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Wayward_One |
AgentFire: VE-Creative, VE-Survival, Finerealms, and I *think* MG-Nore are the only ones I know of at the moment |
00:05 |
AgentFire |
Okay, although don't you need to ask for interact on VE survival? |
00:06 |
Wayward_One |
Yes, but I believe there are a few admins available right now |
00:07 |
AgentFire |
Alright |
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crazyR |
any forum admins/moderators online? |
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kaeza |
crazyR, yes? |
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Thenextlevel |
wrong chat |
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crazyR |
kaeza: could your remove this topic for me, id like to start a fresh one, due to how long the server has been down for. https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&f=10&p=145550 |
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kaeza |
crazyR, sure. if you need to copy anything from it, do so now |
00:53 |
kaeza |
or should I trash it right away? |
00:53 |
crazyR |
feel free to trash it ive copied what i need :) thanks |
00:54 |
kaeza |
okay, done |
00:54 |
kaeza |
no probs |
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CriminalWater |
VanessaE: Can I have interact on your survival server? |
01:57 |
kaeza |
CriminalWater, did you already login there? if so, what is your in-game-name? |
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CriminalWater |
kaeza: I am AgentFire on there |
02:24 |
kaeza |
AgentFire, done |
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DFeniks |
what i need to install to get curl? |
02:42 |
DFeniks |
CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND |
02:42 |
DFeniks |
CURL_LIBRARY = CURL_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND |
02:42 |
kaeza |
sudo apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
02:42 |
DFeniks |
CURL_DLL = |
02:43 |
kaeza |
or whatever the equivalent for your distro is |
02:43 |
DFeniks |
ok i will try |
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Ch98 |
How long is the in game day? |
02:56 |
LazyJ |
Default is about a 20 minute cycle. |
02:56 |
LazyJ |
Some servers have their day/night cycles set to 12hrs. |
02:56 |
LazyJ |
Others may have the cycle stopped to all-time day. |
02:57 |
Ch98 |
Ok thanks! |
02:57 |
LazyJ |
yw ;) |
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04:56 |
DFeniks |
with nouveau driver on this old card mx 440 textures in inventory look weird |
04:58 |
DFeniks |
if i compiled on 10.10 ubuntu i at least can see them but more transparent than needed . but compiled on 14.04 they invisible |
04:59 |
DFeniks |
i wonder whats the cause |
05:00 |
DFeniks |
different compiler or maybe some library |
05:02 |
DFeniks |
ah , i will try to compile with bundled irrlicht |
05:04 |
DFeniks |
my mistake its not bundled . but anyway |
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DFeniks |
oh its only server that i can build without irrlicht ... |
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FreeFull |
Yeah, the server doesn't need 3D graphics |
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MrNomNom111 |
#minetest-mod |
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cg72 |
https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Use setting groups for NoiseParams 68c799b http://git.io/zFmHBw (2014-12-02T04:03:37-05:00) |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: ^^^^^^ those need to have an automatic timeout of like 6 hours or something |
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paramat |
cg72 that's sweet =} |
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shadowzone |
What? |
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14:44 |
VanessaE |
[12-02 03:24] <cg72> https://github.com/crazyginger72/love_mod |
14:44 |
VanessaE |
maybe this? |
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someguy_irc |
shadowzone, xD |
14:50 |
shadowzone |
OH |
14:50 |
* shadowzone |
reads the readme |
14:50 |
shadowzone |
O_O] |
14:50 |
someguy_irc |
.. |
14:50 |
someguy_irc |
: |
14:50 |
someguy_irc |
lol |
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jalmeida |
hi, how to create user to play minetest ? |
15:01 |
VanessaE |
you just play. |
15:01 |
VanessaE |
minetest doesn't use a central registration site or any such thing |
15:02 |
VanessaE |
you just go to the "Singleplayer" tab and create a new world and click "play", or select a server in the "Client" tab and fill in a name and password. make up a new name and password right then and there if you need to. remember them. |
15:02 |
jalmeida |
but he asks login and pass, |
15:03 |
VanessaE |
Minetest does not ask for a login and password for singleplayer use. |
15:03 |
shadowzone |
VanessaE: I see the item textures has been removed |
15:04 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: are you trying to play on a server somewhere? |
15:04 |
VanessaE |
shadowzone: do what? |
15:04 |
shadowzone |
The item textures in recent git |
15:04 |
VanessaE |
shadowzone: I don't understand your statement. Please clarify :) |
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jalmeida |
no , dont play |
15:05 |
shadowzone |
They removed item textures so no more yelling at people to turn it off before join VE-S |
15:06 |
shadowzone |
*joining |
15:06 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: then just click on the "Singleplayer" tab at the top of the Minetest window, and then select a world to play in, or create a new one and play there. |
15:06 |
VanessaE |
no username/password are needed for this |
15:06 |
jalmeida |
the game starts, but you can not do anything |
15:06 |
VanessaE |
shadowzone: you mean "preload item visuals" |
15:06 |
shadowzone |
Yes |
15:07 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: can you reproduce the problem and take a screenshot of it please? |
15:07 |
jalmeida |
yep |
15:07 |
* shadowzone |
configures her phones email |
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jalmeida |
http://ibin.co/1jGEkLyrnaCJ |
15:12 |
jalmeida |
http://ibin.co/1jGEy5iB66BH |
15:12 |
shadowzone |
oooooohhhh |
15:12 |
shadowzone |
You're using a outdated version |
15:12 |
jalmeida |
i get the game from ubuntu market |
15:12 |
shadowzone |
yeah.. |
15:13 |
shadowzone |
go to https://www.minetest.net/download |
15:13 |
shadowzone |
scroll down and look for downloads for ubuntu/linux mint |
15:13 |
shadowzone |
click the very top on |
15:13 |
shadowzone |
*one |
15:13 |
VanessaE |
oh goodness |
15:13 |
VanessaE |
0.3.1? |
15:13 |
shadowzone |
XD |
15:13 |
VanessaE |
that's ollllllllllllllllllllllllddddddddd |
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SergioAD |
Hello |
15:14 |
jalmeida |
is possible i help developer he ? |
15:14 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: just uninstall minetest from the Ubuntu Store and go get it from minetest.net like shadowzone said. |
15:14 |
SergioAD |
I am making my own Minetest game but I have not all the stairs, what can I do? |
15:14 |
shadowzone |
or you can compile it |
15:14 |
VanessaE |
sebastian: get Calinou's moreblocks |
15:15 |
VanessaE |
damn it |
15:15 |
VanessaE |
SergioAD: ^^^^^^^^^ |
15:15 |
SergioAD |
I have the Carbone's ones (yes I am basing mysellf on Carbone) but I have not the default ones |
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jalmeida |
i have knoleged about developement |
15:15 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: don't worry about development |
15:15 |
VanessaE |
jalmeida: get this: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
15:16 |
VanessaE |
uninstall minetest, add that ^^^^^^^ PPA, install minetest. |
15:16 |
VanessaE |
you will have 0.4.10 then. |
15:16 |
* shadowzone |
installed 0.3.1 for testing |
15:16 |
SergioAD |
VanessaE: my game will get some elements from the default game and some others from Carbone |
15:16 |
VanessaE |
SergioAD: Carbone IS the default game, with tweaks |
15:16 |
VanessaE |
(basically) |
15:16 |
SergioAD |
I know it but I have not the default stairs and this is so strange friend :D |
15:17 |
VanessaE |
SergioAD: well you can grab the "stairs" mod from minetest_game if it's not already in Carbone |
15:17 |
VanessaE |
but I can't say that it'll work or not |
15:17 |
VanessaE |
hm |
15:17 |
SergioAD |
Ok |
15:17 |
VanessaE |
it's already in there |
15:17 |
VanessaE |
maybe moreblocks disables the old stairs recipes |
15:18 |
SergioAD |
I have removed Moreblocks |
15:18 |
VanessaE |
D: |
15:18 |
SergioAD |
consumes lots of RAM and we are not sure to get a fluid generation |
15:19 |
SergioAD |
sometimes when I used moreblocks the game generation was chaotic |
15:19 |
SergioAD |
so I have removed it |
15:19 |
VanessaE |
it should not do that |
15:19 |
SergioAD |
I think I will use the default stairs mod |
15:19 |
VanessaE |
I've never had moreblocks do that, in fact |
15:20 |
SergioAD |
VanessaE: 1 GB of RAM here |
15:20 |
VanessaE |
that's enough. |
15:20 |
VanessaE |
don't try to run Dreambuilder in that, though ;) |
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VanessaE |
(you'll need about 2GB for that game) |
15:22 |
SergioAD |
yes, this is why I do not use Moreblocks |
15:24 |
Megaf_ |
Hi all |
15:24 |
SergioAD |
and I have promesed to release this game soon |
15:24 |
Megaf_ |
so, I made come new cubes, Id like now to add a frame to them, what line to I add the init.lua? |
15:25 |
SergioAD |
Hello Megaf_ |
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SergioAD |
another question wich image name is the chest backgrounds? |
15:31 |
SergioAD |
I want turn it back to the transparent black one |
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SergioAD |
the blue one is a little bit material (and I like material design) but I preffer the default one for more consistencne |
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Megaf_ |
SergioAD: are you talking about more_chests? |
15:37 |
SergioAD |
I do not know |
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SergioAD |
I do not know wich mod uses this blue if is more chests how can I apply it to the others? |
15:40 |
SergioAD |
Stairs problem solved :D |
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Megaf_ |
VanessaE: can you see anything wrong in this line? player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name.."_framed"' 10000') |
16:12 |
exio4 |
what about that last ' |
16:13 |
exio4 |
and I think that is missing a , |
16:13 |
exio4 |
am I wrong? |
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Megaf_ |
its ' 10000' |
16:14 |
exio4 |
are you still missing a ","? |
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Megaf_ |
This line is correct player:get_inventory():add_item('main', "pixels:"..name' 10000') |
16:14 |
Megaf_ |
it works without , |
16:15 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: VanessaE https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L28 |
16:16 |
lulz |
how does that even work o.O |
16:18 |
Megaf_ |
line 33 is the problem |
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Megaf_ |
never mind, I messed something else |
16:21 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: just looks like mismatched quotes, to me |
16:21 |
zatherz |
MUSIC TIME! Share whatever you're listening to at the moment or were listening the last time! |
16:21 |
Megaf_ |
This worked https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/commit/47cbfa7ab9452a753436b1bf2fb957ed1204228f?diff=unified |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
your quotes are still mismatched. |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
you have ' in some placed and " in others |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
use the same thing all the time |
16:22 |
Megaf_ |
ok |
16:22 |
VanessaE |
or at least, in the same sections of code |
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Megaf_ |
Thanks VanessaE, it worked now |
16:27 |
Megaf_ |
line looks like this now layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000") |
16:28 |
exio4 |
I still think that isn't doing what you want it to do |
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Megaf_ |
I will see now |
16:33 |
PenguinDad |
zatherz: Ok https://soundcloud.com/robgassermusic/barely-alive-welcome-to-the |
16:33 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: yep. mot working |
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Megaf_ |
I give up using a table for now |
16:42 |
Megaf_ |
will write all items by hand |
16:53 |
exio4 |
Megaf_, aren't you missing a ,? |
16:53 |
exio4 |
layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed 10000") → layer:get_inventory():add_item("main", "pixels:"..name.."_framed", 10000) |
16:54 |
Megaf_ |
I gave up of that idea |
16:54 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: doing like this now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L5 |
16:54 |
Megaf_ |
but still not working |
16:54 |
Megaf_ |
Im not sure where I should put the ) |
16:55 |
Megaf_ |
I got it, i think, lets see |
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Megaf_ |
exio4: finally working |
16:56 |
Megaf_ |
!up mt.megaf.info |
16:56 |
MinetestBot |
mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms) |
16:56 |
PenguinDad |
Megaf_: you should remove the comma on this line https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L36 |
16:57 |
Megaf_ |
PenguinDad: I removed it, thanks |
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Yellowberry |
you know what guys |
17:00 |
Yellowberry |
I really like the people in this channel |
17:01 |
Megaf_ |
So do I Yellowberry |
17:01 |
Yellowberry |
anyone who wants to is welcome to join my channel, #yellowberry |
17:01 |
Yellowberry |
because I have a feeling that no mean people will join |
17:01 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: PenguinDad: Now that I have that working, I will try again with a table |
17:02 |
Megaf_ |
Yellowberry: I have my channel already, and Im the only one there |
17:02 |
Yellowberry |
what might that be? |
17:03 |
Megaf_ |
#Megaf of course |
17:04 |
ElectronLibre |
(I think you will be no longer the only one on this channel, you've just given it's name so..) |
17:04 |
Megaf_ |
ElectronLibre: you are absolutely right |
17:04 |
exio4 |
wrong namespace Megaf_, should be ##megaf |
17:05 |
ElectronLibre |
The first thing a basic people do with a channel name is to join it :D. |
17:05 |
ElectronLibre |
^ Megaf_ , Yellowberry, exio4 is right. |
17:05 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: is the official channel about me |
17:05 |
Megaf_ |
I am Open Source |
17:06 |
Yellowberry |
and #yellowberry is a project channel, even though it is named after me |
17:06 |
Megaf_ |
everybody can have access to human DNA |
17:06 |
Megaf_ |
you can have access to my DNA, if you pay for it... because I have no resources... |
17:06 |
exio4 |
privacy reasons |
17:07 |
exio4 |
because you can have access doesn't mean you can take it as free software |
17:07 |
exio4 |
there are lots of available-source-code software that isn't opensource nor freesoft |
17:07 |
exio4 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzN4Ep5Jkgk |
17:08 |
exio4 |
siento todo ireal, cuando es con vos ~ |
17:08 |
twoelk |
Megaf_: is there allready a thread for your game? |
17:09 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: nope, its not stable |
17:09 |
twoelk |
mh, maybe I should still add it to the wiki list |
17:10 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: not yet please |
17:10 |
twoelk |
:-( |
17:10 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: the main component of the game is not added to it yet |
17:10 |
Megaf_ |
that is the pixels |
17:10 |
kattsmisk |
is 18.10 too late to make coffee |
17:10 |
exio4 |
it is always too late |
17:10 |
kattsmisk |
and is the OldCoder awake? |
17:10 |
twoelk |
oh, sorry didn't look at it in detail yet |
17:10 |
exio4 |
pepsi/cocacola > coffe |
17:10 |
exio4 |
e |
17:10 |
* Yellowberry |
prepares to GTFOf |
17:10 |
kattsmisk |
exio4: now you ruined my day :C |
17:11 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: if you help, it will get ready quicker. I need to built in some kind of areas protection in it |
17:11 |
PenguinDad |
exio4++ |
17:11 |
Megaf_ |
on default/init.lua |
17:11 |
exio4 |
\o/ PenguinDad |
17:11 |
* twoelk |
wonders what a pixelgame without pixels might look like |
17:11 |
exio4 |
someone who shares my addictions? |
17:11 |
Megaf_ |
I have built it on it give initial stuff and sethome aready |
17:11 |
Megaf_ |
and legacy and mapgen |
17:11 |
Yellowberry |
twoelk: very transparent |
17:12 |
twoelk |
lol |
17:12 |
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17:13 |
OldCoder |
Jo |
17:13 |
OldCoder |
kattsmisk, ? |
17:13 |
PenguinDad |
rdach |
17:13 |
PenguinDad |
:P |
17:16 |
Yellowberry |
PenguinDad: hi! |
17:17 |
exio4 |
http://i.imgur.com/41511go.jpg PenguinDad :3 |
17:17 |
exio4 |
also, the eval function, http://i.imgur.com/we5aDbI.jpg |
17:19 |
* twoelk |
fires up pixelgame and joins - hm - pretty dark - 2 minutes later - woa, here comes mapgen |
17:20 |
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17:21 |
twoelk |
Megaf: strange mapgen, many plateaus and rectangular lines/dikes |
17:22 |
Jordach |
BFD with MGV5 :P |
17:22 |
PenguinDad |
exio4: pls2use a better font :3 |
17:22 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: it works now https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L24 |
17:22 |
exio4 |
PenguinDad, >_> |
17:22 |
Megaf_ |
exio4: yep, Im working on the mapgen |
17:23 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: here you can have an idea about the game |
17:23 |
Megaf_ |
!up mt.megaf.info |
17:23 |
MinetestBot |
mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms) |
17:23 |
exio4 |
2ms... |
17:23 |
exio4 |
sure! |
17:24 |
* ElectronLibre |
have definitively decided to give a chance to this : http://learnyouahaskell.com/introduction |
17:24 |
exio4 |
:D |
17:24 |
Yellowberry |
harhar http://puu.sh/decWj/8af80f001d.jpg |
17:25 |
exio4 |
I recommend you https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell ElectronLibre |
17:25 |
* Megaf_ |
waits for people to join his test server |
17:25 |
PenguinDad |
Yellowberry: nice one :D |
17:25 |
Yellowberry |
yeah |
17:26 |
twoelk |
Megaf, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/A2zpJ0BusA98.png |
17:26 |
* ElectronLibre |
catches exio4's link and add it to his bookmarks. |
17:26 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: crazy isnt it? |
17:27 |
twoelk |
is that when mudflow/biomblend is missing? |
17:27 |
Megaf_ |
no idea |
17:28 |
Megaf_ |
currentely mapgen v6 is being used |
17:28 |
Calinou |
Carbone disables both biome blend and mud flow |
17:28 |
Calinou |
(faster, biome blend sometimes looks bad, mud flow is superfluous) |
17:28 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: problem is, I have removed all nodes/tools but dirt_with_grass |
17:29 |
twoelk |
the dark blotches are transparent trees it seems |
17:29 |
Megaf_ |
Calinou: How do I define in my gave the mapgen to be used and other params? add a minetest.conf to it? |
17:30 |
Calinou |
minetest.conf, yes |
17:30 |
Calinou |
will only affect new worlds created with it |
17:30 |
Calinou |
you can add any setting to it, as long as they are server-side |
17:30 |
Calinou |
take a look at Carbone's minetest.conf |
17:30 |
exio4 |
Calinou, listen to Rata Blanca songs |
17:31 |
twoelk |
an invisible forest https://cdn.mediacru.sh/saANZjcJ7GC8.png |
17:31 |
Calinou |
https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/HEAD:minetest.conf |
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17:32 |
exio4 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjU1dNkLnYA |
17:33 |
exio4 |
!title |
17:33 |
MinetestBot |
exio4: Rata Blanca-La leyenda del Hada y el Mago - YouTube |
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17:34 |
jalmeida |
what is libleveldb1 ??? |
17:35 |
ElectronLibre |
A library I think, which is needed to use leveldb I suppose. |
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17:35 |
Calinou |
jalmeida, a library to use LevelDB, a database system which can be used to host Minetest worlds |
17:35 |
Calinou |
SQLite is the default; Redis is another choice (works in client-server way) |
17:36 |
jalmeida |
show this massage depndency in instalation |
17:37 |
jalmeida |
* message dependence |
17:37 |
zatherz |
oh Debian and it's style of naming things |
17:37 |
zatherz |
"libleveldb1" |
17:37 |
zatherz |
like "libleveldb" is just not enough |
17:37 |
jalmeida |
how to install this dependency ? |
17:37 |
zatherz |
MASSAGE DEPENDENCY hahahaha |
17:37 |
twoelk |
Megaf_: cannot connect to port 30000 |
17:37 |
Calinou |
sudo apt install libleveldb1 |
17:37 |
Calinou |
on older systems: sudo apt-get install libleveldb1 |
17:38 |
Calinou |
you type this in a terminal, then input your password, then accept by pressing [Enter] |
17:38 |
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17:38 |
exio4 |
dat solo |
17:38 |
jalmeida |
nice thanks |
17:38 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: you took too long |
17:38 |
Megaf_ |
I will start it again soon |
17:39 |
ElectronLibre |
Calinou: What, there is a command called "apt" instead of "apt-get"? |
17:39 |
twoelk |
ok no problem |
17:39 |
Calinou |
as of Ubuntu 14.04/April 2014 for Debian Testing/Sid, yes. |
17:39 |
Megaf_ |
jalmeida: in cmake add -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0 |
17:39 |
Calinou |
it features: simpler usage (apt update, apt install, apt full-upgrade), progress bars, colours… |
17:39 |
Calinou |
use it! |
17:40 |
ElectronLibre |
*O* |
17:40 |
Megaf_ |
Calinou: are you serious? |
17:40 |
Calinou |
yes |
17:40 |
* ElectronLibre |
runs to his laptop and open a terminal window. |
17:40 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
17:40 |
Calinou |
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apt |
17:40 |
Calinou |
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt |
17:40 |
Megaf_ |
just tried on my Debian machine |
17:40 |
Megaf_ |
so colorful |
17:40 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
17:40 |
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17:41 |
Calinou |
the bottom line is yellow, progress bar is on green background |
17:41 |
Calinou |
apt edit-sources ⇒ shortcut to edit sources file |
17:41 |
Calinou |
beware, no tab completion when using apt command… only apt-get and apt-cache have it :( |
17:41 |
exio4 |
Calinou, → ftw |
17:42 |
PenguinDad |
Calinou: aptitude has tab completion too |
17:48 |
* ElectronLibre |
has drown in the beautiful colored progess bar of apt full-update command *-* |
17:48 |
Calinou |
full-upgrade* |
17:48 |
exio4 |
I haven't used "apt" |
17:48 |
exio4 |
my fingers already have apt-xxx yyy memorized |
17:49 |
Megaf_ |
Calinou: I think it didnt work https://github.com/Megaf/Pixel/tree/master |
17:49 |
Megaf_ |
whats wrong with my minetest.conf? |
17:50 |
ElectronLibre |
exio4: Me too, so when I typed "apt" my finger was on the "-" key.. Let's accustom to it. |
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17:50 |
exio4 |
I can write "apt-get install" in like, a second and half |
17:50 |
exio4 |
and "apt" alone in a second and half |
17:51 |
exio4 |
because I am already too used to apt-get install :P |
17:51 |
crazyR_ |
hmm it would be a really cool thing if each player had a folder, then all mods stored player info within the players folder... that way deleting a player would be as simple as deleting the folder |
17:51 |
ElectronLibre |
1sec and a little bit more to me.. |
17:52 |
Megaf_ |
crazyR_: Thats possible, if all modders store things in the same folder |
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17:52 |
Megaf_ |
and this way mods could share stuff |
17:53 |
crazyR_ |
maybe its worth finding a way to encourage modders to do this |
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17:55 |
crazyR_ |
eg world->players->[playername]->mod.txt |
17:55 |
crazyR_ |
eg world->players->[playername]->[modname].txt |
17:57 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: can you try to join now please? |
17:57 |
Megaf_ |
!up mt.megaf.info |
17:57 |
MinetestBot |
mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (2ms) |
17:58 |
Yellowberry |
exio4: same for me with "pacaur -S" |
17:58 |
twoelk |
opps answered on wrong channel, give me a sec |
17:58 |
exio4 |
pacaur? wat |
17:58 |
Yellowberry |
arch |
17:58 |
Yellowberry |
:D |
17:58 |
exio4 |
what happened with pacman, and yogurt |
17:58 |
Megaf_ |
twoelk: And my game is stable now, and the server is almost stable |
17:58 |
zatherz |
exio4: ummm |
17:58 |
zatherz |
exio4: pacman is the package manager Arch uses |
17:58 |
Megaf_ |
all I need is a simple proptection system |
17:58 |
zatherz |
exio4: yaourt is an AUR helper |
17:59 |
zatherz |
exio4: and so is pacaur |
17:59 |
Yellowberry |
its an external package manager |
17:59 |
Yellowberry |
yeah |
17:59 |
zatherz |
Yellowberry: nope |
17:59 |
Yellowberry |
exsaclty |
17:59 |
zatherz |
Yellowberry: it's an AUR helper |
17:59 |
exio4 |
so, the new cool aur helper |
17:59 |
zatherz |
Yellowberry: and pacman wrapper |
17:59 |
exio4 |
replacement of yogurt = pacaur |
17:59 |
Yellowberry |
some people swear be the other one |
17:59 |
Yellowberry |
but I like pacaur |
17:59 |
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17:59 |
zatherz |
I prefer cower + makepkg |
17:59 |
exio4 |
I prefer a decent distro |
18:00 |
zatherz |
exio4: >Debian-based |
18:00 |
zatherz |
exio4: >decent |
18:00 |
zatherz |
exio4: u wot m8 |
18:00 |
exio4 |
gentoo |
18:00 |
exio4 |
debian is neat though |
18:00 |
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18:00 |
exio4 |
how is debian not decent? |
18:00 |
zatherz |
neat until you see it pull fucking 700 MB of packages when installing lxde |
18:01 |
Calinou |
you installed it wrong |
18:01 |
zatherz |
including Xorg and every. single. whopping X driver |
18:01 |
exio4 |
don't install recommended packages |
18:01 |
exio4 |
also, gentoo |
18:01 |
Calinou |
--no-install-recommends is your friend if you want to be light |
18:01 |
exio4 |
gentoo does "minimalism" right |
18:01 |
Calinou |
exio4, it's yaourt, not yoghurt |
18:01 |
Calinou |
(French for yoghurt) |
18:01 |
zatherz |
exio4: so does Arch when set up right |
18:01 |
exio4 |
archlinux looks bloated as fuck compared to Gentoo |
18:01 |
zatherz |
exio4: Gentoo is good too |
18:01 |
Calinou |
the point of Debian is not to be minimal |
18:01 |
zatherz |
exio4: lol |
18:01 |
exio4 |
Calinou, I know |
18:01 |
zatherz |
exio4: Gentoo looks bloated as fuck compared to LFS |
18:02 |
ElectronLibre |
Calinou: And stable if I remember correctly. |
18:02 |
exio4 |
zatherz, all the people saying "Archlinux is awesome, I am still so little packages for having a working system", end installing 400 packages more than they would do in Debian, and half of those are git unofficial packages which break every month |
18:02 |
zatherz |
exio4: yes yes |
18:02 |
exio4 |
zatherz, Gentoo does that part right |
18:02 |
zatherz |
exio4: where did you hear that? |
18:02 |
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18:02 |
zatherz |
exio4: from fuck-arch-linux.gentoo.org? |
18:03 |
exio4 |
zatherz, I suffered from it, my _Intel_ gpu didn't work in archlinux as it could |
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18:03 |
exio4 |
you know why? a bunch of blending-edge packages that didn't work together in half the hardware you ran it |
18:03 |
zatherz |
exio4: >flaming on the fact Arch is bleeding edge |
18:03 |
zatherz |
exio4: >using gentoo |
18:03 |
zatherz |
exio4: seems legit |
18:03 |
exio4 |
Gentoo doesn't fuck up |
18:04 |
exio4 |
at least the years I used it, it didn't fuck up like Arch did |
18:04 |
exio4 |
and it allowed me to really tweak my system |
18:04 |
zatherz |
exio4: you seem like a type of a humping troll flaming "ermeghert guise mah distroz bettah!111!!!!!!" |
18:04 |
exio4 |
zatherz, ad hominem |
18:05 |
zatherz |
exio4: at least I don't have to spend 100000 hours on every package to compile, but I could if I wanted to ;) |
18:05 |
exio4 |
I flame against the fact that it is "last version of everything", but half the stuff doesn't work |
18:05 |
Calinou |
ElectronLibre, stable is stable as in “not changingâ€, not as in “not broken†|
18:05 |
exio4 |
zatherz, it is a tradeoff |
18:05 |
Calinou |
Testing may also be stable (as in not broken), but not as in not changing |
18:05 |
zatherz |
exio4: "half the stuff does not work" if you are unable to use /dev/brain ;) |
18:05 |
exio4 |
using debian stable as host, debian sid as guest here |
18:06 |
exio4 |
zatherz, ad hominem again |
18:06 |
exio4 |
zatherz, it is really nice to see you're so intelligent btw |
18:06 |
Calinou |
I like last versions |
18:07 |
zatherz |
exio4: if you install whopping every -git package form AUR then expect your system to break |
18:07 |
exio4 |
so do I, they aren't nice when your shitty IGP can't even run glxgears at more than 20 FPS |
18:07 |
zatherz |
*from |
18:07 |
Calinou |
I like how Arch doesn't separate -dev packages from normal ones, this reduces package list length by a lot |
18:07 |
exio4 |
zatherz, in all debians, and _gentoo_ (with _nearly_ the same packages), I had a working distro, I had to compile my own kernel and hack the framebuffer X11 driver to get decent speeds in anything that was accelerated |
18:08 |
zatherz |
exio4: and...? |
18:08 |
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18:08 |
zatherz |
exio4: I don't know what would stop you from compiling your own kernel or hacking the fb X11 driver in Arch |
18:08 |
exio4 |
zatherz, archlinux's solution was 1) waiting, 2) downgrading, 3) compiling X11 from myself |
18:08 |
zatherz |
exio4: ehem |
18:08 |
zatherz |
exio4: interesting |
18:08 |
exio4 |
that is like saying "I don't use gentoo because I have to compile, but compiling is nice in Archlinux" |
18:08 |
zatherz |
exio4: interesting why you didn't just compile the kernel |
18:09 |
exio4 |
I did |
18:09 |
zatherz |
and hack the fb X11 driver on Arch as well |
18:09 |
exio4 |
it didn't change anything, it only made the fb driver stop crashing but still sucked |
18:09 |
exio4 |
that is what I did in Archlinux |
18:09 |
Jordach |
D: |
18:09 |
zatherz |
if you had an exact same setup with the exact configs and one was different |
18:09 |
zatherz |
then you're telling fairy tales |
18:10 |
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18:11 |
exio4 |
"hey dude, I had this working after 2 days, 47 hours were compiling KDE, Xorg, the kernel, firefox, libreoffice, and everything, but it worked, and was really minimal" and "I had this system working after 2 days, I spent 30 hours searching and hacking stuff until I got it, and then spent 10 hours compiling the fixed stuff" |
18:11 |
zatherz |
ummm |
18:11 |
zatherz |
ehem |
18:11 |
exio4 |
gentoo was really easy to setup, with kinda new versions |
18:12 |
zatherz |
I didn't knew compiling Linux stuff on Gentoo was different than compiling Linux stuff on Arch |
18:12 |
zatherz |
thanks for informing me though |
18:12 |
exio4 |
gentoo makes it easy |
18:12 |
zatherz |
[yes, that's sarcasm] |
18:12 |
exio4 |
the quality of archlinux's packages is kinda sucky |
18:12 |
zatherz |
exio4: as in...? |
18:12 |
exio4 |
zatherz, have you used emerge? and hacked with ebuilds? |
18:13 |
exio4 |
they are like your shiny aur packages, but decent and powerful |
18:13 |
zatherz |
exio4: and now by saying "AUR packages" I'm sure you never user Arch or used it for not too much |
18:13 |
zatherz |
*used |
18:14 |
exio4 |
I don't remember the name of pkgsomething |
18:14 |
zatherz |
exio4: heard about ABS? |
18:14 |
exio4 |
it was pkgscript |
18:14 |
exio4 |
or pkgbuild, or something like that |
18:14 |
exio4 |
yes zatherz |
18:14 |
exio4 |
they're basically pkgsomethings for the core packages |
18:14 |
exio4 |
I haven't used it the last years |
18:15 |
exio4 |
maybe what I am saying is mostly BS and Archlinux suffered a rewrite from scratch and it doesn't suck as it did |
18:15 |
zatherz |
exio4: what you said before makes ("hey dude [...]") no sense |
18:16 |
exio4 |
english isn't my native language, but I find it kinda easy to read, what do you mean? |
18:16 |
zatherz |
exio4: 1. how worse is compiling something 10 hours instead of 47 hours and about "30 hours searching and hacking stuff", if it worked on the other one, why don't you take the version they used there? |
18:17 |
zatherz |
exio4: if it worked on one and didn't work on the other one, then for sure one of them had to change something, right? |
18:17 |
exio4 |
zatherz, it wasn't a change, it was mixing stuff up, after a few versions that bug got fixed |
18:17 |
zatherz |
exio4: or it was the problem of the building environment and thus the user |
18:17 |
zatherz |
exio4: "mixing stuff up"? |
18:17 |
zatherz |
exio4: as in whaT? |
18:17 |
zatherz |
*what? |
18:17 |
exio4 |
zatherz, mesa / x11 / kernel drivers |
18:18 |
exio4 |
"last versions" don't mean "awesomeness", they mean "not so well tested stuff", most of the time they work, when they don't, you are fucked |
18:18 |
zatherz |
exio4: then if you are "mixing stuff up" it's certainly not the distro's problem? |
18:18 |
exio4 |
zatherz, I had to mix more stuff to get it working, the official mesa libraries were too new |
18:18 |
zatherz |
exio4: hate to burst your bubble, but Gentoo is rolling too |
18:19 |
exio4 |
zatherz, gentoo doesn't allow you to fuck up so easily |
18:19 |
zatherz |
exio4: how so? |
18:19 |
zatherz |
exio4: does it use the magic of fairies to do that? |
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18:19 |
rubenwardy |
Oh yay, flamewar |
18:20 |
rubenwardy |
!ban *@* |
18:20 |
exio4 |
kinda like that, it is called having decent ebuilds |
18:20 |
zatherz |
exio4: it is called having decent pkgbuilds |
18:20 |
exio4 |
something that isn't available in Archlinu |
18:20 |
exio4 |
x |
18:21 |
ElectronLibre |
rubenwardy, is *@* a smiley you want to ban :D? |
18:21 |
zatherz |
exio4: installing AUR packages left and right is not the problem of Arch |
18:21 |
rubenwardy |
XD. It bans everyone. |
18:21 |
exio4 |
zatherz, I had the problem with official packages |
18:21 |
zatherz |
exio4: when? |
18:21 |
exio4 |
zatherz, the solution _all_ the people had, were aur packages |
18:22 |
zatherz |
exio4: I asked you when that was? |
18:22 |
exio4 |
oh, I think it was like end of 2012 or 2011 |
18:22 |
zatherz |
then we are talking about different times man |
18:22 |
zatherz |
I'm talking about present Arch |
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18:23 |
zatherz |
did not have a single breakage that wasn't caused by me |
18:23 |
exio4 |
what I have been saying is what archlinux says |
18:23 |
zatherz |
? |
18:23 |
exio4 |
"archlinux is beautiful, minimal, and kinda a tradeoff between gentoo and debian, it breaks a little bit every month, and needs a bit more of care, but it is totally worth it" |
18:23 |
exio4 |
(not in thoe words, but, you get it) |
18:23 |
exio4 |
those* |
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18:24 |
zatherz |
I agree that it needs more care and the breaks relate to how much care you put in it |
18:25 |
exio4 |
gentoo, archlinux, debian, some care, lots of care, some care, source, binary, binary |
18:25 |
zatherz |
but it aims to be a minimalistic generally-binary-based distro and it does this right |
18:25 |
Wayward_One |
does anyone know what could be causing random fps drops on my client? it freezes for a few seconds at a time frequently |
18:25 |
zatherz |
Gentoo does being a minimalistic source-based distro right as well |
18:25 |
exio4 |
gentoo needed some initial care but after it, for the whole year, didn't need _that_ much, outside the few first weeks where I tested different flags :P |
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Krock |
hi. |
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exio4 |
\o |
18:27 |
zatherz |
Krock: o/ |
18:27 |
exio4 |
zatherz, how long have you been using arch btw |
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* Krock |
wonders who zatherz is |
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zatherz |
for not really much time |
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exio4 |
I really loved arch the first six months I used it, and I didn't mind the extra care it needed |
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* sfan5 |
ack exio4 |
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FreeFull |
I have NixOS in a VM and it seems nice |
19:13 |
Yellowberry |
I use arch too |
19:16 |
PenguinDad |
I use linux too! :P |
19:16 |
Krock |
I don't use linux! |
19:17 |
Calinou |
“I use NT and Linux†|
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Krock |
NT is only a New Technology |
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PenguinDad |
No Trap, Negative Term... |
19:19 |
Krock |
No Toxic |
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Hobodium |
Neo Tokyo |
19:19 |
Yellowberry |
Nerd Trap |
19:20 |
PenguinDad |
Nautic Ton |
19:20 |
Hobodium |
Nuptial Trade |
19:21 |
Krock |
Nervous Team |
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Yellowberry |
No Train |
19:21 |
Yellowberry |
Nope Train |
19:21 |
Yellowberry |
lel |
19:21 |
Yellowberry |
such 4han |
19:22 |
PenguinDad |
No Triggers |
19:22 |
Yellowberry |
No Turtles |
19:23 |
VanessaE |
without turtles, won't the world collapse? |
19:23 |
Yellowberry |
true |
19:23 |
Yellowberry |
because of the turtles of time |
19:24 |
Yellowberry |
Not Tetris |
19:24 |
Yellowberry |
oh snap |
19:24 |
Yellowberry |
such product placment |
19:25 |
PenguinDad |
Nitro Tour |
19:25 |
Yellowberry |
Naughty Terminals |
19:26 |
ElectronLibre |
VanessaE: I think it could, like when you launch minetest --disable-unittests |
19:26 |
Yellowberry |
Nordic Tomatoes |
19:27 |
PenguinDad |
Noseless Time |
19:27 |
ElectronLibre |
N* T* <= An easy way to type all the possibilities. |
19:28 |
Yellowberry |
lol |
19:28 |
Yellowberry |
Nozzle Transmission |
19:28 |
PenguinDad |
Note Transponder |
19:29 |
Yellowberry |
Nice Train |
19:29 |
PenguinDad |
Noobish Trainer |
19:30 |
Yellowberry |
No Torrenting |
19:30 |
PenguinDad |
ElectronLibre: sorry but that's not the regex you're searching for :P |
19:30 |
ElectronLibre |
No Thanks. |
19:31 |
PenguinDad |
Need Tomorrow |
19:31 |
Yellowberry |
Nerd Torpedo |
19:31 |
PenguinDad |
Neglectic Turrets |
19:32 |
PenguinDad |
*Neglected |
19:32 |
Yellowberry |
Nanoscopic Bananas |
19:33 |
ElectronLibre |
There isn't even a "T" in that. |
19:33 |
PenguinDad |
Nanobot Troll |
19:33 |
Yellowberry |
oops |
19:33 |
Yellowberry |
I didn't realize |
19:34 |
Yellowberry |
Nag Tag |
19:35 |
Megaf_ |
!tell Calinou Is it a bug like this you are having? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10673 |
19:35 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf_: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around |
19:35 |
Megaf_ |
Thanks MinetestBot |
19:35 |
Yellowberry |
New Turnip |
19:36 |
PenguinDad |
Notoric Tester |
19:36 |
Yellowberry |
Nixon's Tricks |
19:36 |
ElectronLibre |
I think we should ask Calinou what he meant by "MT", it's starting to be very strange seeing people looking for sor N*T* couple of words ._. |
19:37 |
Yellowberry |
Neurotic Trope |
19:37 |
ElectronLibre |
*"NT" |
19:37 |
* ElectronLibre |
tries to find N*T*s |
19:37 |
PenguinDad |
Newell's Teatime |
19:37 |
Yellowberry |
Nazi Tie |
19:38 |
PenguinDad |
Navy Troop |
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Yellowberry |
I should make a channel for this crap |
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PenguinDad |
####findthent :D |
19:38 |
ElectronLibre |
Does that channel exist? O_o |
19:38 |
Yellowberry |
##doubleletters |
19:39 |
Yellowberry |
join |
19:40 |
* ElectronLibre |
hopes it won't spread like a joke on the whole network ._. |
19:40 |
Yellowberry |
it wont |
19:40 |
Yellowberry |
we will change the letters occasionally |
19:40 |
ElectronLibre |
Pfiou, great. |
19:41 |
ElectronLibre |
I was more talking about the "find <letter>* <letter2>* words" more than NT itself. |
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rubenwardy |
Any suggestions for popular subgames? http://www.minetest.net/subgames |
19:45 |
STHGOM |
balance is always nice |
19:47 |
STHGOM |
building is fun too |
19:47 |
STHGOM |
what do you need suggestions for? |
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ack0Rx |
there is an option to change my skin player? |
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rubenwardy |
As in, what should be in that list? |
19:52 |
STHGOM |
ohh ok |
19:54 |
STHGOM |
idk |
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rubenwardy |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qB16ELNmOgmc.png |
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Krock |
ack0Rx, search a skin mod |
20:10 |
ElectronLibre |
rubenwardy, what's that game? |
20:10 |
Krock |
ack0Rx, http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?q=skin |
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ack0Rx |
Krock: thank you, I'll |
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Krock |
..try it. |
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ack0Rx |
Krock: haha |
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rubenwardy |
A politics/government simulator/rts by me. XD |
20:11 |
rubenwardy |
HTML5 |
20:12 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, that game is HTML 5? |
20:12 |
rubenwardy |
Yes |
20:12 |
Krock |
uuh nice |
20:12 |
* ElectronLibre |
wants a link! |
20:13 |
* Krock |
throws a "In developement" sign at ElectronLibre |
20:13 |
* ElectronLibre |
get the sign right in the face. |
20:13 |
ElectronLibre |
Ouch, that hurts >.<. |
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Krock |
:P |
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AgentFire |
Okay, so I'm having a problem with Pipeworks? |
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AgentFire |
What am I supposed to rename the mod folder to, because it won't work |
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ElectronLibre |
pipeworks |
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AgentFire |
I have it renamed to pipeworks, but it says there is a problem with it |
20:19 |
AgentFire |
ElectronLibre: Okay, well I found a better source of the problem |
20:19 |
ElectronLibre |
Ok, can you send a paste with the exact error please? |
20:19 |
AgentFire |
It's init.lua |
20:20 |
ElectronLibre |
Of course. |
20:20 |
AgentFire |
I will in a second |
20:21 |
ElectronLibre |
But the error can be more deep in the mod. |
20:22 |
AgentFire |
Uh-oh |
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AgentFire |
ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Public\Documents\Documents\Random Stuff\Random Stuff\minetest-0.4.10-win32-msvc\minetest-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\pipeworks\init.lua Check debug.txt for details. |
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AgentFire |
That's the exact text ElectronLibre |
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ElectronLibre |
Ok, there are some lines around can you paste them too? (from "===ERROR FROM LUA" to the line of your command line if you can please) |
20:28 |
AgentFire |
Oh |
20:28 |
AgentFire |
That would be in the other thing |
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AgentFire |
========= ERROR FROM LUA ========= |
20:31 |
AgentFire |
Failed to load and run script from C:\...\pipeworks\init.lua |
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AgentFire |
\mods\mesecons\mesecons_mvps\init.lua:24: table index is nil |
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AgentFire |
stack traceback: |
20:32 |
ElectronLibre |
Ok, it's from mesecons. Have you tried to update it? |
20:33 |
AgentFire |
I have not, although I thought it was up to date |
20:33 |
catninja |
http://mimika.se/2014/12/215/ Would you guys want to meet this one in moontest? :D |
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ElectronLibre |
AgentFire: Try to start the server with mesecons. |
20:37 |
AgentFire |
ElectronLibre: I was able to run it with everything but Pipeworks |
20:38 |
AgentFire |
I would honestly almost be fine with giving up Pipeworks, but I kind of need it for Technic |
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AgentFire |
You there Electron? |
20:53 |
Jordach |
!tell rubenwardy looks like Civ 5 to me |
20:53 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around |
20:54 |
ElectronLibre |
I'm still there. I don't see any way you could use pipeworks without mesecons. Try to update/install it at first. |
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AgentFire |
You mean update Mesecons? Even though it works perfectly fine without Pipeworks right now? |
20:55 |
ElectronLibre |
Yes, that's the only way I see.. |
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catninja |
https://social.umeahackerspace.se/file/catninja-20141202-qvitterupload-h7kx.jpg |
21:44 |
catninja |
noobcodermistakes |
21:44 |
catninja |
silly floating text. get it together |
21:45 |
Yellowberry |
ha |
21:45 |
Yellowberry |
it looks cool |
21:48 |
catninja |
yeah but I could not get it to stop x) |
21:48 |
Megaf_ |
AgentFire: I had this bug long ago |
21:48 |
Megaf_ |
it was fixed |
21:49 |
crazyR_ |
is there any way i can turn the tab button into a shortcur for a function? |
21:49 |
Megaf_ |
AgentFire: make sure you have the latest pipeworks and mesecons |
21:49 |
crazyR_ |
*shortcut |
21:49 |
AgentFire |
Okay, I'll doublecheck the mesecons |
21:49 |
AgentFire |
But I just uploaded Pipeworks |
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Yellowberry |
oh |
21:53 |
Yellowberry |
my |
21:53 |
Yellowberry |
god |
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Yellowberry |
ONE font included in MS Office is worth more than the suite itself |
21:54 |
Yellowberry |
Arial Unicode MS costs $330 to buy if you buy it without Office |
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