| Time |
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| 00:02 |
Exio4 |
how can be understanding a KEYBIND that hard |
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fwilson |
Exio4: oh, hi, i didn't know you were in here |
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Megaf |
will minetest server someday be a stable software? |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
one can always dream |
| 01:03 |
kaeza |
define stable |
| 01:04 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 01:04 |
Peacock |
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as stable, is in fact, ... :p |
| 01:18 |
harrison |
a barn? |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
lol some newb killed me, then i whipped out a weapon not in the creative inventory and killed him 3 times, i haven't heard so many sorries since clinton banged that intern :p |
| 01:32 |
Megaf |
kaeza, something that will keep running without bugs making it to stop running |
| 01:32 |
Megaf |
now a days any stupid bug or error will just bring the server down |
| 01:33 |
kaeza |
uh? |
| 01:33 |
Megaf |
There is not a single minetest server with a decent uptime |
| 01:33 |
kaeza |
I've run my server for almost 4 days straight |
| 01:33 |
Megaf |
ohhhh? |
| 01:33 |
kaeza |
the only time I shut it down was for backups |
| 01:33 |
Megaf |
man, thats nothing |
| 01:33 |
Megaf |
I got my Raspberry Pi for a month |
| 01:34 |
Megaf |
a month of minetest server |
| 01:34 |
Megaf |
but it was a minimal server |
| 01:34 |
Megaf |
with even the default modules disabled |
| 01:35 |
kaeza |
sooo... is it the engine crashing or some random mod? |
| 01:35 |
Megaf |
both |
| 01:36 |
Megaf |
DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 7fe779ffb700: |
| 01:36 |
Megaf |
#0 virtual void* EmergeThread::Thread() |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
if it weren't for daily backups, my servers would probably run for at least a few days at a time also |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
only a mod will crash it, and then it's the modder's fault for writing bad code. |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
(usually) |
| 01:36 |
Megaf |
and before that |
| 01:36 |
Megaf |
In thread 7fe782563700: |
| 01:36 |
Megaf |
/home/megaf/minetest/src/connection.cpp:1862: virtual void* con::ConnectionReceiveThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed. |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
dude, pastebin |
| 01:37 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I done run my server on my home, localy |
| 01:37 |
Megaf |
my server runs on a true server |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
so does mine. |
| 01:37 |
Megaf |
far away from me |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
I pay for a dedicated server up in canada. |
| 01:38 |
Megaf |
sometimes is not as quick or easy to copy stuff |
| 01:38 |
Megaf |
I pay for one in London |
| 01:38 |
Megaf |
just for minetest |
| 01:38 |
Megaf |
I got a 8 core Xeon with more than 10 MB of upload all for minetest |
| 01:39 |
fwilson |
o.o |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
and this shit still runs slow as hell and crashes all the time |
| 01:39 |
fwilson |
nice |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
and its not my servers fault |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
tried to move to USA already |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
same shit |
| 01:39 |
fwilson |
i run on a single-core P4 and have no crashes at all |
| 01:39 |
fwilson |
from home |
| 01:39 |
fwilson |
:\ |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
and i'm running ~60 mods |
| 01:40 |
Megaf |
fwilson, install some mods and you will see |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
^^ |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
:) |
| 01:40 |
Megaf |
fwilson, do you run plantlife and homedecor? |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
no, but i used to |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
still ran fine |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
wait... was it plantlife or something else... |
| 01:40 |
fwilson |
no i didn't run plantlife, i did run homedecor |
| 01:41 |
VanessaE |
not likely to be plantlife |
| 01:41 |
VanessaE |
that mod is quite stable |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
plantlife is a lib that you need for moretress and other stuff |
| 01:41 |
VanessaE |
and homedecor's signs already got fixed, afaik. |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, actually your mods now a days are pretty stable |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
yes |
| 01:41 |
Megaf |
now that connecton.cpp is causing the server to crash |
| 01:41 |
fwilson |
that's kinda strange |
| 01:42 |
Megaf |
perhaps something sapier did |
| 01:43 |
Megaf |
!seen sapier |
| 01:43 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: sapier was last seen at 2014-01-08 23:57:50 UTC on #minetest |
| 01:43 |
kaeza |
GDBIYF |
| 01:44 |
Megaf |
at least my other project is doing well... |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
are you using sapier's latest pull? #1090 against clean minetest git master |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
I use this on my servers. it seems stable. |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
if it proves itself, it goes to master soon |
| 02:02 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I update it everyday |
| 02:02 |
Megaf |
I mean, I do a git pull at minetest folder |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
I mean sapier's pull, not the master repo |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1090 |
| 02:03 |
Megaf |
I just do git pull, I assumed since I switched to it once the next time it will get the sapier's pull |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
well i dont know if that turkey was still good, but we'll find out soon enough |
| 02:05 |
Megaf |
I think this broke it https://github.com/sapier/minetest/commit/0303f3d2189c213617cec8cb9f272fe36889f64d |
| 02:05 |
Megaf |
he indeed changed the connections.cpp file |
| 02:05 |
Megaf |
it was working before that |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
so apply his pull request to your copy and see if it helps |
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blaise |
bas0801: herro? |
| 03:32 |
bas0801 |
blaise? |
| 03:33 |
blaise |
bas0801: are you the writer of the Firestone mod? |
| 03:36 |
blaise |
bas0801: if so, I am in great appreciation of your hard work.. :) |
| 03:37 |
blaise |
I am very much enjoying the firestone and firestone chimney |
| 03:52 |
blaise |
bas0801: I take it you're not the author |
| 03:52 |
blaise |
bas0801: sorry to bother you |
| 04:17 |
blaise |
did they ever get the smoke particles working? |
| 04:17 |
blaise |
anyone else use the firestone mod? |
| 04:18 |
Peacock |
i just use the fire node without the abm thingy |
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| 06:15 |
blaise |
!up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000 |
| 06:15 |
MinetestBot |
midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (549ms) |
| 06:15 |
blaise |
:O |
| 06:16 |
blaise |
that's crazy latency |
| 06:16 |
blaise |
I've got like 50ms latency to yahoo.com so I don't think it's my connection |
| 06:16 |
blaise |
but I've noticed people timing out on my sever.. |
| 06:17 |
blaise |
so I can't help but wonder if there is anything I can do to prevent timeouts |
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blaise |
Miner_48er: sup |
| 06:27 |
Miner_48er |
hi |
| 06:31 |
blaise |
:) |
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blaise |
!up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000 |
| 06:41 |
MinetestBot |
midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (257ms) |
| 06:42 |
blaise |
well, that's better |
| 06:43 |
blaise |
that's better, not great.. but better... |
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| 07:05 |
daswort |
if a mod is dark green in the UI does that mean it is incompatible` |
| 07:24 |
proller |
blaise, try freeminer for less timeouts |
| 07:34 |
blaise |
o.O |
| 07:34 |
blaise |
proller: ?! |
| 07:36 |
blaise |
ah, it's a fork |
| 07:36 |
blaise |
the thing is, I'm not the one timing out.. |
| 07:36 |
blaise |
and other people are able to maintain connections.. |
| 07:37 |
blaise |
so I haven't the foggiest idea wtf is causing it.. |
| 07:37 |
blaise |
I can only assume it's on their end.. or a bad route |
| 07:37 |
Peacock |
you mean people laying there dead or standing up? |
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blaise |
Peacock: I mean I see timed out messages in my server logs |
| 08:01 |
Peacock |
for anouncing to server list? |
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blaise |
no, for players |
| 08:09 |
Peacock |
oh, thats normal |
| 08:11 |
blaise |
k |
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| 09:36 |
Megaf |
Good morning folks |
| 09:36 |
Megaf |
And here we have today's crash http://paste.debian.net/75184/ |
| 09:36 |
Megaf |
03:03:00: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...st/bin/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua:1045: attempt to index local 'fuel' (a nil value) |
| 09:37 |
Megaf |
Now even the default mod is indexing this nil thing |
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| 09:49 |
proller |
Megaf, try FM - it have disabled crashes ;) |
| 09:49 |
VanessaE |
you probably removed a mod that was providing some fuel that's in a furnace somewhere nearby |
| 09:49 |
VanessaE |
the fuel became nil |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I disabled mobs only |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
perhaps someone was burning rats |
| 09:49 |
VanessaE |
could be |
| 09:49 |
VanessaE |
I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, See? That's what's about what I said yesterday, anything stupid will bring the server down |
| 09:50 |
Megaf |
the correct behavior would be just set nil to 0 or empty |
| 09:51 |
Megaf |
if = nil replace with empty |
| 09:51 |
VanessaE |
that's just it |
| 09:51 |
Megaf |
proller, did you fix that too? |
| 09:51 |
VanessaE |
most of the time, you can't |
| 09:51 |
VanessaE |
if you did that, you'd never know there was an error |
| 09:51 |
blaise |
there's a bash script I used to keep my eggdrops up.. I'm considering implementing it with a crontab entry |
| 09:51 |
blaise |
:D |
| 09:51 |
Megaf |
Problem is, almost all common errors generate just a nil thing |
| 09:52 |
proller |
fm not crashes when lua error appear |
| 09:52 |
Megaf |
There should be more things than only "nil value" |
| 09:52 |
VanessaE |
in order for the game to detect that something has to be done with a nil, it HAS to crash first. |
| 09:52 |
proller |
it ignore any errors, just write them to log |
| 09:52 |
VanessaE |
otherwise the mod coder will often never see that the nil happened |
| 09:53 |
VanessaE |
have you ever coded a mod? |
| 09:53 |
Megaf |
sometimes a nil is not a bad thing nor a bug, its just a fuel that does not exists anymore |
| 09:53 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: you can't just "move on" with "that nil thing" |
| 09:54 |
VanessaE |
because 'that nil thing' has different meanings depending on context |
| 09:54 |
VanessaE |
if you just "move on" you are guaranteed to break stuff |
| 09:57 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, how can I help you with that "<VanessaE> I had to fix a similar crash in homedecor's ovens" |
| 09:57 |
Megaf |
I could test it for you |
| 09:57 |
Megaf |
in another server |
| 10:00 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: report it as an issue on the minetest github page. |
| 10:00 |
VanessaE |
it wasn't homedecor that I fixed, either... |
| 10:00 |
VanessaE |
what was it.. |
| 10:00 |
VanessaE |
oh, it was in realtest I think |
| 10:01 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/commit/36f7fa59a1e5bdfb8474215a94008e614538532c |
| 10:01 |
VanessaE |
it was probably the wrong place to do it, but worked |
| 10:01 |
VanessaE |
in that particular case, obviously it wasn't a fuel |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game/commit/847afd2e5b634fbd0c95bada9eab9442683e26fb |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
that one was the fix |
| 10:02 |
VanessaE |
same idea |
| 10:03 |
VanessaE |
idk if current minetest_game code needs a similar fix or not |
| 10:03 |
VanessaE |
didn't look |
| 10:03 |
kahrl |
VanessaE: shouldn't that be something like "if not cooked or not cooked.item or cooked.item:is_empty()" |
| 10:04 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: probably. it was just a quick hack to stop the crash anyway |
| 10:05 |
VanessaE |
I seem to run the only server on the 'net that uses that game, so somehow I got roped into maintaining it :) |
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| 10:07 |
blaise |
is there any way to get the nature pack without having to create an account on bitbucket? |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
blaise: just git clone it |
| 10:07 |
VanessaE |
but nature pack is outdated |
| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
don't use it |
| 10:08 |
blaise |
oh, |
| 10:08 |
VanessaE |
use plantlife + the stuff in minetest_game |
| 10:09 |
blaise |
VanessaE: is this outdated as well? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=607 |
| 10:10 |
blaise |
or, is there flowers in plantlife ? |
| 10:10 |
blaise |
or flowers_plus ? |
| 10:10 |
blaise |
:D |
| 10:10 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game supplies flowers |
| 10:10 |
blaise |
kewl |
| 10:11 |
VanessaE |
and plantlife modpack adds a few other plants as well |
| 10:16 |
VanessaE |
also that farming mod you pointed to, there's already farming in minetest_game |
| 10:17 |
blaise |
I grabbed undergrowth and dryplants |
| 10:17 |
blaise |
:) |
| 10:17 |
VanessaE |
you |
| 10:18 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 10:18 |
VanessaE |
you'll like those, but bear in mind they add some mapgen lag |
| 10:18 |
Megaf |
Oh dear, that Giant Sequoia takes ages to grow |
| 10:18 |
blaise |
during map generation? |
| 10:19 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: they're supposed to. that's intentional |
| 10:19 |
VanessaE |
you can configure that |
| 10:19 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 10:19 |
VanessaE |
blaise: yeah |
| 10:19 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, Yep I can |
| 10:19 |
Megaf |
=) |
| 10:19 |
blaise |
so I need to regenerate my map or I wont get any use out of these mods? |
| 10:20 |
blaise |
also, pine sappling caused issues with snow |
| 10:20 |
blaise |
I read on the forum that someone had the same issue |
| 10:21 |
blaise |
so I'm sure the author is aware.. |
| 10:21 |
blaise |
unless he/she died or something.. |
| 10:21 |
* blaise |
hopes not.. |
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| 10:21 |
blaise |
I also modified the no_guests "mod" so no one can use the name "Admin" |
| 10:22 |
blaise |
these attempted "Admin" login's are clogging up my server log, |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: my version already does that: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6719965/ |
| 10:23 |
kahrl |
Megaf_, VanessaE: the furnace code doesn't crash when the fuel is an unknown item |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
er blaise ^^^^ |
| 10:23 |
kahrl |
it crashes when the furnace's metadata somehow loses the "fuel" inventory list |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: hm, well Megaf's problem must be a different one then. perhaps if the cooked result .... yeah |
| 10:24 |
kahrl |
should the furnace self-repair in such a case? |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
as long as it won't cause loss of an item |
| 10:25 |
blaise |
is there a way to get the furnace to dump into a chest or several? |
| 10:25 |
blaise |
maybe with pipes or something? |
| 10:25 |
kahrl |
I don't know how it would lose the inventory list in the first place, and when it does any item in the list is already lost |
| 10:25 |
VanessaE |
blaise: pipeworks mod. |
| 10:25 |
blaise |
excellent. |
| 10:26 |
Megaf_ |
Why cant it just remain as a movable "unknown item? |
| 10:26 |
Megaf_ |
blaise, VanessaE's pipeworks mod |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: I can't help but wonder: is this a sign of some more serious, underlying problem? |
| 10:27 |
kahrl |
perhaps |
| 10:27 |
kahrl |
could also just be caused by some mod, though |
| 10:28 |
VanessaE |
possibly |
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| 10:29 |
VanessaE |
the reason I asked that though is...well, that ignore-instead-of-air issue I had on my map, this loss-of-inventory megaf had, those sudden invisible fences kaeza had (the models were nil).... |
| 10:30 |
kahrl |
those sound pretty unrelated |
| 10:30 |
VanessaE |
yes, but with one exception: they're all stored in the map and they all involve something being nil'd out |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
maybe three isolated cases of map corruption |
| 10:31 |
kahrl |
the fence models aren't stored in the map, are they? |
| 10:31 |
VanessaE |
somehow they must be |
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| 10:32 |
VanessaE |
because some of the neighboring fence nodes were fine |
| 10:32 |
VanessaE |
so if not the model then the reference to it anyway |
| 10:32 |
kahrl |
since we never merged meta_set_nodedef, they can't be... |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
I think they are xfences though, hence nodeboxes |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
not that that matters any |
| 10:33 |
kahrl |
unless they're entities, no |
| 10:34 |
VanessaE |
the weird thing is, if you place a node next to the invisible one, it becomes visible and takes on its normal properties |
| 10:34 |
trauerlicht |
bye bye |
| 10:35 |
kahrl |
maybe just some mesh generation issue? |
| 10:35 |
VanessaE |
if kaeza were here he'd be able to link to the screenshot of it |
| 10:35 |
VanessaE |
no idea |
| 10:35 |
VanessaE |
but it happens for me on his map too |
| 10:35 |
kahrl |
do they disappear again when you remove the node you placed next to it? |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 10:36 |
kahrl |
hrm |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
I expect simply calling nodeupdate() for the affected positions would also make the invisible nodes reappear. |
| 10:37 |
Peacock |
memory corruption? :P |
| 10:38 |
Peacock |
ive been getting some weird shit as well, more than usual |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: on three different servers and three different clients? perhaps, but I tend to doubt it :) |
| 10:39 |
Peacock |
like my shieldgen that works 99% of the time, tho yesterday i got two halves of a sphere at random positions |
| 10:40 |
Peacock |
well if something in minetest is corrupting the memory you would get it across all clients wouldn't you? |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 10:40 |
blaise |
wow... |
| 10:40 |
Peacock |
i'm just at a loss to explain why things behave normally in one instance but are fucked up the next |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
what? |
| 10:41 |
Peacock |
doesn't really point to a mod code error, otherwise it would be fucked up all the time |
| 10:41 |
blaise |
so beautiful! |
| 10:41 |
blaise |
these new mods are awesome! |
| 10:41 |
VanessaE |
aren't they though? :) |
| 10:44 |
Megaf_ |
blaise, you should see my server... I use tones of VanessaE's mods |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 10:44 |
Peacock |
which tones exactly? pastel or? :P |
| 10:45 |
Megaf_ |
Peacock, pastel ones, and naturals too |
| 10:45 |
Peacock |
hehe |
| 10:45 |
Megaf_ |
like tones of woods |
| 10:45 |
Peacock |
karl recently proposed evening and morning woods :P |
| 10:45 |
Megaf_ |
blaise, moretrees, plantlife, musrooms, homedecor are some of the mods from here I use |
| 10:45 |
blaise |
do I set time_speed = 1 in world.mt ? |
| 10:46 |
Peacock |
thats realtime :P |
| 10:46 |
Megaf_ |
do that in minetest.conf |
| 10:46 |
blaise |
Megaf_: I don't have one. |
| 10:46 |
Megaf_ |
Peacock, yep, Megaf Till It Ends uses a real time setting |
| 10:46 |
Peacock |
minetest-master/minetest.conf |
| 10:46 |
blaise |
it's a dedicated server.. |
| 10:46 |
blaise |
can anyone set what time of day it is? |
| 10:46 |
Peacock |
it still has a minetest.conf somewhere |
| 10:47 |
blaise |
Peacock: no, it doesn't. |
| 10:47 |
Peacock |
realtime is one thing, if i could find my weather script from two years ago, i could simulate the weather i have here lol |
| 10:47 |
Peacock |
no minetest.conf, then how did you set your server_name? |
| 10:48 |
blaise |
in world.mt |
| 10:48 |
Megaf_ |
ok, so set that there |
| 10:48 |
Megaf_ |
and tell us if that works |
| 10:50 |
Megaf_ |
I wish I had a much faster internet |
| 10:50 |
Megaf_ |
downloading a torrent at only 1.3 MB/s =/ |
| 10:51 |
blaise |
so /time 550000 is ten till 6? |
| 10:51 |
Peacock |
faster than alot of the old shit i find lol |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
5500 would be about 5:30am |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
it's decimal |
| 10:52 |
blaise |
oh.. |
| 10:52 |
blaise |
6000 is 6am though, right? |
| 10:52 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 10:52 |
blaise |
k |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 10:54 |
Peacock |
could always write a time converter |
| 10:55 |
Megaf_ |
<Peacock> faster than alot of the old shit i find lol |
| 10:55 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf_: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 10:55 |
blaise |
I wanna add worldedit |
| 10:55 |
Megaf_ |
still not fast enough when you want to download 5.4 GB |
| 10:56 |
Peacock |
that's all? lol |
| 10:56 |
Peacock |
X-Files = 70gb |
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| 11:01 |
blaise |
complete M.A.S.H collection 52GB |
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| 11:01 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* I hate programmers sometimes. |
| 11:02 |
Peacock |
mash is a bit beyond my years :P though it still played on TV growing up, i know because my mother watched it lol |
| 11:02 |
Peacock |
which programmers? |
| 11:02 |
* blaise |
attacks Peacock with an angry dog |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: the ones responsible for the linux kernel or Suspend to RAM, whoever it is that broke that feature on M3A770DE boards. |
| 11:03 |
Peacock |
ah well, linux aint what it used to be :P the golden years were 06-08 |
| 11:03 |
Peacock |
then the old timers went and the younguns came in :P |
| 11:04 |
blaise |
I'm not particularly fond of this fast moving version scheme they've got going at kernel.org |
| 11:04 |
Peacock |
NIH, re-inventing the wheel with pulseaudio and gnome3, it's all poop now |
| 11:04 |
blaise |
pulseaudio is the devil. |
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| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
it has lost a lot of what used to be good about it. |
| 11:05 |
blaise |
VanessaE: can't you roll back to the kernel that worked last? |
| 11:05 |
Peacock |
these days win and lin are pretty much equal, both have their tradeoffs |
| 11:05 |
Peacock |
blaise tried using an old kernel for my p4 with the fucked up vid card, don't recommend it :P |
| 11:06 |
Peacock |
a new vid card was cheaping than the weekend or two it would have cost me to fix the problem :P |
| 11:06 |
Peacock |
*cheaper |
| 11:06 |
blaise |
I compile custom kernels... so it's really not a big deal.. I hardly ever use binary packages unless I need to install something like libreoffice or something disgustingly large |
| 11:06 |
VanessaE |
I thought "well it's my motherboard that's the problem", so I bought a replacement. No dice, it too has the same issue (it goes down for suspend, starts flashing the power light, but the OS hangs at screen+flashing cursor, then the machine suddenly powers off completely several seconds later, and usually won't resume properly (requiring me to hit reset) |
| 11:06 |
VanessaE |
I haven't done a custom kernel in years. |
| 11:06 |
VanessaE |
s/screen+/blank screen+/ |
| 11:07 |
blaise |
VanessaE: have you tried a tux on ice kernel ? |
| 11:07 |
VanessaE |
tux on ice? not familiar with that |
| 11:07 |
Peacock |
i can't and don't compile custom kernels :P what attracted me to linux is that it had gotten simpler over the years, now that's reversing |
| 11:07 |
blaise |
it's specific for using suspend and hybernate features |
| 11:08 |
VanessaE |
what's this got that pm-utils et al. don't |
| 11:08 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 11:09 |
* blaise |
shrugs |
| 11:09 |
blaise |
people seem to have better luck with it.. I've never had any problems |
| 11:09 |
VanessaE |
looks quite old, targeted at the old 2.6 series kernel |
| 11:09 |
blaise |
I have a thinkpad 600e that suspends and hybernates just fine using vanilla sources |
| 11:10 |
blaise |
thinkpad, vaio, and an aspire.. |
| 11:10 |
blaise |
three laptops working fine with suspend, and hybernate.. |
| 11:10 |
Peacock |
my netbook is fine but not more than 2 years old |
| 11:10 |
blaise |
although I'll admit, I never moved to the systemd |
| 11:10 |
Peacock |
p4, that takes a 12 pack to fix |
| 11:11 |
blaise |
actually the thinkpad 600e is a pentium2 |
| 11:11 |
blaise |
366MHz |
| 11:11 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 11:11 |
Peacock |
Mesopotamian :P |
| 11:11 |
VanessaE |
suspend works fine on my husband's box, but not on mine. new power supply, new(ish) motherboard, using husband's video card and CPU, RAM I know has been wrung out left right and sideways, tried with NO peripherals (not even my usual network+wireless cards), even tried booting from live USB. |
| 11:11 |
VanessaE |
nothing works. |
| 11:12 |
Peacock |
the ironic thing is today's netbooks very much resemble the dimensions of the laptops i had in 94-96 |
| 11:12 |
blaise |
hrmm.... |
| 11:12 |
Peacock |
though now i havew 250gb rather than 300-400mb lol |
| 11:12 |
VanessaE |
it just. will. not. resume. (usually) |
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| 11:13 |
Peacock |
i bet filing bug reports for that is loads of fun :P |
| 11:13 |
kahrl |
VanessaE: tuxonice's latest patches are for 3.10.23 and 3.12.4 |
| 11:13 |
Peacock |
"well suspend/resume works fine on my machine so you must be doing something wrong" *closes bug report* lol |
| 11:13 |
blaise |
in the boot loader it's usually esential that there be a kernel perameter that points to your swap partition .. aka resume=/dev/sda3 |
| 11:13 |
Peacock |
alot of ppl dont use swap anymore |
| 11:14 |
Peacock |
they have ridiculous amounts of ram they never use up |
| 11:14 |
blaise |
some people even mkswap a whole seperate partition just for hybernation |
| 11:14 |
blaise |
I've never had any issues with it |
| 11:14 |
Peacock |
though honestly, computers now boot up so fast, what do you need hibernation for? so long as you configure startup to launch all the apps you need |
| 11:15 |
VanessaE |
no swap here. 16GB of DDR1333 RAM (that my board seems quite happy to auto-overclock to DDR1600) |
| 11:15 |
blaise |
if you have the acpi package installed you should be able to acpi -V to get all acpi information on the machine via sudo or the root console |
| 11:15 |
Peacock |
well hibernation might be tricky without swap :P last i heard it saves the computer's state to swap unless thats changed |
| 11:16 |
Peacock |
acpi is fucked up on my p4 lol |
| 11:16 |
blaise |
VanessaE: swap partition is imparative to being able to hybernate.. |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: suspend/resume takes 1-2 seconds on a properly designed system. booting takes 20-30 seconds from power-on to fully ready on even the fastest SSD's. |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
blaise: not hibernate -- suspend. |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
suspend to RAM. |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
husband's machine has no swap either. |
| 11:16 |
blaise |
suspend to ram is activated via acpi mechanics.. |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
yes? |
| 11:17 |
blaise |
so, it does go into suspend.. and then just shuts down the rest of the way? |
| 11:18 |
blaise |
does the cpufreq scaling work? |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
well the command does. |
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| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
I have a script set to put the CPU scheduler into performance mode when it comes up |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
wait |
| 11:19 |
Peacock |
takes about 10 seconds on most of my rigs too |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
"no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| 11:20 |
Peacock |
efi was designed for rootkits, which was a pretty big thing :P |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
odd. |
| 11:20 |
kahrl |
dunno why they needed to create a new OS when they designed efi, could've just used emacs |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
wait, wtf? |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
my cpu freq governor doesn't work? |
| 11:21 |
VanessaE |
when did that break? |
| 11:21 |
Peacock |
yeah but with emacs you get RMS, so get your lube ready lol |
| 11:21 |
blaise |
VanessaE: what linux distro are you using? |
| 11:22 |
VanessaE |
blaise: Xubuntu 12.04 |
| 11:22 |
* blaise |
runs away screaming |
| 11:22 |
Peacock |
try archbang or crunchbang |
| 11:22 |
VanessaE |
now now |
| 11:22 |
VanessaE |
I use Debian 7 on my server. |
| 11:22 |
VanessaE |
I just use ubuntu at home so I don't have to argue as much :) |
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| 11:23 |
Peacock |
lol if i ever have to make my own distro just to get working linux, ill go running back to win lol |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: I said Xubuntu. |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
not ubuntu. |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
as in xfce, not unity. |
| 11:23 |
blaise |
:) |
| 11:23 |
VanessaE |
fuck unity straight up the ass with a rusty pipe. |
| 11:24 |
VanessaE |
and NO lube. |
| 11:24 |
Peacock |
unity is more or less gnome3 |
| 11:24 |
blaise |
I use fluxbox as my x env |
| 11:24 |
Peacock |
unity and gnome3 take turns banging people lol |
| 11:24 |
blaise |
it's nice and minimalistic.. low mem footprint for gaming.. |
| 11:25 |
Peacock |
archbang uses... wtf |
| 11:25 |
Peacock |
something box |
| 11:25 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: [01-09 06:22] <VanessaE> blaise: Xubuntu 12.04 |
| 11:25 |
Peacock |
blackbox or openbox |
| 11:25 |
VanessaE |
so yeah, typo on the second line. |
| 11:25 |
Peacock |
i said archbang :P |
| 11:25 |
Peacock |
arch might as well be freebsd |
| 11:26 |
blaise |
eh, |
| 11:26 |
Peacock |
i had enough of the cli in the late 80s and early 90s lol |
| 11:26 |
blaise |
Peacock: I guess you didn't like pacman very much? |
| 11:26 |
Peacock |
geeks today might think its the hottest shit, but thats because they didn't live through a period where that's all there was :P |
| 11:26 |
blaise |
I did.. |
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| 11:27 |
Peacock |
pacman was ok, but dependency resolution/ordering is shit for upgrades |
| 11:27 |
blaise |
hurd is the GNU kernel + gnu userland |
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| 11:27 |
Peacock |
screw GNU lol |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
ok, screw it. |
| 11:27 |
kahrl |
you type too fast for the bot! |
| 11:27 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 11:27 |
* VanessaE |
burns 13.10 to USB and installs it. |
| 11:28 |
blaise |
I use gentoo based distro's |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
(good thing 99.9% of my system install is scripted) |
| 11:28 |
Peacock |
gentoo means compiling everything right? |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: almost. |
| 11:28 |
blaise |
yeah.. |
| 11:28 |
Peacock |
yeah, my liquor store ain't that big |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
and it still takes three days to install :) |
| 11:29 |
blaise |
I can get gentoo installed in 10 min on modern hardware |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
every so often I play with the idea of going back to gentoo. |
| 11:29 |
xiong |
Is $ minetestserver --config <file> a repeatable option or can it accept multiple values? |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
then the visions of racing stripes and "Type-R" stickers fade and I come to my senses ;) |
| 11:29 |
blaise |
john_minetest: always test the waters with a virtual machine.. |
| 11:29 |
kahrl |
xiong: no |
| 11:30 |
blaise |
VanessaE: lmao |
| 11:30 |
xiong |
Alternately, does the acceptable syntax allow for includes? |
| 11:30 |
blaise |
I just like having the option of the latest and greatest.. |
| 11:30 |
blaise |
and it keeps me on my toes as far as software dep tree's and what needs what |
| 11:30 |
Peacock |
gentoo: when you wish free as in beer actually meant just free beer :P |
| 11:30 |
kahrl |
xiong, not either |
| 11:31 |
blaise |
although that libpng malarchy a while back was a bit of a pita |
| 11:31 |
xiong |
kahrl, Has anyone asked these types of questions previously? |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
I hate beer :P |
| 11:31 |
kahrl |
dunno |
| 11:31 |
kahrl |
not me anyway |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
blaise: the worst for me was when poppler was a problem. |
| 11:31 |
xiong |
Thanks, kahrl. I guess we'll add this to the todo list. |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
I forget what it conflicted with but it and the other thing each basically wanted to dominate half of portage. |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: trial by fire? ;) |
| 11:32 |
blaise |
VanessaE: yeah, that one was another headache.. XD took me about 2 hours.. |
| 11:32 |
Peacock |
re pacman, i dont mind pacman so much, its half the useful shit being in aur and most of the helpers being difficult to install through pacman ironically lol |
| 11:32 |
kahrl |
xiong: the problem is that minetest(server) must be able to rewrite the config file |
| 11:32 |
blaise |
john_minetest: mine was slackware.. in the early 90's .. I ran a BBS back then on win3.11fwg |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
ok here goes. be back in an while. |
| 11:32 |
blaise |
and powerbbs for win |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
not that this is gonna do any good. |
| 11:33 |
xiong |
Right. Which is another reason you want multiple files; so the parts that the executable writes on its own are kept separate from the rest. |
| 11:33 |
Peacock |
i guess V's computer finally suspended :P |
| 11:33 |
blaise |
Peacock: you didn't use ABS ? |
| 11:33 |
Peacock |
abs? naw, packer came with archbang |
| 11:34 |
Peacock |
though that stopped working, and you couldn't get yaourt through pacman either then |
| 11:34 |
blaise |
AUR is the user repo.. ABS is the build system |
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| 11:34 |
VanessaE |
actually, strike that. |
| 11:34 |
blaise |
yaourt is stale as all get out.. |
| 11:34 |
VanessaE |
I am NOT gonna update. |
| 11:34 |
blaise |
VanessaE: lmao |
| 11:34 |
Peacock |
i dont know the specifics of arch or archbang :P i just liked that it used less CPU than most of the distros |
| 11:34 |
VanessaE |
I just remembered why I went back to 12.04. |
| 11:34 |
Peacock |
(for the p4 that counts) |
| 11:35 |
VanessaE |
because 13.10 uses NFS4 which fucking sucks ass. |
| 11:35 |
blaise |
nfs4 ? |
| 11:35 |
blaise |
you mean cifs. right? |
| 11:35 |
Peacock |
wat no btrfs? :P |
| 11:35 |
blaise |
Peacock: we're talking about network filesystems |
| 11:35 |
VanessaE |
no, I mean NFS. |
| 11:36 |
blaise |
VanessaE: why don't you use network block devices ? |
| 11:36 |
blaise |
it's a lot faster than nfs |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
because I've been using NFS for years, so force of habit. |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
at least I already know how to use it, etc. |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
nfsv4 is shit. |
| 11:36 |
blaise |
heh |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
slowest thing I've ever dealt with |
| 11:37 |
blaise |
I use sshfs if I'm going over untrusted networks |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
this is just for sharing between my PC and my husband's |
| 11:37 |
blaise |
other than that it's nbd kernel module with an fstab line |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
for making backups, sharing our music library, etc. |
| 11:38 |
blaise |
indeed. |
| 11:38 |
VanessaE |
I can't guarantee both machines will always be up, so nfs + autofs |
| 11:38 |
xiong |
Actually, kahrl; the longer I think about that, the worse it sounds. The client writes to minetest.conf when user fiddles in the GUI. But when does 'minetestserver' ever write out, and why? |
| 11:43 |
Peacock |
i prefer cellos in the GUI |
| 11:43 |
xiong |
Funny, Peacock. But I can't think of a reason for the server to write to minetest.conf. |
| 11:46 |
Peacock |
ah well consider yourself lucky, it used to overwrite settings :P |
| 11:48 |
Peacock |
opensuse sounds dirty in french so i haven't touched it lol |
| 11:48 |
Peacock |
it roughly translates to openBJs |
| 11:49 |
Peacock |
oddly enough the mobo on my last netbook died when i had arch on it |
| 11:53 |
Peacock |
what linux needs is an old-style soviet purge of all the superfluous distros and focus its efforts on a few good ones lol |
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| 11:57 |
blaise |
john_minetest: I used suse before they were aquired by novel |
| 11:58 |
blaise |
I've come across an issue with this new map I generated after installing all these mods |
| 11:58 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 11:59 |
blaise |
I have no snowy area's |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
that's normal |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
mapgen mods can only generate in new land |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
they can't re-generate land you've already explored |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
you have to start a new world or delete your existing map file to force it to start over |
| 12:00 |
blaise |
I did. |
| 12:00 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 12:00 |
VanessaE |
snow mod must be doing something wrong then |
| 12:00 |
VanessaE |
I have heard some compatibility issues from it lately |
| 12:00 |
blaise |
:\ |
| 12:00 |
* blaise |
sobs quietly in the corner |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
however, |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
it will add snow over time |
| 12:01 |
* blaise |
cheers up a bit |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
I think |
| 12:01 |
blaise |
I hope so |
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| 12:02 |
Peacock |
hactually |
| 12:02 |
Peacock |
you could tweak paramat's mods to regenerate land |
| 12:02 |
Peacock |
voxmynips is voxmynips, whether you use it in ongen or some other function |
| 12:02 |
VanessaE |
impossible. the engine doesn't re-run on-gen hooks. |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
well |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
I guess not impossible |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
but I guess you'd have to tell it exactly where to regenerate |
| 12:03 |
Peacock |
well that's as complex as WE |
| 12:03 |
Peacock |
so it's doable |
| 12:04 |
Peacock |
but the noise values don't change between ongen and whatever other function you call it from afterwards |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
true |
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| 12:07 |
Peacock |
the trick is basically taking all the stuff in ongen and placing it in a separate function you can call from both ongen and other places |
| 12:07 |
Yepoleb |
Is there a way to modify the frame time of animated textures? |
| 12:08 |
Peacock |
yeah theres a length param i think |
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| 12:09 |
Yepoleb |
How can I set it? |
| 12:09 |
Peacock |
uhm, look at lava flowing or water flowing, it should be in there (in default/nodes.lua) |
| 12:10 |
Yepoleb |
I want to include it in a texture pack |
| 12:11 |
Peacock |
well you can't affect the length of an animation from a texture pack |
| 12:11 |
Peacock |
thats set in the nodedef |
| 12:13 |
Yepoleb |
So I need to remove frames from the animation to slow it down? |
| 12:18 |
kahrl |
xiong: when you use /set it changes the settings on the server |
| 12:19 |
blaise |
john_minetest: it used rpm.. rpm doesn't follow standards |
| 12:19 |
blaise |
which was why I didn't like redhat |
| 12:20 |
blaise |
I had a fractional T-1 and a few multi-io serial boards, and about 600 external zoom modems.. |
| 12:20 |
blaise |
trying to become an ISP |
| 12:20 |
blaise |
back in the day |
| 12:20 |
blaise |
then AOL and Prodigy came out and squashed my hopes and dreams |
| 12:21 |
blaise |
$5/m 50MB quota, unlimited connect.. |
| 12:21 |
* blaise |
sobs profusely |
| 12:22 |
blaise |
I just couldn't compete with those massive bastards |
| 12:22 |
blaise |
I hate capitalism |
| 12:23 |
Peacock |
meh, i ran a UPS shop, that lead to a bankruptcy lol |
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Peacock |
shit happens |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Set locale properly when built without gettext support 10fdbf7375 2014-01-09T05:46:02-08:00 http://git.io/58NYyQ |
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VanessaE |
sapier: so.... about mobf |
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VanessaE |
so I re-enable it for yet another try? |
| 14:36 |
VanessaE |
do* |
| 14:36 |
VanessaE |
and tempt fate |
| 14:37 |
sapier |
the bugfix is in master git by now only |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
or do I leave my server deader than 4 o'clock? :) |
| 14:37 |
sapier |
I'm about to release a bugfix 2.3.6 this weekend |
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troller |
фтв ше ыешдд тще цщклы, |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
I run from your git repo anyway |
| 14:37 |
troller |
and mobf still not works? |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
troller: um, wut? |
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Exio4 |
john_minetest: what cpu |
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sapier |
I guess it'll never work as it's not a worker |
| 14:38 |
Exio4 |
you only have four cores |
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sapier |
troller your bugs should be fixed in git too |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
the one my server uses registers as 4 cores of "Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2130 CPU @ 3.40GHz" |
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specing |
does minetest even retry conencting at "connecting to server..."? |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
(and it performs like it, too) |
| 14:39 |
Exio4 |
intel cores = amazing, intel "hyperthreaded cores" = shitty shit |
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Exio4 |
VanessaE: it is a dual core + hyperthreading |
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Exio4 |
two powerful threads next to do shit threads |
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troller |
MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false |
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VanessaE |
Exio4: perhaps, but it seems to work quite well and actually that's just about right for my workload |
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troller |
18:40:15: ERROR[ServerThread]: invalid startposIndex: (11,5,5)Realpos: (256,1342,671) |
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sapier |
do you have pathfinding enabled troller? |
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sapier |
I didabled it for good reason ;-) it's using way more cpu power then expected |
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Exio4 |
-j5 -j6 -j7 -j8 |
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Exio4 |
try them |
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troller |
sapier, all defaults |
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troller |
MOBF: Your mob ostrich_f table: 0x241e1e28 dropt into water moving to (3294.710938,98.300002,-17.181990) state: drop |
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sapier |
are you sure this is default setting? |
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troller |
mobf_animal_spawning_secondary",true |
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sapier |
ok I missed to lower the the water drop message |
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sapier |
I guess the to many message isn't relevant for users too |
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sapier |
ok the two mobf warnings should be gone now too |
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sapier |
I'm gonna have a look if I can avoid the pathfinding message too, but that might be more tricky |
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troller |
2 hyperthreaded cores == 1.8 hardware cores |
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sapier |
depends on what you're doing |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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specing |
troller: would you have anything against tnt throwing stacks of 99 instead of individual drops? |
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troller |
nothing, better to stack all and drop stacked all from explode |
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troller |
server created 22 hours ago and.. 3339 players visited, (1800 of therm Guest*) |
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specing |
.... |
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ShadowNinja |
john_minetest: You lagged and sent a bunch of messages at a time, ShadowBot kicked you within a second. |
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ShadowNinja |
Hah. |
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xyz |
you just set include paths correctly |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: jeija mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Remove command block until #136 is fixed 3f76b77001 2014-01-09T08:39:59-08:00 http://git.io/NbjMhA |
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ShadowNinja |
Good thing I don't have the commandblock enabled... |
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xyz |
yeah sure |
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xyz |
that's like saying "it's not very common to make sure code compiles" |
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PilzAdam |
its not very common to code |
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ShadowNinja |
That could be fixed by running everything as the placer and replacing ${nearest} and the like in the params. |
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Jeija |
If you are a server owner and you run mesecons, please update it immediately. |
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VanessaE |
already did it |
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Jeija |
good |
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Robby |
can I safely use moreores without conflict? I see that it also adds gold and copper, which are already in the game |
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Robby |
I guess when that mod was created in 2011 gold and copper were not in the default game so this wasn't a problem...but now? |
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Jeija |
Hi john_minetest |
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Calinou |
Robby, moreores is pretty dead |
| 17:23 |
Robby |
o |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
feel free not to use it |
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PilzAdam |
Calinou, move it to old mods then? |
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Robby |
okay :P |
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Calinou |
done, PilzAdam ^_^ |
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kaeza |
Calinou, why is it pretty dead? :( |
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Calinou |
because it has no real use |
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kaeza |
it's still being widely used |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
we have enough ores in the default game now |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
you can still download it |
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kaeza |
but...but...mithril... |
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Robby |
yea |
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Robby |
and tin |
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kaeza |
(and silver) |
| 17:25 |
Robby |
and silver |
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Robby |
:D |
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Calinou |
john_minetest, it's already an ore-gasm :3 |
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Robby |
lol |
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kaeza |
hah |
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Robby |
ore-gy |
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Robby |
:P |
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Calinou |
the bad thing of bones is, they are still placed when player dies with no items |
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Calinou |
and when player dies with 1 item only, the item should be just dropped |
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Robby |
Calinou: how about moreblocks? also dead? |
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Robby |
also, how about updating moreores to remove gold and copper and just keep the ones that aren't in the default game? |
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VanessaE |
moreblocks, dead? hardly. |
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Robby |
VanessaE: the reason I'm asking about both mods actually is because I just added your homedecor mod :P |
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Robby |
and I see both are listed as recommended |
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VanessaE |
moreores is still needed because I use the tin that's in it. |
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VanessaE |
(the fridge needs it) |
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Robby |
yeah, but how does moreores behave nowadays? (now that there is gold and copper in the game already) |
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VanessaE |
behaves fine afaic.s |
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Robby |
does it conflict? or not? or do I need to edit the lua files or anything |
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VanessaE |
afaics. |
| 17:30 |
Robby |
oh |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
just install and go. |
| 17:31 |
Robby |
great |
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Robby |
:) |
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Calinou |
Robby, More Blocks is still alive, and fine |
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Calinou |
it has a real use |
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Calinou |
cool decorations ^_^ |
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Calinou |
john_minetest, I created moreblocks/moreores/maptools |
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Robby |
k, I'll be adding that too :P |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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xyz |
sfan5: how do I build minetest with leveldb for windows? |
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Robby |
Calinou: moreblocks is throwing some error in the console |
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Robby |
Could not load image "invisible.png" while building texture |
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Robby |
I see that image is referenced from here: moreblocks/init.lua: inventory_image = "invisible.png", |
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Calinou |
oh |
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Calinou |
I think it's a definition that is no longer needed |
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Calinou |
Robby, normally fixed |
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Calinou |
try to re-download the mod again |
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Robby |
ok ty, I'll git pull |
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Calinou |
that works too :) |
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Robby |
yeah, its fixed now :) thanks |
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ShadowNinja |
Jeija: I submitted a pull to fix #136. Also: Long time, no see. Welcome back. :-) |
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ShadowNinja |
https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/pull/137 |
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Jeija |
ShadowNinja: Wouldn't really prefer that possibility |
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Jeija |
Well, now not so sure that I look at it... |
| 17:56 |
ShadowNinja |
Jeija: Also, textures should be moved out of mesecons_textures and into the individual mods, you have to enable the parts and mesecons textures, which makes the server load all of the textures rather than just what's needed. |
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Jeija |
Can you still /teleport like some other player to another position? |
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ShadowNinja |
Do you mean "@nearest", "teleport", "1,2,3"? |
| 17:57 |
ShadowNinja |
(That becomes "teleport", "@nearest 1,2,3") |
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Jeija |
yeah or "playerxy" "teleport" "1,2,3" |
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ShadowNinja |
Yep, just have to move things around. |
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Jeija |
is it compatible with older versions? |
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ShadowNinja |
Well, the commands will always run on the placer, so it might not work as expected until you add @nearest or similar to the parameters, and you will have to dig and replace it for the new formspec, but there isn't a different node or anything like that. |
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Jeija |
I'm still not sure |
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Jeija |
I'd say that is something uberi as the creator of the command block should decide |
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ShadowNinja |
Got any better ideas? |
| 18:01 |
Jeija |
I won't interfer in his decision as long as it is secure |
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ShadowNinja |
Well, that could be a while, but I guess we can wait. |
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Jeija |
Well, didn't Uberi already have something in his code that if the command block wants to execute a command that the placer did not have the priv for, it wouldn't do it? |
| 18:02 |
ShadowNinja |
/monitor + Uberi :-) |
| 18:03 |
Jeija |
Do you know why it didn't work? |
| 18:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, but it doesn't work if the command checks privs itself, like /grant, because the privs are checked as the placer and the command is run as @nearest, or whatever you specify. |
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sfan5 |
xyz: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/libleveldb-1.12-win32.zip |
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Jeija |
? But if the placer does not have a specific priv, why did it still execute it as @nearest? Shouldn't it just abort execution? |
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ShadowNinja |
GTG |
| 18:07 |
Jeija |
bb |
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xyz |
sfan5: i need sauce |
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sfan5 |
xyz: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/leveldb |
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sfan5 |
contains windows sources that do not use boost |
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xyz |
ok, cool |
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xyz |
hope it works with msvc and is not too broken |
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sfan5 |
the version I compiled works perfectly |
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sfan5 |
tested it myself |
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sfan5 |
oh fuck logic, deluge downloads things it isn't supposed to dl |
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sfan5 |
0.00% on every file it should dl |
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sfan5 |
and already 0.66% on the one it shouldn't |
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Robby |
VanessaE: a friend of mine is interested in the Chains item but the crafting guide has 4 unknown items |
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Robby |
......and I just noticed there's an alternate recipe button :) |
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Robby |
and also what seems to be missing... glooptest |
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Robby |
might wanna add that to the recommended section of the home decor thread :p |
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zat |
Damn!! Both moretrees and tiny trees are slow as &%%$#... |
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zat |
Isn't there any light mod for trees? |
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meldrian |
what's tiny trees? |
| 19:11 |
meldrian |
don't know this so fare |
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meldrian |
-e |
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sfan5 |
!g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results found for 'tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.n et'. |
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sfan5 |
!g tiny trees mod site:forum.minetest.net |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5713 |
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sfan5 |
^ meldrian; this one |
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meldrian |
i love this bot |
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meldrian |
well, it's moretrees with smaller trees then? |
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VanessaE |
not exactly |
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VanessaE |
but the idea is similar |
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* rubenwardy |
is getting weird errors with |
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VanessaE |
? |
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* rubenwardy |
is getting weird errors with SDL_RenderCopy |
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zat |
My world has bunches of v6 jungles, zero issues. |
| 19:25 |
zat |
I enable moretrees or trees and they spend about 60% of processing time. |
| 19:25 |
zat |
There must be a serious issue with either both mods or plants_lib. |
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Calinou |
mods that do world generation are slow |
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VanessaE |
plants_lib has to evaluate the terrain manually. the hard way. |
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Calinou |
generation should be done in C++... |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
because there is no proper API call that says "give me a list of all nodes of type X that have air above them" |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. "give me all surfaces of type X") |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
that's the single biggest CPU hogging piece of code in plants_lib and I made it as fast as I possibly could |
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sapier |
Calinou if you could use async api and voxelmanip mods could do generation independent of main server loop thus not causing lag |
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Calinou |
but, can you? |
| 19:33 |
sapier |
almost |
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xyz |
you almost can, but the problem is that you can't |
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sapier |
async api is in core as of 0.4.9 but not enabled for scriptapi right now ... most api calls can't be done async therfor it's use is limited |
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sapier |
and noone wanted to take the risk for upcoming release |
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blaise |
my minetest server crashed, and this is the last entry.. 18:40:02: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: Drag0n233: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client) |
| 19:34 |
blaise |
what does that mean? |
| 19:34 |
sapier |
that one shouldn't crash server |
| 19:34 |
xyz |
nothing |
| 19:34 |
xyz |
provide a stacktrace |
| 19:35 |
blaise |
interesting. |
| 19:35 |
sapier |
calinou if you're interested in using voxelmanip in async this can be added quite fast, but you can't use most of lua api within a async call |
| 19:35 |
blaise |
xyz: if it means nothing, why should I provide a strace |
| 19:36 |
xyz |
blaise: exactly because what you provided means nothing and doesn't explain the crash |
| 19:37 |
sapier |
what version do you run blaise? |
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proller |
i can reduce 100->50 online minetest players in one keypress! ahahaha |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
what to do about "Guest" players in the default game? |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
will they be removed? |
| 19:44 |
EvergreenTree |
!g no_guest site:forum.minetest.net |
| 19:44 |
MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8168 |
| 19:44 |
EvergreenTree |
nlah |
| 19:45 |
EvergreenTree |
*blah |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
EvergreenTree, I know about that |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
but I mean, in the default game... |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
the Guest people usually idle, or do pointless things |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 19:45 |
EvergreenTree |
Once, someone was afk at spawn on VE's server, and he picked up some stuff me an cheapie were trading |
| 19:46 |
EvergreenTree |
we couldn't get them back because of him |
| 19:48 |
zat |
Well, if plants_lib is so slow because of that I dont see why the issue hasnt been fixed already. |
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kaeza |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWZLa4AnN5k |
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sfan5 |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Xbox One Sign Out Trolling - YouTube |
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sfan5 |
ahahahaha |
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xyz |
i'm afraid you're applying to the wrong job |
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sfan5 |
^ |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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Peacock |
john powerpoint skills are essential, how else is management supposed to understand anything with little pictures? :P |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
*without |
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ShadowNinja |
Heh, we don't care it you can code your own office suite, you need to know MS Office. :-) |
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sfan5 |
john_minetest: >other compiuter skills were secondary |
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sfan5 |
this is why http://reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport exists |
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Peacock |
but what would be the point of coding another office suite? we have enough incompatible formats :p |
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sfan5 |
computer* |
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* sfan5 |
goes to sleep |
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* Peacock |
suspends sfan5 to ram |
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Jordach |
mmmmmmm |
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sfan5 |
I won't fit onto the two 128M ram sticks I have here D: |
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* sfan5 |
suspends to HDD |
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Peacock |
they still make those? |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
its damn near impossible finding sticks for my old p4 now lol |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
well i can find it online, but having worked for UPS, i dont trust those guys lol |
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proller |
http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png - whats next? |
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fwilson |
proller: o.o how'd you do that? |
| 22:45 |
proller |
what? |
| 22:45 |
fwilson |
the map |
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proller |
five years ob building |
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fwilson |
no, how'd you generate the map image :P |
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xyz |
five years of pixel art, of course |
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xyz |
there's minetestmapper.py in ' |
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xyz |
'util' directory |
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proller |
.c |
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proller |
btw need update node colors |
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proller |
of ice,snow, ... |
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proller |
http://paste.org.ru/?lcktas |
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proller |
its faster than write new imager |
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xyz |
4 hours of autism and the result http://i.imgur.com/liMy6pk.png |
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xyz |
completely static build |
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Hirato |
even glibc? :3c |
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blaise |
hey, how do I make them die if there are too many? 23:22:33: ACTION[ServerThread]: MOBF: Too many 6 vombie at one place dying: false |
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xyz |
i no glibc on windows |
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xyz |
full msvc autism |
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xyz |
with /mt, /md, directx sdk, patches to irrlicht's zlib and shit |
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blaise |
I believe this may decrease my server load/latency |
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xyz |
still not all dependencies integrated |
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sapier |
blaise: if you get that message one is dieing right then |
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