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04:24	fuznuts	is there a way to download free open source minetest/minecraft structures (houses, castles, bridges...etc) to just automatically place in my server?
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04:48	Karlton	fuznuts: there might be a mod that does something similar
04:49	Karlton	https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11
04:52	Karlton	I seem to recall there being a mod that adds small towns and another for roads/bridges
04:52	Karlton	to automatically place them at map gen
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04:56	Nick____	Hey how do I run this game? Sorry newbie..
04:56	Nick____	i cant find any documentation on it.
05:01	Karlton	do you already install it?
05:01	Karlton	did*
05:02	Nick____	See I dont think it was supposed to be DLd as a ZIP?
05:03	Karlton	the source could be in a zip if you got it from github
05:04	Karlton	what OS are you using?
05:04	Nick____	Windows
05:05	Karlton	you shouldn't the source then, there should already be a window build
05:05	Karlton	http://www.minetest.net/download
05:06	Karlton	oh nvm, they come in a zip file also
05:06	Nick____	Yup.
05:08	Karlton	okay, so you just to have to manually install it
05:08	Karlton	or you can run the game inside the folder
05:09	Karlton	if you unzip the file you can just run /bin/minetest.exe
05:12	Karlton	and by manually install I mean just placing the minetest-0.4.12 folder anywhere on your computer and creating a shorcut for minetest.exe
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05:15	Nick____	I figured it out, thanks!
05:16	Karlton	np :)
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09:29	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Forgive Mom & Dad Day! :-D
09:29	nrzkt	what is this event ?
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09:37	SylvieLorxu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhY9Zxv1-oo
09:39	JamesTait	nrzkt, just another "fun" celebration. Every day is cause for celebration in one way or another.
09:47	SylvieLorxu	Every day is much more a cause for sadness, honestly, our world as crappy as the day before it
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10:02	VanessaE	nrzkt: JamesTait is a fixture here :)
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10:02	VanessaE	every day is "Happy $something day" :)
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10:02	JamesTait	Your friendly local nonsense-celebration bot. :-P
10:02	VanessaE	hahaha
10:03	JamesTait	How're you, VanessaE?
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10:04	nrzkt	okay :)
10:04	VanessaE	Oh I'm fine, just a little groggy
10:04	VanessaE	didn't sleep as much as I wanted to
10:05	VanessaE	this is about 6 hours earlier than I'd usually wake up :P
10:05	JamesTait	VanessaE, your relationship with sleep seems about as complicated as mine. :-P
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10:11	VanessaE	yeah
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14:52	STHGOM	is gabo our texture gut, or was it firefox?
14:52	STHGOM	guy*
14:53	STHGOM	aoops
14:53	Jordach	neither of them are
14:53	STHGOM	wrong channel sry
14:53	STHGOM	:P
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16:10	coagen	yo
16:12	coagen	so if I want to modify a default value, eg mob damage=4 with a flag, eg hard_mode=true, how do I make sure the game takes my new value instead of the default one?
16:12	coagen	is that even possible?
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16:17	Sokomine	coagen: that's usually possible. how it can be changed depends on the mod. almost all of them come with a discussion thread in the minetest forum where they're also documented
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16:19	coagen	Sokomine: do you know of any examples of this that I could stare at?
16:20	Sokomine	which mod do you wish to configure?
16:20	Sokomine	they're all lua code, so you can do modifications more or less easily anyway :-)
16:21	coagen	Sokomine: currently working with the lott guys, trying to decide if my modifications need to be their own thing at this point, or if I can set them up in such a way as to have them not interfere with default values unless you set my "hard_mode=true" via the console or something...
16:21	coagen	but the changes I want to make could apply to any mod
16:21	coagen	that has mobs
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16:23	Sokomine	if you want the changes to apply to all mods that have mobs, then those mods will have to be prepared for it
16:23	coagen	Sokomine: ok, that makes sense, so lets start with one mod then, lott
16:24	coagen	I want to change https://github.com/minetest-LOTT/Lord-of-the-Test/blob/master/mods/lottmobs/init.lua#L23
16:24	Sokomine	you can set config values in minetest.conf or save them per world (probably the best solution?). i don't know offhand how setting a variable per world is done. but it doesn't help you if the mod doesn't know about that var
16:24	coagen	damage=4 to damage=8 without modifying the current code
16:24	coagen	per world is what I had in mind
16:25	Sokomine	send a pull request to the lott people to make it configurable
16:25	coagen	hmmm
16:25	coagen	how would they do that?
16:25	Sokomine	i've only played that particular mod collection/game once and without interact (on oldcoders server set up for that)
16:25	Sokomine	are you familiar with git?
16:26	coagen	how would the set it up in such a way as to have it stored in a variable, and then overided if hard_mode=true?
16:26	Sokomine	but before you do it, think about the other mobs. are they all supposed to have the same damage? perhaps what you want is a scaling factor
16:27	coagen	yeah, I was going to get clone it and start messing with it in a bit, just trying to get a handle on why I want to acomplish
16:27	coagen	and if I'm going about it the right way...
16:27	coagen	*git clone
16:27	Sokomine	nod
16:28	Sokomine	the damage=4 would have to be set to i.e. damage=MOB_DAMAGE_4
16:29	Sokomine	and then you can have a piece of code that sets MOB_DAMAGE_4 to 8 if it's your hardcore version. but that ought to apply to as many mob mods as possible
16:29	Sokomine	so it's best to talk to other mob mod developers and not only change it for one game. unless you really only want to change the lott mobs
16:29	coagen	currently lott will be the playground for my ideas
16:31	Sokomine	ok. then you ought to talk to the lott guys. but even lott has more mobs. i don't know if they all have the same damage
16:31	coagen	and in the MOB_DAMAGE_4 variable definition it will be something like, if hard_mode=false, 4 and if hard_mode=true then 8
16:32	coagen	in otherwords, it would have to be included in the main lott code
16:32	coagen	there is no way to have a file/setting that would override default variables easily?
16:33	coagen	Sokomine: also I'm talking to the lott guys, they told me to come here :P
16:34	coagen	Sokomine: I will be afk for a bit, thanks for all your answers
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16:54	Sokomine	yes, something like if( hard_mode ) then LOTT_MOB_DAMAGE = 8 else LOTT_MOB_DAMAGE = 4 end
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17:01	WSDguy2014	Hello guys, i have problem at seen glitch held item. check on link: forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11384 P.S. Copy and Paste link
17:02	WSDguy2014	Please, read more
17:03	STHGOM	do you have bumpmaps or normal maps on?
17:03	STHGOM	it might be that
17:04	STHGOM	nvm it dosnt look like its on
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17:09	STHGOM	btw sokomine: if you want interact on OC lott server, i can give
17:11	WSDguy2014	I have "OpenGL 3.1.0", and i have gliched held item on 2D item
17:11	WSDguy2014	still not fixed on 0.4.12
17:11	STHGOM	not building blocks?
17:11	WSDguy2014	not building blocks
17:12	WSDguy2014	link: forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10862
17:14	STHGOM	i think its outta my skill level :P
17:15	Sokomine	sthgom: yes, that would be nice. i may log in shortly, but i don't have much time right now
17:17	WSDguy2014	you will be fix this glitch?
17:19	STHGOM	i dont thik ill be able to
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17:30	paxcoder	Can I just stick 5 x 0.7% uranium powder into a MV centrifuge and expect 1 x 3.5% uranium to appear on the other side?
17:31	stormchaser3000	i don't know
17:31	stormchaser3000	i havn't used a centrifuge yet
17:31	paxcoder	Because so far, I've been consistently getting 0.6% and 0.8%, instead of 0.0% and 3.5%
17:31	est31	paxcoder, no
17:31	paxcoder	est31, explain
17:31	est31	paxcoder, you will need a whole chain of centrifuges
17:32	est31	first one that does 0.8 then one that does 0.9 and so on
17:32	paxcoder	But the manual says "Producing one unit of 3.5%-fissile uranium requires the input of five units of 0.7%-fissile (natural) uranium, and produces four units of 0.0%-fissile (fully depleted) uranium as a byproduct."
17:32	paxcoder	It would take way more than 5 if that was the way to do it.
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17:33	paxcoder	So something's amiss here methinks.
17:33	paxcoder	VanessaE?
17:33	est31	this is also in the manual: A single pass through a centrifuge produces two output streams, one with a fractionally higher fissile proportion than the input, and one with a fractionally lower fissile proportion. To alter the fissile proportion by a significant amount, these output streams must be centrifuged again, repeatedly. The usual arrangement is a "cascade", a linear arrangement of many centrifuges
17:33	stormchaser3000	um
17:34	est31	" Natural uranium is input somewhere in the middle of the cascade, and the two ends of the cascade produce properly enriched and depleted uranium."
17:34	est31	so anything well
17:34	est31	building a cascade is hard I agree
17:34	est31	but why should it be easy :)
17:34	paxcoder	So what you're saying is that my mathematical intuition sucks?
17:34	est31	its achallenge
17:34	est31	what is 35/7
17:35	stormchaser3000	how would i be able to make a score hud thing? i might want to change my pvp survival server into a grief wars server (a place for griefers to go lol and for anyone who wants to blow off some steam.)
17:35	stormchaser3000	lol i should look at the api.txt thing
17:35	paxcoder	est31, why 35/7? And please don't just say "because i'ts 0.7% and 0.35%"?
17:37	est31	so, you know that each centrifuge just passes the uranium around, for example two 0.7 into one 0.6 and one 0.8.
17:37	paxcoder	yes
17:37	est31	now, the output of the chain is 0.0
17:37	paxcoder	Output? You mean like the dead end? Yeah
17:38	est31	and the other output is 0.35
17:38	paxcoder	Ok
17:38	est31	have you understood?
17:39	est31	ofc its more complicated
17:39	paxcoder	Was this supposed to explain why 5? If so, no.
17:39	est31	yes
17:39	est31	you cant build a full chain off 5 0.7 units though
17:39	est31	but thats another issue
17:40	paxcoder	0.7 units?
17:40	est31	0.7% enriched uranium
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17:43	paxcoder	Basically, taking into account only the enriched side, you need 35-7 = 28 passes through a centrifuge to get from 0.7 to 0.35. Each pass the quantity reduces by a half. This means it's 2^28 or 268435456 0.7%s to make 1 0.35%, without taking into account any of the depleted products.
17:43	Krock	meow
17:43	paxcoder	I don't see how taking into the account the depleted products could bring this down to 5.
17:44	est31	paxcoder, yes but you can feed the partially depleted outputs back into the chain
17:44	est31	and because of your calculation, I strongly recommend that :)
17:45	paxcoder	Can this be automatized?
17:45	est31	yes
17:45	paxcoder	Because taking into account depleted things, I'd be shuffling this crap for like a month.
17:45	est31	can you join vanessaE's survival server?
17:45	paxcoder	ok.
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17:48	paxcoder	est31, sorry, i timed out, and didn't see if you posted anything after my question
17:48	est31	est31> can you join vanessaE's survival server?
17:48	paxcoder	est31, address?
17:49	est31	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7017
17:49	est31	address there
17:50	paxcoder	no, it runs the dev version
17:50	paxcoder	protocol 24, i have 23 apparently
17:50	VanessaE	er, my servers only need 0.4.12 or newer unless someone fucked with the protocol version again
17:50	paxcoder	it says it runs 0.4.12-dev
17:50	VanessaE	also hi :)
17:51	paxcoder	I've got 0.4.10-dev
17:51	paxcoder	*no dev
17:51	VanessaE	0.4.10 is outdated.
17:51	paxcoder	hey
17:51	paxcoder	jolly good
17:51	paxcoder	i have no problem with other servers thoguh
17:52	VanessaE	three of mine are strict-protocol-restricted because they use newer features.
17:52	paxcoder	yep, says strict
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17:52	paxcoder	est31, anyway, can you just tell me how to link them up then?
17:53	paxcoder	is that what the injector-filter thingy's for?
17:54	paxcoder	ideally i'd really only hook up one to itself and a crate
17:54	est31	no thats not possible
17:54	est31	you will need a whole chain
17:54	est31	if you dont want to log in, I cant help you, sorry :)
17:54	paxcoder	how come?
17:54	paxcoder	it's not that i don't want to, it's that i can't
17:55	est31	why that
17:55	paxcoder	we discussed it above
17:55	VanessaE	upgrade your client, come on
17:55	paxcoder	no
17:55	VanessaE	why not?
17:55	paxcoder	i'm tired of doing that
17:56	paxcoder	no other server requires the newest protocol
17:56	VanessaE	won't be long before 0.4.10 won't work on any servers
17:56	paxcoder	*that i visit
17:56	paxcoder	then i'll update
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17:57	paxcoder	i'll try to see how to do it from the technic manual
17:57	paxcoder	it's mentioning tubes so that's probably it
17:57	est31	you will require pipeworks too
17:57	VanessaE	0.4.10 can't even display mesh nodes
17:57	est31	sorttubes
17:58	VanessaE	and you won't be able to use some of pipeworks without that
17:58	est31	on what OS are you paxcoder?
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18:01	paxcoder	est31, Debian here
18:01	paxcoder	VanessaE, there are tubes on my srv
18:02	VanessaE	paxcoder: I know.
18:02	VanessaE	and it won'
18:02	VanessaE	and it won't be long before I turn those into mesh nodes.
18:02	VanessaE	pipes already are.
18:02	VanessaE	try placing one, you'll get a weird-looking cube, if your pipeworks is current.
18:02	Jordach	shots fired
18:03	VanessaE	same for any of technic's CNC mill shapes
18:03	Jordach	we should have already phased out the 0.4.10 builds long ago with a new type of protocol
18:03	VanessaE	all will look like cubes on that old minetest build, if your technic install is current
18:03	paxcoder	and when they stop working i'll update
18:04	paxcoder	i mean on "my" server
18:04	VanessaE	(note to self: make pipeworks require 0.4.12 or newer :P)
18:05	paxcoder	bully
18:05	VanessaE	luddite :)
18:06	paxcoder	i'm not, i'd update, i'm just not a dev so i don't care to compile every week
18:06	est31	0.4.10 is not a week old
18:06	VanessaE	every week? 0.4.10 was released like, a year ago
18:06	paxcoder	riight
18:06	est31	so that would make 50 weeks
18:06	VanessaE	well some months anyway
18:06	paxcoder	less than 2 some months?
18:06	VanessaE	seriously, it's been a good half a year since that came out
18:07	paxcoder	like i've said, i had no problems
18:07	paxcoder	i'm not going to compile just to see someone assemble the chain, sorry
18:08	VanessaE	Minetest 0.4.10
18:08	VanessaE	ï¿¼ sfan5 released this on Jul 6, 2014 Â· 731 commits to master since this release
18:08	paxcoder	heck, by the time you force this mesh thing upon us, debian might have a compatible version in the repos
18:08	VanessaE	0.4.11 was released in December
18:08	VanessaE	0.4.12 a month ago
18:08	paxcoder	maybe i won't need to compile at all
18:09	* VanessaE	shrugs
18:10	VanessaE	you don't have to compile anyway
18:10	VanessaE	there's a daily builds repository you can use, meant for ubuntu but should work on debian too
18:11	est31	there is one with releases too
18:11	VanessaE	yep
18:11	est31	but that is a bit out of date
18:11	est31	there are just no packagers :(
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18:12	rubenwardy	Can't login to the forum. :( I'll delete the cache
18:12	Calinou	there's 0.4.12 in sid
18:12	Calinou	I requested it :)
18:12	paxcoder	i guess i could install that
18:14	paxcoder	Calinou, it says 0.4.11+repack-1 0 in experimental
18:14	* paxcoder	apt-get updates just in case
18:14	rubenwardy	Works now XD
18:15	paxcoder	Calinou, yeah, 0.4.12
18:15	paxcoder	installed
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18:16	paxcoder	VanessaE, someone's got my nickname
18:16	paxcoder	It's not paxcoder
18:17	VanessaE	so login as paxcoder :P
18:17	paxcoder	still says wrong password :/
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18:17	VanessaE	see /msg
18:17	VanessaE	I just reset the password for that one.
18:20	paxcoder	i'm on the server
18:20	paxcoder	alone
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18:21	paxcoder	I get 5mg per day as long as i do things? What kind of drug racket is this?
18:21	VanessaE	haha
18:22	VanessaE	minegeld you dork :)
18:22	est	inflation
18:22	Jordach	cobble best money
18:22	Jordach	all of it has been mined by a pickaxe at some point
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18:23	fuznuts	anyone here a big minecraft modder or builder who would like to be tipped in virtual currency?
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18:24	* paxcoder	typed /mods and now he can't see anything
18:24	est	hehe /tphring paxcoder out of spawn now he can run around without interact :P
18:24	est	t t t t t t
18:24	Calinou	Jordach, TNT
18:24	Jordach	Calinou, not all servers use it
18:24	Calinou	fuznuts, this is Minetest :p
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18:31	* VanessaE	wonders what currency fuznuts is using :P
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18:36	Jordach	dogecoin
18:37	paxcoder	hi Calinou
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18:52	paxcoder	thanks, bye
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19:11	VanessaE	wat
19:11	VanessaE	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/03/18/1217244/not-quite-dead-sco-linux-suit-against-ibm-stirs-in-utah
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19:11	Marandlal	<
19:15	Krock	<>
19:15	fuznuts	I meant minetest :P
19:17	rubenwardy	How about you PM Jeija, or the maker of a mod you like, and ask if they'd like donations/tipping?
19:18	* Calinou	doesn't
19:18	VanessaE	I take tips in any currency I can trade :)
19:18	* Calinou	trades maptools:copper_coin with VanessaE, though
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19:25	* Jordach	tips Calinou's fedora
19:30	* Jordach	is working on porting BFD's nodes to minetestmapper
19:30	VanessaE	"working on"?
19:30	VanessaE	I thought that dumper script was basically instant?
19:31	Jordach	VanessaE, >bash >win64
19:32	VanessaE	ew.
19:32	Jordach	i'm about halfway through
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19:57	Jordach	and wtf is going on with the forums
19:58	Krock	hmm?
19:59	Jordach	login logout
20:00	Krock	yes, FF has problems with the cookies
20:00	Krock	but netscape works.. somehow
20:00	Calinou	same issue here
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20:05	VanessaE	same in chromium also
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20:08	Krock	Yeah, I tested Firefox 36, Chromium 39 and Netscape 9. Seems like the last one has a bug with expired cookies because it works without problems 0.0
20:09	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/maptools
20:09	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/moreblocks
20:09	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/moreores
20:10	VanessaE	ah, you moved them finally
20:11	VanessaE	dammit, I gotta update my repos again :)
20:13	est	Calinou had to
20:13	VanessaE	I know.
20:13	est	because gitlab is closing
20:14	VanessaE	you mean gitorious is.
20:14	est	ah yes
20:14	VanessaE	interesting, those URLs are both browseable and cloneable.
20:14	est	whatever
20:14	Calinou	they're on Notabug, which is a free/libre platform based on Gogs
20:14	Calinou	VanessaE, like on GitHub
20:14	Calinou	most of Gogs' design is there to mimic GitHub
20:14	Calinou	(which is a good thing, as GitHub is solid design)
20:14	est	still not understanding why github is so bad
20:14	VanessaE	Calinou: on github I always used the ssh ones, never considered that the actual website URL could be cloned.
20:15	Calinou	if you clone a browsable URL, it might be read-only, although I'm not sure
20:15	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou there, you can find all my repos here
20:15	Calinou	est, GitHub is proprietary, GitLab is partially proprietary, â€¦ the only good solutions are something like Notabug or self-hosting
20:15	Calinou	I can't self-host (lack of money) so I use Notabug
20:16	Calinou	anyway, the repos are all commited, with history
20:16	Calinou	there's an issue tracker available
20:16	VanessaE	nice
20:16	Calinou	no pull requests for now, so you'll have to send .patch files :(
20:16	est	Calinou, I don't like platforms that make it easy and free to develop proprietary software
20:16	Calinou	Notabug supports private repositories, if you need them
20:16	est	so?
20:17	est	github at least demands money for people who want to make money
20:17	Calinou	that's a good selling point for it :P
20:17	est	this is a sound concept
20:18	est	but when you give your software away for free... Idk what else you can do with open source github clones than abuse them for proprietary software, or do exactly what github does.
20:18	Calinou	there, installed Shumway in browser to make the copy buttons work
20:18	est	lol that works
20:18	est	shumway is growing to get better
20:19	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/moreores/commits/master
20:19	Calinou	the commit view is rather compact; good thing
20:19	est	where is that copy thing?
20:19	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/moreores/issues issue tracker has labels, milestones, and all that
20:19	Calinou	https://notabug.org/Calinou/moreores - click on the gray cloud
20:21	est	wow that works
20:21	est	lol
20:21	Calinou	hello there :) https://notabug.org/Menche/voxelands
20:22	est	btw if real menche wants the inchranet nickserv, I can drop the nick (or admins are free to do it), as I've protected it to stop menche imposter from doing it.
20:23	rubenwardy	http://a.pomf.se/exkvdz.png
20:23	Calinou	is this a game you're working on?
20:23	rubenwardy	Yes
20:24	rubenwardy	I made a game called Flying Pro when I was 13/14, this is a remake for nistalga
20:24	rubenwardy	nostalgia
20:24	Calinou	make the sky less ugly please :P
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20:31	rubenwardy	Calinou, I copied and pasted the sky color from an Irrlicht template, it's not a very good color. I'm going to add clouds and stuff
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20:38	Taoki	Are the forums down? I'm asked to log in constantly, even after I have done so
20:38	Calinou	Taoki, clean your cookies
20:38	Calinou	and cache perhaps
20:38	Calinou	everyone's having this
20:38	Taoki	Same issue
20:38	Taoki	ok, so I'm not alone at least
20:39	Calinou	this has fixed it for me
20:40	Taoki	Ah, fixed it now. Had to delete older ones
20:42	Jordach	here's a map of a BFD MGv7 world http://jordach.net/Media/bfdmap.png
20:45	VanessaE	sfan5: in the minetest mapper, what's the fifth value in a translucent item for? (R G B A ???)
20:45	VanessaE	(in the colors.txt I mean)
20:45	xenkey	hello everybody
20:45	VanessaE	hiu
20:46	VanessaE	hi
20:46	xenkey	As much as I hate to ask/advertise, I need somebody to help me build up the spawn on my server. I don't know where else to ask so -- Anyone available to help me?
20:47	VanessaE	xenkey: post about your server on the minetest forums
20:47	VanessaE	tell users what you've got, how to find it, what's special about it, etc etc etc
20:47	xenkey	But that's effort, I don't want to look lazy.
20:48	xenkey	Right I'm just going to do this
20:48	VanessaE	so put in the effort :P
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20:58	sfan5	VanessaE: thickness
20:58	VanessaE	ah
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21:07	sfan5	VanessaE: i (think because i just read the code) it's how much darker the color gets, 0 meaning nothing happens (vs no --drawalpha), 254 meaning that the color gets very light (i don't understand my own code anymore)
21:08	VanessaE	haha
21:08	Gael-de-Sailly	Problem on the forum : can't log in
21:08	VanessaE	I tried to read some of the code but only got as far as where it's parsed out of the file. gave up after that
21:08	Gael-de-Sailly	The forum says that I'm successfully logged in
21:09	Gael-de-Sailly	After But in fact no
21:09	VanessaE	the forum is busted sorta
21:09	VanessaE	clear your cache maybe
21:09	sfan5	VanessaE: it's put into m_th https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/blob/master/TileGenerator.cpp#L530 and then into blockpixelattrs.thicken https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/blob/master/TileGenerator.cpp#L528
21:09	Gael-de-Sailly	I don't understand, sorry
21:09	sfan5	VanessaE: and thats used here https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/blob/master/TileGenerator.cpp#L593
21:09	VanessaE	ah hell, that's why I didn't find it
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21:10	sfan5	i think i need to test this again
21:10	Calinou	https://github.com/Calinou/moreblocks
21:10	Calinou	GitHub mirror created
21:10	Calinou	(other repos will follow later)
21:10	Gael-de-Sailly	Could someone try to connect on the forum, please ? To know if it's just me or if everyone has this problem.
21:11	Gael-de-Sailly	*whether
21:14	Gael-de-Sailly	After login, I see "Login" at the top right, instead of "Logout [ Gael de Sailly ]". And I can't post any reply.
21:14	sfan5	ohhhhhhhh
21:14	Calinou	clear your cookies/cache
21:14	sfan5	this makes sense
21:14	Calinou	I'll add this in topic
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21:15	Calinou	there, should be obvious enough
21:15	Calinou	remove it in a few days, or if the issue is gone
21:16	Gael-de-Sailly	thank you. Clearing cookies and stuff.
21:17	Gael-de-Sailly	I've never cleared it fromâ€¦ 8 monthes !
21:17	Gael-de-Sailly	Yes it works :-)
21:18	sfan5	VanessaE: it's how much of the shadows are visible, 0 -> 100% visible (= air) 255 -> 0% visible (= solid material)
21:18	Gael-de-Sailly	Good bye
21:18	sfan5	VanessaE: the default value is 0 because solid material does not use also so the code does not even run
21:19	VanessaE	sfan5: ahhh
21:20	sfan5	VanessaE: also it's averaged over multiple nodes
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21:21	VanessaE	sfan5: sounds like something that should be documented in the READM
21:21	VanessaE	+E
21:21	VanessaE	this could be useful for certain types of glass, torches, fences, well anything that's not a solid, whole cube really
21:21	VanessaE	s/solid/opaque/
21:21	sfan5	VanessaE: 3 nodes w/ t=123 would have t=((0 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2
21:22	sfan5	!c ((0 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2
21:22	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
21:23	sfan5	!c (((0 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2
21:23	MinetestBot	107.625
21:23	VanessaE	unmatched left paren
21:23	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Clarify function of thickness param of nodes 70b7550 http://git.io/h4BX (2015-03-18T22:22:10+01:00)
21:23	sfan5	!c (((0 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2, (0+123+123+123)/3
21:23	MinetestBot	(107.625, 123.0)
21:23	sfan5	!c (((0 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2 + 123) / 2, (0+123+123+123)/4
21:23	MinetestBot	(107.625, 92.25)
21:23	sfan5	hm
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21:24	est31	why are there just $number_of_people_developing_on_mappers mappers around?
21:24	est31	perhaps mtsattelite has multiple developers
21:25	est31	but still, too much :(
21:25	est31	(was more addressing the problem with minetestmapper-cpp)
21:26	est31	one official, one owned by sfan5 (who could but out of some reason doesnt push it to official) and one by rogier
21:26	est31	and perhaps more :/
21:26	sfan5	facepalm
21:26	sfan5	est31: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-mapper-cpp "This is sfan5's personal repository. The official minetestmapper is at https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper"
21:26	sfan5	est31: minetest/minetestmapper is even a fork of sfan5/minetest-mapper-cpp
21:27	est31	ah you pushed it
21:27	est31	sorry then
21:27	VanessaE	which is a fork of shadowninja's wasn't it? which in turn is a fork of.....hell, who was it who did that original rewrite
21:27	est31	yup
21:27	sfan5	mireq or something
21:27	sfan5	est31: it has been like this for like a year
21:27	est31	and?
21:28	sfan5	you could have noticed this
21:28	est31	so now its "verjÃ¤hrt"?
21:28	sfan5	??
21:29	est31	as in "if I noted it before, something could have been done about it but now its just isnt possible anymore"?
21:29	sfan5	no
21:29	sfan5	it has been "pushed" for a long time
21:29	sfan5	my mapper repo is not a seperate thing
21:29	sfan5	i mean, it's not a different mapper with different features
21:30	est31	you should perhaps talk to github staff then to remove the "fork" setup.
21:31	sfan5	i asked celeron55 about that, ircc he did not deem it necessary to have them detach the repo
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21:37	sfan5	VanessaE: resulting thickness for n nodes with thickness t is t(n, t)=t - (t * 0.5^n)
21:38	sfan5	VanessaE: remaining % of shadows would be s(n,t)=(255 - (t - t0.5^n))100
21:39	VanessaE	whoosh :)
21:39	sfan5	oh i forgot a division
21:39	VanessaE	(even simple math is gonna go over my head today)
21:40	sfan5	VanessaE: s(n,t)=(255 - (t - t0.5^n))/255100
21:41	sfan5	that means after 2 nodes of water (t=224) there is only 33% shadows left
21:41	sfan5	no idea whether that is realistic Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
21:41	VanessaE	well, it works pretty well at any rate :P
21:45	orbea	is it possible to alter the default recipes?
21:45	VanessaE	not directgly, but if you register an identical recipe with a new output, the new recipe will take precedence.
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21:46	VanessaE	directly*
21:46	orbea	ah, thanks
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21:50	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Rename some variables to make their purpose clearer a361e4d http://git.io/h4wS (2015-03-18T22:49:19+01:00)
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22:23	paxcoder	When I put 2 items in the stackwise injector, shouldn't it leave an item if there is just 1 of it in a chest?
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22:25	est31	?
22:26	paxcoder	Let me rephrase, sec
22:27	paxcoder	If I put 2 of X and 2 of Y in the the first and the second slot of the stackwise injector slot respectively, and if there is just 1 of X in a chest, shouldn't it take 2 of Y?
22:28	VanessaE	I think the items in the injector only say what to filter, not how much
22:29	VanessaE	(I thought it always tries to move whole stacks, regardless of how much is in a stack or how much you put into a given slot in the injector)
22:29	paxcoder	VanessaE, but it does take 2 by 2
22:29	VanessaE	huh.
22:30	VanessaE	maybe it always reaches for the biggest then? idk
22:30	VanessaE	I didn't write it :)
22:30	VanessaE	er not the biggest
22:30	VanessaE	the first I mean
22:30	paxcoder	Maybe put the tubes wrong and that's why 1 item found itself there.
22:30	paxcoder	VanessaE, one with the most priority, i got you
22:32	paxcoder	VanessaE, you were write, it takes the whole stack
22:32	paxcoder	*right
22:32	paxcoder	I guess i had just 2 items the :/
22:32	paxcoder	*then
22:33	paxcoder	i know what to do
22:33	paxcoder	two itemwise injectors, and then alternate between them
22:33	est31	I wrote it and i forgot :(
22:33	paxcoder	umm no
22:33	est31	at least that specific functionality
22:34	paxcoder	don't know how to do what i need
22:34	est31	what do you want?
22:34	paxcoder	You know, feed the centrifuge at least 2 dusts ;)
22:35	paxcoder	My server isn't as abundant as yours, so I can't just autocraft tons of centrifuges
22:35	paxcoder	I'm trying to do it all with 1
22:35	paxcoder	(looping setup)
22:35	est31	you'll wait ages
22:36	est31	but nvm, your problem demands a solution
22:36	paxcoder	:)
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22:38	est31	paxcoder, place one of those tubes that generate a mesecon signal, and let a microchip count the elements.
22:38	est31	s/elements/signals/
22:38	est31	or no, that doesnt help
22:38	est31	hm
22:44	paxcoder	you need to make the tubes turing complete ;D
22:47	VanessaE	actually...I think they nearly are :P
22:48	paxcoder	why do you think so?
22:48	VanessaE	well you can form loops and branches and make decisions ....
22:48	VanessaE	:)
22:48	VanessaE	been a while since I read up on what it takes to make something turing-complete though
22:49	est31	question is: what do you define as turing complete
22:49	paxcoder	mfw shuffling reminders
22:49	est31	I mean the usual definition is that in order to be turing complete a machine should be abled to simulate the turing machine
22:49	paxcoder	est31, i don't think you can make them turing complete. You can't make a NOT
22:50	est31	what is a NOT?
22:50	est31	generating stuff out of nothing??
22:50	paxcoder	yeah
22:51	Jordach	a not gate *
22:51	paxcoder	well i guess it doesn't have to be
22:51	est31	no, its possible
22:51	paxcoder	in a NOT gate, you still have to have power come from somewhere, right?
22:51	est31	using lava/water stone generators
22:52	est31	then a nodebreaker
22:52	VanessaE	paxcoder: only if it's power-based.
22:52	est31	and that gives you unlimited stuff
22:52	paxcoder	VanessaE, o.O
22:52	VanessaE	after all, a mesecons NOT gate outputs a high signal when the input is nil, and it requires no external power supply rails either.
22:52	paxcoder	yay, free energy
22:53	est31	I just have seen a player make a not gate feed to itself, making the signal change at each server step
22:53	est31	that was funny
22:53	est31	and then used it to signal an itemwise injector
22:53	est31	thats esp. funny
22:53	est31	not a stackwise one, no.
22:54	est31	(and a blinky plant)
22:54	paxcoder	i did that when we first got mesecons
22:54	est31	it may cause some lag.
22:54	paxcoder	yep
22:54	paxcoder	i use a blinky plant now :P
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22:55	mfw	paxcoder: mfw highlighting someone with the nick mfw
22:56	mfw	that was rude you know
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23:01	TheFox	Hello. Today makes a month since 0.4.12 was released. I was wondering if there were any known status updates with regards to releasing it in the Ubuntu stable PPA?
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23:15	paxcoder	not sure what that was
23:16	ShadowNinja	TheFox: Ask #ubuntu.
23:16	paxcoder	est31, what is the adjustable tube segment?
23:23	est31	TheFox, I guess What ShadowNinja means is that minetest needs somebody who can package it.
23:24	est31	technically, its a ppa by minetest developers
23:25	ShadowNinja	est31: Nah, ubuntu's just really bad at updating their software before it becomes obsolete.
23:27	est31	better than live on the bleeding edge
23:27	est31	Neither a vampire gets my blood nor any edge.
23:27	est31	:P
23:27	paxcoder	est31, ?
23:30	paxcoder	est31, is there a problem?
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23:30	est31	(its an anti-arch flame :p)
23:31	est31	debian already has 0.4.12 https://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest
23:31	est31	the ppa is unofficial (in terms of ubuntu-officialty)
23:31	est31	its official in terms of minetest-officialty
23:31	paxcoder	VanessaE, what did I do?
23:32	est31	now to adjustable tubes.
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23:32	est31	you mean adjustable vacuum tubes paxcoder?
23:32	est31	they "vacuum" everything close to them
23:33	est31	like when you drop something by pressing q
23:33	est31	and "adjustable" just means that you can set the range
23:34	paxcoder	est31, are there any controllable tubes?
23:34	* paxcoder	looks for valves
23:35	paxcoder	nvm
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23:36	est31	valves are pipe stuff
23:38	paxcoder	yes
23:38	paxcoder	oh not tubes
23:38	paxcoder	nvm, i think i can do without
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23:46	TheFox	Yes, I mean the PPA, not the official Ubuntu repositories. :) I was wondering if there was any update since the members of the stable PPA team were contacted last week about it.
23:46	TheFox	Status update, I mean.
23:48	TheFox	So are you saying to use the Debian one? Or...?
23:53	paxcoder	my centrifuge disappeared
23:54	paxcoder	nvm, connection
23:56	TheFox	Oh, I think I see. Just saying that Debian keeps up while Ubuntu doesn't. OK.
23:57	est31	perhaps in 15.10
23:58	TheFox	I'm not meaning the actual Ubuntu repositories though, just the Minetest PPA. Or are you guys saying that's a project no more?

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