IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-02

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00:10	floriel	ShadowNinja your tip was exactly what I was looking for, thanks
00:18	floriel	now I'm stuck with another problem: I try to figure out how much pieces of an item are contained in the players inventory
00:19	floriel	contains_item("listname", stack) only tells me if a stack of the given size is contained, but I need the total amount
00:20	floriel	has anybody an idea?
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00:24	ShadowNinja	floriel: Iterating through the inventory again. Use get_name() and get_count().
00:25	floriel	hm, seems like the API could use some additional methods ;-)
00:26	ShadowNinja	Getting the count throughout the whole inventory isn't a very common operation, and it can be done without a C++ method. But feel free to add one.
00:32	floriel	the methods of the InvRef object are part of the c/c++ core and not lua, right?
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06:27	kanabris	hi
06:28	kanabris	helllloooo
06:29	kanabris	heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
06:29	kanabris	anyone here?
06:29	CraigyDavi	hi
06:29	kanabris	ohh good
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06:30	kanabris	what is that this chat?
06:31	kanabris	I'm designer 3D
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06:31	kanabris	I work with blender game engine
06:31	kanabris	andd
06:31	Mimilus	plop evereybody
06:32	kanabris	I like participation in programming this game
06:32	Mimilus	Is there a possibility to keep texture top and bottom aligned in the same direction for nodeboxes wich used facedir for the placement ?
06:32	kanabris	yes
06:33	kanabris	I guess
06:35	kanabris	Who is responsible here?
06:35	asie	hello
06:35	kanabris	hi asie
06:35	kanabris	Who is responsible here?
06:36	kanabris	heeeeeellloooooo?
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06:44	Mimilus	How must i do to keep all the botom and top texture of nodeboxes aligned to the north ?
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07:09	MinetestBot	GIT: zeframfysh.org commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Don't allow non-inventory items as ingredients b64fea4f70 2014-05-02T09:07:52+02:00 http://git.io/
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07:28	nore	^ sfan5, MinetestBot is bugged...
07:31	VanessaE	already mentioned it once :P
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08:23	Mimilus	Is there a possibility to keep texture top and bottom aligned in the same direction for nodeboxes wich used facedir for the placement ?
08:23	Mimilus	How must i do to keep all the botom and top texture of nodeboxes aligned to the north ?
08:46	Mimilus	Is it possible ?
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09:07	VanessaE	bbl
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09:26	Mikerhinos	hi
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09:45	Calinou	hi
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10:07	Jordach	easiest. achievement. ever.
10:07	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YuDRpekGD1Kp.png
10:07	asie	Jordach: Which edition of Minetest is "the best fucking edition of Minetest ever"?
10:08	Jordach	asie, manually added a game to steam
10:08	asie	I know
10:08	asie	but which edition /is/ it?
10:08	Jordach	had to annoy hoodedice with it
10:09	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-EpWla8mUGdt.png
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10:48	Jordach	sfan5, http://www.ebuyer.com/620311-hp-255-g1-laptop-with-ubuntu-h6q17ea-abu
10:53	RealBadAngel	thats a nice price
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10:55	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:55	Jordach	PilzAdam, found a HP laptop with Ubuntu preloaded
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11:07	RealBadAngel	hi PilzAdam
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11:24	RealBadAngel	propably have to lay on the shelf for the next half a yr, as usual ;)
11:29	Megaf	Good Morning
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12:13	Exio4	more like until someone fixes something in it and then gets merged
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12:14	Exio4	fixes something trivial
12:14	PilzAdam	this are more than 4 lines in the signature: https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9829
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12:23	sfan5	meow
12:23	sfan5	hi everyone
12:23	sfan5	hi Jordach
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12:39	* Megaf	barks at sfan5
12:39	sfan5	meow
12:40	* john_minetest	gives sfan a <'((((-<
12:40	Jordach	PilzAdam, done
12:40	sfan5	meow
12:40	* sfan5	purrs at john_minetest
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12:50	Mimilus	here http://dev.minetest.net/Node_Drawtypes It is writted that "normal use 8 tiles", node has 6 faces, what are this 2 other tiles ???
12:51	NekoGloop	Mimilus: clearly, up its ass
12:52	NekoGloop	those are appended on top of the dirt textures
12:53	* NekoGloop	pokes VanessaE
12:53	Mimilus	the other use ^ symbol ???
12:55	crazyR__	http://dev.minetest.net/Formspec_json <-- this looks so sexy, has it not been implemented yet?
12:57	sfan5	>sexy
12:57	sfan5	have you been drinking?
12:57	sfan5	john_minetest: a branch for bluetooth multiplayer will be read to test
12:58	sfan5	ready*
12:58	crazyR__	nore, but really the current method is madnes. json would make things so much easier :D
12:58	crazyR__	*no
12:58	PilzAdam	lolwat
12:58	sfan5	I'm looking forward to 0.5.0 so I can completly break formspecs and make them better
12:59	crazyR__	lol
12:59	PilzAdam	json is absolutely not readable
12:59	sfan5	^
12:59	crazyR__	really and stings like the formspec are?
13:00	PilzAdam	of course not
13:00	PilzAdam	formspecs were designed for simple list based inventories
13:00	PilzAdam	and they work perfectly fine for that
13:01	PilzAdam	this whole formspec Lua menu crap just abused the shit out of it
13:01	crazyR__	but mod developers want more than that and are trying to make use of what they have.. so doesnt that say it needs a change?
13:02	PilzAdam	thats quite obvious
13:03	crazyR__	so is there anything being done?
13:03	PilzAdam	[14:58:58] <sfan5> I'm looking forward to 0.5.0 so I can completly break formspecs and make them better
13:03	crazyR__	yeah but how far away is that?
13:03	sfan5	very far
13:04	crazyR__	my point exactly
13:04	sfan5	we basically can't really improve formspecs without breaking mod support
13:04	sfan5	stuff is supposed to break in 0.5.0 anyway so we can do that there
13:04	crazyR__	have legacy?
13:04	sfan5	lolno
13:04	PilzAdam	also a client side API would help in designing the GUI
13:04	sfan5	I'm not writing a parser for that shitty formspec string
13:05	sfan5	+(in Lua)
13:05	crazyR__	to be fair sfan, all it would need to do is check if its a string or (new format). if its a string, then continue with the old way. if its the new format do the new stuff
13:06	sfan5	yeah sure
13:06	sfan5	we add a new way and keep the old one
13:06	PilzAdam	we plan for 0.5 to remove all this old legacy code
13:06	sfan5	nobody will use the new one because the old one still works
13:06	PilzAdam	do you have an idea how much of this is already in Minetest?
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13:07	Exio4	what about a "working" branch of 0.5
13:07	sfan5	too much work to rebase
13:07	crazyR__	sfan5: if the new one works better and has more functionality then new mod will use it. and popular mods will convert.
13:07	sfan5	and everyone can work for his/herself
13:08	crazyR__	the saying is a workman is only as good as his tools, same applies to the people who make mods
13:08	sfan5	well
13:08	sfan5	it is not a good idea to add a new way while keeping the old one
13:08	sfan5	that would introduce way to much legacy code
13:10	crazyR__	how about modifying the hud then? to be fair user gui should probably have been based around that from the start anyhow
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13:13	crazyR__	i might be wrong, but forms cnt be created on the hud can they?
13:14	sfan5	>user gui should probably have been based around hud from the start anyhow
13:14	sfan5	no
13:14	sfan5	the hud system is for HUD elements, nothing else
13:15	crazyR__	so what would your suggestion be for menu's and other user gui, or should i say what did you have in mind in the next release
13:16	sfan5	nothing
13:16	crazyR__	? im confused. how do you intend to give mod developers ways to give the user a better experiance
13:18	sfan5	extend the current formspec system
13:18	crazyR__	ok great... so why can we not extend it now?
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13:20	sfan5	we can
13:20	sfan5	but we can not change the overall system
13:20	sfan5	like strings -> json
13:21	crazyR__	like you siad though theres already lots of legacy code in minetest, so ho wmuch worst would be having a little bit more in order to make this game much better. in terms of what modders can do and in terms of how the end user will enjoy it
13:22	sfan5	litte bit
13:22	sfan5	watz
13:22	sfan5	-z
13:22	sfan5	if we change the way formspecs are stored we need to rewrite the complete code for formspecs
13:22	sfan5	that is at least as much formspec code we have now
13:22	sfan5	we would end up with 2x the code we have now
13:23	sfan5	that is not a "litte bit"
13:26	crazyR__	im no expert but ive just searched the github repo for the word "formspec" and got 34 results. does that sound about right?
13:28	crazyR__	also is this all the all functions in formspec: http://dev.minetest.net/formspec or are there some unlisted ones?
13:28	sfan5	34 results does not indicate how much code is there
13:29	Sokomine	i'm using the formspecs to a great extend in my traders mod. it was a pain to use...but rewriting it to a new system probably wouldn't be much fun either....
13:29	sfan5	> it was a pain to use
13:29	sfan5	yes, ack, ack!
13:29	crazyR__	i will happily spend a few nights regexing them, for you to use to remake what you see as an ideal formspec. that way there wouldnt be twice the code?
13:30	Sokomine	the main problems i have with formspecs are: a) messages/labels that are longer than a few short words break at unexpected/unpredictable points. very bad for when you need a longer description for something
13:30	Sokomine	b) arrangement of formspec elements. it takes some trial and error to get them to fitting positions, and with diffrent font size, things might be diffrent again
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13:31	Exio4	crazyR__: formspecs aren't something easy to do, mainly because for each word you probably have 50+ lines of code for doing something
13:31	Exio4	easy to do in engine terms
13:32	Exio4	the few times i looked at the code, i basically had nightmares or something similar! :D
13:33	Sokomine	the next thing i'm planning on the mod side is some basic quest/rpg mob. basicly right-click the mob, get a formspec with a question and either predifined replies or a text input field. i'm afraid that'll all have to be textareas
13:39	PenguinDad	I have really no idea why everyone hates this minetest.get_player_sysinfo() thing
13:39	crazyR__	Exio4: I agree, the problem sfan he siad above is that he wasnt prepared to writea parser to convert the strings to what ever format he want to use. from my understanding, thats what is holdinghim back from doing the improvements he wishes todo in the next release. so my offer above is to write a parser for each of the formspec strings. allowing him to make it better
13:40	crazyR__	PenguinDad: I 100% agree with you
13:40	Exio4	PenguinDad: why does the server need to know so much data about the client
13:41	sfan5	Exio4: every website you visit known more than the server
13:41	sfan5	knows*
13:42	sfan5	and if sending you OS + version + arch is a threat for you you are using the wrong OS
13:42	sfan5	your*
13:42	Exio4	sfan5: change the UA
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13:42	crazyR__	Exio4: "so much" you make it sound like its alot.
13:42	Krock	Hello.
13:42	crazyR__	hi Krock
13:44	Exio4	and version of what? minetest?
13:44	Krock	crashtest 9.4.0
13:45	crazyR__	Exio4: Im intrested your using Tor currently i think. If your so bothered about privacy, why are you using a network that has ben heavily compramised. why are you not using a private vpn?
13:46	crazyR__	and i dont mean to be insulting neither, just a genral question
13:46	sfan5	Exio4: os version
13:46	Exio4	i'm not using tor for privacy reasons right now
13:46	Exio4	also, because i'm poor
13:46	sfan5	> heavily compramised >tor
13:46	sfan5	care to explain?
13:47	PenguinDad	it's easier for the nsa to crack your private vpn than tor
13:48	sfan5	^
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13:48	crazyR__	certain powers setup points in the network specificlly to collect data. and have setup softwares to detect behavour patterns, enabling them to link data to a certain persons unuiqe pattern
13:48	sfan5	>collect data
13:48	crazyR__	with tor its a game of if your lucky
13:48	sfan5	if you use tor you should not give anyone any data
13:48	sfan5	>link data to a certain persons unuiqe pattern
13:49	Exio4	can you repeat that last sentence
13:49	Exio4	i didn't understand it
13:49	sfan5	this is very hard to do
13:49	crazyR__	you give data when your browsing website, logging into websiote etc
13:49	sfan5	ARE YOU INSANE?
13:49	Exio4	first of all, use SSL, and i mostly use tor for 'talking' with hidden services
13:50	Krock	tor is useful for warez, not for chatting
13:50	crazyR__	yeah i must be, because im sat here explaining something that was leaked nearly a year ago.
13:50	Exio4	warez lol
13:50	sfan5	crazyR__: https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#AmITotallyAnonymous
13:51	sfan5	you should NEVER log into any service over tor (if you're not using TLS)
13:51	sfan5	Exio4: TLS*Ãœ
13:51	Exio4	crazyR__: tor is a tool, if you cut your leg with a chainsaw, was it chainsaw's fault?
13:51	sfan5	s/Ãœ//
13:51	Exio4	well, whatever
13:51	Exio4	:P
13:51	sfan5	https://www.howsmyssl.com/s/about.html#tls-vs-ssl
13:51	Exio4	i also only use tor for hidden services
13:52	Exio4	sfan5, what things need to be in a scripting language interface definition?
13:52	Exio4	(wtf :D)
13:52	sfan5	uh, what?
13:52	sfan5	why are you asking me this?
13:52	Exio4	basically, init/halt procedures, then add_definition_to_global_space, then add_definition_to_some_object/table/whatever, then runfile
13:53	Exio4	because you have some experience with minetest's scripting interface?
13:53	crazyR__	ok, so the recent heartbleed bug, thats been there for years un noticed. openssl is what many companies and organisation's. it was affected. so tor wasnt anymore secure than any other method
13:53	sfan5	>scripting language interface definition
13:53	sfan5	please reword that
13:53	Exio4	madeup sentence ftw
13:54	Exio4	sfan5, what things do you think are elemental in the API of a scripting language
13:54	sfan5	crazyR__: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2014-April/004340.html
13:54	sfan5	a scripting language has no api
13:54	Exio4	interface
13:55	sfan5	do you mean an API interface for a program (e.g. Minetest) for a scripting language (e.g. Lua)?
13:55	Exio4	the thing that would be between MT and Lua
13:55	sfan5	the api
13:55	sfan5	yes
13:55	sfan5	it obviously heavily depends on the program
13:56	Exio4	if you needed a simplified dumb-proof not powerful API
13:56	Exio4	what would you say it should have
13:57	sfan5	functions
13:57	sfan5	(sorry, but there is nothing to say in general)
13:59	Krock	sfan5, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYY5dN7rsDE#t=0:40
13:59	sfan5	!title
13:59	MinetestBot	sfan5: GebrÃ¼der Blattschuss - FrÃ¼hstÃ¼ck 1980 - YouTube
14:00	Krock	no idea why I sent this
14:00	crazyR__	sfan5: that basically shows that they are now rejecting relays that havebeen or maybe be affected by heartbleed. that still doesnt stop the fact that it has been useless for all this time, infact the the opposite, as it states there were just over 900 vulnerable relays. unless im reading it wrong.
14:00	sfan5	it has been useless for all this time
14:01	sfan5	[citation needed]
14:01	crazyR__	since the bug existed
14:01	sfan5	uhh no
14:01	PenguinDad	"Assertion '"Connection::getLocalStat we couldn't get our own peer? are you serious???" == 0' failed." I really love this error message
14:01	sfan5	there are more than 900 tor relays
14:01	sfan5	and relays can upgrade their version
14:01	crazyR__	There are a bit over 900
14:01	crazyR__	vulnerable relays in the latest consensus.
14:02	sfan5	yeah
14:02	sfan5	but there are way more non-vulnarable relays
14:04	crazyR__	that maybe so but 900 is still alot. and that makes it no more better than using the websites on your normal regular connection
14:05	sfan5	if you are researching something that is illegal in your country: no
14:07	crazyR__	i suppose that is diffrent, its a risk you have to accept either way. anyone determined enought to sniff out your browsing habbits and data etc, they will find a way
14:09	crazyR__	my favorite rule is: if it can be made, it can be broke.... if it can be broke it can be fixed. ie: security... if you make the worlds toughest encyption then someone with enough determination will brake it
14:09	sfan5	>anyone determined enought to sniff out your browsing habbits and data etc, they will find a way
14:09	sfan5	which data?
14:09	Exio4	so lets give up, i'll just use plain data
14:09	sfan5	what are "browsing habits"?
14:10	Exio4	tell the staff to take out my cloak, give all you root access to my computer
14:10	Exio4	if you wanted it you could have it anyway
14:10	crazyR__	lol Exio4 i have no issues with anyone using tor, i personally just dont see the point
14:10	Exio4	exactly
14:10	Exio4	it is just another layer
14:10	Exio4	by that way, we can say using TLS/SSL/encryption has no point
14:11	Exio4	and how is a private vpn different from tor? you're paying for something? even easier to track i guess
14:11	Exio4	unless you pay with cryptocoins.. but then we have the blockchain
14:13	Exio4	but wait, you could have got it by mining in some site
14:13	PenguinDad	the cake is not a lie! http://i.imgur.com/gkQKlqd.jpg
14:13	Exio4	normally, those pools have a thing where you can see who got X coins
14:14	Exio4	even if you set anonymous i guess you can track it down
14:14	Exio4	and then we could say that is a fake user with a fakeemail (fake-created-just-for-that-account) but then they have ip logs!
14:14	Exio4	i made you a nearly-impossible-without-full-control-of-all-servers-around way to track anyone
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14:20	Megaf	folks, can a big debug log increase lag?
14:23	CraigyDavi	Megaf, I'm pretty sure it does not
14:23	CraigyDavi	But it's always a good idea to clear it from time to time
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14:27	Krock	please-someone-fix-the-c++-mapper-and-compile-a-win32-version
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14:27	PilzAdam	Krock, see what happens when you mess around with your space and - key?
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14:28	Krock	PilzAdam-no-i-don't-see-what-happens-sorry
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14:29	zsoltisawesome_	hi!
14:29	zsoltisawesome_	sfan5: for you: http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=73238
14:30	* PenguinDad	slaps Krock
14:30	* Krock	-slaps-PenginDad
14:30	* zsoltisawesome_	slaps PenguinDad
14:30	sfan5	zsoltisawesome_: use pastie.org next time
14:30	sfan5	oh wait
14:30	sfan5	that is a .wav
14:31	zsoltisawesome_	ya
14:31	zsoltisawesome_	:P
14:31	sfan5	then use https://mediacru.sh next time
14:31	zsoltisawesome_	what?!?!
14:31	zsoltisawesome_	you can use that for .wav files?
14:31	zsoltisawesome_	cool
14:31	sfan5	yes
14:31	sfan5	you can host almost any media there
14:32	zsoltisawesome_	awesome
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14:34	zsoltisawesome_	PenguinDad: https://mediacru.sh/ab3WsVPK5PSx
14:34	zsoltisawesome_	Krock: ^
14:36	Krock	zsoltisawesome, what does it say? I'm not good in listening things
14:37	zsoltisawesome_	it says: PenguinDad shouldn't slap Krock
14:37	Krock	ok
14:38	sfan5	flap crop!
14:38	zsoltisawesome_	john_minetest: lol
14:40	zsoltisawesome_	hahaha
14:40	Jordach	if i wanted to hear robots, i'd listen to daft punk's old albums
14:40	sfan5	meow
14:40	sfan5	o/ Jordach
14:41	sfan5	john_minetest: here's what I did until just a minute ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f5b791929e035d78af3aff502ca119eac745e91e
14:43	Jordach	sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hw3cyCQrRHjv.png
14:43	sfan5	Jordach: https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/droptek-the-covenant
14:44	zsoltisawesome_	Jordach: UT2004 as in Unreal Tounament 2004?
14:44	Jordach	zsoltisawesome_, yes
14:44	zsoltisawesome_	fun!!
14:44	zsoltisawesome_	i always wanted that
14:44	Jordach	and of course, Age of Mythology cds
14:45	Jordach	(6 days till the HD release on Steam)
14:47	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qtntUIZ95iYW.png >:D (fucking with SoundHelix)
14:47	zsoltisawesome_	anything > winamp > WMP
14:47	Jordach	winamp doesn't crash like clementine on windows
14:49	zsoltisawesome_	brb
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14:56	zsoltisawesome_	john_minetest: haha
14:56	Krock	lo
14:56	CraigyDavi	john_minetest, supprising how accurate that is
14:56	Krock	l
14:56	* sfan5	meows at john_minetest
14:57	PilzAdam	Krock, you usually write "lol" in one line
14:57	zsoltisawesome_	PilzAdam: ...
14:57	Krock	PilzAdam, I can write l o l like i lol want
14:58	zsoltisawesome_	hhahahahahahaha
14:59	Krock	...
14:59	Krock	very blind
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15:36	zsoltisawesome_	harrison!
15:37	zsoltisawesome_	the wise person!
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15:41	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/sxVU-jPCRzc9.png
15:41	Jordach	BAM]#
15:41	Jordach	=]#
15:41	VanessaE	good morning
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15:44	Krock	good dinner time
15:44	sfan5	that is called afternoon then
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15:47	Exio4	http://www.redray.es/2014/vip-mix-07/
15:52	Megaf	New way I'm doing backups
15:52	whiskers75	Hello minetesters!
15:52	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
15:52	Megaf	rsync -avz Minetest/minetest/ userxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/media/External/Minetest_Backup
15:52	* sfan5	purrs at whiskers75
15:52	Megaf	That's my new way of backing up things
15:52	* whiskers75	purrs and headbutts Megaf (a kitty sign of affection)
15:52	whiskers75	kitty approves
15:52	sfan5	Megaf: +1 for rsync
15:53	Krock	Das Beste fÃ¼r die Nierchen - - sind - - die Bierchen :D
15:53	whiskers75	i'm sorry wat
15:53	Exio4	what
15:53	Megaf	actually, thats a plan b backup, I do two backups, I tar zcvf one and the rsync one
15:53	whiskers75	NCMPCPP FTW
15:53	Megaf	Hi whiskers75 sfan5 :)
15:53	whiskers75	also
15:53	whiskers75	I really should work on the WJTHWT
15:54	Exio4	hi Megaf & sfan5 & whiskers75 & anyone here
15:54	Megaf	tar zcvf on local server and rsync on a remote one
15:54	Megaf	so even if my server catches fires I will have a backup
15:54	Megaf	Hi Exio4
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15:57	zsoltisawesome_	Connection reset by beer :P
15:58	Krock	:)
15:58	PenguinDad	I prefer Connection reset by pilz :p
16:00	zsoltisawesome_	haha
16:02	ShadowNinja	/msg peer Stop reseting peoples connections! ;-)
16:02	zsoltisawesome_	thats a new o
16:02	zsoltisawesome_	lol
16:02	ShadowNinja	I'm on a channel will peer and people tell him that often. :-D
16:02	ShadowNinja	with*
16:03	ShadowNinja	(On a different network)
16:03	zsoltisawesome_	haha
16:03	zsoltisawesome_	i messaged freenode peer
16:03	zsoltisawesome_	XD
16:04	zsoltisawesome_	"peer: idle for 41 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, 52 seconds"
16:05	PenguinDad	hmmmâ€¦ it doesn't exist as long as the network
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16:06	zsoltisawesome_	haha: ":orwell.freenode.net 432 ndrku NickServ :Erroneous Nickname"
16:06	PenguinDad	1984 is real!
16:06	zsoltisawesome_	what?
16:06	liudas	hello fellows. i wounder where i should look at to solve such situation: one player can destroy blocks placed by other but not vice versus...
16:07	sfan5	liudas: are you using any protection mods?
16:07	liudas	it happens in server. i checked privs - they look the same
16:08	ShadowNinja	Protection or missing interact would cause that. I think that's all.
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16:08	zsoltisawesome_	WHAT!
16:08	zsoltisawesome_	I am disappoint
16:09	zsoltisawesome_	one cannot register any nick with the suffix of Serv
16:09	PenguinDad	zsoltisawesome_: your argument is invalid
16:09	zsoltisawesome_	one cannot even use said nicknames
16:09	zsoltisawesome_	it is?
16:10	PenguinDad	so you can't be DuckServ :(
16:10	zsoltisawesome_	./whowas GroupServ
16:10	liudas	sfan5: well not sure.
16:11	liudas	ShadowNinja: all players has interact privs
16:11	sfan5	liudas: if you do you should look into the documentation of the protecting mod
16:11	liudas	sfan5: ok i'll do that
16:11	liudas	thank's
16:12	Megaf	folks, in unified inventory mod, what is that refil thing for?
16:12	Megaf	s/refil/refill
16:12	VanessaE	in creative mode, it resets the stack you drop in there back to stack max
16:12	Megaf	or even, how do I use it?
16:12	VanessaE	(e.g. 99 items in that stack or whatever)
16:12	Megaf	VanessaE: What about non creative?
16:12	VanessaE	take a stack of say 4 dirt, drop it in there, you get 99 back.
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16:13	VanessaE	in survival mode, it does nothing if you don't also have the creative privilege
16:13	zsoltisawesome_	haha!
16:13	VanessaE	(and afaik, it doesn't even show up in that case)
16:13	zsoltisawesome_	PenguinDad: you can be ServDuck!
16:13	zsoltisawesome_	:D
16:13	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:13	Krock	hi rubenwardy!
16:13	VanessaE	hey rubenwardy
16:14	rubenwardy	Hello Mr Krock!
16:14	ServingDuck	zsoltisawesome_: o/
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16:14	zsoltisawesome_	lol
16:14	Krock	!ninja zsoltisawesome_
16:14	ServDuck	zsoltisawesome_: You have been cut by Krock!
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16:14	rubenwardy	zsoltisawesome_ nick
16:15	zsoltisawesome_	hmm?
16:15	rubenwardy	zsoltisawesome_: /msg NickServ ghost zsoltisawesome password
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16:15	zsoltisawesome_	that is cool
16:16		zsoltisawesome joined #minetest
16:16	PenguinDad	zsoltisawesome_: you should try regain instead of ghost
16:16	zsoltisawesome_	ok
16:17	zsoltisawesome	yay
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16:17	zsoltisawesome	lol
16:17	zsoltisawesome	its trying really hard
16:17	rubenwardy	Bot?
16:17	zsoltisawesome	no
16:17	zsoltisawesome	ZNC
16:17	rubenwardy	That is the word I meant, sorry
16:17	zsoltisawesome	holy crap
16:18	zsoltisawesome	its persistant
16:18	Jordach	so's quassel_core
16:18	* PenguinDad	bounces zsoltisawesome's bouncer
16:18	zsoltisawesome	i'm gonna go tell it to to die
16:18	zsoltisawesome	PenguinDad: lol
16:20	zsoltisawesome	hmm
16:24	zsoltisawesome	so
16:25	zsoltisawesome	minetest is awesome
16:25	rubenwardy	Minetest isn't that awesome. The potential is. I have high standards for awesome.
16:25	zsoltisawesome	lol
16:26	Krock	~c 'minetest' > 'awesome'
16:26	ShadowBot	Krock: Error: Spurious ">". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
16:26	zsoltisawesome	i am going to register a Github bouncer
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16:26	zsoltisawesome	at Gitbug.com
16:26	zsoltisawesome	:P
16:26	zsoltisawesome	cause I keep typing that
16:27	zsoltisawesome	what!
16:27	zsoltisawesome	it registered!
16:27	zsoltisawesome	darn
16:30	Jordach	and this is the good life
16:30	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EEzQnYKngjg4.png
16:32	asie	trying to figure out how to install mods to minetest on OS X
16:33	asie	checking out a few so i know what's out there before i start work on my own
16:35	lordcirth	asie, just drop them into the mods folder, or if they are games, into the games folder. pretty simple :)
16:35	asie	yes, but there is no mods folder made by default in the os x .app
16:35	asie	and creating one didn't help in the mod list
16:36	asie	wait
16:36	asie	i think i got it
16:36	asie	nope.
16:36	lordcirth	asie, interesting. You could try downloading a mod from inside the client, and following where it goes
16:36	RealBadAngel	poszukaj folderu /worlds i w tym samym miejscu stworz folder /mods
16:36	asie	RealBadAngel: aaa, /worlds, dziÄ™ki
16:36	asie	RealBadAngel: cieszÄ™ siÄ™, Å¼e nie jestem jedynym polakiem tutaj ^^
16:37	CraigyDavi	I'm fed up with this. My server keeps lagging out. Here's what happens: https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/ffc94f7c0337cfc5d49c
16:37	asie	found it
16:37	zsoltisawesome	hell ya, mese on the moon! https://mediacru.sh/k2jqlKCZzLbV
16:37	CraigyDavi	At the bottom I shutdown the server as there is terrible lag
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16:37	CraigyDavi	At the top it is perfectly fine, no problems.
16:38	Krock	CraigyDavi, check connection.
16:38	Mati^1	RealBadAngel odezwij sie na priva !!!
16:38	asie	RealBadAngel: moze #minetest-pl?
16:39	asie	szkoda, ze zarejestrowany juz
16:39	CraigyDavi	Seems to be RROR[ServerThread]: Server::ProcessData(): Cancelling: peer not found. causing it.
16:39	Mati^1	zrob inny podobny ;)
16:39	asie	#minetest-polska
16:39	Mati^1	dokladnie ;)
16:39	asie	juz jest
16:39	CraigyDavi	My connection to the internet?
16:40	CraigyDavi	It's perfectly fine.
16:40	Krock	CraigyDavi, no, god's conection to internet
16:40	zsoltisawesome	lol
16:41	Krock	I only get lagging out problems when the internet connection is broken
16:41	Krock	or when i've cuz a lot of bamboo
16:41	Krock	but that's clientside generated lag
16:42	liudas	ShadowNinja: got it - i was not able destroy "unbreakable glass" from your mod "bedrock". is there any way to kill them?
16:43	Krock	use some tools like technic's drill, admin pickaxe, nukes...
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16:43	Krock	</ignore address>
16:43	CraigyDavi	Hmm. I hope the bug can be fixed.
16:44	Krock	bugs are caused by providing features - so it's possible to fix
16:44	Krock	somehow.
16:47	zsoltisawesome	can somebody test Moontest, I am having terrain gen issues, I wanna see if its just me..
16:48	zsoltisawesome	https://github.com/ManOfMinetest24/moontest
16:50	BlockMen	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=140317#p140317 Gizah? pff...
16:50	BlockMen	:D
16:51	Krock	+1
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16:57	Jordach	and mastered single texture simulated water
16:57	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/f203ja92L2F7.png
17:03	zsoltisawesome	sfan5: you can force python to turn string to int with int(), right?
17:03	sfan5	yes
17:03	zsoltisawesome	cool
17:12	zsoltisawesome	can somebody test Moontest, please!
17:18	Jordach	test it yourself
17:18	Jordach	i've done that enough with BFD
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17:19	zsoltisawesome	it doesn't work on mine...
17:19	zsoltisawesome	the terrain gen cuts off
17:19	PilzAdam	sfan5, I see you pushed to the wrong repo
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17:19	sfan5	PilzAdam: yes I did
17:19	zsoltisawesome	PenguinDad!
17:20	zsoltisawesome	don't slap Krock!
17:20	* Jordach	slaps zsoltisawesome
17:20	zsoltisawesome	#canttouchthis
17:20	* sfan5	purrs at Jordach
17:21	* PenguinDad	pets sfan5
17:22	* sfan5	meows
17:22	Calinou	hi
17:22	sfan5	hi Calinou
17:24	* zsoltisawesome	throws /dev/null/ at sfan5
17:24	* sfan5	looks at the device confused
17:24	* PenguinDad	casts /dev/random at zsoltisawesome
17:25	* zsoltisawesome	eats it
17:25	sfan5	ooh
17:25	zsoltisawesome	adfbuw34ybqaew8va7u4bpqe9bg0q4sufvxdbvjsrsr;
17:25	* zsoltisawesome	spits it out
17:25	zsoltisawesome	that tasted bad
17:26	zsoltisawesome	it tasted like clean metel
17:26	zsoltisawesome	*al
17:27	zsoltisawesome	#me
17:28	PenguinDad	fuck you too soundcloud -.-
17:28	zsoltisawesome	erm "#action is already registered to freenode-staff." "The nickname â€œfreenode-staffâ€ does not exist."
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17:29	Calinou	/hp zsoltisawesome 0
17:29	zsoltisawesome	PenguinDad: what have they done now?
17:29	* zsoltisawesome	dies
17:29	zsoltisawesome	laggy server :P
17:30	PenguinDad	zsoltisawesome:set_breath(0)
17:32	* zsoltisawesome	dies again
17:33	zsoltisawesome	i wish I had moonrealm:spacesuit
17:33	Calinou	Princess Luna stole it
17:34	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: how do you know?
17:34	zsoltisawesome	Lunatrius! XD
17:34	zsoltisawesome	MLP
17:34	Calinou	a pony
17:34	Krock	what's MLP?
17:34	Calinou	My Little Pony
17:34	Krock	ah
17:34	Calinou	john_minetest, MoonScript stole it.
17:34	zsoltisawesome	lol
17:35	Calinou	identify ALL the ponies!
17:35	zsoltisawesome	http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_Luna
17:35	zsoltisawesome	lol
17:36	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: Inkbutt and sunbutt
17:36	zsoltisawesome	:D
17:38	rubenwardy	https://www.dropbox.com/s/xadi9k6rioidf78/awards_menu.png?dl=1
17:39	Calinou	don't forget capital Y, rubenwardy
17:39	Calinou	else, it'll be â€œYou're a bitch!â€
17:39	Krock	rubenwardy, your new mod?
17:40	rubenwardy	Nope
17:40	rubenwardy	Update to an old mod
17:40	Krock	also nice
17:41	zsoltisawesome	https://mediacru.sh/k2jqlKCZzLbV
17:41	zsoltisawesome	mese on da moon! ^
17:41	Krock	old -^
17:42	Calinou	ugly font
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17:44	zsoltisawesome	https://mediacru.sh/4yTNf3bG_3R0
17:44	zsoltisawesome	what is ungly font?
17:45	zsoltisawesome	*ugly
17:45	Calinou	woah
17:45	zsoltisawesome	the moon is a bit broken at the moment
17:45	Calinou	http://0bin.net/paste/5O0h9hI1x3qOMd1R#+HYLFO6mUE2gGFPF0+aprhQ+cuDCu7eeOJZ2L/vZYuI=
17:45	zsoltisawesome	;)
17:45	Krock	lol
17:45	Calinou	pretty font! (you need fonts-droid installed)
17:45	Krock	that's with simple lightening
17:45	Calinou	the path is absolute, it implies the font is installed on your OS
17:46	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wL5TpI1CHFqn.png
17:47	zsoltisawesome	nice an' french.... :D I know, i tried to use the ubuntu font, and that broke it...
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17:47	PenguinDad	eew your carbone is dirty!
17:48	zsoltisawesome	lol
17:48	zsoltisawesome	i noticed that too
17:48	zsoltisawesome	"Ha ha! The fun has been doubled!"
17:50	Calinou	:( only ASCII characters work with droid font
17:50	Calinou	zsoltisawesome, that's what she said when she found a nyan cat in Minetest
17:50	zsoltisawesome	i like the ubuntu font better
17:50	zsoltisawesome	lol
17:50	Calinou	suddenly: crappy licensing
17:50	rubenwardy	Any ideas for triggers for the award mod?
17:50	rubenwardy	(triggers: things you need to do to get an award)
17:51	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: lol
17:51	Krock	rubenwardy, plante saplings
17:51	Krock	*planted
17:51	rubenwardy	Already got place node, dig node, and deaths
17:51	rubenwardy	Krock: I think that is in place nodes
17:51	Krock	rubenwardy, collected bones
17:51	rubenwardy	but good idea for an award
17:51	Krock	I just give suggestions.
17:52	Krock	could be named like "Nature lover"
17:52	Krock	lol
17:52	zsoltisawesome	haha
17:52	rubenwardy	Well, suggest awards, and I can make triggers for them
17:52	rubenwardy	(Award are achievements)
17:53	zsoltisawesome	mese pickaxe make
17:53	Krock	rubenwardy, how about placed cobble?
17:54	Krock	Or grief master with 200 tries to dig on protected areas
17:55	Krock	what the hell presses printscreen
17:55	zsoltisawesome	it appears there are ginormous ravines on the moon
17:55	zsoltisawesome	...
17:56	* Jordach	wonder's why Calinou isn't in ##calinou
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17:59	zsoltisawesome	how does the word "this" turn into "shit"
18:01	zsoltisawesome	this: https://mediacru.sh/MEuFqdl25rQk
18:02	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: ^
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18:03	Calinou	looks like you're playing a very old version of Minetest :P
18:04	zsoltisawesome	yes, yes it does
18:05	zsoltisawesome	i found a floating nose
18:06	zsoltisawesome	https://mediacru.sh/X_vn2dZFMoFV
18:07	Calinou	why is your font that small and ugly?
18:09	zsoltisawesome	its the font that minetest uses when it cant find a font
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18:11	zsoltisawesome	FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
18:11	Jordach	because you darn fucked up again
18:11	zsoltisawesome	minetest keeps crashing when i try to go to the main menu
18:11	PenguinDad	Error message please?
18:12	Megaf	I just generated a new map with the same seed I used in my server, man, it's quite impressive how we transform the world around us
18:12	zsoltisawesome	crashes of access vilation
18:13	PenguinDad	zsoltisawesome: latest dev?
18:13	zsoltisawesome	no
18:13	zsoltisawesome	stable
18:13	rubenwardy	Award menu and chat trigger - https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards/commits/master
18:16	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add hack to avoid 2s startup delay on local games 9370f5657a 2014-05-02T00:18:25+02:00 http://git.io/lMCifg
18:19	zsoltisawesome	this is my problem: https://mediacru.sh/sTs7CwCgCQ7h
18:20	Krock	zsoltisawesome, not generated/loaded chunks...
18:21	zsoltisawesome	hmm
18:21	zsoltisawesome	that is a problem
18:21	Krock	this is my problem: http://i.imgur.com/qpB0EUG.png
18:23	PenguinDad	privacy settings? ;)
18:23	Krock	hmm
18:23	Krock	that is a problem
18:23	VanessaE	zsoltisawesome: sounds like you turned off camera updates, or you've got something generating "ignore" where air should be
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18:24	zsoltisawesome	probably the second one
18:25	Calinou	zsoltisawesome, then provide it a font?
18:31	zsoltisawesome	checking ginbug code
18:32	Calinou	there's a default one, in the fonts/ directory, which will be used if you haven't changed the font_path setting
18:32	zsoltisawesome	*git
18:34	CraigyDavi	Castle Zoidburg: http://i.imgur.com/XFFYzm2.png
18:34	zsoltisawesome	john_minetest: I have the same problem
18:34	Krock	yeah, known problem. john_minetest.
18:34	PenguinDad	I have same problem with crisps :D
18:34	PenguinDad	+ the
18:34	zsoltisawesome	crisps = chips?
18:34	Krock	BIOS chips, me means
18:34	Krock	*he
18:34	zsoltisawesome	VanessaE: no instances of ignore in the generation code...
18:34	PenguinDad	I dunno
18:34	Krock	Agh..it has been raining now for a whole week :(
18:34	VanessaE	zsoltisawesome: any unknown node I think becomes 'ignore' at generation time if it is somehow forced into the map
18:34	zsoltisawesome	i think i got it
18:34	zsoltisawesome	i was using v6 instead of singlenode
18:34	VanessaE	maybe.
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18:34	zsoltisawesome	Huzzah!
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18:37	Calinou	for IRC/text editor, is it a better idea to have a fully black background or a dark grey one (such as #202020)?
18:38	Jordach	Calinou, depends on the screen settings
18:38	Jordach	really does
18:38	Krock	Ok, our hack master discovered a new bug, where it's possible to use \n to make multiline chat messages
18:38	Krock	how to fix this?
18:38	Jordach	revoke his fuckin shout
18:38	Jordach	easiest method
18:39	CraigyDavi	By typing /n into chat? I never knew you could do that
18:39	Krock	CraigyDavi: \n as one char, not 2 chars
18:40	CraigyDavi	Ok
18:40	Jordach	Krock, unicode
18:40	Jordach	that's usually the cause
18:40	Krock	Jordach, ehm ascii contains \n too IIKR
18:40	Krock	*IIRC
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18:42	CraigyDavi	It's also possible to pretend to be another player by putting lots of spaces after your message and then a <name>. it starts a new line and looks exactly the sam as it would normally, Unless using the chat console
18:44	Calinou	resolution and font-size dependant
18:44	Calinou	can be easily seen in the console
18:46	PenguinDad	lol I found a legit way to break through the bedrock in carbone
18:47	zsoltisawesome	how?
18:47	PenguinDad	just shoot dig arrows at the bedrock
18:47	Calinou	oh
18:47	Calinou	mobs can destroy it too
18:48	zsoltisawesome	dig arrows?
18:48	zsoltisawesome	lol
18:48	Calinou	dig arrows dig anything, without dropping the dug node, but you get the arrow back
18:48	Calinou	crafted using two sticks and a wooden pick
18:48	Calinou	PenguinDad, what do you think of the arrow sounds BTW?
18:49	Sokomine	how do i tell minetestmapper (the c++ version) to map out the entire map?
18:49	VanessaE	use the geometry parameters with really large numbers
18:49	zsoltisawesome	like 33000
18:49	zsoltisawesome	:D
18:49	* PenguinDad	enables sounds
18:50	zsoltisawesome	Pew Pew pew!
18:50	VanessaE	--geometry -5000:-7500+12000+15000 gives large images
18:50	Calinou	they are louder than most nodes, obviously
18:50	Calinou	so don't set your sound volume too loud
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18:50	Megaf	I'd like to actually change the scale, like one pixel/meter
18:50	CraigyDavi	Whole map would be --geometry -30000:-30000+60000+60000
18:50	Sokomine	i tried it with something like 30000/60000 already. it got killed then :-/
18:50	Calinou	VanessaE, I'd like to see a mapper where, instead of having 1 pixel per node, you have 16 pixels per node; would be nice for small-scale renders
18:50	Sokomine	ah yes. so i got the parameters right. unfortionately, the mapper was killed when i tried that. no reason given...
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18:51	Calinou	dynmap (CraftBukkit plugin) can do that
18:51	CraigyDavi	Sokomine, I think you need to explore to the edge of the map you are generating or else it will crash
18:51	Calinou	(and with the 16 pixels, you would see the actual texture)
18:51	Megaf	is it already 1 pixel/node ?
18:51	Calinou	yes
18:51	Sokomine	calinou: nod i'd also appreciate a mapper where you could see the important parts. something more abstract
18:51	Calinou	you can enlarge it by yourself, but it won't replace it by the real texture
18:51	Calinou	Sokomine, there's an isometric mapper, not sure if it still works well, not sure if it's fast
18:51	Sokomine	we only have those two extremes...exact, pixel-sized mappers, and very small-scale ones for individual houses. nothing which is useful as a real map
18:52	Megaf	Would be cool if it could use the actual textures
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18:52	CraigyDavi	here's the link: https://github.com/xyzz/onomatopoeia
18:52	Calinou	https://github.com/xyzz/onomatopoeia and https://github.com/Nemo08/hxmtmapper
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18:52	Calinou	one in Haxe, one in Python
18:52	Sokomine	megaf: some mappers do that. those that display areas of say...128x128 nodes. that works
18:52	zsoltisawesome	GITBUG!
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18:54	Megaf	I'd like an area around 512x512
18:54	Megaf	with textures
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18:58	Calinou	that would be 32 Ã— 32 nodes
18:58	Calinou	good for an house, but not more ;)
18:58	Megaf	Sorry, I mean, 512 nodes x 512 nodes
19:03	Sokomine	hm :) the map i developed my villages mod on certainly looks intresting :)
19:04	VanessaE	Calinou: well doing 16 pixels/node wouldn't be too hard I suppose, but it would result in bloody HUGE images and it would mean pulling in all of the actual texture files that go along with the nodes being read in
19:05	VanessaE	I expect you'd have to borrow some of the server's functions e.g. interpreting Lua to get node defs -> textures
19:06	* Calinou	is using HDX right now, it's quite nice, actually
19:06	Calinou	but: water animation (still) is almost invisible (I'd rather see a slight, constant scrolling or such), and the flowing one is not smooth enough
19:06	Calinou	VanessaE, that 16 pixels/node mode would be for small areas
19:07	Calinou	eg. it'd be fine for 200 Ã— 200 areas
19:07	VanessaE	yeah, the water animation still needs work. I'm not happy with it.
19:07	Calinou	the hand scares me :S
19:07	VanessaE	I'd like to get something like what Google Earth uses
19:07	Calinou	it's huge
19:07	VanessaE	hah
19:07	Calinou	Jungle tree is white? why?
19:07	Calinou	I'd rather see green-ish dark brown
19:08	VanessaE	I'm also not happy with that one, but I haven't found a better texture uet
19:08	VanessaE	yet*
19:09	Calinou	also there are a few nodes and items added in Carbone you can texture: bedrock_bedrock.png (Bedrock), throwing_bow_mese.png and throwing_bow_diamond.png, bones.png (new bones, transparent glasslike_framed)
19:09	Calinou	bones_bones.png*
19:10	Calinou	if you have time ;)
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19:12	Calinou	oh, bedrock is already done!
19:12	VanessaE	wait.
19:12	VanessaE	yes, already in there from shadow's mod
19:12	Calinou	this pack's mod support never ceases to positively surprise me
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19:14	VanessaE	:D
19:14	VanessaE	I have a decent talent I think, and a hell of a lot of free time on my hands most days :)
19:16	Calinou	mod support is mostly a matter of wanting it, sometimes it can be done quite fast
19:16	Calinou	there, I found how to make dig arrows not dig bedrock in Carbone
19:16	Calinou	else, it's too easy ;)
19:16	zsoltisawesome	VanessaE: Moontest support!
19:16	VanessaE	working on the gold bow...
19:19	Sokomine	gold bow? does it shoot golden arrows? might lead to people jumping into the path :-)
19:19	Calinou	it's not gold bow
19:19	VanessaE	zsoltisawesome: moontest?
19:19	Calinou	mese bow, diamond bow
19:20	Calinou	and there are golden arrows, which deal more damage
19:20	VanessaE	shit, mese rather
19:20	Calinou	which give an use to gold ;)
19:20	VanessaE	but I use a gold braid for it rather
19:20	Calinou	6 HP instead of 3 HP
19:20	VanessaE	it'll be right, fear not :)
19:20	Calinou	it looks like there's no method to get a node's groups?
19:20	Calinou	I'd like to make all "unbreakable =1" nodes not breakable by dig arrow, not just bedrock
19:24	Krock	Calinou, mean something like minetet.registered_nodes[name].groups ?
19:24	rubenwardy	Awards 0.4 released: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4870&start=75#p140345
19:25	Calinou	I'll try
19:26	Calinou	no
19:26	Calinou	I tried to call â€œminetetâ€...
19:26	* Jordach	grabs a blockmen buildf
19:27	Krock	lol typos happen
19:28	Krock	Jordach, sfan9's new builds not working?
19:29	Jordach	nah
19:29	Jordach	just prefer MSVC
19:30	VanessaE	Calinou: got a screenshot of the bones you're talking about?
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19:30	VanessaE	I still haven't supported the default bones (because I don't like that mod :P )
19:30	PenguinDad	how dare you!
19:30	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wyjtOCkK8Sss.jpg
19:31	Calinou	emits some light. has some post-process inside it, you drown inside if it you stay too long in
19:31	Krock	VanessaE, default bones with punch function is the best of all
19:31	Calinou	it's non-walkable
19:31	Calinou	I added punch function today, Krock :)
19:31	Krock	Calinou: +1
19:31	VanessaE	mese and diamond bows just went up.
19:32	Krock	punch function is in minetest_next included too
19:37	Krock	5 normal users online and 4 bots...
19:41	PilzAdam	VanessaE, have you ever experienced a server getting unresponsive after about 2-4 hours runtime?
19:42	VanessaE	PilzAdam: not after that specific amount of time, but Megaf and I have had a situation happen recently (now patched, it seems) where enough users timing out causes a server to become unresponsive to anything
19:44	Jordach	Amaz_, feeling like BFD'ing some more?
19:44	Krock	^- and I rarely get a couple of unknown users
19:45	Krock	(ignoring Jordach's message)
19:45	Jordach	Krock, unicode username
19:45	Krock	Jordach, my dummy account "dummy" became unknown too
19:45	Amaz_	Jordach: Okay.
19:48	Calinou	Could not open file of texture: UV_rat.png
19:48	Calinou	annoying console spa
19:48	Calinou	+m
19:48	Calinou	I get the same with â€œoerkki.pngâ€
19:48	Calinou	why? these textures are not defined anywhere in my Lua files
19:48	VanessaE	weird
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19:49	Calinou	I'll add dummy textures to make it shut upâ€¦
19:49	PilzAdam	Calinou, I think it's caused by textures specified in the models
19:53	Calinou	still happens
19:54	Calinou	found a fix
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19:56	PilzAdam	Calinou, the textures need to be in the same directory as the model files
19:57	Calinou	I removed the texture entries in .x file ;)
20:02	zsoltisawesome	lordcirth: you still up for helping with moontest?
20:02	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, depends, have you gotten the basics done?
20:03	zsoltisawesome	Well, yea
20:03	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, by which I mean, the air/vacuum interaction?
20:03	Jordach	sigh
20:03	Jordach	i once burned my house down, then evergreen goes and does it
20:03	lordcirth	Jordach, rollback?
20:03	Jordach	nope
20:04	Jordach	lordcirth, developer worlds
20:04	zsoltisawesome	lordcirth: what exactly do you mean
20:05	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, the basics we talked about at the beginning, the abms on vacuum that handle the physics
20:06	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, my suggestion was an abm on vacuum next to air, turns both into half vacuum. half vacuum turns into whatever is next to it
20:06	Jordach	!tell EvergreenTree don't burn my fucking house down next time
20:06	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when EvergreenTree is around
20:06	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, but we never did test whether that worked well
20:07	zsoltisawesome	ya
20:07	zsoltisawesome	well
20:07	zsoltisawesome	there is a problem with that
20:07	zsoltisawesome	say we have: A \| A \| V \| V
20:08	zsoltisawesome	it turns into A \| H \| H \| V
20:08	zsoltisawesome	then back into A \| A \| V \| V
20:08	zsoltisawesome	so all it would do is make lag
20:10	lordcirth	zsoltisawesome, careful with spam, we should PM
20:10	zsoltisawesome	lordcirth: #moontest
20:10	Calinou	Longer range with hand, more bedrock, fireballs and dig arrows don't dig containers and bedrock, sound volumes tweaked, fixed console spam with mobs. Tweaked mob spawning.
20:15	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/sssB5PAKwuqe.png
20:15	zsoltisawesome	i think it should be a little more rare Jordach
20:16	Jordach	zsoltisawesome, it's in a somewhat warm climate
20:16	zsoltisawesome	ah
20:16	Jordach	zsoltisawesome, it's common on purpose
20:16	VanessaE	Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/c54ee4cdfc53d338a989e8f0669964b4d4fbff63 , https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/8ba23d377a4c3fedc1cbdd3ef71333b2716a3299
20:16	Jordach	because meat is rare and seeds take time, you'll want to scavenge
20:17	Calinou	I use non-Git version of HDX, I should clone some day
20:17	PilzAdam	Calinou, *days
20:17	Calinou	your bones are scary :x
20:17	Calinou	PilzAdam, no
20:17	PilzAdam	maybe even weeks
20:17	Calinou	but they look nice
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20:18	VanessaE	(ran my usual scaling scrip on them but I didn't hand-tweak the smaller sizes, so the 16 and 32px ones won't look too good compared to 64px+)
20:18	Calinou	I use 256px
20:21	Calinou	lol @ nyancat
20:21	sfan5	meow
20:21	sfan5	hi everyone
20:21	Jordach	meow
20:21	zsoltisawesome	Nyan!
20:22	sfan5	zsoltisawesome: ã«ã‚ƒã‚“ï½ž
20:22	VanessaE	Calinou: that was my real cat some time ago, his name was "Squeak". had to give him up though. Too destructive for this house, but I am told he found a good home :)
20:22	* VanessaE	pokes kaeza
20:22	Calinou	suggestion: you could use my crosshair found in Carbone, VanessaE
20:22	Calinou	it looks much better than the default one, is visible everywhere and makes more sense
20:23	VanessaE	link?
20:23	* kaeza	pokes VanessaE with a MESE nuke
20:23	kaeza	hai
20:23	* sfan5	meows at kaeza
20:23	Calinou	https://github.com/Calinou/carbone/blob/master/mods/default/textures/crosshair.png
20:23	* kaeza	meows back at sfan5
20:23	* sfan5	purrs at kaeza
20:25	VanessaE	hm, a simple circle eh?
20:27	Calinou	kaeza, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=9157 â†’ I can actually understand this
20:27	Calinou	VanessaE, yeah
20:27	Calinou	mods/default/textures/crosshair.png: Â© 2013 ETERNALSOLSTICE â€“ CC BY 3.0
20:27	Calinou	is what the README.md says
20:28	VanessaE	eternal solstice probably doesn't know you can't copyright simple shapes :)
20:28	VanessaE	still, I'll consider it
20:29	Calinou	yeah, it's not worth much
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20:30	hunterx689	hi?
20:30	sfan5	hello
20:31	Calinou	mods/default/textures/crosshair.png: Â© 2014 ETERNALSOLSTICE â€“ CC BY 3.0: http://quadropolis.us/node/3993
20:31	Calinou	more info added
20:31	Calinou	that's where I found the crosshair... I use that crosshair in 5 games :P
20:32	Calinou	exact same size
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20:37	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-BvwEVUtIx7c.jpg :)
20:38	VanessaE	heh
20:40	hunterx689	hi van
20:40	VanessaE	hey
20:41	hunterx689	hehehe i found the main base :D
20:42	kaeza	Calinou, I have 110 messages on the RSS feed for the wiki, ~60 are <page>/fr :O
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20:46	asie	i love the modularity of mesecons
20:46	asie	which is good as i want to port over gate systems from a sandbox game i did
20:49	hunterx689	hunterz?
20:49	hunterx689	hmmmm
20:49	hunterx689	hey is a way to make meseons a little bit minor laggy?
20:49	VanessaE	wire your machines to run slower
20:50	asie	yep, use delayers
20:50	VanessaE	(as in fewer clock cycles per second, etc)
20:50	hunterx689	hmmmm what about to make our own mobs?
20:51	harrison	if a horse wanted to learn about alzheimer's disease
20:51	harrison	perhaps it would attend classes
20:51	harrison	at a hippocampus
20:51	VanessaE	make sure you use as short of wire lengths as possible and as few thigns that change as possible (things that change appearance, including wires, when they turn on/off will cause mesh generation lag in the client, which causes lower fps). make sure you run LuaJIT on the server
20:52	hunterx689	O_o
20:53	Calinou	VanessaE, bucket is darker with water than without water? (the outside)
20:53	Calinou	looks a bit strange
20:54	hunterx689	hmmm
20:54	hunterx689	wait
20:54	Calinou	tweak your graphic settings too
20:54	Calinou	VanessaE, they have slow hardware
20:54	Calinou	1.6 GHz CPU, Windows XP
20:55	hunterx689	no calinou the bucket have the same colors
20:56	VanessaE	Calinou: rendering bug.
20:56	VanessaE	the original imagery is good
20:57	hunterx689	but by the way with the water it creates a optical ilution
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20:58	VanessaE	Calinou: might be because the empty bucket is grayscale, while the water/lava buckets are RGB
20:58	VanessaE	that said,
20:58	VanessaE	I can see the difference now to
20:58	VanessaE	too*
20:58	VanessaE	lemme fix it
20:59	hunterx689	hey van
20:59	Calinou	heh, that's strange
20:59	hunterx689	i have a prroblem in versions higher that the 0.4.4 my inventory images get invisible
21:00	hunterx689	and in 0.4.9 the hud (bubbles,hearts and the inventory get invisible)
21:01	hunterx689	there is a way to solve it?
21:03	Jordach	hunterx689, mainlist inventory == null?
21:03	hunterx689	hmm
21:03	hunterx689	take my status =
21:04	hunterx689	idk what the mese did this mean
21:04	zsoltisawesome	Jordach!
21:04	zsoltisawesome	can i have like 2 minutes of your time?
21:04	hunterx689	hmm is
21:05	hunterx689	pg_imgae can be tunred on by using..
21:05	hunterx689	glsl not availible
21:06	zsoltisawesome	could somebody make this texture 20% darker? https://mediacru.sh/xWV41qHN_UgR
21:06	hunterx689	ho this is
21:07	hunterx689	png warning : interlace handling should be turned on when using png_red_image
21:08	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IcXBMJxEM3sF.png
21:08	Jordach	zsoltisawesome, ^
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21:09	zsoltisawesome	thanks Jordach
21:09	Jordach	(hint, you might want something much more smoother)
21:09	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8730 â†’ may do the textured mapping I wanted, Sokomine
21:09	Calinou	(not sure)
21:13	Calinou	it's way faster than the default one too
21:16	Calinou	I opened a 23552 pixels wide image
21:16	Calinou	slow, but no crash
21:16	Calinou	using eog
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21:21	Jordach	boom!
21:21	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCjUiE-0QQ
21:22	zsoltisawesome	it be alllllllllllive!
21:23	VanessaE	Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/c151191e0439039561278a4cc0c8fc624f7fdefe
21:23	zsoltisawesome	how long did that take to render?
21:24	zsoltisawesome	gitbug!
21:25	Calinou	gitdoesn'tbughere
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21:26	Jordach	zsoltisawesome, 30 mins
21:26	dynamodan_	VanessaE I have a question about your signs_ilb, when you get a chance
21:26	zsoltisawesome	ilb?
21:26	dynamodan_	yeah the ilb, LOL
21:27	dynamodan_	sorry, meant to say signs_lib
21:27	dynamodan_	or, anyone that might know the answer
21:27	zsoltisawesome	"Did you mean: issac?"
21:27	zsoltisawesome	google FTW
21:28	Calinou	Google FTL.
21:28	Calinou	bye
21:28	Jordach	there it is
21:28	Jordach	bye Calinou
21:28	Calinou	nice, in latest Git, singleplayer and local games are much faster
21:29	harrison	http://hexnet.org/
21:30	harrison	GLOBAL HEXAGONAL AWARENESS RESOURCE CENTER
21:30	Jordach	YARN. idiot
21:32	Amaz_	Is sfan5 here?
21:32	dynamodan_	VanessaE my question about the signs_lib is how to get your nice signs with text, rather than the default native signs
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21:36	zsoltisawesome	Amaz_: he is çœ ã‚Š
21:37	PilzAdam	harrison, I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
21:37	zsoltisawesome	PilzAdam: http://start-irc-bullying.eu/start
21:38	Jordach	stfu
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21:39	dynamodan_	PilzAdam do you know anything about signs_lib?
21:39	PilzAdam	umm... maybe
21:39	PilzAdam	do you have a link?
21:40	dynamodan_	https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/tree/master/signs_lib
21:41	dynamodan_	the signs_lib won't override the default built in signs
21:41	PilzAdam	ah, yes, thats a fork of my fork of the signs mod
21:41	dynamodan_	oh!
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21:41	dynamodan_	maybe yours would work?
21:41	PilzAdam	what game do you use?
21:42	dynamodan_	minetest_game
21:42	PilzAdam	any other mods?
21:42	dynamodan_	yeah quite a few, homedecor, which requires signs_lib, I assume the one that VanessaE made,
21:42	dynamodan_	dunno
21:43	dynamodan_	technic, worldedit, mesecons, a huge list of mods actually
21:43	dynamodan_	I could strip them all out and try with just homedecor and signs_lib
21:43	PilzAdam	looking at the code I don't see why it wouldn't override signs
21:44	PilzAdam	can you search if any other mod overrides default:sign_wall too?
21:44	dynamodan_	there are other servers I've encountered that have the same bug
21:44	dynamodan_	bremaweb LandRush, it has signs_lib but they're still the flat native signs
21:45	PilzAdam	VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/signs_lib/init.lua#L169 <- "warning" is not a valid stream
21:45	PilzAdam	s/stream/loglevel
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21:48	dynamodan_	hah it must be another mod, because I removed all the other mods
21:49	dynamodan_	it works now, so I guess it's down to re-enabling them one by one, see which one is the culprit
21:49	PilzAdam	or you just grep for :default:sign_wall
21:49	dynamodan_	yeah been doing that a lot
21:51	dynamodan_	hah it's in the landrush mod
21:51	dynamodan_	probably part of the permission thing
21:52	Jordach	dynamodan_, yarp
21:53	Jordach	ugh
21:53	dynamodan_	fun. Now just to make the PilzAdam and VanessaE's excellent signs_lib work with LR.
21:53	Jordach	what is it with mediacrush being broken again
21:53	dynamodan_	thanks so much guys!!
21:53	asie	LR?
21:53	asie	and what is signs_lib?
21:53	dynamodan_	LandRush
21:53	dynamodan_	signs_lib is an awesome mod made by PilzAdam, then furthehr modded by VanessaE
21:53	PilzAdam	VanessaE, you should add a note in homedecor that it's incompatible with the landrush mod
21:53	dynamodan_	asie scroll up a little ;)
21:54	asie	it's great
21:54	asie	:D
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21:54	Jordach	asie, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/m3Q0D8Fstb1h.png
21:55	Jordach	(dafuq, mediacrush is broken again)
22:02	Jordach	PilzAdam, i'm achiving things that is (probably) possible within minetest
22:02	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JD_oVbAAxYsd.png
22:03	PilzAdam	I start to believe that you cause 60% of mediacrush's traffic
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22:14	Jordach	PilzAdam, lol
22:17	zsoltisawesome	Jordach!
22:17	Jordach	wat
22:17	Jordach	(i seriously wouldn't keep poking me)
22:17	zsoltisawesome	how does one do this with blender http://stephaneginier.com/sculptgl/
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22:32	zsoltisawesome	hmm
22:32	zsoltisawesome	https://mediacru.sh/mm7QSk1LISrk
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22:39	zsoltisawesome	I had best get going! bye all!
22:39	zsoltisawesome	https://github.com/ManOfMinetest24/moontest
22:55	Jordach	http://www.mediafire.com/listen/clalvzadxudls7u/theevilsisterdevice.ogg
22:55	Jordach	(mediacrush doesn't want to finish uploads apparently)
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