| Time |
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| 00:02 |
realtinymonster |
HI |
| 00:03 |
realtinymonster |
I am attempting to install Linux on my machine using only floppies |
| 00:03 |
realtinymonster |
but I can't find any images |
| 00:03 |
tanath |
why floppies? |
| 00:04 |
realtinymonster |
because I have no CDs and idk where my USB went |
| 00:04 |
tanath |
try isohybrid to convert iso? |
| 00:05 |
tanath |
what os is there now? |
| 00:05 |
realtinymonster |
Windows Vista |
| 00:05 |
parabyte |
floppys |
| 00:05 |
parabyte |
are you being serious? |
| 00:05 |
realtinymonster |
yeah |
| 00:05 |
parabyte |
no one used floppies in like 20 years :O |
| 00:05 |
realtinymonster |
dead serius |
| 00:05 |
realtinymonster |
lol, Ikc |
| 00:05 |
realtinymonster |
*idc |
| 00:05 |
parabyte |
well typically ubuntu installation image is approx 1 gig |
| 00:05 |
parabyte |
so just do the maths |
| 00:06 |
parabyte |
it will make you very unhappy |
| 00:06 |
parabyte |
do a chroot install onto the drive out the machine |
| 00:06 |
tanath |
have a spare hdd? |
| 00:06 |
realtinymonster |
i'm not gonna install fucking ubuntu... |
| 00:06 |
parabyte |
please do not swear |
| 00:06 |
blaise |
lol |
| 00:06 |
tanath |
and/or another machine? |
| 00:06 |
realtinymonster |
nope |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
realtinymonster: maybe LOAF is still maintained? |
| 00:06 |
tanath |
no other comp? not even laptop? |
| 00:06 |
realtinymonster |
I have the hdds but not the machine |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
or Debian root/boot floppies? |
| 00:07 |
parabyte |
crazy monkey |
| 00:07 |
blaise |
if you don't have a usb flash drive or usb drive, and no cd's... then you're pretty much sol |
| 00:07 |
realtinymonster |
yeah, I guess |
| 00:07 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, maybe you can put linux iso on hdd, and refind on floppy, boot refind, and use that to boot iso |
| 00:07 |
parabyte |
rude little troll :| |
| 00:08 |
blaise |
if you really have to, you can use floppy images.. just make sure they include your net drivers |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
realtinymonster: http://loaf.acesoft.org/ |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe this still works :) |
| 00:08 |
blaise |
or you'll have to sneakernet the files over via floppy |
| 00:09 |
tanath |
or just install refind to the hdd |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
from there you MIGHT be able to repartition your HD and install a real linux distro |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
but probably not |
| 00:09 |
tanath |
create a partition to put iso on, put iso there. install refind to hdd, boot refind, boot to iso |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
my G*d that IS OLD |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
CURRENT VERSION (LOAF) Version [1.2] - Released (12/14/98) |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
wow |
| 00:10 |
tanath |
then you can wipe other partition to install the linux to |
| 00:10 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 00:10 |
realtinymonster |
well |
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| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
yeah... realtinymonster I'm afraid you're pretty much fucked if you need a modern distro and you're fresh out of USB drives and CDs |
| 00:12 |
tanath |
am i invisible? |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
tanath: we see you :) |
| 00:12 |
tanath |
refind should work |
| 00:12 |
realtinymonster |
I don't need a modern distro |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
but floppy-based is insanity :P |
| 00:12 |
tanath |
no need for floppies, necessarily |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
refind is just a boot manager though |
| 00:13 |
tanath |
except perhaps if you need gparted |
| 00:13 |
tanath |
VanessaE, a very good one |
| 00:13 |
tanath |
it automatically scans for bootable things |
| 00:13 |
tanath |
and i think you can point it at things in menu, iirc |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
what, loopback-mount a CD image and boot that? |
| 00:13 |
tanath |
yeah |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
huh |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
I didn't think about THAT |
| 00:14 |
realtinymonster |
how do I go about doing that? |
| 00:14 |
tanath |
might need to put gparted on floppy to edit partitions though |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ |
| 00:15 |
tanath |
actually, rufus might work with floppies if you want to get a bootable image on floppy |
| 00:16 |
tanath |
throw refind or gparted iso on there, or some other tiny distro |
| 00:18 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, do what you got to do to get your linux iso on the drive in such a form that rufus can boot it. might take some finagling |
| 00:18 |
tanath |
boot from refind to iso and install from there |
| 00:19 |
tanath |
VanessaE, refind handles mounting & booting iso images btw. |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
impressive |
| 00:19 |
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| 00:19 |
tanath |
it also handles/fixes a lot of uefi boot issues |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
now he just has to figure out how to boot refind ;) |
| 00:20 |
realtinymonster |
exactly |
| 00:20 |
tanath |
meh. can probably just use rufus to put refind on floppy or just dd it |
| 00:20 |
SaltyDog001 |
evenin' all. Anyone have issues with their server not showing up (that did show up before)? |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
dd it... in windows. |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 00:20 |
tanath |
VanessaE, cygwin |
| 00:20 |
tanath |
and there's a win version too actually |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
does win still come with that old rawrite.exe util? |
| 00:21 |
realtinymonster |
I don't think refind will work on my computer... |
| 00:21 |
tanath |
maybe. vista still had progman laying around i think :P |
| 00:21 |
tanath |
is it a computer? |
| 00:21 |
realtinymonster |
yeah |
| 00:21 |
realtinymonster |
not EFI |
| 00:21 |
tanath |
:P |
| 00:22 |
realtinymonster |
afaik |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
meh |
| 00:22 |
tanath |
refind is great for uefi. doesn't mean it's only for uefi |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
you can still change shell= in win.ini |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
maybe even set it to minetest.exe |
| 00:22 |
realtinymonster |
"You will not find rEFInd useful on older BIOS-based computers." |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
have a minetest console |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
XD |
| 00:22 |
tanath |
erm |
| 00:23 |
realtinymonster |
blaise: lol |
| 00:23 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, it boots bios just fine.. |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:23 |
realtinymonster |
mkay... |
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| 00:23 |
realtinymonster |
what do I do? |
| 00:24 |
* VanessaE |
looks at the box of 5.25" disks on her desk... |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
I wonder how many of those still work after all these years. |
| 00:24 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 00:24 |
tanath |
this might be better in ##linux or something |
| 00:24 |
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| 00:24 |
blaise |
what's the problem again? |
| 00:24 |
blaise |
I'm confused |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
blaise: he wants to install linux but he has no boot media or any way to create any, except via a floppy disk |
| 00:25 |
realtinymonster |
tanath: I think you are right... |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
tanath's idea is best for this I think |
| 00:25 |
blaise |
oh yeah |
| 00:25 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, er, there's a similar tool that refind replaces. you might need the old one possible |
| 00:25 |
tanath |
lemme see if i can find it |
| 00:25 |
blaise |
is this machine too old to boot via usb? |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
he has no thumbdrives. |
| 00:26 |
blaise |
yeah, but they're cheap.. |
| 00:26 |
realtinymonster |
that I can find, that is |
| 00:26 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, well that would be the easiest solution, most likely. find a usb stick :P |
| 00:26 |
realtinymonster |
blaise: can't be bothered to walk to the nearest tech store |
| 00:27 |
blaise |
I got my wife one to put stuff for school on that's shaped like an owl.. 16GB $4.99 |
| 00:27 |
realtinymonster |
:O |
| 00:27 |
blaise |
it's not great, but it gets the job done.. |
| 00:27 |
blaise |
found it at walmart |
| 00:28 |
realtinymonster |
ah, screw walmart |
| 00:28 |
blaise |
I feel the same way.. |
| 00:28 |
realtinymonster |
I guess with vista I stick |
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| 00:28 |
blaise |
but some of their clearance sales are hard to ignore |
| 00:28 |
realtinymonster |
true |
| 00:29 |
tanath |
you're gonna stick with vista 'cause you haven't learned how to work with bootloaders yet? |
| 00:29 |
tanath |
and can't find/buy/borrow a usb? |
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| 00:30 |
realtinymonster |
maybe I should stick to trying to find my Windows 7 OEM disk |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
jeez |
| 00:31 |
blaise |
lol |
| 00:31 |
realtinymonster |
what? |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
can you even find your MOUSE at this point? ;) |
| 00:31 |
blaise |
my windows 7 and vista, and 8 media are all on usb flash drives |
| 00:31 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 00:32 |
blaise |
I have an old Windows NT 4.0 install that's on cd |
| 00:32 |
realtinymonster |
my mother has one of those too |
| 00:32 |
tanath |
who needs a mouse? :P |
| 00:33 |
tanath |
my keyboards have scroll wheels, i'm good |
| 00:33 |
blaise |
modern computers don't even have optical media anymore |
| 00:33 |
tanath |
modern computers are retarded |
| 00:33 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 00:33 |
realtinymonster |
+1 |
| 00:34 |
blaise |
I installed slackware via floppy in 1992 |
| 00:34 |
tanath |
when usb security is as bad as it is there's no excuse to not have optical media |
| 00:34 |
blaise |
it took the better part of 16 hours |
| 00:34 |
tanath |
especially which how much data some can store |
| 00:34 |
tanath |
*with |
| 00:34 |
tanath |
there's 1tb discs |
| 00:34 |
blaise |
pfft |
| 00:34 |
realtinymonster |
wut |
| 00:35 |
tanath |
heard about 'em years ago. should be available by now |
| 00:35 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 00:35 |
tanath |
point is it can be done |
| 00:35 |
blaise |
tanath: if you have a blueray or dvd device that supports 16x layers, sure.. |
| 00:35 |
realtinymonster |
hmm |
| 00:35 |
tanath |
:P |
| 00:35 |
blaise |
most only support dual layer media though |
| 00:35 |
tanath |
was not bluray |
| 00:36 |
tanath |
thing is, you plug a usb stick into the wrong computer and it can write malicious firmware to it |
| 00:36 |
realtinymonster |
I found this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 00:36 |
blaise |
tanath: in windows maybe |
| 00:36 |
tanath |
you use an optical disc that's not rw and you know it's safe |
| 00:36 |
tanath |
blaise, that's the kind of thing that bypasses OS |
| 00:37 |
blaise |
if your bios gets modified and still manages to mantain the same checksum then wow. |
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| 00:37 |
tanath |
pc firmware can be made malitious too (bios/uefi) |
| 00:38 |
blaise |
most machines never boot again after stuff like that |
| 00:38 |
tanath |
first, why would it need to? |
| 00:38 |
tanath |
just needs a valid one, not same one |
| 00:38 |
tanath |
else you'd never be able to update |
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| 00:38 |
blaise |
then switch from md5sum to sha1 |
| 00:39 |
tanath |
second, most common hashes are weak or very weak. crc is pathetic. md5 is pathetic. sha1 & 2 are weak.. |
| 00:39 |
blaise |
oh, okay.. lol |
| 00:39 |
blaise |
my bad |
| 00:39 |
blaise |
sha256 is no good neither then? |
| 00:39 |
tanath |
sha1 and previous are useless for security |
| 00:40 |
blaise |
tanath: do you use credit cards or atm cards? |
| 00:40 |
tanath |
it's better than sha1, but not especially secure |
| 00:40 |
tanath |
no |
| 00:40 |
blaise |
then you have no life and have nothing.. |
| 00:40 |
tanath |
i have my bank card, and i hate how insecure it is, but i do what i can |
| 00:40 |
blaise |
good day |
| 00:41 |
tanath |
don't use it at ATMs though |
| 00:41 |
blaise |
you use your bank card (at your bank), poof.. you're broadcasting EVERYTHING about your banking over a highly insecure ATM network |
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| 00:41 |
tanath |
ABM != ATM |
| 00:41 |
blaise |
even if you go in to the bank and speak to a teller and the magnetic media never gets swiped.. |
| 00:42 |
blaise |
what network do you think the teller is using? |
| 00:42 |
tanath |
and it's more secure than most things crc/md5/sha1 are used for |
| 00:42 |
blaise |
it's a global network.. it's not specific to any single banking entity |
| 00:42 |
tanath |
ah, PoS devices? yeah i use those. i do have chip at least which helps a bit |
| 00:43 |
blaise |
pfft, a sim card |
| 00:43 |
blaise |
it doesn't help anything |
| 00:43 |
blaise |
it's still interfacing with the same network that's been around since biblical times electronicly speaking. |
| 00:44 |
tanath |
anyway, the point was usb is crap for security, so optical discs still have an important role, and common hashes are broken/weak |
| 00:44 |
blaise |
if you don't have security on your cpu then you're fscked no matter what |
| 00:44 |
blaise |
doesn't matter how you put data on the machine |
| 00:44 |
tanath |
so the fact that they're prematurely getting rid of then is dumb |
| 00:45 |
tanath |
pc you mean? |
| 00:45 |
tanath |
and yeah, i run linux which helps a lot :P |
| 00:45 |
tanath |
i do pretty well. i'm more security-conscious than most |
| 00:46 |
blaise |
linux won't help anything if your cpu doesn't have the capability of preventing scaled execution and escalation |
| 00:46 |
tanath |
you talking about DEP and such? i think that's pretty much standard for a while now |
| 00:47 |
blaise |
tanath: that's not helping anyone using old hardware, eh? |
| 00:47 |
blaise |
the best security is an AIR wall |
| 00:47 |
tanath |
even my old pentium 4 had it |
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| 00:47 |
tanath |
blaise, usb defeats that actually |
| 00:47 |
blaise |
don't put sensitive data on machines that can be potentially compromised. |
| 00:48 |
realtinymonster |
yo guys |
| 00:48 |
blaise |
an air wall is to prevent any data on any media from ever going in or out of a machine. |
| 00:48 |
tanath |
that's silly advise. we're not military. generally security is a matter of tradeoffs. vast majority of devices can be compromised |
| 00:48 |
realtinymonster |
should I try this? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 00:48 |
tanath |
floppy installer? sounds good, but do you have to put all of it on floppies? |
| 00:48 |
blaise |
realtinymonster: sure, why not |
| 00:48 |
tanath |
or can it chainload to iso like i was suggesting? |
| 00:49 |
blaise |
most floppy installers have net drivers to just get started |
| 00:49 |
realtinymonster |
well |
| 00:49 |
realtinymonster |
I have no clue what to do then |
| 00:49 |
tanath |
problem is floppy only holds small amount of data |
| 00:50 |
realtinymonster |
yeah |
| 00:50 |
realtinymonster |
i've got about 20 empty ones, for all thats worth |
| 00:50 |
tanath |
so it's only good for tiny distro or chain-loading unless you're willing to spend a lot of time & floppies installing os |
| 00:50 |
tanath |
better to spend that time learning how to not need to |
| 00:50 |
realtinymonster |
well |
| 00:50 |
tanath |
so under 40mb then? :P |
| 00:51 |
realtinymonster |
ugh, why so small |
| 00:52 |
tanath |
honestly, just go to a friend/neighbour or something and borrow one |
| 00:52 |
tanath |
usb |
| 00:55 |
realtinymonster |
whelll |
| 00:55 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive#Using_GRUB_and_loopback_devices |
| 00:55 |
tanath |
you can add iso to grub, boot that |
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realtinymonster |
trust me, I would |
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| 00:56 |
tanath |
maybe, put floppy in, partition it, put grub on it, and iso on hdd |
| 00:56 |
realtinymonster |
hmm |
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| 00:57 |
realtinymonster |
where on the hdd? |
| 00:57 |
tanath |
root of new partition? go to disk management, convert to dynamic, shrink existing partition, add new one, put iso there |
| 00:58 |
tanath |
point grub at it, even if you have to put it on floppy |
| 00:58 |
tanath |
once booted to iso you can use it to install linux to windows partition |
| 01:00 |
tanath |
grub boot floppy image http://cstein.kings.cam.ac.uk/~chris/bootgrub.gz |
| 01:01 |
realtinymonster |
http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 01:02 |
tanath |
oh, here's your rawwrite for writing floppy images http://wiki.osdev.org/Rawwrite |
| 01:04 |
tanath |
realtinymonster, there's an idea. could use that to install grub to hdd, then point that grub at iso |
| 01:04 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 01:04 |
realtinymonster |
thats fine and dandy |
| 01:04 |
realtinymonster |
but I have no iso |
| 01:04 |
tanath |
why haven't you downloaded it yet? |
| 01:05 |
realtinymonster |
its currently downloading, 10 hours remaining |
| 01:05 |
tanath |
maxing connection? try torrent? |
| 01:05 |
realtinymonster |
hmm |
| 01:05 |
tanath |
what os? |
| 01:05 |
realtinymonster |
Windows Vista, as I said before |
| 01:05 |
tanath |
no, downloading |
| 01:05 |
realtinymonster |
oh |
| 01:06 |
realtinymonster |
Peppermint OS, per friends recommendation |
| 01:06 |
realtinymonster |
its got a torrent, but I didn't think of using it' |
| 01:06 |
tanath |
ubuntu-based? :-/ |
| 01:07 |
realtinymonster |
whats wrong with ubuntu? |
| 01:07 |
tanath |
many poor design decisions |
| 01:07 |
realtinymonster |
at least its not Arch... |
| 01:07 |
tanath |
and asshole operators in irc |
| 01:07 |
realtinymonster |
yeah, true |
| 01:07 |
tanath |
arch is excellent. i'd recommend manjaro which is arch-based |
| 01:08 |
realtinymonster |
is it slim and fast? |
| 01:08 |
tanath |
arch is not for most people though. not even most linux users |
| 01:08 |
tanath |
yeah. certainly less bloated than ubuntu |
| 01:08 |
tanath |
peppermint is a bit lighter though being based on lubuntu |
| 01:09 |
realtinymonster |
yeah |
| 01:09 |
tanath |
arch and arch-based oses are much better about dependencies, so easier to slim down |
| 01:09 |
realtinymonster |
hmm |
| 01:09 |
tanath |
arch by default comes with very little and you install what you want |
| 01:09 |
tanath |
not even X |
| 01:09 |
tanath |
but manjaro by default is pretty close to how i had my arch install anyway |
| 01:10 |
realtinymonster |
ah, yeah, I heard about that |
| 01:10 |
tanath |
xfce & such |
| 01:10 |
realtinymonster |
ooo |
| 01:10 |
realtinymonster |
yay for xfce |
| 01:10 |
tanath |
there's openbox & other versions though |
| 01:10 |
tanath |
yeah, i like xfce but it's dying. development is insanely slow and i'm not sure it'll make the transition to wayland, so i'm keeping an eye out for a replacement |
| 01:11 |
tanath |
i think i have a few years to find one though |
| 01:11 |
realtinymonster |
I'll get the openbox, I like that quite a bit from experience via madbox |
| 01:12 |
tanath |
you should ask for help if needed in ##linux btw until you get your os installed |
| 01:12 |
tanath |
if manjaro, then further help in #manjaro |
| 01:14 |
realtinymonster |
well crap |
| 01:15 |
realtinymonster |
the net died on that machine cause its too far away from the router |
| 01:15 |
tanath |
i thought you only had one? |
| 01:15 |
realtinymonster |
kindle? |
| 01:15 |
tanath |
using wifi? |
| 01:15 |
realtinymonster |
yeha |
| 01:15 |
tanath |
can't get them closer or attach cable? |
| 01:15 |
realtinymonster |
nope and nope |
| 01:16 |
tanath |
benefit of torrent though is can resume |
| 01:16 |
realtinymonster |
yeah, but I haven't even started it yet :P |
| 01:16 |
tanath |
have another wifi router you can use as repeater? |
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tanath |
turn off dhcp, and configure with identical wifi settings |
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realtinymonster |
mkay its back on now |
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realtinymonster |
getting utorrent |
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tanath |
ew |
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tanath |
use qbittorrent |
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tanath |
utorrent keeps pushing ads & crap |
| 01:18 |
realtinymonster |
yeah, but i'm only gonna use it once :P |
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realtinymonster |
lol, down speed: 48 kb/s |
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MinetestBot |
[Git] TriBlade9 -> minetest/minetest: Added configurable selectionbox width. Min width = 1, Max = 5 18bfa1c http://git.io/jQNyUQ (2014-09-19T03:28:46+02:00) |
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OldCoder |
Taoki, hello |
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Taoki |
hi |
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TriBlade9 |
Heya Taoki |
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Taoki |
Although I need to go to bed now |
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TriBlade9 |
G'night :) |
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OldCoder |
o/ |
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blaise |
jordan4ibanez: wb |
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jordan4ibanez |
Thank you |
| 02:25 |
blaise |
would anyone happen to know if anybody set up an alternate url till the primary gets fixed for servers.minetest.net/announce |
| 02:27 |
blaise |
I can establish a connection but then it get's terminated on the host side |
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VanessaE |
blaise: it's some kind of busted DDoS protection that's the problem |
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VanessaE |
it's gonna be fixed soon |
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VanessaE |
it's not actually a problem with the master list but some DDoS guard appliance between its server and the net. |
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VanessaE |
(or so I understand it) |
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tanath |
reboot it? |
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VanessaE |
I don't know the exact plan to deal with it |
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tanath |
well realtinymonster is gone now, but you might be interested in this http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/70559-boot-iso-without-burning-disk.html |
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tanath |
was waiting for him to come back but he didn't |
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VanessaE |
tanath: huh. I'll be damned. |
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tanath |
didn't see the free download link on official site, but softpedia has it |
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blaise |
so, doors is in default? |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
blaise: in minetest_game |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
the "usual" game yeah |
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H-H-H |
hey how can i send a message between 2 nodes:| ? |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
H-H-H: a message between two nodes? explain please |
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blaise |
VanessaE: can we operate doors with switches? |
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VanessaE |
blaise: yes. mesecons can open doors. |
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H-H-H |
so one node could ask anothers state for example |
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blaise |
where does the mesecon need to connect to the door? 1 below? any connecting block? |
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VanessaE |
H-H-H: sure, you can query the state of any other node in the map, easily. |
| 03:58 |
H-H-H |
and can those states be user defined? |
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VanessaE |
H-H-H: minetest.get_node(pos) will tell you about a given node in the map, and then use the minetest.registered_nodes table to get that node's complete definition, if you need it. |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
H-H-H: you can put "metadata" into a node, yes |
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VanessaE |
which is fairly free-form, user-defined. |
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H-H-H |
ok that sounds like what i need :) thanks time to hit google :) |
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VanessaE |
blaise: I think it just needs to end next to the door. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
H-H-H: wait. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
H-H-H: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
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VanessaE |
see line 912 |
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blaise |
hrmm |
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H-H-H |
thanks :) |
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blaise |
I can't get it to work |
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blaise |
lol |
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VanessaE |
keep trying :) |
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VanessaE |
a simple pressure plate next to a door, for example |
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blaise |
I can run mesecon directly to the door |
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VanessaE |
step on that and the door opens |
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blaise |
but if I put a switch right next to the door it doesn't signal the door |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
you can use mese blocks as conductors also |
| 04:17 |
blaise |
ah |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
you can put the mese block as a pad under the door I think |
| 04:17 |
blaise |
can mobs not activate pressure plates? |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
or certainly, next to the door |
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VanessaE |
I don't know |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: for your HDX texture what are the normalmaps? |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
bjrohan: they're used to add "depth" to the surfaces |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
you don't need them if you don't have a good gpU |
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VanessaE |
GPU* |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: I have a decent system, but the gpu is an Intel |
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VanessaE |
not good enough probably :) |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: Okay. The 512 and 256 packs, when I move, has a lot of black "sparkles", what should I change on the settings to remedy this? |
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VanessaE |
screenshot please? |
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bjrohan |
in a second |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: do you have a screenshot site you receommend to upload it to? |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
tinypic maybe |
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kaeza |
mediacru.sh or imgur.com |
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kaeza |
srsly, tinypick sucks |
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kaeza |
-k |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: http://tinypic.com/r/2myrj43/8 |
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kaeza |
also, hi |
| 04:47 |
VanessaE |
greets, kaeza |
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VanessaE |
bjrohan: turn on texture filtering |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
Aniso + mipmap, maybe also bi- or tri-linear |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
in your Settings menu |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
see if your GPU can handle those |
| 04:48 |
VanessaE |
get rid of the normalmaps if you need to |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: that image is using tri-linear from that column on the latest dev build. I am not seeing where texture filtering is located |
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VanessaE |
bjrohan: turn on Anisotropic filtering and Mip Map also |
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VanessaE |
it's in the same tab, right above trilinear |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: Turning on Aniso and mip map with turning off normal map helped a lot |
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VanessaE |
ok good |
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VanessaE |
turn the normals back on also |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
see if your GPU can handle all of it together |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: is the texture filtering one item that has a checkbox? If so that is what I am not seeing. In the middle column I see the anistropic, MipMap, bi and tri, that is all |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
also, |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
nonono |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
turn on all three of those |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
they work together :) |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
Aniso + mipmap + (either bi or tri)linear |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: They are all on in that column and I turned normal maps as well, it looks good :-) |
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bjrohan |
I turned off bi, left try on, I don't see a diff |
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VanessaE |
also, where it says "generate normalmaps" on the right, ignore that. don't turn it on. that's a different kind of normalmaps than the ones supplied from my repo. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
the difference is subtle |
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VanessaE |
so ok, you're all good now :) |
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bjrohan |
Ah ok |
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bjrohan |
I am, thank you. |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: One last ? for tonight, what do you recommend for flooring, to use for a carpet, etc? |
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VanessaE |
it depends on what you're building |
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bjrohan |
Not sure yet :-/ |
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bjrohan |
Starting with a typical house |
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VanessaE |
in my house in my creative serrver, for example, I have wood for the lower level floor, but the upper level has white wool |
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VanessaE |
(for my real house model that is. my brick house near the spawn is all wood, bricks, and ceiling paint where needed) |
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bjrohan |
Okay, you use "regular" items |
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bjrohan |
not a modpack of flooring |
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VanessaE |
well |
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VanessaE |
oh well yeah |
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bjrohan |
That's what I had done in Minecraft$ wandering if there was another awesome mod for minetest, there are so many cool ones |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
nothing special as far as a flooring-specific mod |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
Homedecor has a few items that are meant specifically for the floor, like welcome mats and rugs, but naw |
| 04:59 |
VanessaE |
there are many good mods though, and I know there's at least one that adds some decent carpets |
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VanessaE |
bbl, bedtime. |
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blaise |
whelp, I managed to ride the carts |
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blaise |
it's working |
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blaise |
I had to set up a bunch of anchors to keep it stable |
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TriBlade9 |
Drawtype "firelike" is almost ready |
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TriBlade9 |
Just testing and cleaning up |
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VanessaE |
TriBlade9: how about a "rooflike" drawtype also ;) |
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TriBlade9 |
What's a rooflike drawtype? |
| 07:14 |
TriBlade9 |
VanessaE |
| 07:14 |
TriBlade9 |
Only draws on ceilings? I can do that. |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
always draws at a 45 degree angle, like rails do when going down a slope, can fill "inside" and "outside" corners |
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TriBlade9 |
IDK how to do the filling part :/ |
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TriBlade9 |
Though it would probably be quite possible |
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VanessaE |
eh, don't worry about it then |
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TriBlade9 |
Truly, firetype was 99% messing with stuff until I figured out what each number that I needed did x] |
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TriBlade9 |
Now I'm just trying to disable the selectionbox for it >_> |
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TriBlade9 |
They should've made it easier to do so |
| 07:16 |
TriBlade9 |
Ooooh, a bug :D |
| 07:16 |
TriBlade9 |
A fire with no nodes surrounding it will not display, except for the selection box |
| 07:19 |
TriBlade9 |
... |
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TriBlade9 |
Orite, just set 'pointable = false' in the lua file x] |
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TriBlade9 |
And VanessaE, have you even gone to bed yet? O-o |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
I tried. and failed. |
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TriBlade9 |
Good lord |
| 07:31 |
TriBlade9 |
I managed to take a three hour nap at 11:00 AM O-o |
| 07:31 |
TriBlade9 |
Insomniac? |
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VanessaE |
yeah, happens sometimes |
| 07:32 |
TriBlade9 |
Sorry to hear that. :C |
| 07:32 |
TriBlade9 |
I have the opposite problem, I can fall asleep anywhere, (except in a van on a bumpy road when I know we're lost) |
| 07:36 |
VanessaE |
I look at my husband and think, "DOESN'T HE HAVE THOUGHTS?!" |
| 07:37 |
VanessaE |
he falls asleep so easily. |
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TriBlade9 |
Heh, sometimes thinking can be tiring :P |
| 07:37 |
TriBlade9 |
But women can think and talk forever |
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TriBlade9 |
(Generalization, not always 100% true) |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi asie |
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asie |
hi TriBlade9 |
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TriBlade9 |
What're you up to today? |
| 07:47 |
TriBlade9 |
Alright, commiting and PRing firelike drawtype :D |
| 07:47 |
TriBlade9 |
Wait |
| 07:47 |
TriBlade9 |
VanessaE, asie, should the flame that displays on the bottom of nodes be facing in a random direction or just in one direction? |
| 07:48 |
VanessaE |
good question. it should probably respect facedir actually |
| 07:48 |
VanessaE |
if not that, then always face the same direction |
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TriBlade9 |
How on earth would one do that? |
| 07:48 |
TriBlade9 |
Also, facedir is pointless when generated automatically |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
some mods produce fire manually too |
| 07:49 |
TriBlade9 |
Though it would make sense when placing fire (adds a ton of complexity though) |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
e.g. fake fire mod |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
and remember, modders will abuse what they're given |
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TriBlade9 |
Lemme check for facedir code |
| 07:49 |
TriBlade9 |
IK |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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asie |
alwyas |
| 07:49 |
asie |
IK+ |
| 07:49 |
TriBlade9 |
I already have some strange ideas for this x] |
| 07:49 |
VanessaE |
so you may as well try to direct that abuse in a constructive manner ;) |
| 07:50 |
TriBlade9 |
Meh, I'm not gonna bother with facedir, I don't see any other drawtype using it in a way I understand :P |
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TriBlade9 |
So all face the same direction then? |
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VanessaE |
asie: Chop 'n Drop. IK+ indeed :P |
| 07:50 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
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TriBlade9 |
Alright |
| 07:51 |
TriBlade9 |
We are go for commit then |
| 07:51 |
VanessaE |
T-minus 10.. |
| 07:51 |
VanessaE |
9... |
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VanessaE |
:) |
| 07:52 |
TriBlade9 |
Timeout to github as usual |
| 07:52 |
TriBlade9 |
It usually takes like 4 tries to get it to push |
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VanessaE |
ok, I'm gonna head off to bed, second try. |
| 07:52 |
VanessaE |
night :) |
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jp |
good night ;) |
| 07:53 |
jp |
good luck |
| 07:54 |
TriBlade9 |
g'night VanessaE |
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TriBlade9 |
Hope it works this time |
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TriBlade9 |
Yay :D https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1658 |
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TBC_x |
TriBlade9: I think the fire should be drawn even in mid-air |
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sol_invictus |
where is inventory formspec defined? |
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TBC_x |
it is better than randomly catching fire |
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whmark |
how can I compile _only_ the server? that way I won't need to install X, irrlicht, etc. |
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TriBlade9 |
TBC_x Alright, post it on the issue |
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TriBlade9 |
whmark, add -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 to your cmake options when you type cmake |
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whmark |
TriBlade9: thank you, I missed that in the readme |
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TBC_x |
posted, I hope i'm not completely wrong about it |
| 08:21 |
TriBlade9 |
TBC_x, You're not totally wrong, I just can't think of an easy or fast way for a modder to make sure his fire isn't in the air |
| 08:21 |
TriBlade9 |
(Because more than one fire can act on the same node, even if it is the only node it touches) |
| 08:22 |
TriBlade9 |
But you're probably right. I'll wait for one or two more people to say so before I change it. (Not hard, just uncomment a couple lines) |
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TriBlade9 |
I love this branch, I'm just running around burning things like a pyromaniac for "testing" x] |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi iqual |
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friti |
Wowsers, that fire spreads FAST |
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friti |
I think it would be cool if it were to leave scorched earth behind, which would gradually disappear after a certain amount of time |
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TriBlade9 |
friti, That can be handles by a mod |
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TriBlade9 |
But yeah, fire node + forest == no forest :D |
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* friti |
is going to play in the village. <insert insane giggles> |
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TriBlade9 |
>:D |
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friti |
Yup, fire spead + ttl should be tweaked a bit further, i guess |
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iqualfragile |
hello TriBlade9 |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi again iqual ;) |
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iqualfragile |
with a bit of luck the mmdb will be usable with the new forum accounts in a few secs |
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TriBlade9 |
Yay iqual :D |
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#secs depends on xyz's free time mainly |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
| 09:07 |
JamesTait |
Yo ho ho, 'n' shiver me timbers! 'appy Friday 'n' 'appy Talk Like a Pirate Day! Yaaarrr! :-D |
| 09:17 |
Megaf |
Morning |
| 09:17 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 970ms |
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Megaf |
heh, it was just a bug in minetestserver |
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Megaf |
fixed https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1471 |
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Megaf |
Hi Transfusion |
| 09:18 |
Megaf |
ops |
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Megaf |
Hi TriBlade9 |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi Megaf |
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TriBlade9 |
What's up? |
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rubenwardy |
hello TriBlade9 :P |
| 09:35 |
TriBlade9 |
Hello rubenwardy |
| 09:35 |
TriBlade9 |
Your git skills amaze me x] |
| 09:36 |
rubenwardy |
Did it work? |
| 09:37 |
TriBlade9 |
Haven't tried yet |
| 09:37 |
TriBlade9 |
Still working on adding two crossing center flames |
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rubenwardy |
Ah, ok. I am not actually sure if it works with merges. |
| 09:38 |
TriBlade9 |
Well, it's quite similar to what RBA was telling me to do on another commit |
| 09:38 |
TriBlade9 |
So hopefully it will work |
| 09:38 |
TriBlade9 |
Do you like the fire? |
| 09:39 |
Megaf |
git is a powerful open source software, one just have to know how to use it |
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TriBlade9 |
^ |
| 09:40 |
Megaf |
TriBlade9: I havent tested the fire here, but from your screenshots I can say that they look really nice |
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TriBlade9 |
Megaf, Yay :) |
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Megaf |
TriBlade9: you could use the texture from fire from homedecor |
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TriBlade9 |
I'm not working with textures |
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rubenwardy |
When I started out, I got really annoyed with Git for '~' files. I then realised it was GEdit's fault. |
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TriBlade9 |
Just with the code |
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TriBlade9 |
.gitignore makes ignoring those easy tho |
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rubenwardy |
Yeah. I didn't know about that then, though :( |
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Megaf |
I wish I could use gedit here, but it crashes on start |
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TriBlade9 |
Btw, if you want a good, fast, but not bloated IDE, try Geany |
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TriBlade9 |
Whee, I changed the way horizontal offset works and now I have to re-do all the positioning variables x[ |
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* friti |
guesses that a global search/replace will not do |
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TriBlade9 |
Actually friti, I already used a variable for all of them |
| 09:45 |
TriBlade9 |
Now I just have to figure out exactly what numbers seem right, like I did with the player_movement pull |
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* friti |
can only program useful stuff in LSL and a little bit of Bash |
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TriBlade9 |
LSL? What's that? |
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friti |
Linden Scripting Language, a scripting language specifically develoiped for Second Life, though it also works in OpenSim |
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TriBlade9 |
Oh, for a game? |
| 09:46 |
TriBlade9 |
Woo, I'm faster at looking things up than you xD |
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friti |
Hehehe |
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friti |
Anyway, i am not the best LSL scripter, but i am definitely not bad either ;-) |
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TriBlade9 |
Glad to hear it |
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TriBlade9 |
Almost got another commit ready for Fire |
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TriBlade9 |
Adds the missing faces in the middle |
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Megaf |
TriBlade9: are you coming from Minecraft? |
| 09:49 |
TriBlade9 |
What on earth makes you think that? (http://leadcraft.us) |
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TriBlade9 |
Yeah x] |
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TriBlade9 |
Though I used to be a big MT player back a couple years ago |
| 09:50 |
TriBlade9 |
I know the fire looks a bit too MC ish perhaps |
| 09:50 |
TriBlade9 |
But then do some other drawtypes, so I consider myself justified :P |
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TBC_x |
I think that texturepacks could take over drawing stuff |
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friti |
Here's an idea for MUUUUUCH later in the development stage: a scripting language. MC has their command blocks, i think that in-world scripting would be nice. Computercraft uses Lua, but the in-world console feels kinda clunky. My point is that it is obviously possible (yeah, i caught myself digressing.... for once!) |
| 09:51 |
TBC_x |
or get closer to do stuff that way |
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TBC_x |
I'm never satisfied how modding works tho |
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TBC_x |
because if you have a mod that adds just decoration blocks, that are cubic and do absolutely nothing, I think they could be separated from a mod, mods would add functionality |
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TBC_x |
in other worlds |
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TBC_x |
s/worlds/words |
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Megaf |
My girlfriend just asked me, havent you noticed anything diferent on me today? |
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friti |
New braces? |
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friti |
:-) |
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Megaf |
All men hate that question |
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kahrl |
"You look older today." |
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TBC_x |
mods - functionalities, blocks - er... blocks |
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Megaf |
Fortunetaly I managed to find out the answer, her lipstick! |
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TriBlade9 |
RIP Megaf |
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TriBlade9 |
:O |
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TriBlade9 |
MAGIC |
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friti |
I once told my wife "You shaved your mustache!!!". Boy, can she punch hard! |
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rubenwardy |
TBC_x, that's just a technicality |
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Megaf |
I took me three attemps to find that out |
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Megaf |
LOL friti ! |
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Megaf |
lmao |
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Megaf |
friti: Totally worth it |
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Megaf |
but dont do that again |
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TriBlade9 |
Damn |
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TriBlade9 |
I need to go out, not enough time to commit |
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friti |
But yeah, i do hate that too. Especially when it comes to lippy. The shade is just a smidge lighter/darker/redder/pinker than her usual shade. Not someting most men would notice. Now , if she suddenly were to wear BLUE lipstick instead of red/pink, it would be different |
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TriBlade9 |
x] |
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TBC_x |
rubenwardy: that's possible, there was a concern about adding the same stuff with different mods... so if you could separate blocks,entities and mods(functional part); a mod would for example change behaviour of sheepers that are from an animal pack, but you could pick the animal pack yourself. The animal pack could contain only meshes, textures and animations + register its animals. |
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TBC_x |
can't come up with a good term |
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TenPlus1 |
Hi folks |
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TenPlus1 |
I think we have a strange problem with Minetest... turns out someone can FAKE a chat and make other players say things... he was on Xanadu server as gnu-hunter and making players swear |
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TenPlus1 |
any idea how it's done so we can fix it ? |
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TenPlus1 |
anyone ??? this is quite a serious problem... |
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jin_xi |
idk maybe someone uses a modified client |
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TenPlus1 |
probably... but it's not nice on a server full of kids when someone is posting sex and swears everywhere on behalf of other players... |
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TenPlus1 |
we need a way of checking if the actual player is posting the chat before displaying it so hackers cant do this |
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jin_xi |
of course not. id suggest you check github if such thing is aready reported and open an issue if not |
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TenPlus1 |
yeah, will do that just now... thx dude |
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iqualfragile |
hello |
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RealBadAngel |
old trick |
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RealBadAngel |
using similar characters to fake nicks |
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RealBadAnge1 |
on some fonts it looks exactly the same |
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RealDadAngel |
;) |
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jin_xi |
congratulations? |
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RealBadAngel |
lol |
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TBC_x |
RBA: You can't fool pidgin! :D |
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RealBadAngel |
I and l |
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RealBadAngel |
almost the same lookin |
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RealBadAngel |
and folks will swear it was "him" |
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TBC_x |
pidgin generates colored names |
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RealBadAngel |
easy to check, just ask servers admin to see if there are nicks looking nearly the same |
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RealBadAngel |
there are player files in world folder |
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RealBadAngel |
easy enough to check them sorted |
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whmark |
TenPlus1: its very simpile. [your message] [a whole lotta spaces] <player nick> [the message they seem to have said] |
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whmark |
all the text after the spaces is put on the beginning of the next line in the chat and you can make it seem like people are saying things that they're not |
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jin_xi |
ah |
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rubenwardy |
Colored chat will probably fix that if the color real <names> |
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rubenwardy |
See pull |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi OldCoder |
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OldCoder |
TriBlade9, moin |
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TriBlade9 |
evni |
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TriBlade9 |
hi reactor |
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TriBlade9 |
Ohi asie brock__, Grim, and Graeme |
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Mikeonline |
hi |
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erlehmann |
whmark one could have a special character at the end of each continued line and at the beginning of each one that continues |
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erlehmann |
whmark like the following: |
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erlehmann |
<someuser> abc def ghi foo bar baz ↲ |
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erlehmann |
↳ bla blupp dudeldadeldi |
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erlehmann |
maybe use ⤶ and ⤷ for that |
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erlehmann |
or ⤸ and ⤹ |
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whmark |
erlehmann: that could work but so could: |
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whmark |
9<user> yo yo yo |
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Mikeonline |
if >> "minetest.place_node(pointed_thing.under, {name="air"}) << is called where is the function defined? |
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erlehmann |
whmark that is hard to read for me. it is light green on light gray. |
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TriBlade9 |
Is there a way to specify when a node is being rendered in-hand? |
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TriBlade9 |
(Sorry, that belongs in minetest-dev) |
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Mikeonline |
where can i lookup the full signature of minetest.place_node ? |
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TriBlade9 |
What do you mea Mikeonline? |
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Mikeonline |
in source |
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TriBlade9 |
Oh |
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Mikeonline |
i think the protection for bucket does not work because the "placer" argument is missing |
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Mikeonline |
so if an area (mod areas) is open the bucket can be used |
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Mikeonline |
if the area is closed it cant even if you are the owner |
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Mikeonline |
i think the placer argument is mising somewhere because its not hand over |
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TriBlade9 |
env.cpp I believe |
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TriBlade9 |
*l_env.cpp |
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TriBlade9 |
Wb asie |
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* shadowzone |
is afk and marked away |
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jin_xi |
Mikeonline: lua api is here https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 12:39 |
Mikeonline |
yes ive seen this |
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Mikeonline |
but there is no placer argument |
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jin_xi |
maybe you mean after_place_node? |
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Mikeonline |
so what happens if its called |
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jin_xi |
um, idk you can read the source |
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Mikeonline |
if i use the bucket in an open or closed area the code which runs should be: |
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Mikeonline |
minetest.place_node(pointed_thing.under, {name="air"}) |
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Mikeonline |
but it works only in an open area |
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Mikeonline |
i think thats because there is no placer argument passed |
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Mikeonline |
jin_xi: do you know what i mean? |
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rainbowdash__ |
hi |
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Mikeonline |
hi |
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jin_xi |
Mikeonline: im not familiar with any area protection stuff sorry |
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Mikeonline |
hm |
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rainbowdash__ |
im new to minetest |
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ibloat |
also new to irc it seems |
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NakedFury |
hi welcome to the community |
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sruz25 |
join #minetest-dev |
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sruz25 |
damn |
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PenguinDad |
!tell rainbowdash__ Next time stay a bit longer ;) |
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MinetestBot |
PenguinDad: I'll pass that on when rainbowdash__ is around |
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shadowzone |
Lol. |
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rubenwardy |
Mikeonline, that'll be a protection mod bug :P |
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reactor |
Eh TriBlade9 |
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TriBlade9 |
? reactor? |
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reactor |
Sorry, I was not there. |
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TriBlade9 |
What do you mean eh? |
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reactor |
Well I meah 'eh'. |
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TriBlade9 |
Eh referring to what? x] |
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TriBlade9 |
j/k, I'm suddenly bored |
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Mikeonline |
rubenwardy i dont think so |
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exio4 |
oh |
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exio4 |
confused #-dev with this channel |
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reactor |
Eh referring to 'eh'. |
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TriBlade9 |
Ahh, eh |
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rubenwardy |
ie: the protection mod doesn't check for blank player |
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rubenwardy |
Wait, what do you mean by "open"? |
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reactor |
Finally. |
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Mikeonline |
has someone ever used digilines? |
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Mikeonline |
whats the command to write on an lcd |
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Mikeonline |
ah channel is not a number its a string... |
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Mikeonline |
digiline_send("1","test") is correct. not (1,"test") |
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sruz25 |
is mc stack called stack in mt? |
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PenguinDad |
mc stack? |
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sruz25 |
of items |
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sruz25 |
64 |
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PenguinDad |
They have the same name in mt and mc |
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TriBlade9 |
Stack in MT is 99 |
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sruz25 |
k, thx |
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reactor |
Error: stack pointer lost. |
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TriBlade9 |
O_o |
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DusXMT |
hmm, I was wondering why I couldn't call functions |
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TriBlade9 |
Hi ecutruin, adidik, and alket! |
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ecutruin |
'elo. |
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alket |
hey TriBlade9 |
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sol_invictus |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1659 <- how is that possible (faking chat messages)? |
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TriBlade9 |
IDK sol_invictus, It's hard to tell exactly what the asker is askin about :/ |
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PenguinDad |
WTF is going on with wikipedia? |
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TriBlade9 |
What's wrong with it Penguin Dad? |
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PenguinDad |
TriBlade9: It's working again now |
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ecutruin |
Yay for random concept art.. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53977587/Machine.gif |
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whmark |
sol_invictus: black magic :O |
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sol_invictus |
for sure |
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whmark |
I answered that earlier btw |
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whmark |
do you have the chat logs? |
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TriBlade9 |
G'night people! |
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whmark |
or do I need to post the answer again? |
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PenguinDad |
ecutruin: that surely looks random :p |
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TriBlade9 |
Enjoy yourselfves ;) |
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TriBlade9 |
*yourselves |
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ecutruin |
PenguinDad, yuppers.. it was an idea I had related to multiple smaller "blocks" in a single block space. |
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FreeFull |
In a world of mine I have broken lighting due to worldedit. A partial solution has been to do //replace air air in certain places, but I'm not sure which exact places those are, and it's slow. //fixlight doesn't work. Is there some easy programmatic way I can fix the lighting instead? |
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FreeFull |
I was thinking remove all mapblocks which are just air, and then set the lightning_expired flag on the rest. Or just set that flag on everything |
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FreeFull |
lighting* |
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erlehmann |
for those who have read http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/minecraft-microsoft-territory.html i have two questions |
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erlehmann |
first: is an intentionally broken promise a lie? i would say yes, but friends of mine say no. |
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erlehmann |
second: does it need a TL;DR? one of my friends says yes, i wonder what it could be. |
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JTE_ |
Notch made plenty of promises he conviniently forgot. :P |
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erlehmann |
JTE_ yeah, but if you make a promise and no one believes it anyway … hmm. |
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FreeFull |
You can distinguish talking about what will happen in the future from talking about the present or the past |
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FreeFull |
Even if breaking a promise isn't considered a lie, it's still dishonest. |
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erlehmann |
yeah, that is the point. |
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erlehmann |
and a statement that is intentionally not true is a lie, right? |
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JTE_ |
but he didn't intend for it to be intentionally not true. |
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TBC_x |
well... I enjoyed playing minecraft the indie game |
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TBC_x |
Microsoft minecraft just feels wrong |
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JTE_ |
it was just ... not realizing what ridiculousness the future would bring. |
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erlehmann |
JTE_ so it is about internal states. |
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_3SidedSquare |
Hey guy o/ |
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erlehmann |
JTE_ i would probably lie about software as well if paid billions of dollares! |
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erlehmann |
:D |
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jin_xi |
its all speculative |
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JTE_ |
Notch never expected modding. Notch expected he'd release a kinda-cool game, develop it for a couple of years, it'd have a few thousand users, and then they'd all just get bored of it and leave. Then he'd release the source and it would get new life as a modding engine like Doom. |
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JTE_ |
But instead everyone picked it apart because Java is so easy to reverse engineer. :I |
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jin_xi |
your tl:dr should be about being butthurt really |
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erlehmann |
> so easy |
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erlehmann |
haha |
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erlehmann |
jin_xi i am not butthurt in the slightest |
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erlehmann |
:D |
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_3SidedSquare |
It really is though |
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_3SidedSquare |
you can even get the original variable names |
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JTE_ |
Yes, so easy. I'm JTE. I made the first custom Minecraft server ever. I would know. |
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sslb |
Is Microsoft minecraft going to be any different than the original? |
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_3SidedSquare |
Probably a few changes |
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erlehmann |
jin_xi i don't care about mc, i do not buy proprietary softare. |
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_3SidedSquare |
like you might need to pay for capes and shit |
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erlehmann |
i only buy free software. |
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_3SidedSquare |
>buying free software |
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jin_xi |
so why bother? |
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JTE_ |
>it's a free software, but you already paid |
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JTE_ |
isn't it ironic? don't you think?~ |
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erlehmann |
_3SidedSquare yeah like http://insideastarfilledsky.net/ |
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erlehmann |
it costs $12 |
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erlehmann |
but you get source code |
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erlehmann |
and i like the authors other games (that are free as in beer) |
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erlehmann |
so i feel fine about supporting that |
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rubenwardy |
free as in freedom |
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erlehmann |
compared to, say, a movie ticket, it is really a good way to convert monies into funnies |
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JTE_ |
Jason Rohrer's a pretty coo guy. |
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erlehmann |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
free software can have a price |
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erlehmann |
yes, i have written software under GPL and got paid :) |
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jin_xi |
but speculating about the future is not a promise and it turning out differently is no lie |
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JTE_ |
mmm. That's about the truth of it. |
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erlehmann |
jin_xi it did not „turn out differently“. notch chose this path. |
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erlehmann |
„i will†is a pretty bold statement :D |
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erlehmann |
if a promise is broken and it is beyond your power, okay, fine |
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erlehmann |
but if you break it yourself, well, that's dishonest |
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erlehmann |
and not something that happens to someone |
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erlehmann |
but something that you chose to |
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TBC_x |
In my language it could be described as "He threw pearls to swines." |
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jin_xi |
you are reading a lot into this quote. he explicitly mentions the G licences and says MC will never be free in this sense. go read again |
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meldrian |
Hello everyone |
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raffahacks |
Hi |
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raffahacks |
!rainbow bored |
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MinetestBot |
4b7o8r3ed |
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raffahacks |
!hash md5 bored |
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MinetestBot |
f5b5c28becf7fdb196e582b9d2ac64e5 |
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raffahacks |
!c 10/2 |
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MinetestBot |
5.0 |
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raffahacks |
!tell MinetestBot hello |
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MinetestBot |
I'm not dumb, you know? |
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raffahacks |
Can't stop laughing :) |
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raffahacks |
!c 2/3 |
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Megaf |
!c 2/3 |
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Megaf |
Yay! |
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* Megaf |
is on Linux |
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Megaf |
!c 1+1 |
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Megaf |
john_minetest: the bot just forgot maths |
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sfan5 |
* MinetestBot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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sfan5 |
thats the cause |
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* john_minetest |
is on 100% Linux |
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Megaf |
The heck |
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sfan5 |
-fnalerts/+#fnalerts- kornbluth/4922 (deprecated) seen burst timeout by 26 other connections |
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sfan5 |
freenode pls |
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* Megaf |
is 50% on Linux |
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sruz25 |
>linux |
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sruz25 |
>not gnu hurd |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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Megaf |
Debian Wheezy on a VirtualBox Virtual Machine running on OS X 10.10 Yosemite Beta 3 on a MacBook Pro 13" 7,1 MID 2010. |
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sfan5 |
sruz25: "What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX." |
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sruz25 |
oh, I WAS referring to the kernell |
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Megaf |
john_minetest: my mac is no retina, is 1280x800 |
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Megaf |
And that resolution suits this screen pretty well |
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sfan5 |
uh nooo |
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sfan5 |
MinetestBot actually manages to auto-reconnect for once |
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sfan5 |
and I killed it |
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mpa1212 |
How do I give initial priveleges? I cant figure out how to use commands from the dedicated server CLI |
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Megaf |
!c 2/3*2,4+34/3,42+1 |
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MinetestBot |
(1.3333333333333333, 15.333333333333334, 43) |
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sfan5 |
mpa1212: "default_privs = interact, shout, privs" or just edit auth.txt when the server is not running |
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Megaf |
talking about server, I wonder how my server is at the moment |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1011ms |
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Megaf |
0 clients, yay! no lag! |
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Megaf |
lol |
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sfan5 |
>ping of 1sec |
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Megaf |
sfan5: you know that ping is not real |
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sfan5 |
it is |
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sfan5 |
!up minetest.megaf.info:30003 |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
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sfan5 |
!up minetest.megaf.info30003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info30003:30000 seems to be down |
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sfan5 |
!up minetest.megaf.info3 0003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info3:3 seems to be down |
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sfan5 |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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sfan5 |
argh |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (996ms) |
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sfan5 |
^ Megaf 0.9 secs is not much better |
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Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down |
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Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (457ms) |
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Megaf |
I give up, I can' t type properly |
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mpa1212 |
sfan5: Thanks |
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Megaf |
anyway, sfan5, 1 second from where the bot is located... |
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sfan5 |
you mean germany |
| 15:38 |
Megaf |
my server is at the southernmost part of Brazil |
| 15:38 |
Megaf |
and I'm in Dublin |
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mpa1212 |
And how do i turn on creative mode for the server/a person on the server? Doesn't seem to be a command |
| 15:38 |
Megaf |
mpa1212: /grant PlayerName creative |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
is a priv |
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* ecutruin |
envisions a bunch of random MC people coming on this IRC over the next few months. |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
ecutruin: a bunch are already here |
| 15:39 |
ecutruin |
I'm sure. |
| 15:39 |
Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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* ecutruin |
wonders how many of them are developers... |
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mpa1212 |
Megaf: "Unknown privilege:creative" |
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Megaf |
mpa1212: so I have no idea |
| 15:40 |
Megaf |
that's how I do in my server |
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mpa1212 |
Megaf: Ok, thanks I'll just find a mod |
| 15:40 |
Megaf |
and by the way, we have enough servers already, people could just help existing servers instead of making new ones |
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PenguinDad |
Megaf: is there ui on your server? |
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Megaf |
PenguinDad: What do you mean? I know ui = User Interface |
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ecutruin |
Megaf, we need more core developers.. honestly.. patch up the engine to allow it to do the stuff you can do with MC mods. ^-^; |
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mpa1212 |
I'm (will be) making a private server |
| 15:41 |
PenguinDad |
Megaf: I mean Unified Inventory |
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rubenwardy |
Not more core developers, more contributors |
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Megaf |
PenguinDad: Ah, yes, we have that on my server, and bees! |
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Megaf |
PenguinDad: bees, homedecor, pipeworks, mesegates, mesecons, meselamps, darkage, moretrees and so on |
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rubenwardy |
More core developers would be redundant. Core developers are just contributors with access to the main code repo. And additional things. |
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sfan5 |
mpa1212: "creative_mode = true" in minetest.conf |
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mpa1212 |
sfan5: Doesnt that only set it for the local server though? |
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Megaf |
lets see how long will it take to compile full minetest with default options inside a vm on my macbook pro, |
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Mikeonline |
how can i connect a trafficlight to a digilinedistributor? |
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sfan5 |
mpa1212: minetest.conf on the server |
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ecutruin |
What we essentially need is leadership, organization and direction in the core developer group.. with a sizable contributor pool to act as additional resources. Cause so much is missing right now to allow many of the things that can be done via MC modding. |
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sfan5 |
not again |
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rubenwardy |
The thing is that MC modding is not real modding. |
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rubenwardy |
It is patching |
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sfan5 |
Im changing the config not to make MinetestBot connect to kornbluth |
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Jordach_ |
you mean kludging a kludge |
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Megaf |
ecutruin: I agree that Minetest need a leadership |
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* sfan5 |
meows at MinetestBot |
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* Megaf |
has a one man organization |
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ecutruin |
rubenwardy, sure. I'll agree. However, if MT cannot do the same kind of things effectively.. then how can it be a good solution for modders to move to? |
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Megaf |
we need Python in Minetest NOW |
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rubenwardy |
NO! |
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RealBadAngel |
what? |
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MinetestBot |
[Git] maciej.kasatkin o2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Change default halo.png for better visibility. 8da3136 http://git.io/bp3A7A (2014-09-19T17:47:19+02:00) |
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PenguinDad |
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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RealBadAngel |
apage satanas :P |
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rubenwardy |
Python is bad as a scripting language. |
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Mikeonline |
does anyone know how to use digiline distributors? |
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Megaf |
Python is fast for numeric operations |
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rubenwardy |
The whole extending vs embedding thing |
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Megaf |
Mikeonline: digilines only transmit information |
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Megaf |
you need something to generate/control the information |
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rubenwardy |
Megaf: I am not talking about the language, but rather using the language |
| 15:49 |
Megaf |
like lua controller |
| 15:49 |
Megaf |
controllers* |
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Hobodium |
we need Visual Basic now! |
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rubenwardy |
NOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
This time I am talking about the language |
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Mikeonline |
yeah visual basic rocks :) |
| 15:49 |
Mikeonline |
without option explicit :) |
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* Megaf |
gets the Assembly Bible and throws at Hobodium |
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sfan5 |
We need cats~~ |
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sfan5 |
!rainbow cats are great! |
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MinetestBot |
4cat7s a8re 3great! |
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sfan5 |
meow |
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Megaf |
It would be cool mods written in C++ |
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Calinou |
hi |
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Calinou |
Megaf, no, just no |
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Calinou |
don't use compiled languages for extension |
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Calinou |
this is asking for evilness |
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Mikeonline |
megaf: yes i connected them but how does the connection to the traffic light work |
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Calinou |
john_minetest, there are no C++ mods there, as in “extend things dynamically†|
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Calinou |
you can modify the client or server code like you'd do with Minetest |
| 15:50 |
Calinou |
but nearly no one does that |
| 15:50 |
Megaf |
Linux Kernel has C++ mods, we call them modules |
| 15:50 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 15:50 |
Calinou |
Voxelands (the new name of Minetest-classic) is based on 0.3.1 |
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Calinou |
john_minetest, .dll/.so? |
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Megaf |
and we can load and unload them on the runtime |
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Calinou |
which means OS-dependant, obscure mods? |
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sruz25 |
well, if the mod is resource-intense, v++ it could help |
| 15:51 |
Megaf |
and we cant load and unload lua modules in minetest |
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Calinou |
except if you add some kind of VM (like QVM) |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
<24Megaf> Linux Kernel has C++ mods, we call them modules |
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Hobodium |
C++ is too dangerous to trust mods with. Rust is obviously the way to go! |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
C mods* |
| 15:51 |
sruz25 |
*c++ |
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Calinou |
just use an interpreted language |
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* sfan5 |
curls up to Calinou's lap |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
it makes everyone life's easier |
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* sfan5 |
meows at Calinou |
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sruz25 |
Why not x86 assembly? |
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Megaf |
yep, those languages are much simpler to learn |
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rubenwardy |
You can do C++ mods in the way that Minecraft has mods. |
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* Megaf |
knows nothing about MC mods |
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Hobodium |
Geeze, either freenode is having severed issues or I am |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
Hobodium: you can blame some DDoS attacks |
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Jordach_ |
i just had a fucking ephiphany again |
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Calinou |
<sruz25> Why not x86 assembly? |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
-ENOTPORTABLE |
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Hobodium |
Megaf: Ah, I see. Hooray, internet dick waving! |
| 15:53 |
Megaf |
Kinda like that |
| 15:54 |
Megaf |
Assembly mod? Once I knew how to say hello world in assembly |
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ecutruin |
C++ mods aren't what I'm talking about though.. basic functionality is quite messy in MT and really could use fixing. |
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Calinou |
“basic functionalityâ€Â = ? |
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Calinou |
john_minetest, that's a bad reason, see GIMP still not having high-bit colour depths and CMYK |
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Calinou |
these things are often required by professionals (who, granted, are a minority) |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
but I've seen better, NeoTextureEdit can't properly load the files it saves and crashes on load if you have a configuration file. |
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ecutruin |
Calinou, lets see.. Animations always loop. You cannot execute non-looping animations. No entity prediciton, so entities bug out horribly (visually). To name a couple. |
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Calinou |
you can limit the time of an entity movement |
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Calinou |
which adds some sort of client-side prediction |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
non-looping animations would be useful to have a better death animation |
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jin_xi |
the non looping animations part sounds like something doable |
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ecutruin |
Entity prediction doesn't work from what I've seen.. entities do not appear where they should be quite often on clients, making them hard to interract with. |
| 16:01 |
tanath |
so what are coins for? |
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Megaf_ |
I hate when my ISP just decides to change my IP |
| 16:01 |
Megaf_ |
for changing sake |
| 16:01 |
Megaf |
real15m26.564s |
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Calinou |
ecutruin, you have to do it by hand |
| 16:01 |
Megaf |
Whoah! 15 minutes to compile minetest |
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Calinou |
you specify how long an entity velocity lasts |
| 16:02 |
Calinou |
Megaf, My Little ISP: Dynamic IPs are Magic |
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ecutruin |
Calinou that's a terrible method because it still doesn't mean the client will see it the same. |
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* tanath |
troutslaps Calinou |
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cg72 |
wait 15min to compile 0,o ar eyou on a pentium2 |
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Megaf |
Core2Duo at 2,4 GHz |
| 16:04 |
Megaf |
but I'm on a virtualmachine |
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cg72 |
lol i got 4 of those in my rack server :D same speed |
| 16:05 |
Megaf |
heh |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
well, if I ever have a rackserver it will be all ARM |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
octacores 64 bit ARMs |
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sfan5 |
does it have arms? |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
Maybe that new ARM Opteron AMD will sell |
| 16:06 |
Megaf |
lol sfan5 |
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cg72 |
lol some 16 cord amds would be great |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
AMDs problem is software |
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sfan5 |
especially arm64 <3333 ~ |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
softwares around still not properly DESIGNED for multi CPUs/cores |
| 16:08 |
Megaf |
A software should be multhread by design |
| 16:08 |
Mikeonline |
ah pole != pole |
| 16:08 |
Mikeonline |
there are 2 kinds of pole |
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Calinou |
cg72> lol some 16 cord amds would be great |
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| 16:08 |
Calinou |
great for your electricity supplier |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> softwares around still not properly DESIGNED for multi CPUs/cores |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
meanwhile, “Go Parallelâ€Â is sponsored by… Intel |
| 16:09 |
cg72 |
god i hate intel |
| 16:09 |
cg72 |
crap!!! |
| 16:09 |
Megaf |
So do I |
| 16:09 |
TBC_x |
software should use simd as much as possible |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
yep, that too |
| 16:10 |
cg72 |
my 4400+amd runs as fast as my 4 core intel and its 1ghz slower and half the cores |
| 16:10 |
Megaf |
AMD CPUs always had great instructions and dedicated componentes |
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TBC_x |
would be good to make worldgen with simd in mind |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
but not many software could use them |
| 16:11 |
Megaf |
good example is 3D Now! from AMD K6 |
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iqualfragile |
Megaf: its impossible to paralelize software by default |
| 16:11 |
TBC_x |
i've heard about CPU that can beat i7 on 800 MHz |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
what's 3D Now!? |
| 16:11 |
TBC_x |
but cannot confirm it |
| 16:12 |
Megaf |
Calinou: are you serious? |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
<cg72> my 4400+amd runs as fast as my 4 core intel and its 1ghz slower and half the cores |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
the Intel is older? |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
sorry, but look at every single benchmark: AMD is dead when it comes to CPUs |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
that's what every single hardware site/magazine's saying too |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
Megaf, random dotnet bubble extension? |
| 16:12 |
cg72 |
its within the same 3-5 month period |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
dotcom* |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
sounds like it |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
I've never seen anything use it |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
Calinou: its a extensions that would do what GPUs do today |
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| 16:13 |
Megaf |
Calinou: just go and google |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
I wish minetest could make heavy use of at lease SSE2 |
| 16:13 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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| 16:13 |
Calinou |
making heavy use of extension sets is very hard and time-consuming |
| 16:13 |
cg72 |
when i can run my amd with the fan unplugged ( i forgot to plugit in after working on it) and get over 200f and never die my intell shit i fried at 17of before |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
and you break compatibility with old CPUs |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
cg72, no CPU should run at >= 75° C |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
the end |
| 16:14 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I would say 68 |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
70 °C 24/7 is fine actually |
| 16:14 |
Megaf |
I find 68 C already too hot, it shortens the CPU life |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
70 °C is unlikely to shorten its life |
| 16:14 |
Megaf |
you sure? |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
(that is, over 3-4 years) |
| 16:14 |
TBC_x |
CPU compatibility doesn't matter much with foss |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
TBC_x, who wants to write dozens of fallbacks? |
| 16:15 |
TBC_x |
library maintainers |
| 16:16 |
cg72 |
i still have old x86 , a 386 and some 686 ( yes they are in working machinse) and even them amd would kill intel cpus |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
cg72: is not worth arguing with intelheads |
| 16:16 |
Megaf |
they got the money to pay for them |
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cg72 |
lol i ge free stuff from my E-cycle thats why i have intels inside |
| 16:17 |
Megaf |
if you compare $$xFLOPS AMD wins |
| 16:17 |
cg72 |
only reason |
| 16:18 |
cg72 |
almost identical amd and intell from about a yeear ago and amd complies 10% faster and is better at finding prims |
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joe__ |
Hello |
| 16:19 |
joe__ |
What is the difference between sand & dessert_sand? |
| 16:19 |
Megaf |
Its color |
| 16:19 |
joe__ |
Where do you find sand |
| 16:19 |
PenguinDad |
How it tastes :P |
| 16:19 |
Megaf |
joe__: beaches and deserts |
| 16:19 |
cg72 |
lol PenguinDad |
| 16:20 |
Megaf |
but I have already found lots of sand and dirt deep underground |
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joe__ |
desert_sand doesn't produce silicon |
| 16:21 |
Megaf |
hm, it should |
| 16:21 |
Megaf |
^ VanessaE |
| 16:21 |
Megaf |
anyway, you can convert desert sand to sand |
| 16:21 |
joe__ |
I made a change to the mesecons_meterials file to allow it make silicon |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
it isn't supposed to. |
| 16:22 |
joe__ |
Where do I find sand then |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
on beaches. |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
literally :) |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
regular sand in the game has a lighter color than desert sand |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
it can be found by water |
| 16:23 |
joe__ |
I just found it. I will change my file bck to to the original |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
if you have homedecor installed, there is a recipe that will let you craft desert sand into regular sand |
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Megaf |
joe__: you can make sand out of gravel out of cobble out of stone |
| 16:24 |
Megaf |
In fact I have a machine that makes sandstone bricks from lava |
| 16:24 |
joe__ |
In homedecor? |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
homedecor has a crafting chain for some of that yes. |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
(in the fake fire mod therein) |
| 16:26 |
joe__ |
Ok. |
| 16:26 |
joe__ |
Thanks |
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sfan5 |
<Calinou> cg72, no CPU should run at >= 75° C |
| 16:33 |
sfan5 |
tell that to my cpu |
| 16:34 |
Geppie |
lol |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
laptops can handle a bit more |
| 16:34 |
Geppie |
sfan5, i think you need a new fan if its running that hot |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> if you compare $$xFLOPS AMD wins |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
this is debatable |
| 16:34 |
sfan5 |
good luck installing a new fan into a laptop |
| 16:34 |
cg72 |
sfan my amd got to about 200F so 95cish |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
joe__, if you use Carbone, you can find sand underground too sometimes |
| 16:34 |
Calinou |
and even clay :P |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
Sandy Bridge throttles at 98°C, Ivy Bridge at 105°C, Haswell at 100°C |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
recent AMD may be 95°C or so |
| 16:35 |
cg72 |
my intell cooked at 175F!!! |
| 16:35 |
cg72 |
crappy chip |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
please use °C |
| 16:36 |
ecutruin |
Oh, Calinou, another important thing.. (sorry am gaming).. that I believe is at least being worked on is dynamic modifying of nodes.. so you can change nodes at runtime. |
| 16:36 |
cg72 |
damn you metric system |
| 16:36 |
cg72 |
lol |
| 16:36 |
Megaf |
damn you cg72... |
| 16:36 |
cg72 |
175f is 80c |
| 16:36 |
Megaf |
the whole world use metrics, but USA and England |
| 16:37 |
T4im |
cg72: http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/metric_vs_imperial.jpg |
| 16:37 |
T4im |
:P |
| 16:37 |
cg72 |
damn the bloody metric system :D |
| 16:37 |
T4im |
Megaf: uhm.. england uses metric system by now |
| 16:38 |
Amaz |
(mostly) |
| 16:38 |
TBC_x |
let's use soccer stadiums instead of kilometers! |
| 16:38 |
T4im |
officially anyway :D |
| 16:38 |
sruz25 |
*football |
| 16:38 |
cg72 |
hahaha and the pint |
| 16:38 |
T4im |
and i believe there where 2 others using the american one.. burma iirc and liberia.. or sometrhing like that |
| 16:38 |
cg72 |
i need one now :P |
| 16:39 |
Hobodium |
I'm in the US and we use both where I live, although I blame the Canadians for that. Soon metric will have total global saturation. |
| 16:39 |
T4im |
burma, liberia and us.. just doublechecked |
| 16:39 |
T4im |
u.s.* |
| 16:39 |
cg72 |
but its still one thing the metric system will never rule!!! |
| 16:39 |
TBC_x |
chinese will rule! |
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| 16:40 |
Calinou |
<cg72> my intell cooked at 175F!!! |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
it makes no sense to judge recent Intel CPUs based on 15 year old ones. |
| 16:40 |
cg72 |
porno! the length of a c__k is still always in inches rotf |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
Compressing minetest-0.4.10-8da3136-win32/games/carbone/mods/soccer/models/soccer_ball.x |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
y not b3de? |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
b3d* |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
cg72, or not. |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
sfan5, kaeza made it |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
.x is fine too |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
text format has upsides |
| 16:40 |
cg72 |
Calinou even my new intell i7 sucks |
| 16:41 |
T4im |
well.. there will be some things that will remain non-metric.. time for example.. hours, minutes, seconds.. global saturation, even though its totally nonmetric |
| 16:41 |
Calinou |
if you judge based on bogomips instead of reactivity… |
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| 16:42 |
T4im |
i also heared they build differently sized wings for an airplane via that |
| 16:42 |
T4im |
:P |
| 16:42 |
cg72 |
i go by what i use it for, compiling, internet porn , games and stuff i need kali linux for and my amds are faster at all of that |
| 16:42 |
sruz25 |
speaking of CPUs: I really hope we'll see onboard HBM on AMD APUs |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
hbm? |
| 16:42 |
sruz25 |
high bandwidth memory |
| 16:42 |
blaise |
hybrid bowel movement |
| 16:42 |
sruz25 |
basically big cache |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
ddr5? |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
I see |
| 16:43 |
sruz25 |
it's different from gddr5 though |
| 16:43 |
sruz25 |
it would boost iGPUs really well |
| 16:43 |
blaise |
iGPU ? |
| 16:43 |
sruz25 |
integrated |
| 16:43 |
blaise |
meh |
| 16:43 |
cg72 |
just give me some ddr 200, you can borrow my delorean to go get it lol |
| 16:44 |
sruz25 |
exactly, it's meh now |
| 16:44 |
blaise |
unless it's amd I don't want it |
| 16:44 |
sruz25 |
it could get very nice performance boost |
| 16:44 |
sruz25 |
it is |
| 16:44 |
blaise |
unless it's free of course |
| 16:44 |
blaise |
:D |
| 16:44 |
sruz25 |
as in libre? |
| 16:45 |
cg72 |
everything should be gpu based and not 86/64 ach. the advantages are so much greater |
| 16:45 |
T4im |
i doubt that.. |
| 16:46 |
T4im |
the power consumption optimizations for example don't come from the gpu sector, if i'm not mistaken |
| 16:46 |
cg72 |
i have written games in cuda and c++ the same game in cuda on my tesla is way faster than anything on even my server machine in c++ |
| 16:47 |
cg72 |
im not sure tbh but gpus can throttle by controlling the thread count to the cores |
| 16:47 |
RealBadAngel |
sorry but that sounds like "i wrote some code for my fridge, which is actually a bit newer than my cpu, so its faster" |
| 16:48 |
RealBadAngel |
there are areas where cuda can be faster, yes. but in general its not a cpu and never will be |
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| 16:49 |
cg72 |
lol atleast its not 32bit arm cores like my work stuff is lol |
| 16:50 |
T4im |
arm is not build to be the fastest.. arm is afaik build to be the cheapest ;) |
| 16:50 |
T4im |
at least they kind of managed that |
| 16:50 |
cg72 |
coding for arm is a pita i know that |
| 16:50 |
cg72 |
tht and avr ships |
| 16:50 |
cg72 |
chips** |
| 16:52 |
cg72 |
bye guys need to go work on my racing tractor |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
you write games in CUDA, how? |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
(that's shameful anyway) |
| 16:53 |
cg72 |
well not 100% cuda |
| 16:54 |
cg72 |
and why is it shamefull it was a learning experience lol not like i do it all the time only once |
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| 16:54 |
Calinou |
learning proprietary stuff |
| 16:55 |
cg72 |
i needed to for work lol had a project looking to use some gpu based chips |
| 16:55 |
cg72 |
never did due to price of the thing |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
what do you work for? |
| 16:56 |
cg72 |
hardware/software dev for automotive applications |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
good luck |
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| 16:56 |
cg72 |
why you say it like that:( |
| 16:56 |
Megaf |
ARM is built to be fast and energy efficient |
| 16:57 |
Megaf |
nobody beats arm in performance/watt |
| 16:57 |
Megaf |
my quad core 1,6 GHz ARM board compiles minetest server in 3 minutes |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
true, even though Intel says otherwise all the time :D |
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| 16:57 |
Megaf |
all tests of any ARM agains any Atom proves that ARM is much faster and using only a fraction of energy |
| 16:58 |
Megaf |
brb |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
> 1.6 GHz |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
> fast |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
my 2.8 GHz Phenom II X6 would like a word with you |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
ARM is energy efficient, absolutely. |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
but fast? not compared to any current desktop processor. |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
and mine's not exactly "current" either. |
| 17:00 |
alket |
STOP CART LAG PLEASE !!! IT'S ENTERING THE GROUND !!! |
| 17:01 |
cg72 |
it would be more helpfull to me if a chip affered a customizable interupt setup, i need 1 to over ride 2 now but 2 to over ride 1 later ahhhhh!! |
| 17:06 |
sruz25 |
amd is planning arm/x86 hybrid |
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sruz25 |
not sure if it's official or rumors, but it could be nice |
| 17:08 |
sruz25 |
suddenly JITs will be kind of useful |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
alket: stop shouting please. |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
alket: fixing the lag that happens with carts requires fundamental changes in the way Minetest works. it is not something we can fix very quickly |
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Krock |
hi |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:16 |
cg72 |
hiyas |
| 17:16 |
cg72 |
crap im never getting anything done chatting here lol |
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rainbowdash__ |
hi |
| 17:20 |
rainbowdash__ |
anyone online |
| 17:20 |
Krock |
hi |
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rainbowdash__ |
how ARE YOU |
| 17:22 |
Hobodium |
Nope, the internet is down for maintenance |
| 17:23 |
rainbowdash__ |
lol |
| 17:24 |
H-H-H |
someone forgot to put 50p in the meter |
| 17:26 |
alket |
VanessaE, sorry , it was anger writing |
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| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
alket: I could tell. the lag you experience is because the client can't predict where the cart, called an "entity", should go when the server experiences some kind of lag. |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
there are plans to fix this |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
but it needs work on both server and client |
| 17:28 |
VanessaE |
and changes to the carts mod too |
| 17:29 |
alket |
thanks for explaining and understaning |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
rainbowdash__, yes, Rarity is online. :3 |
| 17:34 |
rainbowdash__ |
Hi |
| 17:36 |
rainbowdash__ |
I am a litttle new to game but i have some expeiance to minecraft |
| 17:36 |
H-H-H |
how do i print to the console , i want to output some debug to console/chat |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
H-H-H, minetest.log("debug", "Your message.") |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
this? |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
don't use print() |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
use minetest.log(type, message) |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
it can be "action", "error"… |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
you probably want to use action |
| 17:37 |
rainbowdash__ |
how do you set up a server |
| 17:37 |
H-H-H |
ahh cool thanks |
| 17:37 |
H-H-H |
i tried print but it didnt seem to do anything |
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| 17:37 |
rainbowdash__ |
hi broam |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
rainbowdash__, http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server |
| 17:37 |
Broam |
ahoy. |
| 17:37 |
rainbowdash__ |
okay |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
:o Broam is a FSF member |
| 17:39 |
Broam |
wow, people read my cloak. Associate member. |
| 17:40 |
Broam |
Thanks for linking that wiki article Calinou. I might have to set up a semipublic server for one of the mods I'm helping to test that contains more mods than just the one we're working on :) |
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MinetestBot |
[Git] sfan5 -> minetest/master-server: Revert 757e186 "Disable source IP check because it causes problems" 9df5013 http://git.io/4NgXbg (2014-09-19T19:40:23+02:00) |
| 17:44 |
rainbowdash__ |
i did what it said but it said something about a port bind socket already in use or something like that |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
are there other Minetest processes running? |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
some other service using port 30000? |
| 17:45 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: I've got loads of varnings about deprecated add_pariclespawner calls. Fix the fake_fire bundled with HomeDecor. |
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rainbowdash___ |
it said failed to bind socket |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> are there other Minetest processes running? |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> some other service using port 30000? |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
!tell LemonLake https://tox.im/ pls |
| 17:47 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around |
| 17:47 |
rainbowdash___ |
ill chexk |
| 17:49 |
rainbowdash___ |
what does a port look like in commandprompt |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
nothing. |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
look at the task manager |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
are there other minetest.exe? |
| 17:50 |
rainbowdash___ |
so how do i find it |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
Ctrl + Alt + Delete → Task Manager |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
look at Processes |
| 17:52 |
rainbowdash___ |
ok |
| 17:52 |
rainbowdash___ |
i changed the port and i could connect |
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| 17:59 |
rainbowdash___ |
it worked |
| 17:59 |
rainbowdash___ |
calinou |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: you need to take 3 more steps: |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
1. stop watching mlp |
| 18:00 |
iqualfragile |
2. get a nickname without _________ at the end |
| 18:00 |
rainbowdash___ |
for what |
| 18:00 |
iqualfragile |
3. install linux |
| 18:00 |
* Calinou |
facehooves |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
you can perfectly host a server on Windows |
| 18:00 |
iqualfragile |
Calinou: windows ip stack sucks |
| 18:00 |
AMMOnym |
Hello there. Esteban told me that I should try ask you here. I have this code, but that doesnt work with my mod. It just create a bigger collision box and nothing more. If someone can send me an another code like this http://pastebin.com/6X0yBEbQ , so please give me a link on your code and I will use it for my mod. It should be done today, but without this code I cant continue. Thanks |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
rainbowdash___, as freenode is a large network, all the pony names are registered : |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 18:00 |
MinetestBot |
4rai7nbo8w d3ash! |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
iqualfragile, good enough for dozens of clients |
| 18:00 |
rainbowdash___ |
ok |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
what is more important is having good bandwidth |
| 18:01 |
GhostDoge |
john_minetest: Rainbow Dash! |
| 18:01 |
sruz25 |
you can keep on watching the show, but there's no need to be faggot about it |
| 18:01 |
rainbowdash___ |
i didn't know that |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
don't call people faggots please |
| 18:01 |
rainbowdash___ |
i just watch the show and thats it |
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| 18:01 |
sruz25 |
like you can have subtle nickname |
| 18:01 |
sruz25 |
like bluefast |
| 18:02 |
sruz25 |
or top_cunt |
| 18:02 |
* Jordach_ |
agrees with Calinou |
| 18:02 |
kaeza |
greetings |
| 18:02 |
rainbowdash___ |
i think its a cool nickname |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
because i once had 12 players running on WinXP |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
sruz25, watch your language |
| 18:02 |
iqualfragile |
sruz25: yes, we still preferr the word "frenchman" around here |
| 18:02 |
* sfan5 |
meows at Jordach |
| 18:03 |
TBC_x |
feed the poor kitty |
| 18:03 |
* TBC_x |
feeds sfan5 |
| 18:03 |
TBC_x |
TO FISHES! |
| 18:04 |
rainbowdash___ |
llol |
| 18:04 |
* sfan5 |
meows |
| 18:05 |
Krock |
lel, 2nd HDD islocked after a bluescreen |
| 18:05 |
Krock |
<3 windows |
| 18:06 |
iqualfragile |
Calinou: see thats what happens when you use windows |
| 18:06 |
rainbowdash___ |
iv'e played this game for week and i think its a cool game |
| 18:06 |
AMMOnym |
Hello there. Esteban told me that I should try ask you here. I have this code, but that doesnt work with my mod. It just create a bigger collision box and nothing more. If someone can send me an another code like this http://pastebin.com/6X0yBEbQ , so please give me a link on your code and I will use it for my mod. It should be done today, but without this code I cant continue. Thanks . Say me if I cant ask it here :) |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
<iqualfragile> sruz25: yes, we still preferr the word "frenchman" around here |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
OK, stop it now, last warning |
| 18:06 |
rainbowdash___ |
windows is better than linux because it can run almost any program |
| 18:06 |
rainbowdash___ |
no offense |
| 18:07 |
rubenwardy |
AMMOnym, I don't understand what you want. |
| 18:07 |
iqualfragile |
AMMOnym: stop spamming |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
old Windows versions aren't that stable |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
as they are more recent, they get more stable |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
AMMOnym: the collision box is defined by the node's draw type. |
| 18:07 |
rainbowdash___ |
im using windows 8 |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
same thing goes for all operating systems |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
good |
| 18:07 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: ok, kid |
| 18:07 |
rubenwardy |
rainbowdash___, that is because people write programs for Windows. Not because Windows supports more programs |
| 18:07 |
rainbowdash___ |
good point |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
AMMOnym: but you can use nodeboxes to get that effect. |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
please don't call people kids like that either |
| 18:08 |
* sfan5 |
*sigh* |
| 18:08 |
AMMOnym |
Thanks for answers |
| 18:08 |
sruz25 |
jeez, okay |
| 18:08 |
VanessaE |
AMMOnym: set some nodeboxes (exact same format as selection_box) but keep the drawtype as something else, say plantlike. the nodeboxes will create a collision box of the size you specify, but without being visible. |
| 18:08 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: can you please start noticing when things aren't meant seriously |
| 18:08 |
TBC_x |
whenever i sit infront of a computer with win 8, my head hurts |
| 18:08 |
rubenwardy |
Linux is better as an operating system, but when you take games and software into account it decreases the lead. I personally dual boot. I game on Windows, and do everything else on Linux. |
| 18:09 |
SylvieLorxu |
rubenwardy: s/and software// |
| 18:09 |
rainbowdash___ |
awesome |
| 18:09 |
TBC_x |
bashing my head into wall |
| 18:09 |
SylvieLorxu |
Linux has just as much software, if not more |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
sfan5, they are. |
| 18:09 |
SylvieLorxu |
It's just lacking in gaming |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
SylvieLorxu, your opinion |
| 18:09 |
SylvieLorxu |
Lacking in "proprietary gaming", specifically |
| 18:09 |
SylvieLorxu |
On Free Gaming we have the best choice |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
My college uses Windows only software. |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
That's what I meant :P |
| 18:10 |
rainbowdash___ |
i like windows but i always wonderd what lnux is like |
| 18:10 |
SylvieLorxu |
I use Linux-only software for college. Screw their crashy WhiteStarUML, I've got Umbrello :P |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
mostly the same choice as on Windows |
| 18:10 |
iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: how many gpus do you have and what cpu are you using? |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
but you can compile it at least, without it being a pain |
| 18:10 |
SylvieLorxu |
rainbowdash___: You can run it from a CD without installing it |
| 18:10 |
SylvieLorxu |
Just burn a CD or use something like UNetBootin on an USB stick |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
<TBC_x> whenever i sit infront of a computer with win 8, my head hurts |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
my head is better |
| 18:10 |
rubenwardy |
Can't remember |
| 18:10 |
SylvieLorxu |
And you can try without replacing Windows |
| 18:10 |
* john_minetest |
gives sfan5 a <'(((-< |
| 18:10 |
rubenwardy |
Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz × 2 |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
you can use a virtual machine for that, SylvieLorxu |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
Intel® G41 |
| 18:11 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 18:11 |
SylvieLorxu |
Calinou: Virtual Machines are generally much more unreliable than live CDs/USBs |
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| 18:11 |
iqualfragile |
Espeically they are slower, give a wrong idea |
| 18:11 |
rainbowdash___ |
well yeah but more things can go wrong when you boot up from a cd/usb |
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| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz |
| 18:12 |
sruz25 |
not when you only boot up |
| 18:12 |
sruz25 |
it's when you want to install it on your disk |
| 18:12 |
rainbowdash___ |
well thats when critical probles mostly happen |
| 18:12 |
iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: ok, that is too old |
| 18:12 |
sruz25 |
or you can just install it on another usb |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
When I said gaming, I meant stronghold 1 & 2, half life 2, portal, the sims, anno series, AoE III, etc. Pretty much all RTSes. |
| 18:13 |
sruz25 |
loading is slow as hell, but it's safe |
| 18:13 |
SylvieLorxu |
rainbowdash___: I haven't had anything go wrong there yet |
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| 18:13 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy, http://play0ad.com/ |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah. It still runs okay. |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
http://glportal.de/ too :D |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
Got that |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
got 0ad |
| 18:13 |
rainbowdash___ |
well some times a virus can get on the disk |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, what's BGA? |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
to me, it's Ball Grid Array… |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
rainbowdash___, :S |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
That's what Microsoft want you to think |
| 18:14 |
rainbowdash___ |
i have a book called c++ for dummies |
| 18:14 |
rainbowdash___ |
and i want to become a devloper for minetest |
| 18:14 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: leme guess, you are 14-15? |
| 18:14 |
rubenwardy |
rainbowdash___, I recommend you start easier than C++ if you have less than a year of experience. |
| 18:15 |
sruz25 |
eh, c#/python is better for begginers |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
C#? no thanks |
| 18:15 |
rainbowdash___ |
i can learn that at treehouse |
| 18:15 |
sruz25 |
I didn't say I like it |
| 18:15 |
TBC_x |
I've got a book about programming in ASM... but actually it's MASM |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
rainbowdash___, at Twilight Sparkle's tree library :D |
| 18:15 |
rainbowdash___ |
lol |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
john_minetest, same |
| 18:15 |
sruz25 |
but it IS easier than cpp |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
Java instead of C#, please. |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
NodeBoxEditor is an example of that |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
similar goals |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
bye |
| 18:16 |
rainbowdash___ |
bye |
| 18:16 |
rainbowdash___ |
calinou |
| 18:17 |
TBC_x |
C++ is not the best either |
| 18:17 |
iqualfragile |
john_minetest: there is mono |
| 18:17 |
rainbowdash___ |
c++ is a pretty powerfull programming language |
| 18:17 |
sruz25 |
john_minetest: it's not bad when it works, but yes, proprietary is bad |
| 18:17 |
blaise |
is honey from the bees mod used in other recipes ? |
| 18:17 |
blaise |
I can't figure out what to do with it |
| 18:17 |
rubenwardy |
I think the Java developers want Java to run on the Pentagon. The security settings are stupid. I hate it. Why can't they just sandbox the language? Add privileges so the user has to authorise each file access, etc. (I am mainly talking about in the browser) |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
</rant> |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy, it is sandboxable |
| 18:18 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: well, you'd better not shoot yourself in the leg, if it's so powerfull |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
Java in browser: disable. |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
the end. |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah. |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
don't allow plugins to run, for maximal security |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
That is what I do |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
Java doesn't have its place in a browser |
| 18:18 |
TBC_x |
it probably is... but i think it is overfeatured |
| 18:18 |
jp |
rubenwardy : how progress NBE 7.1 ? |
| 18:18 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: what do you mean by "powerfull"? |
| 18:19 |
rubenwardy |
jp: slowly :P |
| 18:19 |
TBC_x |
http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ |
| 18:19 |
rubenwardy |
I work in bursts, about a month and a half apart |
| 18:19 |
sruz25 |
iqualfragile: well, it IS powerful as in you can do a many things, lowlever included |
| 18:19 |
sruz25 |
but you can do some horrible things too |
| 18:20 |
iqualfragile |
sruz25: i asked rainbowdash___ |
| 18:20 |
sruz25 |
k |
| 18:20 |
rainbowdash___ |
it can make good programs do more than some programming languages can and some other things too |
| 18:20 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: wtf? i don't understand |
| 18:21 |
blaise |
lol |
| 18:21 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: kind of yes, but not really |
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| 18:21 |
TBC_x |
i still prefer unmanaged environment |
| 18:21 |
rainbowdash___ |
its hard to explain what powerfull really is thou |
| 18:21 |
blaise |
you know what everyone is raving over? |
| 18:21 |
rainbowdash___ |
what |
| 18:21 |
blaise |
GO |
| 18:22 |
TBC_x |
though I found a CPU that does it on lower level, including typechecking |
| 18:22 |
blaise |
aparently it's incredible to code with |
| 18:22 |
sruz25 |
the biggest difference when it comes to performance is not having GC |
| 18:22 |
TBC_x |
well... i like duck typing |
| 18:22 |
rainbowdash___ |
c++ can be a pain when trying to fix errors |
| 18:22 |
blaise |
I envision coders acting like the girls in the shampoo commercials.. |
| 18:22 |
sruz25 |
and that doesn't matter unless it's performance-heavy program |
| 18:23 |
blaise |
http://golang.org/ |
| 18:23 |
blaise |
lol |
| 18:23 |
GhostDoge |
Go lang go! |
| 18:23 |
Hobodium |
Like a videogame |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
C++ is powerful in that it is lower level than other languages. |
| 18:24 |
blaise |
meh |
| 18:24 |
sruz25 |
blaise: it has weird syntax though afaik. less brackets and such |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
not in that it is quick to learn and develop for |
| 18:24 |
blaise |
C > CPP |
| 18:24 |
TBC_x |
oh cmon, you can find people worshipping even dog shit if you give 'em $$$ |
| 18:24 |
GhostDoge |
blaise: ASM > C :P |
| 18:24 |
friti |
If you really want to go low-level, go maniulate individual bits :-) |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
rainbowdash___, I have found your ideal Linux distro: http://www.ponyos.org/ |
| 18:25 |
sruz25 |
GhostDoge: electric needle+firm hand>ASM |
| 18:25 |
rainbowdash___ |
ok |
| 18:25 |
rubenwardy |
woops, it is not Linux |
| 18:25 |
GhostDoge |
rubenwardy: that's not linux |
| 18:26 |
iqualfragile |
holding a butterfly in your closed hands, opening them for a sec to let the butterfly flap once, to manipulate the athmospheric preasures to form lenses to focus cosmic radiation on one specific spot on your hdd to flip a bit > electric needle+firm hand |
| 18:27 |
* blaise |
busts out his hex editors |
| 18:27 |
rainbowdash___ |
can anyone teach being a good minetest server admin |
| 18:27 |
friti |
iqualfragile: I acttually prefer waving a wand over a goat sacrifice, but whever floats your boat ;-) |
| 18:28 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: yes, grow up, don't use windows |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
rainbowdash___, using your head and not being a doúchebag |
| 18:28 |
TBC_x |
rainbowdash___: nobody but yourself |
| 18:28 |
blaise |
lol |
| 18:28 |
friti |
rainbowdash___: Only use your power when you really have no other choice |
| 18:29 |
blaise |
Powah? |
| 18:29 |
rainbowdash___ |
listen i was jjust asking sugestions and im serious |
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exio4 |
what the ... is ponyos |
| 18:29 |
* blaise |
facepalms |
| 18:29 |
TBC_x |
damn... i should close some of my 194 open tabs in firefox |
| 18:29 |
rainbowdash___ |
pony operating system |
| 18:30 |
blaise |
rainbowdash___: careful with the mods.. it can really drag your server down |
| 18:30 |
rainbowdash___ |
ponyOS for short |
| 18:30 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: these were all serious answers |
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| 18:30 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: just go try things and when you encounter problems, google, if you keep failing for at least 30 minutes, you can go ask to irc |
| 18:30 |
blaise |
rainbowdash___: don't grant anyone anything, ever |
| 18:30 |
GhostDoge |
exio4: April fools os |
| 18:30 |
exio4 |
oh |
| 18:30 |
blaise |
cept for interact and talk and stuffs |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
blaise: well, if your server is too big you might need one or two mods |
| 18:31 |
rainbowdash___ |
hold on guys one sec |
| 18:31 |
friti |
rainbowdash___: And i was serious. A good server owner sits back and does little to interfere, unless it is really needed |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
exio4, rainbowdash___, notice "Happy April Fools Day" at the bottom of ponyos.org |
| 18:31 |
blaise |
iqualfragile: I have to many mods. |
| 18:31 |
blaise |
!server Midnight |
| 18:31 |
MinetestBot |
blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 924ms |
| 18:31 |
blaise |
go ahead, check it out |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
blaise: no, moderators, not modifications |
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| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
Do you know how to make a server, rainbowdash___? |
| 18:32 |
iqualfragile |
friti: looks like i am a great server admin then, i don't even play minetest anymore |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:32 |
blaise |
I'm franticly in complete dispair over trying to find a good minecart mod |
| 18:32 |
TBC_x |
damn... i modified the rendering code a bit and it doesn't render anymore |
| 18:33 |
blaise |
a sobing mess... |
| 18:33 |
blaise |
I need trains in my minetest server! |
| 18:33 |
exio4 |
this is what I wanted http://www.toaruos.org/pages/about.html |
| 18:34 |
rainbowdash___ |
uh i just got a app called cam studio put it keeps on opening diffrent web pages |
| 18:34 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: but first and foremost: STOP using that nickname on irc if you want help, people will not take you seriously. It's huge flag saying "LOOK I'M 12" |
| 18:34 |
blaise |
I wonder if minetest would work better if we ported it to GO ? |
| 18:34 |
rainbowdash___ |
btw im 13 |
| 18:35 |
blaise |
rainbowdash___: sounds like malware |
| 18:35 |
sruz25 |
what a sirprise |
| 18:35 |
sruz25 |
</sarcasm> |
| 18:36 |
underscores____ |
We are underscores. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. :D |
| 18:37 |
TBC_______x |
now, don't get ridicilous |
| 18:37 |
Nitori |
what's with all those underscores? |
| 18:37 |
iqualfragile |
john_minetest: best os ever: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/ |
| 18:37 |
sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: it's good that you are interested in tech and such, but people will often consider it not worthwhile trying to advice someone that young |
| 18:37 |
TBC_______x |
It's underscores______ day! |
| 18:38 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, does that make me a real coder? |
| 18:38 |
exio4 |
or it doesn't work that way? :P |
| 18:38 |
sruz25 |
so trying to hide your age and act more grown up is advicable |
| 18:39 |
TBC_x |
real coder knows that he has 1 parents, 9 fingers, but mostly, worships only 0 god! |
| 18:39 |
sruz25 |
and changing your nick is first step |
| 18:39 |
rainbowdash___ |
look sruz25 im entiled to my opion when it comes to nicknames |
| 18:39 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, I code, but can't draw, but I am not a good coder |
| 18:40 |
rainbowdash___ |
im bad a drawing |
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| 18:40 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, I only need 5~4 years more |
| 18:40 |
DusXMT |
sruz25: quite frankly, you're the one who acts like a kid by bashing on people's nicknames, even though they're not offensive |
| 18:41 |
rainbowdash___ |
its not like my nick name is some random text |
| 18:41 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, http://norvig.com/21-days.html! |
| 18:41 |
rainbowdash___ |
and dusXMT is right |
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| 18:43 |
exio4 |
:P |
| 18:43 |
sruz25 |
you can keep it if you want, but if you're planning to seek advice somewhere where are mostly people who are older and such, it's better to not say "I'm 13" with your nick |
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| 18:43 |
sruz25 |
is all I'm saying |
| 18:43 |
rainbowdash___ |
ok |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
the problem is that its literally impossible for 13 year old to be good programmers, the brain structure is wrong |
| 18:44 |
rainbowdash___ |
i just dont think nicknames are good advice for creating a server though |
| 18:45 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: serious advice: go play outside for two more years, then come back |
| 18:45 |
iqualfragile |
we will still be here |
| 18:45 |
DusXMT |
You'd be surprised, there's actually quite a bit of adults watching mpl. Even I watched the entire first series, but I don't consider myself a `brony' because I really just saw it as any other cartoon I've watched and enjoyed. |
| 18:45 |
DusXMT |
*mlp |
| 18:45 |
rainbowdash___ |
not true im studying programming at team treehouse .com and its good at |
| 18:45 |
TBC_x |
iqualfragile: don't underestimate the age, I've been kinda good coder when i was 13 |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
TBC_x: have you looked at code you wrote when you were 13 recently? |
| 18:46 |
sruz25 |
as I said already, it's good that you're interested in such things, instead of pleying vidia |
| 18:47 |
rainbowdash___ |
we learn from are mistakes and you dont know what are code looks like now do you |
| 18:47 |
TBC_x |
iqualfragile: that got lost in time |
| 18:47 |
TBC_x |
unfortunately |
| 18:47 |
sruz25 |
but if you want to hang out with grown ups, they will kind of expect you to act that way too |
| 18:47 |
rubenwardy |
Practice, not age |
| 18:47 |
friti |
iqualfragile: A Dutch saying goes that "learned young, done old". Meaning that it's a good thing to start when young. You'd only be better when you're older. So rainbowdash___, if you want to start coding now, please do so. But it takes a while to become good at it |
| 18:48 |
rainbowdash___ |
have you haerd the the term you cant teach an old dog new tricks |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
Guys, please stop harrasing. This sort of thing is why so many people leave the community, or get dissuaded too soon. |
| 18:49 |
exio4 |
rainbowdash___, you should start programming |
| 18:49 |
iqualfragile |
friti: i just fear he is wasting his childhood |
| 18:49 |
* friti |
is a 44 year old fart, and wrote his first Basic program at age 12 because other programming languages were not avalable to him |
| 18:49 |
rainbowdash___ |
im homescholled what is there to lose |
| 18:50 |
exio4 |
it is a beautiful thing, it really helps with problem solving "thinking", and can convert abstract creativity in small programs that do things that you want, in the way you want them to resolve problems! |
| 18:51 |
sruz25 |
john_minetest: but they usually don't have such obvious nicknames |
| 18:51 |
sruz25 |
like me |
| 18:51 |
rubenwardy |
iqualfragile: that is his/her parents' job. Not yours. |
| 18:51 |
rainbowdash___ |
you have a good point |
| 18:51 |
rainbowdash___ |
but who cares if your a brony or not |
| 18:51 |
exio4 |
I wish I start programming before I was 10 :( |
| 18:52 |
friti |
iqualfragile: Too late. Kids today are not interested in playing outside anymore. At least rainbowdash___is not limiting himself or herself to just mindlessly playing games. I like that rainbowdash___wants to code, at least he/she is using his/her brains solving problems! |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
The code you write at the moment won't be very good, rainbowdash___. That is just how it is. But it will only get better. PilzAdam became a core dev when he was 16. |
| 18:52 |
asie |
hi |
| 18:52 |
asie |
i'm a 17-year-old programmer |
| 18:52 |
rainbowdash___ |
i ride my bike alot |
| 18:52 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: my condolences |
| 18:52 |
asie |
john_minetest: yes |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
I'm 17, too |
| 18:52 |
asie |
i think that's about 11-13, or so |
| 18:52 |
rainbowdash___ |
its okay |
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iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___/friti yes, absolutely, better code then play, but the question is if that are the only options |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
..and a chkdsk /F later... |
| 18:53 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, I don't really think you need to connect much for coding _toy_ things |
| 18:53 |
rainbowdash___ |
plus i cant wait for winter i have a snowbord i want to try out |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
HDD's working fine again :) |
| 18:53 |
exio4 |
who here isn't 17? |
| 18:53 |
rainbowdash___ |
me |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
exio4, me? |
| 18:54 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: please don't start with c++, it will frustrate you |
| 18:54 |
iqualfragile |
exio4: me |
| 18:54 |
friti |
iqualfragile: Nobody ever sayd that coding/playing is the only thing rainbowdash___is doing.... |
| 18:54 |
rainbowdash___ |
okay |
| 18:54 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: start with python, its more fun |
| 18:54 |
exio4 |
oh neat, still 4-2! |
| 18:54 |
exio4 |
I'd start with scheme |
| 18:54 |
PenguinDad |
exio4: I'm younger than 17 |
| 18:54 |
friti |
(damn my typos) |
| 18:54 |
jin_xi |
why not lua |
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rubenwardy |
Krock is about 3 |
| 18:54 |
iqualfragile |
bc python has a turtle module and thats good for kids :D |
| 18:54 |
rainbowdash___ |
i can learn that at treehouse |
| 18:54 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
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friti |
iqualfragile: why not suggest Logo whilst you;re at it? |
| 18:55 |
PenguinDad |
Good ol' logo :D |
| 18:55 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, pointers? classes? visibility? |
| 18:55 |
iqualfragile |
friti: bc logo is horrible |
| 18:55 |
exio4 |
pointers? noone is learning C here |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, from where... oh yes, you saw me on the advertise on YT, playing with toys.. |
| 18:55 |
exio4 |
classes? who the hell would learn OOP? |
| 18:55 |
Jonuz |
john_minetest: same here:-D |
| 18:55 |
friti |
But logo has a turtle too! |
| 18:56 |
Jonuz |
OPP is best |
| 18:56 |
exio4 |
visibility? lexical scope is kinda "intuitive" |
| 18:56 |
* jin_xi |
is sorry for all the guys who think java or c++ are oop |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
I <3 things which have a compression radio of 99% |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
*ratio |
| 18:56 |
exio4 |
Jonuz, yeah, if you're coding in Java where it is the only way to solve any problem decently because the lack of expresiveness of your language |
| 18:56 |
rainbowdash___ |
i have a lego ev3 |
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exio4 |
john_minetest, functional programming is really abstract |
| 18:57 |
friti |
rainbowdash___: Do whatever you like to do. It's the best way to become good at what you do. |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
Jonuz: oop sucks, most of the time |
| 18:57 |
PenguinDad |
<3 Functional programming |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
you only need it for really large projects |
| 18:57 |
exio4 |
it is a nice DSL overused everywhere |
| 18:57 |
Hobodium |
Pick a language and realize you should focus on concepts. Mastery of languages comes later and is nowhere near as important. You can always learn another language once you know what the heck programming actually is. |
| 18:57 |
rainbowdash___ |
agreed friti |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
its damn stupid to use it for everything |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
java sucks |
| 18:57 |
jin_xi |
iqualfragile: ever tried real oop, squeak or so? |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
jin_xi: can you solve real life problems with that? |
| 18:57 |
jin_xi |
its kinda more than just the verbosity that java et al make it look like |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
I've got some LEGO ©®™, too. |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
(no have not) |
| 18:58 |
jin_xi |
yes |
| 18:58 |
exio4 |
Hobodium, have to agree, but starting with an "easier" syntax is a neat way to start |
| 18:58 |
iqualfragile |
rainbowdash___: http://www.learnpython.org/ try this |
| 18:58 |
exio4 |
I've to say though, that I got my first concepts of programming with pascal :P |
| 18:59 |
jin_xi |
idk i think minetest with its simple modding api, young audience and lua as the language of choice makes a fun learning environment |
| 18:59 |
exio4 |
wish I started with a "functional" language, even if it wasn't a pure one like Scheme |
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sruz25 |
rainbowdash___: http://www.learnpython.org/ try this <--------THIS |
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friti |
rainbowdash___: You are learning to program at treehouse.com, right? Have you been doing that for long? |
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exio4 |
jin_xi, you can have nice OOP, the problem is that if you say any "average" programmer what OOP means to them, they'll say lot of things that are actually worthless in any expressive language |
| 19:00 |
exio4 |
s/you say any/you ask any/ |
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sruz25 |
python is a good starting language, and it's used in praxis as well |
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rainbowdash___ |
for abot a copoul fo years |
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friti |
And rainbowdash___, you said you are homeschooled, is programming part of your lesson plan? |
| 19:01 |
iqualfragile |
i started somewhere between java and c#, they sucked, did a bit of stuff with freepascal, sucked, too (they have a horrible compiler, does not optimize var+=1 into an inc) |
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iqualfragile |
then i looked at python and was happy |
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* Krock |
double-clicks on mt_compile.bat |
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iqualfragile |
Krock: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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* exio4 |
gives iqualfragile a fresh install of GHC |
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rainbowdash___ |
i see you found my post on the forum |
| 19:03 |
friti |
rainbowdash___: Who did? |
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* DusXMT |
likes C, it has a nice compiler (gcc) which runs on almost anything on any OS, and it's powerful |
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rainbowdash___ |
rubenwardy |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207737 |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
No title found. |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
k. |
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exio4 |
DusXMT, have you tried coding in Haskell? |
| 19:04 |
exio4 |
that is my lovely language right now, even its community is awesome |
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exio4 |
it is a gateway drug to dependant typing anyway :P |
| 19:04 |
DusXMT |
exio4: No, but I've heared it's a nice language. I'm aiming at Scheme and Pascal atm :) |
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exio4 |
DusXMT, do you have some free time the next months? proglang in coursera (https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang) is an amazing FP course and goes from SML to Racket (basically Scheme) and then Ruby |
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sruz25 |
exio4: I've tried it. Strong type is really annoying thing until you get used to it |
| 19:07 |
exio4 |
you even implement a small "interpreter" of a tiny language! |
| 19:07 |
DusXMT |
exio4: Unfortunately, no. My schedule is full, I haven't even gotten to playing Minetest yet, but I will soon :) |
| 19:07 |
TBC_x |
i found untyped languages pretty useful |
| 19:07 |
DusXMT |
But I'll definitely bookmark it |
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* DusXMT |
is a fan of strong typing, helps with debugging |
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exio4 |
strong typing is useful for reducing "silly errors" |
| 19:08 |
exio4 |
and REALLY helps with refactoring |
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rainbowdash___ |
my post is on the general dicuusin titled what can we do to improve minetest |
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DusXMT |
rainbowdash___: play it, see what's not working/what you think could be done better, and either let us know or try fixing it yourself |
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exio4 |
john_minetest, less abstracted programming? why would you want to do that without any specific reason? |
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_Esteban |
Hi peeps! Im paasing by to inform that theres some spamming on the general discussion thread: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10162 |
| 19:11 |
rubenwardy |
back :/ |
| 19:11 |
_Esteban |
passing* |
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TBC_x |
untyped language like FORTH is really easy to debug |
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exio4 |
I'd love to see languages more languages like Idris |
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exio4 |
general purpose languages with dependant types |
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_Esteban |
Well, the threads were removed, thanks moderators! |
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* sfan5 |
meows at _Esteban |
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rainbowdash__ |
hi im back |
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* _Esteban |
meows at sfan5 |
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* john_minetest |
gives sfan5 a bowl of milk |
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rubenwardy |
I made a language. Heavily inspired by befungr. http://github.com/rubenwardy/beruben |
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* sfan5 |
noms the boal |
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* john_minetest |
gives _Esteban a <'(((-< |
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_Esteban |
gtg |
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* PenguinDad |
mews at _Esteban :3 |
| 19:14 |
exio4 |
I should upload the language interpreter I wrote to github |
| 19:14 |
_Esteban |
xD |
| 19:14 |
_Esteban |
cya later peeps! Ill be back once I finish studying! |
| 19:15 |
TBC_x |
Idris looks interesting |
| 19:15 |
TBC_x |
it even has extensible syntax |
| 19:15 |
exio4 |
TBC_x, you can think of Haskell as the gateway drug to Idris :) |
| 19:17 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, I think "abstract thinking" is harder than "connecting the pieces together" |
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rubenwardy |
so yeah |
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TBC_x |
I hate those abstractions often found in java code |
| 19:21 |
TBC_x |
it makes tracing program flow almost impossible |
| 19:22 |
TBC_x |
you see ClassA.execute() |
| 19:22 |
TBC_x |
i mean ObjectA.execute() |
| 19:22 |
TBC_x |
then you find that it is of type InterfaceA |
| 19:23 |
TBC_x |
which have ten implementing classes |
| 19:23 |
TBC_x |
each is abstract |
| 19:24 |
exio4 |
TBC_x, that isn't abstraction |
| 19:24 |
exio4 |
that is useless boilerplate |
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kaeza |
<exio4> I should upload the language interpreter I wrote to github |
| 19:24 |
* kaeza |
is interested |
| 19:25 |
exio4 |
heh, I don't have it right now, it is in my desktop, but I've an example .mupl file |
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* sfan5 |
cats at exio4 |
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kaeza |
inb4 yet another variant of haskell/go/<insert "modern" language here> |
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kaeza |
why does nobody like C? :< |
| 19:26 |
exio4 |
it is a superset of an "untyped lambda calculus" |
| 19:26 |
exio4 |
I love C |
| 19:26 |
exio4 |
but FP is like, a lovely thing |
| 19:27 |
exio4 |
kaeza, http://dpaste.com/0QSHA35 |
| 19:28 |
exio4 |
all functions take a single param, "?" is the if |
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exio4 |
? condition $ true-expr $ false-expr |
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exio4 |
I also have the "draft" LBNF of the language :P |
| 19:29 |
rubenwardy |
that is crazy |
| 19:29 |
exio4 |
what is crazy? |
| 19:29 |
TBC_x |
that's like deobfuscated brainfuck |
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* Jordach |
reads FP as Front Page Extensions |
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exio4 |
john_minetest, composing functions for getting useful results |
| 19:30 |
exio4 |
Jordach, Functional Programming! |
| 19:31 |
exio4 |
TBC_x, it is a untyped language! |
| 19:31 |
exio4 |
90% 90% :P |
| 19:32 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, "new ways of combining objects"? |
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exio4 |
isn't function composition enough for most things? |
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jojoa1997 |
I am soooo fing mad |
| 19:32 |
exio4 |
(add monads and you've got a nice thing) |
| 19:32 |
jojoa1997 |
I hate Florida and the heavy rain soaking my backpack and ruining my notes! |
| 19:33 |
exio4 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhuHCtR3xq8 |
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exio4 |
john_minetest, why is Scene calling "Room"? |
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jojoa1997 |
Does anyone here build Minetest on windows? |
| 19:35 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, why is even that "datatype" calling other "datatype" by itself? |
| 19:36 |
exio4 |
true, abused domain specific language |
| 19:36 |
exio4 |
also known as "OOP" |
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ShadowNinja |
john_minetest: No, but BlockMen does. |
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exio4 |
if you had inheritance you would end with this: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition |
| 19:38 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, why do you even need classes though |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
jojoa1997: no. set up a VM, or dual boot. It'll make life easier. |
| 19:38 |
jojoa1997 |
rubenwardy no |
| 19:40 |
exio4 |
I don't listen to people say "Hey man, I've coded an awesome game in SQL, it rocks!" |
| 19:40 |
jojoa1997 |
Hey man, I've coded an awesome game in SQL, it rocks! |
| 19:40 |
jojoa1997 |
Also what is SQL? |
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kaeza |
:| |
| 19:40 |
exio4 |
and then adding "The engine is written in TeX" |
| 19:40 |
jojoa1997 |
The engine is written in TeX |
| 19:41 |
jojoa1997 |
also what is TeX? |
| 19:41 |
jojoa1997 |
I have no idea what I am saying. |
| 19:41 |
exio4 |
because they're awesome in their domains doesn't mean you should overuse them everywhere |
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* sfan5 |
meows at exio4 |
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exio4 |
jojoa1997, programming languages |
| 19:42 |
jojoa1997 |
I knew that |
| 19:42 |
jojoa1997 |
I just dont know what they are good at |
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exio4 |
mainly SQL for managing data, TeX for writing papers |
| 19:43 |
kaeza |
TeX is for DBs and SQL for rendering graphics |
| 19:43 |
kaeza |
oh lag :< |
| 19:43 |
exio4 |
<3 |
| 19:44 |
kaeza |
at least you can make a raycaster in POVRay <_< |
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rubenwardy1 |
jojoa1995: are you jealous of my cmake . && make -j3? |
| 19:46 |
exio4 |
john_minetest, would anyone even code some "real game" with it? |
| 19:46 |
exio4 |
rubenwardy1, -j7 here |
| 19:46 |
rubenwardy1 |
how hard would it be to make an exe that set everything up for you on windows? |
| 19:46 |
exio4 |
e^(+inf) |
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jojoa1997 |
rubenwardy1 I used ubuntu for a long time now and I love how cmake . && make -j2 makes compiling scriptable |
| 19:47 |
jojoa1997 |
But I cant make an exe :P |
| 19:47 |
jojoa1997 |
also my name is jojoa1997 not jojoa1995 |
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kaeza |
lel |
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exio4 |
is the link I pasted that hard to understand? |
| 19:48 |
exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/0QSHA35 :( |
| 19:49 |
exio4 |
expr = a = b | expr |
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exio4 |
expr | ? expr $ expr $ expr ... |
| 19:49 |
exio4 |
<- is function calling, -> is function definition |
| 19:49 |
Krock |
I love msbuild bin\minetest.sln :) |
| 19:49 |
kaeza |
int foo(int bar, int baz) { return bar+baz; } /* is is that hard? :< */ |
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kaeza |
s/is is/is it/ |
| 19:50 |
rainbowdash__ |
hi im back |
| 19:50 |
Krock |
wb? |
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rainbowdash__ |
hi |
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| 19:53 |
redblade77 |
hi |
| 19:54 |
redblade77 |
i tried switching from the minetest in the ubuntu/mint repository (0.4.9) to the 0.4.10 repository and i get this error |
| 19:54 |
redblade77 |
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'SocketException' |
| 19:54 |
redblade77 |
what(): Failed to create socket |
| 19:54 |
redblade77 |
Aborted |
| 19:55 |
Krock |
ubuntu could be the problem #do_not_take_me_seriously |
| 19:55 |
redblade77 |
I noticed that a lot of stuff on the wiki was not available to 0.4.9 (TNT, etc) and wanted to try upgrading to 0.5.0 |
| 19:55 |
Krock |
0.5.0 doesn't exist |
| 19:56 |
redblade77 |
actually i got rid of all the minetest-related packages and auto-removable libraries |
| 19:56 |
redblade77 |
then installed the official 0.5.0 repository |
| 19:56 |
Krock |
wut? |
| 19:56 |
Krock |
there's no 0.5.0 version of minetest |
| 19:56 |
redblade77 |
http://minetest.net/download |
| 19:56 |
redblade77 |
https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable |
| 19:57 |
redblade77 |
0.4.10 sorry |
| 19:57 |
redblade77 |
lol |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
... |
| 19:57 |
redblade77 |
i know when i was playing multiplayer for a while (which i'm not doing anymore) almost all servers had the 0.4.10 |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
0.4.10 stable of in-developement? |
| 19:59 |
redblade77 |
should i try reinstalling the old minetest (so as to trigger the data and mod packages and library dependencies) and install 0.4.10 on top of it |
| 19:59 |
redblade77 |
? |
| 19:59 |
redblade77 |
well a lot of the stuff in the wiki is not available in 0.4.9 |
| 19:59 |
redblade77 |
(TNT, etc) |
| 19:59 |
redblade77 |
(obsidian glass doors) |
| 19:59 |
Krock |
that's not minetest core/versio releated |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
it's just an update in the (sub)game, in Lua. |
| 20:00 |
redblade77 |
ok |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
just to make that clear |
| 20:00 |
redblade77 |
so how do i get the stuff in the wiki not apparently available? |
| 20:01 |
* Krock |
calls sfan5 |
| 20:04 |
sruz25 |
the wiki really should be more "vocal" about "games" |
| 20:05 |
sruz25 |
some downloader within launcher would be better of course |
| 20:07 |
* Jordach |
summons the reddit self.text |
| 20:07 |
* Krock |
uploads an image |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/HOGWLVa.jpg |
| 20:07 |
Jordach |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/2gqcai/i_made_a_minetest_launcher/ |
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Jordach |
wooo |
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* Jordach |
kinda likes the quirky-ness of BI autonormals |
| 20:09 |
Krock |
Jordach, wow. so hard work for this laucher... a 30-minute job is what he did |
| 20:09 |
Jordach |
much work, such easy, wow |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
>Spotify Radio >80s >2011 remaster |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
i call bullshit |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
remastered is worse than original |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
star wars comes to mind |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
mhm are MT forums under DDoS attack? |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
ah it loads again |
| 20:12 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SWNKB-Q4nOYa.png ಠ_ಠ|
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Jordach |
i heard you like auto bumpmaps https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xQA5Yp0LvrfB.png |
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Krock |
looks 3d |
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PenguinDad |
Jordach: yes I like them |
| 20:24 |
JTE_ |
mmmmmm |
| 20:25 |
Krock |
yummy? |
| 20:25 |
JTE_ |
delicious bathroom floor tile effect over everything. owo |
| 20:26 |
Hobodium |
I was thinking stucco ceiling |
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bjrohan |
VanessaE: hi there, I install the HDX 512 normals, and after restarting my game, the image for my ladder is now gone. It appears the ladder is there as I can climnb on it, but I can't see it, any sugestions? |
| 20:29 |
Krock |
Sokomine, I'd like to answer to your mod but it's just - it's just a good mod. nothing more to say. congrats for this work :) |
| 20:29 |
bjrohan |
VanessaE: with the normals it loos VERY nice |
| 20:30 |
Jordach |
bjrohan, i've ran it before, at the cost of a near deadlocked system on her Dreambuilder servers |
| 20:31 |
Jordach |
(6.5GB RAM used x64 Win8, 15GB+ x64 Linux) |
| 20:31 |
bjrohan |
Jordach: I'm not understanding what you mean about deadlocked |
| 20:31 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/3bec5wiK1Tp7.png |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/r-ZACzyRYHJq.png |
| 20:33 |
Krock |
^ 3x more RAM than me |
| 20:33 |
Jordach |
at that point everything was either stopped responding or OOM'd |
| 20:34 |
Jordach |
(Swap is limited to 2048mb on my system) |
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* sfan5 |
meows at Jordach |
| 20:34 |
bjrohan |
IC |
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friti |
"[12:26:13] [[ kaeza ]] why does nobody like C? :<" Prolly the same reason why people don;t like B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language)) |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
tl;dr my APU can do far more than the shitty APUs seen on the XB1, PS4 |
| 20:35 |
bjrohan |
It appears that I can not break up my chest or furnace either, they keep re apepearing after I break them to move them |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
bjrohan, you need to empty them completly |
| 20:36 |
bjrohan |
Oh, :-) |
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Jordach |
stops people digging it and taking it, at least they have to work for it |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
hai der LemonLake |
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Jordach |
:2 |
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Jordach |
:3 :3 |
| 20:37 |
LemonLake |
Hello, Jordach |
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* Jordach |
starts rendering |
| 20:39 |
LemonLake |
What are you rendering? |
| 20:39 |
Jordach |
"Coffee" |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
read: not hot coffee from GTA: SA |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JYofkPs1LRST.png |
| 20:40 |
LemonLake |
Why would I get that idea? |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
because internetr |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
-r |
| 20:40 |
LemonLake |
That's pretty neat. |
| 20:41 |
Jordach |
in fact it's a near 1:1 clone of the room i'm sitting in, including the t-shirt |
| 20:42 |
sslb |
anyone here own rust and/or dayz? |
| 20:42 |
TBC_x |
rust? isn't that a programming language? |
| 20:43 |
sslb |
yes, but it is also a game |
| 20:49 |
TBC_x |
2GB is really little for x86_64 |
| 20:50 |
Sokomine |
krock: thanks. that happens to many mods. they're good, and we happily use them and seldom think about thanking their authors. but mine... i don't know yet if it's good. needs further testing. and some of the ideas are from other mods :-) |
| 20:50 |
TBC_x |
have to invoke OOM killer kinda often |
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redblade77 |
i am bleak_fire_ |
| 20:56 |
bleak_fire_ |
hi |
| 20:56 |
bleak_fire_ |
so i need this launcher, which only works in windows, in order to get the tnt, obsidian glass, etc? |
| 20:56 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 20:56 |
sfan5 |
you don't _need_ any launcher |
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bleak_fire_ |
so why don't i have those objects available? |
| 20:58 |
bleak_fire_ |
is it the fact that i'm in single-player mode? |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
which version did you download? |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 20:58 |
bleak_fire_ |
the one in the ubuntu/mint repository |
| 20:58 |
bleak_fire_ |
i tried using the minetest-devs but it didnt work (see above) |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
which ubuntu version? |
| 20:58 |
bleak_fire_ |
linuxmint kde 64-bit v17 |
| 20:59 |
bleak_fire_ |
it uses the ubuntu repositories and adds some stuff |
| 20:59 |
bleak_fire_ |
from its own repositories |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
which version of the ubuntu repos does it use? |
| 20:59 |
bleak_fire_ |
0.4.9 |
| 20:59 |
bleak_fire_ |
oh the ubuntu repos? |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
0.4.9 is not the latest release |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
<bleak_fire_> i tried using the minetest-devs but it didnt work (see above) |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
see where? |
| 21:00 |
Jordach |
bleak_fire_, https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds |
| 21:00 |
Jordach |
https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
| 21:00 |
bleak_fire_ |
trusty |
| 21:00 |
Jordach |
trusty is availible for your system |
| 21:01 |
bleak_fire_ |
i did that jordach and got the dependency problems (see above) |
| 21:01 |
sfan5 |
where above? |
| 21:01 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 21:01 |
sfan5 |
I see it |
| 21:01 |
Jordach |
execute: |
| 21:01 |
Jordach |
sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev |
| 21:01 |
Jordach |
and its non -dev variants |
| 21:02 |
Jordach |
(been a while since i installed a Linux based disty) |
| 21:02 |
sfan5 |
bleak_fire_: looks like this is your only option: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 |
| 21:03 |
bleak_fire_ |
will that prevent the release libraries from being in residual config? |
| 21:03 |
sfan5 |
release libraries? |
| 21:03 |
Jordach |
u wot m8 |
| 21:03 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: fite me 1v1 m8 |
| 21:03 |
Jordach |
i'll shrekt you |
| 21:03 |
Jordach |
quickscopes only |
| 21:04 |
bleak_fire_ |
i compiled the game from source when i used slackware some months ago |
| 21:04 |
bleak_fire_ |
everything worked then |
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bleak_fire_ |
sfan5: the non "-dev" |
| 21:04 |
sfan5 |
bleak_fire_: installing the -dev packages will not cause any problems |
| 21:05 |
bleak_fire_ |
no i just want to prevent the autoremove from deleting the dependencies of the removed 0.4.9 |
| 21:05 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 21:05 |
sfan5 |
I don't think it will remove the deps when you install -dev packages |
| 21:06 |
bleak_fire_ |
ok |
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Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/tSKeNBfKYrF1.png mmm, dat reflection |
| 21:09 |
TBC_x |
haha, don't spill your drink |
| 21:12 |
bleak_fire_ |
nope still get the socket error |
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bleak_fire_ |
i got rid of the autoremove though by adding the -dev packages |
| 21:14 |
bleak_fire_ |
if i run the script you sent me for minecraft-git, will it be compatible with the stuff in my .minetest folder from 0.4.9? |
| 21:15 |
bleak_fire_ |
i have a town and would hate to see it go away. but i can always do it again |
| 21:15 |
bleak_fire_ |
i remember doing the portable or something like it when i had slackware (because slackware isn't multilib compliant) |
| 21:17 |
Jordach |
bleak_fire_, yes |
| 21:18 |
bleak_fire_ |
ok here goes |
| 21:20 |
bleak_fire_ |
ok it loaded, all the mods are gone but i wasn't using any and can install them from the site |
| 21:22 |
bleak_fire_ |
i see checking "public server" doesn't crash the game anymore |
| 21:22 |
JTE_ |
giant fingers are creepy :< |
| 21:22 |
JTE_ |
salad fingers, even |
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twoelk |
Jordach: cool pic, maybe blurring the background a little as in out of focus, might add a little more sense of depth |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cR1yNO1LVZZ8.png |
| 21:35 |
kaeza |
<JTE_> giant fingers are creepy :< --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mano_de_Punta_del_Este |
| 21:37 |
JTE_ |
aaaaa ;~; |
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| 21:39 |
nupacloud |
Hi, I have a technical question |
| 21:39 |
nupacloud |
I can't figure out how to install Carbone on linux |
| 21:39 |
nupacloud |
I went to ~/.minetext and there's no folder for it |
| 21:39 |
nupacloud |
er |
| 21:39 |
nupacloud |
~/.minetest even |
| 21:40 |
nupacloud |
I only have /cache, /client, and /worlds. |
| 21:40 |
TBC_x |
do mkdir ~/.minetest/games |
| 21:40 |
nupacloud |
oh, do you just have to put it there manually |
| 21:40 |
TBC_x |
if carbone is a game |
| 21:40 |
TBC_x |
yes |
| 21:40 |
nupacloud |
because on windows I think it auto-generated |
| 21:40 |
nupacloud |
I wasn't sure if the folder was somewhere else |
| 21:40 |
nupacloud |
okay |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
under Windows, the package already contains sub-games, so it already has a "games" folder |
| 21:41 |
nupacloud |
why doesn't the linux version? |
| 21:41 |
kaeza |
under Linux, there are usually "engine" and "game" packages |
| 21:42 |
nupacloud |
also, it looks like the linux version only has icons to switch games, but on windows I got a nice drop-down menu |
| 21:42 |
TBC_x |
the linux version installs bundled games in /usr/share/minetest/games |
| 21:42 |
nupacloud |
I must say I didn't expect any significant differences in the UI |
| 21:42 |
nupacloud |
but okay |
| 21:43 |
kaeza |
also, Windows version is not really "multiuser" (i.e. it saves everything in its folder, instead of the per-user `AppData`) |
| 21:43 |
TBC_x |
but you don't want to add in /usr/share anything |
| 21:43 |
nupacloud |
I sort of like the game existing in its own little directory |
| 21:43 |
nupacloud |
but okay |
| 21:44 |
kaeza |
so if you compile yourself, you can make a "portable" (or "run in place") build. it is self-contained, and deleting the directory removes everything |
| 21:44 |
kaeza |
-so |
| 21:44 |
nupacloud |
ah, okay |
| 21:45 |
nupacloud |
but there's no package for that because packages are designed more for installing system software? |
| 21:45 |
kaeza |
yep, but it's easy to compile yourself |
| 21:45 |
nupacloud |
oh, also, my friend who has the windows version says he found api docs bundled with it |
| 21:45 |
nupacloud |
that sounds useful |
| 21:45 |
nupacloud |
where can I find those? |
| 21:46 |
kaeza |
github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 21:46 |
kaeza |
under doc/lua_api.txt |
| 21:46 |
nupacloud |
no I mean, where do they install to by default? |
| 21:46 |
nupacloud |
are they also in the /usr/ space? |
| 21:46 |
kaeza |
I'd guess /usr/share somewhere, but not sure |
| 21:47 |
nupacloud |
odd |
| 21:47 |
nupacloud |
there is no /usr/share/minetest |
| 21:48 |
nupacloud |
where are the bundled games being stored? |
| 21:48 |
kaeza |
does `locate minetest_game` give something? |
| 21:49 |
nupacloud |
ah |
| 21:49 |
nupacloud |
it does, thank you |
| 21:49 |
nupacloud |
\/usr/share/games/minetest |
| 21:49 |
TBC_x |
you can copy the contents of games folder over |
| 21:49 |
kaeza |
np :) |
| 21:50 |
TBC_x |
where does it search for mods first? |
| 21:50 |
TBC_x |
is it ~/.minetest or somewhere else? |
| 21:51 |
nupacloud |
I created ~/.minetest/games manually and put carbone there |
| 21:51 |
nupacloud |
and it registered in the launcher |
| 21:51 |
nupacloud |
so I guess that's fine |
| 21:51 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: it's not a launcher. |
| 21:51 |
VanessaE |
just fyi. |
| 21:51 |
kaeza |
it's a feature! |
| 21:51 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: Minetest is an engine, so when you see something mentioning a game it's really a cohesive pack of mods and content written in Lua. The engine is already running before you even select a game/world :-) |
| 21:53 |
TBC_x |
it needs more clear terminology for users tho |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: we call then "subgames" normally. |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
to differentiate them from a "game" you would normally download and run alone |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
I added a line to the wiki saying that you have to create the directory yourself |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: good idea |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
because knowing that would have solved this whole problem for me |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
nice captcha btw |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: that captcha should DIE. :P |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
although the first time I failed it because there was a pic that could have been either a cat or a particularly badly photographed ferret |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
I like cats, but I HATE that captcha :P |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
some of these photos are not clear enough |
| 21:54 |
nupacloud |
yeah |
| 21:55 |
Hobodium |
Wait, what uses the catcha now? |
| 21:55 |
TBC_x |
sometimes i get need to make a bot to solve captchas for me so i don't have to bother... but then i get too lazy before i do something |
| 21:55 |
Hobodium |
I want to see this |
| 21:55 |
LemonLake |
TBC_x: the whole point of captchas is to prevent bots... |
| 21:55 |
nupacloud |
the captcha for editing pages on the wiki without making an account |
| 21:56 |
nupacloud |
says "identify the cats in these photos" |
| 21:56 |
nupacloud |
also TBC_x if you can make a bot that solves this captcha then they'll HAVE to get rid of it |
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| 21:57 |
SoniEx2 |
so |
| 21:57 |
SoniEx2 |
M$ vs Minetest? |
| 21:57 |
TBC_x |
Minetest won't sell you out |
| 21:57 |
kaeza |
not this again |
| 21:57 |
nupacloud |
hey can I change my password on a server |
| 21:57 |
SoniEx2 |
M$ owns MC trademark |
| 21:57 |
TBC_x |
SoniEx2: so? |
| 21:57 |
nupacloud |
SoniEx2: 17:58:06 <kaeza> not this again |
| 21:58 |
nupacloud |
SoniEx2: this is an indication that we have already argued about this at length and do not wish to do so again |
| 21:58 |
SoniEx2 |
oh ok |
| 21:58 |
SoniEx2 |
logs? |
| 21:58 |
nupacloud |
I dunno I wasn't here |
| 21:58 |
kaeza |
/topic |
| 21:58 |
nupacloud |
oh hey there's a logs link |
| 21:58 |
nupacloud |
nifty |
| 21:59 |
nupacloud |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-09-10#i_3906270 |
| 21:59 |
nupacloud |
that's probably the one you want |
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| 22:03 |
kaeza |
SoniEx2, also, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10103 | https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10098 | https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10118 |
| 22:12 |
* Megaf |
likes this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFf85n-Im8Q |
| 22:13 |
nupacloud |
So, I'm getting an error on linux that I definitely didn't on windows |
| 22:13 |
nupacloud |
and that error is that carbone won't load |
| 22:14 |
TBC_x |
maybe missing dependencies |
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nupacloud |
ModError: Failed to load and run /home/nicholas/.minetest/games/calinou-carbone/mods/xban/init.lua |
| 22:14 |
Hobodium |
it's the - |
| 22:14 |
TBC_x |
use pastebin |
| 22:14 |
TBC_x |
for more lines |
| 22:14 |
nupacloud |
pastebin what |
| 22:14 |
nupacloud |
where would the error be logged to |
| 22:14 |
Hobodium |
You should rename the folder, the error should mention only using a-z A-Z and a couple other characters |
| 22:15 |
SoniEx2 |
ok so don't worry about minetest |
| 22:15 |
SoniEx2 |
got it |
| 22:15 |
SoniEx2 |
cya then |
| 22:15 |
SoniEx2 |
be safe |
| 22:15 |
SoniEx2 |
o/ |
| 22:16 |
kaeza |
Hobodium, subgame dirs don't need to be renamed |
| 22:17 |
kaeza |
nupacloud, there should be a file named `debug.txt` in ~/.minetest, ~/, or the current directory |
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| 22:17 |
nupacloud |
found it |
| 22:17 |
nupacloud |
renaming the subdir didn't help btw |
| 22:17 |
kaeza |
there should be some lines at the end like "ERROR: ..." |
| 22:18 |
TBC_x |
has anyone experience with javascript? |
| 22:18 |
nupacloud |
http://pastebin.com/8M01eRfX |
| 22:19 |
Hobodium |
Ah, sorry about that then. I thought I'd try to help since there was a lot of questions with the same problem I had when I first came in. |
| 22:19 |
kaeza |
>18:17:54: ERROR[main]: /home/nicholas/.minetest/games/carbone/mods/xban/conf.lua:10: attempt to call global 'Settings' (a nil value) |
| 22:19 |
kaeza |
which minetest version are you using again? |
| 22:19 |
nupacloud |
the linux one |
| 22:19 |
kaeza |
(engine) |
| 22:19 |
nupacloud |
1.4.7 I think |
| 22:19 |
nupacloud |
is this code that would only work in 1.4.6? |
| 22:19 |
kaeza |
>.7 ;_; |
| 22:19 |
nupacloud |
it worked in windows |
| 22:20 |
nupacloud |
anyway I'm just gonna try removing this mod for now and see what happens |
| 22:20 |
nupacloud |
I don't anticipate having to ban anyone tonight |
| 22:21 |
kaeza |
no no no, get the latest (0.4.10-dev). see here for details: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=898 |
| 22:21 |
kaeza |
(or just remove `xban`) |
| 22:22 |
nupacloud |
sonofa... |
| 22:22 |
kaeza |
I think this link is better: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages |
| 22:22 |
nupacloud |
it's complaining the same way about every mod in the folder it seems |
| 22:22 |
nupacloud |
one at a time |
| 22:22 |
nupacloud |
but yeah I'll try getting the latest one |
| 22:22 |
nupacloud |
silly me working on stable versions of any open source project ever :) |
| 22:22 |
kaeza |
yes, 0.4.7 is like 2 years old |
| 22:23 |
kaeza |
>_> |
| 22:23 |
nupacloud |
it's been two years and you haven't pushed a new stable release? |
| 22:23 |
nupacloud |
where do you even go to do that |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
hey! at least they updated from 0.3.1 after all! |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
+the time |
| 22:25 |
* blaise |
attacks PilzAdam with massive rubber chickens |
| 22:27 |
blaise |
there's nothing wrong with minetest-0.4.10.0 |
| 22:27 |
blaise |
well, I mean |
| 22:27 |
blaise |
I use xban and have no problems |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: we can't control what versions are on the official Ubuntu repos, only what's on the PPA |
| 22:28 |
nupacloud |
I'm on Linux Mint, and I don't know which ubuntu version matches me |
| 22:28 |
nupacloud |
I think I'll just try to build from source |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
same diff. it's all debian at the root of it |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
building from sources is easy |
| 22:29 |
TBC_x |
you need to install all the -dev packages tho |
| 22:29 |
blaise |
so, f***miner is supposedly with much less lag than vanilla minetest.. eh? |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: that one-liner you were pointed to on the forum earlier is the best way |
| 22:30 |
TBC_x |
network lag? |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
wait, that was bleak_fire who was pointed. |
| 22:30 |
blaise |
TBC_x: no. |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 <--- this |
| 22:30 |
TBC_x |
fps? |
| 22:30 |
blaise |
no. |
| 22:30 |
TBC_x |
then what lag? |
| 22:30 |
blaise |
server latency |
| 22:30 |
TBC_x |
that's network lag |
| 22:30 |
blaise |
as in minetest core |
| 22:30 |
blaise |
no, it's not |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
map generator lag? |
| 22:31 |
blaise |
the time in which it takes a peice of software to execute instruction is not network latency. |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
oh wait.. |
| 22:31 |
TBC_x |
oh that thing |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
you're talking about that other sandbox game.. proller's game :P |
| 22:32 |
blaise |
yeah, all high and mighty clames of being able to host 100+ users on 8088's with 640k ram |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
yeah, he claims to have ways in there of managing lag caused by slow mods |
| 22:32 |
blaise |
with no lag |
| 22:32 |
blaise |
so I'm going to check it out and see |
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| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
speak of the devil |
| 22:33 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 22:33 |
TBC_x |
damn... can't get my javascript thing working because it claims that function is not a function |
| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
I swear, he watches the logs |
| 22:33 |
* blaise |
prods proller with a frozen foot long hotdog |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: well what is it then, a class? ;) |
| 22:34 |
nupacloud |
there's like two dozen packages listed here |
| 22:34 |
nupacloud |
do I want minetest or minetest-c55? |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: forget everything you've read. |
| 22:34 |
TBC_x |
typedef says it is undefined |
| 22:34 |
TBC_x |
but i defined it! |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: forget all of the above and just do this instead: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 |
| 22:35 |
blaise |
minetest |
| 22:35 |
blaise |
minetest-c55 is the OLD name |
| 22:35 |
* blaise |
shrugs |
| 22:36 |
TBC_x |
I'm attempting to modify the thing at https://tomcc.github.io/2014/08/31/visibility-2.html so it doesn't look behind corners |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
except Calinou's "one" liner doesn't build with cURL, so the server list wouldn't work then |
| 22:36 |
TBC_x |
will land it in mt eventually |
| 22:36 |
TBC_x |
i hope it's not a waste of time |
| 22:36 |
blaise |
damn build scripts are dirty as hell |
| 22:37 |
TBC_x |
that's nothing |
| 22:37 |
blaise |
gcc-4.9.2 is complaining like crazy |
| 22:37 |
TBC_x |
had to build a SDL with freetype and libagar for a decade old kernel & glibc |
| 22:38 |
nupacloud |
we'll see how this goes |
| 22:38 |
blaise |
TBC_x: why didn't you just compile a modern kernel? |
| 22:38 |
nupacloud |
when I was trying to build earlier I got complaints about my sound libraries |
| 22:38 |
proller |
blaise, wat? |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: it's an interesting algorithm |
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* blaise |
buries proller in a metric ton of rubber chickens |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
TBC_x: and his mouse tracking is irritating as fuck too :P |
| 22:38 |
TBC_x |
blaise: well... i don't know what a moder kernel would do to that PXA |
| 22:39 |
blaise |
PXA ? |
| 22:39 |
TBC_x |
an ARM board |
| 22:39 |
blaise |
ah |
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TBC_x |
i think it is ARMv5 |
| 22:40 |
TBC_x |
VanessaE: I messed up my algorithm so i'm turning it into an animation to take a closer look |
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blaise |
I got linux-3.3.8 running on a MIPS 24Kc V7.4 |
| 22:40 |
blaise |
:D |
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TBC_x |
would be good for educational purpose too |
| 22:41 |
TBC_x |
hm... i think there is a 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 22:41 |
blaise |
I would love to get my hands on a RiSC Whetstone machine |
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TBC_x |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCST-4R |
| 22:43 |
TBC_x |
I think the CPU has also type checking |
| 22:45 |
TBC_x |
or it was this one? http://itresident.com/hardware/us-is-no-longer-cpu-empire-elbrus-4c/ |
| 22:46 |
blaise |
remember those pci daughterboards for 586 and older |
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blaise |
where you could add as many cpu's as you had expansion slots? |
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TBC_x |
50 GFLOPS at 800 MHz |
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TBC_x |
and 45 w TPD |
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blaise |
BogoMIPS: 452.19 |
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blaise |
7 watts at full load |
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blaise |
15 mA |
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blaise |
:D |
| 22:50 |
blaise |
22:50:45 up 100 days, 23:01, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 |
| 22:51 |
nupacloud |
I dunno what I fucked up, but |
| 22:51 |
nupacloud |
"You can run Minetest again by double-clicking "minetest" in the "bin" folder of the "minetest" folder in your home folder." |
| 22:51 |
nupacloud |
there is no such thing |
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nupacloud |
it ran Minetest once but I can't find it to run it again |
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blaise |
lol |
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blaise |
try "locate minetest" in the console |
| 22:52 |
blaise |
or a terminal |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
which one of the two did you use, nupacloud ? |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
the portable or the non? |
| 22:52 |
blaise |
if it finds nothing then updatedb && locate minetest |
| 22:52 |
nupacloud |
the non |
| 22:52 |
blaise |
I'm guessing he is running in place |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: /usr/local/bin/minetest |
| 22:53 |
blaise |
since it's not in the path |
| 22:53 |
nupacloud |
also, it looks like it tried to use something in the trash folder |
| 22:53 |
nupacloud |
so I'm emptying my trash |
| 22:53 |
nupacloud |
and trying again |
| 22:53 |
blaise |
you have a, trash folder? |
| 22:53 |
nupacloud |
WARNING: system-wide share found at "/home/nicholas/.local/share/Trash/files/minetest/minetest/bin/.." |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
ignore that. |
| 22:53 |
blaise |
lol |
| 22:53 |
TBC_x |
is that minetest you compiled? |
| 22:54 |
blaise |
chmod u-r /home/nicholas/.local/share/Trash/files/minetest/minetest/bin/.. |
| 22:54 |
nupacloud |
when I installed this the first time it located some stuff from a different folder when I was compiling manually |
| 22:54 |
blaise |
lmao |
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VanessaE |
damn it Calinou...fix your instructions :P |
| 22:54 |
nupacloud |
this one-liner seems to be pretty generous with its auto-detect |
| 22:54 |
TBC_x |
you cd into the directory you built mt in |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: minetest should be, /usr/local/bin/minetest |
| 22:54 |
TBC_x |
then run bin/minetest |
| 22:55 |
blaise |
VanessaE: that should be included in the path |
| 22:55 |
TBC_x |
or that |
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shadowzone |
VanessaE, does the plantlife mod include plant_lib? |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
blaise: yeah, it should be, but he wasn't looking in the path. |
| 22:55 |
TBC_x |
if you 'make install'ed it |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
shadowzone: it does. |
| 22:55 |
nupacloud |
it was definitely running out of the trash |
| 22:55 |
shadowzone |
Okay. |
| 22:55 |
nupacloud |
I just emptied my trash and re-ran the one-liner and now it's re-installing |
| 22:55 |
nupacloud |
so yeah |
| 22:55 |
nupacloud |
if you previously tried to build minetest yourself and then deleted it |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: the one-liner runs from wherever your current working directory is. |
| 22:55 |
nupacloud |
empty your trash before you run this script |
| 22:56 |
nupacloud |
this was the global one |
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blaise |
unbelievable |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: ignore that "system wide share" thing. you were probably cd'd into your trash folder last just before running this script. |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
that's why it started out in there |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
it creates its work directories wherever the shell says is "current" |
| 22:59 |
VanessaE |
I'll make a point to tell Calinou later that this one-liner should make a proper work directory and cd to that before it starts building. |
| 22:59 |
TriBlade9 |
Did'ja get any sleep this time VanessaE? |
| 22:59 |
VanessaE |
TriBlade9: yep, a bit |
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VanessaE |
not enough though :-/ |
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TriBlade9 |
:/ |
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TBC_x |
now i just froze firefox with that script :P |
| 23:01 |
blaise |
proller: your phork sure does segfault a lot.. |
| 23:02 |
nupacloud |
ah, yes, you're right |
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nupacloud |
somehow I was working from trash |
| 23:02 |
nupacloud |
that's not good |
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proller |
blaise, fresh master ? |
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VanessaE |
nupacloud: it happens. |
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nupacloud |
so |
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nupacloud |
where SHOULD I run this script from |
| 23:03 |
nupacloud |
just anywhere in my home folder? |
| 23:03 |
VanessaE |
nupacloud: it doesn't actually matter, but $HOME is as good as anywhere else |
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VanessaE |
especially if you want to keep the sources for later |
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VanessaE |
(e.g. when you want to update the engine or game) |
| 23:04 |
TBC_x |
mkdir ~/minetest-build; cd ~/minetest-build |
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TBC_x |
and you're good |
| 23:05 |
VanessaE |
exactly |
| 23:05 |
TBC_x |
don't pollute your ~ |
| 23:07 |
TriBlade9 |
I'd say to make a minetest directory, then clone to folders inside of it, so you can hvae multiple versions and forks for testing and developing |
| 23:07 |
VanessaE |
that's how I do it. |
| 23:07 |
VanessaE |
~/Minetest-related/minetest_core |
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VanessaE |
~/Minetest-related/games/minetest_game |
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VanessaE |
etc |
| 23:08 |
VanessaE |
and then they get copied to where the system wants them to be to actually run |
| 23:08 |
TriBlade9 |
Eg, ~/Minetest/TriBlade9-Dev, ~/Minetest/RealBadAngel-Dev |
| 23:08 |
TriBlade9 |
Or that x] |
| 23:09 |
TriBlade9 |
Just symlink the games and mods directory |
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* friti |
has a feeling that my script could be helpful here: http://pastebin.com/3DJ2dTU4 |
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TriBlade9 |
Ooooh, nice friti :D |
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friti |
I am even using it to just start MT, even though i know that i shouldn;t do that, in case MT broke in git :-) |
| 23:12 |
blaise |
lol |
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TriBlade9 |
O-o |
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TBC_x |
I made a script that would install bukkit server under its own user and group + setting up perms so you could modify its configs and add plugins |
| 23:13 |
TBC_x |
could be modified for MT too |
| 23:13 |
TBC_x |
but idk where i put it |
| 23:14 |
TBC_x |
well... it's 1am in here |
| 23:14 |
TBC_x |
night |
| 23:14 |
friti |
I feel that i should make the script a tad more verbose around the two pulls, so that it will be clear *which* repo is being pulled. |
| 23:14 |
TriBlade9 |
Night! |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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blaise |
VanessaE: when I go to pull latest minetest dev from git, |
| 23:20 |
blaise |
:G |
| 23:20 |
blaise |
oh well |
| 23:20 |
TriBlade9 |
Cyas VanessaE |
| 23:20 |
blaise |
TriBlade9: do you know what url to pull from for latest dev release of minetest? |
| 23:20 |
TriBlade9 |
Yes |
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TriBlade9 |
Do you want it or do you just want to know if I know? x] |
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friti |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest Minetest |
| 23:20 |
blaise |
is it just https://github.com/minetest/minetest ? |
| 23:21 |
TriBlade9 |
http://github.com/minetest/minetest |
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blaise |
so that's not just going to pull latest stable from master? |
| 23:21 |
TriBlade9 |
Yep |
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TriBlade9 |
That pulls the latest dev |
| 23:21 |
blaise |
dev or stable? |
| 23:22 |
blaise |
I guess I'll find out |
| 23:22 |
blaise |
lmao |
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friti |
If you already have a local clone, simply use git pull. |
| 23:22 |
blaise |
I don't.. I have minetest-0.4.10.0 |
| 23:22 |
blaise |
it was pulled via portage |
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Cylus |
blaise: It's the latest dev. |
| 23:23 |
Cylus |
I actually don't know how to pull the latest stable .... I end up grabbing it through the Web interface. |
| 23:24 |
nupacloud |
Just make sure you don't end up with 0.4.7 like I did |
| 23:24 |
nupacloud |
that caused some problems |
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blaise |
lol |
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TriBlade9 |
Uggh |
| 23:25 |
TriBlade9 |
My fork is now even more messed up |
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friti |
I just use git. Then to clone i use "git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest Minetest". This will clone the master branch, which is constantly updated. To update the branch, just execute "git pull" from the Minetest folder that the sources were cloned into |
| 23:26 |
TriBlade9 |
Right, but I'm on a fork |
| 23:26 |
TriBlade9 |
And trying to rebase it onto master is a pain in the arse |
| 23:26 |
friti |
TriBlade9: i meant that for blaise |
| 23:26 |
TriBlade9 |
o |
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friti |
Should i refer to https://github.com/minetest/minetest as the minetest engine? |
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nupacloud |
okay, now that I've actually got stuff running |
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nupacloud |
question about usage |
| 23:33 |
nupacloud |
how can I change the user profile that gets loaded in singleplayer? |
| 23:34 |
nupacloud |
I'd like to be able to keep my stuff from ssp if I load a world as a server |
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TriBlade9 |
IDK if that is easily possible nupacloud |
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friti |
New version of my script, feels a little more polished to me. http://pastebin.com/D0d6hJU2 |
| 23:43 |
blaise |
ssp ? |
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TriBlade9 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1664 - Firelike, take two |
