IRC log for #minetest, 2014-12-14

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00:52	marktraceur	What's the convoluted way we check if a mod is loaded, these days?
00:55	marktraceur	Never mind, just figured I could check if the node I needed was registered.
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01:01	kaeza	marktraceur, if minetest.get_modpath("modname") then
01:20	marktraceur	Neat.
01:20	marktraceur	kaeza: Turns out I didn't need it really
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01:37	marktraceur	Hrm...managed to break my mod
01:37	marktraceur	Crap.
01:37	marktraceur	I can fix it tomorrow.
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01:37	marktraceur	How did I write 300 lines of code. Oh, right, it's been four hours. HOW HAS IT BEEN FOUR HOURS.
01:41	kaeza	300 lines in four hours? pfft
01:43	kaeza	that's nothing. I can code 1000 lines in half an hour (then spend another 12 hours making the thing actually work)
01:52	marktraceur	It's...nearly working!
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02:14	cornernote	hi
02:14	cornernote	aparently registering aliases for blocks isnt working any more
02:14	cornernote	eg: minetest.register_alias("mapgen_stone", "air")
02:14	cornernote	i need to be able to create an empty world
02:23	cornernote	also, forum moved from a directory to a subdomain, but you don't forward the traffic ?
02:23	cornernote	thats dodgey, no ?
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02:37	cmhobbs_	anyone know what the give string for a pickaxe is?
02:49	cornernote	to get singlenode active from my mod, do i do this:
02:49	cornernote	minetest.register_on_mapgen_init(func({mgname = "singlenode"}))
02:49	cornernote	or this:
02:49	cornernote	minetest.set_mapgen_params({mgname = "singlenode"})
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03:12	stormchaser3000	cornernote: do you know how to login to github using the git comand i can't seem to get it to work
03:13	stormchaser3000	i want to merge the master branch of minetest-skyblock into my fork
03:14	stormchaser3000	and then i want to edit the part of the code where you get the mese for a reward
03:14	stormchaser3000	so that you get mese crystals and not mese blocks
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03:44	cornernote	hey stormchaser3000
03:44	cornernote	just login to github.com, then you can do it via the website
03:45	cornernote	i made a patch just now, to remove the bones
03:45	cornernote	otherwise its kind of cheating if you get all your stuff back
03:46	stormchaser3000	XD
03:46	stormchaser3000	i have the bones mod removed by default
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03:47	cornernote	i like it in normal games
03:47	cornernote	but not suitable for skyblock
03:47	cornernote	i cant figure out how to set singlenode via lua code
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03:47	cornernote	i can do it in the world create screen
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03:48	cornernote	tried 2 things:
03:48	cornernote	minetest.set_mapgen_params({mgname = "singlenode"})
03:48	cornernote	and
03:48	cornernote	minetest.register_on_mapgen_init(function() return {mgname = "singlenode"} end)
03:48	stormchaser3000	hmmmm
03:48	stormchaser3000	odd
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03:50	paramat	lol
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03:50	cornernote	the 1st does nothing
03:50	cornernote	the 2nd makes the whole screen go black
03:51	cornernote	no, the 2nd does nothing too
03:51	cornernote	both together make the screen go black
03:51	cornernote	anyone else know how to set singlenode via lua ?
03:52	paramat	yeah hang on
03:52	paramat	https://github.com/paramat/overgen/blob/master/init.lua line 32
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03:53	paramat	if you leave water level at y = 1 you will get lighting bugs below y = 1, so set it to -32000
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03:54	cornernote	awesome thanks, testing now
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03:55	cornernote	still got mapgen
03:56	cornernote	https://gist.github.com/cornernote/b32b0a33d57524bb87c6
03:57	cornernote	when creating the world i choose v6 (left it on the default)
03:57	paramat	those lines should override whatever mapgen you select in menu
03:57	cornernote	but i assumed my lua should override that
03:58	cornernote	yeah
03:58	paramat	so try selecting mgv6, you should still get singlenode
03:59	cornernote	i only have: v6, v7, indev, singlenode, math
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03:59	cornernote	ok, loaded it in a mod of its own, and it works
03:59	paramat	by mgv6 i mean v6
03:59	cornernote	checking my stuff...
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04:01	cornernote	ok, moved it to another place, works now
04:02	paramat	you want a completely empty skyblock world from y = -31000 to y = 31000?
04:03	cornernote	yes, its for skyblock mod
04:03	cornernote	but the code you gave works
04:03	cornernote	i just had it in the wrong place i guess
04:03	paramat	okay so yes water level should be y = -32000
04:04	cornernote	stormchaser3000 - pushed the fix
04:04	cornernote	thanks paramat
04:04	paramat	=)
04:04	cornernote	also, i see mods now allow screenshots
04:04	cornernote	what do i name the file ?
04:05	cornernote	screenshot.png
04:05	paramat	yeah i saw that too, no idea yet
04:05	cornernote	works a treat
04:06	stormchaser3000	cornernote: updating
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04:10	Zeno`	Wuzzy, I can't reproduce your issue :(
04:11	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1957
04:11	Wuzzy	which version did u use?
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04:12	Zeno`	It's in the issue
04:12	Zeno`	but, the latest. I can't see anything settings related between the commit you were using and the commit I am though
04:12	Wuzzy	hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
04:15	Wuzzy	maybe its because you copied a very large subgame
04:16	Wuzzy	idk
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04:16	Wuzzy	whatever, I can’t help you, I leav now
04:16	Wuzzy	cya
04:17	cornernote	ok, i added screens to all my mods
04:18	cornernote	ok, next question... whats this online mod repository thingy ?
04:18	cornernote	how do i submit my mods ther e?
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04:19	stormchaser3000	cornernote: forum.minetest.net/mtdb
04:19	stormchaser3000	oops
04:20	cornernote	https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/addmod/
04:20	cornernote	wow, that looks like a lot of work
04:20	stormchaser3000	XD
04:20	stormchaser3000	well it works
04:20	cornernote	i have a dozen or more mods
04:20	stormchaser3000	and to access it from minetest go to the mods tab and  then press modstore
04:20	stormchaser3000	and wow
04:21	cornernote	dont really feel like entering all the descriptions and junk
04:21	stormchaser3000	that is going to be a lot of work
04:21	cornernote	considering i dont play the game any more
04:21	cornernote	im just trying to maintain support for the work i already did
04:21	stormchaser3000	ok
04:21	stormchaser3000	and by the way your no mapgen mod doesn't work either
04:22	stormchaser3000	possibly for the same reason as the skyblock mod
04:22	cornernote	yeah, same issue
04:22	cornernote	i'll fix that too
04:23	cornernote	its kind of obsolete
04:24	cornernote	cos you can choose singlenode mapgen mode
04:25	MinetestBot	[git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix background of creative icon (was black, now transparent) 17dde5d http://git.io/vf3Wlg (2014-12-14T05:09:43+01:00)
04:26	stormchaser3000	if i wanted to edit the skyblock mod to give one of you workbenches from your workbench mod would i use workbench:3 ?
04:26	stormchaser3000	for the itemstring
04:26	stormchaser3000	because i am working on a skyblock server
04:27	stormchaser3000	and i wanted to use the workbench mod and the craft guide mod
04:28	stormchaser3000	cornernote: ^^^
04:28	cornernote	workbench/craftguide/other mods/etc should work with skyblock
04:28	cornernote	but as i said i havent played in like a year
04:28	stormchaser3000	they do but i want to have the skyblock mod give a workbench at the start
04:29	stormchaser3000	and i wanted to know the itemstring for the 3x3 workbench
04:30	cornernote	updated no_mapgen mod (even tho its kind of obsolete)
04:30	stormchaser3000	ok
04:30	stormchaser3000	and XD i found the itemstring
04:31	cornernote	ahh, i see
04:32	cornernote	it gens the spawn blocks on the level_1.lua
04:36	cornernote	ok, now to fix an old craft guide bug
04:36	cornernote	the issue with group:xxx
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06:32	paramats	LazyJ the lua mapgen issue seems to be solved, see logs for minetest-dev, i just need to rewrite watershed a bit then i'll let you know when to return to your world and regen the buggy stuff
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06:38	cornernote	updated craft guide to show group items a lot better
06:38	cornernote	used to be unknown item, now it chooses an item from the group to use
06:38	cornernote	and also messages the player with the other items in the group
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06:47	LazyJ	Ok, thanks for the update, paramats ;)
06:50	paramats	in the end a lot of good came out of it, watershed and all my mapgens will be faster soon
06:51	LazyJ	Wonderful!
06:53	LazyJ	I don't follow #minetest-dev because I probably wouldn't understand what is discussed there. Is a short, "layman's" explanation (in very general terms) possible?
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06:54	LazyJ	Nothing I can make use of now, but someday, I may recall this and how it was fixed.
07:04	paramats	the way i used noise in watershed became buggy due to one of hmmmmm's commits
07:06	paramats	in the process of fixing this hmmmmm spotted more errors in my code that were slowing things down
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07:07	LazyJ	Is there a program that error-checks lua?
07:08	LazyJ	I see Minetest is complaining about "undeclared global values" now, so something exists.
07:09	LazyJ	Or does it all have to come from experience?
07:09	paramats	ah that error message is common now due to a recent commit, watershed has a couple of undeclared globals, i will fix
07:10	LazyJ	I'm not at the point of using perlin noise in any of my mod ideas, but it would be nice to have a tool or utility I could run the mods' code through to pick-out trouble spots.
07:10	paramats	in the past undeclared globals didn't create error messages, now we can hunt these down and improve our mods
07:11	LazyJ	I use a program called "Meld" to compare mod updates with.
07:11	paramats	i don't know of an error checking program, minetest already does that anyway
07:11	LazyJ	When it finds stuff that is different in the comparison, it colors the section blue.
07:12	LazyJ	What I'd like is a program that does something for trouble spots in Lua.
07:12	paramats	oh yeah someone else recommended meld to me
07:12	LazyJ	Meld wouldn't work for this "want", but the idea behind is what I'm after.
07:13	LazyJ	Many hours of forehead-to-keyboard bashing wasted just because of a missing curly-bracket or errant comma.
07:14	LazyJ	And in the case of undeclared globals it would save some time if the edit highlighted those before going through the process of running Minetest.
07:15	LazyJ	Maybe Eclipse already does this but I'm not savvy enough to know where and how.
07:16	LazyJ	But, all that aside, thanks again to you and hmmmm for getting this fixed. ;)
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07:16	LazyJ	Hopefully it will also help Minetest's mapgen as a whole.
07:16	paramats	you should update minetest with hmmmmm's latest commit, but wait for me to rewrite watershed
07:17	paramats	i'll let you know .. chat later O/
07:18	LazyJ	Ok, will do. ;)
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07:40	cornernote	rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock... in lua controller - https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-rpsls_lc
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08:04	Zeno`	I've added display_gamma as an option (not accepted yet, not even a pull request yet) if anyone wants to test it: https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/c34710c7da8686225ba90506ff7bd1e5d5009b3c
08:05	Zeno`	Mainly because I use calibrated monitors and night always seems far too dark for me hehehe
08:14	LazyJ	So... with display_gamma players could increase the gamma and make the in-game nights not-so dark?
08:15	LazyJ	Is it a minetest.conf setting or an in-game setting?
08:15	Zeno`	minetest.conf
08:15	LazyJ	(like adjusting volume)
08:15	Zeno`	If the patch gets accepted I have no doubt someone will make a nice GUI for it
08:15	DFeniks	would be good , for me its opposite , laptop screens seems too light to me
08:16	Zeno`	yeah, that as well ;)
08:16	Zeno`	display_gamma = 2.2   is the proposed default; accepted values (currently) are in the range 1.1 to 3.0
08:17	LazyJ	One of the frequent complaints (whining) I get from players is having "nights".
08:17	Zeno`	yeah, nights are darker than lit caves :/
08:17	LazyJ	Then we switched the time to "all-day"... and there were complaints that there were no nights.
08:17	LazyJ	Oy... can't win.
08:18	Zeno`	On my monitor I'm using display_gamma = 1.5 (to make it so I can see things at night)
08:18	Zeno`	caves are still dark (you won't be going exploring caves without torches ;))
08:18	LazyJ	So if there were a way, through a gui, to have all-day client-side, that might lessen the frequency of these conflicting complaints.
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08:19	Zeno`	LazyJ, that's possible but I don't think the devs would agree to that ;)
08:19	Zeno`	I think the gamma will fix many of the complaints
08:19	LazyJ	I have my monitor cranked-up too so I can see where I'm going in the dark but not all details are visible (ie, coal vs stone).
08:20	Zeno`	The excessive darkness of nights is my major concern and probably the same for others who don't like night as well
08:20	LazyJ	One problem with having all-day client-side is if that's the setting and night-time hostile mods are installed.
08:20	Zeno`	I won't adjust my monitors just to play minetest (they're calibrated)
08:20	Calinou	hi
08:20	LazyJ	But on the other hand, those mobs would still be visible.
08:20	* Calinou	edited light.cpp to use “debugging in the dark” table
08:20	Zeno`	Yeah and "always day" client-side is never going to be accepted
08:21	Calinou	looks good on my screen, lets me see in full darkness a bit :P
08:21	Calinou	(like on a bright screen)
08:21	Calinou	easy to do, Zeno` :P
08:21	Zeno`	Hi Calinou
08:21	Zeno`	<Zeno`> I've added display_gamma as an option (not accepted yet, not even a pull request yet) if anyone wants to test it: https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/c34710c7da8686225ba90506ff7bd1e5d5009b3c
08:21	Calinou	cap the gamma to 0.3-3, that is usually what most games do
08:21	Calinou	if someone wants fullbright, there are at least 3 ways to do it
08:21	Zeno`	I've capped it 1.1 to 3
08:21	Calinou	edit shaders, edit light.cpp, …
08:21	LazyJ	If all-day client-side is a toggled option, then it would be entirely the player's choice.
08:21	Zeno`	But I'm still experimenting
08:21	Calinou	it should be possible to set it below 1
08:22	LazyJ	But, yeah, your right, Zeno`, the devs probably wouldn't go for it.
08:22	Zeno`	Calinou, try out the patch and let me know what you think (remove the line that limits it) then :)
08:22	Zeno`	Comment out https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/c34710c7da8686225ba90506ff7bd1e5d5009b3c#diff-1bf86c5e08b07bc255ad8698c565bab6R72
08:23	CWz	good morning Zeno`
08:24	Calinou	what is the default gamma value? should be 1
08:25	Zeno`	2.2
08:25	Calinou	why is it so high?
08:25	Calinou	gamma should usually be 1 by default, tweak it as a factor
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08:26	Calinou	yay for freetype being off by default
08:26	Calinou	I have to rebuild the whole game :/
08:30	Zeno`	Why would 1.0 be default? 1.0 is linear
08:31	Calinou	oh, so it works like that
08:31	Calinou	for users, it is more obvious to use 1 as default, < 1 as lower values, > 1 as higher
08:32	Calinou	most people don't understand how gamma works, so they just want to use a factor…
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08:34	Zeno`	I've pushed a change. Limit is now 0.3 to 3.0  and table[0] is always 0 and brightest is always 255
08:35	Zeno`	hmm, maybe I could make the minetest.conf setting a percentage then
08:35	Calinou	:D
08:35	Zeno`	not sure
08:35	Calinou	a factor, not a percentage
08:35	Calinou	percentage would be base 100
08:37	Calinou	this seems to not have any effect
08:37	Calinou	I set display_gamma to 3, no difference in brightness
08:38	Zeno`	does to me
08:39	* Zeno`	double checks
08:39	Calinou	right, needs shaders to be off?
08:39	Zeno`	shouldn't but I might have made a mistake... looking
08:40	Zeno`	are you using the right branch?
08:40	Zeno`	git checkout gamma ?
08:40	Calinou	yes
08:41	Krock	moin.
08:41	Calinou	moin!
08:41	Calinou	http://moinmo.in/
08:41	Zeno`	hi Krock
08:41	Zeno`	Calinou, how are you changing the value?
08:42	Calinou	/set -n display_gamma 3
08:42	Zeno`	I might add a temporary feature so /set display_gamma will update in game
08:42	Krock	Calinou, nice. didn't know about that one
08:42	Calinou	then I restart the game
08:42	Calinou	the setting is saved into minetest.conf
08:42	Zeno`	hmmm
08:43	blaze	hi Calinou
08:43	Calinou	hi
08:45	Zeno`	ahh I see
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08:47	Krock	Zeno`, https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/c34710c7d#diff-1bf86c5e08b07bc255ad8698c565bab6R70 why not use the LIGHT_MAX constant?
08:48	Zeno`	I have now
08:48	Zeno`	I pushed another commit after that one :)
08:49	Krock	and 2.2 is actually the current light table?
08:52	Krock	(as we always had it until now)
08:54	LazyJ	Once the node definition for default:stone is loaded into memory, is the minetest.override_item of stone run each time after that or is the override incorporated into the instructions for stone already loaded in memory?
08:55	Zeno`	I think perhaps I didn't push?
08:55	LazyJ	As if the override were part of the original node definition of stone.
08:55	Krock	LazyJ, Lua does its job, executes the override function and tells minetest: "Hey, I'm ready, start it."
08:56	Zeno`	Sorry Calinou, I'd forgotten to push :/
08:56	LazyJ	So as far as Minetest is concerned, there aren't two definitions for stone?
08:56	Zeno`	Krock, 2.2 is not exactly the same as the current light_table
08:56	Krock	so the override function will only work while minetest isn't inited fully
08:57	Zeno`	range is now 0.3 to 6.0
08:57	Krock	Zeno`, from less then linear to extreme? :3
08:58	LazyJ	Ok, thanks, Krock ;)
08:58	Krock	np
08:58	Zeno`	well if someone wants all the midtones pretty dark (using 6) I guess they should be allowed hhehe
08:58	Zeno`	I'll probably put it back to max of 3-4 though (after testing)
08:58	Calinou	higher is lower, or lower is higher?
08:59	Calinou	:/
08:59	Krock	both.
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09:00	Zeno`	0.3 will make darks lighter
09:00	Calinou	I'm using gamma 1.1
09:00	Calinou	looks good
09:00	Calinou	default value should probably be 1.5
09:00	Calinou	if you keep the current way of how it works
09:01	Zeno`	Yeah, I'll keep tweaking
09:01	Calinou	also that option should be added to the options screen
09:01	Zeno`	I'm ok with any kind of default
09:01	Calinou	but add (requires restart) to the option name
09:01	Zeno`	as long as can adjust it :)
09:01	Zeno`	RBA, should light_table[0] always be 0, or some slightly higher value?
09:01	Zeno`	RealBadAngel ^^
09:02	Krock	index 0 is not 0 by default
09:02	Zeno`	yeah...
09:02	RealBadAngel	anything other than 0 will mean that textures will be visible in complete dark areas
09:03	Calinou	I found a gigantic dungeon
09:03	Calinou	complete darkness makes the game too horrific
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09:04	Zeno`	RealBadAngel, that's right and with a non-zero 0 (!!!) caves are as bright as day
09:04	Calinou	I'm playing with gamma 1.1 and looks good on my screen, but as most screens are calibrated better, default value should be 1.5 or so
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09:05	Zeno`	I'll try [0] as 8
09:05	Calinou	the old one was 8
09:05	RealBadAngel	and i found a giant apple ;) http://i.imgur.com/01eYCk7.png
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09:05	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/g/gpBjntMixbVk.png
09:06	RealBadAngel	quite big indeed
09:06	Zeno`	ok a new version pushed
09:06	RealBadAngel	the apple of mine is separate scene node
09:06	Zeno`	[0] is now always 8, middle values adjusted, and [14] is 255
09:06	RealBadAngel	not connected with mapblock mesh
09:07	Zeno`	lol @ apple
09:07	Zeno`	that's awesome
09:08	RealBadAngel	thats for highlighting and cracks in separate scene nodes and also for animated meshnodes
09:08	Zeno`	ok, I think I like this with gamma of about 1.3
09:10	Calinou	you should add to minetest.conf.example: Lower gamma values are brighter
09:14	Zeno`	ok
09:16	Zeno`	ok, final tweak and Calinou's suggestion just pushed
09:22	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/QlMGTeY.png
09:23	Zeno`	Calinou, I'm thinking maybe 1.5 is a better default now that you've mentioned it
09:23	Zeno`	carpet, Krock?
09:23	Calinou	keep 1.1 as minimum, 3 as maximum
09:23	Calinou	1.1 gives good visiblity, but is not OP either
09:23	Zeno`	1.1 you think?
09:23	Krock	Zeno`, compressed cobble
09:23	Zeno`	lol Krock
09:23	Zeno`	me checks 0.9
09:23	Calinou	compressed cobble makes sense
09:24	Calinou	9 cobble = 1 cobble that is harder to dig
09:24	Calinou	can be crafted into 9 cobble
09:24	Krock	sadly, they need all the same time to dig
09:24	Krock	*have the
09:24	Calinou	gonna add this to Carbone
09:24	Calinou	or More Blocks?
09:24	Zeno`	Calinou, 0.9 looks believable
09:25	Calinou	screenshot?
09:25	Calinou	my screen is dark, so I like bright values :)
09:25	Krock	Calinou, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=10746 better add this to carbone
09:25	Calinou	meh, I'll just roll my own into More Blocks
09:27	Zeno`	Calinou, http://i.imgur.com/U1I6KIB.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/jgmwvTi.jpg
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09:29	Zeno`	err I think I stuffed up lol
09:29	Zeno`	I think those were with 1.5... too many windows open
09:30	LazyJ	Zeno`, how are you able to get 62pfs?
09:31	LazyJ	*62fps
09:31	Zeno`	skill
09:31	LazyJ	Heh.
09:31	Krock	Zeno`, how are you able to have 0.1s lag?
09:32	LazyJ	My fps fluctuates between the teens up to 60.
09:32	Krock	my fps is limited to 30, t souldn't go higher anyway
09:32	Krock	*it wouldn't go
09:32	Zeno`	These are gamma 0.9:http://i.imgur.com/gT9p40w.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/6iEVLFQ.jpg a
09:32	LazyJ	If I'm facing an area with no animations, the fps is high. When I look at a forest of leaves, the fps nose-dives.
09:32	Zeno`	mine is wanted_fps = 62, max_fps = 62
09:32	Zeno`	Krock, are you serious about the lag?
09:32	Krock	LazyJ, yeah. I notice the same
09:33	Zeno`	it's a local server
09:33	Zeno`	LazyJ, I get the same
09:33	Zeno`	looking at jungle leaves, for example, FPS drops
09:33	LazyJ	Hmm... Ok. I haven't used those minetest.conf settings in a long while.
09:33	Zeno`	actually I like 0.9... that sunset looks nice
09:33	Zeno`	hehe
09:34	Krock	Zeno`, still. I get 5s lag on singleplayer.. somehow
09:34	Krock	ah. it decreases now the lua mapgen is finished
09:34	LazyJ	mHmm... I've had over 9 max_lag in my main singleplayer world but that one is an extra heavy-mod world.
09:35	Calinou	added compressed cobble to More Blocks & Carbone
09:35	Calinou	craft with 9 cobblestone
09:35	Calinou	(can be crafted back into 9 cobble)
09:35	Calinou	is hard to dig
09:36	Calinou	Zeno`, it is still hard to see at night :(
09:36	gravgun	Calinou, can you compress compressed cobble?
09:36	Calinou	nope
09:36	gravgun	No inception :(
09:36	gravgun	me sad
09:37	Krock	Calinou, next node: compressed water
09:38	Calinou	compressed air
09:38	Krock	too easy.
09:38	LazyJ	What's the idea behind compressed nodes (other than an other design block)?
09:38	Krock	compressed air sword
09:38	Krock	LazyJ, solidness
09:39	Calinou	harder to dig, lets you store more blocks in less space
09:39	LazyJ	Depending on the texture, it might be misinterpreted as gravel or river rock.
09:39	gravgun	Krock: a solid nitrogen sword would be at < -210°C, it'd actually hurt
09:39	Krock	Calinou, there should be a loss of 1 coble when de-compressing
09:39	LazyJ	Even tiles, as in a ceramic tiled floor.
09:43	Zeno`	Calinou, with what gamma?
09:43	Zeno`	I'll tweak some more
09:47	DFeniks	how can you physically compress stone 9 times ? would it undergo fusion or fission?
09:47	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/pEWmVcg.png
09:49	Krock	RealBadAngel, Y no font shadow?
09:50	LazyJ	If the letter stroke is too thin, shadowing can blur the legibility.
09:51	Zeno`	With my latest tweak a gamma of 1.2 gives light_table[0] a value of 10
09:51	LazyJ	I used to design commercial signs for over a decade.
09:51	LazyJ	Legibility was always a concern.
09:51	RealBadAngel	fonts? ive just added shaders for CAOs :P
09:53	Calinou	cool
09:54	Krock	RealBadAngel, ik. I don't know what to say about the shaders... I prefer a less intensive shader
09:57	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/Axo7Cmm.png
10:02	Krock	better IMO
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10:25	RealBadAngel	Krock, thats controlled with normalmaps_smooth setting
10:25	Zeno`	nice
10:25	RealBadAngel	that setting is here for half a yr already ;)
10:26	Zeno`	RealBadAngel, https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/15a3d59b6117d7b9e3735aca119cc0ad178d1da6   (updated)
10:26	Zeno`	I've never seen it before
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10:29	RealBadAngel	Krock, that setting is simply sampling step for textures
10:29	Zeno`	*shrug* I made it a PR. Sick of linking to my own repo hehe
10:30	RealBadAngel	Zeno`, why https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1967/files#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR81 ?
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10:32	Zeno`	mistake. I was originally initialising the light table in there
10:33	Zeno`	fixed. thanks :)
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11:54	* Krock	uploaded his experiment-box: https://github.com/SmallJoker/special
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12:10	Zeno`	updated again
12:11	Zeno`	now a gamma of 1.8 is exactly the same as the current light values
12:14	Krock	exactly? uhmm
12:14	Zeno`	yep
12:14	Zeno`	see the comment
12:15	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1967
12:15	Zeno`	oops one mistake
12:16	Zeno`	dang it
12:16	Zeno`	updating
12:18	Zeno`	fixed; I'll push in a few
12:18	Zeno`	gotta update the stupid comment heh
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12:26	Zeno`	done
12:26	Zeno`	RealBadAngel ^^^
12:27	Zeno`	personally I'll probably use a gamma of 1.5
12:28	Zeno`	after it gets accepted Krock can make a nice slider
12:28	Krock	slider..?
12:29	Zeno`	to adjust it from the settings menu :)
12:29	Zeno`	remember offering to do that?
12:30	Zeno`	You said it this morning while you were eating that cheese bread stuff
12:31	Zeno`	I distinctly remember
12:31	Krock	ye sure.
12:31	Krock	btw, funny thing, this view bobbing when going down a ladder :3
12:31	* Zeno`	wiggles his finger and does Jedi mind trick
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12:38	Zeno`	I know who Guest15184 is!
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14:46	catninja_	the most sinister mordor-mod thing. make a butcher knife and craft it with a tamed horse - get meat and a bloody butcher knife = a mutch better weapon
14:46	catninja_	MOHAHAHA
14:47	catninja_	(for the lord of the test game)
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14:57	LazyJ	Who maintains the lua_api.txt?
14:58	sol_invictus	LazyJ: a bunch of lunatics
14:58	LazyJ	I've run into the same problem several times now when working on mods.
14:58	LazyJ	The "function" is abbreviated to "func(enter stuff here)".
14:59	LazyJ	When I copy that from the lua_api.txt, I get crashes and errors pointing to curly braces missing or other things that completely miss what the originating problem is.
14:59	LazyJ	For example:
15:00	LazyJ	after_place_node = func(pos, placer, itemstack, pointed_thing),
15:00	LazyJ	Besides the comma at the end, the "func" will also crash Minetest without explanation from the error output to the terminal.
15:01	Zeno`	sol_invictus, settle down :P~~
15:01	LazyJ	That is the one abbreviation problem I've run into so far. How many other are their like it in the lua_api.txt?
15:01	LazyJ	Heh. Anybody tackling this code stuff of Minetest's is a bit looney. ;)
15:02	LazyJ	Cause and effect in most cases. :p
15:02	Zeno`	heh
15:03	LazyJ	So the fix is:
15:03	LazyJ	after_place_node = function (pos, placer, itemstack, pointed_thing)
15:04	Zeno`	Is that really a fix?
15:04	LazyJ	Well, Minetest is happy with it so far.
15:04	Zeno`	I'm not sure the intent of lua_api.txt is to show proper Lua syntax
15:04	LazyJ	It didn't crash.
15:05	LazyJ	When modders ask questions, they are often referred to the lua_api.txt.
15:06	Zeno`	Is there an error in it? (sorry, I can't tell from scrolling up)
15:06	LazyJ	If the only "official" reference modders have to look-up explanations, then bad explanations aren't helping.
15:06	LazyJ	Zeno`, the way it's printed at present:
15:06	LazyJ	after_place_node = func(pos, placer, itemstack, pointed_thing),
15:06	Zeno`	ok well it's an error
15:07	LazyJ	So if a modder follows that example, their mod will never work.
15:08	LazyJ	There are more bugs in Minetest than just the engine. ;)
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15:09	Zeno`	I can't see the typo >.>
15:09	MinetestBot	[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix typo in lua_api.txt 06207ac http://git.io/uGsvIA (2014-12-15T01:09:17+10:00)
15:10	LazyJ	Wait for it...
15:10	LazyJ	Wait for it....
15:10	Zeno`	yep, it all looks ok to me
15:10	LazyJ	Hey. Where's the double-Zeno` git post?
15:11	Zeno`	Decided it wasn't needed :)
15:11	LazyJ	:0)
15:12	LazyJ	However, the "typo" is more than just the errant comma at the end.
15:12	LazyJ	after_place_node = func(pos, placer, itemstack, pointed_thing),
15:13	LazyJ	after_place_node = function (pos, placer, itemstack, pointed_thing)
15:13	LazyJ	When I searched for "func(" in Gedit, it came up with 47 matches.
15:14	Zeno`	LazyJ, fix them and make a pull request :D
15:14	Zeno`	I don't like a space between function and the opening parenthesis though
15:14	LazyJ	Heh. Now here comes my cop-out... I don't know how to do a pull request.
15:14	LazyJ	Yet.
15:14	Zeno`	oh
15:15	Zeno`	well, you can learn
15:15	LazyJ	GitHub and I aren't on good terms.
15:15	sol_invictus	can the comma actually crash anything?
15:15	LazyJ	Not just the comma, the "func("
15:15	sol_invictus	yes, I got it
15:15	LazyJ	I'm working on a mod now.
15:15	sol_invictus	I mean the comma has nothing to do with the crash
15:16	LazyJ	I spent about 15 minutes bashing my forehead against the keyboard trying to figure out the cause of the error.
15:16	Zeno`	LazyJ, if you can't make a PR just make a text file with all the corrections in it and post it somewhere...
15:16	sol_invictus	if you are defining a function inside a definition you don't need the comma
15:16	jin_xi	commas or lack thereof are common source for lua questions
15:16	LazyJ	06:54:30: ERROR[main]: ...mods/fake_fire_2014_testing/fake_fire/modfiles/nodes.lua:190: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 165) near 'minetest'
15:17	Zeno`	unbalanced { and }
15:17	LazyJ	As it tuned out, the } wasn't the problem at all.
15:17	LazyJ	The problem was the "func(".
15:17	sol_invictus	yeah, I stumbled upon false errors several times too
15:18	LazyJ	The maddening part was that the { and } were balanced.
15:18	LazyJ	When I changed "func(" to "function (", Minetest was happy and loaded the test world.
15:19	Zeno`	things could be improved, I agree
15:19	LazyJ	The other reason I'm reluctant to make pull requests to the main parts of Minetest is that I'm a beginner at this code stuff.
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15:20	LazyJ	I'm not sure if what I find is even correct.
15:20	LazyJ	*what I come up with is even correct.
15:20	Zeno`	LazyJ, make a branch, make the changes and ask someone to review before you turn it into a PR then :)
15:21	Zeno`	I'm sure at least one person would be happy to review them before they become "official" pull requests
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15:22	Zeno`	And then when you're more confident you can bypass the "hey, can you look at this for me?"
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15:22	LazyJ	It will be a while for me. My last few bout's with GitHub and it's commands usually shot most of the afternoon just trying to figure out how to upload stuff.
15:23	Zeno`	LazyJ, I'm pretty sure somebody will be willing to help you with that also ;)
15:23	LazyJ	I tried git_gui and it ate my commit comments.
15:23	kaeza	greetings
15:23	LazyJ	o/ kaeza
15:23	Zeno`	greetings kaeza
15:24	Zeno`	kaeza, is that spanish translation good?
15:24	Zeno`	lol
15:24	Zeno`	I'm probably asking the wrong person :P
15:24	Zeno`	I mean, is it finished?
15:26	kaeza	Zeno`, it's ready for merge
15:26	Zeno`	LazyJ, if worse comes to worse just email me with fully updated files at the start
15:26	Zeno`	ok kaeza
15:29	LazyJ	Thanks, Zeno` ;)
15:30	LazyJ	I will step-up and figure out "branches" and "pull requests".
15:30	Zeno`	I'll only make a patch, change the name etc, the first few times though :P~~~ github isn't that hard once you get past the initial hurdle
15:30	Zeno`	LazyJ, yep. Make changes in branches
15:31	LazyJ	But before I take on that, I have to get other projects and chores done.
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15:38	exio4	amazing, I download a movie + the english subtitles
15:39	hoodedice	you wouldn't download a car
15:39	exio4	I would if I could
15:39	hoodedice	#3DPrinting
15:39	exio4	amazing, I download a movie + the english subtitles; and well, the english subs sucks
15:39	hoodedice	what did you expect?
15:40	exio4	so far most movies have nice english subtitles
15:40	exio4	this is like 80% complete
15:40	Zeno`	hoodedice, have you stopped picking up poop yet?
15:40	hoodedice	amazing, I download minetest + a mod; and well, the mod sucks
15:40	exio4	I can listen the last 20% easily
15:40	hoodedice	Zeno`: I never picked up poop to begin with
15:40	hoodedice	=)
15:40	Zeno`	hah! :)
15:41	hoodedice	drama happens often on the minetest forums, though, less often than last year
15:41	hoodedice	well, last year most of the people causing the drama forked minetest...
15:45	hoodedice	kaeza: someone is getting worried over mods not being up to date with minetest versions
15:45	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=10743&amp;view=unread#p164503
15:45	Zeno`	hoodedice, now that some time has passed since that happened are you more comfortable with the fork?
15:45	hoodedice	I haven't tested it in a long time
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15:45	hoodedice	And in any case, the fork's ideals are nice, but I like minetest's ideals more
15:46	hoodedice	And if you meant "comfortable with the people in the fork", I was never uncomfortable with them to begin eith
15:46	hoodedice	oh wait.
15:46	Zeno`	aha!
15:46	hoodedice	Another attempt at a loaded question, eh?
15:47	hoodedice	YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE
15:47	* Zeno`	goes back to the corner
15:49	Zeno`	forks are good IMO btw
15:49	hoodedice	I agree
15:50	hoodedice	kaeza: There is a bot on the forum
15:50	Jordach_	*cough* android fragmentation *cough*
15:50	hoodedice	why is there a bot on the forum
15:50	hoodedice	Jordach_: Biggest myth since UFOs
15:50	Jordach_	hoodedice, says all those chinese tablets and phones not running 5.x
15:50	Jordach_	(mostly running 4.1 or 4.2)
15:51	hoodedice	Jordach_: Android phones might be different, but they share common screen resolutions
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15:51	Jordach_	even my chinese tablet runs 4.1
15:51	hoodedice	Jordach_: That is the advantage of a free market
15:51	hoodedice	My HTC still runs 4.2, stuck on it
15:51	Jordach_	hoodedice, i'd quite like my android experience like my Windows Phone
15:51	hoodedice	Look at minetest
15:51	LazyJ	So this covers the guidelines for posting *new* mods, but what's the etiquette for posting forks?
15:51	LazyJ	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=1271
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15:51	Jordach_	consistent and on login automatically sets it to how i had it last
15:51	hoodedice	how many "chinese" clones of minetest are there?
15:52	Jordach_	XCraft XTest XBuilder
15:52	Jordach_	replace X with names like Mine, World
15:52	hoodedice	Windows phone sucks, and you should feel bad for even mentioning it here
15:52	hoodedice	all hail SailfishOS
15:52	Jordach_	says the one enjoying Googles adwares
15:52	hoodedice	I can choose not to
15:52	Jordach_	also, my battery lasts longer than a day, unlike your shiny droids
15:52	hoodedice	*deletes Google Play Services*
15:53	hoodedice	*cough* rooted *cough*
15:53	Jordach_	it'll just come back like the hydra
15:53	hoodedice	can your lousy windows overclock?
15:53	hoodedice	can it?
15:53	Nitori	*hands hoodedice some cough drops*
15:53	Jordach_	hoodedice, yes - but do you get Beta versions of the OS provided by the parent company
15:53	hoodedice	I can backport it
15:53	hoodedice	I have the freedom to
15:53	Jordach_	and without needing a developer license
15:54	hoodedice	My xperia x10 can run jellybean
15:54	Jordach_	hoodedice, you want to say a word to Cortana>
15:54	hoodedice	You wanna okay google?
15:54	hoodedice	even minetest bot okay googles
15:54	hoodedice	!g okay google
15:54	MinetestBot	hoodedice: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2940021?hl=en
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15:54	hoodedice	^BOOM.
15:54	Jordach_	i'd rather talk to a normal person instead of soundling like an idiot
15:55	hoodedice	normal person being your phone's AI
15:55	Calinou	hi
15:55	hoodedice	shh Calinou
15:55	Krock	[git] SmallJoker -> SmallJoker/simple_protection: Use new file to save global shared areas https:/ http://git.io/noLiNk (2014-12-14T16:56:03+01:00)
15:55	hoodedice	Totally minetest related things going on
15:55	* Calinou	puts hoodedice in compressed cobble
15:55	Calinou	Krock, black message on black screen here
15:55	hoodedice	^
15:55	Krock	dammit
15:56	* hoodedice	noclips out of compressed cobble
15:56	Calinou	use 00 colour code
15:56	Jordach_	i swear MinetestBot said that
15:56	hoodedice	^he said colour
15:56	hoodedice	with a "u"
15:56	hoodedice	I feel so happy
15:56	* Jordach_	pets Calinou
15:56	Krock	Calinou, why? then I see white on white
15:57	hoodedice	Krock, use grey
15:57	Calinou	or a colour code reset… does that exist on IRC?
15:57	Krock	k
15:57	Calinou	Jordach_, I'm used to typing /watercolour, /fogcolour, /lavacolour… thanks Cube 2
15:57	Krock	doesn't exist afaik
15:57	Calinou	yellowarmor, greenarmour
15:57	hoodedice	black BG with cyan text
15:57	Megaf	Hi all
15:57	hoodedice	hi Megaf
15:57	Megaf	Hi VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/issues/151
15:57	Megaf	!title
15:57	MinetestBot	Megaf: Missing homedecor:wood_table_large_s · Issue #151 · VanessaE/homedecor_modpack · GitHub
15:57	hoodedice	thanks MinetestBot
15:58	hoodedice	So I decided to try and learn minetest modding again
15:58	hoodedice	frankly, it is still beyond me
15:59	Jordach_	Java / C# scrub user alert
15:59	hoodedice	C# please, don't use the J-word around here
15:59	hoodedice	people tend to bark when they hear it
15:59	* Jordach_	goes to make a hot cup of 04Java
15:59	hoodedice	did he just?
16:00	hoodedice	I just wish minetest declared nodes as public static node dirt ()
16:01	hoodedice	abms would bee like public static ABM farmdirt (node dirt)
16:01	Jordach_	tables are easier to access and don't require constant name table look ups
16:01	hoodedice	I wish I knew what that meant
16:04	hoodedice	say, what do I use to override player physics?
16:04	* Calinou	compiled a Java program recently
16:04	hoodedice	found it, nevermind
16:04	hoodedice	ah, please show it to me Cal
16:04	kaeza	hoodedice, nuked
16:04	hoodedice	thanks kaeza
16:04	Calinou	also I'm part of Terasology's organisation on GitHub now (MovingBlocks)
16:04	Calinou	which is a Java game :D
16:05	hoodedice	ah
16:05	Calinou	hoodedice, this: http://neotextureedit.sf.net/
16:05	hoodedice	I could contrib to that, maybe
16:05	Calinou	I made a 0.6.5-devel build, which has some bug fixes built in
16:05	Calinou	that the 0.6.4 had
16:05	Calinou	the project is pretty much unmaintained
16:05	Krock	,09Why are ,07colors so ,11beautiful?
16:05	hoodedice	can you show the code cal?
16:05	Calinou	but it's very useful for making textures of any size
16:05	Calinou	I didn't touch the code
16:05	hoodedice	oh
16:05	Calinou	look at its Git repository
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16:07	Calinou	hoodedice, do you play chess?
16:07	hoodedice	no.
16:07	Calinou	ok, Jordach_, chess? :P
16:07	hoodedice	last time, I was merely bored
16:08	hoodedice	Calinou, can you point me to where the engine handles the animation? thanks
16:09	Calinou	animation of what, players?
16:09	hoodedice	movement animation of the player
16:09	Calinou	mods/default/player.lua
16:09	Calinou	and init.lua
16:09	hoodedice	thanks, so this is not engine side?
16:12	Jordach_	Calinou, no thanksa
16:13	Calinou	hoodedice, there is engine code used for predicting animations, but it's controllable in Lua
16:13	Calinou	some stuff is hardcoded though
16:13	hoodedice	hmm, I think I will see how far I can go with lua before I mess with engines
16:14	MinetestBot	[git] neoascetic -> minetest/minetest: Fixes #1687 by extra semaphore retval handle code for OSX a0ac471 http://git.io/WaOzig (2014-12-15T02:12:39+10:00)
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16:17	vtold	hi, server crashed and after restarting I cant loginin as client, any suggestions?
16:18	Calinou	vtold, what error message do you get?
16:18	Krock	restart server
16:18	vtold	restart doesnt anything
16:19	vtold	Calinou: I have only cruise as cursor and nothing else
16:19	Calinou	cruise?
16:20	vtold	+
16:20	vtold	I know english a little :)
16:21	hoodedice	I think he meant cross
16:21	vtold	in log is: couldnt load textures
16:21	vtold	ofcourse
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16:21	hoodedice	couldn't load textures shouldn't be a problem
16:22	hoodedice	server and client is same PC?
16:22	vtold	hoodedice: no but the same network
16:23	hoodedice	hmm, try restarting client
16:23	vtold	serwer is ok but client has no possibilty to play
16:23	vtold	tried
16:24	hoodedice	could be a port issue on client, is it running windows?
16:24	vtold	no it is not
16:24	vtold	before crash was ok
16:24	hoodedice	try connecting to game from server PC
16:24	vtold	crash was a hardware issue
16:25	hoodedice	power? could be a map file corruption
16:25	vtold	but serwer computer is ok
16:25	vtold	*server
16:25	hoodedice	did you try using a client on the server itself?
16:26	vtold	no, i'll try it
16:26	vtold	w8 for a moment pls
16:26	hoodedice	okay
16:26	Zeno`	Calinou, I updated the gamma thing again
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16:27	Zeno`	Calinou, now gamma 1.8 is the exactly the same as the hardcoded settings
16:27	hoodedice	Zeno`: How long did it take for you to study the source code before you started contributing?
16:28	Zeno`	hoodedice, I can't remember. Maybe a month or two... I was looking at it without intending to contribute at first
16:28	vtold	hoodedice: I've tried to login as clent at server comp but it fails
16:29	hoodedice	what error?
16:29	Zeno`	hoodedice, I didn't like main.cpp or game.cpp and when somebody said "nobody has done it because it's too hard" I got stubborn and just did it :)
16:29	vtold	it is only cross as cursor
16:29	hoodedice	Zeno`: How long have you been writing cpp code?
16:30	vtold	and hand :)
16:30	hoodedice	Calinou: I think we saw this error a while back, was it 0.4.9?
16:30	Zeno`	hoodedice, I've been programming in C for a long time. C++... hard to say (I was more a C programmer truth be told)
16:30	hoodedice	like, nothing would generate and the cursor was movable
16:30	hoodedice	vtold, and this world was working perfectly before the crash?
16:30	vtold	yes
16:31	hoodedice	vtold, you may have a corrupt map file
16:31	hoodedice	Try making a new world and test it
16:31	vtold	and server user is ok
16:31	Zeno`	I first learned C++ in 1995. It was a bit different back then, and then never used it much again until last year. But I've kept up with C since about, I dunno, 1992?
16:31	hoodedice	ah, so you're an old-ish programmer
16:31	Zeno`	yeah
16:31	hoodedice	these days, they're trying too hard to make programming too easy
16:32	vtold	new world is ok but i want that corrupted
16:32	hoodedice	like, teaching java in beginner college classes
16:32	vtold	I have to comps: with seven and suse
16:32	hoodedice	vtold: Unfortunately there is no way to get the corrupt world back =(
16:32	vtold	the seven one has power isssue
16:32	hoodedice	unless you have backups
16:33	Calinou	Zeno`, the default gamma should make stuff a bit brighter than it previously was
16:33	Calinou	previously, the whole game was too dark
16:33	Calinou	torch lights attenuated too suddenly
16:33	hoodedice	trust me, database corruption is everyone's real life boogeyman
16:33	vtold	but the world is going on server user ;(]
16:33	hoodedice	Sorry vtold, nothing we can do about it =(
16:34	hoodedice	you should keep backups of server files from now on out
16:34	vtold	ok, thanks for trying help me
16:35	vtold	I was hope I can edit some file to repair it
16:35	hoodedice	!next
16:35	MinetestBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
16:35	hoodedice	oh wat
16:35	hoodedice	this customer isn't satisfied
16:36	vtold	He is :)
16:37	Zeno`	Calinou, possibly, but I am taking the path of least resistance
16:37	Zeno`	1.5 is good IMO
16:37	Zeno`	hoodedice, my C "style" is basically object-oriented anyway, so C++ is not really an issue for me (except for the stuff I don't like)
16:38	hoodedice	I dunno, I have a love/hate relationship with object oriented
16:38	hoodedice	my programs are way too small for me to be defining two line methods (functions)
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16:39	hoodedice	but it is nice to see the main method (function) only three lines long
16:39	hoodedice	there is a kind of mathematical beauty in that
16:39	Zeno`	object-oriented is good, but... but... there is no real consensus on what "object-oriented" is anyway :)
16:39	hoodedice	I used to think that object oriented meant that you just try to get to a solution, no matter how you do it
16:40	hoodedice	hahaha
16:40	Zeno`	main() in MT will be < 20 lines long one day :)
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16:40	hoodedice	that day will be the release day of MT 1.0
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16:41	Zeno`	main.cpp is at the moment not much different to how it was... just split into functions (I decided when doing it to keep things kind of the same but easier to read; i.e. slow progression)
16:42	vtold	is there any tool to repir corrupted map?
16:42	vtold	*repair
16:42	Krock_	vtold, a sqlite3 editor - delete those mapblocks
16:43	vtold	Krock_: thx, i'll try it
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16:45	MinetestBot	[git] Calinou -> minetest/minetest: Update French translation df0ca45 http://git.io/XGz1kw (2014-12-15T02:44:48+10:00)
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16:49	Zeno`	Calinou, the idea of making 1.8 the same as current was to minimise complaints
16:49	Calinou	I doubt anyone will complain about a slightly brighter game
16:49	Zeno`	except for devs :)
16:50	Zeno`	changing default is easy though. If you find a better one, just suggest it ;)
16:51	hoodedice	I won't
16:51	hoodedice	I'll just turn down the brightness if too bright
16:51	hoodedice	How about you it configurable via options?
16:51	Zeno`	hoodedice, the display_gamma settings aren't that drastic :)
16:51	hoodedice	*make it
16:51	Zeno`	umm, yes that's what I've done
16:51	hoodedice	oh okay
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16:52	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1967
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16:55	Calinou	did you add gamma option to GUI?
16:55	Zeno`	Calinou, I don't know how :)
16:55	Calinou	it has to be done in Lua
16:56	Zeno`	if you add it to the settings dialog I'll make it a part of the PR (leaving your name as the person committing that part)
16:56	Krock_	look at the GUI scale
16:56	Krock_	GUI scale GUI
16:57	Zeno`	Yeah I know it has to be done in Lua... I'm just not confident enough to do that part myself so left it as a minetest.conf setting only
16:58	Zeno`	If it's added to the settings formspec I can easily update game.cpp to recognise a change
16:58	Krock_	ShadowBot: ping
16:58	ShadowBot	pong
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17:00	rubenwardy	Hi all!
17:05	hoodedice	hi rubenwardy
17:05	hoodedice	ShadowBot: help
17:05	ShadowBot	hoodedice: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
17:06	rubenwardy	ShadowBot: help
17:06	hoodedice	ShadowBot: help help
17:06	ShadowBot	hoodedice: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
17:06	rubenwardy	Yeah, I am still banned
17:06	hoodedice	TIL query with bots don't work
17:07	hoodedice	nvm, it does
17:07	Calinou	query and notice should work
17:08	hoodedice	yeah, I kept using it as "ShadowBot: help"
17:09	hoodedice	[ShadowBot] hoodedice has neutral karma.
17:09	hoodedice	[ShadowBot] Karma for "rubenwardy" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
17:09	rubenwardy	I did username/=0
17:10	rubenwardy	when the were doing username++
17:10	Zeno`	I need to convince the other devs that the gamma thing is a good idea, so if you like it please comment on the PR :P
17:11	rubenwardy	Explain what it is.
17:11	rubenwardy	* please
17:11	Calinou	it lets you change brightness of the game
17:11	Calinou	without tweaking the code, just with a minetest.conf setting
17:12	Calinou	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTg2Mjk
17:13	Calinou	:\
17:13	rubenwardy	Is that in game lightness (scaled node lighting), or rendered lightness (HUD is effected too)?
17:14	Zeno`	HUD should not be affected
17:14	rubenwardy	Looks like node lighting
17:14	Zeno`	"lightness" is a good approximate term; it's more like a light curve
17:15	Zeno`	because everybody's monitor is different I don't think a fixed light table is a good idea
17:15	Zeno`	and this solves that
17:16	Calinou	it does not affect your system, unlike other gamma-tweaking systems
17:18	hoodedice	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Gnz8bLAkI
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17:21	hoodedice	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJ-Pe0VVhY
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17:32	hoodedice	Calinou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RHLtx9r2LA /pun intended
17:33	Zeno`	night all
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17:35	Jordach_	wheres ShadowNinka
17:35	Jordach_	Ninja*
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17:36	rubenwardy	!seen ShadowNinja
17:36	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: shadowninja was last seen at 2014-11-20 21:13:32 UTC on #minetest
17:37	Calinou	https YouTube? :o
17:41	rubenwardy	"Forms don’t use pixels as co-ordinates, they use a grid, based on inventories. A size of (1, 1) means the form is big enough to host a 1x1 inventory."
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17:42	rubenwardy	Is that accurate / clear?
17:45	Calinou	sounds OK
17:45	Calinou	although I am not a formspec expert
17:46	rubenwardy	I've used them a lot
17:46	rubenwardy	capture the flag was very intensive
17:47	rubenwardy	(on Formspecs)
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17:47	DevilRomeo2	hia
17:47	DevilRomeo2	Hi guys
17:48	rubenwardy	Hello
17:48	DevilRomeo2	can somewone help me with my mod
17:48	DevilRomeo2	just started learning
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17:49	DevilRomeo2	minetest.register_tool("moswords:mastersword_sword",  {
17:49	rubenwardy	If you are posting more than 4 lines, use pastie.org
17:50	DevilRomeo2	ok
17:51	DevilRomeo2	minetest.register_tool("moswords:mastersword_sword",  {
17:51	DevilRomeo2	weird
17:52	rubenwardy	That isn't enough to make a tool.
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17:52	DevilRomeo2	minetest.register_tool("moswords:mastersword_sword",  {
17:52	rubenwardy	Have you seen the example here?
17:52	rubenwardy	http://dev.minetest.net/register_tool
17:52	DevilRomeo2	i saw
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17:52	DevilRomeo2	but it for pickaxe
17:52	DevilRomeo2	xD
17:53	DevilRomeo2	so my sword can damage 2 hearts what should i write
17:53	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/tools.lua#L261
17:54	Krock	gawd. had like 10s lag on IRC
17:54	rubenwardy	damage_groups = {fleshy=4}, I guess.
17:54	rubenwardy	Wow
17:55	DevilRomeo2	ah thanks
17:56	DevilRomeo2	wanted to make a mod call MoSwords mod includes 2 item mastersword and tzangetsu
17:56	Calinou	yet another useless mod :(
17:56	DevilRomeo2	i am just making for my own :P
17:57	DevilRomeo2	xD
17:57	DevilRomeo2	Hmm btw
17:58	DevilRomeo2	When does Lord of The Test gets new update it still need to fix bugs
17:58	DevilRomeo2	everytime i use master craft book i keep crashing
17:58	rubenwardy	idk who makes that
17:58	* Amaz	does.
17:59	Amaz	I'll have a look.
17:59	rubenwardy	fishWET
17:59	rubenwardy	fishyWET
17:59	rubenwardy	Interesting
18:00	DevilRomeo2	I wish somewone could make a pokemon mod xD
18:00	LazyJ	A Pokemon mod has been made but due to legal restrictions it was removed.
18:00	rubenwardy	Oh dear
18:00	DevilRomeo2	Why
18:00	Amaz	I get no error when I use it..
18:01	DevilRomeo2	Anywone played GunZ2
18:01	hoodedice	No.
18:02	hoodedice	LazyJ, rally?
18:02	hoodedice	*really?
18:02	rubenwardy	I imagine that the characters are heavily protected
18:02	LazyJ	thefamilygrog66 may have more info.
18:02	Calinou	“protected” :\
18:02	exio4	hai wild and nice people
18:03	Calinou	hi exio4
18:03	LazyJ	I'm trying to find the link I'm referring too.
18:03	Calinou	pokemon mods are silly anyway, they always get you into trouble…
18:03	DevilRomeo2	Its awsome talking to famous moderator and admins :P
18:03	DevilRomeo2	xD
18:03	DevilRomeo2	Naww their not troubles
18:03	DevilRomeo2	even adults playing it
18:03	Calinou	make a better universe, be more inventive
18:04	hoodedice	how about a realistic pet fighting mod?
18:04	hoodedice	*Oh my God*
18:04	DevilRomeo2	I perfer Third Person View
18:04	DevilRomeo2	Shooter
18:04	hoodedice	*kitten is evolving*
18:04	DevilRomeo2	plus better player animation
18:04	hoodedice	*kitten is now Cat*
18:04	hoodedice	*A wild raccoon has appeared*
18:04	Calinou	third person view distance was recently increased
18:04	Calinou	thanks to me :p
18:05	DevilRomeo2	Calinou
18:05	hoodedice	But right now I'm trying to make a speedrunning sub_game
18:05	hoodedice	keyword: trying
18:05	DevilRomeo2	can u make a mod that include Third Person better player animation wall walking dash parkour and guns combine them and they become GunZ
18:05	Calinou	no.
18:06	DevilRomeo2	Oh ok
18:06	DevilRomeo2	When will Minetest gets skin update
18:06	rubenwardy	Not as a Lua mod.
18:06	hoodedice	You can change skin yourself
18:06	DevilRomeo2	No
18:06	hoodedice	I think you can ruben
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18:06	hoodedice	Calinou said that animations are on lua side
18:06	Calinou	yes but…
18:06	DevilRomeo2	ah i see
18:07	Krock	animations are irrlicht-sided
18:07	Calinou	you can't create new animations in Lua
18:07	Amaz	There was a player head animations mod...
18:07	hoodedice	but, YOU DIDN'T SAY BUT
18:07	Calinou	(except with huge hacks)
18:07	DevilRomeo2	Btw
18:07	rubenwardy	You add it to the model
18:07	DevilRomeo2	i went into a server that involes Pokeball only xD
18:07	Calinou	using software like Blender, you make the models animations
18:07	rubenwardy	Nevermind "not as a lua mod", I read it wrong
18:07	hoodedice	well, after I add it, can I just call those animations using keyframes?
18:07	DevilRomeo2	Who watches Anime
18:08	hoodedice	DevilRomeo2: Please keep a single topic
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18:08	DevilRomeo2	xD alright
18:08	hoodedice	if you want to discuss anime go to an anime irc
18:08	hoodedice	thanks
18:08	hoodedice	one question at a time
18:08	DevilRomeo2	ok
18:08	hoodedice	how old are you?
18:08	DevilRomeo2	15
18:08	hoodedice	you can learn how to make mods yourself
18:08	hoodedice	!dev
18:08	DevilRomeo2	Just a lil
18:09	hoodedice	MinetestBot!
18:09	MinetestBot	hoodedice!
18:09	rubenwardy	Check back here in a month, DevilRomeo2 XD http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc
18:09	rubenwardy	There will be a nice book there
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18:09	rubenwardy	I started programming when I was 11. 15 is sufficient.
18:10	DevilRomeo2	My parents always tought i have no special talent obivously i have 2 special talent 1 is awsome at swearing 2nd is going to learn some codding xD
18:10	hoodedice	to program with games you need to know some trig
18:10	rubenwardy	Don't code, program.
18:10	Calinou	not always, hoodedice
18:10	DevilRomeo2	Btw
18:10	hoodedice	make sure to take an advanced math class in high school if you want to code, it will help
18:10	DevilRomeo2	Amaz
18:10	Calinou	hoodedice, it isn't a strict requirement
18:11	DevilRomeo2	Oh
18:11	DevilRomeo2	But
18:11	Calinou	being good in math is important if you're 12 or so
18:11	Calinou	but if you're 18… not really…
18:11	hoodedice	Calinou: how do you turn a car?
18:11	DevilRomeo2	Well
18:11	gravgun	Calinou: on adv math, not required but helps
18:11	Calinou	see boats mod code, hoodedice?
18:11	hoodedice	checking
18:11	Calinou	;)
18:11	DevilRomeo2	on my Final Exam i score math C when i was 12
18:11	Amaz	Yep?
18:11	Calinou	you rotate by some math.pi() multiplier
18:12	DevilRomeo2	I always dreaming about being a developer
18:12	rubenwardy	coding is easy. Programming is hard.
18:12	gravgun	Calinou, no quaternions for the car?
18:12	Calinou	nope…
18:12	Calinou	or does it work differently from boat?
18:12	gravgun	awwwww
18:12	hoodedice	okay, but line 20: local x = -math.sin(yaw) * v
18:12	DevilRomeo2	I wanted to create a MMOTPSRPG Combines Third Person Shooter and Role Playing
18:12	hoodedice	> math.sin
18:12	hoodedice	> sin
18:12	Calinou	“Euler angles are PURE EVIL, so why not use quaternions?” —Minetest code comment
18:12	Calinou	hoodedice, uh, why not pi
18:12	hoodedice	Unity uses quaternions
18:13	DevilRomeo2	Well better get back to codding
18:13	gravgun	Euler angles = gimbal lock = hell
18:13	Calinou	by the way, why do Euler angles occasionally fail?
18:13	Calinou	I can't imagine that myself in head
18:13	gravgun	It's hard to figure, but you get it once you try to make a 3D object rotate on all axes "evenly"
18:14	rubenwardy	Matrices!
18:14	gravgun	\o/
18:14	hoodedice	Because EUclidean geometry failed?
18:14	gravgun	rubenwardy, I'm learning on how to compute them in adv math class...
18:14	gravgun	I eat the calculus
18:14	hoodedice	I am over calc
18:15	hoodedice	I can take one more course if I want
18:15	rubenwardy	Matrices are used to explain rotations
18:15	hoodedice	I know matrices already
18:15	gravgun	And as a side effect, all transforms...
18:15	Calinou	I learned transforms thanks to NeoTextureEdit \o/
18:15	Calinou	(but don't ask me how)
18:15	hoodedice	quick!
18:15	gravgun	I learned transforms thanks to OpenGL programming
18:16	hoodedice	Calinou is displaying signs of...
18:16	DevilRomeo2	btw should i add crafting below the tool i codded
18:16	hoodedice	JAVAititus.
18:16	rubenwardy	Doesn't matter
18:16	rubenwardy	I usually do
18:16	DevilRomeo2	crafting will be good
18:16	gravgun	QUICK FLEE
18:16	gravgun	JAVA
18:16	hoodedice	get him to the decompiler, stat!
18:16	Calinou	Javhate…
18:16	DevilRomeo2	give me that crafting code guide now xD
18:17	hoodedice	!dev intro
18:17	MinetestBot	No such page.
18:17	hoodedice	what?!
18:17	hoodedice	!dev Intro
18:17	gravgun	:<
18:17	MinetestBot	"Minetest has a scripting API (Application Programming Interface), which is used to program mods (short for "modifications") for the game, extending its features and adding new items." - http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
18:17	DevilRomeo2	thx
18:17	hoodedice	^see this one, Devil
18:17	rubenwardy	That will be replaced with my book soon. XD
18:17	DevilRomeo2	xD
18:17	hoodedice	hopefully
18:17	hoodedice	but ruben
18:17	hoodedice	you explained overriding
18:17	DevilRomeo2	Btw have you guys ever be a staff of any minecraft or minecraft pe server
18:17	Calinou	rubenwardy's book: 100 % approved by Twilight Sparkle
18:17	hoodedice	without explaining overriding
18:18	rubenwardy	lol
18:18	hoodedice	like, you need to explain *why* you are overriding
18:18	hoodedice	tbh, you went to te advanced topics too quick
18:18	Calinou	DevilRomeo2, used to (I hosted my own server), but I no longer play Minecraft.
18:18	gravgun	DevilRomeo2: MC/PE? We have MT for that!
18:18	hoodedice	just my two cents
18:18	rubenwardy	Overriding allows you to: * Create an item in another mod’s namespace. * Override an existing item.
18:19	hoodedice	what is a "mod namespace"
18:19	rubenwardy	Do you mean the second point
18:19	rubenwardy	I see
18:19	rubenwardy	Will fix
18:19	Calinou	explain what a namespace is
18:19	Calinou	name… spaaaaaaace!
18:19	gravgun	namespace Minetest {}
18:19	hoodedice	^hah
18:19	rubenwardy	My brain is ruined
18:19	gravgun	brain--;
18:19	DevilRomeo2	i am Minecraft Pocket Edition APLUS CRAFT Most strictfull CHATMOD XD cause i am the ussaly strict over there a single grief easy detect who place the block and give him an ip ban simple :D
18:19	hoodedice	I will try to learn modding asap so I can help you out
18:20	rubenwardy	Whenever I see 'colon', I don't think of the punctuation.
18:20	hoodedice	we see line endings;
18:20	hoodedice	double no longer means 2 *, it means decimals
18:21	hoodedice	programming as ruined me
18:21	hoodedice	*has
18:21	rubenwardy	I think of the body part. Too much cancer education.
18:21	gravgun	<body> ?
18:22	Calinou	underlined fish: ≥≤≥
18:22	rubenwardy	http://workfunc.com/differences-between-programmers-and-coders/
18:22	DevilRomeo2	easy way xD
18:22	hoodedice	shhh
18:22	DevilRomeo2	i gonna add smelt recipe
18:22	DevilRomeo2	opps sorry
18:23	hoodedice	~= == not equal to
18:23	hoodedice	> lua
18:23	Calinou	â‰
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18:23	Calinou	if you press backspace after typing that character, it turns into a =
18:23	rubenwardy	callback or call back?
18:23	rubenwardy	hmm
18:23	gravgun	"Why not both?"
18:23	Calinou	callback
18:23	Calinou	it is a word
18:24	rubenwardy	Yes, it is callback. According to wikip
18:24	gravgun	yup
18:24	hoodedice	callback as in minetest.get?
18:25	rubenwardy	!g callback
18:25	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_(computer_programming)
18:25	rubenwardy	As in event
18:25	* Krock	had read advent first..
18:27	hoodedice	> opens spotify album
18:27	hoodedice	> first song of album is intro, and merges with second song
18:27	hoodedice	> first song about to be over, epic merge incoming
18:27	hoodedice	> 3... 2... 1...
18:27	hoodedice	> JUST HOW MUCH FLAVOR IS IN THIS CAN OF PEPSI MAX
18:28	hoodedice	> MFW
18:28	Calinou	that's why Spotify sucks, full of ads
18:28	hoodedice	All the lights in the Sky by Area 11
18:29	hoodedice	welp, at least it is legal and free
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18:30	DevilRomeo2	guys
18:31	rubenwardy	Why are the checkboxes on mod configure actually radio boxes?
18:31	DevilRomeo2	should i add crafting recipe below each tool or after all tool
18:31	rubenwardy	Might I want to hide mp content and game mods?
18:31	hoodedice	wherever you want devil
18:31	hoodedice	shouldn't make a difference
18:31	hoodedice	wait
18:32	DevilRomeo2	ok
18:32	hoodedice	no, put it after you define all the nodes
18:32	Calinou	DevilRomeo2, in a separate file, called crafting.lua
18:32	hoodedice	and tools
18:32	Calinou	define nodes in nodes.lua
18:32	Calinou	and tools in tools.lua
18:32	Calinou	to load them, add dofile() instructions in init.lua
18:32	hoodedice	I should stop giving tips to modders.
18:32	Calinou	a good way to do them:
18:32	Calinou	DevilRomeo2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9518602/
18:33	Calinou	replace moreblocks with your mod name
18:33	Calinou	and change the file names accordingly
18:33	DevilRomeo2	well my swords code are currently on init lua
18:33	Calinou	move it to tools.lua
18:33	DevilRomeo2	ok
18:33	Calinou	and in init.lua, add the code above (which you will edit)
18:34	DevilRomeo2	k
18:34	Calinou	you will probably have this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9518609/
18:35	DevilRomeo2	Thanks Calinou and Hoodedice you guys help me alot
18:35	Calinou	a lot*
18:35	Calinou	no problem :)
18:36	DevilRomeo2	just 1 stupid question
18:36	Calinou	ask it
18:36	DevilRomeo2	what is the nodes uses for
18:36	DevilRomeo2	and what codes in it
18:36	LazyJ	When posting a fork of a mod, is it better to post it in the original mods' thread or start a new thread?
18:38	DevilRomeo2	silent all suddenly
18:38	DevilRomeo2	xD
18:39	LazyJ	When LazyJ speaks, all tremble in silence!... or just ignore me. :0)-
18:40	DevilRomeo2	Calinou plz answer my question D:
18:40	Calinou	nodes = blocks
18:40	Calinou	LazyJ, start a new thread if changes are significant
18:40	Krock	noes != blocks
18:40	Krock	+d
18:40	Calinou	nodes are what you would call “blocks” in Minecraftg
18:41	Calinou	-g
18:41	DevilRomeo2	But i din't even create a block
18:41	LazyJ	Ok. Thanks, Calinou ;)
18:41	Calinou	then don't add nodes.lua
18:41	DevilRomeo2	Altough i did one on my test mod
18:41	DevilRomeo2	Thanks again
18:41	Krock	use blocks.lua for blocks and nodes.lua for nodes...
18:41	Krock	not sure how you could register a block..
18:41	Krock	+.
18:41	DevilRomeo2	minetest.register_node
18:42	Krock	that registers a node :3
18:42	DevilRomeo2	screw my memory xD
18:44	Calinou	http://dev.minetest.net
18:44	Calinou	developer wiki has lots of documentation on all available methods
18:50	DevilRomeo2	calinou
18:51	DevilRomeo2	what if i wanted to make a crafting for master sword stick on lowest middle 2 coal on top of it like ussaly sword crafting but 4 iron ignots each side of the coal
18:52	Calinou	you can't make a recipe require several items in one slot
18:52	DevilRomeo2	ugh hard to explain
18:53	DevilRomeo2	normal sword crafting stick coal coal then add 4 iron ignots each side :P
18:53	hoodedice	!dev Intro
18:53	MinetestBot	"Minetest has a scripting API (Application Programming Interface), which is used to program mods (short for "modifications") for the game, extending its features and adding new items." - http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
18:53	hoodedice	^read this
18:54	DevilRomeo2	XD why do i always ended up with same link lol
18:57	DevilRomeo2	the crafting recipe really confuses me
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19:06	DevilRomeo	lost connection
19:09	kaeza	try running `locate connection` or `find / -name 'connection' -type f` in a terminal
19:09	kaeza	<_<
19:16	rubenwardy	http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc/chapters/formspecs.html
19:16	rubenwardy	Hmmm.
19:16	rubenwardy	Needs more polish. Am I missing anything?
19:16	rubenwardy	Oh, formspecs in meta
19:17	hoodedice	brb
19:17	DevilRomeo	ok done crafting codding
19:18	DevilRomeo	xD used the smelt way smelt iron sword into furnace to create zangetsu and smelt diamond sword to furnace to create mastersword
19:21	rubenwardy	Overriding allows you to: * Redefine an existing item. * Use an item string with a different modname.
19:21	rubenwardy	:S
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19:22	DevilRomeo	Well time to test mod but first texture
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19:24	exio4	kaeza, that would ... work! >:D
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19:36	DevilRomeo	YAY MY MOD WORKS Except for 2 bugs if it on creative mode every time i open inventory it crashed plus need to change texture of zangetsu
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19:50	RealBadAngel	Jordach_, here?
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19:57	DevilRomeo	NUUU CALINOU
19:57	DevilRomeo	Q,Q
19:57	DevilRomeo	i was gonna ask her to fix my mod
20:07	Jordach_	RealBadAngel, ya
20:07	RealBadAngel	Jordach see #1971
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20:08	Jordach_	RealBadAngel, one major flaw
20:08	Jordach_	CAOs are not shaded unlike blocks and meshnodes
20:08	Jordach_	they look out of place
20:08	Jordach_	(also, consider giving them goddamn wielditems shading too)
20:09	RealBadAngel	Jordach, since they do move, makin them have static shades would look awful imho
20:10	RealBadAngel	nodes do not move, so we can use there such trick
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20:15	Jordach_	RealBadAngel, shadeless entities look like SHIT
20:15	Jordach_	we may have not even bothered with shading in the first place
20:22	RealBadAngel	Jordach_, without real light sources it doesnt make any sense. because the shading will be static
20:25	Wuzzy	Quick question: Is a Minetest release on the way right now?
20:25	kaeza	Wuzzy, it is in feature freeze, which means it will be released unless major bugs exist
20:26	kaeza	AFAIK, the release will be around december 24
20:26	Jordach_	RealBadAngel, it will just feel better
20:26	Wuzzy	OK
20:26	Jordach_	AFAIK MC does the same thing too
20:26	Jordach_	slight shading is better than no shading at all
20:27	Wuzzy	Damn it, this also means there is no more chance the tutorial is included in 0.4.11 :(
20:28	kaeza	Wuzzy, if it is stable, there may be a chance, but I'm no dev, so you better ask on #minetest-dev
20:28	kaeza	RealBadAngel, can't you shade entities via shaders, just assuming the sun is directly above the entity?
20:29	RealBadAngel	Jordach_, noting is shaded by shaders, thats simple code in mapblock_mesh, based on surfaces normals
20:29	RealBadAngel	this is just makin faces darker
20:29	RealBadAngel	and it is NOT done by shaders
20:30	RealBadAngel	its goddam fake
20:31	kaeza	I'm not talking about adding real light sources. I talk about darkening faces based on the angle between the normal and "up"
20:31	kaeza	still better than fullbright
20:32	RealBadAngel	i could do that with shaders propably, but then it wont be aviable without them
20:33	kaeza	it is a start; it can be done "correctly" later on
20:33	kaeza	unless you are already working on a Proper Wayâ„¢, that is :)
20:39	RealBadAngel	that will be possible at some point in the future
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20:39	ArguablySane	hi
20:39	RealBadAngel	theres still lotsa to do before that can happen
20:39	kaeza	hello ArguablySane
20:40	ArguablySane	Does anyone know about the update_liquids() function in voxelmanip?
20:40	Jordach_	RealBadAngel, normal based ones are fine for now
20:40	Jordach_	much better than a partially transparent texture using t1.png^t2.png
20:40	ArguablySane	It doesn't seem to cause water sources to start flowing when run during mapgen.
20:42	kaeza	ArguablySane, that question may be best suited for #minetest-dev
20:42	kaeza	assuming my engrish makes the least amount of sense
20:44	ArguablySane	Your English is fine.
20:44	ArguablySane	I'll get a proper IRC client and go and ask over there then, thanks
20:44	kaeza	ArguablySane, though, you'll need to use a real IRC client (like HexChat, http://hexchat.org), as webchat is banned due to spamming/flooding
20:55	marktraceur	Well, I succeeded in creating a commodities market in Minetest. Now I just need to write a cocaine mod and the simulation will be complete.
20:55	marktraceur	I can just straight up live Wolf of Wall Street.
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21:12	thefamilygrog66	How can I add a snow node (or sand node) and have it fall, as opposed to hang in mid-air?
21:16	shadowzone	add falling_node=1  into groups
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21:18	thefamilygrog66	thanks shadowzone
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21:22	thefamilygrog66	falling_node=1 is already in default:snow groups
21:23	thefamilygrog66	I'd like to register an abm that adds default:snow above the ground and have it fall there, not hang in mid-air
21:23	thefamilygrog66	any ideas?
21:24	thefamilygrog66	currently, it falls if I break a node next to it, but otherwise it doesn't
21:24	paramat	erm
21:25	paramat	use 'dig_node' on an adjacent air node? that will update the snow and make it fall
21:25	thefamilygrog66	ah, thanks paramat - I'll try that
21:26	paramat	it hs to be 'dig node' not 'remove node'
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21:27	paramat	*has
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21:30	paramat	or you could even add the snow with 'place node' instead of 'add/set node', that might be simpler
21:32	kaeza	nodeupdate() handles these things
21:34	thefamilygrog66	dig_node doesn't seem to be doing it, I'll try noupdate()
21:34	thefamilygrog66	or place_node
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21:41	paramat	ah nodeupdate yes, i think that also doesn't print a terminal message, so better
21:43	thefamilygrog66	weird, place_node works only if I do it 2 nodes above the already fallen snow
21:43	thefamilygrog66	but not the node above it
21:46	paramat	if nodeupdate works, the cleanest way is 'add node' then 'nodeupdate'
21:47	thefamilygrog66	I will try that
21:49	PilzAdam	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1967#issuecomment-66920075 wtf are "dark screens"?
21:49	PilzAdam	I guess they work with shadows instead of light?
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21:53	thefamilygrog66	nodeupdate(pos) works perfectly, thanks
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22:46	ripper93	Hello people, I want to host a updated minetest server on my raspberry pi using the raspbian distro, but I couldn't compile the last source bare server
22:47	ripper93	the version in the official repo is the 0.3.1,
22:48	ripper93	someone know how I can compile the lastest version on raspberry pi?
22:48	ripper93	is a debian wheezy
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22:54	kaeza	ripper93, can you pastebin the compiler errors?
22:55	ripper93	one minute please
23:00	ripper93	http://paste.debian.net/136560/
23:00	ripper93	here it is
23:04	kilbith	it miss some dependances
23:05	ripper93	I think I can't have some of these packages, because of the old debian version I'm using on the rpi
23:06	ripper93	I dont have doxygen
23:06	kilbith	you can, use the -dev packages
23:06	ripper93	oh
23:06	ripper93	sorry, I see it now
23:07	kilbith	aptitude search *package name*
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23:10	ripper93	the only problem now is this IRRLICHT
23:10	ripper93	let me search it
23:11	PilzAdam	ripper93, http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Building_without_Irrlicht_.2F_X_dependency
23:11	PilzAdam	you don't need to install Irrlicht if you just want a server
23:11	PilzAdam	you just need the irrlicht header files
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23:13	hisforeverkid	Hi dose anybody know of a Christmas lights mod?
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23:14	goofybud16	http://google.com
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23:26	hisforeverkid	I would really like this Christmas_craft mod to work can I get some help Please? http://pastie.org/9780699
23:28	Wuzzy	To whoever manages the Minetest Weblate platform at <http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/>: It is broken (Error 502 Bad Gateway).
23:28	kaeza	Wuzzy, it has been for quite some time
23:29	Wuzzy	Is there any chance this gets fixed or will it just rot away now? ;)
23:29	kaeza	if you need to update the translation, you'll have to do it the old fashioned way (clone the MT repo, edit po/<lang>/minetest.po, commit, push, pull request)
23:29	Wuzzy	sure
23:30	Wuzzy	no problem with that, I’m just informing you because the dev wiki told me to use Weblate lol
23:30	kaeza	there has been some talk about bringing weblate back again, but there's no one to host it IIRC
23:30	Wuzzy	who managed it, anyways?
23:31	kaeza	xyz
23:34	kaeza	hisforeverkid, looks like christmas_craft is using a weird directory structure in the archive. you'll have to move `christmas_craft-2.0/christmas_craft` to `mods/` (then delete `christmas_craft-2.0`)
23:34	hisforeverkid	Has anybody gotten the Christmas+craft mod to run?
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23:44	hisforeverkid	I have christmas_crafts-o.1 I do bot see a 0.2 for tghat mod?
23:45	kaeza	there's a 0.2 version on the bitbucket page ( https://bitbucket.org/kingarthursteam/christmas_craft/downloads )
23:46	hisforeverkid	ty Kaeza
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23:52	kaeza	sure :)
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