| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:11 |
|
Hirato joined #minetest |
| 00:28 |
Megaf_ |
Hi all, unifiend inventroy is crashing my server eventually |
| 00:28 |
Megaf_ |
http://paste.debian.net/104730/ |
| 00:32 |
|
kizeren joined #minetest |
| 00:42 |
kaeza |
Megaf_, -> #minetest-technic |
| 00:46 |
|
MC42 joined #minetest |
| 00:47 |
MC42 |
What entities can I summon? |
| 00:55 |
|
roboman2444 joined #minetest |
| 01:37 |
|
kizeren joined #minetest |
| 01:43 |
|
ungali joined #minetest |
| 01:46 |
|
kizeren2 joined #minetest |
| 01:48 |
|
Enke joined #minetest |
| 01:51 |
Megaf_ |
I'm a bad castle designer, meh |
| 02:39 |
|
NakedFury joined #minetest |
| 02:39 |
|
kaeza joined #minetest |
| 02:40 |
|
Piggybear87 joined #minetest |
| 02:41 |
Piggybear87 |
OldCoder!!! The server crashed and I have stuff that have been in my bones for an hour. |
| 02:42 |
Piggybear87 |
I have almost 1,000,000CR worth of stuff in there and it's probably all lost now... |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Hi!! |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Not necessarily! |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Hang on |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
Minetest did not crash |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
It may still be running. This is a network problem. It is the reason my hardware is moving. |
| 02:43 |
Piggybear87 |
I was on for an hour+ and I randomly timed out. |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
Which is this weekend BTW. Things may be down a day or two and then faster and more stable. |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
See above |
| 02:44 |
OldCoder |
Texting my host |
| 02:45 |
Piggybear87 |
Yeah, I'm about -5000 I was about to click on my bones and boom....out! |
| 02:46 |
OldCoder |
Might be O.K. |
| 02:46 |
OldCoder |
It *will* be down for a few hours in the coming days |
| 02:46 |
OldCoder |
That I may back up the entire system; not just Minetest |
| 02:47 |
Piggybear87 |
I know. If I can get my stuff I'm OK. Lol. |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
Host usually gets back to me within an hour. If he's fallen asleep it could be all night. We'll see. |
| 02:48 |
Piggybear87 |
An hour may be too long... I hope I get my stuff back. |
| 02:49 |
Megaf_ |
OldCoder; Why don't you disable bones? |
| 02:50 |
Piggybear87 |
I for one like bones, as long as I can get it back, that is. |
| 02:50 |
Megaf_ |
well, on Megaf Server you keep your inventory with you when you die |
| 02:51 |
Piggybear87 |
It adds a challenge to the game. The only thing that makes bones non enjoyable is network problems. |
| 02:54 |
Piggybear87 |
What happened to the auto restart script? |
| 02:55 |
Piggybear87 |
Right, right, network, not Minetest. |
| 02:57 |
|
thursday joined #minetest |
| 02:59 |
thursday |
more people here than I expected |
| 03:00 |
Piggybear87 |
Only 98. I've seen over 150. |
| 03:04 |
Piggybear87 |
!up minetest.org 30011 |
| 03:04 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30011 seems to be down |
| 03:04 |
Piggybear87 |
I've lost my stuff... |
| 03:06 |
OldCoder |
Megaf_, the players can decide. |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, see above. I explained this. |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
It isn't a Minetest crash or problem |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
It is a network problem and I'm moving my data center because of it. |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
The move comes in a few days. Finally, I'm told, several months late. |
| 03:07 |
Piggybear87 |
I know... But I worked so damn hard for that stuff... |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, let's wait and see |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Is there some sort of fixup I should do to help? |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Pull your stuff out of data files or something? |
| 03:08 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
I can't phone my host directly tonight. It's too late in his time zone. |
| 03:08 |
Piggybear87 |
I don't know. I've never had this problem, not for this long at least. |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
I explained the duration |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
The network is down |
| 03:09 |
Piggybear87 |
I know. I'm not an idiot. |
| 03:09 |
* OldCoder |
sighs |
| 03:09 |
Piggybear87 |
I'm sorry if that sounded rude. |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, it is time for you to understand something |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
Please listen quite clearly. And I'll state this publicly for the benefit of others. |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
I'm different. We're all different. But I'm quite literal. I write poems about kitties and cows but I *am* different... |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
I listen to what people say |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
I respond to it |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
To what they say exactly |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
Then they are pissed because I did so |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
I am rather tired of it after five decades |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
If you make statements that are contradictory |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
Or are consistent |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
I am going to try to sort them out |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
In this event, you said something |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
which indicated you did *not* understand the nature of the outage |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
This is a fact |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
If you *did* understand the nature of the outage |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
I still needed to respond to what you said |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
As I do not read minds |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
I have spent days trying to help *you* in particular |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
You personally |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
When I should have been looking for a job |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
It is kindly requested |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
That you ease up |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
Thank-You |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:15 |
thursday |
eeek |
| 03:18 |
* OldCoder |
laughs out loud |
| 03:18 |
Piggybear87 |
I understand this, OldCoder. I didn't mean to make you mad, offend you, or annoy you in any way. I really didn't mean for that to come out rude in any way. I know you've help me a lot, and I appreciate that, I truly do. I just tried to answer your question. You asked if I know how to fix this, and I said no because I've never had this happen, for this long. I understand that this is network, not your machine or Minetest. I am truly sorry if I did |
| 03:18 |
Piggybear87 |
offended you though. You are a nice and helpful guy, and I would hate to make you mad. |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
I think we should cease in public |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
It was simply a straw on the camel's back. I did spend about 2 weeks getting a cross-build framework to work, you know. |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Put the matter aside |
| 03:19 |
Vazon |
OldCoder is the servers down? |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
See the, um, remarks above |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:19 |
Vazon |
are the* |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Not the Minetest part; the network |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
It's the reason for the data-center move |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
Which is now scheduled for this weekend or thereabouts after several months delay |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
I've texted and emailed my host |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
I can't phone him because he's probably just gone to bed |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
I'm quite pleased at how the worlds have been going |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
The decision to switch to _games as opposed to global mods helped |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:21 |
Piggybear87 |
LevelDB helps also. |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
I had that last year |
| 03:22 |
Vazon |
yes, i just wish mine and landrush time outs would be fixed, marks server doesnt have people timing out like landrush and mine |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
Now I think curl is debugged |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
Vazon, well, suggestions are welcome. The preloaded client should help. |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
Or do you mean |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
timeouts during the game? If so, what is the cause? |
| 03:22 |
Piggybear87 |
On LandRush just got swapped to LevelDB you said. |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 03:23 |
Vazon |
well people cant get in landrush and mine, but marks is jsut fine idk why since they are all run the same |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
His world is quite small |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
Compared to the big two |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
Correct? |
| 03:23 |
Vazon |
true |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
Try again; you need to see... |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
if there is a general pattern |
| 03:23 |
OldCoder |
And if there is, ought to compare to similar worlds |
| 03:24 |
OldCoder |
Talk to the devs about this |
| 03:24 |
OldCoder |
Be polite; how would they know what it is? Need to gather information |
| 03:24 |
OldCoder |
It is worth the effort. This remains a really promising project. |
| 03:24 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:25 |
Vazon |
im thinking a mod that me and landrush both use that marks does not and maby 0.4.9 dev doesnt support that mod or something. |
| 03:25 |
Piggybear87 |
If it helps, this is what my Terminal said when it shut down/lost connection. |
| 03:25 |
OldCoder |
For my part, look... I've debugged curl setup, made a fast cross-browser, built a huge preload cache, installed luajit, and I run an octocore with piles of RAM... what more can I do? |
| 03:25 |
Piggybear87 |
23:24:26: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(13/0)RunTimeouts(): Peer 1 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter) |
| 03:26 |
Vazon |
Piggy that just means your no longer in the server |
| 03:26 |
OldCoder |
I'll be happy to install debug code |
| 03:26 |
OldCoder |
either in mods or in the core |
| 03:26 |
OldCoder |
Go speak politely to the devs when they are available |
| 03:26 |
OldCoder |
Ask for suggestions about what to look for |
| 03:26 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:26 |
Piggybear87 |
And I noticed that every time I lag out and my whole machine locks up I get that same message. |
| 03:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes but I believe it's indicative of a symptom |
| 03:27 |
OldCoder |
Not diagnostic of the problem |
| 03:28 |
OldCoder |
Back in 5 |
| 03:28 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:33 |
|
Firebat|Off joined #minetest |
| 03:33 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 03:33 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 03:38 |
OldCoder |
Bach |
| 03:38 |
OldCoder |
was a favorite composer |
| 03:45 |
Piggybear87 |
!up minetest.org 30011 |
| 03:46 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30011 seems to be down |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, I am truly regretful |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
But it is now close to midnight in my host's time zone. He is probably asleep. |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
It will probably at least seven hours. |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
* be at least |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:49 |
Piggybear87 |
It's OK. What's weird is in Terminal, when I ping minetest.org I average 150, but when I add port 30011 I get nothing. |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
Amaz, Fishy Wet asked me to update Lord of the Test. I will do so when the server is back. |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, not weird. I will explain. |
| 03:49 |
Piggybear87 |
He must live in my timezone then. |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
He is Eastern |
| 03:49 |
Piggybear87 |
As am I. |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, you are pinging a gateway |
| 03:50 |
OldCoder |
The machine itself is behind firewall hardware etc. |
| 03:50 |
OldCoder |
The network behind the gateway is down |
| 03:50 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:50 |
OldCoder |
This has been an issue for months. It is one of the reasons for the move; as I have said. Plus the new setup is said to be larger and will allow for expansion. |
| 03:51 |
Piggybear87 |
So, is this place like a server farm with racks and racks of machines? |
| 03:53 |
* Piggybear87 |
knows if he owned a place like ^, he would have a clusterfuk of Server of all different themes. :) |
| 03:53 |
Piggybear87 |
servers* |
| 03:55 |
Piggybear87 |
Like, is it a place like this? http://www.itrw.net/blog/server_spaghetti_4.jpg |
| 03:57 |
Piggybear87 |
Because that's what Piggybear87 thinks when he hears/reads data center. Lol. |
| 04:00 |
Piggybear87 |
Did everyone poof into thin air? |
| 04:00 |
Vazon |
i started a test server just to see if can figure out if its mods or something else |
| 04:09 |
Piggybear87 |
Vazon, Well, this problem is network, not his machine, or Minetest. |
| 04:09 |
Vazon |
yes i know, atm im seeing about timeouts |
| 04:10 |
Piggybear87 |
Oh. |
| 04:10 |
Piggybear87 |
Timeouts are usually network related. |
| 04:11 |
|
kizeren joined #minetest |
| 04:23 |
Vazon |
Piggy no this time its mod related, people are still timing out on my server hosted by me and that s not the case in oldcoders term because marks server is just fine. people dont time out on there |
| 04:27 |
Vazon |
Piggybear87 you still there |
| 04:27 |
Piggybear87 |
Yes sir. Whatcha need? |
| 04:28 |
Vazon |
try to connect to my test server |
| 04:29 |
Piggybear87 |
OK, but I will be slow. I have the baby in my arm so I only have one left. Lol. IP/Port? |
| 04:30 |
Vazon |
its onthe list |
| 04:30 |
Piggybear87 |
OK. |
| 04:30 |
Vazon |
Minerealms test server |
| 04:31 |
kaeza |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=144828#p144828 <-- just wat |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
ehm |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
and thus the "default" name once again shows that it was bad idea :) |
| 04:37 |
kaeza |
"I'm too lazy to change a single line in a mod to make it fit with the rest of my game, so I'll just randomly spew two whole walls of text with crappy arguments just for the sake of it" |
| 04:39 |
|
Firebat|Off joined #minetest |
| 04:39 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 04:39 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 04:41 |
* kaeza |
is a bit pissed off today; apologies |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
why pissed off? |
| 05:07 |
* VanessaE |
is pissed off at the master server list. |
| 05:07 |
VanessaE |
why are we still sorting by number of users instead of something more fair?!? |
| 05:09 |
Vazon |
Piggybear87 why do you like that so much? |
| 05:10 |
Piggybear87 |
I don't know. Probably because I've never seen it. |
| 05:10 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 05:10 |
Vazon |
lol you can do it on my main server when ever its up |
| 05:11 |
Piggybear87 |
I don't think I will. It's lagging bad on my end. |
| 05:11 |
Vazon |
thats the server( this server isnt ment to do this) lol |
| 05:11 |
Piggybear87 |
Oh. Lol. |
| 05:12 |
Vazon |
once the water stops flowing the lag should stop as well |
| 05:12 |
Piggybear87 |
Yeah, it was good until we started it. |
| 05:13 |
Vazon |
yea this server can handle 35-50 people |
| 05:13 |
Vazon |
just cant handle this xD |
| 05:15 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol. |
| 05:17 |
Piggybear87 |
My graphics card can't handle all of the simi-transparent. |
| 05:20 |
Piggybear87 |
I say we melt it... Lol. |
| 05:21 |
thursday |
Is there one main minetest server?.. I just perused the server list, on the forum first and then in the client. |
| 05:22 |
thursday |
and begun hanging it in the first one that allowed me interact priviliges and didn't take 20mins to load the scenery. |
| 05:23 |
Vazon |
Piggybear87 place the lava and run xD |
| 05:25 |
Vazon |
umm we may have made it worse hehe |
| 05:25 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol. |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
<VanessaE> why are we still sorting by number of users instead of something more fair?!? |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
+1 |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
random order? |
| 05:27 |
Vazon |
yes number is not fair because the top server will get the most players. I know because my server was up at the top months ago |
| 05:28 |
Vazon |
piggy go inside the ice under the lava, that would make a great home lol |
| 05:29 |
kaeza |
hmm... |
| 05:30 |
Piggybear87 |
Too much lag. I was trying to make the lava flow through the center. |
| 05:30 |
Vazon |
lol |
| 05:31 |
Vazon |
Kaeza why not jsut ditch the server list and make it like minecraftservers.org the top server with the most votes that is the number one and regiester players can vote 1 time only so not spaming vote? |
| 05:33 |
Piggybear87 |
MAy be hard to do. Well, for me. |
| 05:33 |
Piggybear87 |
May* |
| 05:33 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: I was thinking the lag combined with the age and a weighted value attached to alpha order |
| 05:34 |
VanessaE |
(so that roughly equal-rated servers get listed more or less alphabetically, but the best-rated ones end up high on the list) |
| 05:35 |
Vazon |
VanessaE that still isnt all fair |
| 05:35 |
Piggybear87 |
I like the lag idea. lowest lag= highest spot. It may even vary because the top servers will get lagged down from lots of players. |
| 05:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Alright Vazon, that was fun, but the lag is killing me. :) |
| 05:36 |
Vazon |
what if its a old server no lag but no one playes it, but its at the top for ever |
| 05:36 |
Vazon |
xD ok |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
Vazon: it's more fair than listing it by number of players |
| 05:36 |
Vazon |
yes but still not fair, i like my idea |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
ok then four variables. |
| 05:36 |
Vazon |
that will put the well like servers on the top |
| 05:37 |
Vazon |
then we can put your lag idea in there |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
weighted vote * weighted alpha order * lag amount * age (with a cap at say 7 days) |
| 05:37 |
Vazon |
sounds like a great idea |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
easily calculated by even the slowest hardware |
| 05:37 |
thursday |
why don't you display all those in columns, and allow the user to sort it to their own preferences? |
| 05:37 |
Piggybear87 |
I like random also. That way every server gets a chance at top, and to get play. |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
and by the simplest of programming languages |
| 05:38 |
thursday |
I guess you still need a default. :/ |
| 05:38 |
VanessaE |
thursday: exactly. |
| 05:38 |
* Piggybear87 |
can't wait till saturday. |
| 05:38 |
Vazon |
i think the way VanessaE said would work best |
| 05:39 |
VanessaE |
the result of the vote*alpha*lag*age could just be called "Rating" or "Score" or something else |
| 05:40 |
Vazon |
Vanessa maby add once you hit 25-50 players your server gets kicked till you get lower players to let other servers have a chance? |
| 05:42 |
|
Exio4 joined #minetest |
| 05:44 |
|
khor joined #minetest |
| 05:45 |
Piggybear87 |
I'm making a formal request to modders everywhere. Please put your mod in a folder that doesn't need to be renamed. That step is a pain if you forget to do it... Lol. |
| 05:49 |
VanessaE |
Piggybear87: impossible to do for github ZIP archives |
| 05:49 |
VanessaE |
(for the actual cloneable repo, easily done and I agree with you) |
| 05:50 |
Piggybear87 |
Anyone know why a computer wouldn't start? Well, it starts but there's no video, like, at all. No post or anything. It started up fine less than a month ago. |
| 05:51 |
Vazon |
night all |
| 05:51 |
Piggybear87 |
Night. |
| 05:59 |
|
CraigyDavi joined #minetest |
| 06:00 |
* kaeza |
pokes VanessaE and Piggybear87 with https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1062 |
| 06:01 |
kaeza |
"There's a pull for that!" |
| 06:01 |
Piggybear87 |
WHY!? Has it not been implemented then> |
| 06:02 |
Piggybear87 |
?* |
| 06:02 |
kaeza |
uhh... it's implemented... just not merged into master |
| 06:03 |
Piggybear87 |
WHY though? It's more than 6 months old. |
| 06:03 |
kaeza |
welcome to minetest development |
| 06:04 |
Piggybear87 |
Lmfao. |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: oh yes, I'd quite forgotten about that onbe. |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
-b |
| 06:07 |
kaeza |
to be fair, at times you have to wait months for someone to look at it, and then you just don't care anymore, while other times things go in almost instantly |
| 06:07 |
Piggybear87 |
Some things though, like mesecons, would still need to be renamed. |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
Piggybear87: mesecons is a modpack |
| 06:07 |
kaeza |
mesecons is a modpack, so name doe... that |
| 06:07 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't have to be renamed. ever. |
| 06:08 |
Piggybear87 |
Really?It's named "minetest-mod-mesecons-<something> |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
look inside, |
| 06:08 |
Piggybear87 |
Hmph. I have been wasting so much time... |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
there's a modpack.txt in there |
| 06:09 |
kaeza |
OTOH, all my stuff is minetest-<modname> :P |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: not all. |
| 06:09 |
kaeza |
whether it's a modpack or not |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
the presence of that file (empty) means this is a modpack and so the folders therein will be treated as individual mods. |
| 06:09 |
Piggybear87 |
I knew it was a pack, just thought it had to be renamed. |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
s/kaeza: not all.// |
| 06:10 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 06:10 |
* kaeza |
is adding "last seen" info to xban2 |
| 06:11 |
kaeza |
useful if you want to make a convoluted shell script to remove player files! |
| 06:12 |
kaeza |
meh... will continue work on homedecor/multifonts instead |
| 06:13 |
* Piggybear87 |
needs to learn Lua... |
| 06:13 |
* Piggybear87 |
also needs to sleep... |
| 06:13 |
Piggybear87 |
Night all. |
| 06:14 |
kaeza |
night |
| 06:14 |
kaeza |
:< |
| 06:17 |
* RealBadAngel |
yawns |
| 06:20 |
|
Garmine joined #minetest |
| 06:30 |
e1z0 |
hi |
| 06:30 |
e1z0 |
when the new version of minetest will be released |
| 06:30 |
|
kahrl joined #minetest |
| 06:30 |
CraigyDavi |
hi elz0, probably within the next few months |
| 06:31 |
CraigyDavi |
These issues need to be fixed first I believe, before it can be released, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?milestone=3&state=open |
| 06:35 |
e1z0 |
oh |
| 06:35 |
e1z0 |
not so many |
| 06:36 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 06:57 |
|
kaeza joined #minetest |
| 07:05 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 07:09 |
|
nman3600 joined #minetest |
| 07:09 |
nman3600 |
hi |
| 07:11 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/6GrCtos.png vs http://i.imgur.com/fAzrVVo.png |
| 07:11 |
RealBadAngel |
what do you think about above feature? |
| 07:12 |
|
jin_xi joined #minetest |
| 07:30 |
|
VanessaE joined #minetest |
| 07:33 |
nman3600 |
RealBadAngel, i prefer http://i.imgur.com/fAzrVVo.png |
| 07:46 |
asie |
RealBadAngel, same |
| 07:48 |
* nman3600 |
is waiting for mark twain to come on |
| 07:48 |
nman3600 |
the server |
| 07:57 |
|
thursday joined #minetest |
| 08:05 |
nman3600 |
m5, Do you know when your server will be up? |
| 08:12 |
|
Firebat|Off joined #minetest |
| 08:12 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 08:12 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 08:13 |
|
Exio4 joined #minetest |
| 08:15 |
nman3600 |
Hello Firebat and Exio4 |
| 08:15 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 08:15 |
nman3600 |
Hello, asie |
| 08:17 |
|
asie_ joined #minetest |
| 08:19 |
|
jp__ joined #minetest |
| 08:30 |
jp__ |
Amaz ? |
| 08:31 |
|
tredory joined #minetest |
| 08:44 |
|
reactor joined #minetest |
| 08:44 |
reactor |
Ehlo. |
| 08:44 |
reactor |
Are semi-transparent textures only supported for some cases? |
| 08:45 |
reactor |
For example, I can see such in kaeza's firearms' mod, working fine, but when I try to make mobs fireball semi-transparent, I get only "not transprent" pixels to display. |
| 08:45 |
Amaz |
Hello jp__ ! |
| 08:45 |
reactor |
s/ot t/on-t/ |
| 08:46 |
RealBadAngel |
another example, at night: |
| 08:46 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/CUbxNqH.png vs http://i.imgur.com/gmFMjsl.png |
| 08:57 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 08:57 |
|
whiskers75 joined #minetest |
| 09:10 |
|
CraigyDavi_ joined #minetest |
| 09:32 |
|
Jordach joined #minetest |
| 09:36 |
* kaeza |
slaps Jordach |
| 09:36 |
* Jordach |
bitch slaps kaeza |
| 09:36 |
Jordach |
yes? |
| 09:37 |
kaeza |
hai? |
| 09:42 |
Jordach |
still no ShadowBot? |
| 09:45 |
|
whiskers75 joined #minetest |
| 09:58 |
|
whiskers75 joined #minetest |
| 09:59 |
|
Jousway joined #minetest |
| 10:01 |
|
CraigyDavi joined #minetest |
| 10:02 |
|
CraigyDavi__ joined #minetest |
| 10:07 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 10:08 |
Jordach |
kaeza, dafuq how do you handle temparatuer |
| 10:09 |
Jordach |
it's 21C here and i'm fucking melting |
| 10:09 |
kaeza |
Jordach, south hemisphere -> winter -> ~5ºC |
| 10:10 |
Jordach |
kaeza, i'd rather be cold than hot |
| 10:12 |
|
nman3600 joined #minetest |
| 10:12 |
nman3600 |
hi |
| 10:18 |
RealBadAngel |
jordach: http://i.imgur.com/CUbxNqH.png vs http://i.imgur.com/gmFMjsl.png |
| 10:18 |
RealBadAngel |
any comments? |
| 10:18 |
RealBadAngel |
(left = default) |
| 10:19 |
nman3600 |
Right = ?@ |
| 10:20 |
RealBadAngel |
possible feature |
| 10:21 |
nman3600 |
RealBadAngel, i prefer the left one |
| 10:22 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, is that per face shading |
| 10:22 |
Jordach |
IF SO YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES |
| 10:22 |
RealBadAngel |
per face brightness |
| 10:23 |
Jordach |
10 print WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 10:23 |
Jordach |
20 goto 10 |
| 10:23 |
RealBadAngel |
by now top is 100% rest a bit darker |
| 10:23 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, is that applyable to tools |
| 10:23 |
Jordach |
so they don't appear the same brightness all around |
| 10:24 |
RealBadAngel |
on the screenshot you can see: top 100%, pairs NE and WS are a bit darker but different, and bottom most dark |
| 10:24 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, wajt |
| 10:24 |
RealBadAngel |
NS and WE |
| 10:24 |
Jordach |
wait a sec, that also appears to give nodeboxes proper shading |
| 10:25 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, i've also got a meshnode for you |
| 10:25 |
Jordach |
think of it as a warpstation :) |
| 10:25 |
Jordach |
or some sort of mapsystem |
| 10:34 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel, try doing that to tools; https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ch_FTg_iJfTS.png |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
wtf Dropbox |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_ZCv1SPeM9Ql.png |
| 10:39 |
nman3600 |
m5, I've got a whole large bag and a few stacks of dirt what shall i do with it? |
| 10:39 |
kaeza |
:O |
| 10:39 |
Jordach |
i should probably stop smoking the reefer |
| 10:40 |
nman3600 |
Anyone what shall i do with all this dirt i have |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
build a really large nerdpole |
| 10:40 |
nman3600 |
i want to give it away but no one wants it |
| 10:40 |
nman3600 |
IF YOU WANT IT JOIN MARK TWAINS SERVER LOL |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
look down, jump up, then place the dirt |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
and repeat |
| 10:40 |
|
Krock joined #minetest |
| 10:41 |
Krock |
FRIDAY THE 13TH |
| 10:41 |
Jordach |
dun dun durr |
| 10:41 |
nman3600 |
Krock where have you been! |
| 10:41 |
Krock |
hello people |
| 10:41 |
kaeza |
:OOO |
| 10:41 |
nman3600 |
I'VE MISSED YOU AND YOUR SERVER |
| 10:41 |
Krock |
I had a wonderful holyday |
| 10:41 |
Jordach |
holiday* |
| 10:41 |
kaeza |
CAPS PARTY! |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
aw shit |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
it IS isn't it |
| 10:41 |
Jordach |
:( |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
I think I'll just crawl into bed and hide |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
*holiday, days, Jordach |
| 10:42 |
Jordach |
i can't open this packet of pringles |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
VanessaE +1 |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
Jordach, they're overpriced |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
(at least ehre) |
| 10:42 |
Krock |
*here |
| 10:42 |
Jordach |
Krock, £1.35 here |
| 10:42 |
kaeza |
friday 13th and full moon! :O |
| 10:42 |
Jordach |
(world cup = lower prices for snaks) |
| 10:42 |
nman3600 |
Jordach where in england are you? |
| 10:43 |
Jordach |
Norfolk |
| 10:43 |
Krock |
CHF 5 here.. that's more than 2x the price |
| 10:43 |
nman3600 |
I'm in UK |
| 10:43 |
Jordach |
otherwise known as redneck country here |
| 10:43 |
Krock |
redneck? I almost got a red neck in the last 3 days |
| 10:43 |
Krock |
sunny weather |
| 10:43 |
VanessaE |
oh, so you would fit right in in the US midwest then :) |
| 10:43 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/joRoemE75HZk.png |
| 10:43 |
VanessaE |
and for that matter over here in W. NC :P |
| 10:43 |
Jordach |
WTF DROPBOX |
| 10:44 |
Krock |
:) |
| 10:44 |
Jordach |
kaeza, something's wrong with my upload |
| 10:44 |
* Krock |
does backups - 5% with 9612 / 9619 files passed |
| 10:45 |
kaeza |
Jordach, have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 10:45 |
Jordach |
kaeza, nope |
| 10:45 |
kaeza |
wait... 64M/s ? O_o |
| 10:45 |
kaeza |
just wat |
| 10:45 |
Jordach |
i'm not even on fibre D: |
| 10:48 |
Krock |
<3 7zip, compresses everything very good. |
| 10:49 |
Krock |
s/good/well |
| 10:50 |
Jordach |
clearly my 34% digital conscience did well in boosting my copper line |
| 10:50 |
Jordach |
(yes, i'm working on Digital Immortality) |
| 10:57 |
nman3600 |
Hey, Krock have you looked at v.2.0 of multitest? Need link?: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Minetest+multitest |
| 10:58 |
Krock |
nman3600, hai |
| 10:58 |
|
SylvieLorxu joined #minetest |
| 10:59 |
nman3600 |
Jordach Have you gave up on the pokemon map? |
| 11:01 |
Jordach |
nman3600, i just have other things to be doing |
| 11:01 |
nman3600 |
Jordach, k |
| 11:01 |
Jordach |
but in time, i'm working on a special mod to fake the doors |
| 11:02 |
nman3600 |
I'm currently playing sky block for Minetest |
| 11:06 |
|
nman3600_ joined #minetest |
| 11:08 |
VanessaE |
bbl. |
| 11:08 |
nman3600_ |
cya VanessaE |
| 11:11 |
|
Krock joined #minetest |
| 11:11 |
nman3600 |
Make a tree farm : Check |
| 11:12 |
|
Jousway joined #minetest |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
Is ShadowBot R.I.P? |
| 11:12 |
|
Jordach joined #minetest |
| 11:13 |
nman3600 |
yes |
| 11:13 |
nman3600 |
i think |
| 11:13 |
nman3600 |
My skyblock challenge list so far: http://pastebin.com/Dsyrcn8G |
| 11:14 |
|
Vargos joined #minetest |
| 11:15 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 11:19 |
|
arsdragonfly joined #minetest |
| 11:31 |
|
Megaf joined #minetest |
| 11:31 |
|
harrison joined #minetest |
| 11:35 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 11:49 |
|
reactor joined #minetest |
| 11:57 |
|
jin_xi joined #minetest |
| 11:59 |
|
Halo joined #minetest |
| 12:04 |
|
arsdragonfly1 joined #minetest |
| 12:08 |
|
theTroy joined #minetest |
| 12:12 |
|
catninja joined #minetest |
| 12:13 |
Krock |
How about incuding leveldb like sqlite3 into the MT codes? |
| 12:14 |
Krock |
*throws a dice* |
| 12:14 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja --^ |
| 12:18 |
|
Tux[Qyou] joined #minetest |
| 12:26 |
Exio4 |
[07:09:02] <Jordach> it's 21C here and i'm fucking melting |
| 12:28 |
Exio4 |
is it true? lol, melting is 40C+ |
| 12:28 |
Krock |
ice already melts at 1°C |
| 12:32 |
Exio4 |
are you ice? |
| 12:33 |
Exio4 |
didn't know |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
I'm an ice cube |
| 12:35 |
|
PilzAdam joined #minetest |
| 12:40 |
Krock |
~give sfan5 http://pastebin.com/Af6FAVjX using zlib and irrlicht, no sound, no curl - help! |
| 12:40 |
* Krock |
facehoofs |
| 12:41 |
|
w_laenger joined #minetest |
| 12:41 |
Krock |
!give channel_#minetest ShadowBot |
| 12:41 |
w_laenger |
hi |
| 12:41 |
Krock |
!give w_laenger hello |
| 12:42 |
w_laenger |
How can I use soundpacks? |
| 12:43 |
Krock |
.\minetest\sounds\ <-- put SP here |
| 12:43 |
w_laenger |
I tried it out |
| 12:43 |
kaeza |
backslashes D: |
| 12:43 |
w_laenger |
and it didn't work |
| 12:43 |
|
ImQ009_ joined #minetest |
| 12:43 |
w_laenger |
eg. .minetest/sounds/craw.ogg |
| 12:44 |
Krock |
kaeza, smilz plz |
| 12:44 |
Krock |
smile* |
| 12:44 |
Krock |
w_laenger, minetest\sounds\myawsumpack\cow.ogg |
| 12:44 |
Krock |
(my theory) |
| 12:45 |
w_laenger |
I tried .minetest/sounds/all/craw.ogg and it didn't work |
| 12:45 |
kaeza |
RealBadAngel, ^ |
| 12:45 |
w_laenger |
Would I need to add something to minetest.conf? |
| 12:47 |
|
ImNotQ009 joined #minetest |
| 12:48 |
w_laenger |
I only managed to play menu music. |
| 12:50 |
|
theTroy1 joined #minetest |
| 12:54 |
w_laenger |
Shall I put the sounds to usr/share/minetest/sounds? |
| 12:58 |
w_laenger |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638752/ |
| 12:59 |
|
hmmmm joined #minetest |
| 13:00 |
|
Bearbar123 joined #minetest |
| 13:00 |
Bearbar123 |
hello |
| 13:01 |
Krock |
Olleh |
| 13:02 |
w_laenger |
hi |
| 13:03 |
w_laenger |
what's the meaning of DIR_DELIM? |
| 13:05 |
w_laenger |
!explain DIR_DELIM |
| 13:06 |
w_laenger |
maybe it's / |
| 13:07 |
|
Enke joined #minetest |
| 13:09 |
Bearbar123 |
hey Enke |
| 13:10 |
Enke |
Hiya! |
| 13:10 |
Bearbar123 |
is nate's server up? |
| 13:11 |
w_laenger |
Does std::string base = porting::path_share + DIR_DELIM + "testsounds";dst_paths.insert(base + DIR_DELIM + name + ".ogg"); mean that the sounds need to be stored at .minetest/testsounds? |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
Bearbar123, servers.minetest.net |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
w_laenger, looks like that's required - yes |
| 13:13 |
w_laenger |
I tried it out and it didn't work |
| 13:14 |
w_laenger |
I need to try usr/share/minetest/testsounds because path_share is used and not path_user |
| 13:17 |
|
ImNotQ009 joined #minetest |
| 13:17 |
w_laenger |
sudo chmod a+x /usr/share/minetest/ |
| 13:17 |
|
catninja joined #minetest |
| 13:18 |
w_laenger |
it worked :¬} |
| 13:19 |
|
ImQ009_ joined #minetest |
| 13:23 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 13:26 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 13:32 |
|
Gambit joined #minetest |
| 13:33 |
w_laenger |
thanks for your help |
| 13:38 |
w_laenger |
can date show milliseconds too? |
| 13:38 |
w_laenger |
It can show nanoseconds |
| 13:39 |
|
reactor joined #minetest |
| 13:39 |
reactor |
Hello. |
| 13:40 |
reactor |
Why would Minetest server fail to start with "/home/mike/tmp/_/server/src/database-leveldb.cpp:44: Database_LevelDB::Database_LevelDB(ServerMap *, std::string): Assertion 'status.ok()' failed." |
| 13:40 |
reactor |
in half of the cases? |
| 13:40 |
reactor |
That leads to having to 'kill -2' it twice in order to restart it. |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 13:41 |
w_laenger |
hi |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
reactor: Don't use LevelDB |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
;) |
| 13:41 |
Megaf |
SQlite3 is fast enough, |
| 13:42 |
w_laenger |
Megaf, really? |
| 13:42 |
reactor |
I would like it as light as possible. |
| 13:42 |
reactor |
Because I already can't afford to pay electricity bills. |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
reactor: by default, LevelDB will use compression, so it have to use more CPU resources to compress data when writing and then decompress when reading |
| 13:43 |
* w_laenger |
read the logs |
| 13:43 |
reactor |
That is interesting. |
| 13:43 |
reactor |
Because last time I rolled a tar.xz it would compress dramatically. |
| 13:44 |
w_laenger |
my cpu isn't really fast, so shall I use sqlite? |
| 13:44 |
sfan5 |
Krock: link to libIrrlicht |
| 13:44 |
sfan5 |
meow |
| 13:44 |
sfan5 |
hi every1 BTW |
| 13:44 |
w_laenger |
hi |
| 13:44 |
Krock |
sfan5, meow. I did. |
| 13:45 |
w_laenger |
what is assert() good for? |
| 13:45 |
Krock |
irrlicht library, src dir, incudedir and dll have been set |
| 13:45 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: it depends, most distros have a liblevedb without compression |
| 13:45 |
sfan5 |
Krock: then you linked to the wrong one |
| 13:45 |
sfan5 |
reactor: that means leveldb said something is not good |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
sfan5, there was just one dll and just one obj |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
*lib |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
sfan5: well, if the map when using LevelDB is much smaller than it was when using sqlite, so it's using |
| 13:46 |
reactor |
sfan5: I realise. |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
lol..flood of messages |
| 13:46 |
w_laenger |
ok, I found it out myself |
| 13:46 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: what is "much smaller"? |
| 13:46 |
reactor |
Megaf: it may be due to the files being less sparse. |
| 13:46 |
reactor |
That's not exactly "compression". |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
sfan5: I've read here in this channel people saying half of the size |
| 13:46 |
reactor |
I may be wrong, though. |
| 13:47 |
reactor |
Is LevelDB more corruption-prone? |
| 13:47 |
sfan5 |
<reactor> Megaf: it may be due to the files being less sparse. |
| 13:47 |
sfan5 |
reactor: no, it is less corruption-prone than sqlite3 |
| 13:47 |
reactor |
Aha. |
| 13:48 |
reactor |
Well I guess I should stick with sqlite then, with all those random, transient maladies. |
| 13:48 |
Krock |
sfan5, would it be possible for you to create a pull request in the MT repo to incude the leveldb like sqlite3? |
| 13:48 |
Megaf |
sfan5: less? Are you sure? Now I see that minetest is using sqlite journal |
| 13:48 |
Megaf |
reactor: Thing is, well tunned sqlite can be the fastest db |
| 13:48 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: usage of sqlite3 journal is not an indicaton for corruption-proneness of sqlite3 |
| 13:49 |
Megaf |
but it may be hard to well tunne it |
| 13:49 |
sfan5 |
Krock: what do you mean? |
| 13:49 |
Megaf |
reactor: by the way, my server uses 5 watts of power only |
| 13:49 |
reactor |
The system would become unresponsive and I had to hard-reset it. Now the server won't start, taking up exactly one processor. |
| 13:49 |
Megaf |
10 watts peak |
| 13:49 |
Megaf |
[10:49:42] <reactor> The system would become unresponsive and I had to hard-reset it. Now the server won't start, taking up exactly one processor. |
| 13:49 |
|
PenguinDad joined #minetest |
| 13:49 |
Megaf |
too bad |
| 13:50 |
Krock |
sfan5, liek dis: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/src/sqlite |
| 13:50 |
|
NakedFury joined #minetest |
| 13:50 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, please add a setting to change the path of soundpacks |
| 13:50 |
Krock |
just with leveldb, is that possible |
| 13:50 |
Krock |
+? |
| 13:51 |
Krock |
w_laenger, I think RBA is "master" in that part |
| 13:51 |
reactor |
Hmm. |
| 13:51 |
w_laenger |
why? |
| 13:51 |
reactor |
Why would sqlite be included with the sources, and not installed from the OS packages? |
| 13:52 |
reactor |
Or that is just glue code? |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
Krock: why?it was decided against this. |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
reactor: nope, not glue code |
| 13:52 |
reactor |
Yeah I see now. |
| 13:53 |
Krock |
sfan5, srsly? so I missed that one |
| 13:53 |
Krock |
too bad, it would be very nice to have it there |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
Krock: why? |
| 13:55 |
Krock |
sfan5, to have that thingy by default in the source and even windows platforms could compile it. (maybe android too?) |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
you can compile it without having it in the main tree |
| 13:56 |
reactor |
Yeah. |
| 13:56 |
reactor |
Not being able to install dependencies separately is Windows' problem. |
| 13:57 |
Krock |
okay, gonna continue this topic again when I'm done with my very vanilla minetet |
| 13:57 |
reactor |
Windows developers should make a package manager or something. |
| 13:57 |
Krock |
*minetest |
| 13:57 |
reactor |
Seriously, people! What is an OS without a sources and package manager nowadays? |
| 13:57 |
reactor |
source and package, even |
| 13:57 |
w_laenger |
Is there a better way to remove the last letter of a string than string.sub(text, 1, -2)? |
| 13:58 |
Krock |
w_laenger, the best way is to not let that happen |
| 13:58 |
w_laenger |
Krock, not in this case |
| 13:59 |
Krock |
then you need to use that function, yes |
| 13:59 |
w_laenger |
ok |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
It wasn't the DB's fault. |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
players/ files got corrupted. |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
Also, I found that env_meta is corrupted if the server is killed with SIGKILL |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
env_meta.txt, eve. |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
n |
| 13:59 |
reactor |
even |
| 14:00 |
Megaf |
reactor: nope, player files got corruped when you killed the server |
| 14:00 |
w_laenger |
just change this line https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L744 and add a setting for the path |
| 14:00 |
reactor |
Megaf: right, they got corrupted on that dirty shutdown. |
| 14:00 |
reactor |
But I always get env_meta corruption if I SIGKILL it. |
| 14:00 |
w_laenger |
can I somehow use path_user in minetest.conf? |
| 14:01 |
Megaf |
reactor: I run my server on a screen session, and ALWAYS shutdown it with a single "Ctrl + C" key combo |
| 14:01 |
reactor |
There should be a sanity check for player files. |
| 14:01 |
reactor |
Megaf: I wasn't in control! |
| 14:01 |
Megaf |
sometimes it my take long |
| 14:01 |
reactor |
The system was unreponsive, I had to trip the breaker! |
| 14:02 |
reactor |
There should be a sanity check, because no one wants to wander through 65535 player files after a dirty shutdown. |
| 14:02 |
reactor |
As well as for env_meta.txt |
| 14:03 |
Krock |
reactor, windows is good when force closing applications - never got any corruption when I task killed minetest XD |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
reactor: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6120106 |
| 14:03 |
w_laenger |
what about allowing minetest to save a env_meta.txt~ and remove it if env_meta.txt is saved correctly |
| 14:03 |
reactor |
Krock: it must be that Windows task manager doesn't actually let you what would be SIGKILL on UNIX. |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
It may be a problem when you want to kill something regardless of its responsiveness. |
| 14:04 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: then you end up with 2 broken files |
| 14:04 |
Krock |
reactor, not over taskmanager. taskkill |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
With some programs and conditions, even SIGKILL doesn't always work. |
| 14:04 |
reactor |
Like I/O waits. |
| 14:04 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
There must be an option in taskkill then. |
| 14:05 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, and what about only allowing modifying one file at the same time? |
| 14:05 |
reactor |
I'm sure there would be less corruption if I had control over the system. |
| 14:05 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: how would that prevent it? |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
sfan5: gonna try, thank you! |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
It would be nice to have something like that built in, though. |
| 14:06 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, when minetest becomes started again and the file doesn't exist, it can copy the second one and create it again |
| 14:06 |
|
jp___ joined #minetest |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: this adds too much overhead (in terms of data) |
| 14:07 |
reactor |
sfan5: wtf... one player file I found is filled with the log! |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
lol |
| 14:07 |
jp___ |
Hello all. |
| 14:08 |
reactor |
another file has nick not matching the filename |
| 14:08 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, and what about adding a backup file when the map becomes created? |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
reactor: apply http://ix.io/cWy, recompile and then it should give you better error messages |
| 14:08 |
reactor |
and another file is filled with shit |
| 14:08 |
reactor |
That's not leveldb problem now. |
| 14:08 |
jp___ |
how do when you want to "tackle" a large vertical wall to the ground (horizontally) with WorldEdit? I tried various commands with //rotate but it does not work... |
| 14:08 |
reactor |
It's totally the player files that is causing the hang. |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: it does not make sense to do this for env_meta.txt |
| 14:08 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, this file would only be used if the other one is broken |
| 14:08 |
reactor |
I wonder how would the server log get into them. |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: then you could just write env_meta.txt by hand, it is the same for every map at the start |
| 14:09 |
w_laenger |
a lot of people become problems because of a disappeared file |
| 14:09 |
w_laenger |
sfan5, I don't think it should be necessary to do it by hand |
| 14:10 |
w_laenger |
... I could make a mod for it |
| 14:10 |
PenguinDad |
lol where are the problems when env_meta.txt disappears? |
| 14:10 |
w_laenger |
PenguinDad, the seed, flags and other stuff are lost and you don't remember it |
| 14:10 |
sfan5 |
crash recovery is the job of the server admin anyway |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
It's not. |
| 14:10 |
w_laenger |
and on singleplayer mode? |
| 14:10 |
jp___ |
'//rotate x', thanks jp. |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
It's the program's problem if it had corrupted something. |
| 14:11 |
PenguinDad |
w_laenger: that's stored map_meta.txt |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
It should exit as gracefullt as possible. |
| 14:11 |
PenguinDad |
+in |
| 14:12 |
reactor |
PenguinDad: I actually think of removing it each time the server starts. |
| 14:12 |
w_laenger |
Sorry, I don't remember these file names, so ... |
| 14:13 |
PenguinDad |
env_meta.txt only stores the time of the map |
| 14:13 |
w_laenger |
and the server doesn't work if the time isn't known? |
| 14:14 |
w_laenger |
is 881412 a long game time? |
| 14:15 |
Krock |
divide by 60 to get minutes |
| 14:15 |
Krock |
divide by 60 again to get hours |
| 14:15 |
w_laenger |
kl,..– . |
| 14:15 |
reactor |
There is no big deal about removing it, but it's annoying to have to do it by hand and write shell scripts to work around what should be already done automatically. |
| 14:15 |
w_laenger |
there was something on my keyboard |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
lol |
| 14:16 |
w_laenger |
!c 881412/3600 |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
!calc 881412/3600/24 |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
uh. |
| 14:16 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
.. |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
whatever, it would be 10 days |
| 14:16 |
|
theTroy joined #minetest |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
bc -l always works. |
| 14:17 |
w_laenger |
without break |
| 14:17 |
PenguinDad |
!c os.execute("bc -l") |
| 14:17 |
MinetestBot |
NameError: name 'os' is not defined |
| 14:17 |
w_laenger |
!help |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
echo '881412/3600' |bc -l |
| 14:18 |
w_laenger |
echo $((881412/3600)) |
| 14:19 |
reactor |
There at least should be a tool called 'worldlint'. |
| 14:19 |
Krock |
^- what does it do? |
| 14:20 |
reactor |
w_laenger: integers only. |
| 14:21 |
reactor |
bc -l should give you a real number |
| 14:21 |
w_laenger |
reactor, I know, thanks for telling me the bc command |
| 14:23 |
w_laenger |
echo pi+3.14159265358975 |bc -l |
| 14:24 |
w_laenger |
shall I use more assert than if? |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
man bc |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
There is no built in pi constant. |
| 14:25 |
w_laenger |
so I need to calculate it manually? |
| 14:26 |
reactor |
However... bc -l -e 'scale = 500; 2 * a(2^10000)' -e quit |
| 14:26 |
PenguinDad |
atan(1)*4 == pi |
| 14:26 |
reactor |
a is arctangent |
| 14:26 |
w_laenger |
invalid option -e |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
plz2help sfan5 http://pastebin.com/guaM2qqN |
| 14:27 |
|
LemonLake joined #minetest |
| 14:27 |
w_laenger |
string.sub(assert(io.popen("echo 8/16| bc -l"):read("*a"), "failedd"), 1, -2)) |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
(new error) |
| 14:27 |
w_laenger |
shall I use this instead of calculating stuff with lua? |
| 14:27 |
reactor |
w_laenger: 2*a(2^1000) |
| 14:27 |
reactor |
It's just a desk calculator. |
| 14:27 |
reactor |
Not for use in programming. |
| 14:28 |
reactor |
Well, it can be used in shell scripts that's it. |
| 14:28 |
w_laenger |
string.sub(assert(io.popen("echo 1283578/1238416| bc -l"):read("*a"), "failedd"), 1, -2)) |
| 14:28 |
w_laenger |
it can also be used in lua ^ |
| 14:28 |
reactor |
Compute natively in LUA? |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
sfan5, compiled irrlicht and linked to the dll and lib file - src and include folder are defined too, what the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 14:29 |
Krock |
reactor, https://github.com/mniip/LUA |
| 14:29 |
w_laenger |
bc might work faster for calculating big numbers instead of using lua |
| 14:30 |
reactor |
Really? |
| 14:30 |
reactor |
How about JIT? |
| 14:30 |
w_laenger |
now my ambience sounds aren't stored in a folder called "sounds" |
| 14:30 |
w_laenger |
I don't know. |
| 14:31 |
w_laenger |
because I haven't tested it yet |
| 14:31 |
reactor |
Working on soundpacks, too? |
| 14:32 |
w_laenger |
to calculate very much you could use a program made with gcc which uses opencl |
| 14:32 |
reactor |
In my opinion, it would be nice to have sounds changeable like textures. |
| 14:32 |
w_laenger |
I didn't make my own soundpack yet |
| 14:32 |
w_laenger |
it's already possible |
| 14:32 |
reactor |
When has it become? |
| 14:32 |
w_laenger |
idk |
| 14:33 |
w_laenger |
put your sounds into a folder called testsounds in the shared minetest folder |
| 14:33 |
w_laenger |
/usr/share/minetest/testsounds/fire.ogg |
| 14:33 |
reactor |
Aha. |
| 14:34 |
reactor |
Why wasn't it documented? Or am I missing where it has been documented? |
| 14:34 |
w_laenger |
it's documented at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L731 |
| 14:35 |
LemonLake |
mniip's lua is just lua with capslock |
| 14:35 |
w_laenger |
another question: why aren't screenshots named by date and time? |
| 14:36 |
reactor |
Source code is not documentation. |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
look at modification date -^ |
| 14:37 |
w_laenger |
reactor, ok, I don't know more Krock how? |
| 14:37 |
Krock |
w_laenger, switch file sorting display to "details" |
| 14:38 |
w_laenger |
Krock, where? |
| 14:38 |
Krock |
w_laenger, is the screenshot on your HDD? |
| 14:39 |
w_laenger |
which screenshot? |
| 14:39 |
Krock |
<w_laenger>another question: why aren't screenshots named by date and time? |
| 14:39 |
w_laenger |
yes |
| 14:40 |
Krock |
date and time is visible if the screenshot is on the HDD |
| 14:40 |
Krock |
image hosters mostly add a timestamp, too |
| 14:40 |
w_laenger |
2333992872 |
| 14:40 |
reactor |
The best naming convention is: YYYY-MM-DD-HH-MM-SS-MSEC |
| 14:41 |
w_laenger |
screenshot_2333992872.png |
| 14:41 |
kaeza |
no nanoseconds? :( |
| 14:41 |
reactor |
Nobody would take screens that fast |
| 14:41 |
w_laenger |
kaeza, you can use simple screen recorder |
| 14:41 |
Krock |
HH:MM:SS.MSECNPQABCDE DD-MM-YY |
| 14:41 |
Krock |
best ^ |
| 14:41 |
reactor |
Krock: that would mess up the sort. |
| 14:41 |
kaeza |
guess nobody gets jokes over here |
| 14:42 |
w_laenger |
reactor, you can hold F12 |
| 14:42 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 14:42 |
kaeza |
or my jokes are bad, and I should feel bad :( |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
F12F12F12F12F12F12F12 |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
oops |
| 14:42 |
reactor |
Krock: you forgot to hold up the "sarcasm" sign. |
| 14:42 |
reactor |
oops. |
| 14:42 |
reactor |
kaeza. |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
xD |
| 14:42 |
Krock |
I put my finger on the F12 key and thiscomes out: F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12 |
| 14:43 |
reactor |
4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~ |
| 14:43 |
reactor |
Depends on the terminal. |
| 14:43 |
Krock |
terminal???? |
| 14:43 |
w_laenger |
because of lag, change the window size |
| 14:44 |
kaeza |
"DOS Box" or "Command Prompt" |
| 14:44 |
w_laenger |
I can shrink mine to 1x1 px |
| 14:44 |
kaeza |
he still uses the OS with "\\" as directory separator D: |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
http://command.com/com/extention/are_funny.html |
| 14:45 |
reactor |
Hmm. |
| 14:45 |
Krock |
@'\' |
| 14:45 |
reactor |
Why would Minetest crash if videodriver is set to null? |
| 14:45 |
Krock |
would it? |
| 14:45 |
reactor |
How am I supposed to randominput-test my server? |
| 14:45 |
reactor |
It would, last time I checked. |
| 14:45 |
Krock |
aha, so it does |
| 14:46 |
Krock |
what do you mean by "randominput"? |
| 14:46 |
reactor |
--random-input |
| 14:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Krock: What do you mean? LevelDB is already a supported backend. It's a optional backend though, you have to enable it at compile time. |
| 14:47 |
|
restcoser joined #minetest |
| 14:47 |
ShadowNinja |
an* |
| 14:48 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, true. in my option, everything which is bundled, is better..beware of grammar fails |
| 14:48 |
jin_xi |
or punctation |
| 14:48 |
reactor |
Better? |
| 14:48 |
reactor |
Everything that is bundled is redundant. |
| 14:48 |
reactor |
The OS should already have the deps. |
| 14:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Krock: Tell that to whoever compiles Minetest for you. |
| 14:48 |
Krock |
reactor, uh. can't help you there |
| 14:48 |
reactor |
It's the administrator's job to provide them, otherwise. |
| 14:49 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, trying to compile that thingie self. there's the problem xD |
| 14:49 |
LemonLake |
oh, youtube has fancy dark bgs now |
| 14:49 |
reactor |
But it's not the administrator's job to repair bad argfiles every time the server crashed. |
| 14:49 |
w_laenger |
between Mar 15, 2012 and Jun 16, 2012 |
| 14:49 |
w_laenger |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/07ccc15fc2f0f2abc7f67b51bbfcdc673f6b2869/src/game.cpp#L888 |
| 14:50 |
reactor |
w_laenger: are you the Hybrid_Dog? |
| 14:50 |
* PenguinDad |
slaps Krock with a pure rainbow |
| 14:50 |
w_laenger |
yes |
| 14:50 |
reactor |
I forgot to tell you about the testing. |
| 14:50 |
* Krock |
likes rainbows |
| 14:50 |
ShadowNinja |
Krock: Install leveldb(-dev) and run cmake with -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1. |
| 14:50 |
w_laenger |
which testing? |
| 14:50 |
reactor |
Well, I haven't actually tested the mod, sorry about that. Because I got a good idea shortly after: kill players if they are below a defined leve. |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, win32 |
| 14:51 |
reactor |
The mod that would fill the space underneath a finite map. |
| 14:51 |
reactor |
a defined level, even. |
| 14:51 |
ShadowNinja |
Krock: Use Linux or BSD to build Minetest and set to to cross-compile to Windows. |
| 14:51 |
reactor |
I also protected the bottom layer, so that there is less chance of falling out. |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
w_laenger, that funtion you have there is inefficient |
| 14:52 |
w_laenger |
which function? |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, I don't want to depend on linux - compiling with win for win to win is my target |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
w_laenger, the one you highlighed there in github |
| 14:53 |
w_laenger |
do you mean the pripyat map support? |
| 14:53 |
Krock |
w_laenger, huh? no. the fetch sounds |
| 14:53 |
w_laenger |
ok |
| 14:54 |
w_laenger |
so you mean the scissors sounds? |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, I don't know if you want/can/like to help me - the errorswould be there: http://pastebin.com/guaM2qqN |
| 14:55 |
w_laenger |
do* |
| 14:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Krock: Ask someone who makes MSVC builds to help then, like BlockMen. |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
w_laenger, nvm. not important |
| 14:56 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, haven't seen him yet so I tried to speed up the progress :3 whatever - it can wait |
| 14:56 |
w_laenger |
this one? https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-nether |
| 14:58 |
|
harrison joined #minetest |
| 14:59 |
|
tomreyn joined #minetest |
| 15:04 |
reactor |
w_laenger: yeah. |
| 15:04 |
Krock |
https://twitter.com/urbandictionary/status/477465675640741890/photo/1 |
| 15:05 |
LemonLake |
What's best for python guis? pygtk, pyqt or wxpython? |
| 15:05 |
Krock |
LemonLake, null. |
| 15:05 |
LemonLake |
what is better, then? |
| 15:05 |
Krock |
always the best one |
| 15:06 |
w_laenger |
do you mean the fix_light function? |
| 15:08 |
|
Piggybear87 joined #minetest |
| 15:09 |
Piggybear87 |
'ello 'ello all! |
| 15:09 |
Krock |
Olleh |
| 15:09 |
w_laenger |
I uses read_from_map(p1, p2) and p1 and p2 was not the area where I changed something but it worked |
| 15:10 |
w_laenger |
p1,p2 = vector.zero, vector.subtract(p2, p1) |
| 15:11 |
w_laenger |
does anyone want to see some small screenshots? |
| 15:11 |
w_laenger |
no answer yet, I'll delete them |
| 15:11 |
w_laenger |
finished |
| 15:11 |
Krock |
(none sais >me<) |
| 15:15 |
Krock |
!up sektori.org |
| 15:15 |
MinetestBot |
sektori.org:30000 is up (452ms) |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
weird.. the lag is shown up as 0.2s on the server list |
| 15:18 |
LemonLake |
minetest bot isnt most accurate |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
weird because it takes over a minute to load item definitions |
| 15:19 |
LemonLake |
probably has loads then |
| 15:19 |
LemonLake |
minetestbot just checks if it can connect |
| 15:19 |
LemonLake |
afaik |
| 15:20 |
* Krock |
connects to server #[insert random number here] |
| 15:21 |
|
ImQ009_ joined #minetest |
| 15:22 |
|
CraigyDavi joined #minetest |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: Krock wants the leveldb source code in the MT main tree |
| 15:23 |
Krock |
sfan5, he knows |
| 15:24 |
|
ImNotQ009 joined #minetest |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
ShadowNinja, seen shadowbot last time at 2014-06-08, what happened? |
| 15:26 |
reactor |
Can a Minetest server be driven to deplete system resources? |
| 15:26 |
reactor |
I mean, by the client side. |
| 15:26 |
Krock |
it's like wet TNT |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
Really? |
| 15:28 |
LemonLake |
whoa |
| 15:28 |
LemonLake |
gksudo is interesting |
| 15:28 |
Krock |
wet TNT >doesnt< explore |
| 15:29 |
Krock |
LemonLake, minetest.exe is too |
| 15:29 |
LemonLake |
hmm |
| 15:29 |
LemonLake |
minetest.exe is not present on this filesystem |
| 15:29 |
LemonLake |
try again? |
| 15:30 |
Krock |
@"E:\hhh\win32\is\best\evaar\minetest\bin\minetest.exe" |
| 15:30 |
LemonLake |
ah, I found one on my secondary drive |
| 15:30 |
LemonLake |
but it does not exist on file system or primary |
| 15:30 |
Piggybear87 |
OldCoder, I see you're marked away, but you around? |
| 15:30 |
w_laenger |
Krock, but mossy tnt does |
| 15:31 |
LemonLake |
"/media/lemonlake/Secondary/Eclipse/Workspace_1/Minetest/bin/minetest.exe" |
| 15:31 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Oh, absolutely not. We already have plenty of things copied that are extremely out of date. |
| 15:31 |
LemonLake |
wonder what happens if i run it in wine |
| 15:31 |
reactor |
That's also why bundled libraries are bad. |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
It's also a hell to maintain them. |
| 15:32 |
LemonLake |
believe it or not it works PERFECTLY |
| 15:32 |
LemonLake |
i dont even kid |
| 15:35 |
Krock |
I need something which rhymes to "how" |
| 15:35 |
PenguinDad |
Krock: now |
| 15:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Brown |
| 15:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Cow |
| 15:36 |
LemonLake |
brow |
| 15:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Wow |
| 15:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Sow |
| 15:36 |
Krock |
thanks |
| 15:36 |
PenguinDad |
meow |
| 15:36 |
LemonLake |
whenever somebody asks for a rhyming word its always 3 or 4 letters |
| 15:37 |
Piggybear87 |
I need a word that rhymes with orange. |
| 15:37 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol. |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
hmm... 2012? |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
Piggybear87, eh. difficult |
| 15:39 |
Piggybear87 |
Impossible. Lol. No real word rhymes with orange. |
| 15:39 |
Piggybear87 |
Afk. |
| 15:41 |
|
Taoki joined #minetest |
| 15:44 |
|
BlockMen joined #minetest |
| 15:45 |
BlockMen |
Krock, could you try this one? |
| 15:45 |
BlockMen |
http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga55a5b146909aa2b99951615132c5d9d6d119ef60 |
| 15:45 |
Krock |
Piggybear87, sporange! |
| 15:45 |
BlockMen |
sry, dropbox makes problems :/ |
| 15:45 |
|
tomreyn joined #minetest |
| 15:46 |
Krock |
hi BlockMen, yes, and as long there's no survey, it's fine |
| 15:46 |
|
zat joined #minetest |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
PARTYYYY |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
thank you, BlockMen! |
| 15:47 |
BlockMen |
it works?! |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
this needs a crash test now, to check if everything works |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
it started |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
*joins dummy world* |
| 15:48 |
BlockMen |
finally :) take that stupid xp :P |
| 15:48 |
Krock |
hahha |
| 15:48 |
Krock |
it runs fine :D |
| 15:50 |
Piggybear87 |
Back. |
| 15:50 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 15:50 |
BlockMen |
very well then. and i will try to remember: leveldb + winxp sucks ;) |
| 15:51 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 15:51 |
|
Enke joined #minetest |
| 15:52 |
|
bas080 joined #minetest |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
Piggybear87, "nanorange – a really tiny orange that you can’t even see" |
| 15:55 |
Piggybear87 |
That's like rhyming red with read. Lol. |
| 15:55 |
Krock |
I need a word which rhymes on "Plankton" |
| 15:55 |
PenguinDad |
Krock: Planked on xD |
| 15:56 |
Krock |
Piggybear87, eh. no. and yes. both. |
| 15:56 |
Krock |
read in the present is not rhyme to red |
| 15:56 |
Krock |
but in the past, it is |
| 15:57 |
Piggybear87 |
That's what I meant. Red = read<past tense>. |
| 16:01 |
LemonLake |
pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload is life |
| 16:04 |
PenguinDad |
"cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc A-Z" much pseudorandom very characters wow |
| 16:06 |
|
Lunatrius joined #minetest |
| 16:22 |
reactor |
To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow. |
| 16:23 |
reactor |
God damn it, why ever install PulseAudio? |
| 16:23 |
|
jp__ joined #minetest |
| 16:29 |
LemonLake |
reactor: Because it's the only one that actually works with this soundcard. |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9473&view=unread#p144845 |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
>slow SSD |
| 16:29 |
reactor |
LemonLake: OSS could do. |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
I don't even |
| 16:29 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 16:30 |
LemonLake |
what is a slow ssd |
| 16:30 |
LemonLake |
is that even a thing |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
Technological illiteracy, eh. |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
Every idiot can use computers nowadays :( |
| 16:31 |
LemonLake |
ikr |
| 16:31 |
LemonLake |
That's what I like about linux |
| 16:32 |
LemonLake |
They require some computational knowledge, so that kids can't use them just to look cool ^.^ |
| 16:33 |
Krock |
sfan5, I didn't click the link but somehow I fellit's my post |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
Everyone can use Linux, too, nowadays. |
| 16:33 |
Krock |
:3 |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
Because of them, we get Pulseaudio, HAL, D-Bus. |
| 16:33 |
LemonLake |
reactor: really? Most applications require self-compiling for starters |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
And eventually those freaks invent SystemD. |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
With a decent package manager, not. |
| 16:34 |
LemonLake |
let's use ubuntu as an example |
| 16:34 |
reactor |
Oh yeah? |
| 16:34 |
LemonLake |
I think mint uses the same package manager as ubuntu |
| 16:34 |
LemonLake |
A lot of apps aren't even on there, or at least an updated version |
| 16:34 |
reactor |
I remember not ever compiling anythig for the first 1..2 years of Linux usage. |
| 16:35 |
LemonLake |
no idea what kind of apps you download then |
| 16:35 |
reactor |
Nothing fancy back then. |
| 16:35 |
reactor |
As your demands grow, you of course start considering self-compiliong. |
| 16:35 |
LemonLake |
my demands are always sky-high |
| 16:35 |
reactor |
And eventually stop using binary repos altogether. |
| 16:35 |
LemonLake |
that might be why my downloads folder has at least three hundred folders of apps I had to compile |
| 16:36 |
reactor |
Pardon? |
| 16:36 |
LemonLake |
I don't even |
| 16:36 |
reactor |
Doesn't source package management system take care of the downloads? |
| 16:36 |
LemonLake |
Pardon? |
| 16:36 |
reactor |
All I need to compile sources here is type a couple lines, and the system takes care of everything, I just need to insall the package when it's done. |
| 16:37 |
reactor |
Beforehand, one has to set up such a system, not difficult if you know what you're doing. |
| 16:38 |
LemonLake |
I'm used to typing './configure', 'make' then 'make install' |
| 16:38 |
reactor |
That's not it. |
| 16:39 |
reactor |
I don't even need to type those, normally. |
| 16:39 |
LemonLake |
What distro are you on? |
| 16:39 |
reactor |
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-poudriere.html |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
"Ports" can be used on any more or less functioning system, as far as I know. |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
So can PkgSrc. |
| 16:40 |
LemonLake |
Whatever. Bored of talking about this. |
| 16:41 |
reactor |
Debian has some kind of source management, too, but right: whatever. |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
>not Win16/32/64 compatible |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
Krock, are you kidding? |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
Win16 |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
16-bit Windows |
| 16:43 |
Krock |
yeah |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
I think Lua does not even run on that |
| 16:43 |
Krock |
(to kidding) |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
Minetest does not run on that either |
| 16:49 |
asie |
well, Lua runs on DOS... |
| 16:49 |
reactor |
16bit Windows... |
| 16:50 |
reactor |
Necrophiles? |
| 16:50 |
asie |
reactor: that's why i'm working on my own linux distro |
| 16:50 |
asie |
some of the things you mentioned |
| 16:50 |
|
q66 joined #minetest |
| 16:50 |
|
q66 joined #minetest |
| 16:51 |
reactor |
asie: that must be a tough job. Maybe you should check out them BSDs? |
| 16:51 |
asie |
reactor: driver support in BSDs is still lacking |
| 16:52 |
asie |
that is the main and one of the few rationales for even using the Linux kernel |
| 16:52 |
asie |
it will always have the best driver and software compatibility |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
They are shipped pretty barebone, and one can sculpt whatever they like on top. |
| 16:52 |
asie |
and you can sculpt whatever you like on top of Linux too |
| 16:52 |
asie |
it's just that some people (Lennart Poettering, for one) go deliberately against you |
| 16:52 |
asie |
but hey, you get used to it |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
Speaking of the barebone-ness. |
| 16:52 |
asie |
there are actually many really interesting and innovative things for Linux around |
| 16:53 |
asie |
you just need to look outside of the usual Linux forums |
| 16:53 |
asie |
and into newsgroups, IRC channels, niche websites and often documentationless tarballs |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
There is likely to be a way to construct a barebone system similar to BSD with it. |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
And then use, say, Ports. |
| 16:53 |
asie |
I think there is actually a ports-based Linux out there |
| 16:53 |
asie |
I'm not fond of source-only distros, though |
| 16:53 |
asie |
and I will never be |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
Ports is not source only. |
| 16:54 |
asie |
right now I'm playing with pacman, mainly because it is one of the nicest binary package managers around |
| 16:54 |
|
LazyJ joined #minetest |
| 16:54 |
asie |
also one of the most portable (only depends on libarchive, except for its package creation toolchain) |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
That's not the kind of post we need. |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=144852#p144852 |
| 16:55 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: [Mod] Green screen [green_screen] - Minetest Forums |
| 16:56 |
asie |
there is also the portage/paludis route, it offers the highest configurability at the cost of gigantic overcomplexity |
| 16:56 |
asie |
so that's a no |
| 16:56 |
asie |
there's also APT/YUM but those are massively bloated and have lots of baggage, so again, no |
| 16:56 |
asie |
slackware's system is too barebones with no dependency recognition which complicates installing new things massively |
| 16:57 |
|
proller joined #minetest |
| 16:58 |
|
nman3600 joined #minetest |
| 16:58 |
nman3600 |
hi |
| 17:02 |
|
jp__ joined #minetest |
| 17:02 |
nman3600 |
jp__ hi |
| 17:02 |
jp__ |
Hello ;) |
| 17:03 |
asie |
reactor: BSDs are generally nice, but I believe Linux can be saved |
| 17:03 |
reactor |
I do, too. |
| 17:03 |
LemonLake |
why does linux need to be saved/ |
| 17:03 |
asie |
LemonLake: systemd, pulseaudio, bloatware everywhere |
| 17:03 |
LemonLake |
when was it dead? |
| 17:03 |
reactor |
It's beyond my capabilities yet, however. |
| 17:03 |
asie |
LemonLake: not dead |
| 17:03 |
asie |
rotten |
| 17:03 |
asie |
reactor: hey, you can always join my little party |
| 17:03 |
reactor |
And you're doing a tough, but great job, asie. |
| 17:03 |
asie |
reactor: hang out in #musl |
| 17:04 |
asie |
it's a channel with people who are mostly likeminded |
| 17:04 |
LemonLake |
two applications aren't going to be the biggest detail to an entire operating system |
| 17:04 |
asie |
LemonLake: those are just two examples |
| 17:04 |
LemonLake |
your opinion does not effect the state of a project |
| 17:04 |
asie |
and systemd is kind of a big detail |
| 17:04 |
LemonLake |
im not entirely sure what your problem with systemd and pulseaudio are, they have a job and they do it fine |
| 17:04 |
asie |
LemonLake: they break the philosophy |
| 17:04 |
LemonLake |
eithre way you're entitled to an opinion |
| 17:04 |
asie |
one program should do one thing really well |
| 17:05 |
reactor |
SystemD is scary shit. |
| 17:05 |
asie |
systemd does everything |
| 17:05 |
asie |
as pid 1 on root privileges |
| 17:05 |
reactor |
Binary logs, heavy integration. |
| 17:05 |
asie |
an exploit in it (and 9 were found so far) compromises your entire system |
| 17:05 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 17:05 |
LemonLake |
okay, i see your problem with systemd |
| 17:05 |
LemonLake |
what's up with pulseaudio? |
| 17:05 |
asie |
pulseaudio, on the other hand, does some thing well |
| 17:05 |
asie |
but it's horribly easy to break |
| 17:05 |
LemonLake |
again, it has a job and it does it fine. |
| 17:05 |
LemonLake |
yes, but that does not effect the state of an entire project. |
| 17:05 |
asie |
systemd is a core part of the system, pulseaudio is a core part of the sound subsystem in most recent distros |
| 17:05 |
asie |
or things like dbus |
| 17:06 |
LemonLake |
yes, but it doesn't effect linux as a whole |
| 17:06 |
asie |
essentially we agreed on solutions which are worse but everyone uses them |
| 17:06 |
LemonLake |
that just makes no sense |
| 17:06 |
asie |
instead of trying to improve things |
| 17:06 |
reactor |
OSS works fine |
| 17:06 |
asie |
reactor: drivers for OSS are disappearing |
| 17:06 |
ShadowNinja |
I've had issues with PA not working, but plain ALSA works well. |
| 17:06 |
asie |
ALSA is what we need to settle on |
| 17:06 |
reactor |
True, though. |
| 17:06 |
asie |
ShadowNinja: that |
| 17:06 |
asie |
is my experience exactly |
| 17:06 |
reactor |
ALSA should be fine. |
| 17:06 |
LemonLake |
you guys need to get your heads sorted out |
| 17:06 |
reactor |
Pulseaudio is a ound server that uses ALSA as a backend, isn't it? |
| 17:06 |
LemonLake |
if you think one application effects an entire project |
| 17:07 |
asie |
LemonLake: but everyone is taking on that attitude |
| 17:07 |
reactor |
It's just another layer of abstraction then. |
| 17:07 |
LemonLake |
that'd be like saying a minetest mod being bad causes minetest itself to be bad |
| 17:07 |
asie |
no |
| 17:07 |
LemonLake |
but yes |
| 17:07 |
asie |
that'd be like saying mesecons causes minetest to be bad |
| 17:07 |
LemonLake |
that's what you're saying |
| 17:07 |
asie |
because everyone uses mesecons and there is no alternative |
| 17:07 |
|
jordan4ibanez joined #minetest |
| 17:07 |
asie |
so they settle for something that sucks because they know no better |
| 17:07 |
asie |
(of course, mesecons is quite nice) |
| 17:07 |
LemonLake |
I've never heard of pulseaudio being core |
| 17:07 |
asie |
(but that's just a hypothesis) |
| 17:07 |
LemonLake |
but just take it off and get another one |
| 17:07 |
asie |
LemonLake: find me a modern distro which doesn't use pulseaudio |
| 17:08 |
asie |
also, that's starting to be impossible; some software depends on pulseaudio being present |
| 17:08 |
asie |
same with systemd |
| 17:08 |
asie |
udev, the main device autodetection/hotplug framework, permamently depends on systemd |
| 17:08 |
asie |
and there is no good alternative for it |
| 17:08 |
asie |
GNOME (the whole thing!) depends on systemd |
| 17:08 |
reactor |
This is scary. |
| 17:08 |
asie |
Linux is becoming a monolith |
| 17:08 |
reactor |
A desktop environment depends on init system! |
| 17:08 |
reactor |
Just think about it! |
| 17:08 |
LemonLake |
... |
| 17:09 |
asie |
reactor: Linux is becoming another Windows or OS X in that regard |
| 17:09 |
LemonLake |
I don't even. |
| 17:09 |
asie |
LemonLake: I'm serious |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
When did DEs gwos so big and ugly? |
| 17:09 |
asie |
check the GNOME changelogs |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
Yes, asie. |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
That's actually why I decided to run away. |
| 17:09 |
asie |
I decided I can't run away, I'm just working on my own thing |
| 17:09 |
LemonLake |
if you have a problem with gnome, just don't use it |
| 17:09 |
LemonLake |
simple |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
There were other reasons, but this is the main reason. |
| 17:09 |
asie |
LemonLake: I have a problem with udev. |
| 17:09 |
asie |
I can't /not/ use it |
| 17:09 |
asie |
because half my computer's features depend on it being present |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
LemonLake: not when it's broken everything to be compatible with it, and only it. |
| 17:09 |
asie |
hotplugging is an important feature |
| 17:09 |
LemonLake |
get a distro that doesn't use it? |
| 17:09 |
reactor |
They're lobbying the changes that are good for them. |
| 17:10 |
reactor |
And bad for everyone else. |
| 17:10 |
asie |
LemonLake: the only one left is Gentoo |
| 17:10 |
asie |
but that has other issues |
| 17:10 |
zat |
what is the problem with systemd? |
| 17:10 |
LemonLake |
you guys are seriously paranoid... |
| 17:10 |
asie |
i'm making my own distro for exactly that reason |
| 17:10 |
asie |
zat: read up |
| 17:10 |
reactor |
Freedesktop.org and GNOME Project are the two main evil forces nowadays. |
| 17:10 |
asie |
LemonLake: you know what's funny? |
| 17:10 |
asie |
if we were speaking in 1991 |
| 17:10 |
LemonLake |
asie: you know what's funny? |
| 17:10 |
asie |
you'd probably be saying "if you have a problem with UNIX, just don't use it" |
| 17:10 |
LemonLake |
me not giving a shit |
| 17:10 |
zat |
asie: can explain in brief? |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
asie, why'd you think i use windows primarily |
| 17:11 |
zat |
so far all people I see complaining about systemd don't really understand much about it. |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
btw; anytime someone brings up monoliths, this comes to mind |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
darp |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
probably gonna get back into blender |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
https://duckduckgo.com/Monolith_%28Space_Odyssey%29 |
| 17:11 |
asie |
zat: GNOME and udev depend on systemd as a mandatory requirement, for one; for two, systemd is doing too many things, breaking linux's modularity and causing actual exploits in the rarer used features; for three, exploits in your PID 1 init system are horrible |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: is there liquid simulation in blender? |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
LemonLake, yes |
| 17:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
hell yes |
| 17:11 |
asie |
for four; systemd has been voting for changes in the Linux kernel |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
getting blender. |
| 17:11 |
asie |
which are only good for systemd |
| 17:11 |
asie |
the only reason they aren't in there is Torvalds |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
fed up of having to buy that weird software that does it |
| 17:11 |
LemonLake |
that doesn't even work half the tiem |
| 17:12 |
zat |
asie: what exploit? can give me a link |
| 17:12 |
LemonLake |
also jordach, 2.70 vs 2.71? |
| 17:12 |
Jordach |
all versions since 2.5.x |
| 17:12 |
LemonLake |
whoa |
| 17:13 |
asie |
zat: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2013-4327 |
| 17:13 |
LemonLake |
smoke simulation looks epic |
| 17:13 |
LemonLake |
http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/thumb/a/a9/Blender-2.71-cycles-smoke.png/800px-Blender-2.71-cycles-smoke.png |
| 17:13 |
asie |
that's a bug in the interaction of systemd and policykit |
| 17:13 |
asie |
lets you bypass access restrictions |
| 17:13 |
asie |
another one, lets you fiddle with X11 via systemd's broken calling of SetX11Keyboard: http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2013-4394/ |
| 17:13 |
asie |
and there are only more to come as systemd is *gaining* features |
| 17:14 |
asie |
those are real issues and they are beginning to show |
| 17:14 |
asie |
but once they become actually dangerous it might be too late |
| 17:15 |
asie |
there's also http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
| 17:16 |
zat |
asie: those bugs are fixed already |
| 17:16 |
asie |
zat: yes |
| 17:16 |
asie |
heartbleed was fixed too |
| 17:16 |
asie |
any bug was fixed |
| 17:16 |
zat |
if you don't like software that can sometimes have bugs, I strongly suggest you to not ever use a computer again |
| 17:16 |
asie |
but the bigger a piece of software is, the more likely bugs are to appear |
| 17:16 |
LemonLake |
+zat |
| 17:17 |
asie |
and you don't want bugs to appear often in the software that literally runs your computer next to only the kernel |
| 17:17 |
zat |
even the kernel has had many bugs, I don't see your point |
| 17:17 |
zat |
if you don't like systemd, whichever reason (though most are for misinformation) use software that don't depend on it. |
| 17:17 |
asie |
zat: an init system doesn't need to be so big |
| 17:17 |
asie |
an init system should only initialize the system |
| 17:18 |
asie |
a service supervisor should only supervise services |
| 17:18 |
asie |
a power management service should only manage power |
| 17:18 |
asie |
a log parser should only parse logs |
| 17:18 |
zat |
asie, they made something much better than that |
| 17:18 |
asie |
they could've defined open interfaces to interconnect anything with everything |
| 17:18 |
asie |
but no, instead they decided to create a monolith that only works within their own ecosystem |
| 17:19 |
zat |
distributions, developers, the people do the actual things are switching. Normally people that are just users are the ones that complain. |
| 17:19 |
asie |
zat: some are not switching |
| 17:19 |
asie |
and it's increasingly harder for them not to switch |
| 17:19 |
asie |
Ubuntu, for instance, did not want to switch |
| 17:19 |
asie |
but the moment GNOME started depending on systemd |
| 17:20 |
asie |
they were forced to |
| 17:20 |
asie |
and scrap their entire homegrown solution |
| 17:20 |
asie |
Gentoo was forced to create their own fork of a few tools just to make systemd optional |
| 17:20 |
zat |
since when is gnome considered reference of anything... |
| 17:20 |
asie |
zat: most distros use GNOME as a desktop environment |
| 17:21 |
zat |
asie: most distros bring it by default which in none situation means you can't opt to not use it. |
| 17:21 |
asie |
zat: no, that's not how it works |
| 17:21 |
asie |
udev and gnome depend on systemd, a lot of applications depend on gnome, a lot of other things depend on udev |
| 17:21 |
asie |
i need to make heavy sacrifices to use a different solution, that should never be the case |
| 17:22 |
asie |
even wayland is making it so the switch will be seamless |
| 17:22 |
asie |
and nobody decided "OH, OH, WE SHOULD FORCE OUR USERS TO USE WAYLAND" |
| 17:22 |
zat |
so you think that the switch to systemd has annoyed desktop users? |
| 17:22 |
zat |
in what way would it have? |
| 17:22 |
asie |
no, but i think the switch to systemd annoyed expert users |
| 17:22 |
asie |
power users |
| 17:22 |
asie |
the minority who has brought linux to where it is now |
| 17:23 |
asie |
if that were not the case, all distros would have moved to systemd a year ago if not earlier |
| 17:23 |
zat |
“experts†that are annoyed by changes shouln't be called experts like that. |
| 17:23 |
zat |
asie, before you go on, please read this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 |
| 17:23 |
asie |
zat: annoyed by changes forced upon them that they disagree with? |
| 17:23 |
zat |
that post informs a lot. |
| 17:23 |
asie |
zat: that's sysvinit vs. systemd |
| 17:23 |
asie |
there are many more solutions |
| 17:23 |
zat |
asie: there are devels that don't want wayland at all, not because of that they are right. |
| 17:24 |
asie |
runit, s6, perp |
| 17:24 |
zat |
just read it |
| 17:25 |
zat |
most people that come argue with me aren't aware of half of the facts actually. |
| 17:26 |
zat |
...and once they understand how (easy it is) to make service units for systemd, they won't complain again. |
| 17:27 |
asie |
zat: look into runit |
| 17:27 |
asie |
mkdir lighttpd && nano run |
| 17:27 |
asie |
write the code to start the service |
| 17:27 |
asie |
nano finish, write the code to stop the service |
| 17:27 |
asie |
there, runit handles all bringup, restarting, reloading and whatever you want for you |
| 17:27 |
asie |
if you want logging, mkdir log and either copy one of the existing log scripts or create your own |
| 17:27 |
asie |
and runit is a single C file and takes 4KB in memory |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Yo |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Who rang? |
| 17:28 |
asie |
it's not sysvinit-level pain and it's very easy to make |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, I am now |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, did your stuff survive? |
| 17:28 |
zat |
asie: imperative coding |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
Piggybear87, Amaz, m5 and others: I will shut down my worlds shortly for 15 minutes for backup prior to move |
| 17:29 |
reactor |
OldCoder: o/ |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Pripyat is back |
| 17:30 |
reactor |
Oh, and I still host mine. |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
My data center is supposed to move, finally, in the next few days |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
reactor, is there an update for me? |
| 17:30 |
reactor |
Exceptions to the law were published. |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 17:31 |
reactor |
So my stuff is likely to stay up past August. |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I wish to start writing a bit about Pripyat |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
Good again |
| 17:31 |
reactor |
I will give you the latest map if you want. |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
Yes, thank you |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
There was some confusion for months. Some persists. But I wish to document places in the map. |
| 17:32 |
reactor |
Oh, I will add the new places I tried to model to that file. |
| 17:32 |
reactor |
Probably tomorrow. |
| 17:33 |
Megaf |
!seen Calinou |
| 17:33 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: calinou was last seen at 2014-06-12 21:02:30 UTC on #minetest |
| 17:33 |
reactor |
!seen MinetestBot |
| 17:33 |
MinetestBot |
reactor: minetestbot was last seen at 2014-05-22 03:22:25 UTC on ##minetest-next |
| 17:33 |
reactor |
Liar. |
| 17:35 |
Megaf |
!seen myself |
| 17:35 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen myself around. |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
Oh yeah. |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
reactor: yep, his not very aware of himself |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
ops |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
reactor: yep, he's not very aware of himself |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
!seen you |
| 17:36 |
MinetestBot |
reactor: Sorry, I haven't seen you around. |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
That's mean. |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
!seen her |
| 17:36 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen her around. |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
I know that feeling bro |
| 17:39 |
PenguinDad |
!seen him |
| 17:39 |
MinetestBot |
PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen him around. |
| 17:41 |
|
sylvieL joined #minetest |
| 17:42 |
|
Calinou joined #minetest |
| 17:44 |
|
nore joined #minetest |
| 17:49 |
Jordach |
Megaf, herself |
| 17:50 |
reactor |
BRING IN THE FEMBOTS!!! |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
Calinou: Hi there |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
Calinou: Good to know you are using my mod. :) Just be sure it's always updated. |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
Megaf, not so easy :( I frequently tweak stuff or clean up code |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
and… fix typos in comments :s |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
3D armor has “Regisiter†instead of “Register†|
| 17:51 |
Megaf |
[18:02:12] <Calinou> Megaf_, added golden armor to Carbone ;) |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
I realized armor was too powerful, nerfed it too |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
it lasts quite long anyway |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
That's not my typo :P |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I'm actually planing to add mese armor |
| 17:52 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: davidgumberg commited to minetest/minetest: Add AppData file c39e46c00d 2014-06-13T13:51:01-04:00 http://git.io/Lgjwuw |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
well, maybe not |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
How are those hashes(?) in the AppData directory names formed? |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
AppData/{blablabla-blablabla-blablabla-...?} |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
I think mese should be used only for electric/electronic things |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
Mese should be ...semiconductor? |
| 17:54 |
reactor |
And use copper for wires and such instead? |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
Mese is used to make mese wires |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
maybe we should redo mesecons from scratch |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
use copper for wires and condcutors |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
and mese as semiconductor |
| 17:54 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=146 → would be nice to see a revival of this |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
crap, the download link is minus.com, and the download button sends me to home page with NSFW stuff |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
Calinou: maybe a modpack with those torches |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
and bricks |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
[14:56:56] <Calinou> crap, the download link is minus.com, and the download button sends me to home page with NSFW stuff |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
probably can't download it |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
not here |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
http://i.minus.com/1402768653/SLLJgg2EM4BC0F10S09-6Q/dotTOllrV6ppe/%5Bkdd%5DExplorerPack4.0.zip |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
doesn't work |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
can you upload it somewhere else? |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
(eg. creat topic, forum attachment) |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
create* |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
sorry, my mistake |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
I can´t download that either |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
some cure girl there btw |
| 17:59 |
Calinou |
<_< |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
it's almost pron sometimes |
| 18:00 |
LemonLake |
'almost' |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
I'll send the OP a PM, but their last visit is from january 2014 |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
Calinou, there was a pony ;) |
| 18:05 |
|
nore joined #minetest |
| 18:06 |
|
Ghant__i_ joined #minetest |
| 18:12 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 18:16 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: does carbone have boats? |
| 18:17 |
PenguinDad |
sfan5: it also has hoovers and carts |
| 18:17 |
PenguinDad |
*hovers |
| 18:17 |
sfan5 |
is that a yes? |
| 18:17 |
PenguinDad |
yes that's yes |
| 18:19 |
|
ThatGraemeGuy joined #minetest |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
sfan5, yes |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
pretty boats |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
tweaked (faster speed, faster turns) |
| 18:20 |
|
sylvieL joined #minetest |
| 18:20 |
BlockMen |
and the same fixes made in next :P |
| 18:22 |
|
john_minetest joined #minetest |
| 18:22 |
* sfan5 |
taps john_minetest |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
hi john_minetest |
| 18:27 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: >VLC |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, Pavucontrol can change sound volume per ear |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
alsamixer then? |
| 18:30 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: which internet radio? |
| 18:31 |
sfan5 |
link? |
| 18:31 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: PulseAudio bases on ALSA http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio |
| 18:32 |
PenguinDad |
john_minetest: use JACK with a real time kernel then |
| 18:32 |
|
jp__ joined #minetest |
| 18:32 |
asie |
PenguinDad: that's actually what my friend uses |
| 18:32 |
asie |
he finds it far easier to apply effects to audio in JACK than in PA |
| 18:33 |
asie |
i personally just stay with ALSA |
| 18:33 |
|
NakedFury joined #minetest |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
<john_minetest> pulse is laggy. bad latency. |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
there are settings to tweak I |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
there shouldn't be any noticeable latency by default with HyperThreading |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: what if you don't have HT? |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
then try to tweak it |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
~buy a new one~ |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
john_minetest, dedicated sound card? |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
sfan5, these have no point in 2014 for 99% of users |
| 18:40 |
jp__ |
http://i.imgur.com/FgRFgW6.png |
| 18:42 |
|
Zaynah joined #minetest |
| 18:43 |
|
Zaynah joined #minetest |
| 18:43 |
* Megaf |
prefers OSS |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
Open Sound System |
| 18:44 |
* PenguinDad |
prefers RTOSS |
| 18:44 |
|
nman3600 joined #minetest |
| 18:45 |
PenguinDad |
Really True Open Sound system |
| 18:45 |
* asie |
prefers cat sound.raw > /dev/... |
| 18:45 |
nman3600 |
hi |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
OSS is old |
| 18:45 |
nman3600 |
Krock, You've got to change the stone brick recipe on your server 4 stone = 1 stone brick should be 4 stone = 4 stone brick |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
jp__, we like the picture in the middle. |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
asie: That's a good one |
| 18:46 |
jp__ |
We ? |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
nman3600, why? |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
sarcasm |
| 18:46 |
nman3600 |
Krock me and Rhys are finding it annoying |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
get more furnaces then |
| 18:46 |
jp__ |
Ah, I see well what picture you like, naturally ;) |
| 18:47 |
nman3600 |
Krock that's not the problem it's that having to use loads of stone for 1 bit of stone brick at a time |
| 18:47 |
nman3600 |
it's a waste of stoen |
| 18:47 |
nman3600 |
stone* |
| 18:47 |
|
Vazon joined #minetest |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
nman, it's not a waste- would you prefer 2x slower cobble digging? |
| 18:48 |
nman3600 |
If it means getting 4 stone brick at a time then yes |
| 18:48 |
Krock |
s/2x/4x |
| 18:48 |
|
werwerwer joined #minetest |
| 18:51 |
nman3600 |
Krock i'm not saying you've got to change it. Some People will prefer it changed. It's your server. |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel, did you pull request your lighting changes (lighting angle)? |
| 18:57 |
Megaf |
Good article about sound on Linux http://tuxradar.com/content/how-it-works-linux-audio-explained#null |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
it really is |
| 19:02 |
Calinou |
Megaf, it's often said to suck, but actually doesn't |
| 19:04 |
jp__ |
sfan5 : could you create a function in WE that when you place a //pos1 (-> the summit), it create a mountain under the pos to the ground ? |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
maybe |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
file an issue on github |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
I'll forget it otherwise |
| 19:05 |
jp__ |
It would be great ! |
| 19:06 |
Megaf |
OSS is the best we have for low latency |
| 19:06 |
jp__ |
I'm not familiar with github... :/ |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
probably Jack |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
it's designed for low latency and specific usae |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
usage |
| 19:09 |
|
Tux[Qyou] joined #minetest |
| 19:11 |
Megaf |
but Jack still needs ALSA or OSS |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
alsa or oss is not the latency problem |
| 19:13 |
jp__ |
sfan5 : in fact, it must be place //pos1 for the summit, and //pos2 (pos1 <-> pos2 = radius) on the ground for the mountain width. |
| 19:14 |
|
tredory joined #minetest |
| 19:15 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix AppData path for RUN_IN_PLACE, fixes #1365 5b3bbde1ef 2014-06-13T21:09:55+02:00 http://git.io/p5Myiw |
| 19:17 |
|
sapier joined #minetest |
| 19:18 |
sapier |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389 Android port is almost done, there are just a few gliches left, none of those (I know about) is mission critical |
| 19:18 |
sapier |
please test and verify there aren't unknown critical bugs |
| 19:18 |
khonkhortisan |
ooh an apk file, I could download that to a simulator |
| 19:19 |
LemonLake |
or just get an android to actually test it |
| 19:19 |
Megaf |
sapier: we need a port for Intel |
| 19:20 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Did you fix the unlimited pitch bug? |
| 19:20 |
Megaf |
it works already on Intel? |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
sapier: and why you no host the apks on github? |
| 19:22 |
Megaf |
or dropbox |
| 19:22 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf: GitHub only hosts source tarballs. |
| 19:23 |
ShadowNinja |
john_minetest: No, they're renamed zipballs. |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
everyone should |
| 19:24 |
Megaf |
they dont because windows |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
.tgz, .tbz, .txz :> |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
(not sure if .txz is anything official) |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: I never heard of .tbz |
| 19:30 |
|
asl joined #minetest |
| 19:30 |
PenguinDad |
living with only 200 kbit/s is fun |
| 19:30 |
Calinou |
or .tb2 |
| 19:30 |
|
the-loop-digga joined #minetest |
| 19:34 |
PenguinDad |
I bet because of windows |
| 19:37 |
LemonLake |
argh |
| 19:37 |
LemonLake |
trying to make this cup look right in blender but when subdividing it, with cc it looks like a condom and with simple it doesn't change anything |
| 19:37 |
LemonLake |
>.< |
| 19:38 |
|
skittle_ joined #minetest |
| 19:39 |
skittle_ |
.. |
| 19:39 |
skittle_ |
did i press the right minetest/ |
| 19:39 |
LemonLake |
What do you need, skittle_? |
| 19:43 |
|
iqualfragile joined #minetest |
| 19:44 |
|
asie joined #minetest |
| 19:55 |
Megaf |
CraigyDavi: I don't know if I can fix that, that happens on table saws too |
| 19:55 |
LemonLake |
I made a thing. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cmKYMBrpmOVr.png |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
LemonLake: a Condom? |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
Just kidding |
| 19:56 |
LemonLake |
A cup. You dirty minded prick lol |
| 19:56 |
CraigyDavi |
Megaf, You don't think you can fix what? |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
LemonLake: looks like a good cup |
| 19:56 |
Megaf |
sorry, sometimes I forget we dont have shared memory |
| 19:57 |
Megaf |
CraigyDavi: https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/3 |
| 19:57 |
LemonLake |
Megaf: I know what you were on about :P |
| 19:58 |
CraigyDavi |
Megaf, Ah okay |
| 19:58 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/3#issuecomment-46053590 |
| 19:58 |
Megaf |
^ sapier |
| 19:59 |
Megaf |
what you think? |
| 20:00 |
Taoki |
Hi. Does anyone know why minetest.set_player_privs isn't working at all? |
| 20:00 |
LemonLake |
Have you tried using it right? |
| 20:00 |
LemonLake |
Send a code snip ^.^ |
| 20:00 |
Taoki |
I followed the example on the minetest page |
| 20:02 |
Taoki |
minetest.set_player_privs("singleplayer", {interact=false}) The example I tried which clearly doesn't work locally |
| 20:02 |
LemonLake |
singleplayer privs aren't saved afaik |
| 20:03 |
Taoki |
They are, as they work and are modified with the /grant command |
| 20:05 |
|
WindHero joined #minetest |
| 20:10 |
BlockMen |
Taoki, not sure (because i never done anything with privs), but maybe use nil instead of false? |
| 20:12 |
PenguinDad |
Taoki: you can't remove singleplayer's base privs like interact and shout |
| 20:13 |
Taoki |
PenguinDad: It doesn't work for fly either |
| 20:16 |
|
khor joined #minetest |
| 20:18 |
BlockMen |
Taoki, it works: minetest.set_player_privs("singleplayer", {fly=nil}) |
| 20:19 |
Taoki |
Ah... ok. Then the documentation might be wrong |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
(or get_privs_table, set "fly"=nil and tabl_to_privs |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
) |
| 20:20 |
|
rubenwardy joined #minetest |
| 20:20 |
rubenwardy |
Yo! |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
Me! |
| 20:20 |
Vazon |
Hey Megaf :) |
| 20:20 |
Megaf |
Hi |
| 20:20 |
ShadowNinja |
Taoki: That sets the privileges, removing all old ones. Just use {}. |
| 20:21 |
ShadowNinja |
It's not add_privs, it's set_pivs. |
| 20:21 |
ShadowNinja |
privs* |
| 20:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Use get_player_privs first if you want to change privs. |
| 20:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Individual privs that is. |
| 20:23 |
ShadowNinja |
Using privilege lists instead of tables would be cleaner, but slightly less optimized. |
| 20:23 |
ShadowNinja |
(And harder to check) |
| 20:25 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja do you have any idea why the dropondie mod, when a player dies there tools fully repair and technic tools drain??? and is there anyway to stop them from reseting? |
| 20:26 |
ShadowNinja |
their* You aren't preserving wear and metadata. |
| 20:26 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Using to_string drops those properties. |
| 20:27 |
ShadowNinja |
So make sure you use to_table or actual ItemStack objects. |
| 20:27 |
Vazon |
ok, if i paste the code can you give me a fix??? |
| 20:27 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Maybe. |
| 20:27 |
Vazon |
kk give me a sec and thanks |
| 20:30 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640620/ |
| 20:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: -env: And you're using get_name()..' '..get_count(). Lemme see what the API supports... |
| 20:33 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 20:33 |
ShadowNinja |
"name is ItemStack, itemstring or table." |
| 20:33 |
ShadowNinja |
So just pass the itemstack |
| 20:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Also, you can reduce indentation by doing "if not obj then return end" |
| 20:39 |
Vazon |
i dont see what part you are talking about shadow |
| 20:40 |
Taoki |
BlockMen: Apparently, privs not in that list are automatically set to false. Any way around that? |
| 20:42 |
BlockMen |
Taoki, "20:10 BlockMen ... (because i never done anything with privs)" |
| 20:42 |
BlockMen |
i guess you ask the wrong person ;) |
| 20:42 |
Taoki |
ok :) |
| 20:44 |
Amaz |
Has anyone go any ideas why this isn't working? minetest.register_alias("mapgen_water", "colourcubes_mapgen:nyan_source") |
| 20:44 |
Amaz |
minetest.register_alias("default:water_source", "colourcubes_mapgen:nyan_source") |
| 20:44 |
Amaz |
Just leaves normal water... |
| 20:48 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja: I dont understand what your saying to change |
| 20:49 |
|
VanessaE joined #minetest |
| 20:51 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Pass the itemstack to add_item, instead of converting it to a partial itemstring. |
| 20:52 |
Vazon |
I have no idea what you mean by pass the itemstack, this kinda mod isnt my thing. that is why i asked |
| 20:55 |
LemonLake |
minetest.env:add_item(pos, istack) |
| 20:55 |
LemonLake |
i think he means that |
| 20:55 |
Vazon |
Lemon where would i put that??? |
| 20:55 |
LemonLake |
where you previously have used it |
| 20:55 |
Vazon |
this isnt my mod, i didnt make it so i havent used it anywhere :P |
| 20:56 |
LemonLake |
line 3 of your paste |
| 20:56 |
Vazon |
o ok |
| 20:57 |
LemonLake |
ShadowNinja: there was correct |
| 20:58 |
|
rubenwardy1 joined #minetest |
| 20:58 |
LemonLake |
+1 for btinternet |
| 21:00 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640757/ |
| 21:01 |
LemonLake |
^ |
| 21:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: A lot of the other code is no longer needed, and that dumps all lists, not just main and craft. |
| 21:01 |
Vazon |
ok, even armor? |
| 21:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes. |
| 21:01 |
Vazon |
bags? |
| 21:01 |
LemonLake |
everything in the inventory |
| 21:02 |
ShadowNinja |
Well, it if's done with player inventories. |
| 21:02 |
LemonLake |
unified inventory bags are, i know that |
| 21:02 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 21:02 |
ShadowNinja |
Lemme check if that set_lists line will really clear everything... |
| 21:02 |
Vazon |
so that paste that you jsut gave me is all i need? |
| 21:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Yes, it won't clear the inventory properly though. One sec... |
| 21:03 |
Vazon |
kk |
| 21:04 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640765/ |
| 21:05 |
Taoki |
Is it possible to do inventory:set_size("main", 0)? I have a mod where I want player inventory to be 0 entirely |
| 21:05 |
Taoki |
Or is 1 the smallest value? |
| 21:05 |
LemonLake |
the player to have NO inventory? o.o |
| 21:05 |
Taoki |
yeah |
| 21:06 |
Taoki |
I need it for a mod of mine |
| 21:06 |
LemonLake |
that might cause a lot of problems with other mods where they add something to inventories |
| 21:06 |
FreeFull |
Huh, I generated a big amount of blocks in a watershed world, but the map.sqlite file is only 32MB |
| 21:06 |
|
WindHero joined #minetest |
| 21:06 |
FreeFull |
Do watershed worlds compress well or such? |
| 21:07 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja i replaced everything with that last paste you gave me and it crashed |
| 21:08 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Error message? |
| 21:08 |
WindHero |
no better or worse than any others, FreeFull |
| 21:08 |
WindHero |
The only difference is that there are a handful of extra node types |
| 21:08 |
FreeFull |
Would you expect it to be just 32MB if you generated a bunch of chunks but didn't modify most of them? |
| 21:09 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640788/ |
| 21:09 |
m5 |
LemonLake, You made a comment yesterday |
| 21:09 |
m5 |
It's not young, it's been online for about a year |
| 21:09 |
WindHero |
it hardly matters if you modify them |
| 21:09 |
Taoki |
Awesome, 0-sized inventory actually works |
| 21:10 |
WindHero |
minetest isn't *that* efficient with maps |
| 21:10 |
WindHero |
...afaik |
| 21:11 |
LemonLake |
m5: Sorry? |
| 21:11 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Try this: |
| 21:11 |
ShadowNinja |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640804/ |
| 21:11 |
|
ligeti joined #minetest |
| 21:11 |
|
ligeti joined #minetest |
| 21:11 |
m5 |
LemonLake, ~You're getting ahead of yourself... |
| 21:11 |
ligeti |
Hello :) |
| 21:11 |
m5 |
Something like that |
| 21:11 |
* m5 |
looks at logs |
| 21:12 |
LemonLake |
Whatever |
| 21:13 |
m5 |
Jun 12 20:57:02 <LemonLake>you're getting ahead of yourself |
| 21:13 |
m5 |
Jun 12 20:56:58 <LemonLake>your server is quite young |
| 21:13 |
LemonLake |
Okay. |
| 21:14 |
LemonLake |
Never realised. You kept acting like it was brand new. |
| 21:14 |
Vazon |
ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640816/ crashed again |
| 21:16 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640828/ |
| 21:17 |
m5 |
The name changed from MarkTwain to Atomicon and back |
| 21:17 |
m5 |
It is a new map though |
| 21:18 |
|
jordan4ibanez joined #minetest |
| 21:18 |
Vazon |
Much better thanks. |
| 21:20 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 21:20 |
Vazon |
armor drops fine, but the bags duplicate Shadow |
| 21:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: Hmmm, bags might store themselves in a weird way... |
| 21:22 |
Vazon |
it droped the items out of the bag just fine and they didnt replicate but it droped a bag but it stayed in the slot and was empty and still useable and so i had 2 bags then |
| 21:24 |
Vazon |
cna you change it to just the items in the bags drop but not the bags them selfs? |
| 21:25 |
ShadowNinja |
Vazon: It seems like the items in the bags are stored with the player, but not the bags themselves, which is backwards. |
| 21:25 |
ShadowNinja |
But the bags shouldn't drop, while the items should. |
| 21:25 |
LemonLake |
Also, Vazon: We're here to help you but not write everything for you |
| 21:25 |
LemonLake |
Perhaps you could start learning how inventories work, the dev wiki has a lot on them |
| 21:25 |
Vazon |
yes i know this Lemon, i dont know inventory |
| 21:28 |
CaveJohnson |
you called? |
| 21:29 |
LemonLake |
john_minetest: u wot m8 |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
... |
| 21:29 |
Jordach |
damn that was fast |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
...... |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
... |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
........ |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
.. |
| 21:29 |
Chell |
..... |
| 21:29 |
Jordach |
DAMN THAT WAS FAST |
| 21:29 |
LemonLake |
stop |
| 21:30 |
PenguinDad |
!rev DAMN THAT WAS FAST |
| 21:30 |
MinetestBot |
TSAF SAW TAHT NMAD |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
oh wtf |
| 21:30 |
nman3600 |
lol NMAD is close to nman |
| 21:30 |
Krock |
ShadowBot isn't here = no automatic kicking? |
| 21:30 |
Jordach |
my keyboard has done it again |
| 21:31 |
nman3600 |
!rev my keyboard has done it again |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
niaga ti enod sah draobyek ym |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
regallager |
| 21:31 |
nman3600 |
!rev race car |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
rac ecar |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
.moorhtab a ton - rotavele na dellac s'gniht tahT !ereht nwod pu netsil ,yeH |
| 21:31 |
nman3600 |
!rev racecar |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
racecar |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
adsfaskllksafsda |
| 21:32 |
nman3600 |
!rev Minetest is the best minecraft similar game ever |
| 21:32 |
MinetestBot |
reve emag ralimis tfarcenim tseb eht si tseteniM |
| 21:32 |
LemonLake |
omfg |
| 21:32 |
nman3600 |
can you reverse rainbow? |
| 21:32 |
MinetestBot |
reve enolc tsetenim esrow eht si tfarceniM |
| 21:32 |
PenguinDad |
!rev Epic Rainwub |
| 21:32 |
MinetestBot |
buwniaR cipE |
| 21:32 |
ShadowNinja |
nman3600: MTB doesn't support nested commands, so no. |
| 21:33 |
nman3600 |
:( |
| 21:33 |
LemonLake |
you can do this tho |
| 21:33 |
LemonLake |
!rainbow Rainbow |
| 21:33 |
MinetestBot |
4R4a4i7n7b7o8w |
| 21:33 |
Jordach |
yay |
| 21:33 |
Jordach |
solved why my keyboard fucked me around |
| 21:33 |
MinetestBot |
i ,worc al ,week |
| 21:33 |
Jordach |
alt + shift = en_US |
| 21:33 |
LemonLake |
then rev that (if your client supports copying colors) |
| 21:33 |
nman3600 |
!rev wobniar! |
| 21:33 |
MinetestBot |
!rainbow |
| 21:33 |
m5 |
nman3600, Hi |
| 21:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Enough with the bot. |
| 21:34 |
nman3600 |
m5, yo |
| 21:34 |
PenguinDad |
!rev RAINBOW |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
W20\x03O11\x03B01\x03N90\x03I30\x03A80\x03R70\x03 |
| 21:34 |
Krock |
!rev !rainbow NYANNYANNYANNYAN |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
NAYNNAYNNAYNNAYN wobniar! |
| 21:34 |
Krock |
lol |
| 21:34 |
LemonLake |
wobniar... genius |
| 21:34 |
nman3600 |
!rev wobniar! hi |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
ih !rainbow |
| 21:34 |
nman3600 |
!rev hi wobniar! |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
!rainbow ih |
| 21:34 |
m5 |
!wobinar |
| 21:34 |
Jordach |
quit it. |
| 21:34 |
LemonLake |
^ |
| 21:34 |
LemonLake |
what jordach said |
| 21:34 |
LemonLake |
its annoying |
| 21:34 |
* Krock |
hides |
| 21:35 |
* nman3600 |
blames MinetestBot |
| 21:35 |
* PenguinDad |
fetches his cape |
| 21:35 |
* LemonLake |
blames nman3600 |
| 21:35 |
nman3600 |
i didn't start it! |
| 21:35 |
* m5 |
hides |
| 21:35 |
nman3600 |
IT WAS PenguinDad |
| 21:35 |
LemonLake |
Jordach, my fluid isn't accepting the cup as an obstacle |
| 21:35 |
* Krock |
thinks, m5 hides tooslow |
| 21:35 |
m5 |
<PenguinDad> !rev RAINBOW |
| 21:35 |
nman3600 |
GE STARTED IT |
| 21:35 |
LemonLake |
the particles sorta wrap around the cup lid but apart from that they just go right through it |
| 21:36 |
nman3600 |
he* |
| 21:36 |
Jordach |
LemonLake, you made sure the object has *thickness*? |
| 21:36 |
Krock |
Ey, who started chatting? |
| 21:36 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: just shut up |
| 21:36 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: Thickness? |
| 21:36 |
Jordach |
and is an obstacle |
| 21:36 |
* nman3600 |
shuts this up object |
| 21:36 |
Krock |
nman3600, yeah. listen to your bro :P |
| 21:36 |
nman3600 |
Krock, nein |
| 21:36 |
Krock |
Y |
| 21:37 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: I am literally six yards from you |
| 21:37 |
PenguinDad |
up:shut(true) |
| 21:37 |
LemonLake |
I will strangle you if I must |
| 21:37 |
nman3600 |
LemonLake i know |
| 21:37 |
Jordach |
LemonLake, get a picture while you're at it |
| 21:37 |
PenguinDad |
LemonLake: use MISSINGNO. |
| 21:37 |
nman3600 |
I honestly don't give a shit |
| 21:37 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: Will do |
| 21:37 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: You will when you get strangled. |
| 21:38 |
MinetestBot |
4!4r4e7v7 7!8r8a8i3n3b3ow |
| 21:38 |
|
ShadowBot joined #minetest |
| 21:38 |
LemonLake |
He spat all over his arm. |
| 21:38 |
LemonLake |
Disgusting. |
| 21:38 |
Jordach |
hey ShadowBot |
| 21:38 |
ShadowBot |
Hello Jordach! |
| 21:38 |
nman3600 |
ahh you crushed me |
| 21:38 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: What is this thickness you speak of? |
| 21:39 |
PenguinDad |
<3 ShadowNinja |
| 21:39 |
PenguinDad |
derp |
| 21:39 |
PenguinDad |
<3 ShadowBot |
| 21:39 |
ShadowBot |
04♥ PenguinDad. |
| 21:39 |
Jordach |
LemonLake, instead of just thin planes, you need to add a second face behind or in front of it by extruding or using solidify |
| 21:39 |
Krock |
~give Krock bed |
| 21:39 |
ShadowBot |
Krock: <bed> |
| 21:39 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: Seen |
| 21:39 |
Krock |
thx, ShadowBot |
| 21:39 |
LemonLake |
Testing dat |
| 21:40 |
Jordach |
LemonLake, is it also a liquid obstacle? |
| 21:40 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: Yep, hence why it sorta wraps around a bit |
| 21:40 |
Jordach |
hmmm |
| 21:40 |
LemonLake |
I'm making it thick now |
| 21:43 |
LemonLake |
Jordach: still, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mp7g9DcvTCJj.png |
| 21:44 |
LemonLake |
thickness was set to 0.1810, it's the only one I can get it to without it looking weird |
| 21:46 |
|
ligeti joined #minetest |
| 21:46 |
|
ligeti joined #minetest |
| 21:49 |
|
ShadowBot joined #minetest |
| 21:54 |
|
KingsleyT joined #minetest |
| 21:58 |
|
Freejack joined #minetest |
| 22:00 |
|
Firebat|Off joined #minetest |
| 22:00 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 22:00 |
|
Firebat joined #minetest |
| 22:02 |
Jordach |
Taoki, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2m-mcYZ83Xky.png |
| 22:02 |
Jordach |
fite me m8 |
| 22:03 |
|
blaise joined #minetest |
| 22:03 |
Taoki |
Nice! |
| 22:03 |
Jordach |
i don't need your Cycles |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
so can someone remind me again how to enable jungles on a map? |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
now that it's changed yet again? |
| 22:03 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, YAUCC |
| 22:03 |
Jordach |
Yet another useless conf change |
| 22:04 |
WindHero |
Holy yams |
| 22:05 |
WindHero |
I left minetest running in the background after telling it to print two values during mapgen |
| 22:05 |
WindHero |
now my debug.txt is 22 MB |
| 22:05 |
Jordach |
pastebin |
| 22:05 |
Jordach |
plz |
| 22:05 |
WindHero |
I'll just paste a portion |
| 22:05 |
Jordach |
>a portion |
| 22:05 |
Jordach |
not enough :D |
| 22:07 |
WindHero |
oh wait |
| 22:07 |
WindHero |
looks like most of it was from testing the biome map loader |
| 22:08 |
WindHero |
it was only 2.26 MB of new stuff :P |
| 22:09 |
WindHero |
bah |
| 22:09 |
WindHero |
797.05664634705 |
| 22:09 |
WindHero |
768 |
| 22:09 |
WindHero |
796.93373680115 |
| 22:09 |
WindHero |
768 |
| 22:10 |
WindHero |
about 300 lines of that ^ |
| 22:10 |
WindHero |
pastebin nearly crashed the browser when I wanted to paste 2 MB |
| 22:14 |
LemonLake |
it doesnt let you paste more than a certain number of bytes |
| 22:16 |
WindHero |
yeah |
| 22:16 |
BlockMen |
gd night everyone |
| 22:16 |
WindHero |
g'night |
| 22:17 |
|
BlockMen left #minetest |
| 22:17 |
* WindHero |
looks at clock saying 12:21 p.m. |
| 22:17 |
|
tim_flatus joined #minetest |
| 22:21 |
tim_flatus |
Hello, I'd like to talk to you about ore distribution. "Sheet" mode crashes my game. I'm running 0.4.9. Adding noise_params doesn't appear to affect anything, same with noise__threshhold. As I have no idea what values to expect for noise (-1 to +1 ?) I'm flailing around in the dark. |
| 22:22 |
LemonLake |
tim_flatus: tried a git version? |
| 22:22 |
tim_flatus |
That's adding noise_params to "scatter" distribution. Yes I have read the !verbose api. |
| 22:23 |
tim_flatus |
LemonLake: no |
| 22:23 |
LemonLake |
whoa whoa whoa |
| 22:23 |
LemonLake |
since when was minetest on the software manager? |
| 22:25 |
tim_flatus |
It is in Debian testing |
| 22:25 |
LemonLake |
tim_flatus Try getting a git version |
| 22:25 |
tim_flatus |
I don't want to right now. |
| 22:27 |
tim_flatus |
I want to build the game against the stable version. I can wait and use the scatter method for now. |
| 22:28 |
tim_flatus |
If it doesn't work in 0.4.9, this would explain why nobody understands how to use the noise parameters ;-) |
| 22:32 |
tim_flatus |
It would be nice to have coal seams and gem veins, but it's not a biggie. Overall game play is more important. |
| 22:36 |
m5 |
"People with open apartament doors will be kicked out of their apartament." :P |
| 22:54 |
Artemis3 |
good i left the door closed |
| 22:55 |
Artemis3 |
not like i remember what server that was (with the apartments) |
| 22:56 |
m5 |
Mah server |
| 22:56 |
tim_flatus |
Seems a little draconian |
| 23:01 |
|
Hirato joined #minetest |
| 23:03 |
|
ImQ009 joined #minetest |
| 23:04 |
Artemis3 |
game needs proper elevator, with elevator music |
| 23:04 |
Artemis3 |
and bell when reaching floor |
| 23:04 |
LemonLake |
yes |
| 23:18 |
|
WindHero joined #minetest |
| 23:19 |
|
ligeti joined #minetest |
| 23:32 |
|
Enke joined #minetest |
| 23:37 |
|
kizeren joined #minetest |
| 23:40 |
|
tim_flatus left #minetest |
