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| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
this is different from the usual....how? |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 00:03 |
kaeza |
to be fair, it has been very stable the last couple of months :/ |
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kaeza |
except for the ocassional HexChat lockup / VBox crash / power cut / zombie apocalypse |
| 00:05 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 00:05 |
kaeza |
my connection I mean; the modem has been quite stable :I |
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kaeza |
I even had a BSOD for the first time in 2 years |
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acerspyro |
Ever since I pulled earlier today, Minetest kept leaking all the time. |
| 00:08 |
acerspyro |
has this been taken care of later today? |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
er, it shouldn't leak? |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
zeno has made great strides in plugging such |
| 00:08 |
acerspyro |
it ends up using 80% of 4 GB |
| 00:09 |
acerspyro |
After playing for like 20 mins |
| 00:18 |
jojoa1997 |
How would I have one entity move towards another entity? |
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crazyR_ |
is there a reason why formspec buttons and text boxes seem to have changed size on newer minetest builds |
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T4im |
crazyR_: size[<W>,<H>,<fixed_size>] <-- fixed_size is the old behavior, the new one seems to scale with the screensize |
| 01:07 |
crazyR_ |
hmm nearly all the forms looks fat and ugly lol |
| 01:21 |
LittleJoe |
I have a question: I ahve the most recent MT build and when I place mods/games in their respective folders they do not show up ingame. |
| 01:24 |
EvergreenTree |
LittleJoe: Have you enabled them in your world? |
| 01:24 |
EvergreenTree |
Just putting them in the mods directory won't enable them |
| 01:24 |
LittleJoe |
they aren't recognized in the configure world window |
| 01:25 |
LittleJoe |
I installed 1 vie the ingame mod thingy and it's the only one that shows |
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acerspyro |
is there a mod that will vary the size of nameplates depending on distance? |
| 01:35 |
LittleJoe |
nope |
| 01:35 |
acerspyro |
Because in close-up, nameplates are tiny ass |
| 01:35 |
LittleJoe |
just technic |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
acerspyro: that requires a core change. |
| 01:37 |
LittleJoe |
? |
| 01:37 |
acerspyro |
is it planned? |
| 01:37 |
* LittleJoe |
is afk |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
acerspyro: idk. ask the devs :) |
| 01:37 |
acerspyro |
VanessaE, is it planned? |
| 01:37 |
acerspyro |
:P |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
I'm not one of the core devs :P |
| 01:37 |
acerspyro |
oh, could have specified |
| 01:37 |
acerspyro |
:) |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
but you're right, it's needed |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
the names should grow as the player approaches. and there should be a definable minimum size as well |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
and they should fade away as the player gets out of range. |
| 01:39 |
VanessaE |
there should be a key to toggle "player names all view range" or so |
| 01:41 |
Arch-TK |
Why doesn't minetest use XDG dirs for storing game files and configuration in linux? |
| 01:42 |
Arch-TK |
This is the problem I've found with minecraft. The home directory is _not_ the place for folders storing program files and is also _not_ designed to store configs. |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
that's only for the run-in-place build |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
the system-wide build puts everything in /usr (or /usr/local). |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
and only your configs, worlds, etc are in $HOME/.minetest |
| 01:43 |
Arch-TK |
Yes, which is once again, not the right place for program data and configs. |
| 01:44 |
Arch-TK |
Are there plans to implement XDG support or should I learn C++, implement it and do a PR? |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
well dot-folders/dot-files have been the standard way of storing such things for quite some years now |
| 01:45 |
Arch-TK |
... |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
when did XDG get its start? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 01:46 |
Arch-TK |
VanessaE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
march 2000 for freedesktop.org |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
so yeah |
| 01:46 |
Arch-TK |
It's been in use for _a lot_ of linux software for quite some time. |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
newcomers, as far as where-to-store-shit is concerned. |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
yep I know |
| 01:46 |
Arch-TK |
Right. |
| 01:47 |
Arch-TK |
Do you, perchance, know how dotfiles originated? |
| 01:47 |
VanessaE |
compare 14 years versus ~40 prior years |
| 01:47 |
VanessaE |
actually no I don't, except I was using both since long before 2000 :P |
| 01:47 |
Arch-TK |
that doesn't mean that storing things like that in $HOME is the correct way of doing things. |
| 01:48 |
Arch-TK |
If "it's been used for longer" was ever an argument we would still be using sysvinit and curses |
| 01:48 |
VanessaE |
nevertheless, it's a solution to a problem that just doesn't exist imho |
| 01:48 |
Arch-TK |
Doesn't exist? |
| 01:49 |
Arch-TK |
how many files do you have in your $HOME? |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
too many. |
| 01:49 |
Arch-TK |
exactly |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
but just about as many now as I had 15 years ago. |
| 01:49 |
Arch-TK |
That's not an argument. |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
the argument is that XDG isn't helping anything |
| 01:50 |
* Arch-TK |
facepalms |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
hell, all it does is move files/folders from one location to another. |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
from $HOME to $HOME/.config |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
what's the point? |
| 01:50 |
Arch-TK |
because it doesn't clutter your home directory and groups things correctly. |
| 01:51 |
Arch-TK |
.config for config files .local/share for data |
| 01:51 |
Arch-TK |
and $HOME for things the user might want there |
| 01:51 |
Arch-TK |
like Downloads, Documents, Media. |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
don't get me wrong, I understand your argument |
| 01:51 |
Arch-TK |
Not 100012321 dotfiles |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
but for minetest it just doesn't really apply - you'd actually be splitting it up by doing that |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
where do mods go? data or configs? |
| 01:51 |
VanessaE |
(they're code) |
| 01:51 |
Arch-TK |
mods go in data... |
| 01:52 |
Arch-TK |
they're obviously not configs |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
and minetest's "configs" would consist of exactly one file |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
which is why it wouldn't help anything |
| 01:52 |
Arch-TK |
if it's data specific to the user which gets generated by the program or used by the program after compilation it should be in .local/share |
| 01:52 |
Arch-TK |
VanessaE: .config/minetest/ |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
~/.config/minetest/minetest.conf |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
and that's it. |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
that's all that would exist under normal conditions. |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
while everything else would get piled under ~/.local/share/minetest |
| 01:53 |
Arch-TK |
Yes... And? |
| 01:54 |
VanessaE |
and....you' |
| 01:54 |
Arch-TK |
That's how most of the applications on my system seem to do things. |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
and....you're proposing splitting one file off from the rest in order to, as you put it, keep it all in one place, rather than...erm... keeping it all together in one place? |
| 01:55 |
Arch-TK |
... |
| 01:55 |
Arch-TK |
I said "keep the configs in one place and data files in another place" or something to that effect |
| 01:55 |
Arch-TK |
not keep data files, configs, user files, some weird temp files, some crap some program created and some directory thumbnail listing in one directory. |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
well I misread that part, but you get my point. |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
splitting one file off from the rest is pointless here |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
the way minetest is structured it would not have any benefit at this point. |
| 01:57 |
Arch-TK |
no, it's not pointless, it would get minetest out of $HOME |
| 01:57 |
Arch-TK |
that's the main part |
| 01:57 |
kaeza |
XDG support would be welcome as an optional feature for those who want it |
| 01:59 |
Arch-TK |
heck, it seems even some Steam games which for some odd reason create configs use XDG_CONFIG_HOME, and that's surprising considering most game developers who port to linux don't seem to understand it as well as they should. |
| 01:59 |
kaeza |
also, ~/.cache/minetest/ (for files downloaded from servers) |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
BTW, where would `debug.txt` fit in there? |
| 02:00 |
Arch-TK |
what is it? |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
debugging output |
| 02:00 |
Arch-TK |
a log? |
| 02:00 |
Arch-TK |
cache |
| 02:00 |
Arch-TK |
or /var/log |
| 02:01 |
Arch-TK |
http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
he'll be back :P |
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Arch-TK |
To be honest. dotfiles should only really ever be used to give specific information about something specific to the directory they're in. |
| 02:04 |
Arch-TK |
Take .gitignore as an example, you don't want it to show up when globbing and don't want it to show up with a normal ls but you can't put it somewhere else, it's specific to the directory tree it is in and only specific upwards, gitignores up the tree do not affect anything down the tree. |
| 02:06 |
Arch-TK |
similarly, certain file managers (not that I use a file manager) will create dotfiles describing the current directory visually, like the windows thumbs.db and the macintosh file which I forgot the name of. |
| 02:07 |
Arch-TK |
In any case, dotfiles were a result of lazy programming of early ls. if (filename]0 |
| 02:07 |
Arch-TK |
oops, cr |
| 02:08 |
Arch-TK |
if (filename[0] != '.') printf("%s\n", filename); |
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Arch-TK |
Or something to that effect. |
| 02:09 |
Arch-TK |
It was intended to remove the implicit . and .. folders from ls or du or something. |
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Sokomine |
uff. finally caught up with the forum :-) |
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Sokomine |
(at least for now) |
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Wayward_One |
anyone know what could be causing this? "Got packet command: 68 for peer id 9 but client isn't active yet. Dropping packet" |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
probably an olllllllld client that doesn't respect the minetest protocol |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix Lua function https:/ http://git.io/jzqLaQ (2014-12-30T00:11:49-05:00) |
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[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Replace instances of height_min/height_max with y_min/y_max to remove ambiguity 9b0d77a http://git.io/wc7x2w (2014-12-30T01:48:20-05:00) |
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redstonecraftpl |
Hello |
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redstonecraftpl |
hi krock |
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Krock |
hi |
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redstonecraftpl |
are Jordach here? |
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redstonecraftpl |
~seen Jordach |
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ShadowBot |
redstonecraftpl: I saw Jordach in #minetest 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 37 seconds ago saying "https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=166342#p166342" |
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redstonecraftpl |
hi someguy |
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someguy_irc |
Hello |
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someguy_irc |
yo CWz |
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Megaf |
Hi all |
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jojoa1997 |
hi Megaf |
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Megaf |
Hi jojoa1997 |
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jojoa1997 |
https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?mode=view&id=1754&sid=9a0ecfa2855202afcbc22c98a403e876 |
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Megaf |
What was that? It doesnt exists anymore |
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Krock |
^ |
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jojoa1997 |
Does anyone know of a mod where one entity moves towards another entity? |
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[git] AMDmi3 -> minetest/minetest: Fix endian.h include for FreeBSD 2414580 http://git.io/-BBPkQ (2014-12-30T23:00:01+10:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Cleanup updateCameraDirection and fix random input not working 53bc56d http://git.io/0LL4-w (2014-12-30T22:59:55+10:00) |
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jojoa1997 |
Where are mods kept in OSX systems. I am preparing something for a friend and I have no idea how Mac is set up. I have just downloaded the Mac build so far |
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exio4 |
Zeno`, I had the idea of a configurable light table a bit ago, I was too lazy to implement, so thanks for it! ;P |
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kilbith |
does a german player use Unified Inventory here ? |
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kilbith |
i'd like to know if the german translation is effective in that mod |
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Megaf |
jojoa1997: either at ~/Application Support/minetest/(create mods folder here) or /Applications/minetest.app/(somewhere) |
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redstonecraftpl |
do minetest server will work on 32mb ram(32 just only for server, system loaded in other ram) |
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Megaf |
redstonecraftpl: Nope |
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Megaf |
redstonecraftpl: you need 256 MB |
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redstonecraftpl |
at least? |
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Megaf |
At least 128 MB |
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nies |
do minetest servers use less ram than MC? |
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redstonecraftpl |
but 100% vanilla |
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Megaf |
redstonecraftpl: nies: minetestserver used to use very little ram, but now a days theres something wrong and its using lots of ram |
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jojoa1997 |
Megaf the zip file shows this path. "Downloads\minetest-0.4.11.zip\minetest.app\Contents\Resources\bin" so i would put it in "\bin\mods"? |
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nies |
ooh |
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jojoa1997 |
lol yeah used to |
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redstonecraftpl |
megaf, what about old(0.4.0) server? or 0.3.0? |
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Megaf |
redstonecraftpl: not worth |
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Megaf |
hold on, I will try something here |
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jojoa1997 |
redstonecraftpl when i joined it was fine ram usage ~0.4.5 |
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redstonecraftpl |
so could it run on 32mb? |
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redstonecraftpl |
on client or server |
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jojoa1997 |
but it would be better to run the latest stable. so much better |
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redstonecraftpl |
i want to run a server on openshells |
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Megaf |
kilbith: Im joining my server right now |
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Megaf |
come back please :) |
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Megaf |
I have just updated homedecor, pipeworks, mesecons, plantlife and something else |
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kilbith |
yes darling |
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Megaf |
lol |
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jojoa1997 |
JohnMegafONeil look I am blind! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9190 it tells me the right info |
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JohnMegafONeil |
yep, Application support then |
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JohnMegafONeil |
kilbith: I have to fix/create these textures. https://gist.github.com/Megaf/d752e245ad4439d6f54e |
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JohnMegafONeil |
I will do that now |
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Zeno` |
JohnMegafONeil, there was a change |
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kilbith |
it's an old missing |
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Zeno` |
JohnMegafONeil, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7b93408884336345dbe8779aaabcf46a51a3d257 |
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Zeno` |
so with the client, edit minetest.conf and add liquid_queue_purge_time = 60 (or whatever) |
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kilbith |
Luke <3 |
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Jordach |
JohnMegafONeil, http://niceme.me |
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Krock |
Jordach, that site's contents are 90% javascript and 10% visible text.. |
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Wayward_One |
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kilbith |
!seen RealBadAngel |
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kilbith: realbadangel was last seen at 2014-12-21 19:58:47 UTC on #minetest |
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Jordach |
sfan5, new build pls |
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Jordach |
or Krock |
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sfan5 |
Jordach: maybe |
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Krock |
Jordach, why? |
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Jordach |
there's new stuff in the Biome API |
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Krock |
my last build if from yesterday |
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Krock |
s/if/is/ |
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Jordach |
Krock, it's not the latest :( |
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Krock |
mhm |
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Krock |
compilinh |
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Jordach |
64bit would be nice |
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Krock |
Jordach, in the dropbox directory |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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Jordach |
Krock, just an exe? u mad bro? |
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Krock |
Jordach, want the full archive? I think there weren't any important documentatio changes to the previous build |
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Krock |
*documentaton |
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Jordach |
full ass build with the magics and libs |
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Jordach |
i have a 64bit sfan5 build active right now |
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Krock |
aha |
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Krock |
upload done in 30s |
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Krock |
or more |
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Jordach |
you have a better upload than me |
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Krock |
no, just a smaller archive :3 |
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Jordach |
if i had a VPS i probably could sort out a windows auto-updater |
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LittleJoe |
anybody know how I can erase everything minetest in an Ubuntu system wide install? |
| 16:41 |
LittleJoe |
I hit the launcher and it seams to "rebuild" the .minetest folder in Home |
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kaeza |
LittleJoe, if you installed from the package manager, remove it from there or run `sudo apt-get autoremove minetest` from a terminal |
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LittleJoe |
ok I'll try |
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kaeza |
(then just remove ~/.minetest) |
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LittleJoe |
well it did something : D |
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LittleJoe |
thanks ; ) |
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kaeza |
sure :) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Add display_gamma option for client 3d29be2 http://git.io/gDiwFw (2014-12-31T02:44:31+10:00) |
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Jordach |
FINALLY |
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Jordach |
i no longer have to turn it up via nVidia Control Panel |
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mpa1212 |
Are there seperate git repos for each of the mods included in minetest_game? I'd like to include the git versions in my modpack, and the only way I can think of doing that would be to symlink minetest_game/mods/* to my modpack. |
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marktraceur |
Anyone have any thoughts as to why the force-load mod wouldn't be working after some amount of time? |
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Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/c/cVnQt-2MmUjA.png must grovelling about gravel right now |
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nore |
mpa1212, no, only the global repo |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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rubenwardy |
Was this too harsh? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=166438#p166438 |
| 17:40 |
Krock |
yeah,maybe |
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rubenwardy |
hmmm |
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rubenwardy |
I'll scale it down a bit |
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Krock |
some positive things couldbe useful in that post |
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Krock |
I don't know what I should say about this - it's not really required |
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rubenwardy |
I scaled it down a bit |
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Krock |
btw, you'll get spam emails soon if you don't edit the address in one of your recent posts :3 |
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rubenwardy |
Done |
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rubenwardy |
GMail's filtering is quite good, anyway |
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kaeza |
marktraceur, "not working" as in...? |
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marktraceur |
kaeza: Placing the forceload node doesn't forceload. |
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kaeza |
where's that mod? |
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rubenwardy |
Back |
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rubenwardy |
Lol, that's either mine or technic's |
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rubenwardy |
!dev intro |
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MinetestBot |
No such page. |
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rubenwardy |
!dev Intro |
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MinetestBot |
"Minetest has a scripting API (Application Programming Interface), which is used to program mods (short for "modifications") for the game, extending its features and adding new items." - http://dev.minetest.net/Intro |
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rubenwardy |
Is this good advice? http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc/chapters/lua.html#local-and-global |
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rubenwardy |
(please not, WIP) |
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rubenwardy |
note |
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VanessaE |
rubenwardy: looks good |
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rubenwardy |
excellend |
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rubenwardy |
*t |
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exio4 |
variables should be local by default |
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exio4 |
and immutable by default, too |
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rubenwardy |
Lua sucks |
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LittleJoe |
TAKE THAT BACK |
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rubenwardy |
function() foo = "sdsd" end <--- foo is assigned to global |
| 18:56 |
LittleJoe |
but it is worse than java : ) |
| 18:56 |
rubenwardy |
Well, Lua has a purpose |
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Calinou |
exio4> and immutable by default, too |
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Calinou |
that confuses everybody |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
Java too has a purpose… |
| 18:56 |
exio4 |
why? |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
being medium-level |
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rubenwardy |
I joke |
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exio4 |
Calinou, why? |
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exio4 |
Java has a purpose, being a retarded language, it is just like COBOL |
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exio4 |
but object oriented, which is also retarded in most of its actual usage |
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rubenwardy |
Ruby wins |
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rubenwardy |
Accept speed and control. And libraries |
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rubenwardy |
Except |
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* rubenwardy |
should think and spell before he types |
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exio4 |
it is a very dynamic language though, and also is based around OOP |
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rubenwardy |
OOP is good if used correctly |
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rubenwardy |
Which is never |
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exio4 |
"if used correctly" |
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exio4 |
OOP is like a nuke |
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exio4 |
you can't get anything good out of it as a whole, but if you take some small parts of it, it is very good actually! |
| 18:59 |
exio4 |
but then you are not writing the modern OOP |
| 19:00 |
exio4 |
but smalltalk |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
o_O |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
oh i thought this was #programming-language-debate for a second |
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exio4 |
it is #programming-paradigms-debate |
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rubenwardy |
Polymorphism should be used only when necessary, along with inheritence. |
| 19:02 |
exio4 |
polymorphism is amazing |
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rubenwardy |
Polymorphism is good for state machines |
| 19:02 |
exio4 |
parametric polymorphism, and subtyping polymorphism are pretty cool |
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exio4 |
rubenwardy, the thing isn't have "abstractions", but having the "right abstractions" |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
Exactly. Java has too many abstractions |
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exio4 |
Haskell is more abstract |
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exio4 |
you even have a more powerful typesystem |
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rubenwardy |
Haskell hurts |
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exio4 |
(which isn't that hard, after checking java's type system, anyone would think static type checkers are annoying) |
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exio4 |
rubenwardy, how does it "hurts"? |
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rubenwardy |
It is just so different to other languages. I can't understand the tutorial. I don't understand how you can't have variables. |
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rubenwardy |
What is it? Imperative? |
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exio4 |
it isn't that hard, you just need to unlearn whatever you already know |
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exio4 |
it is a functional language, but a pure one |
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exio4 |
rubenwardy, I don't understand how people actually live with mutable state, either |
| 19:09 |
exio4 |
it is so painful to reason about the program, and imperative constructs, arr, I just can't get them, they aren't so modular as my shiny maps, filters, and other high order functions! |
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exio4 |
and what? you said you don't have functors? |
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exio4 |
oh, and you said you have null in your language? what is this null we are talking about? |
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rubenwardy |
Prolog is in a league of its own. I don't think anyone knows how to use it. |
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exio4 |
logic languages are pretty cool |
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exio4 |
I still haven't learnt any of them, though, just touched a little bit and wrote some small toy programs :( |
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exio4 |
rubenwardy, do you know scheme/racket? |
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rubenwardy |
No :( |
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exio4 |
well, THAT is a cool dynamic language |
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rubenwardy |
Programming languages all suck. Either they are too low level, or they are too slow |
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exio4 |
it has amazing macros (lisp-family ... :P), it is also functionalish, and well, lots of cool stuff! |
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exio4 |
Haskell is pretty fast, actually |
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exio4 |
and is one of the "highest-level" I know |
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exio4 |
(well, not Haskell, but GHC) |
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rubenwardy |
Can you use it for actual things, like games |
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rubenwardy |
? |
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exio4 |
you can! |
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rubenwardy |
Awesome |
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exio4 |
there aren't a lot of engines, or lots of research there, but functional reactive programming is pretty cool |
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exio4 |
there is a lot of work, but nothing compared to other things |
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* Brains |
shrugs, "If Spock could do it with stone knives and bear skins, we can use our flawed tools too." |
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exio4 |
wut Brains? |
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rubenwardy |
I just want to make a nice 2D game. C++ and SDL hurts. HTML5 is nice, but slow. Java is java. Ruby has no game libraries, and is hard to distribute. cocos2dx is okay, but is with sprites. |
| 19:22 |
Krock |
flash? |
| 19:22 |
rubenwardy |
Propietary. It costs a shit load |
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Brains |
exio4: One of the episodes in Star Trek (TOS), the gang ends up back in time... One of Spock's retorts was that he was building high tech circuits with the equivalent of "stone knives and bear skins". |
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exio4 |
Brains, no, I mean, which flawed tools do you mean? |
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rubenwardy |
^ nerd |
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Krock |
no no. don't tell the end. Haven't seen it yet |
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Brains |
exio4: All of them. |
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rubenwardy |
I joke, I think I've seen that |
| 19:23 |
Brains |
rubenwardy: You didn't mention python yet... Everybody has to mention pythong... |
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Brains |
-g |
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rubenwardy |
pygame :( |
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rubenwardy |
It is almost SDL |
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exio4 |
I have used SDL with Haskell for a toy program |
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exio4 |
I found it to be actually really easy to use |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, Lóve 2D! |
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rubenwardy |
Is that the Lua one? |
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* Brains |
goes back to working on getting his house server back running so that he can get minetest running again (under docker this time hopefully). |
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exio4 |
Brains, Python isn't worth anyone's time |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, ya |
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Brains |
exio4: The existing codebase and developer community disagrees with you. (That isn't pro-python but it is anti-hipster. =:P) |
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exio4 |
Brains, Java has a lot of code written on it, and also a big community of fresh programmers that love it |
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exio4 |
so does Javascript |
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Brains |
I dislike java a good bit, but I wouldn't claim it was useless. |
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rubenwardy |
It is ironic how Ruby is more pythonic than Python. |
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exio4 |
how wasn't it useless, actually? |
| 19:28 |
rubenwardy |
The whole DRY, self documenting code. |
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rubenwardy |
(when it is used write of coursE) |
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exio4 |
it is used write? wut? |
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rubenwardy |
<rubenwardy> /me should think and spell before he types |
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rubenwardy |
right |
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Krock |
rubenwardy, do you want moving 2D objects or a browsergame? just wonder |
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exio4 |
Brains, just for saying, the scoping of python is broken |
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exio4 |
even if such an important and core feature of a language is broken, ok, we can workaround around it |
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rubenwardy |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nAa8ldoYE |
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rubenwardy |
The code for that is very messy, I can't get networking working |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy, Godot? |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
http://godotengine.org/ |
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rubenwardy |
pygame |
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Krock |
interesting game |
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rubenwardy |
That looks awesome |
| 19:34 |
exio4 |
guido's perfect language would probably be pretty cool, it would be a dynamic version of C++ with garbage collection |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_doc/releases/tag/20141230 |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc/chapters/lua.html |
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exio4 |
if anyone wanted a language without lambdas, I would call him insane |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
Java 8 has lambdas, IIRC |
| 19:36 |
exio4 |
it doesn't |
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exio4 |
it is syntatic sugar for anonymous classes |
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mr_niko |
hi |
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exio4 |
hi mr_niko |
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mr_niko |
hi... i'm Italian and i would like to help with translation... |
| 19:38 |
exio4 |
io non parlo italiano, mio amico :( |
| 19:38 |
exio4 |
but maybe someone else does |
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exio4 |
ok |
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rubenwardy |
Notice the product endorsement: http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc/chapters/node_drawtypes.html#nodebox |
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rubenwardy |
XD |
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VanessaE |
rubenwardy: add a slight sine wave to the liquid drawtype |
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VanessaE |
maybe a subtle wobble animation |
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Calinou |
try deforming it using GIMP |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
may work |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
I'll look terrible. I suck at GIMP |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
there's a wave filter that'll probably do the trick |
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rubenwardy |
*It'll |
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Jordach |
you've forgotton about the one person in here who could do that |
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VanessaE |
rubenwardy: if you want to use any of the meshes from my mods to demonstrate that drawtype, you're welcome to |
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rubenwardy |
Thanks. XD |
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VanessaE |
also under nodeboxes, I suggest other, more complex models be shown there besides stairs |
| 19:51 |
VanessaE |
such as, say, the "3dforniture" utility tables in homedecor |
| 19:52 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah. That is a good idea. |
| 19:52 |
VanessaE |
s/besides/in addition to/ |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
this document is a great start |
| 19:53 |
VanessaE |
minetest has needed something like this for a while now |
| 19:55 |
exio4 |
https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/commit/e6446da17f49f846c5af42314ccf79ef92606a9a |
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exio4 |
I am scared |
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exio4 |
break; // may cause dark areas |
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exio4 |
basically try to lock, if it fails, then the, well, who knows |
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* Jordach |
re-arranges his stupid commits people made list |
| 19:57 |
Jordach |
proller now takes 1st |
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proller |
8) |
| 19:58 |
Arch-TK |
I'm sure github has functionality for this already. |
| 19:58 |
Arch-TK |
Also you can awk the git log or something. |
| 19:58 |
proller |
fm too badm why you looking to it ? |
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exio4 |
I want to have some twisted nightmares |
| 20:00 |
Arch-TK |
Jordach: ^^^ (what I said) |
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proller |
Jordach, this - best https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/commit/7f7bafcafebd4ddc7c767ff8d5cf5f070ef338bb |
| 20:01 |
proller |
oops, this - https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/commit/14f4842fdb655787d0e87bd302b42b20ab5d57e4 |
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Jordach |
hah |
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rubenwardy |
What did hmmmm do? |
| 20:02 |
Jordach |
also i really should try out schematic drawing https://cdn.mediacru.sh/X/XtjtU6j1wnrq.png |
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rubenwardy |
Complain about memory leaks? |
| 20:03 |
proller |
no, he can not write c++ code without segfaults |
| 20:04 |
Arch-TK |
has anyone ever ran valgrind with leak check on the code? |
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hmmmm |
proller, you couldn't figure out what the problem was so you created a memory leak |
| 20:06 |
hmmmm |
you are so smart. |
| 20:06 |
proller |
you cant fix your segfault about week, you are so smart too. |
| 20:06 |
Arch-TK |
how old are you two? |
| 20:06 |
rubenwardy |
I sense some bad history here. |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
Did hmmmm insult you mother, proller? |
| 20:07 |
proller |
also leak after leaving game - not very important |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
Did proller insult your pets, hmmmm? |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
:D |
| 20:07 |
proller |
and leak much better than segfault |
| 20:08 |
proller |
so sorry hmmmm, but i smarter than you. |
| 20:08 |
hmmmm |
yup, seems like it |
| 20:08 |
Arch-TK |
... |
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hmmmm |
he couldn't figure out the actual cause of the segfault |
| 20:08 |
exio4 |
if minetest written in lisp, we wouldn't have this kind of problems |
| 20:08 |
hmmmm |
so he made a memory leak instead |
| 20:08 |
proller |
you can continue shitting about me in -dev |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
(((yeah))(but)(((no))())) |
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exio4 |
if that was lisp, I would kill myself |
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proller |
it was acceptable temporary solution. |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
Isn't it? |
| 20:09 |
exio4 |
(no (but) (yeah rubenwardy)) |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
(list 1 2 (list 3 4)) |
| 20:09 |
exio4 |
something like this looks reasonable |
| 20:10 |
exio4 |
"list" |
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proller |
hmmmm, you couldn't figure out the actual cause of the segfault of YOUR code |
| 20:10 |
exio4 |
'(1 2 3 4) |
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hmmmm |
but i did |
| 20:10 |
proller |
it was fixed by another person |
| 20:10 |
proller |
in next week |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
proller, but you're so smart |
| 20:10 |
hmmmm |
how come you couldn't figure it out |
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hmmmm |
tell us all |
| 20:10 |
proller |
its not my problem. |
| 20:10 |
Arch-TK |
guys |
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Jordach |
shit |
| 20:11 |
Arch-TK |
this isn't #ubuntu or #daycare |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
i'm with proller on this |
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Jordach |
(that's a first) |
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Arch-TK |
take your childish insults elsewhere |
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proller |
hmmmm, why i shall dig your shitcode ? |
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hmmmm |
your sentence doesn't even make sense |
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rubenwardy |
Don't make me go over there and split you up. |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: now now...take your hand away from that big red button... |
| 20:13 |
Jordach |
In tonights round of Neckbeard V Neckbeard. We have proller in the red corner, and seasoned software developer hmmmm in the blue corner. |
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hmmmm |
I don't have a beard |
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hmmmm |
in fact I shaved yesterday |
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exio4 |
you should hmmmm |
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exio4 |
because developers have to have beards |
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exio4 |
it is like the de-facto standard, just like C++ and Java |
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proller |
no, shitcoders allowed to shave. |
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Arch-TK |
Yeah.... de-facto standard... no |
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rubenwardy |
Bye all! |
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exio4 |
well, I have a beard only because I am too lazy to shave, does it still count? :D |
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Jordach |
^ |
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Krock |
double |
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Krock |
^ |
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rubenwardy |
I hate beards |
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rubenwardy |
So unattractive. |
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exio4 |
why that, though |
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exio4 |
well, I don't really like women with beards, either. |
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kaeza |
rubenwardy, thank you :( |
| 20:17 |
Krock |
lol. |
| 20:17 |
rubenwardy |
No offense |
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Jordach |
kaeza, you mean that's the standard in Uruguay?!? |
| 20:18 |
proller |
btw i know some very funny memory leaks in current minetest ;) |
| 20:18 |
rubenwardy |
Go on |
| 20:18 |
rubenwardy |
There are probably many |
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proller |
missed delete - not funny |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, <3 your take on the versioning scheme: Pointless.Major.Minor |
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rubenwardy |
XD |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
i prefer to call that first digit ETA:HL3 |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
that scheme isn't pointless. it has 2 dots. |
| 20:20 |
rubenwardy |
On that note: |
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kaeza |
Jordach, HL2-Ep2-Part2 * |
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kaeza |
<_< |
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Jordach |
kaeza, hah |
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Jordach |
if HL3 releases BFD will automatically hit 1.0 |
| 20:21 |
Arch-TK |
hey, look, I found your memory leaks: http://sprunge.us/fUBN |
| 20:22 |
Arch-TK |
Seriously, has anyone ever ran minetest through valgrind? |
| 20:22 |
exio4 |
yes |
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exio4 |
that is how people fixed a lot of mem leaks |
| 20:22 |
exio4 |
but managing memory is hard |
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Jordach |
but does valgrind have memory leaks :D |
| 20:22 |
Krock |
I don't get it. There aren't any (big) memory leaks on windoze |
| 20:23 |
Arch-TK |
I don't know, let's check `$ valgrind --leak-check=yes valgrind --leak-check=yes minetest` |
| 20:23 |
exio4 |
the memory leaks are inside a big #ifndef __WINDOZE #endif |
| 20:23 |
Krock |
oh neat. |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: I'm sure i've heard someone wrote a window manager in lisp, but is there an opengl for lisp? |
| 20:27 |
Arch-TK |
as in, bindings or some such interface |
| 20:27 |
exio4 |
what do you consider "lisp"? |
| 20:28 |
exio4 |
because what most people call "lisp", is either CL (which is ugly), or some language where its syntax is "lispy" |
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Arch-TK |
Hmm. |
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exio4 |
this would be like asking "is there an opengl binding for a language with a c-like syntax?" |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, do you have any drafts of your programming language? |
| 20:31 |
hmmmm |
not really |
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hmmmm |
it's mostly in my head |
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exio4 |
you should have some, it'd be pretty cool to read them and try to implement a "toy compiler" for, at least, some subset of it |
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hmmmm |
it doesn't matter - i wasn't too serious about it and it sounds unnecessary if the guy celeron is talking about is doing the same thing I'm looking for |
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acerspyro |
All the worlds my computer generates are fucked up :P |
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hmmmm |
there are great things in store for the future of programming languages |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, it still a cool thing, toy programming languages are a beautiful thing to write! |
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acerspyro |
chunks that does not respect the next chunk, causing a terrain difference, weird corruption glitches, crashes... |
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exio4 |
until they aren't toy- anymore |
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hmmmm |
haha |
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exio4 |
I have to ''finish'' yixem anyway :( |
| 20:33 |
hmmmm |
you can tell if a language is going to be good if it was written for yourself or written for others to use |
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exio4 |
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/EXio4/yixem/master/example.yxm -- some compilable code |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: I guess anything like lisp counts too. |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: meta-circular evaluators in general |
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exio4 |
Arch-TK, racket has bindings |
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Arch-TK |
ah, racket. |
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exio4 |
which is scheme |
| 20:35 |
Arch-TK |
hmm |
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Arch-TK |
which is indeed a meta-circular evaluator |
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exio4 |
so your definition of lisp is pretty broad |
| 20:35 |
Arch-TK |
Yes, I read lisp and was actually thinking scheme |
| 20:35 |
Arch-TK |
well |
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Arch-TK |
and perl |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, what do you mean? |
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Arch-TK |
but perl is separate |
| 20:36 |
Arch-TK |
the window manager was written in perl |
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exio4 |
you are a weird guy Arch-TK |
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hmmmm |
well C was written to be used by its own author |
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exio4 |
Arch-TK, I like you! |
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hmmmm |
C is a great language |
| 20:36 |
hmmmm |
C++ was written expressly for other people to use it |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, Haskell was designed for being a research language and is actually great |
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hmmmm |
I don't like functional languages |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: I attended an #archlinux-classroom "lesson" on racket. |
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exio4 |
I took proglang |
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Arch-TK |
It got me quite interested in the idea of a language like that. |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, what is the thing that you'd mostly dislike? |
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hmmmm |
it just doesn't seem like any of the supposed benefits of functional languages ever materialize |
| 20:37 |
hmmmm |
it's too different and it's unintuitive |
| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
you focus so much on making pure side-effect-less functions that it ends up becoming a distraction |
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exio4 |
you can write ugly code that relies on side-effects easily anyway |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, it doesn't, at least in my case |
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exio4 |
I actually find functional programming more intuitive |
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exio4 |
but if you want to write imperative code, you can |
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Arch-TK |
I have definitely written a lot more C than I have written anything else over time. |
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exio4 |
I write proller-level code in Haskell anyway |
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exio4 |
"-- this is buggy now" one comment in my code |
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Arch-TK |
/* I should probably make this look less like a giant pile of garbage one week. */ |
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exio4 |
those are the commit names |
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Arch-TK |
Someone has challenged me to write a self hosting bf JIT compiler |
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Arch-TK |
and I've actually started wondering what that would require... which is scary... because it's a really silly idea. |
| 20:46 |
Arch-TK |
I think I'll just start with a bf compiler, then add the self hosting part, and finish with the JIT part when I specify a bf which can actually handle that. |
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Arch-TK |
x86 spec, here I come. |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: https://github.com/shinh/sedlisp |
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exio4 |
heh |
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exio4 |
pretty cool program |
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exio4 |
kahrl, what MOOCs, may I ask? :P |
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exio4 |
which*? |
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kahrl |
coursera mostly as well as lectures on youtube |
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exio4 |
but which ones! :P |
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kahrl |
I completed the machine learning one on coursera |
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kahrl |
other than that it's mostly one-off stuff, I watched some on complex analysis recently |
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exio4 |
andrew ng's ML course? |
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kahrl |
yep |
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exio4 |
I took about 60% of it :/ |
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kahrl |
why did you stop? |
| 21:04 |
exio4 |
I couldn't finish it for real uni reasons |
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kahrl |
ah |
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exio4 |
exams that took a few weeks, and I already lost the track, and it was just too much after the exams |
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exio4 |
will take it in the next offerings anyway, I really liked it |
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kahrl |
it was quite convenient for me because I already knew octave so the programming tasks didn't take much time |
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kahrl |
and I knew the basics like gradient descent already |
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kahrl |
well as long as you don't need a certificate you can always finish it on your own |
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exio4 |
I didn't knew anything about approximations algorithms, most of what I played with were things like polynomial interpolation, and most "courses" I saw were a bit math-heavy (and my math isn't that good, sadly :P) |
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kahrl |
e.g. the complex analysis stuff I watched was from a course that ended a year ago |
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kahrl |
yeah math certainly helps :P |
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exio4 |
kahrl, yeah, I checked and downloaded the videos, but the thing that kept me going was the "deadline" |
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kahrl |
I missed too many deadlines for them to motivate me :P |
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exio4 |
deadlines with boring stuff are useless for motivating |
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exio4 |
but when you say "oh, well, if I finish the code in octave tomorrow, I'll have time for re-implementing it in Racket, then in Haskell, and then in C!" |
| 21:09 |
exio4 |
it is actually kind of funny :P |
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exio4 |
but because I spent too much time on MOOCs, it didn't end well IRL \o/ |
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Arch-TK |
sounds like my job |
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Arch-TK |
"If I hurry up and fix these bugs, I can spend time implementing more bugs." |
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exio4 |
kahrl, have you checked proglang? |
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kahrl |
not yet but I heard it's good |
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exio4 |
I was going to say that! |
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Brains |
Big fan of MOOCs and generally cool "technical" videos... Maybe a wiki page of videos/classes that folks found interesting should be started... |
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exio4 |
a meta-MOOC site? |
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Brains |
Those already exist, I was thinking more of something local (social network-wise). |
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* Brains |
flaked big time on the classes he was taking recently (he'll blame the holidays...) which is upsetting since they were some ones that he'd waited a while to catch on the rebound. The algo I/II and analysis classes (Princeton/Sedgewick) mostly. |
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Brains |
exio4: You talking about the UoW Programming Languages w/ Grossman? |
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exio4 |
yes |
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Brains |
If I'm remembering the right one, that was a good one. |
| 21:19 |
exio4 |
it was really good |
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* Brains |
also liked Odersky's Functional Programming Principles in Scala. |
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* NekoGloop |
throws a kitten at kahrl |
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* kahrl |
apparently failed to catch it |
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kahrl |
poor kitten! |
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T4im |
ah, I'm sure it will land on its… oh no… nevermind |
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VanessaE |
T4im: it's okay, it landed in OldCoder's pile as usual |
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OldCoder |
hi |
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OldCoder |
T4im, PM me later or tomorrow about your shop in Landrush |
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Johnsen2 |
OldCoder How do i remove chanserv from one of my channels??? |
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exio4 |
/msg chanserv set <channel> guard off |
| 21:37 |
Johnsen2 |
Really??? |
| 21:37 |
Johnsen2 |
Ok :P thankyou. |
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jojoa1997 |
What does LPGL v2.1 say I must do. All I know is that i have to use a gpl license because the mod i am using code from is that |
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exio4 |
you can use /msg chanserv help too |
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Johnsen2 |
ok |
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Arch-TK |
jojoa1997: I would assume the information is on this: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html page |
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jojoa1997 |
:P |
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jojoa1997 |
that page confuses me |
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Johnsen2 |
exio4, it didnt work chanserv's still there |
| 21:40 |
exio4 |
"Classic Rock intros; a guy with a PhD jumping up and down; and function subtyping being contravariant in the arguments: These are three things I did not expect from a course in Programming languages." |
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Johnsen2 |
Watching me with his creepy eyes robot eyes |
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Johnsen2 |
So evil |
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exio4 |
Johnsen2, I don't know then, it should be working |
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Johnsen2 |
hmm ill kick chanserv XD |
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Arch-TK |
jojoa1997: just skip the preamble |
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Johnsen2 |
Nope didnt work |
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Arch-TK |
Johnsen2: Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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Arch-TK |
jojoa1997: From what I understand the Lesser GPLs are licenses which permit the usage of libraries by proprietary software. |
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jojoa1997 |
ah |
| 21:50 |
Arch-TK |
jojoa1997: Basically, if you are using work which is licensed under the LGPL then your work needs to also incorporate the LGPL, however, if you are using software licensed under the LGPL in a library fashion, basically calling methods and not actually incorporating any code apart from static linking. |
| 21:51 |
Arch-TK |
Then that means that your software can use any license (I guess that's what they mean by use in proprietary applications) |
| 21:51 |
Arch-TK |
as a general rule of thumb, if you're building on anything with GPL on it, do not change the license, add the license everywhere else, and make sure to release source with any binaries |
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jojoa1997 |
ok sell mine has to be lpgl. I never leave code i use alone >:D |
| 21:53 |
Arch-TK |
you might possibly get away with upgrading to a full GPL and even upgrading the GPL version... hmm |
| 21:53 |
Arch-TK |
actually I don't know about that. |
| 21:53 |
Arch-TK |
Just keep the license the same. |
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Arch-TK |
And remember, IRC is not your lawyer. |
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jojoa1997 |
It isnt something big and there is a good chance i will keep it private so it doesnt really matter |
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Arch-TK |
Just remember, if you run it on a server, you have to give everyone access to the full source. |
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Arch-TK |
at least with GPLv3 you would, but I wouldn't assume it would be far different in LGPLv2.1 |
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Arch-TK |
hmm, cool, I still remember how to lua. |
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Arch-TK |
does minetest have a specification for all lua functions classes and anything else like hooks, file naming standards, folder structure standards and such? |
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exio4 |
lua_api.txt? |
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Arch-TK |
aha, I see, thanks. |
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crazyR |
What could cause all chat commands to be tempermental. EG: all commands dont always work, they do nothing when called. leave no errors. but then randomly it sometimes does work lol |
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crazyR |
trying to work out what i should be looking for. its obviously something in one of the mods |
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