque |
VanessaE: :) |
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Cidraque |
there are a "respawn" command? |
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VanessaE |
on some servers you can do /spawn |
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Cidraque |
I'm trapped in a bug or something |
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Cidraque |
:( |
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Cidraque |
walls are light grey and can't move |
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VanessaE |
sign out and sign back in |
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Calinou |
disconnect and reconnect |
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Cidraque |
and when I try /spawn says "issued command" |
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Cidraque |
Calinou: no effect :( |
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Cidraque |
It's the VanessaE creative (I think) server |
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VanessaE |
Cidraque: keep trying. |
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VanessaE |
it's a bug in the engine. |
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Cidraque |
VanessaE: OMG,ok I wanna erase and reinstall |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
no |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC compile error 3d53c90 http://git.io/j4Vf (2015-03-27T15:16:41-04:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Document nil player as being allowed for can_dig e680d49 http://git.io/j4VJ (2015-03-27T15:11:28-04:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix typo in OpenGL ES 2 CMake file 393722a http://git.io/j4VU (2015-03-27T15:10:27-04:00) |
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VanessaE |
it's a bug on my end. |
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VanessaE |
I mean, in the server software. |
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Cidraque |
ok, I take a look |
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Cidraque |
I can't understand it xD |
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Cidraque |
I'm so sorry |
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Cidraque |
What can I do? |
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Sokomine |
what can't you understand? |
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Cidraque |
Sokomine: nothing |
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Cidraque |
yes, shame on me, I'm a windows guy |
| 19:25 |
Cidraque |
I see the error it's on opengl so I changed the render to direct3d and I thing the issue it's resolved |
| 19:25 |
Calinou |
you should never use Direct3D for Minetest |
| 19:26 |
Calinou |
it's completely unsupported |
| 19:26 |
Calinou |
try updating your drivers instead |
| 19:26 |
Cidraque |
I used opengl |
| 19:26 |
Cidraque |
opengl give me this error |
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Cidraque |
gave* |
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Cidraque |
sorry I know a very little of english |
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Cidraque |
finally I go out of the cave :D |
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Cidraque |
oh my gosh |
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Sokomine |
indeed :-) shame on you :) |
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* Sokomine |
throws an usb stick with linux on it to cidraque as a means of rescue |
| 19:30 |
Cidraque |
very funny :| |
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Krock |
<Cidraque>opengl give me this error |
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Krock |
which error? |
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Cidraque |
trapped in a cabe, with light gray walls |
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Cidraque |
cave* |
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Cidraque |
it's a bug in the server of VanessaE she said |
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Cidraque |
it's ok |
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Cidraque |
thanks |
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barrydk |
Hi everyone. Can someone please give me interact privs on Vanessa's survival server user name is barry. Thanks |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
barrydk: done. |
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barrydk |
Thanks, by the way thanks for your great work VanessaE |
| 19:51 |
hmmmm |
nzrkt: so this was my situation |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
barrydk: yw :) |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
i have this hard drive with ZFS v28, which is the only vdev in the pool. freebsd 9.1 is installed on here |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
i got a new hard drive that I installed fedora 21 with ext4 on |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
and the plan was to mount this ZFS-formatted disk while booted in linux and copy over my configuration files |
| 19:52 |
hmmmm |
I don't know if this is a zfs problem or a ZFSonLinux problem but |
| 19:53 |
nrzkt |
ZoL is not ready for production yet as i tested |
| 19:53 |
hmmmm |
i mounted it with zpool import -f -o readonly=on zpool |
| 19:53 |
hmmmm |
it mounts, but all the files have no permissions and are owned by root:root !! |
| 19:54 |
hmmmm |
so I go to copy it anyway, fix the permissions, fix the ownership, fix any absolute paths that might have /usr/home instead of /home |
| 19:54 |
nrzkt |
oO this is a problem on ZoL, it's sure, the FS layer didn't know about the UID on ZFS |
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hmmmm |
and like 1/2 of the applications were either broken or didn't recognize my previous config files |
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hmmmm |
oh there's a UUID too? :/ |
| 19:54 |
hmmmm |
great |
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exio4 |
user ID? |
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hmmmm |
oh sorry |
| 19:54 |
hmmmm |
UID |
| 19:54 |
nrzkt |
the user id :) |
| 19:54 |
hmmmm |
yeah the UIDs aren't the same |
| 19:55 |
hmmmm |
on linux my uid is 1000, on here it's 1001 |
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hmmmm |
don't know if that caused the problem |
| 19:55 |
nrzkt |
ZoL didn't read it properly. And after when you reboot on FreeBSD the UID aren't altered ? |
| 19:55 |
hmmmm |
of course not, that's because I imported it as readonly |
| 19:55 |
nrzkt |
right |
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hmmmm |
didn't want to screw anything up |
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nrzkt |
you use ZoL with fuse ? |
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hmmmm |
hrmm I don't knoqw |
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hmmmm |
didn't remmeber seeing any fusefs-related text when installing it |
| 19:56 |
hmmmm |
I got like 100 MB/s transfers though, if it were fuse then it'd be a lot slower, wouldn't it? |
| 19:57 |
nrzkt |
the only thing possible is that ZoL didn't know how to read UID on zfs datasets and then map it to root, like it does when you mount NTFS partitions |
| 19:57 |
hmmmm |
well I imported it as the root user |
| 19:57 |
nrzkt |
right, it's a bit slower because of the abstraction layer |
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hmmmm |
so |
| 19:58 |
hmmmm |
nothing really was working right on linux |
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nrzkt |
maybe it could work better if you migrate to FreeBSD 9.3 and migrate your zpool and zfs datasets to get features enabled, but it's a pure supposition |
| 19:58 |
hmmmm |
i'm not sure exactly what caused it, but after installing a bunch of things I couldn't log in through gdm anymore |
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nrzkt |
Fedora is not a good distro for hackers, use Archlinux instead :) |
| 19:59 |
hmmmm |
and then i realized that linux isn't all that great |
| 19:59 |
hmmmm |
you've got systemd nonsense, gnome-shell, etc. |
| 19:59 |
exio4 |
I wouldn't recommend archlinux if he is looking for something that is somewhat stable |
| 19:59 |
hmmmm |
linux won't really bring me many advantages either |
| 19:59 |
exio4 |
hmmmm: systemd nonsense? but it rocks! it does everything! |
| 19:59 |
nrzkt |
FreeBSD problem is the graphical layer, which is not ready for gaming, like Steam on Linux, it's the only reason why i'm archlinux |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
systemd is great, there are other DEs than GNOME |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, you don't need Steam to play games |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
I don't use Steam |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
and I'm a gamer |
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hmmmm |
systemd is horrible |
| 20:00 |
exio4 |
"systemd is great" |
| 20:00 |
exio4 |
nice joke Calinou |
| 20:00 |
exio4 |
tell us another one |
| 20:00 |
hmmmm |
it's a huge security concern |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
it boots very fast |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
which is what it was made for |
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nrzkt |
i use windows for real gaming experience, i hope in 3-4 years this will change Calinou. And i'm not playing only minetest or supertux kart, i talk about some good games like Civilization :p |
| 20:00 |
exio4 |
that argument feels like "mongodb is web scale" |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
so you're developing a bad game? |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
exio4, Lichess uses MongoDB :P |
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exio4 |
!g mongodb is webscale |
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MinetestBot |
exio4: http://www.mongodb-is-web-scale.com/ |
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exio4 |
Calinou: ^ |
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nrzkt |
systemd is great in my point of view, because Linux ecosystem needs to be chained to one good init system, not many init systems with many apis |
| 20:01 |
hmmmm |
yeah but systemd is forcing gnome as a dependency for everything |
| 20:01 |
hmmmm |
so linux as a whole will be chained to red hat |
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est31 |
so you want to only have the choice between glibc and glibc? |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
software monocultures are never a good thing |
| 20:02 |
Calinou |
we're having Git near-monopoly right now |
| 20:02 |
Calinou |
it probably won't end well |
| 20:02 |
nrzkt |
i want to have choice between FreeBSD or Linux, but not 50 Linuxes it's a pain for everybody. |
| 20:02 |
est31 |
git is a simple tool like less or more. |
| 20:02 |
hmmmm |
I was planning on swapping out systemd for runit |
| 20:02 |
nrzkt |
subversion has ended, without offline commits it's useless |
| 20:03 |
nrzkt |
openrc ? |
| 20:03 |
hmmmm |
yeah, it's like that |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
there should be several distributions, always |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
there are several BSDs here too |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
est31, there's Mercurial as competitor |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
barely used |
| 20:03 |
nrzkt |
Debian, Redhat, Gentoo, Suse and Archlinux. Others distros must disappear :p |
| 20:03 |
exio4 |
ehm, no? systemd is great at rewriting software that works, replacing it with broken-in-any-nontrivial-environment, and it is also controversial in the sense that we now have either those broken "amazing things" from systemd or "things that work" that you can't use easily because you have to use the systemd version |
| 20:03 |
exio4 |
nrzkt: I don't think so |
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Calinou |
nrzkt, Fedora and Ubuntu won't disappear anytime soon. |
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exio4 |
nrzkt: there are distros out there that try to be, not "general purpose", but for specific use caes |
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hmmmm |
i assume red hat includes fedora in his list |
| 20:04 |
hmmmm |
hrmm |
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VanessaE |
nrzkt: no love for good old Slackware? |
| 20:04 |
hmmmm |
slackware is a systemd holdout |
| 20:04 |
exio4 |
Slackware isn't hipster, it is not using systemd |
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nrzkt |
in fact exio4, trivial... no, hacky, yes. I think the systemd init system is good because it's a common API instead of shell. But the best inits (except for boot times) are BSD's because they use a good API to write minimal shells (better than LSB) |
| 20:04 |
est31 |
Calinou, I know there are many competitors, like eg bazaar, but currently I like that its distributed VCS, dont need more. Also, git is a very simple tool, not as complex as a whole init system. |
| 20:05 |
VanessaE |
neither is Gentoo, last I heard? |
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nrzkt |
VanessaE: okay for Slackware :p |
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exio4 |
VanessaE: shush, I need a reason to be ironic |
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nrzkt |
then hmmmm: for your ZFS problem: destroy your linux, :p |
| 20:06 |
exio4 |
the problem is that systemd's "init system" is like 5% of it |
| 20:06 |
hmmmm |
still haven't decided how I'm going to do this |
| 20:06 |
hmmmm |
either install it all on a new hard drive or do a reinstall in-place here |
| 20:08 |
nrzkt |
why not using an ext2 partition for your shared datas ? |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
ext2?! |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
in 2015? |
| 20:08 |
nrzkt |
freebsd uses ext2 layer |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
may as well use FAT32 at that point. |
| 20:09 |
nrzkt |
if you want to use ext on FreeBSD |
| 20:09 |
nrzkt |
FAT32 doesn't support rights :p |
| 20:09 |
hmmmm |
i'm going to keep ZFS i think |
| 20:09 |
nrzkt |
of you can use UFS2 and mount it on Linux |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
i'm not using linux anymore |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
it was a mistake |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
at the time it just seemed like it was so much more stable and modern than freebsd but it's not true |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
nothing "just works" |
| 20:11 |
nrzkt |
or you can use Linux in BHyve |
| 20:11 |
nrzkt |
my Android instance for Jenkins is a Debian on BHyVe |
| 20:12 |
nrzkt |
it's not as friendly as a KVM + Libvirt but it works :p |
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exio4 |
the biggest reason (for me) for using fbsd is zfs |
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nrzkt |
if you only know about FreeBSD for ZFS it's a mistake, because you could use openindiana :p |
| 20:13 |
nrzkt |
FreeBSD is more than ZFS :p |
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exio4 |
I know |
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exio4 |
I said biggest, not only nrzkt |
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hmmmm |
the hardware support is starting to get pretty bad |
| 20:14 |
hmmmm |
like consider this situation: |
| 20:14 |
nrzkt |
the biggest reason for using FreeBSD: the community and the developers. FreeBSD isn't an enterprise and not managed by enterprises, they can do what they want, and they do it well |
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hmmmm |
nv is a placeholder driver for nvidia that's not supported any more |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
but nvidia dropped support for any cards below fermi |
| 20:15 |
hmmmm |
so now it's like |
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hmmmm |
there's no option |
| 20:16 |
hmmmm |
you either run an outdated version of the nvidia proprietary driver or nothing at all |
| 20:16 |
est31 |
I'm using a community-led desktop environment on top of the most popular unix non-mac desktop distro, which ensures hundreds of users had my issue before I have it, so they are filtered. |
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exio4 |
hmmmm: there is a reason I am still using linux |
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hmmmm |
not even vesa works |
| 20:16 |
hmmmm |
yeah that's a good reason |
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est31 |
or at least workarounds available |
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nrzkt |
hmmmm: AMD changes their mind and now opensource their development, it's well supported on FreeBSD |
| 20:17 |
hmmmm |
yeah i mentioned that some time ago |
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hmmmm |
"gosh it seems like AMD is better supported than nvidia these days" |
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hmmmm |
i think my next card might be an AMD |
| 20:18 |
hmmmm |
they have real support for >2 monitors |
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exio4 |
I still need money for the HDDs :( |
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nrzkt |
yeah :) my 7970 supports 6 monitors |
| 20:19 |
hmmmm |
this gtx660 supports up to 4 in theory |
| 20:19 |
exio4 |
I won't be able to have my dream setup til I spend 400~ USD |
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VanessaE |
my R9 280X does well on the two I have, though X is not known for its stability |
| 20:20 |
hmmmm |
but if you plug more than 2 in, the gpu clock speeds rise and it sucks up 50% more memory |
| 20:20 |
hmmmm |
errm |
| 20:20 |
hmmmm |
electricity |
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exio4 |
can't you force it to downclock? |
| 20:20 |
hmmmm |
nope |
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exio4 |
err |
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exio4 |
that doesn't sound that nice |
| 20:21 |
hmmmm |
I think you're able to if you add some settings to xorg.conf, but reportedly what happens is you get insane tearing on one of your three monitors |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
so that's why I went with the workaround of having two monitors on the gtx660 and one on an 8400gs |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
but as of nvidia 340.00, they dropped support for that |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
and you can't have two versions of the nvidia driver loaded at once |
| 20:22 |
hmmmm |
so the next idea is to have nv loaded |
| 20:23 |
hmmmm |
can't use it, there's some sort of crazy error i can't find any help with |
| 20:23 |
hmmmm |
i ask about it in ##freebsd and they say, "why don't you just use the proprietary driver?" |
| 20:23 |
hmmmm |
vesa gives some kind of bullshit error too |
| 20:24 |
hmmmm |
i specifically bought the GTX660 because it was the first of the Kepler series, and kepler was supposed to support more than 2 monitors |
| 20:24 |
hmmmm |
before that I ran the 8400gs for two of the displays, and then i had an ati rage XL for the IRC display |
| 20:25 |
hmmmm |
everything is a workaround for a workaround for a workaround |
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Calinou |
nv is unmaintained? |
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Calinou |
no one seriously uses nv in 2015 :P |
| 20:27 |
Calinou |
nouveau is ten times better |
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exio4 |
fbsd Calinou |
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exio4 |
inb4 "bsd user problems" |
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exio4 |
the sad part in my setup is that I can only have six [HS]DDs in my case |
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Calinou |
I can have 8 here, but what's the point… |
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Calinou |
http://opengameart.org/content/496-pixel-art-icons-for-medievalfantasy-rpg |
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Calinou |
might be of use to modders |
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to_string is not a member of std? |
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* JeDa |
saluda! |
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YvesLevier |
Plz. Is there a way to get rid of a cart? I tried all. Even on Lava, it stays over. |
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YvesLevier |
of course i tried right click in order to get it back in my inventory but.... it get in |
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est31 |
shift click? |
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est31 |
I dunno too |
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est31 |
carts are weird stuff |
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est31 |
stupid laggy vehicles. lets hope kwolekr does the RPC stuff |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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exio4 |
!tell calinou redundancy, one (or half) of your disks could die tomorrow and now what, good luck with that (also, 8 is the 'limit' of my mobo, but I am only counting what would be for data) |
| 22:57 |
MinetestBot |
exio4: I'll pass that on when calinou is around |
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sofar |
I just had to switch to nouveau as my 9800GT hangs entirely with the 340.x driver series |
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exio4 |
nouveau is pretty suck performance wise :( |
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exio4 |
sucky * |
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sofar |
I'm so fedup with closed source drivers |
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sofar |
my next system will be Intel GFX (DISCLAIMER: I WORK FOR INTEL) for sure |
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sofar |
exio4: all those nights attempting to fix my binary driver after a kernel upgrade... NOT worth my time |
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exio4 |
you work for intel? |
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exio4 |
I don't like you anymore! |
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* exio4 |
is an amd fanboy :P |
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sofar |
congratulations, you're unique and there's not many of you |
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sofar |
exio4: I do open source for Intel exclusively, the folks who make the hardware don't really listen to me :) |
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exio4 |
I know :P |
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Jordach |
i like AMD's GPUs |
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Jordach |
and yet the R9 290x still outclasses the 980 by far |
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exio4 |
Jordach: I like AMD GPUs because they don't suck while using opensource drivers |
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paxcoder |
hey. so did anyone make a fractal-based land"gen" yet? |
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twoelk |
ask proller :P |
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paxcoder |
twoelk, he doesn't appear to be here. What can you tell me about it? |
| 23:42 |
twoelk |
there used to be a math mapgen. He used that for the servers "road" and "4circles" iirc |
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neuron_ |
yay rnd is back online *_* |
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paxcoder |
twoelk, did it work ok? Was the database size measured in kilobytes? |
| 23:44 |
twoelk |
proller works on the freeminer fork. I don't know wether freeminer still uses some math mapgen |
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twoelk |
uhm, I climbed the 4circles map to a hight of 800m or more and travelled several km on the road map |
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paxcoder |
twoelk, aaand? |
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twoelk |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8951 <- four circles with overview map |
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paxcoder |
will check, thanks |
| 23:48 |
paxcoder |
Is the author of the uranium technic feature on any of the PVP servers? I'd like to kill him repeatedly until I've generated enough for a reactor (so for a few months). |
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paxcoder |
twoelk, wait, what's the point of that link? |
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twoelk |
might have missunderstood. this was the mapgen I was reffering to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7256 |
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twoelk |
the 4circles map was highly 3 dimensional. that overview map only shows the lowest ring near the surface |
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paxcoder |
:/ |
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paramat |
proller's fractal mapgens have been developed further in freeminer |
