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kaeza |
did you leave your...privates in London? |
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Peacock |
lol that's what it looks like |
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Peacock |
i also had to block all these ppl signing in as admin, it was getting annoying |
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EvergreenTree |
hm, lot's of netsplits on almost all the channels I'm on |
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NekoGloop |
well of course |
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NekoGloop |
netsplit affects the server |
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NekoGloop |
because it's the loss of connection to one of the server nodes |
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NekoGloop |
happens a lot on freenode. |
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zat |
Anybody tried this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.9/minetest-0.4.9.zip |
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zat |
#&%$& sorry I mean: https://github.com/Splizard/minetest-mod-snow |
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kaeza |
what about it? |
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zat |
Is it good, is it bad, is it recommendable, is it stable, good for production, etc... |
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kaeza |
I tested it some time ago. pretty good, but suffered from the entity dupe bug |
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kaeza |
it's good |
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proller |
but it cant melt.. |
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Peacock |
i think i still have a copy of my 4seasons crap somewhere, saw it a few days ago |
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Peacock |
though its totally useless to me i use 32px texs |
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Darkangel |
how do u set a Repository from Github? |
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Peacock |
you must travel to Mordor |
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Darkangel |
how does 1 get minetest "Online mod repository" to work in the mods tab? |
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kaeza |
is it not working? |
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Darkangel |
nope when i click it it shows nothin |
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Darkangel |
or crashes the client like it did resently |
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kaeza |
seems to work OK from here |
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kaeza |
(0.4.9-dev, Ubuntu Linux) |
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ShadowNinja |
Darkangel: Does your build have CURL support? |
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Darkangel |
i have no clue what that is |
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ShadowNinja |
Darkangel: Where did you get it? |
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Darkangel |
Package manager |
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ShadowNinja |
Darkangel: What distro? |
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Darkangel |
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS |
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Darkangel |
alpha 1 |
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ShadowNinja |
They might only have 0.4.8... |
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Darkangel |
they have 4.9 but not 4.9-dev |
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ShadowNinja |
IDK who makes ubuntu packages for the main ppas. |
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Darkangel |
me neather |
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ShadowNinja |
Well, you can grab a build from minetestdevs/stable. |
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Darkangel |
i never been tought how to compile |
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ShadowNinja |
That should have CURL. |
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ShadowNinja |
That's a PPA. |
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ShadowNinja |
apt-add-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable && apt-get update && apt-get install minetest-c55 |
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ShadowNinja |
(Or I think that's it, I don't use apt anymore) |
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Darkangel |
kk |
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EvergreenTree |
You may want to learn how to copile things though, especially in linux |
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EvergreenTree |
*compile |
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Darkangel |
where at? |
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EvergreenTree |
There really isn't a |
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EvergreenTree |
"place" |
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EvergreenTree |
to learn it |
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EvergreenTree |
as compiling steps can vary quite a bit |
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EvergreenTree |
!g how to compile on linux |
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MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: http://www.wikihow.com/Compile-a-Program-in-Linux |
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EvergreenTree |
those instructions don't cover all prgrams |
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EvergreenTree |
look in the INSTALL file for list of commands |
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EvergreenTree |
if there isn't an INSTALL file, look in the README |
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ShadowNinja |
For Minetest it's just "cmake . && make -j5 && make install" after installing dependencies. |
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EvergreenTree |
and to install the dependencies: |
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EvergreenTree |
sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev |
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EvergreenTree |
you can use the ppa for minetest though |
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EvergreenTree |
The thing is you may run into some programs which don't have a ppa |
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Darkangel |
kk |
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Darkangel |
in createing a server whats "Seed" for? |
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ShadowNinja |
Darkangel: It's used to randomize the mapgen. |
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Darkangel |
kk |
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Darkangel |
so dont need any thing in that? |
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xyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224 |
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xyz |
hijacking the thread with OSS software propaganda |
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kaeza |
isn't the first time, and I don't think it will be the last |
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Peacock |
its onpon, what do you expect? ive been trolling him for months lol |
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xyz |
"ive been trolling him" |
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xyz |
you sure it's not the other way? |
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Peacock |
i have to admit it would be a highly sophisticated troll if he didn't believe his own bullshit, but i don't think that's the case here |
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Peacock |
did you see the one about his claiming to defend windows? :P |
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Darkangel |
windows sucks |
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zat |
You dont say. |
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Peacock |
regardless of how people feel about windows... :P the best games, work and study software are coded for it |
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Darkangel |
OUYA console any good? |
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ShadowNinja |
I've heard it isn't. But I haven't used it. |
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blaise |
I find it highly inapropriate for users on my server to proclaim they they are female and that they want me to be their boyfriend |
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blaise |
and ask to live with me |
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blaise |
02:03:52: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <luke4378> come here i have a surprize |
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blaise |
fricken creepers! :P |
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fwilson |
lol :P |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Revert "Improve (re)spawn, add cache_block_before_spawn and max_spawn_height settings" 0fd5c61c00 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/fshHpg |
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GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Pass pointed_thing to after_place_node c46574f30f 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/ajRo6g |
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GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add protection support to auto-rotated nodes 9551f651cb 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/8TRDZw |
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GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Prevent auto-rotated nodes replacing the nodes they are placed on 811ea6cfc0 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/vCH1pg |
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zat |
Someone knows how I make ice blocks opaque so players cannot see underground caves through them? |
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ShadowNinja |
zat: Try minetest.registered_nodes["default:ice"].use_texture_alpha = false |
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zat |
Thanks for the suggestion ShadowNinja, I will try. |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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PenguinDad |
hi sfan5 |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on PenguinDad's head |
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GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Don't lookup node texts in a endless recursion loop 6f661f77a6 2014-01-07T02:15:24-08:00 http://git.io/wec8Dw |
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xyz |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/236#issuecomment-31738937 |
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xyz |
here we go again |
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pitriss |
eh why ishould be sending hash to server bad and sending unencrypted plaintext password good? Did I miss something? |
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xyz |
it's not bad |
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xyz |
people should stop pretending they know what is secure and what is not |
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pitriss |
by common sense is better to send hash to server... this can prevent sniffing passwords in raw network traffic.. It doesn't block break In to ingame account (because they obtain whole hash) but still they didn't get your pass, so they are limited to this account only. |
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pitriss |
But yes I'm not security expert and I don't try to be security expert:) |
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zash |
Use SCRAM |
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zash |
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5802 |
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xyz |
zash: pull requests are welcome |
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zash |
xyz: Teach me C++ and I'll consider it ;P |
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sfan5 |
pitriss: the hashes need to be salted and hashed on the server side again then to prevent someone using the hash to login to other servers |
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zash |
We have Lua code for it tho |
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xyz |
then don't just say "use RANDOMINTERESTINGSTUFFIREADABOUTAWEEKAGO" |
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xyz |
another case of a person pretending to be a security expert ^^^ |
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xyz |
should I explain why what sfan5 suggests is wrong? |
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zash |
Not pretending to be a security expert, just familiar with what other protocols use for authentication. |
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sfan5 |
xyz: in which way is what I said wrong? |
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xyz |
alright |
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xyz |
explain how the hell salting and hashing on the server side will prevent me from sniffing your traffic and using the hash to log into other servers |
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xyz |
explain how this solves anything |
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sfan5 |
oh derp |
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sfan5 |
I forgot the hash goes to the server too |
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sfan5 |
this would "solve" looking into the auth.txt file |
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sfan5 |
forget what I said |
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zash |
SCRAM solves these issues. You can store a hash on the server, store a hash on the client and send hashes on the wire. |
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zash |
Capturing on-the-wire hashes doesn't allow someone to log in or get the password easily. |
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xyz |
<xyz> zash: pull requests are welcome |
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sfan5 |
oh that guy again https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8228 |
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sfan5 |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Mods under minetest 0.4.9 won't work. (Page 1) — Bugs and Problems — Minetest Forums |
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sfan5 |
>MODS UNDER 0.4.9 WON'T WORK AND THERE ARE NO MODS FOR MINETEST 0.4.9!! |
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* sfan5 |
gives sfan5 a beer |
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sfan5 |
lol, wrong button |
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NekoGloop |
then minetest 0.4.9 doesn't exist |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head |
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PenguinDad |
maybe because the 0.4.9 milestone isn't finished ;) |
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sfan5 |
this fu**ing guy!! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124895#p124895 |
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sfan5 |
he drives me mad |
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xyz |
kids |
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xyz |
am I right that there's currently no mod which adds 0.3 mobs to the game? |
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* sfan5 |
does not know one |
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Hirato_ |
you'd think that would be one of the mods that would be developed in an official capacity :p |
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rubenwardy |
c55 made a mod with mobs in, 0.3 style |
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xyz |
where? |
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webdesigner97_ |
hi |
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webdesigner97_ |
:O |
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fwilson |
\o |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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recracktor |
ELO |
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PenguinDad |
hi PilzAdam |
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hoodedice |
I need feedback on this: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-pavilion-dv7-3000eb/4507-3121_7-35276725.html |
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hoodedice |
Specifically the CPU. Ground speed is 1.6 GHz,but claims that it can get to 2.8 |
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hoodedice |
Peacock: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-pavilion-dv7-3000eb/4507-3121_7-35276725.html |
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Peacock |
wtf is that? :P |
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hoodedice |
A laptop I'm thinking of buying |
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Peacock |
not free enough, you should buy this: http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/12/19/1856232/free-software-foundation-endorses-a-truly-free-laptop |
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Peacock |
:P |
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Peacock |
2006, not too shabby XD |
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PilzAdam |
lol, rubenwardy wants to send passwords in plaintext to the server: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/236#issuecomment-31738937 |
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Peacock |
seems legit |
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hoodedice |
lol |
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Peacock |
back in my day, md5 was more than enough for hashing (this was around the time the horseless carriage first appeared) |
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hoodedice |
I'm getting that shit for $300 |
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hoodedice |
Hmm, nVidia 230 looks ok. |
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Peacock |
can you disable users from enabling full viewing range on your server, does it affect lag? |
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Peacock |
erm, disable = prevent |
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sfan5 |
no you can't |
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recracktor |
Hmm. |
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Peacock |
poop, but it does it cause lag on the server when people(s) have it on? |
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recracktor |
You can't set their draw distance, but you can set the transfer distance, no? |
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recracktor |
I always get complaints about the map being loaded too "lazily". |
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Peacock |
lemme check minetest.conf example for that transfer distance thing, might do the trick |
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rubenwardy |
draw distance shouldnt affect block send distance. |
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Peacock |
the only thing i see is the one about seeing players at any distance |
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harrison |
i have thought for a long time that a virtual world like secondlife or opensim with minecraft terrain would be good |
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harrison |
although a raytracer is more interesting to work on than a minecraft block meshing renderer |
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harrison |
or even than a tracer/rasterizer hybrid |
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harrison |
i don't know that anyone besides me has coded a tracer/rasterizer hybrid |
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Peacock |
i always thought it highly ironic they would call it "Second Life", implying their players have a first life to begin with :P |
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harrison |
no ur |
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Peacock |
well i've seen a few news reports on 2nd life when the game was still hot, and thought "those people are nuts" lol |
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Peacock |
course, buying and selling fake land is nothing new, there was activeworlds that had the same approach in the 90s |
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recracktor |
hmm |
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recracktor |
It might be my crappy upload speed, though. |
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recracktor |
128K/s is not sufficient for a MT server, is it? |
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harrison |
Peacock, SL is not a game |
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harrison |
One can play games in it |
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Peacock |
depends on how many mods and players your server takes |
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rubenwardy |
brb |
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recracktor |
Peacock: idk, custom textures, worldedit, mesecons. Max users set to 8. |
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proller |
better with 1 |
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Peacock |
mesecons is some heavy shit, worldedit less so since voxmynips |
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hoodedice |
*voxmynips* |
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hoodedice |
Hai rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
Hi! |
| 16:54 |
Peacock |
vanessa's trees are cool, but you might wanna disable the spawning bit |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224 |
| 16:55 |
* Jordach |
sits the idiot card on the table |
| 16:55 |
hoodedice |
onpo4 and I go a looooooong way |
| 16:56 |
hoodedice |
*onpon4 |
| 16:56 |
hoodedice |
Or rather, me and his sister |
| 16:56 |
Peacock |
how so? |
| 16:56 |
Peacock |
well he probably open sourced his sister, so she's been around ;) |
| 16:57 |
hoodedice |
http://www.punk-o-matic.net/smf/index.php?topic=381.msg7959#msg7959 |
| 16:57 |
hoodedice |
Booyah |
| 16:57 |
hoodedice |
! |
| 16:58 |
hoodedice |
You find the weirdest of people in the weirdest of places |
| 16:58 |
Peacock |
you mean on #-dev ? :P |
| 16:58 |
hoodedice |
lol |
| 16:59 |
hoodedice |
I meant that link I passed, if you didn't see it |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
meh, no fan of religious discussions, we get enough of that on free software lol |
| 16:59 |
hoodedice |
lol haha |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
there be weird people in #-dev |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
yarr, tis true |
| 17:00 |
hoodedice |
But did you read what she posted? |
| 17:00 |
hoodedice |
"onpon4 is my brother" |
| 17:00 |
hoodedice |
0.0 |
| 17:00 |
hoodedice |
O.O |
| 17:00 |
Peacock |
naw just saw it was religious and backed off lol |
| 17:00 |
* Jordach |
wonders who hoodedice is in that convo |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
>74 pages |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 17:00 |
hoodedice |
hoodedice myself. I joined that forum much later |
| 17:01 |
hoodedice |
So, yes,I am on pg 73 |
| 17:01 |
Jordach |
lol |
| 17:01 |
hoodedice |
I could never get myself to post anything after that |
| 17:01 |
hoodedice |
SOftware is much easier |
| 17:01 |
* Jordach |
has finished a new type of model, but is hiding it |
| 17:01 |
hoodedice |
No one gets hurt |
| 17:01 |
Peacock |
lol an atheist who places his/her faith in the FSF... i guess some people can't ditch having a belief system, they just shift it to a different platform lol |
| 17:01 |
hoodedice |
"Except Rick Stallman" |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
ha |
| 17:02 |
Jordach |
all hail C55 |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
Flight Safety Foundation? |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
i was referring to the Cult of Stallman :P |
| 17:02 |
hoodedice |
Fighting Silly Feynixes? |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
which kinda reminds me of scientology lol |
| 17:02 |
hoodedice |
oh wait, |
| 17:02 |
kaeza |
all hail the FSM! |
| 17:03 |
kaeza |
also greetings |
| 17:03 |
Peacock |
greetings, carbon unit |
| 17:03 |
recracktor |
Did anyone say "BDSM"? |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
all hail FreeBDSM |
| 17:03 |
hoodedice |
All hail MSC!!! |
| 17:03 |
* recracktor |
slaps Jordach. |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
recracktor, fuck me |
| 17:03 |
hoodedice |
AKA MS (c)!! |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
i said that right after you did without looking |
| 17:03 |
hoodedice |
No Jordach |
| 17:03 |
Peacock |
FreeBSD takes care of the bondage, sadism and domination, linux is for the masochists lol |
| 17:04 |
hoodedice |
Thy hast been... |
| 17:04 |
hoodedice |
ninj'd |
| 17:04 |
recracktor |
Peacock: good point. |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
Peacock, with penguins ;) |
| 17:04 |
hoodedice |
!g masochist |
| 17:04 |
MinetestBot |
hoodedice: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/masochist |
| 17:04 |
hoodedice |
Thank you, Bot |
| 17:04 |
recracktor |
!g ambivalency |
| 17:04 |
MinetestBot |
recracktor: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ambivalency |
| 17:04 |
recracktor |
That one is relevant, hoodedice. |
| 17:05 |
hoodedice |
No. We are indeed masochists |
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hoodedice |
We spend hours and hours and then somebody pops up |
| 17:05 |
hoodedice |
YOUR MOD SUX IT NO WORKS |
| 17:05 |
hoodedice |
or |
| 17:06 |
hoodedice |
I MAKE NEW AWESOME 1111 MOD !!!11111ONE |
| 17:06 |
hoodedice |
or |
| 17:06 |
Peacock |
linux being for masochists is a reference to trying to get help on some distro forums lol |
| 17:06 |
hoodedice |
MINECRAFT IS BETTER. |
| 17:06 |
Peacock |
and spending hours if not days installing or fixing a broken install :P |
| 17:06 |
recracktor |
No, it's a reference to getting some Linux OS to work, Peacock. |
| 17:06 |
hoodedice |
ok, cya later g2g peeps |
| 17:06 |
recracktor |
o/ |
| 17:06 |
Peacock |
see my second message :P |
| 17:06 |
recracktor |
:_ |
| 17:06 |
recracktor |
I see* |
| 17:07 |
recracktor |
Interestingly, peopleraise eyebrows when they hear someone is using BSD. |
| 17:07 |
recracktor |
s/er/e r/ |
| 17:07 |
recracktor |
When in fact, most things just work out of the box there. |
| 17:08 |
PilzAdam |
most things work out of the box on Linux for me |
| 17:08 |
Peacock |
well yeah RMS has a hardon for freebsd, according to some mailing list archives lol |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
Is that the operating system where a pointy thing moves across the screen when you move the mouse? |
| 17:08 |
xyz |
how do I get object id of lua entity? |
| 17:08 |
recracktor |
rubenwardy: no, it's the graphical shell. |
| 17:08 |
Peacock |
i tried freebsd but i was dismayed the image didn't come with a live session, just a live CLI, and id hate to have to use that in the event of major borkage |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
xyz, IIRC there is no way |
| 17:09 |
xyz |
awesome |
| 17:09 |
PilzAdam |
why do you need it? |
| 17:09 |
recracktor |
Peacock: in the event of a major borkage, this is what you're usually left with, on any os. |
| 17:09 |
* rubenwardy |
read bondage |
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PenguinDad |
bye |
| 17:10 |
* rubenwardy |
is rewriting chatplus |
| 17:10 |
recracktor |
bondages are useful if you're disciplining someone, indeed. |
| 17:10 |
Peacock |
yeah but with say crunchbang, i can boot up the live session, back up shit or fix configs and shit using graphical editors and file managers :P |
| 17:10 |
BlockMen |
hi |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
don't worry, it uses the same data structures. |
| 17:10 |
Peacock |
when shit breaks you're stressed enough you dont want to have to remember a bunch of CLI kung fu lol |
| 17:10 |
xyz |
PilzAdam: I need a way to differentiate lua entities |
| 17:10 |
Peacock |
give 'em IDs |
| 17:10 |
PilzAdam |
xyz, your own ones? |
| 17:10 |
PilzAdam |
in Nodetopia/mobs I have my own ID system |
| 17:10 |
recracktor |
well, it is probably built on the assumption the person is familar with the way things are done in text interface. |
| 17:11 |
xyz |
yes, I know, I can just add my own ID |
| 17:11 |
xyz |
but that's awful |
| 17:11 |
xyz |
especially with stuff like "and may be indexed using minetest.luaentities[objectID]" |
| 17:11 |
xyz |
in docs |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
well the only other alterntive i guess would be to make a pull so the engine does it |
| 17:11 |
xyz |
awesome, it can be indexed, too bad you don't get to know object id |
| 17:11 |
kaeza |
xyz, if it's something simple, ent1 ~= ent2 works |
| 17:12 |
Peacock |
add_entity returns and objectref, though i guess you could change that to return objectref + object id |
| 17:12 |
PilzAdam |
xyz, maybe search in minetest.object_refs for the ID? ;-) |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
does minetest.setting_getbool(name) return nil if the setting does not equate to a boolean? |
| 17:13 |
xyz |
kaeza: I need to index stuff in a table |
| 17:14 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, it returns nil if the setting isnt set |
| 17:14 |
rubenwardy |
what if setting is "asjbas", does it return true, false or nil? |
| 17:14 |
xyz |
writing a mobs mod in moonscript to troll people |
| 17:14 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 17:14 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, false |
| 17:15 |
PilzAdam |
ypi cam try it with minetest.is_yes("asjbas") |
| 17:15 |
PilzAdam |
-typos |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
lol is_yes |
| 17:15 |
xyz |
https://gist.github.com/xyzz/79abb066dd3772ff631d |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
minetest.yes_this_is_dog |
| 17:16 |
Jordach |
ohai Exio4 |
| 17:16 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: :P |
| 17:21 |
rubenwardy |
crazy, xyz |
| 17:34 |
xyz |
minetest wasn't designed for stuff like taht |
| 17:38 |
* rubenwardy |
was trying to debug chatplus, and then realized he hadn't enabled it |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
i tried to update my OS but realized the computer wasn't plugged in :P |
| 17:44 |
PilzAdam |
the PPA is updated for 0.4.9 now |
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zat |
You should make the need to enter a password more obvious. I have dozens of attempts to log in to my server, with empty passwords. |
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xyz |
http://i.imgur.com/j5i1Zy2.jpg |
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rubenwardy |
Chatplus 0.5 Released -!- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124934#p124934 |
| 18:28 |
rubenwardy |
Freeminer specific features (coloring) means that i will use freeminer.colorize to color the chat channel (make different players nicks different colors). |
| 18:29 |
rubenwardy |
Inspired by chatplusplus |
| 18:32 |
xyz |
http://new-bamboo.co.uk/blog/2014/01/07/reflections-on-open-source |
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| 18:33 |
xyz |
just read the issue examples if there's too much text for you |
| 18:34 |
rubenwardy |
self closers :P |
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| 18:39 |
Peacock |
"there comes a point when you probably need to decide whether to recruit helpers, or even stop maintaining it altogether and hand over to others," |
| 18:39 |
Peacock |
which one would you recommend for MT? |
| 18:40 |
Peacock |
well the article highlights problems in the beginning, and proposes solutions at the end, just reading the problems portion doesn't help anything lol |
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| 18:43 |
Inocudom |
Freeminer needs its own dedicated build maker. |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
issues build up regardless, taking on more devs just means more features being added (along with the occasional new bug) |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
unless you specific create a bugfix section and assign someone to it |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
1 feature : 10 bugs |
| 18:45 |
Peacock |
lol and judging from the logs, it's frequently "i didn't do that, the other guy did" :P |
| 18:46 |
Peacock |
or the world famous "WorksForMeâ„¢" :P |
| 18:46 |
xyz |
wontfix |
| 18:46 |
Peacock |
that too :P |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
xyz, yet another "everything sucks" article |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
but well, that's you... |
| 18:47 |
xyz |
i only read issues |
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Peacock |
calinou if people can't look at OSS critically, then nothing ever gets fixed :p |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
better smoke weed |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
</sarcasm> |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
(and complain at the same time) |
| 18:50 |
Peacock |
jordach's department :p |
| 18:51 |
Inocudom |
Freeminer had many changes made to it lately. It looks like it needs its own nightly build maker. |
| 18:51 |
Peacock |
well its better than pretending something is perfect when it isn't, and advocates misleading people into using solutions not proper to people's needs :P |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
no it isn't |
| 18:52 |
Peacock |
though i like the ad hominem about weed lol even though i haven't used the stuff in over a year now ;) |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
good :) |
| 18:53 |
sapier |
usually worksforme wontfix and Ididntdothat are useless as the problem is there and has to be fixed no matter who did cause it ;-) |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
except nothing gets done so long as certain people take it on faith that everything works :P |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
you got two groups of oss people, the technical, and the religious :P |
| 18:56 |
Peacock |
(religious or moralistic depending how you see it) |
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* EvergreenTree |
waves branch |
| 18:59 |
sapier |
imho if you don't know exactly something works for sure it's usually broken |
| 18:59 |
* Peacock |
takes EvergreenTree:apple |
| 18:59 |
EvergreenTree |
so I'm an apple tree now? |
| 19:00 |
EvergreenTree |
okay |
| 19:00 |
Peacock |
i was a little surprised that in 048 the update listener/random teleport bug and failed to allocate player bugs were still there :/ |
| 19:00 |
sapier |
evergreenappletree ... your name is getting longer and longer |
| 19:01 |
sapier |
peacock did you write a issue for them? |
| 19:02 |
Peacock |
they've been discussed ad infinitum :P and got <sapier> usually worksforme wontfix and Ididntdothat |
| 19:02 |
Peacock |
so i gave up, others are free to try :P |
| 19:03 |
Peacock |
but it's usually an uphill problem just proving the problem exists (or getting someone to admit it exists) |
| 19:03 |
Peacock |
*uphill battle lol |
| 19:04 |
sapier |
I always believe people they have bugs but can't do much about it until they provide a description beeing detailed enough to reproduce it |
| 19:04 |
Peacock |
i think even V has given up trying to report some problems lol |
| 19:05 |
Peacock |
well where can i find a debug build that will provide all the info you need for that update listener: invalid/teleport random bug? |
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sapier |
can you try to explain to me what happens? |
| 19:07 |
* EvergreenTree |
pokes Jordach |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
o/ |
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Peacock |
lemme get the line out of my log (could take a few mins to load) |
| 19:09 |
Peacock |
21:29:51: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value |
| 19:09 |
Peacock |
then i get teleported somewhere far off the map where one of the coords is usually e0.<randomnumbers> |
| 19:09 |
Peacock |
Ritchie reported the same problem when his brother plays |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
usually happens when ive been digging a lot and start moving |
| 19:10 |
xyz |
did you run memtest? |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
no one ever asked me to |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
do i do that while mt is running or do i shutdown? |
| 19:11 |
xyz |
yes, chances that your memory is broken are very damn low |
| 19:11 |
xyz |
yes, you'll have to reboot, and it also takes a lot of time |
| 19:11 |
Peacock |
well this happens on both the old p4 and the new dualcore, |
| 19:12 |
Ritchie |
helo, here it happened on old amd athlon xp |
| 19:13 |
xyz |
well updateListener error doesn't seem to be related at all |
| 19:13 |
xyz |
it's from sound subsystem |
| 19:13 |
xyz |
if you think it is related maybe try disabling it? |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
disabling sound? (using ALSA here) |
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DenSpirit |
Hello. If I download and install all the mods that are used in a particular server, will my connect to this server be faster? |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
disabling updatelistener i wouldn't know how to do |
| 19:16 |
xyz |
DenSpirit: no, that'll only work if your cache matches that of server |
| 19:16 |
xyz |
Peacock: yes, since updateListener error comes from sound subsystem |
| 19:16 |
xyz |
do you really think it's related? |
| 19:17 |
Peacock |
im no dev i don't know, i just know the update listener log flood happens at the same time as being flung off the map |
| 19:17 |
Peacock |
i do know when i've been playing a long time, all the sounds start echoing (like its played several times) |
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coin_ |
How do you actually run and play minetest? |
| 19:35 |
coin_ |
never mind, I figured it out |
| 19:39 |
sapier |
peacock on what os do you play? |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
crunchbang which is mostly just debian wheezy with extras |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
though if memory recalls, it happened on archbang still |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
both had alsa |
| 19:40 |
Peacock |
*still = as well |
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EvergreenTree |
o/ |
| 19:59 |
EvergreenTree |
Hi Darkangel |
| 19:59 |
Darkangel |
hello |
| 19:59 |
sapier |
I don't think it's related to sound peacock ... question still is what exactly happens, do you have mods installed? |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
yeah though it happens across different gamepacks |
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rubenwardy |
is (0 < x < 5) a valid c++ if statement contents? |
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raffahacks |
hello |
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ShadowNinja |
rubenwardy: Yes, but it might not do what you think it does... |
| 20:07 |
rubenwardy |
So it's not a range? |
| 20:07 |
ShadowNinja |
(((int)(bool)(0 < x) < 5)) |
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rubenwardy |
oh |
| 20:08 |
rubenwardy |
so it sees if the result of x<5 is bigger than 0, so basically only returns true is x<5 is true |
| 20:08 |
ShadowNinja |
You want (0 < x && x < 5) |
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rubenwardy |
ok |
| 20:09 |
Broam |
yeah, C has no *between* operator |
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rubenwardy |
I wrote that anyway, I was just wondering if there is a quicker way |
| 20:09 |
Broam |
some variants of SQL do, 's all I know |
| 20:09 |
xyz |
python! |
| 20:09 |
ShadowNinja |
it checks if the result of 0 < x (boolean, 0 or 1) is less that 5. |
| 20:09 |
ShadowNinja |
than* |
| 20:10 |
Broam |
ShadowNinja: sometimes compilers will use -1 for true. :D |
| 20:10 |
xyz |
https://gist.github.com/xyzz/c70a17afcb37e6aa8865 |
| 20:10 |
Broam |
implementation-dependent hacks are never a good thing, though. C has no between operator. |
| 20:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Broam: Well, regardless, the second will always be one thing. |
| 20:11 |
xyz |
Broam: they won't |
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xyz |
because it's a part of standard |
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xyz |
true is 1, false is 0 |
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Broam |
current compilers, yes. |
| 20:11 |
Broam |
back in the wild west days. :D |
| 20:11 |
xyz |
death is inevitable |
| 20:12 |
xyz |
well, not sure what days are you talking about, but now it's a part of the standard |
| 20:12 |
xyz |
how do you like my moonscript shit? |
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rubenwardy |
bye guys |
| 20:13 |
xyz |
compiles to https://gist.github.com/xyzz/4c37e2b3dfe568b2e04d |
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rubenwardy|phone |
(but not really good bye) |
| 20:15 |
xyz |
I love how I don't have to write `local` everywhere, and then there are classes, and no need to write `end`, and code blocks have to be indented (python-like) |
| 20:15 |
xyz |
overall the syntax is OK |
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rubenwardy|phone |
Does it require a moonscript minetest build to run? |
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xyz |
no |
| 20:19 |
xyz |
no need to modify minetest |
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xyz |
you just compile it to .lua and that's it |
| 20:22 |
proller |
python-like - NOT ok |
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rubenwardy|phone |
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/12001/ hiding and showing console window at run time. |
| 20:23 |
rubenwardy|phone |
you could add a cmd line param, a chat command on client, or a menu button. |
| 20:23 |
rubenwardy|phone |
but proller, python-like is pythonic! |
| 20:24 |
xyz |
it seems someone has set up a highlight on "python" |
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rubenwardy|phone |
lol |
| 20:26 |
xyz |
rubenwardy|phone: you don't need moonscript'ed minetest to run it because when distributing you just precompile everything |
| 20:27 |
rubenwardy|phone |
So you turn moonscript code into lua code? |
| 20:27 |
xyz |
yes, that's what moonscript is |
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Inocudom |
Will there be a new Freeminer build soon? |
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PilzAdam |
thats totally ontopic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124943#p124943 |
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PilzAdam |
do these people just pick random topics? |
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xyz |
this fucking thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224 |
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xyz |
sfan5: please don't shitpost |
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Peacock |
lol user asks for help, gets a debate on proprietary compression formats and software, lord in heaven help us lol |
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sapier |
quite normal peacock but we still don't have any idea what really happens in your case |
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Peacock |
i tried in minetest game, dug for half an hour (though i usually have to play for a couple of hours for it to happen) |
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Peacock |
the only anomaly i noticed in minetest game was that when i died i didn't respawn, and my hearts refilled 5-10 minutes later |
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sapier |
hmm ... strange |
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EvergreenTree |
On some servers I die, but don't respawn and gain all my helath back |
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Peacock |
another weird thing is a bug that was fixed a long time ago: blocks reappearing and disappearing after being dug |
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EvergreenTree |
*health |
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EvergreenTree |
I have no idea why that happens |
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Peacock |
me neither lol |
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Peacock |
might explain why i see sam in the death position moving around my server footstep and all |
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sapier |
peacock thats a lag issue |
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rubenwardy|phone |
I sometimes die and never respawn, just get the health back. |
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Peacock |
yeah the lag is something else, even with 6 players and the lowest number of mods of all the servers, mt gobbles up both cores :/ |
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Peacock |
so that's ruben, evergreen and me who die but don't die lol |
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sapier |
client as well as server use a full core that's intended |
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Peacock |
i guess we can call that the jesus-resurrection bug :P |
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Jordach |
Peacock, me too |
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Peacock |
4 ppl |
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xyz |
you do respawn |
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xyz |
you just don't move to spawnpoint |
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Peacock |
should i be respawning in the same spot? and why the delay for health reload? |
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xyz |
no, that's a bug, of course |
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sfan5 |
xyz: mhm ok, can moonscript map lines in the lua file back to the moonscript src? |
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sapier |
peacock do I understand correct that you run into this bug after hours of digging only? |
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Peacock |
after hours of digging/building, and it usually hits when i'm moving too |
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sapier |
that's hard to track down |
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Peacock |
so what should i do, set the debug log level to max? |
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Peacock |
or should i learn to backtrace for the next time it happens |
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sapier |
I don't think this is gonna help much .. in best case you find some way more quick way to run into that bug |
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Peacock |
yeah that could be tricky to track down, it doesn't usually hit in the first hour or two of play |
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sapier |
actually this bug could be almost everything |
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Peacock |
just guessing, maybe some sort of memory corruption, like i said earlier, i also get weird audio echos after several hours of play |
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sapier |
maybe it's a result of broken network sequence numbers, but it could be a random memory corruption too or something completely different |
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Peacock |
like the same sound being played 10 or 20 times at once instead 1x |
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Peacock |
when the log says update lisntner: invalid value etc.., i dont suppose knowing what that invalid value is would help |
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Peacock |
one thing though this bug doesn't crash the game, i simply enable free move, and teleport back |
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Peacock |
(without free move im falling incredibly fast in the void) |
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Peacock |
hm, perhaps the invalid value log entries is the result of having a fucked up position (infinity on one of the axises) |
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Peacock |
*axes |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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zat |
BY Pilz. |
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zat |
Bye* |
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zat |
Seems like someone desperately want to be an Admin... |
| 22:12 |
zat |
I have someone trying to log in as Admin every 10 minutes. |
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xyz |
sfan5: moon does that somehow (with stack traces), not sure if it's possible with moonc |
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zat |
moon? |
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xyz |
moon which is a moonscript interpreter |
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zat |
but why am I getting a lot of Admin logins? |
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Peacock |
zat either some guy with a proxy or collective trolling |
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Peacock |
you got something to block names? |
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zat |
Peacock: I have a list of common names, without password, in auth.txt. |
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Peacock |
not what i meant lol you can tweak noguest or whatever its called to block admin names |
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zat |
oh lol I dont know that |
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Megaf |
Hi all, before the rollback transition to sqlite I could cat sqlitedb | grep PlayerName | grep ToolName or whatever |
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Megaf |
how do I do that now? |
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Megaf |
I want to see how have a pick_warden |
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zat |
Megaf: cat sqlitedb???? |
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Megaf |
zat, Nope, it doesnt work like that with sqlite dbs |
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zat |
I am asking why you said that, read your first answer. |
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zat |
I think you meant cat rollback.txt. |
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zat |
answer.... question |
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ShadowNinja |
Megaf: Use sqlite3 rollback.sqlite and run SQL commands. |
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ShadowNinja |
(Eg, SELECT * FROM action WHERE actor=(SELECT id FROM actor WHERE name='player:Megaf');) |
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zat |
Megaf: you know SQL queries? |
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Megaf |
zat, nope |
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zat |
Megaf: learn SQL first, its actually easy. |
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