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00:14	ZombieAlive	Artemis3: Hola chica que tal me echa una manito.
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01:09	kaeza	doing anything in blender is insane, unless you have a 5000+px resolution and a 8 monitor setup
01:11	VanessaE	blender will drive you to have a stroke.
01:12	VanessaE	I say that after spending all evening yesterday to make the three models in that "mesh slope test" mod.
01:13	kaeza	hah
01:13	VanessaE	(and one or more UV maps apparently are screwed up a little, yet)
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01:15	ReaLM	sup sup my peeps
01:15	VanessaE	hi
01:16	ReaLM	vanessa can i pm you
01:16	ReaLM	?
01:16	VanessaE	I'd prefer not.
01:16	ReaLM	hmm ok
01:16	VanessaE	not in a very good state of mind right now
01:16	ReaLM	sounds fair
01:16	ReaLM	dont worry
01:16	ReaLM	ill try later
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01:16	ReaLM	OldCoder can i pm you?
01:17	OldCoder	Sure
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01:55	realtinymonster	good day peoples
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04:53	hisforeverkid	hi I need help with a word the statment is ..??? air default:water_source
04:54	hisforeverkid	/?? air default:water_source what are the question mark word?
04:54	VanessaE	hisforeverkid: //replace air default:water_source
04:55	VanessaE	but first,
04:55	hisforeverkid	thanks
04:55	VanessaE	make sure that what you're about to replace will not cause a spill
04:55	VanessaE	it's good to //replace air cobble
04:55	hisforeverkid	I rembered everything but that one
04:55	VanessaE	check that it fits, then //replace cobble default:water_source
04:56	hisforeverkid	ok ty good night
04:56	VanessaE	night
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05:39	Fritigern	VanessaE: I am no Blender Guru either, so what i would prolly do is use Wings3d to create the mesh, explort as obj, import in blender then export as .blend. That may be a little easier
05:39	Fritigern	*export
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06:46	kilbith	Zeno` : there's certainly something buggy with the latest RBA's changes. I spent only few minutes on VE-Creative, I experienced some frequent & suddent FPS-drops, and my RAM-usage was being mad : https://cdn.mediacru.sh/U9j3rv8fMmcV.png
06:47	kilbith	^ RealBadAngel
06:47	kilbith	latest -dev from today
06:48	Zeno`	what is RSS?
06:49	kilbith	the RAM usage
06:49	kilbith	it was very heavy to close the client
06:49	kilbith	and sloow
06:49	Zeno`	167777216 TB ?!
06:49	ThatGraemeGuy	what the fudge? :-o
06:50	kilbith	I had to shutdown the computer so it was sloow
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06:50	Zeno`	well using 16777216TB would likely cause things to be a bit slow
06:50	Zeno`	how is that even possible?
06:50	ThatGraemeGuy	I have to close my client if I play for a long stretch, but it never gets that bad
06:51	ThatGraemeGuy	i'll get to a point where its using about 6GB and then i need to close it because it starts paging too much
06:51	ThatGraemeGuy	but I haven't updated in a couple of weeks either
06:51	kilbith	i'm talking about the latest -dev
06:52	ThatGraemeGuy	yeah, you should probably ignore my rambling :-)
06:52	kilbith	which is seem very buggy
06:52	Zeno`	I'll try with valgrind in a moment and see if anything pops up
06:53	Zeno`	also launching client now to see if I can get RAM usage like that :D
06:53	kilbith	other players complained about that recently
06:53	kilbith	fps-drops
06:55	kilbith	look into by screenie, the memory usage is full
06:56	kilbith	one week ago it was at only 2GB
06:56	kilbith	now 4GB
06:58	Zeno`	running client now on same server
06:58	Zeno`	will see what happens
06:58	Zeno`	brb
06:58	kilbith	thanks
07:00	RealBadAngel	killbith you have compiled with my latest patch?
07:01	kilbith	I have your latest patch installed yes
07:01	kilbith	https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages
07:01	kilbith	ubuntu 14.04 - 8 hours ago
07:03	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/d221917170c2bb43c66e5e09f2a43350cf28d71b
07:03	RealBadAngel	i mean this one
07:05	RealBadAngel	ah yes
07:05	RealBadAngel	it has it
07:05	RealBadAngel	i will try to find out reasons for such enormous ram usage
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08:08	Zeno`	mine is not leaking :/
08:09	Zeno`	FPS issues seem to occur throughout the day/night transition
08:09	Zeno`	For no apparent (to me) reason
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08:57	kaeza	oh hey, wings3d interface is actually usable
08:57	kaeza	and has .x export :>
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09:38	Zeno`	hmm, even I might be able to use that
09:38	Zeno`	(wings3d)
09:42	Fritigern	Wings3d is a little dated, especially their gui, but it works :-)
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10:46	Zeno`	hi Fritigern
10:46	Zeno`	hi nore
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12:54	hisforever	Hi I'm using dreambuilers and when I use a //p set I get like a black fog in the land I've tried to //p set it again and it clears what I just //p set but when I //reset the black fog moves to a new location. Any sugestions on how to get this fog off?
12:55	Amaz	Select the area with the black fog in, and run //replace air air
12:55	hisforever	will that leave builds in tact?
12:56	Amaz	Yep.
12:59	hisforever	ok ty I'll do that
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13:15	hisforever	Thanks Amaz that worked like a charm
13:17	hisforever	need 1 more Question answered if possible I set day to stay at 12:00 all the time Hho do I get it back to defalt time?
13:18	hisforever	hho = how lol
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13:27	kilbith	what do you think about a new MT organization like that ? https://www.mediacru.sh/o5n61FzBmMg6
13:34	Zeno`	I think it's good if it can me made to work
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13:37	kilbith	in parralel to that, there may be a remuneration system based on donations for motivating more devs
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13:48	PilzAdam	kilbith, thats basically how it looks currently; except that we don't have a "leader"
13:48	kilbith	and we need him
13:49	PilzAdam	also a single person to approve pull requests is too inefficient
13:49	kilbith	fighting too
13:50	PilzAdam	a single person who can decided what they want causes "fighting" too
13:51	PilzAdam	the main problem currently that most devs don't review pull requests / write code anymore
13:51	kilbith	problems is that no-one take his responsabilities for make radical decisions, and the apathy is widely spreaded in there
13:51	kilbith	if someone is away for a certain time, all become suddently frozen
13:52	kilbith	it's abnormal and even dangereous in long-term
13:52	PilzAdam	reviewing pull requests doesn't require making "radical decisions"
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13:53	PilzAdam	[15:51:50] <kilbith> if someone is away for a certain time, all become suddently frozen <- wouldn't your suggestion make that even worse?
13:54	PilzAdam	when everything depends on a single "leader"
13:54	kilbith	the builders/testers team should allow the radical decisions in right, by flying over the long / unproductive arguing
13:54	Zeno`	<PilzAdam> the main problem currently that most devs don't review pull requests / write code anymore <--- Isn't that kind of bad?
13:54	Zeno`	How can anything happen if that's really the situation?
13:55	PilzAdam	Zeno`, yes, that is bad
13:55	PilzAdam	but a "leader" doesn't solve this
13:55	kilbith	the regular gathering 'per week' may at least a good partial solution
13:56	Zeno`	take me to your leader, I shall speak to him!
13:56	PilzAdam	kilbith, we already tried that
13:56	PilzAdam	only the one who wanted the meeting was there
13:56	kilbith	so, give sanctions for those that don't honor the gather/rendez-vous
13:57	PilzAdam	you forget that everyone here is for fun
13:57	* Zeno`	watches the tumble-weeds roll across the sand
13:58	PilzAdam	nobody would want to join the dev team if it has rules like "weekly meetings you must attend"
13:58	Zeno`	nobody can join the dev team anyway :D
13:59	Zeno`	anyway, night all
14:00	PilzAdam	a solution (tm) would be to encourage the existing devs to review pull requests (merging pull requests needs 2 core devs)
14:00	kilbith	if people is remunerated, money can raise the motivation, the sanctions for omit the gather could be the reducing/removing the remuneration
14:01	PilzAdam	at least for me, money wouldn't increase my motivation
14:01	PilzAdam	it would rather benefit in seeing pull requests as "work that has to be done" and not as a fun thing to do
14:03	kilbith	imo, actually there is a lack of attendance/responsibility
14:06	Brains	There is actually some evidence that offering money can demotivate folks in situations like these.
14:06	Brains	kilbith: Answer simple. Fork, setup your organization the way you want.
14:07	kilbith	i'm not a dev and forking is bad for coordination
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14:08	Brains	In that case, you'll need to convince people to do what you want... And sanctions don't tend to do that.
14:08	MARKTRACEUR	HEY MINETESTERS. I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT MINETEST IS WOEFULLY UNPREPARED FOR INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY.
14:08	reactor	[slow clap]
14:08	kilbith	MT has lost 2 providentials devs with forking-principle, xyz & proller
14:09	Brains	Forking is actually not a bad thing in general... And certainly not in concept. Most of the problems that occur show that not-forking wasn't tenable.
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14:12	PILZADAM	MARKTRACEUR, THANKS FOR THE REMINDER
14:13	MARKTRACEUR	PILZADAM: YOU'RE VERY WELCOME! I EXIST ONLY TO BE HELPFUL, AS YOU KNOW.
14:13	Zeno`	IT IS OCTOBER 23 HERE
14:13	PILZADAM	:-/ THAT MEANS I CAN'T CODE TODAY...
14:14	Zeno`	COBOL IS OK
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14:14	Zeno`	HOW DO TIMEZONES WORK WITH THESE INTERNATIONAL DAYS?
14:15	Zeno`	BECAUSE IT'S SERIOUSLY THE 23RD HERE
14:15	MARKTRACEUR	PILZADAM: THERE'S A TERMCAP COMMAND OR SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOUR ENTIRE TERMINAL CAPITALIZED IN APPEARANCE...
14:15	reactor	Ð´ÐžÐ•Ð¡ ÐšÐžÐ˜-7 ÐšÐžÐ£ÐÐ¢ ÐÐ¡ ÐšÐÐŸÐ¡ Ð›ÐžÐ¦Ðš?
14:15	MARKTRACEUR	Zeno`: I GUESS YOU COULD INTERPRET IT TO BE OCTOBER 22ND IN UTC STILL MAYBE?
14:16	Zeno`	YES I GUESS IT'S ONLY 14:15 UTC
14:16	Zeno`	I AM GLAD I WILL BE SLEEPING MOST OF THIS DAY
14:17	reactor	Ð¸ Ð“Ð£Ð•Ð¡Ð¡ ÐÐžÐ‘ÐžÐ”Ð˜ ÐšÐÐ Ð Ð•ÐÐ” Ð˜Ð¢ Ð¢Ð¥Ð•Ð. :(
14:18	e1z0	i can read it
14:18	e1z0	:\|
14:19	Zeno`	I THINK I WILL BUY A TRACTOR TO CELEBRATE
14:20	PILZADAM	MARKTRACEUR, HOW DO I SET THAT?
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14:22	reactor	Ð°ÐÐ˜ Ð¢Ð•Ð¡Ð¢ Ð¡Ð£Ð‘Ð™Ð•ÐšÐ¢Ð¡ Ð¢ÐžÐ”ÐÐ«?
14:22	MARKTRACEUR	PILZADAM: I FORGET, SORRY.
14:23	PILZADAM	WHEN I SEARCH IT THE ONLY RESULTS I GET ARE ABOUT STRING PROCESSING IN BASH SCRIPTS...
14:23	SylvieLorxu	MARKTRACEUR: Am I supposed to use the physical caps lock key or the key that's bound to caps lock? I bound my caps lock to escape
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14:24	MARKTRACEUR	SylvieLorxu: I THINK WHATEVER MAKES YOUR TEXT COME OUT AS CAPITALS, BUT I SUPPOSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. I DON'T MIND EITHER WAY
14:25	SylvieLorxu	oKAY, THANKS
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14:25	Brains	Since the title refers to 'Capslock' and not Capitals, I'd argue you should punch the Capslock and be done with it.
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14:54	Vazon	Is OldCoder around?
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15:05	PenguinDad	!doge
15:05	MinetestBot	DOGE is at 0.00000066 BTC
15:06	MXRecord	66!
15:08	PenguinDad	MXRecord: the value is 0.00000600 BTC too low :P
15:10	MXRecord	PenguinDad: yep
15:12	* MXRecord	will be back in a few seconds, no pings please
15:12	PenguinDad	Aw yiss only 5 days left!
15:12	MXRecord	PenguinDad: until what?
15:13	PenguinDad	MXRecord: Until Abandon Ship gets released
15:13	MXRecord	I will be back, I am going to change nicks a few times
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15:15	Yellowberry	PenguinDad: i'm back
15:15	Yellowberry	what is coming out?
15:16	PenguinDad	Yellowberry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandon_Ship_%28Knife_Party_album%29
15:17	PenguinDad	mfw i didn't notice the release got postponed
15:17	Yellowberry	lol
15:17	Yellowberry	now 19 days
15:17	Yellowberry	XD
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15:21	Yellowberry	Hi!
15:21	Yellowberry	Bye!
15:21	Yellowberry	lol
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15:22	Yellowberry	Hi shadowzone!
15:22	shadowzone	hello
15:22	Yellowberry	like my nick?
15:26	jojoa1997	yelllo
15:26	* PenguinDad	yells at jojoa1997
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15:28	shadowzone	uh...
15:28	shadowzone	I don't know who you are.
15:29	Yellowberry	shadowzone: I am RTM
15:29	shadowzone	oh.
15:29	shadowzone	nice nick.
15:29	Yellowberry	thanks sir
15:29	coagen	Yellowberry: I prefer pineapples
15:29	Yellowberry	If you don't get it, i'm a banana
15:29	shadowzone	sir?
15:29	coagen	oh
15:29	coagen	i'm an egg
15:30	Yellowberry	shadowzone: what?
15:30	gloop	I'm a-- oh right, nobody cares
15:30	shadowzone	I'm a girl.
15:30	Yellowberry	shadowzone: lel
15:30	coagen	i'm a chick w/huge tits
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15:31	* Yellowberry	thinks of everyone as sir
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15:31	PenguinDad	I'm a penguin who sounds like a cat when he wakes up lol
15:31	Yellowberry	lol
15:32	Yellowberry	what is the currency conversion command for minetestbot?
15:32	PenguinDad	!btc ARS
15:32	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: RUB, DKK, CNY, USD, KRW, HKD, BRL, SEK, AUD, GBP, CHF, EUR, TWD, NZD, SGD, JPY, THB, CLP, PLN, CAD, ISK
15:32	Yellowberry	cool
15:32	Yellowberry	thanks
15:32	Yellowberry	!btc HUF
15:32	MinetestBot	Yellowberry: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: RUB, DKK, CNY, USD, KRW, HKD, BRL, SEK, AUD, GBP, CHF, EUR, TWD, NZD, SGD, JPY, THB, CLP, PLN, CAD, ISK
15:33	Yellowberry	:(
15:33	* sfan5	paws PenguinDad
15:33	Yellowberry	ah
15:33	Yellowberry	!
15:33	* PenguinDad	wings sfan5
15:33	Yellowberry	I am not paying 650 dollars for a handheld
15:33	* sfan5	purrs at PenguinDad
15:34	Yellowberry	who would get this: https://www.dragonbox.de/index.php?id_product=112&controller=product
15:34	Yellowberry	in this channel
15:34	sfan5	!title
15:34	MinetestBot	sfan5: OpenPandora 1GHz Edition
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15:34	sfan5	openpandora sucks
15:34	sfan5	a bit
15:35	Yellowberry	why?
15:35	gravgun	OpenPandora = PowerVR shit gpu
15:35	gravgun	keep ImgTech out of my house.
15:36	gravgun	Unless they provide free drivers.
15:37	sfan5	powerVR sucks too
15:37	sfan5	there are no free drivers
15:37	gravgun	actually
15:37	gravgun	i found somthing interesting on GitHub about PVR driver
15:37	gravgun	The binary driver's source was leaked
15:38	sfan5	clone it before it gets a dmca
15:39	gravgun	did already :3
15:39	gravgun	https://github.com/jumoog/GFX_Linux_DDK
15:39	* Yellowberry	is researching on how to use music trackers
15:39	gravgun	I informed GNU Project #powervr about it
15:40	gravgun	And now
15:40	gravgun	we wait
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15:41	Yellowberry	Calinou! Hi!
15:41	gravgun	Hi Calinou
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15:42	Yellowberry	zlsa (~zlsastatic-205-157-147-198.ded.unwiredbb.net) has joined #minetest
15:43	Yellowberry	hi
15:43	gravgun	(Yellowberry: copypasta fail?)
15:43	Zeno`	Calinou "Can we patch Minetest or Freeminer with their stuff then get a working build? If not, it is a violation."
15:43	Zeno`	Show me where, please, in the LICENSE where that is a requirement
15:43	Yellowberry	gravgun: totally intentional
15:44	Zeno`	If you can't then stop, please, with the FUD
15:44	VanessaE	hi all.
15:44	Yellowberry	Hi VanessaE
15:47	sfan5	Zeno`: the license only says they need to provide the source
15:48	sfan5	You could totally get around that by not providing your custom build script
15:48	sfan5	(more or less get around
15:48	sfan5	)
15:48	Zeno`	sfan5, which they have done, which is why I'm asking Calinou to explain
15:51	Calinou	hi
15:52	Calinou	sfan5, they seem to provie full source, but outdated or such
15:52	Calinou	and Zeno` voiced it in a way that means there are only patches available
15:52	Zeno`	it doesn't matter if it's outdated
15:52	Calinou	it does matter
15:52	Calinou	the newer versions would violate the license
15:52	Zeno`	no it doesn't
15:52	Calinou	WTF
15:52	Zeno`	what newer versions?
15:53	Calinou	let's say we have Minetest 0.4.10 which is the base of Mobilecraft 0.4.10 â€“ the source of that Mobilecraft is released
15:53	Calinou	but then Minetest 0.4.11 is released
15:53	Calinou	if Mobilecraft's latest version is still 0.4.10, that's fine
15:53	sfan5	we understand that
15:53	Calinou	but if they update to 0.4.11, but don't release source, it becomes a violation again
15:53	Zeno`	They are under no obligation to keep up with master
15:53	sfan5	is there actually a new version?
15:53	Calinou	sfan5, not everyone apparently did
15:54	Calinou	Zeno`, they must release source of every version they publish; the end
15:54	iqualfragile	sfan5: https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/AutoFDO
15:54	Calinou	they can keep their stuff outdated if they wish; what they can't do is make outdated free version, and up-to-date proprietary version
15:54	Zeno`	and their latest publish version is... 0.4.10
15:54	Calinou	public, yes
15:54	sfan5	iqualfragile: wrong person?
15:54	iqualfragile	sfan5: no, you do some builds
15:55	sfan5	do you think I feel like re-compiling mingw?
15:55	iqualfragile	sfan5: no, but can't you cross compile using gcc?
15:55	Zeno`	where the hell is the "up-to-date proprietary version"?
15:55	sfan5	yes
15:55	iqualfragile	sfan5: so this could be usefull as minetest is largely cpu bound
15:55	Calinou	I was guarding against the argument â€œthey published the source of one version, so it's fineâ€
15:55	sfan5	Calinou: in theory, LGPL always applied; in practice, nobody gives a shit about private stuff
15:56	sfan5	applies*
15:56	Calinou	but here it's public
15:56	Calinou	it's not like the Play Store is private
15:56	sfan5	where is the new version you are talking of?
15:56	sfan5	iqualfragile: how do I activate this?
15:56	Zeno`	so you judge them guilty before they commit something wrong?
15:56	Zeno`	That doesn't seem fair
15:56	iqualfragile	sfan5: well, i think the website contains sufficient instructions
15:56	Calinou	being hypothetical isn't bad
15:57	Calinou	I'm sure this will happen some day
15:57	Zeno`	it is when you're accusing people of being non-compliant
15:57	sfan5	iqualfragile: I disagree
15:57	Yellowberry	http://keygenmusic.net/music/dvt/DVT-AdBlockPro2.2kg.7z
15:57	iqualfragile	sfan5: where exactly are you stuck?
15:57	Zeno`	anyway, I just wanted to clear that up
15:58	sfan5	iqualfragile: how do I do this?
15:58	iqualfragile	sfan5: im gaming for a few minutes, we can talk about that afterwards
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16:03	* Zeno`	is sorry for being angry but will not apologise for defending people's rights to do what is permitted under the LGPL and GPL and the spirit of those licenses
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16:05	* Yellowberry	has such bad internet at his other computer that he can't even do a speedtest
16:05	Calinou	http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2jxqpg/calling_out_crappy_hardware_manufacturers_corsair/
16:05	Calinou	:phoronix rolleyes:
16:05	Calinou	(see the poster)
16:05	iqualfragile	sfan5: bascially 1st compile with -profile-generate
16:06	iqualfragile	then with -fprofile-use
16:06	sfan5	iqualfragile: does gcc 4.8 have that flag?
16:06	iqualfragile	inbetween run the code
16:06	iqualfragile	yes, that feature is rather old
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16:10	zlsa	Calinou, what about phoronix?
16:11	gravgun	zlsa: nothing really, it's just about Phoronix's... reputation
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16:12	gravgun	It's not THE reference for everything linux/graphics/...
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16:12	kilbith	Phoronix is the reference for linux benchmarking
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16:12	gravgun	They do good benchmarks tho
16:12	gravgun	indeed
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16:23	Yellowberry	Asie!
16:23	asie	Pinkberry!
16:23	gravgun	Pink?
16:24	gravgun	More like Yellow
16:24	PenguinDad	Pinkieberry :P
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16:26	Yellowberry	oh snap
16:26	Yellowberry	PenguinDad: I was actaully thinking of that one last night
16:27	Calinou	hi PenguinDad :)
16:27	PenguinDad	Hi Calinou
16:27	* sfan5	paws Asie
16:28	* Yellowberry	slaps sfan5
16:28	Yellowberry	get away!
16:28	Yellowberry	don't eat me!
16:28	PenguinDad	Yellowberry: one does not simply slap a cat
16:29	sfan5	???
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16:29	* Yellowberry	is scared of cats
16:29	* Yellowberry	has reason to be, because he is a banana
16:29	iqualfragile	hello child!
16:30	PenguinDad	Yellowberry: I'm scared of tall faceless men in suits :P
16:30	Yellowberry	PenguinDad: at least those can't eat me, because they have no face
16:31	Jordach	sfan5, !cat https://i.imgur.com/s9tdEOi.jpg
16:32	PenguinDad	Yellowberry: But they will take you and they will break you
16:32	* Yellowberry	gets very scared of tall faceless men
16:32	sfan5	Jordach: <MinetestBot> [git] sfan5 -> sfan5/minetestbot-modules: cats 83affb3 http://git.io/jAuTaw (2014-10-22T18:32:22+02:00)
16:33	Yellowberry	PenguinDad: do you mean to say they will peel me?
16:35	Yellowberry	this kid never ceases to amaze me:
16:35	Yellowberry	http://www.audiotool.com/user/djsolace1000/
16:35	Yellowberry	I can call him a kid cause he is about a month younger than me :P
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16:36	Yellowberry	^ PenguinDad you may enjoy his music
16:40	Calinou	I'm making a new Ubuntu build (will no longer be run-in-place)
16:40	PenguinDad	Calinou: how about crouch in place?
16:43	Calinou	it's been almost 1 month since last build ;)
16:43	Calinou	will still bundle mapper, NodeBoxEditor, Carbone, More Blocks/Map Tools, some texture packs
16:43	Calinou	all that in a 12 MB .tar.xz
16:43	PenguinDad	Yellowberry: meh :/
16:44	Yellowberry	Meh?
17:00	Yellowberry	I will be back at 3 my time
17:00	Yellowberry	bye
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17:04	Krock	hi ppl
17:04	Calinou	hi Krock
17:04	Calinou	the new Ubuntu build is up
17:04	Krock	\o/ .. wait.. why do I do that?
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17:05	Calinou	my topic got 170 views and 0 replies, I know
17:05	Krock	Can't write a reply. :P
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17:13	Krock	Calinou, I think "It works on all 64-bit processors" would be easier to understand
17:14	celeron55	HERE'S A THING! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgTNHndNCM https://github.com/celeron55/buildat/blob/master/games/digger/main/main.cpp https://github.com/celeron55/buildat/blob/master/games/digger/main/client_lua/init.lua
17:14	* VanessaE	mumbles something about meshes: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10428
17:14	VanessaE	here, have something useful ;)
17:14	Krock	!title
17:14	MinetestBot	Krock: [Mod] Mesh slopes test [0.7][slope_test] - Minetest Forums
17:14	Krock	\o/
17:15	Krock	celeron55, looks nice but the light "gets dark" too fast
17:15	Calinou	can we use custom sun/moon textures inside of a game, without texture pack?
17:16	Krock	Calinou, with a mod
17:16	Jordach	celeron55, realtime lights
17:16	celeron55	Krock: lol i don't even care
17:16	Krock	k. chief.
17:17	Calinou	â€œDon't worry, Urho3D isn't a distro-packageable library due to its various configuration options.â€
17:17	Calinou	wellâ€¦
17:17	Calinou	is this using TCP, or TCP + UDP?
17:18	celeron55	it's as KISS as the concept can go (holy fuck it's large already)
17:18	celeron55	so, TCP-only so far
17:18	Calinou	meh
17:19	Jordach	celeron55, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PYos2gN1atzk.png
17:19	celeron55	how is that a big deal
17:19	Jordach	you darn fucked up :3
17:19	celeron55	which package is that and how did you start it up
17:20	Jordach	full
17:20	celeron55	you can't just click on the exe
17:20	celeron55	use the .bat
17:20	celeron55	it isn't user friendly at all for now; not a priority
17:22	Jordach	killing a connected client kills the server
17:22	celeron55	yes the windows server is broken in that way
17:22	celeron55	go use a real OS, the windows builds are pretty much just a proof that it builds at all
17:23	celeron55	8)
17:24	Jordach	i would but AMD
17:24	Jordach	i bought the wrong chip manufacturer :3
17:24	celeron55	you really should buy a chip manufacturer
17:24	celeron55	and make them make linux compatible stuff
17:25	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7864&p=159421#p158820
17:25	Calinou	whoa
17:25	Calinou	finally object lighting, apparently
17:26	celeron55	but, anyway
17:27	celeron55	i'm looking for people who maybe might be bored with minetest and who can get their head around C++ and would like to spend a bit of time building some stuff on this thing
17:28	Krock	wat? minetest is never boring.
17:28	kilbith	buildat is a real competitor for MT ?
17:28	VanessaE	if you're bored with minetest, play a different subgame.
17:29	celeron55	this isn't a direct competitor because thtis has quite different strengths and weaknesses
17:29	celeron55	thisS*
17:29	celeron55	this*
17:30	kilbith	hmm, ok
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17:32	celeron55	that being said, it probably could replace minetest quite competitively in the long run if people start working toward such
17:32	celeron55	it's capable of being a superset of everything MT can do and probably ever can do
17:33	jin_xi	looks nice
17:34	celeron55	but it's very early in development for that goal (MT has 150klines of code most if which is actually useful; you just don't make that amount of stuff very fast)
17:35	Krock	\o/ new record: compiled MT in just 00:09:09.59 1 minute faster than last time
17:37	Jordach	celeron55, suddenly: some form of API translation
17:41	celeron55	implementing the MT API on buildat is certainly possible in the long run if someone wants to do that
17:41	celeron55	(a lot of work maybe, but that's to be expected)
17:42	Calinou	<Krock> wat? minetest is never boring.
17:42	Calinou	+1
17:42	Krock	:)
17:43	PenguinDad	Krock: +10
17:43	celeron55	as you can see, MT doesn't even need a direct competitor; that's why buildat isn't one
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17:43	celeron55	this is just the only place i know where anyone might get interested at all so this is where i will come looking for people :P
17:44	coagen	celeron55: I"M A REAL PERSON
17:44	* Amaz	is interested!
17:44	Amaz	But doesn't know C++
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17:44	* coagen	carasses his own fleshy skin
17:45	* Krock	is not interested since that's linux stuff
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17:46	coagen	Linux stuff?
17:46	coagen	what did I miss :\|
17:46	* PenguinDad	would be interested in Testraria :D
17:46	celeron55	you missed the link at the topic: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
17:46	celeron55	8)
17:47	coagen	celeron55: thx
17:47	celeron55	PenguinDad: what does that mean
17:47	shadowzone	hello celeron55
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17:48	Calinou	making custom sun/moon textures
17:49	iqualfragile	dear god activity
17:50	PenguinDad	celeron55: a terraria-like based on LÃ–VE or somthing like that ;)
17:50	coagen	celeron55: not a c++ guy, but I will entertain test builds on linux boxes, playing with it in general... might even report bugs if I feel like it
17:51	* coagen	does more scripting that actual coding
17:51	celeron55	PenguinDad: making a terraria-like in buildat is not out of the question 8)
17:52	celeron55	it could even share some item framework or whatever stuff with other buildat games
17:53	Jordach	PenguinDad, err
17:53	celeron55	(that's the spirit of buildat; it's like minetest 0.4 exploded at its roots)
17:54	Jordach	PenguinDad, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8443
17:54	Jordach	i did have a prototype somewhere
17:54	celeron55	i probably should make buildat's website served by buildat itself because buildat
17:55	Jordach	yo dawg, i heard you liked buildat, so i put buildat in your buildat
17:55	* Jordach	is top kek memer
17:56	coagen	heh heh: U R HO 3D
17:56	coagen	u r a ho! in 3d!
17:56	celeron55	urho3d is the stupidest name in the universe; it's made by a finnish guy though so it's understandable
17:57	celeron55	we're the best at inventing bad names
17:57	Jordach	s/bad/untranslatable or difficult to pronounce in english/
17:57	coagen	Unity3D to Urho3D exporter? what? https://urho3d.github.io
17:57	coagen	interesting
17:57	celeron55	i use "namespace magic = Urho3D" a lot in Buildat though 8D
17:58	Jordach	celeron55, now that's how you should program apps
17:58	celeron55	coagen: the importers are for models and some other assets
17:59	coagen	celeron55: cool stuff man, I keep thinking one of these day's I'll try to fool around with unity assets... they make it so easy from what I understand
18:00	celeron55	i sometimes think i should have built buildat on unity, but then again screw it, i'm too edgy for that
18:00	celeron55	and it isn't free software anyway
18:00	iqualfragile	celeron55: python api plz
18:00	celeron55	iqualfragile: maek it
18:01	Amaz	Python api would be awesome.
18:01	celeron55	iqualfragile: altough, actually don't, because the client is locked to lua
18:01	celeron55	it would be weird to program in python and lua
18:01	iqualfragile	python can be sandboxed
18:01	iqualfragile	if you use pypy
18:01	celeron55	yes but the client relies on urho3d's bindings
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18:02	celeron55	and urho3d has bindings only for lua and angelscript, and of out of those only lua is flexible enough for this purpose
18:02	iqualfragile	uh sounds not great
18:02	celeron55	i like lua
18:02	coagen	celeron55: if you made it simple for folks to bring the code into unity... I'm quite certian there would be devs all over it
18:03	celeron55	coagen: uh, what do you mean? probably not possible
18:03	iqualfragile	coagen: unity is not oss
18:03	coagen	celeron55: I know its not free... and I don't like that either... but all the game devs around here use it. :\|
18:03	coagen	iqualfragile: I know that
18:03	coagen	it is free in a sense
18:03	coagen	actually
18:04	coagen	you can get the free version
18:04	coagen	but its not oss
18:04	coagen	there was a game dev thing I went to last year here, even people with seemingly little time or experience had all kinds of weird games on display
18:04	coagen	all composed in unity
18:05	celeron55	all of them were physics puzzle platformers? 8)
18:05	coagen	no
18:05	celeron55	that's what unity games tend to be
18:05	Calinou	<celeron55> i use "namespace magic = Urho3D" a lot in Buildat though 8D
18:05	Calinou	why not namespace urho
18:05	Calinou	or urho3d
18:05	coagen	there was everything from a buddhist skyrim sort of thing to a relationship/kissing game
18:05	coagen	and train, fighting, racing, and other weird games
18:06	coagen	anway
18:06	celeron55	sounds like the gamedev scene there is quite competitive
18:06	coagen	just saying man
18:06	coagen	its crazy
18:06	Calinou	it's cheap
18:06	coagen	they have meetings every week and I'm on their mailing list
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18:06	coagen	used to go to the meetings... haven't been in a while, but the main guys there know me
18:07	PenguinDad	"namespace HowDoesThisEvenWork = Urho3D" :P
18:07	coagen	anyway, if it were easy to get into unity for these folks, I would have no choice but to mention it to them ;)
18:07	celeron55	unity is all C# as far as i know
18:07	coagen	that said, I have no idea what that means
18:07	celeron55	and C# is compatible with pretty much only C#
18:07	coagen	yes, but you can process other langs
18:08	coagen	just have to start with c# then interpret
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18:08	Jordach	interpretted c anyone
18:09	coagen	celeron55: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/unity3d-and-c.186855/ third post
18:09	coagen	forum.unity3d.com/threads/unity3d-and-c.186855/#post-1276991
18:09	celeron55	oh, so unity pro allows C++ plugins
18:10	Calinou	Carbone textures now has sun/moon and custom halo
18:10	celeron55	unity is still windows-only though so i hate it
18:12	coagen	celeron55: incorrect, runs on osx great
18:13	Calinou	it is cross-platform
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18:13	Calinou	but you don't get to choose which platforms it runs on 8)
18:13	coagen	celeron55: http://wiki.unity3d.com/index.php/Running_Unity_on_Linux_through_Wine
18:13	coagen	celeron55: but yes, it does not run natively on linux... which sucks :\|
18:13	celeron55	but i get to write buildat to run on any platforms i choose
18:14	Calinou	https://mediacru.sh/ac5cdddbbc49
18:14	coagen	celeron55: most game dev's I know unfortunately use winblows
18:14	celeron55	the best thing about making things yourself is that you aren't locked to any silly limitations imposed by someone else 8)
18:14	celeron55	coagen: yes, obviously
18:15	Calinou	it moves smoothly, as it's an image, no aliasing :)
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18:16	coagen	then again.... I wonder how many companies are terrified of ms now, with their mc clones...
18:16	Calinou	we're not one
18:16	Calinou	we don't use the same assets
18:17	coagen	mt is not a company, its an oss project
18:17	coagen	I do not think they are the same
18:17	celeron55	the law really only applies to commercial things when it comes to stuff like this
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18:17	celeron55	unless you really copy assets and trademarks
18:18	PenguinDad	Calinou: the sun and moon remind a bit of good morning craft :)
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18:21	Calinou	it isn't even a legal entity, coagen
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18:22	coagen	:\
18:22	coagen	Calinou: actually since you mentioned that
18:23	coagen	celeron55: just curious if you had thought about what you would do if ms wanted to hire you to work on mc related stuff and cease all mt/buildat etc.
18:23	coagen	celeron55: does mt need something like a "foundation" to preserve the freedom?
18:23	coagen	heh
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18:24	iqualfragile	there were talks about putting minetest into a existing foundation a while back
18:24	celeron55	the only things i have control of regarding to MT is the main website, the domain and arguably the trademark
18:24	celeron55	so taking those out, in the worst case, would move people to freeminer or just make up a new name otherrwise and go on
18:24	celeron55	-r
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18:25	celeron55	MT's current organization is pretty much unstoppable
18:25	celeron55	but on the other hand it isn't doing very much either 8)
18:25	Krock	Calinou, 1st image looks interesting (see left side of highlighed tree trunk)
18:25	Calinou	coagen, if that happens (very unlikely anyway), other contributors can work on it
18:26	Krock	it seems to be wrong at the 1st view but correctly when looking agiain
18:26	coagen	celeron55: cool, thanks for answering that
18:26	celeron55	and, i'm 100% sure microsoft isn't going to hire me
18:27	celeron55	not that i'd have asked, but they have plenty of developers in house already, if anything
18:27	coagen	celeron55: they surely have noticed some of the community fleeing mc to go to mt
18:28	iqualfragile	yeah, and they have noticed the dev speed of minetest :)
18:28	celeron55	the fleeing is negligible really
18:28	Calinou	^
18:28	Calinou	contrarily to what you think, companies don't care about movements in general
18:29	Calinou	iqualfragile, which has been decreasingâ€¦
18:29	celeron55	it's very minor even compared to MT's userbase
18:29	coagen	Calinou: they care about controling movements, for profit.
18:29	celeron55	take a look at google trends for example
18:29	iqualfragile	Calinou: yeah, i feel like there is this authority hole, nobody feels like its his department
18:30	coagen	hrm, people need a leader sometimes... or think they do :\|
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18:31	iqualfragile	coagen: or clear policy
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18:33	celeron55	well, for those who want a leader, i'm going to lead buildat for the foreseeable future, because i'm actually making it future-proof unlike minetest
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18:33	celeron55	shameless plug
18:34	sfan5	future-proof?
18:34	shadowzone	yeah explain future-proof
18:34	shadowzone	I'm confused..
18:34	Krock	^
18:34	Calinou	meh
18:34	coagen	future-proof is proof that there is a future
18:34	Calinou	future proof would use a modern rendering engine, good sound capabilities, network, etc
18:34	shadowzone	oh, sounds interesting.
18:34	Calinou	at the cost of running fast right now, probably
18:35	Calinou	I don't believe in future-proofing much
18:35	coagen	or future-proof is a future that is prooved to exist
18:35	celeron55	well it's just from some viewpoints that i personally consider important
18:35	coagen	sorry, "future-proof" sounds like marketing, so I couldn't help myself
18:36	sfan5	"Don't worry, Urho3D isn't a distro-packageable library due to its various configuration options."
18:36	sfan5	:D
18:37	Calinou	exactly against future-proof
18:37	Calinou	as package managers aren't going away anytime soon
18:38	celeron55	you can make fun of me all you want, but i made the base of what you are using now too
18:38	celeron55	8)
18:39	shadowzone	I am not gonna make fun of you.
18:39	shadowzone	I only pick on oOchainLynxOo
18:40	coagen	celeron55: damn right you did, and you deserve our thanks. thank you sir.
18:40	iqualfragile	celeron55: yes, especially for that lovely network code :D socket handling looks wonderfull
18:41	iqualfragile	</irony> thanks for the work, really, i enjoy this game/engine
18:41	coagen	celeron55: I was ecstatic when I found the alpha builds back in 2010, and now 4 years later, its really amazing what has been acomplished
18:42	coagen	celeron55: my kids play this, and my friends kids, etc
18:42	celeron55	the MT community is quite amazing considering the premise
18:43	shadowzone	My siblings play this, friends and my dad sometimes.
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18:43	Cylus	What premise would that be?
18:44	kilbith	we'll never grateful enough with c55 for all the dream he gave to us
18:44	coagen	celeron55: you know the reason I found it, was because I was looking for any kind of mc clone that was not java based, terasology looked amazing, but I refuse to run java if I can avoid it
18:45	coagen	celeron55: I had been trying to teach myself the lwjgl at the time... and block games were all the rage then..
18:46	celeron55	well, minetest is my first ever program to use 3D
18:46	celeron55	at all
18:46	celeron55	ever
18:46	celeron55	it's ridiculous
18:47	coagen	celeron55: have you looked at/tried terasology? I really liked the way it looked :\|
18:47	sfan5	programmers are usually not good a graphics
18:47	sfan5	and (I think) shaders are kind of complicated
18:47	sfan5	maybe I just read the wrong docs on GLSL
18:48	Cylus	Wow, your first 3D program is a massive success then!
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18:48	coagen	wow, just found this interesting post: mentions MT, https://www.reddit.com/r/Terasology/comments/2gi0qi/minecraftmojang_has_been_bought_by_microsoft_sell/
18:49	PILZADAM	sfan5, read chapter 1 and 2 of http://arcsynthesis.org/gltut/
18:52	Krock	I'm looking for a mod with some simple furnitures, like a wardrobe, chairs and a table. homedecor looks a bit heavy for that
18:52	Krock	*only for that
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18:53	yummy_ginger	Krock, homedecore heavy???? no way !! its only like 20 pages in unified_inventory
18:53	Krock	yeah. only.
18:53	Krock	got 3 pages yet
18:53	VanessaE	20 pages, hah
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18:54	kilbith	4 pages actually
18:54	yummy_ginger	i have tried to get mrs VanessaE to do a lite ver but well ....... why not??
18:54	* yummy_ginger	pokes VanessaE
18:55	* pENGUINdAD	meows at IQUALFRAGILE
18:55	shadowzone	What is it with the all caps nicknames?
18:55	IQUALFRAGILE	INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY
18:55	VanessaE	oh G*d no.
18:55	VanessaE	not that
18:55	SHADOWZONE	what?
18:56	IQUALFRAGILE	VANESSAE: JUST A FEW MORE HOURS
18:56	* VanessaE	ripped the caps-lock key off her keyboard ages ago
18:56	gravgun	Caps Lock: the key that should not exist
18:56	IQUALFRAGILE	MY KEYBOARD LAYOUT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE CAPSLOCK
18:56	SHADOWZONE	VANESSAE THAT'S SAD
18:56	IQUALFRAGILE	WELL, IT DOES, BUT IT USES THE CAPSLOCK KEY TO SWITH TO LAYERâ€¦ 3 I THINK
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18:57	pENGUINdAD	vANESSAe: i'M ONLY INVERTED CASE :p
18:58	KROCK	weee
18:58	IQUALFRAGILE	pENGUINdAD: WELL, SOME KEYBOARD LAYOUTS DO THAT
18:58	KROCK	I MEAN 'WEEEE'
18:58	IQUALFRAGILE	KROCK: BETTER!
18:58	pENGUINdAD	iqualfragile: i DIDN'T KNOW THAT
18:58	KROCK	^^
18:59	IQUALFRAGILE	WELL, MINE DOES
18:59	KROCK	/\ /\
19:03	rubenwardy	Hi all!
19:03	pENGUINdAD	hI RUBENWARDY!
19:03	rubenwardy	http://rubenwardy.github.io/
19:04	IQUALFRAGILE	HELLO RUBENWARDY!
19:05	rubenwardy	WHAT'S WITH ALL THE SHOUTING?
19:05	IQUALFRAGILE	ITS CAPSLOCK DAY
19:05	pENGUINdAD	iNTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY
19:05	IQUALFRAGILE	YES! INTERNATIONAL!
19:06	MinetestBot	[git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Add Indonesian Language 171bbd7 http://git.io/EDdIRA (2014-10-22T21:05:14+02:00)
19:06	MinetestBot	[git] Rui914 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Japanese) 31a8a80 http://git.io/SUxHMw (2014-10-22T21:05:14+02:00)
19:06	MinetestBot	[git] davexunit -> minetest/minetest: Search for subgames using $MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH. fd5eaae http://git.io/sVuf8g (2014-10-22T21:05:14+02:00)
19:06	IQUALFRAGILE	GOOD! ACTIVITY!
19:06	GRAVGUN	OKAY I WANNA BE PART OF THE PARTY
19:06	coagen	SRSLY
19:06	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: WELCOME TO THE PARTY
19:06	coagen	i HAD NO
19:06	GRAVGUN	YAY
19:06	coagen	IDEA
19:06	IQUALFRAGILE	TAKE SOME LEMONS!
19:06	coagen	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock
19:06	GRAVGUN	BTW I USE SHIFT NOT CAPS LOCK
19:07	GRAVGUN	SO ITS JUST CAPS DAY
19:07	Cylus	i'LL BRING THE CHIPS AND SALSA.
19:08	pENGUINdAD	i'LL BRING THE MOUNTAIN DEW :p
19:08	GRAVGUN	i'LL BRING BUCKETS OF CAPS LOCK KEYS
19:09	* pENGUINdAD	HUGS Cylus FOR BEING INVERTED CASE
19:09	sfan5	WUB WUB WUB
19:09	IQUALFRAGILE	RUBENWARDY HAS TOO SMALL EARS
19:10	sfan5	I HAVE EARS, PET ME!
19:10	GRAVGUN	KEEP MERGIN' SFAN5
19:10	GRAVGUN	WE HAVE TO SHOUT
19:10	GRAVGUN	YER EARS MIGHT BLOW
19:10	cYLUS	pENGUINdAD: i'M USING CAPS LOCK. oN lINUX AND wINDOS, THAT INVERTS THE CASE. nOT ON A mAC THOUGH.
19:10	* pENGUINdAD	ROFLS
19:10	* gloop	PETS SFAN%
19:11	pENGUINdAD	sfan5: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/fd5eaae2babb322f8a3e2acab55a12e218814c8e has indentation issues
19:12	sfan5	pENGUINdAD: you could have said that before the merge
19:12	GRAVGUN	OH WAIT
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19:13	GRAVGUN	MINETEST DOC IS IN TROFF
19:13	GRAVGUN	WHO USES TROFF TODAY
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19:13	pENGUINdAD	GRAVGUN: MAN PAGES i THINK
19:13	cYLUS	wHAT IS "TROFF"?
19:13	GRAVGUN	A MANUAL PAGE FORMAT
19:13	Calinou	<sfan5> programmers are usually not good a graphics
19:13	Calinou	artists don't code shaders usually
19:13	GRAVGUN	"GOOD A GRAPHICS"
19:14	GRAVGUN	ENGLISH
19:14	Calinou	hi rub
19:14	Calinou	oops, he is gone
19:14	Calinou	I was looking at the log
19:14	Calinou	<coagen> IDEA
19:14	Calinou	IntelliJ.
19:15	pENGUINdAD	iNTERESTING idea :d
19:15	cYLUS	i NEVER COULD GET iNTELIj SET UP WHEN i TRIED. iT KEPT HAVING jAVA ERRORS.
19:15	pENGUINdAD	ALSO WTF IS GOING ON WITH sOUNDcLOUD?
19:15	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: SAME
19:16	sfan5	pENGUINdAD: do you even status.soundcloud.com
19:16	sfan5	Calinou: thats not what i said
19:16	MinetestBot	[git] maciej.kasatkino2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Fix broken plantlike drawtype. 7e34621 http://git.io/wD1X5Q (2014-10-22T21:15:31+02:00)
19:16	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: THIS IDE WONT LET ME USE OPENJDK
19:16	GRAVGUN	WOO FINALLY
19:16	cYLUS	sOUNDcLOUD IS A PAIN FOR ME ALL THE TIME, SO i PRETTY MUCH STAY AWAY FROM THAT PLACE.
19:16	pENGUINdAD	sfan5: nothing important there it seems :/
19:17	IQUALFRAGILE	cYLUS: YOUTUBE-DL FTW!
19:17	cYLUS	GRAVGUN: iNTELIj WON'T?
19:17	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: I TRIED IT COMPLAINED EVERYTIME
19:17	IQUALFRAGILE	ALSO: DELETE FLASHPLAYER11.EXE
19:17	cYLUS	GRAVGUN: mAYBE THAT'S WHY i CAN'T MAKE IT WORK THEN. i'M USING oPENjdk.
19:18	cYLUS	i FINALLY GOT eCLIPSE TO WORK THOUGH, SO i DON'T NEED iNTELIj ANY MORE.
19:18	IQUALFRAGILE	WHAT DO YOU NEED JAVA FOR?
19:18	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: ITS FOR ORACLE (IE B*TCHES) LOVERS ONLY
19:18	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: ANDROID MAYBE
19:19	pENGUINdAD	pRAISE tHE oRACLE :p
19:19	cYLUS	GRAVGUN: uGH, iNTERNET eXPLORER. tHE BANE OF wEB DEVELOPERS EVERYWHERE.
19:19	Jordach	da rage is reel
19:19	cYLUS	IQUALFRAGILE: i'M TRYING TO GET STARTED IN aNDROID DEVELOPMENT.
19:19	IQUALFRAGILE	DON'T ITS NOT FREE!
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19:19	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: NO NOT IE INTERNET EXPLHORROR, I MEANT I.E. AS IN "ID EST"
19:20	cYLUS	IQUALFRAGILE: cORRECTION: rEPLICANT DEVELOPMENT.
19:20	IQUALFRAGILE	GOOD
19:20	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: APACHE LICENSE MAKES ME SAD
19:20	GRAVGUN	TOO PERMISSIVE FOR PPL TO MAKE EVERYTHING CLOSED
19:20	cYLUS	IQUALFRAGILE: mOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT i MEAN WHEN i SAY "rEPLICANT THOUGH".
19:20	pENGUINdAD	GRAVGUN: aPACHES USE LICENCES?
19:21	cYLUS	GRAVGUN: wHAT IS "ID EST"?
19:21	cYLUS	*"rEPLICANT" THOUGH
19:21	GRAVGUN	pENGUINdAD: NO, ANDROID USES THE "APACHE LICENSE". GOOGLE IT
19:21	pENGUINdAD	GRAVGUN: i KNOW THAT
19:22	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: "ID EST" IS LATIN, WRITTEN SHORTHAND IN ENGLISH AS "I.E." WHICH MEANS "THAT IS"
19:22	cYLUS	tHE aNDROID BASE DOES, BUT aNDROID TYPICALLY COMES BLOATED WITH PROPRIETARY gOOGLE JUNK AS WELL.
19:22	cYLUS	GRAVGUN: aH, GOT IT.
19:22	GRAVGUN	cYLUS: NOT ONLY GOOGLE JUNK
19:22	cYLUS	aLSO CARRIER JUNK.
19:22	GRAVGUN	ALSO FREQUENTLY WITH POWERVR CRAPPY DRIVERS
19:22	cYLUS	aND oem JUNK.
19:22	GRAVGUN	AND YE
19:22	GRAVGUN	CARRIER
19:23	GRAVGUN	SADLY THE ONLY OPEN BASEBAND DRIVER IS oSMOCOMbb
19:23	GRAVGUN	WHICH SUPPORTS SOME OLD PHONES
19:23	GRAVGUN	DATS ALL
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19:24	GRAVGUN	SO I THOUGHT I MIGHT GIVE A SHOT AT jOLLA PHONES AND os
19:24	GRAVGUN	BUT PHONE COSTS WAY TOO MUCH FOR WHAT IT IS
19:24	Calinou	<cYLUS> GRAVGUN: uGH, iNTERNET eXPLORER. tHE BANE OF wEB DEVELOPERS EVERYWHERE.
19:24	Calinou	IE10 and IE11 aren't that bad
19:24	Calinou	support-wise
19:24	GRAVGUN	YES THEY ARE
19:24	Calinou	same goes for Java performance
19:24	GRAVGUN	STILL NO FULL CSS3D SUPPORT
19:24	Calinou	(try not to Javhate)
19:25	GRAVGUN	i HAVE NO HATE FOR JAVA
19:25	cYLUS	Calinou: i HEAR VERSION TEN finally SUPPORTS BASIC xhtml RENDERING.
19:25	GRAVGUN	JUST TOWARD oRACLE
19:26	pENGUINdAD	hOW CAN ONE HATE THE oRACLE? :(
19:26	ShadowNinja	BTW, you can participate in CapsLock day with lowercase letters, just hold shift a lot. :-P
19:27	GRAVGUN	ShadowNinja: it's disturbing to type with shift reversed
19:27	GRAVGUN	WAIT A SEC ILL SET MY META KEY TO BE A SHIFT TOGGLE
19:27	ShadowNinja	kilbith: Your ladder texture seems to have vertical lines on the rungs now. Can you break those up?
19:28	kilbith	ShadowNinja: i'll add more noise on them later
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19:28	GRAVGUN	BTW DEVS, IS NODEMESHES ANIMATION PLANNED?
19:29	pENGUINdAD	GRAVGUN: RealBadAngel WILL BE WORKING ON IT SOON
19:29	GRAVGUN	COOL
19:29		Erthome joined #minetest
19:29	GRAVGUN	BUT FOR NOW HE HAS SOME MEMORY LEAKS TO FIX ISNT IT?
19:29	pENGUINdAD	bUT DON'T TELL ME THAT i SHOULD DEFINE SOON :p
19:30	GRAVGUN	SPOOOOOOON
19:30	kilbith	ShadowNinja: these vertical "lines" are so shocking ?
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19:30	pENGUINdAD	afaik THEY'RE ALREADY FIXED
19:30	ShadowNinja	kilbith: They're very noticable to me.
19:31	shadowzone	when is caps day done?
19:31	kilbith	ShadowNinja: compared to the current ladder, it's quite minor...
19:32	IQUALFRAGILE	SHADOWZONE: GERMANY IS OUT OF IT IN ABOUT 2:30
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19:32	pENGUINdAD	shadowzone: IN ABOUT 2 HOURS AND 30 MINUTES IN MY TIMEZONE
19:32	shadowzone	\o/
19:32	GRAVGUN	SAME FOR ME
19:32	shadowzone	and
19:32	GRAVGUN	IN 2:30
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19:33	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: WHERE YOU FROM?
19:33	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: FRANCE
19:33	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: OH DEAR GOD
19:33	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: FRANCE
19:33	GRAVGUN	OOPS
19:33	IQUALFRAGILE	YES, READ THAT
19:34	GRAVGUN	UP-ENTER DOES NOT PLAY GOOD
19:34	IQUALFRAGILE	WAS STUPID OF ME TO ASK
19:34	GRAVGUN	SO WHAT "DEAR GOD"
19:34	GRAVGUN	YOU COULD WHOIS ME
19:34	pENGUINdAD	IQUALFRAGILE: OH MON DIEU :p
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19:34	IQUALFRAGILE	YOU ARE IN THE -FR CHANNEL SO SHOULD NOT HAVE ASKED
19:34	ShadowNinja	kilbith: Actually the current ladder looks (a litte bit) better in that respect.
19:34	IQUALFRAGILE	WB SHADOWZONE
19:34	pENGUINdAD	IQUALFRAGILE: GET IN MY VAN! Xd
19:35	ShadowNinja	kilbith: The 6th and 7th columns have the most noticable line.
19:35	ShadowNinja	(pixel columns)
19:35	ShadowNinja	8th and 9th are next.
19:35	IQUALFRAGILE	pENGUINdAD: NO, SHADOWZONE HAS TO GET INTO THE VAN
19:35	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: WHERE IS THE VAN?
19:36	IQUALFRAGILE	ITS IN BY GARAGE
19:36	shadowzone	I ain't gettin' in no van.
19:36	shadowzone	without grabbing some beer
19:36	shadowzone	XD
19:36	GRAVGUN	FREE AS IN FREE BEER WHATSMORE
19:36	GRAVGUN	OH ALSO, IS SOME KIND OF CONNECTED TEXTURES SUPPORT PLANNED?
19:37	kilbith	ShadowNinja: each pixel have a // color, i don't really understand :/
19:37	ShadowNinja	~topic add cAPSlOCK DAY!
19:37		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 \| Please be patient, responses may take a while \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| Use https://mediacru.sh for images and http://pastie.org for text \| cAPSlOCK DAY!
19:37	GRAVGUN	HUHU OFFICIAL cAPSlOCK DAY ANNOUNCEMENT
19:37	ShadowNinja	kilbith: One moment...
19:38	shadowzone	lol
19:38	IQUALFRAGILE	sHADOWZONE: THERE WILL BE BEER IN THE VAN
19:38	sHADOWZONE	Good
19:39	sHADOWZONE	tHERE BETTER BE
19:39	IQUALFRAGILE	BUT YOU WON'T GET ANY
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19:39	cYLUS	ShadowNinja: cAN ShadowBot ALSO REMOVE TOPICS, OR ONLY APPEND THEM?
19:39	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE, WILL I GET SOME?
19:39	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: DEPENDS ON AGE
19:40	IQUALFRAGILE	http://weknowmemes.com/2012/03/welcome-to-4chan/
19:40	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: AH DARN, GETTING 18 ON JANUARY
19:40	ShadowNinja	cYLUS: ,,(list topic)
19:40	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: add, change, default, fit, get, insert, list, lock, redo, remove, reorder, replace, restore, save, separator, set, shuffle, swap, topic, undo, and unlock
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19:40	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: DOES NOT MATTER, VAN IS IN GERMANY
19:40	IQUALFRAGILE	16 --> BEER TIME!
19:40	cYLUS	ShadowNinja: nICE!
19:40	sHADOWZONE	yAY
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19:41	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: OH I FORGOT GERMANS ARE BEER DRINKERS
19:41	cYLUS	i HOPE THE BEER ISN'T MANDITORY. iT WILL BE 16 IN THREE HOURS, BUT i'M NOT A DRINKER.
19:42	IQUALFRAGILE	cYLUS: BEER IS NOT MANDATORY
19:42	IQUALFRAGILE	YOU CAN ALSO JUST INSTANTLY INGEST THE ETHER
19:42	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: HOW FUNNY, MY PARENTS TALKED ABOUT GOING IN GERMANY SOME DAY TO SEE WHAT OKTOBERFEST IS LIKE RECENTLY
19:42	IQUALFRAGILE	OKTOBERFEST SUCKS
19:42	ShadowNinja	kilbith: I see lines here: http://i.imgur.com/xbv90yp.png
19:42	* ElectronLibre	IS WONDERING WHY ALL THESE LETTERS ARE AS BIG AS THEY ARE. That's horrible for our eyes...
19:42	cYLUS	IQUALFRAGILE: "ETHER"?
19:42	IQUALFRAGILE	IM FROM BAVARIA SO YOU CAN TRUST ME ON THAT ONE
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19:43	IQUALFRAGILE	ELECTRONLIBRE: LOOK AT THE TOPIC
19:44	kilbith	ShadowNinja: ok I see, but you must look very attentively to notice that
19:44	IQUALFRAGILE	eLCTRONlIBRE: THATS THE SPIRIT!
19:44	pENGUINdAD	IQUALFRAGILE: LAGFEST IS WORSE
19:45	GRAVGUN	OH LOOK
19:45	kilbith	ShadowNinja: I'll add some contrasted pixels then
19:45	ShadowNinja	kilbith: For me it's very obvious, but I guess it depends on the person.
19:45	GRAVGUN	PEOPLE ARE SCARED AND LEAVING BECAUSE CAPS
19:46	celeron55	THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO A SHOP TO BUY A KEYBOARD WITH A CAPSLOCK TO REPLACE THEIR MISFEATURED ONE
19:46	IQUALFRAGILE	cYLUS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether ETHER!
19:47	GRAVGUN	^o^
19:47	IQUALFRAGILE	EXACTLY!
19:47	GRAVGUN	BEST MOLECULE ETHER
19:47	sHADOWZONE	https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/caps-lock-day/
19:48	eLCTRONlIBRE	I'm ok with changing my nickname but using capslocks is too ugly x).. hO AND YOU KNOW WHAT, iT4S cAPSlOCK DAY, SO I USE cAPSlOCK...
19:49	pENGUINdAD	eLCTRONlIBRE: iT ISN'T UGLY!
19:49	eLCTRONlIBRE	tO ME IT4S HORRIBLE TO READ X)..
19:49	IQUALFRAGILE	INVERTED CASE IS HORRIBLE
19:49	IQUALFRAGILE	CAPSLOCK IS QUITE OK
19:50	Calinou	capslock is worse than all-smalls for reading
19:50	* eLCTRONlIBRE	agrees.
19:50	GRAVGUN	Calinou: that's why I'd prefer having an alphabet that does not have caps/smalls variations
19:51	Calinou	that's be insane
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19:53	gravgun	o.o QUASSEL SEGFAULTED
19:53	GRAVGUN	sá´á´€ÊŸÊŸá´„á´€á´˜s á´€Ê€á´‡ Ò“ÉªÉ´á´‡ á´›á´á´
19:53	PenguinDad	Boss Mode deactivated!
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19:53	OldCoder	Caps Lock is Cruise Control for Cool :P
19:53	eLCTRONlIBRE	Everything is possible GRAVGUN (except minetest to be bought by Microsoft) x)...
19:54	OldCoder	Google will buy MT instead :P
19:54	IQUALFRAGILE	OldCoder: THATS MY MAN!
19:54	GRAVGUN	eLCTRONlIBRE: HEH 2.5 BILLION IN MY POCKET
19:54	Calinou	PenguinDad, pony mode activated!
19:54	OldCoder	eLCTRONlIBRE, Everything is possible... except for skiing through a revolving door
19:54	GRAVGUN	OldCoder: WAT?
19:54	sHADOWZONE	google is gonna buy minetest?
19:54	GRAVGUN	sHADOWZONE: PROBABLY NOT
19:55	sHADOWZONE	good
19:55	GRAVGUN	HOW DOES ONE EVEN BUY AN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT?
19:55	Amaz	Go to the owner with a lot of cash?
19:55	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: YOU FIRST NEED A LOT OF MAGNETS
19:55	DogePony	GRAVGUN: I have no idea
19:55	IQUALFRAGILE	BIG STRONG MAGNETS
19:55	IQUALFRAGILE	THEN YOU HUNT DOWN EVERYBODY THAT HAS A COPY OF THE SOURCE
19:55	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: HDD HEAD MAGNETS?
19:55	IQUALFRAGILE	AND EREASE THEM
19:55	IQUALFRAGILE	USING THE MAGNETS
19:55	OldCoder	Caps Lock make kittens hiss
19:55	GRAVGUN	SSD BITCHES
19:56	GRAVGUN	DOESNT EVEN CARE ABOUT MAGNETS :p
19:56	IQUALFRAGILE	THEN YOU GIVE EVERYBODY THAT EVER CONTRIBUTED CODE TO THE PROJECT LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO BUY IT
19:56	OldCoder	No, it won't work like that, I'm afraid
19:56	Calinou	there'd be always someone refusing
19:56	OldCoder	Project is too unstructured. But some things may be possible.
19:56	Calinou	see marktraceur and license change in June 2012
19:57	Calinou	then you need to rewrite code
19:57	GRAVGUN	OldCoder: It won't. (L)GPL already makes us release our work to everybody
19:57	OldCoder	Part of my point
19:57	Calinou	buildat is permissively licensed 8)
19:57	Calinou	(cough cough)
19:57	GRAVGUN	oh noes
19:57	GRAVGUN	OH NOES
19:57	OldCoder	However, additionally structure can be added
19:57	OldCoder	* additional
19:57	GRAVGUN	While I'm not against permissive licenses
19:57	GRAVGUN	I'm not OK with them
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19:58	XACK	:D
19:58	Calinou	to me, they're problematic (bad choices) on large â€œend productâ€ projects
19:58	Calinou	hi XACK
19:59	IQUALFRAGILE	ShadowNinja: WHT IF WRONG WITH YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION?
19:59	IQUALFRAGILE	YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN JUST /NICK SHADOWZONE?
19:59	Calinou	XACK, https://mediacru.sh/ac5cdddbbc49
19:59	XACK	hi Calinou :D
19:59	Calinou	textured sun/moon, selection box
19:59	Calinou	roon sun/moon like in Minecraft Beta 1.9pre4
19:59	Calinou	(it lasted so short)
20:00	Calinou	small moon/sun (realistic-ish sizes for once)
20:04	GRAVGUN	ANYBODY HERE ALREADY PLAYED iNFINIMINER?
20:05	VanessaE	Calinou: you figured it out eh?
20:05	VanessaE	looks good
20:07	DogePony	GRAVGUN: I didn't play infiniminer
20:07	VanessaE	GRAVGUN: never played it.
20:07	VanessaE	or MC for that mattr.
20:07	VanessaE	+e
20:08	GRAVGUN	DogePony, VanessaE: oh :( Actually I'm doing a clone in C++
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20:08	GRAVGUN	Because .NET sucks
20:09	DogePony	Clone technology! D:
20:10	GRAVGUN	Huh
20:11	GRAVGUN	But I'm having problems with my network layer :(
20:15	Calinou	water_wave_height = 4.0
20:15	Calinou	water_wave_length = 4.0
20:15	Calinou	water_wave_speed = 256.0
20:15	Calinou	bhahahaha
20:16	Calinou	set this, enable shaders and waving water
20:16	Calinou	trippy
20:16	Calinou	works on lava too
20:16	cYLUS	iF i RECALL, iNFINIMINER WAS wiNDOWS-ONLY WHENi TRIED TO TRY IT, SO i DIDN'T END UP GETTING TO PLAY.
20:17	Calinou	water_wave_height = 1.0
20:17	Calinou	water_wave_length = 8.0
20:17	Calinou	water_wave_speed = 16.0
20:17	Calinou	good, sane settings
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20:20	eLCTRONlIBRE	Calinou, very strange settings for waving water shader x)..
20:20	IQUALFRAGILE	ShadowNinja: WHY DID YOU CALL YOURSELF CHICKEN?
20:21	shadowzone	Me?
20:21	IQUALFRAGILE	OH, SORRY ShadowNinja TABFAIL
20:22	IQUALFRAGILE	YES YOU CHILD
20:23	coagen	HAY
20:23	DogePony	coagen: STRAW
20:23	coagen	I CAN HAS COMMAND TO REVIVE PLAERS?
20:23	coagen	THEY DED
20:24	VanessaE	coagen: /shutdown :)
20:24	coagen	RESPAWN IMPLACE?
20:24	coagen	VanessaE: rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
20:24	VanessaE	heh
20:24	coagen	:P
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20:25	PennartLoettring	yAY FOR CAPSLOCK DAY
20:25	coagen	YAY!
20:25	coagen	INTERNATIONAL COCKSLAPDAY!
20:26	coagen	INTERNATIONAL COCKSLAP DAY!
20:26	coagen	err
20:26	coagen	INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY!
20:26	IQUALFRAGILE	coagen: YOU WILL GET THERE
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20:27	* coagen	COCK SLAPS IQUALFRAGILE
20:27	coagen	YOU FIRST! :d
20:27	IQUALFRAGILE	REQUESTING BAN
20:27	coagen	:\|
20:27	IQUALFRAGILE	DIRTY WORDS WERE USED
20:27	IQUALFRAGILE	AND NOT BY ME!
20:27	IQUALFRAGILE	WHAT AN INSULT
20:28	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: http://www.reddit.com/user/PennartLoettring is that you?
20:28	PennartLoettring	Bingo
20:28	coagen	BLAME MY CO-WORKERS, WHEN i TOLD THEM IT WAS CAPSLOCKDAY, THEY SAID THEY THOUGHT THEY HEARD "COCKSLAP DAY"
20:28	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: JUST SAW YER NAME ON /R/LINUXCIRCLEJERK
20:28	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: eRMAGHERD
20:28	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: iLLERMINERTI
20:29	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: ERCH IS DE BEST
20:29	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: and yes, I
20:29	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: and yes, I'm the owner of http://reddit.com/r/Poettrix
20:29	PennartLoettring	and http://github.com/PennartLoettring/Poettrix
20:29	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: OH YEA DAT SUBREDDIT WHERE I UPLENNARTED EVERYTHING
20:29	PennartLoettring	and I'm an alt account of Zatherz ;D
20:29	PennartLoettring	AKA ThatZatherz
20:30	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: you gave me an idea
20:30	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: WHICH?
20:30	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: ARE YOU WORKING IN THE PORN INDUSTRY?
20:30	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: I will change the images of the upvote arrows to Lennart's face
20:30	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: EH NOPE
20:30	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: AND HIDE THE DOWNVOTE BUTTON
20:30	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: GOTTA UPVOTE PENNART LOETTRING
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20:30	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: NO DOWNLENNARTS TO THE LEFT?
20:30	PennartLoettring	nO
20:31	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: ILL USE SYSTEMD-DOWNLENNARTD TO DO IT THEN
20:31	coagen	DOWNVOTE ICON SHOULD BE THE Gnu
20:31	PennartLoettring	DON'T WORRY
20:31	PennartLoettring	SYSTEMD-REDDITD IS IN DEVELOPMENT
20:31	GRAVGUN	HOW ADVANCED IS SYSTEMD-INTERNETD?
20:31	coagen	DOWNVOTE = https://www.gnu.org/graphics/gerwinski-gnu-head.png
20:31	coagen	AMIRITE?
20:32	PennartLoettring	IT STARTS 3 SECONDS FASTER
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20:32	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: WTF SHOULD THAT DO?
20:32	cYLUS	"aMERITE" SOUNDS LIKE A MINERAL.
20:32	IQUALFRAGILE	SYSTEMD ALREADY DOES WHAT INETD DID
20:32	GRAVGUN	EG?
20:32	PennartLoettring	ALSO SYSTEMD-SEXD IS CUMMING IN THE NEXT RELEASE
20:32	GRAVGUN	OH YEEEESSSSS
20:32	GRAVGUN	PENNART YOU GOD
20:32	PennartLoettring	ALSO
20:33	PennartLoettring	SYSTEMD-SHELLD
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20:33	IQUALFRAGILE	SYSTEMD SHELDON?
20:33	GRAVGUN	BUT WILL YOU MAKE SYSTEMD-CONDOMD NON-OPTIONAL?
20:33	PennartLoettring	THE NEW {B,Z,F,K,C,TC}SH KILLER
20:33	PennartLoettring	but actually
20:33	PennartLoettring	I'm really developing shelld
20:33	GRAVGUN	rly?
20:33	PennartLoettring	yes
20:33	GRAVGUN	What will it do?
20:33	PennartLoettring	it will be the worst shell ever
20:33	PennartLoettring	where there are no commands
20:33	PennartLoettring	only daemons you start
20:34	PennartLoettring	"systemctl start echod $(systemctl start textd "HAI WURLD")"
20:34	PennartLoettring	IT WILL BE
20:34	PennartLoettring	THE STANDARD SHELL
20:34	PennartLoettring	IN DA OS FOR DA REAL MANZ
20:34	coagen	THE ONLY SHELL
20:34	GRAVGUN	"systemctl start ircd $(systemctl start ircd-sendd "OH HAI")"
20:34	PennartLoettring	DA POETTRIX P.0377r1-NG
20:35	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: but really, systemd is a PITA; I tried to make a small Arch system on my SSD just to see how fast it boots
20:35	GRAVGUN	Darn, even xf86-input-evdev depends on systemDick
20:36	coagen	GRAVGUN: MANJARO+OPENRC FTW YO, GOT IT SET UP ON 2 MACHINES SO FAR, I'M LUVIN IT
20:36	PennartLoettring	WUT R U SAYIN PLEB?
20:36	PennartLoettring	ARCH + INITSCRIPTS FOREVAH
20:36	GRAVGUN	coagen: WILL LOOK INTO OPENRC SOON
20:36	coagen	GRAVGUN: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=7jkrovos7pkpg9hmjnis2ccus5&topic=16177.0
20:36	IQUALFRAGILE	NO PROBLEM WITH SYSTEMD HERE
20:36	IQUALFRAGILE	I LIKE IT
20:36	coagen	GRAVGUN: DAOWNLODD ISO NAO!!!
20:36	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: WHAT DO YOU THINK I WROTE AS INIT?
20:36	IQUALFRAGILE	IT DOES WHAT I WANT IT TO DO
20:36	PennartLoettring	IQUALFRAGILE: I LIKE IT TOO
20:37	PennartLoettring	BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER
20:37	PennartLoettring	I'M PENNART LOETTRING
20:37	PennartLoettring	I KNOW BETTA
20:37	IQUALFRAGILE	GOTTA HATE LENNART?
20:37	PennartLoettring	*BETTAH
20:37	PennartLoettring	btw
20:37	PennartLoettring	you can actually get initscripts on Arch back
20:37	GRAVGUN	FUCK DAT ILL CREATE MY OWN lfs SYSTEM
20:37	coagen	PENNART IS THE ONE, LIKE NEO IN THE MATRIX
20:37	coagen	HE CAN SEE THE CODE
20:37	PennartLoettring	"initscripts-fork", an up-to-date initscripts fork
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20:37	coagen	SHOW US THE WAY
20:37	GRAVGUN	NEO TEH MARTIX HAZ U
20:37	IQUALFRAGILE	OR YOU COULD JUST INIT=/USR/BIN/EMACS
20:38	PennartLoettring	U PLEB
20:38	coagen	SHOW US THE WAY TO ZION PENNART
20:38	GRAVGUN	EMACS IS A MORE COMPLETE ENVIRONMENT THAN KDE SO THATS FINE
20:38	PennartLoettring	I SYMLINK THE LINUX KERNEL TO EMACS PLEB
20:38	coagen	<Sinc> I saved people time <Sinc> and symlinked everything to
20:38	PennartLoettring	U KNO NOTHIN
20:38	coagen	systemctl poweroff <Sinc> Because if they're using systemd, life is already
20:39	coagen	forfeit
20:39	PennartLoettring	would be better as:
20:39	PennartLoettring	<Sinc> I saved people time
20:39	PennartLoettring	<Sinc> and symlinked everything to systemctl poweroff
20:39	PennartLoettring	<Sinc> Because if they're using systemd, life is already forfeit
20:39	coagen	THX, SRRY FORFATTING
20:39	GRAVGUN	SYSTEMD-POWEROFFD
20:40	PennartLoettring	SYSTEMD-SYSTEMDD
20:40	PennartLoettring	WANT MORE CONTROL OVER SYSTEMD?
20:40	PennartLoettring	NO PROBLEM!
20:40	PennartLoettring	JUST GET THE FRESH SYSTEM DAEMON DAEMON FOR THE SYSTEM DAEMON
20:40	IQUALFRAGILE	PennartLoettring: I NEED SYSTEMD-MINETESTD
20:40	GRAVGUN	IQUALFRAGILE: DONT WORRY ILL WRITE IT
20:41	IQUALFRAGILE	GRAVGUN: HAVE FUN SUPPORTING SOCKET ACTIVATION :d
20:41	GRAVGUN	lol
20:41	GRAVGUN	Who needs sockets when you have named pipes?
20:41	GRAVGUN	(pipes perf is actually > sockets perf)
20:42	PennartLoettring	FSCK U PLEB WITH YOUR WINDOZE NAMED PIPE SHIT
20:42	PennartLoettring	REAL MEN USE FIFOs
20:42	GRAVGUN	AND WHAT ARE PIPES?
20:42	PennartLoettring	ON A MULTICS MACHINE
20:42	GRAVGUN	FIFOs
20:42	PennartLoettring	I MEAN THE NAME
20:42	PennartLoettring	FSCK YOUR NAMED PIPE MICROSOFT BULLSHIT
20:42	PennartLoettring	REAL MEN CALL IT FIFOs
20:42	GRAVGUN	OKAY OKAY
20:43	GRAVGUN	ILL CALL THEM /VAR/RUN PIPES
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20:43	PennartLoettring	lol
20:43	PennartLoettring	WHAT LANGUAGE IS DAT SHIT?
20:43	GRAVGUN	LUA
20:43	PennartLoettring	JAVASHIT?
20:43	PennartLoettring	LUASHIT?
20:44	GRAVGUN	PENNART, PREFER WHAT
20:44	coagen	PennartLoettring: cAN PIPE DA OUTPUT OF SVCHOST.EXE TO SYSTEMD-LOGIND?
20:44	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: BRAINFUCK
20:44	PennartLoettring	coagen: FSCK YOUR .EXE FILEZ
20:44	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: I HOPE YER HAPPY SYSTEMD IS BECOMING LINUXS SVCHOST
20:44	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: IF IT'S COMPATIBLR
20:44	PennartLoettring	*COMPATIBLE
20:44	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: SUBMIT AN ISSUE ASAP
20:44	GRAVGUN	SYSTEMD: REQUIRES WINELIB NOW
20:45	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: lol
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20:45	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: SYSTEMD, CURRENTLY ONLY A WINE PORT
20:45	GRAVGUN	SYSTEMD-WINED
20:45	GRAVGUN	MANDATORY FOR RUNNING SYSTEMD
20:45	PennartLoettring	BUT BUT
20:45	PennartLoettring	YOU NEED SYSTEMD TO BE ALREADY RUNNING
20:46	PennartLoettring	YOU NEED SYSTEMD FOR SYSTEMD-WINED
20:46	PennartLoettring	AND SYSTEMD-WINED FOR SYSTEMD
20:46	PennartLoettring	FSCK YOUR CIRCULAR DEPENDENCIES, FIX YOUR FSCKING CODE DAMMIT
20:46	GRAVGUN	TELL DAT TO POETETTETETTERETERING
20:46	PennartLoettring	POETETHERING LOLS
20:46	PennartLoettring	DAE USE GENTAH?
20:47	GRAVGUN	> NO RESPONSE
20:47	coagen	GENTOO IS FER DA BEARDS
20:47	GRAVGUN	ASSUME DEFAULT YES
20:47	coagen	rm -rf / --no-preseve-root; install gentoo
20:48	GRAVGUN	--no-preserve-root
20:48	GRAVGUN	YOU FUCKING GNU UTILS USER
20:48	GRAVGUN	NONSTANDARD ARG
20:48	GRAVGUN	I USE LEENUKS NOT GAHNOO/LEENUKS
20:48	PennartLoettring	GAHNOO LINIKS DA SHET
20:48	PennartLoettring	GAHNOO NOT MED THE SESTYM
20:48	PennartLoettring	LINIKS MED THE SESTYM
20:49	PennartLoettring	THEN WHO WAS LINIKS?
20:49	PennartLoettring	DAE SPY ON TORVALDS?
20:49	GRAVGUN	I DO
20:49	PennartLoettring	*TORVELDZ
20:49	GRAVGUN	I HAZ IDEA
20:49	GRAVGUN	TAKE STALLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLMANS KATANA
20:49	PennartLoettring	DAE WANT TO REMOVE DA DISTRO TORVELDZ USEZ AND INSTELL GENTAH?
20:49	GRAVGUN	YOU KNOW THE ONE UNDER HIS BED
20:50	GRAVGUN	CUT HIZ HEAD AND LENNARTS
20:50	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: I GED DA REFERENSE
20:50	GRAVGUN	THE GENTOO
20:50	GRAVGUN	IS DA GOD
20:50	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: BUT
20:50	GRAVGUN	NO ONE SHALL STOP IT
20:50	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: TORVELDS HAZ DA NUNCHACO
20:50	GRAVGUN	OH NUES
20:50	PennartLoettring	HE HAZ THE NOUN TACO
20:51	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: YOU NEED TO KNOW A SECRETZ
20:51	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: WHICH
20:51	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: DA POETTRIX BEST OS IN DA WURLD
20:51	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: WILL HAVE ANTIPLEB PREINSTOLLED
20:52	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: DL LINK OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN
20:52	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: IT WILL BLOCK PLEB SITES
20:52	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZFCbsLeM6bYt.jpg
20:52	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: LIEK MICROSOFT.COM
20:52	PennartLoettring	GRAVGUN: OR LINUXFOUNDATION.COM
20:52	GRAVGUN	Calinou: :3
20:52	coagen	Feb 14 18:21:51 <kerio> how expensive is a hitman?
20:52	coagen	Feb 14 18:22:03 <kerio> we can pool some bitcoins
20:52	coagen	Feb 14 18:26:42 <Pali> cut his hands, so he will not be able to write any new line of code
20:52	coagen	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8417176
20:53	PennartLoettring	Calinou: HEY DOOD
20:53	PennartLoettring	Calinou: YER MINETEST IZ DIRTY
20:53	coagen	STALLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLMANS KATANA CHOP HANS?
20:53	PennartLoettring	Calinou: MINETEST 0.4.10-165-G7FC6E9B-DIRTY
20:53	GRAVGUN	PennartLoettring: STOP USING TERVELDS GIT CODESHIT SYNC SYSTEM
20:54	PennartLoettring	YOU R DA REAL MVP
20:54	IQUALFRAGILE	WRITE SYSTEMD-CODESINKD
20:55	PennartLoettring	I can haz interject 4 1 moment. Wat u r reffering to az teh Liniks iz in fact teh gnew/liniks or az i'm taking to calling it recently, teh GNEH plus teh LINICS. Teh LINICS iz not an oprated system unto itself but rather a kurnel dat iz in ur ful GNEH system, makin it usefulll. It can haz GNAH corez, shellz and ALL teh POSIX definisions skillz an utilz! Ur compy users run teh modified GNAH system all dais but not realize becuz
20:55	PennartLoettring	reasons! Teh GNUH iz called teh LINECS becuz ur users iz dumb! Teh LINECS iz realz and teh users iz using it, but it iz lik teh LENEKS made u an GNEH operated system, but it eated it! Teh LUNIKS is teh kernal, teh program that allocted ur systems resource so ur programs can haz cheezburgarz n stallmans n lolcats. Teh operated system needz teh megic kernal, but teh kernal iz no us by itself. Teh LINECKS iz normally usless
20:55	PennartLoettring	except with teh GNEUH! All teh LINECKS DEESTROS is teh LINECKS wif teh GNUAH added or teh GNEH/LINECKS DEESTREBOTIUNS.
20:55	GRAVGUN	SO YOU ARE /R/LINUXCIRCLEJERK'S MALWARE
20:55	PennartLoettring	MELWERE?
20:55	PennartLoettring	FSCK OF WINDOZE PLEB
20:55	PennartLoettring	LINIKS KNOWZ NO MELWERE
20:56	GRAVGUN	I WROTE YOU
20:56	GRAVGUN	I AM THE MALWARE WRITA
20:56	GRAVGUN	YOU ARE THE MALWARE
20:56	GRAVGUN	YOU ACTUALLY RUN ON WINDOWS
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20:57	PennartLoettring	NAH, I RUN POETTRIX GNEME 3 SYSTEMD GTK 3 DESKTEP
20:57	GRAVGUN	INSIDE A SOMEHOW PORTED SYSTEMD-CHROOTNGD
20:57	GRAVGUN	SO YOU DONT KNOW
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20:58	sfan5	o.O
20:58	sfan5	!op
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20:58	sfan5	!deop
20:59	GRAVGUN	Okay :(
20:59	PennartLoettring	nO CAPSLOCK DAY?
20:59	PennartLoettring	:(
20:59	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=10404#p159486
20:59	Calinou	(-:
20:59	Calinou	step height stuff
20:59	Calinou	I might add this to source code tweaks topic
20:59	Yepoleb	is the linux circlejerk already over?
21:00	gravgun	Yepoleb: did you have fun?
21:00	Yepoleb	i joined too late :(
21:00	PennartLoettring	Calinou: Gr8 b8, m8. I rel8, str8 appreci8, and congratul8. I r8 this b8 an 8/8. Plz no h8, I'm str8 ir8. Cr8 more, can't w8. We should convers8, I won't ber8, my number is 8888888, ask for N8. No calls l8 or out of st8. If on a d8, ask K8 to loc8. Even with a full pl8, I always have time to communic8 so don't hesit8.
21:00	Yepoleb	why did nobody notify me?
21:00	sfan5	PennartLoettring: could you stop please?
21:01	Yepoleb	does systemd support push notifications?
21:01	PennartLoettring	No one tells Pennart Loettring he should stop!
21:01	PennartLoettring	Because he has the powers to stop your systemd!
21:01	sfan5	can you move the off-topic to #defocus?
21:01	gravgun	PennartLoettring: go to ##SYSTEMD-ARGUED
21:02	coagen	plz continue any Linucks/systemD discussion in #debianfork or #poetterix
21:03	PennartLoettring	*#poettrix
21:03	PennartLoettring	#poettrix
21:03	coagen	srry, thx
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21:05	coagen	sfan5: srry, I invited Pennart, and as you can see, we had our fun, plz return to meow
21:05	gravgun	I feel sorry for the log bot
21:07	sfan5	coagen: next time I won't just friendly remind you of <rule right above the last one>
21:07	coagen	sfan5: i never read rules. so whatever :P
21:08	gravgun	coagen: same
21:10	* coagen	pets sfan5
21:11	coagen	Soft Kitty, Warm Kitty, little ball of fur. Happy Kitty, Sleepy Kitty, purr, purr, purr
21:12	gravgun	coagen: Isn't sfan5 a squid girl?
21:13	coagen	gravgun: ask, I'm not responsible for sfan5's identity :P
21:14	coagen	gravgun: all I know is sfan5 is usually friendly to me, meows, and purrs, etc
21:14	gravgun	coagen: at least his (her?) avatar suggests so
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21:15	coagen	gravgun: however yesterday I invited folks to #debianfork and sfan5 confess their like of SystemD
21:15	coagen	i've felt neglected ever since
21:16	coagen	drama amirite?
21:16	gravgun	coagen: i do actually like systemd for its relative ease of use, but as a developer I think it is... extremely bothersome
21:16	gravgun	coagen: that's what I hate it
21:20	coagen	gravgun: I find it painful to interact with, and grow weary of its mission creep
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21:20	gravgun	coagen: talk about it in #poettrix plz, I don't wanna spam #minetest anymore
21:21	coagen	gravgun: replacing 30 years of tested code with new code over 25 times greater in an evergrowing codebase... seems illogical
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21:32	IQUALFRAGILE	GOOD NIGHT
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21:58	Argyle77	Does anyone have the forum link for the glow mod?
21:58	VanessaE	glow mod?
21:59	Argyle77	Its got glow shrooms and fireflies.
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21:59	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4939 this?
21:59	VanessaE	oh
21:59	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6300
21:59	VanessaE	this?
22:00	Argyle77	That's it. Thanks! I don't know why the search wouldn't give it to me.
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22:01	coagen	anyone made a flashlight, torch/lantern? that you can carry?
22:02	VanessaE	coagen: "walking light"
22:02	VanessaE	but such mods are glitchy
22:02	VanessaE	example: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=36928
22:03	coagen	VanessaE: glitchy as in: doesnt work or as in: craps on performance
22:03	coagen	or both?!
22:03	VanessaE	performance
22:03	VanessaE	because they have to add/remove a transparent light-emitting node every time you move
22:04	coagen	hrm
22:04	VanessaE	and every time a node is added/removed from the world, the mapblock it's in has to be updated. this causes a brief mesh regen event, which if your machine is slow will cause a tiny FPS drop
22:04	VanessaE	everyone around you that's within view will experience the same lag
22:04	VanessaE	and yes, they're laggy too
22:05	VanessaE	because it's all server-side
22:05	VanessaE	such a mod properly requires client-side code but such does not exist
22:06	coagen	hrm
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22:06	coagen	VanessaE: thx
22:09	VanessaE	one proposal that was made was client-side, and done entirely with shaders
22:09	VanessaE	it would be fast, lag-free, abd high-fps
22:09	VanessaE	and*
22:09	* coagen	is listening
22:09	VanessaE	but it would offer a gameplay advantage to those who have decent hardware
22:09	VanessaE	so anyone with crappy machines wouldn't be able to use it
22:10	coagen	yeah, i'm crying so many tears for them
22:10	coagen	:\|
22:10	VanessaE	heh
22:10	coagen	i know ur rocking good hardware amirite?
22:10	gravgun	A more or less possible solution would be to have a "dynamic light overlay" for each mapblock
22:10	coagen	r9 290x?
22:11	VanessaE	well I am, but MInetest's more CPU-bound than GPU-bound
22:11	VanessaE	yep
22:11	gravgun	i.e. mapblock mesh does not update, only lit vertices are updated in another vertex buffer and drawn (additive ?) after mapblock's draw call
22:11	VanessaE	gravgun: the problem really is in getting the client to do it at all. HOW it does it isn't too important then
22:12	coagen	VanessaE: thats right, I keepy trying to casually forget that. think there's any hope of it ever gravitating to take more adv of GPU?
22:12	VanessaE	gravgun: that's probably what RealBadAngel would do in fact.
22:13	VanessaE	coagen: things are already being moved in that direction.
22:14	coagen	VanessaE: waht? cool. can you describe in brief the proposed changes? and leaders of the changes?
22:14	VanessaE	coagen: most of it comes from RealBadAngel, but what precisely is being done, only he can tell you
22:14	coagen	very good
22:14	VanessaE	(I don't remember most of it, and what I do remember e.g. hardware lighting, I'm not sure I understand what's being done)
22:15	VanessaE	the one thing I DO remember and DO understand that needs fixed is how the client handles texture manipulation operations (e.g. [transform, [combine, and so forth).
22:15	coagen	VanessaE: fixed how?
22:15	VanessaE	those operations apparently are not being cached at all.
22:15	coagen	VanessaE: doesn't seem broke to me (avg joe user)
22:16	VanessaE	they appear to be iterated in realtimem causing huge FPS sags when lots of them are being used (e.g. signs_lib)(
22:16	Argyle77	Do you suppose client / shader lighting will enable colored light?
22:16	VanessaE	Argyle77: that's being worked on too
22:17	Argyle77	I saw images of a mod that did it and I thought they looked great.
22:17	coagen	VanessaE: aww poop :\|
22:18	VanessaE	gimme a few to find the image
22:21	VanessaE	http://i.imgur.com/wHjL1dJ.png
22:24	VanessaE	first linked back on Aug. 18
22:24	VanessaE	or at least that's what I have in my history
22:24	coagen	thats purrty
22:25	VanessaE	other mesh-related stuff has to be worked on first though
22:25	VanessaE	bugfixes, performance tuning, etc
22:26	VanessaE	so says RealBadAngel anyway :)
22:27	Argyle77	Yeah. I'd love to see it work through stained glass too. I read some of the discussion on it a while ago. Looked divisive.
22:28	VanessaE	I'm sure when it finally goes in, it'll work well :)
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23:17	kaeza	greetings
23:22	VanessaE	hi
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