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Jordach |
grrr, I want to do some work im blender...but im not at home... |
| 00:49 |
pitriss |
ShadowNinja: Hi I want to ask: Is possible to add "title text" also for groups in unified inventory? |
| 00:50 |
kaeza |
Jordach, see reply in no_guests |
| 00:50 |
ShadowNinja |
pitriss: No, that was the original idea but formspecs don't support that. |
| 00:51 |
pitriss |
ShadowNinja: ohh thats bad, because lot of groups have too long name which not fit into that tiny field |
| 00:53 |
ShadowNinja |
pitriss: Yep, I know. Want to rewrite formspecs? ;-) |
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pitriss |
ShadowNinja: to be clear, by "title text" I mean that bubble with text which pops up when you hover cursor above itemin craftguide. |
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pitriss |
ShadowNinja: hehe no thanks:D |
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thexyz |
sfan5: what version of sqlite were you using in your android port? |
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Warr1024 |
anyone know a way to modify the game engine speed? |
| 01:15 |
Warr1024 |
what I'd really like is a way to change the speed of everything in the game except players. |
| 01:15 |
Warr1024 |
there's a time_speed setting that controls daytime advancing. |
| 01:15 |
Warr1024 |
trying to do everything else involving entities will require mucking about with physics. |
| 01:16 |
Warr1024 |
worst is the abm's; to do a "fast-forward" I'd have to duplicate them to go faster than { chance = 1, interval = 1 } |
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Jordach |
warr, give minerest a higher processing priority |
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Warr1024 |
ha |
| 01:18 |
Warr1024 |
nice |
| 01:19 |
Warr1024 |
this could get painful processor-wise as it is. |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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thexyz |
sfan5: anyway, it seems to work pretty ok with leveldb so i'll stick with it |
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thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/eQse6Rj.png |
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thexyz |
<3 |
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Warr1024 |
ooh, neat |
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Warr1024 |
how do gui's work? |
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pitriss |
thexyz: Ohh official android port?:) |
| 01:31 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: want a little bit of play field to go along with your control interface? ;) |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
glad to see it progressing, really. |
| 01:32 |
thexyz |
in the last build you can move around and dig stuff without wanting to kill me! |
| 01:33 |
thexyz |
Warr1024: https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/tree/android |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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thexyz |
it even supports multitouch already |
| 01:33 |
thexyz |
not like you'll ever need more than 2 fingers to control it |
| 01:39 |
thexyz |
pitriss: it's official but not minetest |
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Warr1024 |
aw |
| 01:39 |
Warr1024 |
was hoping for an official compatible android client for MT |
| 01:40 |
thexyz |
well, it's compatible |
| 01:40 |
thexyz |
but it's a port of minetest fork |
| 01:40 |
thexyz |
you can find the name in top left corner |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
oh indeed |
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Warr1024 |
will it be remaining compatible? |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: you still need to take it through the full acid test |
| 01:43 |
thexyz |
dunno, can't say there's a goal like "keep compatibility forever" |
| 01:43 |
thexyz |
but there's also no reason to break compatibility |
| 01:43 |
thexyz |
for now. |
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Peacock |
damn cat, first she invades Czechoslovakia, now it's the christmas village :) |
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Peacock |
*:( |
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Sokomine |
which cat? |
| 02:16 |
RealBadAngel |
hey folks, i think i have Bumped feature ready: http://i.imgur.com/WLLIlyZ.png |
| 02:18 |
Sokomine |
hm. it does look a bit strange. but i'm not familiar with shaders. show it to inocudom :-) he'll be very happy |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: actually the bumpmaps do look quite nice in practice... IF RBA WOULD JUST COMMIT THE DAMN THINGS :) |
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RealBadAngel |
some screenshots from VanessaE server: |
| 02:23 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/NcVNdwL.png |
| 02:24 |
RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/Jh13V2j.png |
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RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/KHgOlOy.png |
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VanessaE |
NOT BAD. |
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Sokomine |
:-) |
| 02:27 |
Sokomine |
perhaps i'm just too used to poor graphics :-) |
| 02:29 |
RealBadAngel |
those are default 16x textures, without any modifications |
| 02:29 |
Sokomine |
a lot of players will just love this and enjoy the new shaders very much. so commit it :-) and get it merged |
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* Sokomine |
wonders if she would get killed by those players loving shaders if trying to point rba towards an ingame map :-) |
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* Sokomine |
hides behind a tree |
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NakedFury |
no idea you are a she |
| 02:31 |
Sokomine |
i am. it's just not obvious from my name. avoids strange treatment through young males |
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zsoltisawesome |
what happening all? |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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zsoltisawesome |
crap gtg |
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zsoltisawesome |
bye all |
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RealBadAngel |
hmm, effect does work quite good not only default textures |
| 03:00 |
RealBadAngel |
without: http://i.imgur.com/LEzebiX.png and with: http://i.imgur.com/RX2BUjh.png |
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VanessaE |
nice |
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landminerowns |
sup sup |
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landminerowns |
hey crew any of you know how to fix shadows easy? the ones created by worldedit? |
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landminerowns |
planting trees doesnt seem to be working anymore |
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Warr1024 |
I've had similar problems too |
| 03:15 |
Warr1024 |
caused by opaque fluids |
| 03:15 |
Warr1024 |
I think it's a known issue they're working on... |
| 03:16 |
Warr1024 |
the only fix I know of is painstakingly filling in the shadow areas then digging them out 1 node at a time. |
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landminerowns |
well warr before you can plant a tree and the shadow till be removed like 200x200 |
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landminerowns |
somehow they seemed to fuck that up |
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landminerowns |
and the //fixlight cmd on worldedit doesnt seem to do anything |
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landminerowns |
the only mod that worked for that was mauvebics fixlight mod |
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landminerowns |
somehow they scared him away too |
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Sokomine |
no, mauvebic is usually still online. he just uses a diffrent nick |
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LazyJ |
Howdy, folks :) I've got a lua question (or two if it progresses). So, of course, that means, "Hey, I'm making an epic mod, but have no clue about how to do it." (Not so epic, and know just enough to get myself into trouble. ;) ) |
| 05:35 |
LazyJ |
What I'm up to. I'd like to add the waving line of code to other mods via a "patch" mod so I don't have to alter the original mods' code. |
| 05:35 |
LazyJ |
For example, Mossmanakin's "Ferns" and "DryPlants" mods don't have the waving in the code, yet. |
| 05:36 |
LazyJ |
Should Mossmanakin decide not to add the waving in future updates I'd like to be able to use his updates without having to edit the waving code in every time. |
| 05:37 |
Hirato |
bro, patch and diff are your friends :p |
| 05:37 |
Hirato |
sed is too |
| 05:37 |
Hirato |
I can't help more as I cannot into Lua, so to speak |
| 05:37 |
ShadowNinja |
LazyJ: You can override the node, but there isn't official support for that yet. |
| 05:38 |
LazyJ |
I've looked a bit into diff but I'd like to avoid editing the original mods if possible. |
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LazyJ |
Ah, thanks, ShadowNinja. |
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Hirato |
can't he just lookup a specific node type and make alterations to it via regular Lua calls? |
| 05:38 |
LazyJ |
I've looked at VanessaE's code for jungleplants in her PlantLife mod. |
| 05:38 |
Hirato |
because that sounds like a glaring omission in the API :P |
| 05:39 |
LazyJ |
I saw ":default:junglegrass" - the colon before the default. |
| 05:39 |
kaeza |
Hirato, you can, but "It's Hacky" © 2012 PilzAdam |
| 05:39 |
LazyJ |
Tried it and it didn't quite work. |
| 05:40 |
LazyJ |
It did override the particular minetest.register.node being called but since I was only adding "waving = 1" it overrode the rest of the node's prior code and created "unknown blocks". |
| 05:40 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, easiest way now is to make a shallow copy of a node definition, modify as desired, and re-register it |
| 05:40 |
Hirato |
just wondering, what would waving=2 do? |
| 05:41 |
Hirato |
would it intensify the effect, make the waves larger? |
| 05:41 |
LazyJ |
kaeza, yeah, that was my next thought but it requires enough work to make me wonder if it is worth it. Especially if the author's change those parts of the code in future updates. |
| 05:42 |
Hirato |
create a "makewavey" function, and just call the relevant nodes with it :D |
| 05:42 |
LazyJ |
Going beyond just adding the waving visual to some plants in my singleplayer worlds, this is teaching me a little more about how lua works. |
| 05:43 |
LazyJ |
What I'm wondering is if there is a way to pull in the different mods by specifying their paths. |
| 05:44 |
LazyJ |
However, if that is successful, (which I think the colon before the mod_name does) that code overrides the prior code. |
| 05:44 |
LazyJ |
I don't want to override, just add-to. |
| 05:45 |
Hirato |
that's a good one, is there a means of which to check for the presence of other mods to enable some optional support things? |
| 05:45 |
LazyJ |
Customization and choice and all that. |
| 05:45 |
LazyJ |
Learning as I tinker. |
| 05:45 |
Hirato |
or should he make a mod for every other mod? |
| 05:46 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, if you clone the node, you "inherit" all the settings from the original one; it does not matter what the original coder does after that, your new copy will still get all the stuff |
| 05:46 |
Hirato |
er.. he wants to made a mod that adjusts other mods :P |
| 05:46 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, this is a simple shallow copy operation (copy if needed) https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/blob/master/plants_lib/init.lua#L79 |
| 05:46 |
LazyJ |
Ultimately I was thinking of just creating one big, personal mod to add my customizations without altering the original mods' codes. |
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kaeza |
Hirato, 1) make a copy, 2) modify what you need to modify, 3) add what you need to add, 4) ..., 5) PROFIT! |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
3.5) register the node with the same name, prepending ":" |
| 05:48 |
Hirato |
that's the thing, he wants to avoid step 1 |
| 05:48 |
LazyJ |
Hirato, correct. Because I want to be able to install updates to these mods (original code) without having to edit in my customizations every time. |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
oh dog |
| 05:48 |
Hirato |
he wants to alter the resources IN the other mod, not replace that mod |
| 05:48 |
kaeza |
there's a huge misunderstanding here |
| 05:49 |
LazyJ |
Back to the earlier example. |
| 05:49 |
LazyJ |
Ferns mod doesn't wave, yet. |
| 05:49 |
kaeza |
I do not mean "copy the source code", I mean "copy the node definition programatically" |
| 05:49 |
LazyJ |
Ferns mods is updated with new fern plants but still no waving. |
| 05:50 |
LazyJ |
I use the update, new fern plants appear, but my patch mod throws in a little addon that tells the original mod to wave the ferns. |
| 05:51 |
LazyJ |
Copy/paste the section of code pertaining to the node I want to wave. |
| 05:51 |
kaeza |
in that case, you just add the new plants (possibly to a list) |
| 05:51 |
kaeza |
... |
| 05:51 |
kaeza |
okay, have fun |
| 05:51 |
LazyJ |
Hehehe... yup, lots of, um... fun. :)- |
| 05:52 |
LazyJ |
If I had a better grasp of programing terminology I probably could do a better job of explaining. |
| 05:54 |
LazyJ |
There is probably a clever and simple way to do it, I'll just have to study lua from the basics on up. |
| 05:54 |
LazyJ |
Anyway, this is a non-critical project. Thanks for the suggestions and leads. ;) |
| 05:55 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, http://pastebin.com/yVqirvrp |
| 05:56 |
LazyJ |
Thanks, kaeza. |
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Whitemau5 |
hello! |
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kaeza |
hi |
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sfan5 |
thexyz: the built-in one |
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thexyz |
sfan5: I see |
| 08:36 |
thexyz |
I still haven't managed to make it work so I just replaced it with leveldb |
| 08:41 |
LazyJ |
kaeza, what code is needed in your no_guest mod to do the same to all-number playernames? |
| 08:41 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: want these textures? http://i.imgur.com/ASYEQcF.png |
| 08:43 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6571377/ |
| 08:43 |
kaeza |
(thank VE for that) |
| 08:44 |
LazyJ |
Thanks, kaeza, for the snippet and pass on my thanks to VanessaE too, please. ;) |
| 08:44 |
LazyJ |
You both do good work. |
| 08:46 |
kaeza |
you're welcome :) |
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thexyz |
sfan5: sure, why not |
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thexyz |
wow, I've added minecraft-pe-like digging (when you dig what you click) and now controls don't feel (very) retarded anymore |
| 09:14 |
thexyz |
s/when/where/ |
| 09:15 |
reactor |
thexyz: how do you dig in MT by default? |
| 09:16 |
reactor |
Oh, you're porting it to portable devices? |
| 09:16 |
thexyz |
yes, by default there's a crosshair |
| 09:16 |
reactor |
I wonder if it would be more convenient, then, if the centre of the camera's FOV turned into that direction immediately. |
| 09:17 |
reactor |
As in, where you click, becomes the new centre. |
| 09:17 |
reactor |
s/into/in/ |
| 09:18 |
thexyz |
dunno, other games don't do this |
| 09:18 |
reactor |
Maybe add this as optional feature? |
| 09:19 |
reactor |
And see if players like it? |
| 09:19 |
Hirato |
lolwut? it's a stock standard first person camera |
| 09:20 |
Hirato |
Hmmm... you can always use slide gestures to move the camera |
| 09:20 |
Hirato |
and tap a area a few times to start digging or something |
| 09:20 |
reactor |
Yes. But it would be interesting to add the option of what you tap becoming centered. |
| 09:21 |
reactor |
But I'm not a game dev, anyway. You must know better. |
| 09:21 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/1/mobiletextures.tar.bz2 |
| 09:21 |
Hirato |
yeah, definitely an option, might want to keep an eye out for creepers |
| 09:21 |
Hirato |
Ssssssssssssssssss |
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| 09:23 |
reactor |
...but MT doesn't have creepers. |
| 09:23 |
thexyz |
sfan5: wait, don't you have SVG? |
| 09:24 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: uhh.. no |
| 09:24 |
sfan5 |
maybe it was stupid not to use svg |
| 09:24 |
reactor |
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DO-XCDzJW7g/TU1QhHb8AoI/AAAAAAAAAd0/gs4JLjd2EeI/s1600/real+life+creeper.jpg |
| 09:24 |
reactor |
SVG textures? |
| 09:24 |
reactor |
Woah. |
| 09:24 |
reactor |
That's an overkill, isn't it? |
| 09:24 |
Hirato |
was kind of a joke; minetest will eventually get a survival mode with monsters |
| 09:25 |
reactor |
Hopefully. |
| 09:25 |
thexyz |
no, because many android devices have such high DPI any textures will look like pixelated shit |
| 09:25 |
thexyz |
unless they're designed to look like pixelated shit |
| 09:25 |
Hirato |
> looks like pixelated shit |
| 09:25 |
thexyz |
especially that circle |
| 09:25 |
Hirato |
> textures are 32x32 at best |
| 09:25 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 09:25 |
reactor |
Oh, you mean SVG HUD... |
| 09:25 |
reactor |
It's sane. |
| 09:26 |
Calinou |
a SVG HUD is a better idea |
| 09:27 |
reactor |
It is. |
| 09:27 |
Hirato |
just make sure to cache frames ^^ |
| 09:27 |
reactor |
Even for pixelated games, it is. |
| 09:27 |
Hirato |
don't want to redrew the entire thing every frmae |
| 09:27 |
reactor |
Yeah. |
| 09:28 |
reactor |
Cache them every time screen size is changed. |
| 09:35 |
Calinou |
sfan5, could you run your wrongl-formatted-mod-topics check again mayne? :P |
| 09:36 |
reactor |
The mod store uses forums to download mods? |
| 09:36 |
reactor |
This is sooo wrong and kludgey! |
| 09:36 |
reactor |
Why not use a repository server? Or at least a FTP? |
| 09:39 |
thexyz |
that's what it does |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
no, it doesn't |
| 09:39 |
Calinou |
forums and mod store are separate |
| 09:40 |
reactor |
Oh, so the mods are downloaded from the forum links, and stored elsewhere? |
| 09:40 |
reactor |
This is better :) |
| 09:41 |
Calinou |
I should put my mods on mmdb |
| 09:42 |
Calinou |
too lazy to write documentation though :/ |
| 09:42 |
reactor |
But it would be easier to process mods sent by email than sent to forums. |
| 09:43 |
reactor |
A script on the mod server, where they're mailed, would move them to the mod store, and that's it. No need to process complex stuff. |
| 09:43 |
Calinou |
where do I get to visit the MMDB from a web browser? I forgot the URL |
| 09:48 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ |
| 09:48 |
Calinou |
thanks |
| 09:50 |
Calinou |
zlib license isn't listed... :/ |
| 09:52 |
VanessaE |
is there an api function that prints decently-human-readable tables? not like dump() but something more akin to a tree view? |
| 09:55 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: sure |
| 09:58 |
Calinou |
a license field is required :/ |
| 10:03 |
pitriss |
Calinou: I read something on forums that mmdb don't want publish non free licenced code.. so CC-BY-SA etc aren't supported.. IDK how about zlib. |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
CC BY-SA is free |
| 10:03 |
Calinou |
the "NC" and "ND" clauses are not, but they are still allowed right now |
| 10:04 |
Calinou |
zlib is considered as a free license |
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pitriss |
Calinou: of course.. sry I'm not fully wake yet:D |
| 10:08 |
Issa2013 |
reactor it's really cool |
| 10:08 |
Issa2013 |
but my son of years who play minetest i do'nt think he like |
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reactor |
Issa2013: ? |
| 10:10 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: done |
| 10:12 |
Issa2013 |
reactor, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DO-XCDzJW7g/TU1QhHb8AoI/AAAAAAAAAd0/gs4JLjd2EeI/s1600/real+life+creeper.jpg |
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VanessaE |
oy, that'll give someone nightmares |
| 10:14 |
reactor |
Mk. |
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Issa2013 |
but it's a beauty monster :) |
| 10:14 |
reactor |
Well, that could be done in some "ultra-violence" mod. |
| 10:14 |
reactor |
Not to make the main game too gory. |
| 10:16 |
Hirato |
nightmares? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-zjGzCxpuc |
| 10:17 |
sfan5 |
!titles |
| 10:17 |
sfan5 |
!title+ |
| 10:17 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 10:17 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Amnesia: Part 0 - YouTube |
| 10:17 |
Hirato |
just watch it |
| 10:19 |
Hirato |
or we can go back to the 90's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva8L-J8x04 |
| 10:19 |
Hirato |
er.. that video's bad, let me find a better one |
| 10:20 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 10:20 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Secret Project: The Dream Twister - YouTube |
| 10:22 |
Hirato |
doesn't look like there is a better vid :/ |
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Hirato |
Oh.. just open it in VLC, youtube's player's just crap |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
Hirato should meet thex yz |
| 10:25 |
Calinou |
you both like VLC :> </sarcasm> |
| 10:25 |
reactor |
thexyz: ^ |
| 10:25 |
Hirato |
together we can read manga and follow the path of anime |
| 10:25 |
Hirato |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJbAH6WXyOg |
| 10:30 |
thexyz |
> 2014 |
| 10:30 |
thexyz |
> VLC |
| 10:31 |
Hirato |
2014 year of VLC on the desktop |
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nore |
sfan5, in the report: 1. paramat 23 Mods <-- wow, that's a lot... |
| 10:31 |
thexyz |
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u54z42l7zz3vh5j/2013-09-28%2012.07.07.jpg |
| 10:32 |
thexyz |
> using vlc |
| 10:32 |
thexyz |
> ever |
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thexyz |
why are you denying the future? |
| 10:32 |
Hirato |
I am confused by thexyz |
| 10:32 |
thexyz |
oh, it's easy |
| 10:32 |
thexyz |
vlc is shit, you shouldn't be using it |
| 10:33 |
Hirato |
in before MPC with CCCP, WOLOLOLOLOL |
| 10:38 |
thexyz |
Hirato: no, you should use MPV |
| 10:39 |
thexyz |
or.. wait.. do you mean you're using that proprietary OS? |
| 10:39 |
Hirato |
I thought you were going to suggest something that only worked on that OS |
| 10:39 |
thexyz |
why would I not respect freedoms? |
| 10:40 |
Hirato |
because that's what ever other VLC hating tit does :P |
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thexyz |
well, honestly, you should stop using it, because why? |
| 10:42 |
thexyz |
* because why use it |
| 10:43 |
Hirato |
for one, last time I tried mplayer, it was linked against libpulse :P |
| 10:44 |
thexyz |
use mpv |
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thexyz |
mpv is better |
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thexyz |
you should use it for all videos you have |
| 10:46 |
thexyz |
not just shitty jewtube |
| 10:46 |
sfan5 |
>jewtube >jew |
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Hirato |
lol, the interface doesn't even have a volume slider |
| 10:47 |
thardin |
pootube |
| 10:47 |
sfan5 |
who the fuck needs a volume slider |
| 10:47 |
Hirato |
I don't see shit for speeding up playback spede either |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
Why not just upload videos to file sharing sites, like dropbox or Google disk? |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
youtube has gone rather broken nowadays. |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
Even youtube-dl sometimes fails to work around its silly tricks. |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
Also, youtube limits cache. |
| 10:48 |
reactor |
So the playback is always choppy. |
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reactor |
What?! |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
I'm not even typing fast, am I?! |
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thexyz |
Hirato: what, where? |
| 10:49 |
thexyz |
you're using it wrong then |
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thexyz |
btw, OSD is written in Lua AFAIK |
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thexyz |
Hirato: anyway, [ and ] to toggle speend and + - for volume and numpad / * for volume and you of course can configure this shit and of course your OS should have its own volume control |
| 10:52 |
Hirato |
+/- is going some A/V sync stuff |
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sfan5 |
john_minetest: s/Ads-free/Ad-free/ |
| 10:53 |
thexyz |
Hirato: yes, i forgot to delete this part, use numpad / * |
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thexyz |
john_minetest: sorry but that's shit |
| 10:55 |
sfan5 |
p2p is way better for that |
| 10:55 |
sfan5 |
and then your won't have a controlling instance |
| 10:55 |
sfan5 |
why not? |
| 10:56 |
sfan5 |
user accounts can still be done with public-key-crypto |
| 10:56 |
thexyz |
that's shit because you need money to host your fucking master server and a bunch of slave servers |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
Good idea. |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
Does that boil down to peer-to-peer storage? |
| 10:56 |
reactor |
Oh. Gotta run. Brb, some hours. |
| 10:56 |
thexyz |
and then no one is going to use it anyway because - License: Only allow special licenses. That way users won't upload music or videos which are unfree. Which licenses, must be discussed. |
| 10:58 |
thexyz |
then just use some gnu thing |
| 10:58 |
RealBadAngel |
thexyz, the patch for coloured lights is vs current tree? |
| 10:58 |
thexyz |
mediagoblin or how was it called |
| 10:58 |
Hirato |
lol firefox, in about:memory it reads, └──-1,775.67 MB (-60.38%) -- (21 tiny) [?!] |
| 10:58 |
thexyz |
RealBadAngel: no of course |
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sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: no, vs 0.3.x |
| 10:58 |
thexyz |
no, it's shit |
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thexyz |
because it's written in what? |
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* sfan5 |
opens gist.github.com and begins typing |
| 10:58 |
thexyz |
I guess python without any framework? |
| 11:01 |
thexyz |
yes, sure |
| 11:01 |
thexyz |
anyone is going to give you bandwidth AND space for free |
| 11:01 |
thexyz |
s/anyone/everyone/ |
| 11:01 |
thexyz |
and then no one of course is going to upload illegal content |
| 11:01 |
thexyz |
because it's written in this doc that no legal content is allowed |
| 11:02 |
thexyz |
so no one will do it |
| 11:02 |
thexyz |
you can't upload CP to minetest server |
| 11:02 |
thexyz |
do you not understand? |
| 11:03 |
thexyz |
minetest server won't eat that much bandwidth |
| 11:03 |
thexyz |
shall I go on? |
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| 11:04 |
thexyz |
indeed, ads |
| 11:04 |
thexyz |
but everyone will block them using adblock, lol |
| 11:04 |
thexyz |
I think p2p is the only solution; not sure about speed |
| 11:04 |
thexyz |
but as one idea: make quality depend on how much a user shares (disk space, speed) |
| 11:04 |
thexyz |
so, for example you only get to watch 720p if you share at least 1 megabyte/second |
| 11:05 |
thexyz |
and 100 gb of disk space |
| 11:05 |
thexyz |
(it's impossible to detect though so there will be asses who fake it) |
| 11:05 |
thexyz |
(like now with adblock and shit) |
| 11:06 |
thexyz |
it's quite easy to check |
| 11:06 |
thexyz |
but it's quite easy to block too |
| 11:09 |
thexyz |
now you expect people to donate servers and also moderate all content |
| 11:09 |
thexyz |
I've got an idea |
| 11:10 |
thexyz |
let us assume we have an infinite amount of money |
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| 11:10 |
thexyz |
that's equivalent to your idea |
| 11:12 |
thexyz |
eh |
| 11:12 |
thexyz |
anyone with Android device? |
| 11:13 |
thexyz |
well, that's cool but not decentralized |
| 11:13 |
thexyz |
what if I upload a ton of funny videos and then the server gets taken down because DMCA or something |
| 11:13 |
thexyz |
well, it is but not in a good way |
| 11:14 |
thexyz |
there's no replication |
| 11:14 |
thexyz |
yes, so like a search engine |
| 11:14 |
thexyz |
and the only problem is that no one is going to use it |
| 11:23 |
thexyz |
http://a.pomf.se/lolvi.apk |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
https://gist.github.com/sfan5/24cf121efd360cd9f488 |
| 11:23 |
sfan5 |
is that better? |
| 11:24 |
thexyz |
babby's first p2p |
| 11:24 |
thexyz |
anyway, you forgot encryption |
| 11:24 |
thexyz |
because it of course should be encrypted; and also it could be a good idea to go read something on p2p communication |
| 11:24 |
thexyz |
it will |
| 11:27 |
thexyz |
good luck then |
| 11:28 |
thexyz |
except that no one will use it but i feel like i'm saying it too much |
| 11:28 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: what is wrong with my p2p? |
| 11:29 |
thexyz |
sfan5: dunno, I'm not a networks guy; but if you wrote it without consulting some smart books/articles then I can say for sure that there's something wrong with it |
| 11:29 |
thexyz |
or have a good stream quality |
| 11:29 |
thexyz |
and p2p |
| 11:29 |
thexyz |
and ease to access it |
| 11:30 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 11:30 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 11:30 |
thexyz |
you know, you can stream your torrents |
| 11:30 |
thexyz |
how would quality get worse? |
| 11:31 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I didn't consult a smart book / article because I used to know how p2p works |
| 11:31 |
thexyz |
oh, that's cool |
| 11:31 |
thexyz |
so you can start writing it then |
| 11:32 |
sfan5 |
mhm.. I'll eventually do that |
| 11:32 |
thexyz |
also will it be possible to decrypt and play video in real time? |
| 11:32 |
thexyz |
and you didn't specify how is encryption going to work |
| 11:32 |
thexyz |
and how many peers is needed to have a youtube-size platform |
| 11:33 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: because you get to play your video right now |
| 11:34 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: why are they better than streaming a file of equal quality? |
| 11:34 |
thexyz |
the same file |
| 11:34 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 11:35 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: yes, current processors even have hardware aes; first it is verified that they really connected to the peer with the right pubkey after that process they have a shared secret which can be used to encrypt the process of (EC)DHE; dunno.. 750 (just a guess) |
| 11:35 |
sfan5 |
s/pubkey after/pubkey, after/ |
| 11:36 |
thexyz |
my point is that video data should be useless without a key to decrypt it |
| 11:36 |
thexyz |
so if you're a node you can't just decrypt videos you store |
| 11:36 |
thexyz |
without knowing something else |
| 11:36 |
sfan5 |
oh you want every video encrypted for itself.. |
| 11:36 |
sfan5 |
that is going to be hard |
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sfan5 |
(more or less) |
| 11:37 |
thexyz |
every video has a public-private key pair associated with it |
| 11:37 |
thexyz |
hash(public) is a video id which every peer knows |
| 11:37 |
thexyz |
then to play video you also need to know the private pair |
| 11:37 |
thexyz |
well, not just hash(public), add hash(video) somewhere too |
| 11:38 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: it's like you can't read or think |
| 11:38 |
thexyz |
sorry about that but that's true |
| 11:38 |
thexyz |
you see "streaming" and start hating without even trying to turn on your brain |
| 11:39 |
thexyz |
yes] |
| 11:39 |
thexyz |
no way, but you know, internet is fast those days |
| 11:40 |
thexyz |
and if it's not for you then the service we're thinking about is not for you too |
| 11:40 |
thexyz |
then we just don't care about those locations |
| 11:40 |
thexyz |
still there is the risk that there's no internet somewhere |
| 11:41 |
thexyz |
should we stop making websites? |
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thexyz |
and? |
| 11:42 |
thexyz |
what if this imaginary service also has an option to keep data while streaming? |
| 11:45 |
thexyz |
why 5%? |
| 11:46 |
thexyz |
http://i.4cdn.org/g/src/1387107677031.png |
| 11:46 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: you definitely cherry-picking my messages, please stop |
| 11:46 |
thexyz |
if they can't stream high quality video then they can watch low-quality |
| 11:46 |
thexyz |
or not stream at all |
| 11:47 |
thexyz |
I don't understand your point anyway |
| 11:47 |
thexyz |
this imaginary service is not going to happen in any case |
| 11:47 |
thexyz |
so why waste time talking about it? |
| 11:48 |
thexyz |
and? |
| 11:48 |
thexyz |
who cares |
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sfan5 |
thexyz: I changes some things, is it better now? |
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sfan5 |
changed* |
| 12:04 |
thexyz |
dunno, didn't read |
| 12:04 |
thexyz |
also, you don't need compression |
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thexyz |
because. well, videos are already compressed |
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sfan5 |
that is why i put an ? after compression |
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thexyz |
also, I obviously can't encryption so I cannot review this |
| 12:06 |
thexyz |
and since I can't p2p too.. |
| 12:09 |
Jordach |
stop bitching you two |
| 12:09 |
sfan5 |
I'm bitching? |
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Jordach |
jmf ans xyz, youre fine sfan |
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sfan5 |
thexyz: any comment about the video format restrictions I just added |
| 12:14 |
sfan5 |
? |
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pitriss |
thexyz: Hi, please where I can download that freeminer android client? |
| 12:15 |
thexyz |
sfan5: only HEVC or 10-bit H264 allowed <3 |
| 12:15 |
thexyz |
pitriss: I've just posted the apk, search the log |
| 12:15 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: lol no :D |
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thexyz |
pitriss: also you'll need to clone my git repo to /sdcard/freeminer |
| 12:15 |
pitriss |
thexyz: okay |
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thexyz |
sfan5: why do you need to restrict it? |
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sfan5 |
pitriss: <thexyz> http://a.pomf.se/lolvi.apk |
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thexyz |
sfan5: if not .wmv then how will people watch porn? |
| 12:16 |
pitriss |
ok thanks:) |
| 12:16 |
thexyz |
they'll have to reconvert which no one will do |
| 12:16 |
sfan5 |
haha |
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Peacock |
realvideo XD |
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thexyz |
pitriss: clone this https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch android to /sdcard/freeminer or nothing will work |
| 12:17 |
sfan5 |
restrictions mainly because I don't want <name of the thing I'm drafting> clients to deal with shit like wmv or avi |
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pitriss |
thexyz: okay, thank you very much |
| 12:17 |
thexyz |
that's not a problem, just use mpv |
| 12:17 |
thexyz |
which uses ffmpeg (or libav) |
| 12:17 |
thexyz |
you don't need to think about video format support |
| 12:18 |
thexyz |
pitriss: also what's your device? |
| 12:18 |
pitriss |
thexyz: not mine, my friend asked me if I don't have any solution..:D |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 12:20 |
sfan5 |
hi PilzAdam |
| 12:20 |
Peacock |
hi PulseAudio |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Replace SimpleThread by JThread now implementing same features e9e9fd7c3f 2013-12-15T04:39:42-08:00 http://git.io/IOSdjQ |
| 12:48 |
thexyz |
pitriss: have you managed to get it running? |
| 12:49 |
pitriss |
thexyz: not now.. he is busy.. I will let you know when he finds some spare time..:) |
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Peacock |
im beginning to wonder when the snow will stop XD i heard they even got some in jerusalem |
| 13:26 |
sfan5 |
no snow in germany :( |
| 13:27 |
Peacock |
lol so they're freezing their asses off in jerusalem and syria, yet no snow in northern europe? thats fucked up |
| 13:27 |
pitriss |
sfan5: yeah In czech is no snow too.. But I appreciate that..:D |
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Peacock |
dont get me wrong im already looking forward to summer lol hikes in the woods, days at the beach, bbqs, |
| 13:28 |
Peacock |
in winter i just... do alot of cooking i dont even have the appetite for lol |
| 13:29 |
Peacock |
john aren't you in Germany... or south america? i forget |
| 13:29 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: yeah, but no snow :-( |
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Peacock |
but you took trips to south america right? or is my memory playing tricks on me (possible) lol |
| 13:32 |
Peacock |
cold without snow kinda sucks yeah, but at least the city saves a ton on snow removal :P |
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phantombeta |
Hi |
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* rubenwardy |
just cleared up 10GB of hard drive space |
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sfan5 |
http://i.imgur.com/KaRnTUz.gif |
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Peacock |
ruben, no one else announces when they clear old pron from their drives :P |
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Peacock |
ugh jquery mouseenter/mouseleave, the bane of many bad website designs where random elements supersize lol |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: what's happening? are you okay? |
| 13:51 |
thexyz |
"how do i bootstrap" |
| 13:52 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: what's your distro? |
| 13:53 |
thexyz |
archlinux never breaks! |
| 13:53 |
thexyz |
no, it just never breaks! |
| 13:53 |
thexyz |
why do you need a distro? |
| 13:54 |
thexyz |
there's a lot of distros |
| 13:54 |
thexyz |
you should do something more productive instead |
| 13:54 |
thexyz |
learn c++ and go contribute to Minetest |
| 13:54 |
thexyz |
http://www.stroustrup.com/4th.html |
| 13:55 |
thexyz |
ah, yes, that's often a problem |
| 13:56 |
thexyz |
well you should start with simple things |
| 13:57 |
thexyz |
are there simple things to do/fix in Minetest? |
| 13:57 |
Hirato |
if only you had C+= :P |
| 13:58 |
Hirato |
if you really want to go hardcore 1337 h4x, install gentoo |
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thexyz |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/116 could be simple? |
| 13:59 |
Peacock |
lol http://jonathanscorner.com/emulator/ |
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thexyz |
(well I initially wanted to say something like "hey, how about implementing multithreaded lua") |
| 14:00 |
thexyz |
no one is born with that knowledge |
| 14:00 |
Peacock |
except the lua gods |
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pitriss |
please can anyone tell me how are injectors from technic mod supposed to work? |
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nore |
pitriss, no idea, never used them... btw, you should ask technic related questions in #minetest-technic |
| 14:11 |
pitriss |
ok.. it is not so important, so I asked here:) |
| 14:15 |
Peacock |
better off asking here imho, we could use some more minetest related discussion XD |
| 14:17 |
thexyz |
#-dev is busy with renaming an option so better not disturb them |
| 14:18 |
Peacock |
lol seriously? |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
and people who I want to talk to aren't even there, how unfortunate |
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PilzAdam |
thexyz, its not "renaming", we are creating a new name |
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thexyz |
sorry got it wrong |
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harrison |
the people i want to talk to don't even exist |
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Peacock |
harrison i think that's called schizophrenia |
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thexyz |
well you can always make more people |
| 14:19 |
harrison |
playing the bufoon again i see Peacock |
| 14:19 |
harrison |
buffoon |
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Peacock |
gotta entertain the troops somehow |
| 14:19 |
Peacock |
buffet |
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harrison |
have you tried a dress and lipstick? |
| 14:21 |
Peacock |
i see it's your date night again XD |
| 14:21 |
Peacock |
but no, i'm not interested |
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Taoki |
Hello. Is it possible to use minetest.register_abm on a node category / group, rather than just a specific node? |
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PilzAdam |
Taoki, of course |
| 14:23 |
Peacock |
group:groupname |
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Peacock |
instead of mod:nodename |
| 14:23 |
Taoki |
Thanks |
| 14:23 |
Peacock |
still within the { } |
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Peacock |
john: directional_colored_fog |
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Peacock |
(quicker to check the logs than to ask lol) |
| 14:24 |
kripken |
release the kripken |
| 14:25 |
thexyz |
I love how strawpoll uses websockets, that's quite some technology |
| 14:25 |
thexyz |
well how should I vote if I don't care? |
| 14:25 |
thexyz |
and if I feel that this is not an important thing |
| 14:26 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, chocolate_thunder |
| 14:26 |
thexyz |
and that I think we'd rather merge this instead of arguing |
| 14:26 |
thexyz |
which is pointless anyway |
| 14:26 |
thexyz |
and only is a waste of time |
| 14:26 |
PilzAdam |
having consistent setting names is quite nice |
| 14:26 |
kripken |
chocolate-covered straw -- a delicious highfiber treat |
| 14:26 |
thexyz |
it's impossible to reach agreement in a group consisting of more than 3 people |
| 14:27 |
Peacock |
^ |
| 14:27 |
PilzAdam |
I guess we all agree that this is IRC |
| 14:27 |
thexyz |
Peacock: do you agree? |
| 14:27 |
Peacock |
ask 3 people, get 4 opinions |
| 14:27 |
kripken |
thexyz: i disagree |
| 14:27 |
Peacock |
yeah |
| 14:27 |
kripken |
it is quite possible |
| 14:27 |
thexyz |
then ask PA and get a completely different opinion |
| 14:27 |
kripken |
but one needs a better class of people than found on irc |
| 14:28 |
Taoki |
Also: When you specify neighbors in rebister_abm, can you also specify directions? So for example, you can make an ABM only run if air is located above the node, regardless whether air is located around it or under it |
| 14:28 |
thexyz |
hm.. dunno |
| 14:28 |
Peacock |
taoki you do the check within the function |
| 14:29 |
thexyz |
so mean |
| 14:29 |
Taoki |
Peacock: ok. So I need to check the nodes around it manually then? And can't use the neighbors list of the register_abm function directionally? |
| 14:29 |
Peacock |
neighbours is pretty basic |
| 14:29 |
Peacock |
and adding more nodes doesn't mean they all have to be present, neighbours works as OR |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
Yeah, that's what I wasn't sure about |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
So adding nodes to the neighbors list means "if any node in this list surrounds this node", not "node 1 for up, node 2 for front, etc" |
| 14:30 |
Peacock |
if you need the air to be in a specific place, you can include it in neighbours to cut down on the number of times you check, then manually check the position |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
Yes |
| 14:30 |
Peacock |
neighbours yeah it's any of nodes as neighbour |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
Will do that then, thanks |
| 14:31 |
Taoki |
I actually need to do the opposite: Check if air is located either around the node or under it, instead of up :P |
| 14:31 |
Taoki |
So I need to check 5 neighboring nodes lol |
| 14:31 |
Peacock |
find node in radius might be helpful there |
| 14:31 |
Peacock |
or find node in area, and specify a flat area |
| 14:32 |
Peacock |
p1/p2 x-/+1, y (no change) z +/-1 |
| 14:32 |
Taoki |
I'm working on adding sounds to minetest_game, and will be including sounds for flowing water. To know if a water source is flowing, I check if air or flowing liquid exists anywhere by upward, and start looping a sound if so |
| 14:33 |
Taoki |
Which will hopefully be an acceptable approach for default |
| 14:33 |
Peacock |
as long as it's optional, not everyone has unlimited bandwidth :P and with android clients joining servers, APN's are even more expensive |
| 14:33 |
Taoki |
Ahh... I really need to try minetest for Android sometime. Wasn't sure if the screenshots I seen of that were real :) |
| 14:34 |
Taoki |
I'll use a cheap check though don't worry |
| 14:35 |
Peacock |
i suggested midi's a while back, it's pretty low tech but it matches the voxely nature of the graphics |
| 14:35 |
Taoki |
BTW. I can't find Minetest on the Android - Play Store. Just Buildcraft |
| 14:35 |
Taoki |
Will it be added there too? |
| 14:35 |
Peacock |
i think it is buildcraft |
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| 14:35 |
Taoki |
Ah, good then |
| 14:36 |
Peacock |
the inhouse port isn't out yet to my knowledge |
| 14:37 |
Peacock |
though dont wait too long to DL buildcraft, theres a DMCA against it i think |
| 14:38 |
Taoki |
It's open-source, why would there be? |
| 14:38 |
Taoki |
It's a Minetest fork |
| 14:38 |
Peacock |
apparently the guy never shared his engine changes |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
ahhh, I see |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
john_minetest: Thaaaaanks ^^ |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
Peacock: Yes, if it's GPL he legally must keep his changes open-source |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
That's why I love this license hehe |
| 14:40 |
Peacock |
though either way, if he releases the code, this community will take over the project from him, and if he doesn't, they'll DMCA his project, so he's better off letting the community do the work themselves on their own port |
| 14:40 |
Peacock |
it's LGPL |
| 14:40 |
Taoki |
He can remain the admin |
| 14:40 |
Peacock |
he has to share his engine changes, not the frontend |
| 14:40 |
Taoki |
Ah |
| 14:41 |
thexyz |
"i bet" |
| 14:41 |
Peacock |
well without proof, that's just defamation |
| 14:41 |
thexyz |
prove or shut the fuck up |
| 14:43 |
Peacock |
see why would the guy play ball when he's already been vilified here lol and all this because he offered free and premium versions |
| 14:43 |
thexyz |
no, that's because he didn't release the source code |
| 14:44 |
Peacock |
well that time hadn't exactly elapsed before people were outraged at the 3$ premium version and cracked the app |
| 14:44 |
thexyz |
it's been more than a month |
| 14:44 |
Peacock |
yeah now, but people were pissed off on the first day about the premium version |
| 14:45 |
Peacock |
and still, you don't rectify license violations by further breaking the law (cracking), even the FSF wouldn't recommend it lol |
| 14:45 |
Taoki |
If someone's using this to make money that's ugly and bad |
| 14:45 |
Taoki |
I mean, make money in a dirty way |
| 14:45 |
Peacock |
the most ardent free software advocates have always told me there's nothing wrong with selling free software |
| 14:46 |
Peacock |
though many in the wider community still seem allergic to any form of commercialism |
| 14:47 |
Taoki |
Peacock: If it respects GPL and open-sources what it needs to open-source, and it's not ripping off someone and abusing their work, I don't mind |
| 14:47 |
Taoki |
Can't say that putting a premimum version of Minetest on Android automatically sounds like doing something evil. I'd need to know better though |
| 14:48 |
thexyz |
Peacock: well, i have to agree to that, most people behaved like asses |
| 14:48 |
thexyz |
stupid fucking asses that think everything should be free |
| 14:48 |
Taoki |
I'm all for free software and dislike commercial software in general (personal preference). That doesn't mean it's ok to be an ass about it though, so I agree |
| 14:48 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add setting to disable direction dependent fog and sky colors c120ea57c9 2013-12-15T06:30:02-08:00 http://git.io/fg6PGw |
| 14:48 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: MirceaKitsune commited to minetest/minetest: Directional fog + horizon colors, based on sun & moon positions at sunrise / sunset 848f80b2e5 2013-12-15T05:28:50-08:00 http://git.io/pkuLQQ |
| 14:50 |
Peacock |
well, if devs can't earn, they won't be professional devs, just hobbyists. god knows we don't need more lawyers lol |
| 14:51 |
thexyz |
wow, finally |
| 14:51 |
Peacock |
OoO fog |
| 14:53 |
thexyz |
for some reason light behaves... strangely on android |
| 14:54 |
Peacock |
i dont suppose that's due to the uber-reflective screens |
| 14:55 |
thexyz |
and why the hell are items in hotbar inverted |
| 14:55 |
Peacock |
not just inverted, the backgrounds for nodes are blue |
| 14:55 |
Peacock |
but tools are transparent :/ |
| 14:56 |
Peacock |
and in the right direction lol |
| 14:56 |
Peacock |
i guess thats why the guy wanted money lol still a few kinks to work out |
| 14:57 |
Peacock |
sucks my phone is way too ancient to test this out |
| 14:57 |
Peacock |
http://cdn1.smart-gsm.com/picture/samsung-galaxy-550.jpg |
| 14:58 |
thexyz |
well in my build backgrounds are okay |
| 14:59 |
Peacock |
freeminer on the android, cool :-) |
| 14:59 |
Peacock |
i wonder if i can get android-x86 up and running in a VM |
| 15:03 |
thexyz |
what's the point? |
| 15:03 |
thexyz |
I mean, everyone begs for android port and when the port appears suddenly everyone starts to do crazy shit like this, or running it in an emulator |
| 15:05 |
thexyz |
:( |
| 15:07 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 15:09 |
harrison |
nice |
| 15:09 |
harrison |
nice |
| 15:09 |
harrison |
very nice |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
I am getting on for christmas |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
*one |
| 15:09 |
harrison |
so many people with the same device |
| 15:09 |
thexyz |
yes, well, that's really strange |
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thexyz |
at least I hope I'll do a touch-screen input which will be useful |
| 15:13 |
rubenwardy |
I wouldn't get an iOS or Windows device, so android it is |
| 15:13 |
thexyz |
it shouldn't be that hard to port to those devices once touchscreen gui is ready |
| 15:14 |
thexyz |
the problem is that I don't own any iOS device capable of running this |
| 15:15 |
thexyz |
(irrlicht seems to support both iOS and winphone) |
| 15:15 |
thexyz |
because it's got "hack" in its name or what? |
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* Jordach |
yawns |
| 15:16 |
Peacock |
well i'd only run android in an emulator 'cus my phone can't run most decent apps lol |
| 15:16 |
Peacock |
(better than forking over hundreds for a new phone i dont need) |
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thexyz |
Jordach: have you tested the newest build? |
| 15:22 |
thexyz |
building it in a moment |
| 15:22 |
thexyz |
it's almost playable now |
| 15:22 |
thexyz |
(well, on my screen) |
| 15:24 |
Taoki |
Is there an easy way to detect if a liquid source is causing liquid to flow, in a register_abm? |
| 15:24 |
Taoki |
With both finite and non-finite liquids |
| 15:25 |
Taoki |
For example: Can you use liquid_flowing as a neighbor type in register_abm? |
| 15:25 |
thexyz |
there's a quality improvement, you can build now! |
| 15:26 |
thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/gWNVUtG.png |
| 15:26 |
thexyz |
here it is: http://a.pomf.se/oarhe.apk |
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thexyz |
also I think the controls are now better than in that other android port |
| 15:28 |
Taoki |
Anyone know any helpful tips on this? What's the cheapest way to run a register_abm function on a fluid source that's causing liquid to flow? |
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Warr1024 |
Taoki: I did something similar. |
| 15:29 |
Taoki |
Warr1024: Any code examples? |
| 15:29 |
Warr1024 |
What I did was make sure my mod depended on all mods that include flowing liquids |
| 15:29 |
Warr1024 |
then I walked the existing registered nodes and found the ones with the necessary liquidtype. |
| 15:29 |
Taoki |
I need to know how register_abm was used to detect these |
| 15:29 |
Warr1024 |
not the most elegant, but without groups to complement the liquidtype settings... |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
thexyz, is that completely separate to buildcraft? |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
(is it freeminer_ |
| 15:30 |
thexyz |
yes, it is freeminer and it's separate of course because we don't have buildcraft sources |
| 15:30 |
Warr1024 |
basically, look for all registered nodes that are the correct liquid type and collect their names into a table. |
| 15:30 |
thexyz |
do you mean I shouldn't post this here or what? |
| 15:30 |
Warr1024 |
youc an pass that table in to nodenames in an abm: it takes an array. |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
I am just wondering |
| 15:31 |
rubenwardy |
Will you pull request to Minetest master? |
| 15:31 |
thexyz |
dunno, probably not |
| 15:32 |
thexyz |
there's a lot of stuff modified |
| 15:32 |
thexyz |
like pull requests merged that aren't in minetest master |
| 15:32 |
thexyz |
it won't be too hard to cherry-pick my commits and push them to minetest if anyone wants to do that |
| 15:32 |
thexyz |
(I think) |
| 15:35 |
thexyz |
also it's slow |
| 15:35 |
thexyz |
what do you mean? |
| 15:37 |
rubenwardy |
He made it for freeminer, not Minetest |
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rubenwardy |
Noob mistake |
| 15:46 |
Taoki |
Is it possible to detect how big a flowing water node is, for both finite and non-finite liquids? As in how much water there is there |
| 15:46 |
Taoki |
I'm not sure if node "level" works |
| 15:46 |
rubenwardy |
I was trying to read array[current_id] where current_id = -1 |
| 15:49 |
Warr1024 |
Taoki: if you want to know how big a water flow is, you'll have to do a flood-fill algorithm to recurse through the whole thign. |
| 15:49 |
Taoki |
x.x |
| 15:49 |
Warr1024 |
Taoki: you'll need to set limits, though, as water flows can be virtually unbounded in size. |
| 15:50 |
Warr1024 |
Taoki: also, water flows can merge with those from nearby sources. |
| 15:50 |
ShadowNinja |
~tell reactor You sent five messages in a second. It may have been a issue with your client or lag. |
| 15:50 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded. |
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thexyz |
because that's not how you modify android |
| 15:56 |
thexyz |
and "they" aren't google, I suppose |
| 15:56 |
rubenwardy |
(the Node box editor is almost ready, just bug hunting...) |
| 16:00 |
iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: does it finaly compile on archlinux? |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
No idea |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
I dont have archlinux :P |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
Ah found your report |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
I will see what I can do with out downloading arch linux |
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| 16:03 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hi |
| 16:03 |
GNADev|zRokh |
who has Steam? |
| 16:04 |
Hirato |
who doesn't? |
| 16:04 |
GNADev|zRokh |
true... :D |
| 16:04 |
GNADev|zRokh |
aaanyways.... i think i have THE best friend anybody could have :P |
| 16:04 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i got my xmas gift early from him, and guess what it was |
| 16:05 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Counter-Strike, Counter-Strike : Condition Zero and Counter-Strike : Condition Zero Deleted Scenes |
| 16:06 |
GNADev|zRokh |
three of my most favourite games ever! :D |
| 16:07 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Hirato: what's your steam? i'll add you :D |
| 16:07 |
GNADev|zRokh |
or add me in stead :D |
| 16:08 |
PilzAdam |
GNADev|zRokh, why are you offtopic again? |
| 16:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/dicks_n_half |
| 16:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
because its christmas! :D |
| 16:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
nuff said :D |
| 16:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
and im happy |
| 16:09 |
Hirato |
eek |
| 16:10 |
GNADev|zRokh |
what? |
| 16:10 |
Hirato |
merry christmas to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ThKV_G4VxI :P |
| 16:10 |
GNADev|zRokh |
well its not far away either |
| 16:10 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 16:10 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer illustrates the worst of humanity. - YouTube |
| 16:10 |
Hirato |
:P |
| 16:10 |
Hirato |
sometimes I think sfan5 only ever reads the titles to infer the full content of the video |
| 16:10 |
rubenwardy |
I blocked GNADev|zRokh, so I am happy |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
john_minetest: but they started broadcasting rudolph the red-node reindeer and jungle bells on TV already |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
>red-node reindeer |
| 16:11 |
sfan5 |
uhh |
| 16:11 |
Hirato |
he's a cubic meter block in minecraft |
| 16:11 |
Hirato |
like nyan cat |
| 16:12 |
PilzAdam |
GNADev|zRokh, spoiler: Santa Claus doesnt exist |
| 16:12 |
GNADev|zRokh |
DONT YOU SAY THAT!!! |
| 16:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
LIAR!!! |
| 16:13 |
GNADev|zRokh |
I SAW HIM!!! HE IS REAL!!! |
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Hirato |
so didn't anyone watch it? :( |
| 16:15 |
sfan5 |
Hirato: http://i.imgur.com/qfp6lln.png |
| 16:15 |
GNADev|zRokh |
nope... |
| 16:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
downloading, so cant watch anything :P |
| 16:16 |
Hirato |
hahaha |
| 16:16 |
GNADev|zRokh |
my connection sucks... |
| 16:16 |
Hirato |
this needs to be immortalised somewhere |
| 16:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
wait.... Horatio >> CSI? |
| 16:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i just got that :D |
| 16:17 |
* GNADev|zRokh |
's tooth aches |
| 16:17 |
Hirato |
this name was produced by a random name generator back in April 2004 |
| 16:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
oh.... i thought it was horatio, it wasnt :D |
| 16:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
sorry dood... :D |
| 16:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but dood, add me! becaus im gonna go now, to speed up my connection :P |
| 16:18 |
Hirato |
since then, some other twats have started to call themselves hirato, based on a manga series named Karneval that was released in 2007 -_- |
| 16:19 |
Hirato |
blatant plagiarism! |
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| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
lol, sfan5 |
| 16:20 |
rubenwardy |
Can I add that to cafepress? |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
I don't think anyone will buy that.. but go ahead |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
but you should smooth the edges of the screenshot before |
| 16:21 |
nore |
sfan5, is that mg in the screenshot? |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
nore: yes |
| 16:22 |
sfan5 |
the textures are run through xbrz |
| 16:22 |
nore |
what is that? |
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iqualfragile |
oh wow, that new mesa upgrade realy helped a lot |
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sfan5 |
nore: google is your friend... anyway, I player some MT on my computer yesterday (and was using mg) and my friend(who hates MT) said the villages are bigger and have more variation than MC |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
played* |
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FreeFull |
Why does he hate MT? |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
because it is not MC |
| 16:30 |
sfan5 |
basically the typical MC fanboy |
| 16:30 |
iqualfragile |
FreeFull: isnt it obvious? its ripping of mc and looks worse |
| 16:30 |
iqualfragile |
and generaly worse |
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Hirato |
minetest's a work in progress :p |
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rubenwardy |
Time to make the windows build, update the cmake file, and git push! |
| 16:32 |
Hirato |
fix the OpenGLES thing first! |
| 16:32 |
Hirato |
why do you hate nvidia users ;) |
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rubenwardy |
Who are you talking to? |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
brb |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
(I will check log) |
| 16:35 |
thexyz |
and is slower too |
| 16:35 |
Hirato |
you'd think all of thes ewould be impossible for a C++ program compared against Java :p |
| 16:36 |
iqualfragile |
its slower? |
| 16:36 |
thexyz |
yeah what could go wrong |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
the server definitely is |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
with Minecraft you can have a lot of players if you have a lot of RAM |
| 16:37 |
thexyz |
with Minetest you can't have a lot of players |
| 16:38 |
Hirato |
and gameplay remains smooth, as opposed to constantly fluctuatign between 15-60 FPS :P |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
<sfan5> nore: google is your friend... |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
it is not |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
thexyz, isn't that caused by servers having too many mods mainly? |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
especially mods that change mapgen |
| 16:41 |
thexyz |
Calinou: try to host 100 players on a "minimal" game |
| 16:41 |
thexyz |
if you think that mods are the only problem |
| 16:42 |
nore |
sfan5, http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_4049932325.png |
| 16:42 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: have you ever benchmarked that issue? |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
is that lag purely CPU-related or network-related? |
| 16:42 |
nore |
^ if you want really big villages... |
| 16:42 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: profiled or what? |
| 16:42 |
iqualfragile |
fuck, yes, i meant to say profiled |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
Calinou: well, it seems to eat 100% of CPU but not sure why |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
minetest in general suffers from NIH syndrome |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
(= not-invented-here) |
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sfan5 |
nore: lol |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
evening |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
we've got our very own TCP running over UDP, for example |
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nore |
I still haven't been able to get around the village |
| 16:44 |
nore |
(it is commanded by perlin noise...) |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
is that TCP thingy actually used? I thought it was using UDP |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
(by default) |
| 16:44 |
thexyz |
well, it's "tcp" |
| 16:44 |
thexyz |
as in, we use udp but implemet tcp features over it |
| 16:45 |
thexyz |
like reliability and order |
| 16:45 |
thexyz |
and for some reason I think that TCP does this better |
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webdesigner97 |
hi |
| 16:45 |
webdesigner97 |
is there a way to use a nodebox as the visual of an entity? |
| 16:46 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: yes, that is in fact stupid, but udp has its usecases |
| 16:46 |
* sfan5 |
puts a santa hat on Jordach |
| 16:46 |
sfan5 |
!voice Jordach |
| 16:46 |
Hirato |
heh, please tell me you use a library like enet :P |
| 16:46 |
Warr1024 |
udp does have one disadvantage in being more difficult to proxy. |
| 16:46 |
Hirato |
!op Hirato |
| 16:46 |
Hirato |
:( |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
it does but we're doing it wrong anyway |
| 16:46 |
sfan5 |
Hirato: no we don't |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
!op Jordach |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
!deop Jordach |
| 16:47 |
Hirato |
:D |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
and i'm almost god here |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
<3 you MinetestBot :P |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
<3 MinetestBot |
| 16:47 |
MinetestBot |
<3 sfan5 |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
it doesn't use enet, Hirato |
| 16:47 |
Hirato |
!halfop Jordach |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
Hirato: there are no halfops at freenode |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
we're not QuakeNet |
| 16:47 |
thexyz |
> god |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
Warr1024, it's not like people use proxies on games for things other than ban evasion? |
| 16:47 |
thexyz |
> doesn't even have +F |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
webdesigner: wielditem? |
| 16:47 |
Hirato |
er, quakenet most definitely doesn't do halfops :P |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: if I want to use my cellular connection I'm forced to go behind a proxy |
| 16:47 |
* Jordach |
has seen them somewhere |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 16:48 |
nore |
sfan5, the code's here: https://github.com/Novatux/mg/tree/village_mapgen |
| 16:48 |
Warr1024 |
Calinou: There are other non-standard network situations that you might see in private servers, where VPN's may not be feasible for instance... |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
anyone to rewrite minetest network implementation? |
| 16:48 |
webdesigner97 |
wielditem? need to search fot this |
| 16:49 |
Hirato |
I'm not knowledgeable enough about network stuff |
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thexyz |
it's not that hard you just replace udp by tcp and remove builtin reliable stuff |
| 16:49 |
thexyz |
right? |
| 16:49 |
Warr1024 |
that built-in reliable stuff isn't actually always that reliable... |
| 16:49 |
Hirato |
I'd just chuck in libenet and have ti take care of things :D |
| 16:50 |
Hirato |
multi-channel communique, optional reliable messages |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
nore: It's sad that you can't do high-res screenshots with MT |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
Warr1024: yes, because network stuff is hard, I guess |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
but just replace it with TCP and everything's fine, right? |
| 16:51 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, there's gotta be a 3rd-party library out there that handles this abstraction reasonably well... |
| 16:51 |
Hirato |
TCP is undesirable for game stuff |
| 16:51 |
Hirato |
just use enet :P |
| 16:51 |
nore |
sfan5, a bit... but I already had only 3 fps, so with bigger resolution, it would be horrible... |
| 16:51 |
Hirato |
</shill> |
| 16:51 |
webdesigner97 |
ok, how does this wielditem thing work? |
| 16:51 |
Warr1024 |
TCP isn't all that bad, really, esp. if you don't have a lot of unreliable messages. |
| 16:51 |
Warr1024 |
MC got a lot of milage out of TCP, and it worked pretty well, against the odds. |
| 16:51 |
Calinou |
I wonder, is it really hard to do? |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
I think so |
| 16:52 |
sfan5 |
well.. we could improve the current situation if we wouldn't send every packet as reliable |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
that could work, maybe a minetest.conf setting to send less reliable packets |
| 16:52 |
thexyz |
and while we're at it someone should also implement threaded lua |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
sounds like you're doing sarcasm here |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
and also profile minetest under heavy load |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
because I'm busy with android D: |
| 16:53 |
Hirato |
can we fix the OpenGLES thing first, it's hurting the nvidia guys like me :P |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
Calinou: why? threaded lua is cool |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
Hirato, what openglES thingh? |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
just make a pool of lua interpreters and send callbacks to them instead of executing everything in a single lua thread while also locking everything else |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
-h |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
I thought lua threading was impossible? |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
it's already here, in the main menu |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
and I think it works like I described, didn't look into it though |
| 16:54 |
Warr1024 |
lua threading within a single context is impossible. |
| 16:54 |
Warr1024 |
if you have multiple independent contexts, it works ok |
| 16:54 |
Hirato |
Calinou: the minetest binary is linked against OpenGLESv2.so, this is responsible for this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/minetest.png |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
yes, you'll need some way to get access to global data |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
you can also have global data shared and use built-in lua threading but that's gonna suck because there will be GIL and therefore no performance improvements |
| 16:55 |
Hirato |
all the GL calls go to no-op functions |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
why the hell is it linked against openglesv2.so? |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
kill your maintainer or something |
| 16:56 |
Hirato |
beats me, see line 173 of src/CMakeLists.txt |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
Hirato, no problem here |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
harsh linux problems :-D |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
it only does that if opengles is installed |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
why is it installed if you don't use it? |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
not just "don't use", if it doesn't work |
| 16:57 |
* Hirato |
goes to see what package it belongs to... just need to find the syntax |
| 16:57 |
Hirato |
owned by mesa 9.2.5 |
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thexyz |
well just remove it |
| 16:58 |
Hirato |
that will purge KDe, texlive, and a whole hear of other crpa, nothx |
| 16:58 |
thexyz |
meh you don't need those anyway |
| 16:59 |
Hirato |
considering irrlicht doesn't even have GLES support anyway, why explicitly link it in the first place? |
| 16:59 |
iqualfragile |
if somebody rewrites the minetest network code it should be done right |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
easier said than done |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
have fun rewriting anything related to a game :/ |
| 16:59 |
iqualfragile |
as in using udp for particle spawns, starting to play sounds and animations and transfering entity prositions/movements |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
celeron55 has some branches with tcp rewrite |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
i even remember testing some of them |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
Hirato, KDE suck |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
s* |
| 17:00 |
iqualfragile |
and tcp for media and mapblock transfers and changes |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
just use tcp for reliable and udp for non-reliable stuff |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
That was annoying |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
and I don't know how much non-reliable stuff is there, actually |
| 17:00 |
rubenwardy |
Cmake done on ubuntu now |
| 17:01 |
thexyz |
also don't use cmake |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
non-reliable stuff: entity/player positions, dig/build/attack...? |
| 17:01 |
Warr1024 |
tcp+udp has a disadvantage in making it harder to punch holes in a firewall. |
| 17:01 |
thexyz |
twice as harder |
| 17:01 |
Hirato |
just do it over UDP |
| 17:01 |
Hirato |
enet! |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
...says the cube 2 developer :> |
| 17:02 |
thexyz |
Hirato: what's the point of using it instead of TCP? |
| 17:02 |
thexyz |
cube 2? |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
Hirato does a lot of stuff related to cube 2, usually |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
which uses enet |
| 17:02 |
Hirato |
I am being a shameless shill, haha |
| 17:02 |
Hirato |
enet is over UDP, and implements some TCP functionality, like reliable packets |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
oh, it's FPS |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
sauerbraten/red eclipse/tesseract/(assault cube... that's cube 1 but still uses enet) |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
these games have quite a low ping and bandwidth requirements |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
Hirato: and why's that better than TCP? |
| 17:04 |
Hirato |
TCP by its very definition requires everything to be reliable AND in order |
| 17:04 |
Hirato |
which for a MP game is... undesirable |
| 17:04 |
Hirato |
especially fast-paced twitchy ones like sauer |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
<Hirato> which for a MP game is... undesirable |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
it is fine for a turn based game :p |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
ah, so we could have reliable out-of-order packets? |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
hm.. not sure, somebody should try it |
| 17:05 |
Hirato |
nah, I think reliable packets are delivered in order, that's kind of the point :P |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
what about trying to do what sfan5 said in the first place? set more stuff as non-reliable |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
and see the results |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
Hirato: care to rewrite everything? <3 |
| 17:05 |
Hirato |
point is, making everything reliable is kind of going to introduce lag |
| 17:06 |
thexyz |
Calinou: well my point is that minetest network stack (probably) sucks |
| 17:06 |
Hirato |
I'll have a shot at it if you'll fix the OpenGLes linking :p |
| 17:06 |
Hirato |
just remove src/CMakeList.txt:173, done :p |
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thexyz |
eh, should at proller then |
| 17:06 |
thexyz |
I think he added it |
| 17:06 |
Hirato |
git blame! |
| 17:07 |
iqualfragile |
actualy minetest has a valid usecase for reliable out of order: block changes |
| 17:07 |
iqualfragile |
it does not matter in which order they arive, they just need to arive |
| 17:07 |
thexyz |
it does matter if that's a single position |
| 17:07 |
Hirato |
I'm not too sure of how enet's reliable stuff works, I think it's based on a per-channel basis |
| 17:07 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: are you willing to profile the shit out of the server? |
| 17:08 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: i thought about doing that, yes |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
https://code.google.com/p/shinyprofiler/ |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
first link in googl |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
e |
| 17:08 |
Hirato |
10c03e1a (proller 2013-03-02 20:44:08 +0400 173) find_package(OpenGLES2) |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
just launch the server with minimal game and spawn 100 bots |
| 17:09 |
thexyz |
there was a script to do that written by proller |
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thexyz |
"it's so good there are no docs" |
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Hirato |
also, when are you guys going to fix the "mod configuration" to also list mods inside /usr/share/minetest/mods :p |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
...why am i voiced |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
it feels like a roast... |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
a roast pony |
| 17:18 |
Hirato |
just in time for christmas! |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/1CH3pXt.png |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
0.4.9 will be released soon with the model sporting a santa hat |
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Jordach |
oh crap |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
0.5.x is coming soon :D |
| 17:22 |
rubenwardy |
crap? |
| 17:22 |
rubenwardy |
why crap? |
| 17:22 |
Hirato |
release 0.4.10 to spite Jordach |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
Hirato, >forks Cube 2, >creates cube2.1 and incompatibles it to cube 2 |
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w_laenger |
btw, at the moment I'm playing sauerbraten |
| 17:27 |
Hirato |
I did it before voxels were cool! |
| 17:29 |
rubenwardy |
building windows version... |
| 17:29 |
w_laenger |
muon killed me |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
shit, minetest-stress will never be finished |
| 17:34 |
nore |
why? |
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thexyz |
dunno, so many fun things around |
| 17:34 |
thexyz |
no time to get anything finished |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
what is minetest-stress? |
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thexyz |
https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress |
| 17:38 |
Hirato |
lol, autogened villages in snow biome, the torches melt the snow and make water |
| 17:38 |
thexyz |
a jquery-like thing |
| 17:40 |
nore |
Hirato, you use mg? |
| 17:40 |
Hirato |
just installed it |
| 17:40 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: what does it do? |
| 17:40 |
nore |
didn't know torches melted snow... that's new |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
it makes coding mods less of a pain |
| 17:40 |
Hirato |
why is local play so laggy :( |
| 17:41 |
nore |
Hirato, generally, or just with mg? |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
wooooo! https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/commit/c553df8e10f40e02dec312b61f6f424ae760ca84 |
| 17:41 |
Hirato |
generally |
| 17:42 |
Hirato |
I sohuldn't have to wait 5 seconds for a door to open :( |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122141#p122141 |
| 17:42 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: [Editor] Nodebox Editor [0.6.0 -!- rewrite, save/load] (Page 7) — Minetest-related projects — Mi[...] |
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nore |
do you use LuaJIT? |
| 17:42 |
Hirato |
of course |
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Hirato |
framerate's fine |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
^ Jordach, kaeza, VanessaE, iqualfragile |
| 17:42 |
nore |
idk then... |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
because it's minetest |
| 17:42 |
Hirato |
networking! |
| 17:43 |
Hirato |
local sockets1 |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
local play never was laggy for me |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
I don't think this is the only problem |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
Hirato, what mods do you use? |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
tfw accidentally `ndk-build clean` |
| 17:43 |
Hirato |
I noticed it had support for moretrees, so I enabled that |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
(now it's cool to say minetest is slow, deal with it) |
| 17:43 |
Hirato |
aside from that, mesecons, and your moreblocks one |
| 17:44 |
nore |
Hirato, it is _very_ limited support for now (only rubber trees since those are needed in technic) |
| 17:44 |
iqualfragile |
nore: minetest is more or less unusable without luajit |
| 17:44 |
Hirato |
my PKGBUILD can make packages for a bunch more |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
more multithreading |
| 17:44 |
Hirato |
technic? as in RBA's thing? |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
less locks |
| 17:44 |
Hirato |
more UDP! |
| 17:44 |
nore |
iqualfragile, I know... especially CPU-intensive mods such as technic or mg |
| 17:44 |
iqualfragile |
or mobf |
| 17:44 |
iqualfragile |
especialy mobf |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
less NIH |
| 17:44 |
nore |
Hirato, yep... it also supports technic and moreores |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
more actually tested stuff |
| 17:45 |
Hirato |
I think it's just the emerge thread interfering i nthe background |
| 17:45 |
nore |
(you should try to mine a bit, the ore distribution is not the same as usually...) |
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| 17:45 |
Hirato |
assumnig there arne't race conditions and shit i nthe netcode |
| 17:46 |
zat |
Is there some way to determine why minetestserver is always > 90% of CPU? |
| 17:46 |
zat |
--verbose or --trace dont reveal much. |
| 17:47 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Mod? |
| 17:48 |
Hirato |
so what does technic do except minecraft-like drops? |
| 17:48 |
nore |
add a lot of electric machines |
| 17:49 |
zat |
You say it can be in lua? |
| 17:49 |
nore |
and things for automation (so you can do auto-mining-and-crafting factories...) |
| 17:54 |
Taoki |
Is it possible to use negatives in the neighbors field of minetest.register_abm? So an abm can execute only if a node does NOT have the neighbors listed |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:55 |
zat |
No ShadowNinja, I disabled all mods and still over 90% CPU. |
| 17:56 |
Hirato |
valgrind it |
| 17:56 |
Hirato |
make a debug build too while you're at it |
| 17:56 |
thexyz |
why valgrind? |
| 17:56 |
Hirato |
oh right, derp, callgrind! |
| 17:56 |
Hirato |
profile it! |
| 17:57 |
Hirato |
gprof I think? |
| 17:57 |
thexyz |
yes, we've already decided iqualfragile's doing that |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
we did? |
| 17:59 |
Hirato |
also lol, standard UTF-8 BOMs break minetest's text parsing |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
ok, finishing one film, then i will get started |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
i might ask you to join a server for profiling |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
with bots? |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
i have this script somewhere so sure |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
(and 32gb of useless ram) |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
Hirato: minetest's text parsing is broken anyway |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
should just use utf-8 |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
instead we have a nice mix of wstring, 8-bytes string and a lot of "helpers" to convert between them |
| 18:00 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 18:00 |
thexyz |
(wstring is actually ucs-2) |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
and when something doesn't work well someone just adds narrow_to_wide or wide_to_narrow call or some shit like this |
| 18:01 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 18:01 |
Hirato |
I see mg doesn't work well with finite liquid |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
but I think irrlicht internally uses wstring too? |
| 18:02 |
Hirato |
double lol at liquids floating atop small nodes |
| 18:02 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: You know what else can I do to check what is slowing down the server that much. |
| 18:02 |
nore |
Hirato, what happens with finite liquids? |
| 18:03 |
Hirato |
nore: this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/screenshot_4151001440.jpg |
| 18:03 |
nore |
in a snow village? |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
why can't we just make minetest run fast :( |
| 18:03 |
Hirato |
TP? |
| 18:03 |
Hirato |
oh, that's RBA's |
| 18:04 |
Hirato |
nore: notice the tall thing surorunded by torches, I suspect this was initially a fountain |
| 18:04 |
Jordach |
santa model in testing, please create a character.png in your /textures/<packname>/ |
| 18:04 |
Jordach |
<MinetestBot> 5.81.192.35:30000 is up (129ms) |
| 18:05 |
Hirato |
it just.. overflowed due to finite liquid |
| 18:05 |
nore |
yes, it was... indeed, finite liquids cause problems with it |
| 18:06 |
Hirato |
I have an idea for finite liquids to help it stabilise a bit |
| 18:06 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, you busy? |
| 18:07 |
Hirato |
allow a waterflow node to randomly add a little bit to a neighbouring node with less liquid than it |
| 18:07 |
Hirato |
so you don't end up with water/lava 'hills' if you will |
| 18:11 |
Hirato |
hmm.. is the debug/profilier text meant to disappear whilst the creative mode inventory is generating previews? |
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thexyz |
oh wow |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
DATABASE |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
DATABASE |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE |
| 18:14 |
Hirato |
weeaboo detected |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
I love you too |
| 18:14 |
Hirato |
<3 |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
says a guy with that nick |
| 18:15 |
Hirato |
joke's on you, this nick came out of a random name generator |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
is that a guy from a girlie animu? |
| 18:21 |
Hirato |
you're only hating because I use VLC |
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| 18:25 |
Hirato |
IN DA MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE, JUST LIVING IN THE MAGAZINE, WHOA OH! |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, did the multiple material support get merged? |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
Hirato: you're still using VLC? |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
stop right now |
| 18:27 |
Hirato |
Stop right there, Criminal Scum, you violated my mother! |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
almost managed to get to the bottom on proller's server using Android build |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
it's harder without sneaking |
| 18:28 |
Hirato |
have you guys considered making leaves non-solid? which is to say, it slows down movement and can't be walked on |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
some games do that |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
no, actually |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
VLC is okayish tier on Linux and is crap on windows |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
(what I heard) |
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| 18:29 |
thexyz |
not considering its interface |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
which is equally shitty |
| 18:29 |
Hirato |
only true for prehistoric versions of VLC |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
dunno, maybe |
| 18:29 |
Hirato |
Qt masterrace, mofo! |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
I've been told it's got much better |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
but still, interface seems weird to me |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
especially since keybindings are different in window/fullscreen modes |
| 18:30 |
Hirato |
they are? |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
I heard they were |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
not using it |
| 18:30 |
Hirato |
I wouldn't notice, only one I ever use is pause :p |
| 18:31 |
thexyz |
https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=966&q=site%3Airc.minetest.ru+vlc&oq=site%3Airc.minetest.ru+vlc&gs_l=img.3...809.3942.0.4103.24.6.0.18.0.0.125.455.5j1.6.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..19.5.407.TamvjLuK9iA |
| 18:31 |
Taoki |
Hello. I figured out how to loop a sound at a node's position properly. However, is there a way to make a looped sound stop when you break that node? Without intensive checks |
| 18:31 |
thexyz |
> first image |
| 18:32 |
rambomedic |
Taoki shouldn't you ask that on the dev channel? |
| 18:32 |
thexyz |
also this http://i.imgur.com/kUzlm.jpg |
| 18:32 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 18:32 |
Taoki |
That's mostly for development discussion, not modding questions |
| 18:32 |
rambomedic |
thexyz lol why does minetest show up in the results for that? |
| 18:32 |
thexyz |
because there's site:irc.minetest.ru |
| 18:32 |
rambomedic |
oh |
| 18:32 |
rambomedic |
my bad |
| 18:32 |
rambomedic |
lol |
| 18:33 |
Taoki |
thexyz: VLC isn't happy with the garden God created |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
vlc isn't happy with gg subs |
| 18:33 |
Taoki |
Strange that subtitles also corrupt the image |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
I remember them using something to fuck up subtitles display in VLC |
| 18:33 |
Hirato |
Hmmm... weird |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
or not display at all |
| 18:33 |
Hirato |
if they're all on the exact same frame, why is MPC and Mplayer different? |
| 18:34 |
thexyz |
because they aren't |
| 18:34 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: No, I only had a issue with mesecons eating CPU. |
| 18:34 |
Hirato |
that's stone age VLC anyway |
| 18:34 |
thexyz |
oh okay |
| 18:35 |
Hirato |
Hmmm... June 2011.. not that stone age |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
even vlc release notes have animu reference |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
!g vlc release notes |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
how do you feel using weeaboo player? |
| 18:36 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/releases/2.1.0.html |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
3rd image |
| 18:36 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: damn it |
| 18:36 |
zat |
Now that we are chatting... for what version was the sqlite rollback included for? |
| 18:37 |
rambomedic |
woah sfan5 what did you just do |
| 18:37 |
rambomedic |
!g owncloud release notes |
| 18:37 |
MinetestBot |
rambomedic: http://owncloud.org/changelog/ |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
rambomedic: magic |
| 18:37 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: It's in 0.4.8-dev. |
| 18:38 |
rambomedic |
sfan5 does it just give you the link to the first google result of the search? |
| 18:38 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: tagged 0.4.8? |
| 18:38 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: It apparently has a issue when creating a new world from the CLI though. |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
rambomedic: yes |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
!help |
| 18:38 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
see there for more |
| 18:38 |
Hirato |
I get the feeling these so called "10-bit" encodings people do wren't exactly very VLC friendly ages back |
| 18:38 |
rambomedic |
!c 2+2 |
| 18:38 |
MinetestBot |
IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c) |
| 18:38 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: No, after 0.4.8, unrelesed. |
| 18:38 |
rambomedic |
I broke it sfan5 |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
rambomedic: c is currently broken |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
I'll fix it |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
20:38 <@ JEEB> | the pic j-b put on the release page is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175558/screenshots/vlc/vlc-2.1.0-kara2.png |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
20:38 <@ JEEB> | :D |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
20:39 <@ JEEB> | he had asked for some fancy subtitle pics |
| 18:39 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: you mean it isn't in git yet? |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
"we've updated our libass let's write about it in release notes" |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
sfan5: also there's a section "for anime fans" |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
on that page |
| 18:40 |
Peacock |
libass, hmm.... naw, too easy :P |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: seen that already |
| 18:40 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: It's in git, but it isn't in a release yet. |
| 18:41 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, umm.... IIRC it was removed again |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
it's not that bad, especially on android where decent video players do not exist |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
ugh |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
oh |
| 18:41 |
Jordach |
OH |
| 18:42 |
thexyz |
> YFW buildcraft has more than 50k installs |
| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: it is not bad on iOS either, but it can't use hardware accel. because apple doesn't allow it |
| 18:42 |
Peacock |
YFW, IIRC, i wish the channel topic had a glossary of acronyms lol |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
sfan5: yes, I know |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
Peacock: check chat logs |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
they can that! |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
it even chokes on 720p |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-12-15#i_3494888 |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
but with the native res (1136x790) it works perfectly |
| 18:43 |
Hirato |
hah, my netbook can handle full HD with VLC |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
sfan5: you shouldn't expect to watch quality on your tablet |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
be it android or ios |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
Hirato: netbook != iPod touch |
| 18:43 |
Hirato |
that's a weak-ass Atom CPU |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
"full hd" |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
without stating bitrate |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
without stating anything |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
how about 4k 10-bit? |
| 18:44 |
Hirato |
full HD == 1080p @ 60Hz, what more needs to be said? |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
@ 60hz? |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
well, videos are usually 24p |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
"full HD" doesn't say anything about hertz |
| 18:44 |
Peacock |
netbook 1/4 price of ipad lol |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
sometimes 30p |
| 18:44 |
Calinou |
game videos are often 25 or 30p |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
Hirato: video codec settings |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, multiple materials do work |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
I had that 4k sample somewhere.. |
| 18:45 |
Hirato |
beats me, all I know is it's h264 |
| 18:45 |
thexyz |
I think it ate 400-600% of CPU |
| 18:45 |
Hirato |
but that's beside the point |
| 18:45 |
thexyz |
well, that's not much |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
Hirato: 'avconv -i <videofile>' and paste that somewhere |
| 18:45 |
rambomedic |
Do you think mod developers would be happier developing for minetest rather than minecraft? Sure minetest has native support for mods, and is open source, and you don't have to wait 3 months-post release, and your mod doesn't get broken every release, but does the popularity of the java language outweigh all those benefits? |
| 18:45 |
thexyz |
if it's level 4.2 then it can be hardware decoded by every single android usb stick |
| 18:45 |
Hirato |
this itty bitty netbook with a 1.5GHz CPU and an Intel GMA 845 GPU can play it without losing any frames |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
rambomedic: it's not the populatrity of java but MC itself |
| 18:46 |
thexyz |
rambomedic: it's much easier but the problem with Minetest are lags and also you can't do fun stuff you can with native mods |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
popularity* |
| 18:46 |
Hirato |
Java's pretty unpopular |
| 18:46 |
Peacock |
besides poaching MC modders might bring some unwanted attention lol |
| 18:47 |
thexyz |
like this mod http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/728727-181-mine-upside-down-03-the-other-side/ |
| 18:47 |
Peacock |
and any of the mc modders who use/ask for donates are obviously going to want to dev for the game with the biggest userbase |
| 18:47 |
thexyz |
hm.. how much do they "earn" actually? |
| 18:48 |
rambomedic |
I doubt there's anyone living off of minecraft mods |
| 18:48 |
Peacock |
can't tell, but ive seen a few donateware mods on there |
| 18:49 |
Peacock |
i guess you'd have to ask them how much they get |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: many use adf.ly which gives 2 dollar/1000 clicks IIRC |
| 18:49 |
thexyz |
not cool |
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| 18:49 |
Hirato |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRdcptG365I relevant |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 18:49 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Most awkward moments at Minecon 2013 - YouTube |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
>how much money do you have? |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
hahahaha |
| 18:50 |
sfan5 |
that was enough.. now back to spotify |
| 18:50 |
Hirato |
I liked the second one best |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
is that like the Special Olympics edition of Minecon? |
| 18:55 |
rambomedic |
no that's minecon |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
good lord, let's hope they never come here lol |
| 18:55 |
rambomedic |
a bunch of slobbering 12-year olds whose entire lives consist of a subpar-execution of a really great idea. |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6566435/Canvas/dash/dash.htm |
| 18:56 |
Hirato |
rambomedic: but you'll get girls who invite you to their servers with business cards! |
| 18:56 |
Peacock |
judging from the weight of alot of those kids, you'd think all they do is play MC lol |
| 18:57 |
rambomedic |
Hirato: *their dads' server. |
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| 18:57 |
Hirato |
semantics |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: please make your bot post link to http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png every time someone says "alot" |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
wait, there's a quality version http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/044/ALOT.png |
| 18:57 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Remove an unused function and include from client.cpp 5fd92d67d5 2013-12-15T10:57:08-08:00 http://git.io/pYRaVg |
| 18:57 |
w_laenger |
you need to use a shorten link |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
I'll leave this as a task for him |
| 19:01 |
Jordach |
thexyz, come join 5.81.192.35 with your droid client |
| 19:01 |
Jordach |
or anyone else even: we've got santa hats on! |
| 19:02 |
thexyz |
doing that |
| 19:02 |
Jordach |
*** lagfest joins the game |
| 19:02 |
thexyz |
loading media, brb in an hour |
| 19:03 |
* Jordach |
wonders how much Jordach's 500kb upload can handle |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
it's actually quite fast |
| 19:03 |
thexyz |
(because there's no media I guess) |
| 19:04 |
thexyz |
or everything is cached already |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
ohai sfan5 |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: how did you? |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
nyankitty sounds like you |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
:D |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
...and you've used it before |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
still loading |
| 19:06 |
Jordach |
w_laenger, i see you've joined :P |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: 'another client is connected with this name' |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
sfan5, 19:07:21: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: nyankitty: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client) |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
rejoin now |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
still can't connect |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
by the way, I think the server should kick client when you rejoin, not kick you with that message |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
still loading media |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
nice .ogg sounds I won't even be able to play |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
Y U NO remote_media |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
becuz no curl in android build |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
also, I dig blocks but they don't appear in my inventory hotbar |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
wtf? |
| 19:14 |
thexyz |
ADMIN PLZ HALP |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
you have shout and interact |
| 19:15 |
thexyz |
oh I'll never understand this game |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
anyway, it's unplayable for me now |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
you should donate to get me better device to develop minetest for android |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
oh, wait, it's creative, right? |
| 19:17 |
Jordach |
thexyz, for 50 euros you can get a shitty chinese unmarked tablet that performs with 20fps on multiplayer |
| 19:17 |
Jordach |
because my mother has one of those |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
20fps |
| 19:17 |
Jordach |
thexyz, some people on PC get less |
| 19:17 |
Peacock |
for an extra 10 euro you can get the chinese that made it too :P |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
and you have only tested build with -O3 |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
and I need to do -O0 -g |
| 19:18 |
thexyz |
to successfully develop minetest, that is |
| 19:18 |
thexyz |
how much is galaxy s5? |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: just use an odroid |
| 19:20 |
Peacock |
Although the Samsung Galaxy S5 price is a long way from being confirmed, it has already been suggested that the S5 will cost more than its already pricy predecessor. |
| 19:20 |
Peacock |
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-release-date-news-rumours-specs-and-price#OrKX44qOXBqyMT9h.99 |
| 19:20 |
Peacock |
wow, i didn't copy that last bit |
| 19:20 |
thexyz |
a frame has rendered! |
| 19:20 |
thexyz |
Peacock: some sites do that |
| 19:21 |
thexyz |
well, at least I can watch |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
some news sites every time i highlight a portion of text (to get back to it later) some popup asks me if i'd like to buy a license lol |
| 19:21 |
thexyz |
wondering why's it THAT laggy |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
lol http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-SGH-M919-16GB-smartphone-T-Mobile-Cracked-glass-turns-on-/251399097819?lgeo=1&clk_rvr_id=561030794619&vectorid=229529 |
| 19:22 |
thexyz |
k, bai |
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| 19:34 |
harrison |
a shetland pony walks into a bar |
| 19:34 |
harrison |
the bartender says |
| 19:34 |
harrison |
i think there is a cold virus going around |
| 19:34 |
harrison |
i am a little hoarse myself |
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| 19:36 |
EvergreenTree |
o/ |
| 19:36 |
EvergreenTree |
/) |
| 19:36 |
EvergreenTree |
bye |
| 19:36 |
harrison |
which time was it more funny? |
| 19:38 |
harrison |
interesting |
| 19:38 |
harrison |
i'll tell it again someday soon |
| 19:38 |
harrison |
if the pattern is valid, it should be even less funny |
| 19:42 |
thexyz |
those exist? |
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| 19:44 |
thexyz |
and if you don't like those terms of use you don't use the software/service? |
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| 19:46 |
Peacock |
even if people were inclined to read the whole TOS, there are places like facebook which revises them every4-6 months lol |
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| 19:48 |
thexyz |
must be boring |
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| 19:53 |
w_laenger |
some screenshots |
| 19:53 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/1cnCeb2RMHTtXGWrZhCtWs |
| 19:53 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/2N1KoWqdL9OWcXKeVDijI5 |
| 19:53 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/6hm6x8ilwVCAWCRgcei9LJ |
| 19:53 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/2bYhRvjTwyvPdtWsucVYdr |
| 19:54 |
EvergreenTree |
http://imgur.com/DesVht6 http://imgur.com/BnazKYe http://imgur.com/xMkUV3i http://imgur.com/bZiPieB http://imgur.com/JJj60xK ahem |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
well since 99% of friends and family use fb, i cant really go w/o lol though i dont post much either |
| 19:54 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/5f4ZvRjbhtgon36mP0LzFR |
| 19:54 |
EvergreenTree |
w_laenger, here are some more that I pm'ed to Jordach http://imgur.com/DesVht6 http://imgur.com/BnazKYe http://imgur.com/xMkUV3i http://imgur.com/bZiPieB http://imgur.com/JJj60xK |
| 19:55 |
w_laenger |
mine don't only show the tree |
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| 19:57 |
w_laenger |
I like these stone structures |
| 19:58 |
EvergreenTree |
The stone structures are ugly |
| 19:59 |
w_laenger |
I like caves, too |
| 19:59 |
w_laenger |
for me the structures look good |
| 20:05 |
w_laenger |
quiet |
| 20:06 |
w_laenger |
I still hear the music |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
time for a big ass post to make |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
>human centipad |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
South Park reference |
| 20:07 |
w_laenger |
I can't connect again |
| 20:08 |
w_laenger |
de ja vu |
| 20:08 |
Jordach |
w_laenger, server closed unless EvergreenTree or john_minetest want it |
| 20:08 |
w_laenger |
ok |
| 20:09 |
w_laenger |
will you be able to play impulse tracker audio files in minetest in the future? |
| 20:10 |
w_laenger |
no? |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, pics |
| 20:11 |
w_laenger |
no. |
| 20:12 |
w_laenger |
Could not access backend storage |
| 20:12 |
w_laenger |
I'll show some random screenshots |
| 20:12 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/04Ph3XySdI8b3j5FUXn5RK |
| 20:13 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/2q7RN6MuJHyqSUDcPuEPNj |
| 20:13 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/3khJDEdnuERyiDDyd9UTzN |
| 20:14 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: look! http://ubuntuone.com/53DgvaSQwsWLhSESVW3WMH |
| 20:14 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/5914IKya2ahUiLg1SpgbMo |
| 20:14 |
w_laenger |
loading... |
| 20:15 |
w_laenger |
you could have used interlacing adam 7 |
| 20:15 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/4vrlq6270tj6x9UaMvWu9t |
| 20:15 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: I could |
| 20:16 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/3SgIpAeHsBy1LKBooQB0Vt |
| 20:16 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/4GryUYF6RFVsYOxU988piy |
| 20:16 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/7jwjrgJc2ckH1e01MfsTlW |
| 20:17 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/3skMcezxb5l3HDpoz9YwK3 |
| 20:17 |
w_laenger |
http://ubuntuone.com/0BPKqsCDJYsz4nkLm3jXGM |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
sfan5, what does that image contain? |
| 20:18 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: it's a screenshot from minetest |
| 20:18 |
sfan5 |
more specific an 8K one |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
| 20:18 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/8k_screenshot |
| 20:19 |
thexyz |
sfan5: how about 4k video? |
| 20:20 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: that would be possible |
| 20:20 |
thexyz |
do that |
| 20:20 |
thexyz |
all my cores want to render this hsit |
| 20:21 |
sfan5 |
s/cores/gfxcard cores/ |
| 20:21 |
sfan5 |
it would be like 0.25 fps |
| 20:21 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, EvergreenTree: want a singlenode mapgen (eg, we have a singlenode to start from, and build from that.) |
| 20:21 |
EvergreenTree |
What for? |
| 20:22 |
Jordach |
building in SPAACCCEEEE |
| 20:22 |
EvergreenTree |
Make it always night |
| 20:22 |
EvergreenTree |
Then it would look much more like space |
| 20:22 |
Jordach |
BTW, i will install the skins mod :O (that means spaceman EvergreenTree and spaceman Jordach |
| 20:23 |
Taoki |
Is there a Lua function that's called whenever a node is placed and / or modified? In other words, whenever any changes are made to nodes in the world. Also giving the position where the node was changed |
| 20:23 |
EvergreenTree |
The reference is strong with this one |
| 20:24 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, what about the plot I suggested a while ago for your short? |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
eh? |
| 20:24 |
EvergreenTree |
Jordach, make it always night. Then we can build in the stars |
| 20:24 |
* Jordach |
cannot remember |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
and yes, WE WILL get installed |
| 20:24 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, Sam kicking Steve off a cliff and saying "This is Minetest" |
| 20:24 |
EvergreenTree |
\o/ |
| 20:24 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, that means voice acting |
| 20:25 |
EvergreenTree |
Which I cannot do |
| 20:27 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, perhaps the minetest logo cliff :P |
| 20:27 |
PilzAdam |
would be nice |
| 20:27 |
Jordach |
i have the props, except the mic :P |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
props, mic... shall we sing, sea chanties? |
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| 20:54 |
Peacock |
lynx something i think |
| 20:54 |
Peacock |
inocudom knows who |
| 20:57 |
VanessaE |
oOChainLynxOo |
| 20:58 |
thexyz |
sfan5: why did you use ubuntuone to host your pic? |
| 20:58 |
thexyz |
it's so goddamn slow it's not even funny |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I noticed it too late |
| 20:58 |
thexyz |
also why did you use that shitty texture pack |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
I've always hated it |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
especially the dirt |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
i just used minimal |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
yes, I know |
| 21:02 |
thexyz |
oh it loaded |
| 21:02 |
thexyz |
what a shitty hosting |
| 21:03 |
sfan5 |
I'll upload the new one to dropbox |
| 21:03 |
sfan5 |
(one with hdx-512) |
| 21:06 |
Peacock |
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/195631 |
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PilzAdam |
john_minetest, join #minetest-de, the official meldrian fanclub |
| 21:18 |
kaeza |
greetings |
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Warr1024 |
hey, for create_detached_inventory, are those saved with the world, or is it the modder's responsibility to serialize and restore them as needed? |
| 21:26 |
PilzAdam |
Warr1024, I think they are not saved |
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prestotron55 |
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Warr1024 |
PilzAdam: thanks. I should probably dig into an existing "bags" mod or something to see how it's been handled in the past. |
| 21:27 |
Warr1024 |
I assume that entities don't have their own inventories (or they cannot be accessed by formspecs) so detached is the way to go. |
| 21:27 |
PilzAdam |
get_inventory() is availible for all objects |
| 21:28 |
Warr1024 |
and that inventory is persisted automatically with ents? |
| 21:28 |
Warr1024 |
that would work well if I could reference the ent's inventory in a formspec. |
| 21:30 |
Warr1024 |
is there a better guide to how formspecs actually work? |
| 21:30 |
Warr1024 |
lua_api.txt seems to explain what to put in them, but I'm still a little puzzled about how to do stuff beyond chests and furnaces and the like. |
| 21:31 |
Warr1024 |
I'd really like to be able to click on or punch an ent or something and have a series of menus and sub-inventories and such be possible. |
| 21:31 |
Warr1024 |
lua_api.txt seems to imply that the only inventories you can directly access via formspec are player, node meta, and detached, not entity. |
| 21:32 |
kaeza |
Warr1024, the formspec stuff in MT is more or less like web forms |
| 21:32 |
kaeza |
it's up to the mod to maintain the current "state" |
| 21:32 |
Warr1024 |
ok, I can handle serializing shit. |
| 21:32 |
PilzAdam |
formspecs are originally designed to handle inventory lists; its totally bloated now |
| 21:33 |
Warr1024 |
it looks as if they were designed to handle the menu system too |
| 21:33 |
Warr1024 |
though again, that works for my purposes. |
| 21:33 |
PilzAdam |
theyre not |
| 21:33 |
PilzAdam |
sapier abused it |
| 21:33 |
Warr1024 |
I figured they weren't :-) |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
Warr1024, unified inventory is an example of a complex formspec |
| 21:34 |
Warr1024 |
you got a github link for that? |
| 21:34 |
kaeza |
including sub-pages, etc |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge fixedpos and position dialogs in worldedit_gui, add cylinder dialog. https://gi 2013-12-15T13:33:39-08:00 http://git.io/K9pXGA |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix worldedit.hollow_cylinder. https://gi 2013-12-15T13:33:31-08:00 http://git.io/gZI53Q |
| 21:34 |
kaeza |
Warr1024, https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory |
| 21:34 |
Warr1024 |
awesome, thanks. |
| 21:35 |
Warr1024 |
btw, what git repos are MinetestBot watching? I've seen commits coming from a number of different places lately... |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
good to see he's still active :) |
| 21:35 |
PilzAdam |
Warr1024, the mintest repos and worldedit only |
| 21:36 |
thexyz |
formspecs are another case of NIH |
| 21:36 |
Warr1024 |
ok, so minetest, minetest_game, and minetest-worldedit? |
| 21:36 |
Warr1024 |
I didn't know that worldedit was "official"... |
| 21:36 |
thexyz |
it's not |
| 21:40 |
PilzAdam |
Warr1024, thats the annyoing part of it |
| 21:40 |
PilzAdam |
it either should watch all the big mods or none of them |
| 21:41 |
thexyz |
"should" |
| 21:41 |
Warr1024 |
hm, I still don't see anything indicating that I would have the ability to access an ent's inventory via formspec... I guess it's time for a quick trip over to RTFS-land... |
| 21:41 |
Warr1024 |
worst case, I can just use detached inventories for my ents, since they're addressable by name. |
| 21:43 |
PilzAdam |
oh, the docs are misleading again; only players have inventories; it returns nil for other objects |
| 21:44 |
Warr1024 |
oh, nice |
| 21:44 |
Warr1024 |
so detached it is. |
| 21:44 |
Warr1024 |
actually... can ents even receive formspec fields? |
| 21:44 |
Warr1024 |
or will I have to pull some kind of hack... |
| 21:44 |
Peacock |
use the on_receive function and check the formname |
| 21:45 |
PilzAdam |
minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields(func(player, formname, fields)) |
| 21:45 |
Warr1024 |
oh, I see. |
| 21:45 |
Warr1024 |
ok, gotcha, thanks. |
| 21:45 |
Warr1024 |
some of this stuff is rather counter-intuitive |
| 21:45 |
PilzAdam |
entities dont have formspecs, so they dont have a receive_field function |
| 21:45 |
Warr1024 |
I mean, I get why it needed to be done this way, stateless and all |
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| 21:46 |
Warr1024 |
well, ents can still call show_formspec to send their forms to player, then have the player's on_receive_fields hook route the call back to the ent... |
| 21:46 |
Warr1024 |
...so in effect, it should be possible to wire up ent formspec hooks via lua... |
| 21:46 |
PilzAdam |
its not the entity who calls the send_formspec function |
| 21:47 |
Warr1024 |
I know, I mean a function called by an entity callback can call minetest.show_formspec, and that form will be shown to the player, right? |
| 21:47 |
Warr1024 |
just the return address won't be set to send it back to the ent, so I have to catch it with the global registration... |
| 21:48 |
thexyz |
http://i.4cdn.org/a/src/1387138126790.png |
| 21:51 |
sfan5 |
lolwat |
| 21:52 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: does this dl faster for you? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/screenshot_4159853454.png |
| 21:52 |
thexyz |
yes, much better |
| 21:53 |
thexyz |
and now I don't understand why would you do that |
| 21:53 |
thexyz |
it's not like minetest has got graphics or anything |
| 21:53 |
Warr1024 |
so what happens if I save a reference to an entity, then the ent gets unloaded by the server? |
| 21:53 |
thexyz |
now make panoramas |
| 21:53 |
thexyz |
with web interface |
| 21:53 |
Warr1024 |
does ent.object become nil or something? |
| 21:53 |
thexyz |
"minetest gigapixel" |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
it does have graphics |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
huge screenshots have a use, thexyz |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
better have them than not have them |
| 21:54 |
thexyz |
what's their use? |
| 21:54 |
Warr1024 |
wallpaper? |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
zooming on a picture? |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
art stuff? |
| 21:54 |
thexyz |
also wtf |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
^ |
| 21:54 |
Warr1024 |
manual FSAA? |
| 21:54 |
thexyz |
on the left |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
really, it's good to have |
| 21:54 |
thexyz |
sand |
| 21:54 |
thexyz |
it's broken |
| 21:55 |
thexyz |
sfan5: |
| 21:55 |
Calinou |
Minecraft doesn't have that (it used to have it as an experimental feature, but was broken) |
| 21:55 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, it wrote out TGA's too, didn't it? Even though their other screenshot format was png? |
| 21:55 |
Calinou |
it wrote huge TGAs |
| 21:56 |
Warr1024 |
also, if speed is an issue, I don't think it's very difficult to crank the compression on png way down/off... |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
and sometimes made the game window all fuzzy after doing the screenshot |
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Peacock |
is it just me, or do some of the nodes look deformed? |
| 21:56 |
Warr1024 |
hm, there's no way to destroy a detached inventory, is there... |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Implement copy/move in the WorldEdit GUI. https://gi 2013-12-15T13:56:37-08:00 http://git.io/LvsOtg |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: it looks broken in the middle because my graphics card doesn't support 8K properly |
| 21:59 |
Warr1024 |
though really the best format for saving screenshots would be .blend :-) |
| 22:00 |
thexyz |
it looks broken everywhere then |
| 22:05 |
kaeza |
Peacock, deformed? |
| 22:05 |
kaeza |
maybe leaves waving? |
| 22:05 |
Peacock |
dunno, image just looks "weird" lol |
| 22:05 |
kaeza |
mai engrish is gud |
| 22:06 |
Peacock |
or concave |
| 22:06 |
kaeza |
screenshot? |
| 22:07 |
thexyz |
yes they do |
| 22:07 |
thexyz |
i.e. sand island on the left |
| 22:07 |
thexyz |
with the stone block |
| 22:08 |
Peacock |
aiight so my vision isn't deteriorating as quickly as i thought lol |
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| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
22:37:04: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=17186 statically but block (-14,-1,-39) already contains 49 objects. Forcing delete. |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
How high can I safely turn this up without making the server barf? |
| 22:38 |
PilzAdam |
over 9000 |
| 22:39 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, depends on the mods you run |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
about the only things that use entities are signs, item frames, mobs and pipeworks |
| 22:40 |
PilzAdam |
signs and item frames shouldnt be much of a problem |
| 22:40 |
PilzAdam |
does the mobs mod doe anything like: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/master/mods/mobs/init.lua#L396 ? |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
simple mobs + peaceful_npc to be exact, though the latter doesn't spawn by default (not sure why, probably needs some config tweak that I've been too lazy to look into) |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
500 per block sound good? |
| 22:43 |
PilzAdam |
it would be better if mods would handle the limit, when the engine refuses to store random objects then weird stuff might happen |
| 22:43 |
PilzAdam |
e.g. carts shouldnt be removed, but some mobs disappearing arent a problem |
| 22:44 |
PilzAdam |
having more than 49 objects per block might be a sign of a mod going crazy |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
naw, pipeworks uses tons of entities |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
the flowing objers in the tubes |
| 22:44 |
PilzAdam |
thought about rewriting pipeworks to not use objects? |
| 22:45 |
iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: what else should be used? |
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iqualfragile |
particles? |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
on my server, it's not uncommon to see that much activity between things like mining lasers, drills pipeworks, dropped objcts from full inventories, etc. to have tons of them around. I have item_drop with builtin+_features enabled so they'll disappear eventually anyway |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
particles are highly unstable |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
and since entities are the only other things that can move, that's all that's left |
| 22:46 |
PilzAdam |
iqualfragile, just storing the info in meta and passing that arround |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: but what about the actual visual part? |
| 22:47 |
PilzAdam |
make the pipes solid |
| 22:47 |
iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: the visuals are esential! like half my tubes do not actually transport anything but show of mese crystals and bones |
| 22:47 |
iqualfragile |
additionally its a lot easier to debug |
| 22:48 |
PilzAdam |
additionally its a lot more stuff to handle for the server and that increases lag for all clients |
| 22:48 |
PilzAdam |
but whatever |
| 23:02 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Reduce cloud coloring for colored fog and cloud mode 3946d2a504 2013-12-15T15:16:06-08:00 http://git.io/sesPjA |
| 23:19 |
harrison |
<Peacock> aiight so my vision isn't deteriorating as quickly as i thought lol |
| 23:20 |
harrison |
i am sorry to hear of your recent difficulties |
| 23:20 |
iqualfragile |
how many frenchmen does it take to defend paris? |
| 23:20 |
harrison |
weewee monsewer? |
| 23:21 |
harrison |
a man and his wife from paris swim on a deserted beach in normandy late in the season |
| 23:21 |
harrison |
the wife tragically drowns |
| 23:21 |
iqualfragile |
not sure, they never tried! |
| 23:21 |
harrison |
her husband gets her body back to shore |
| 23:22 |
harrison |
tries artificial respiration |
| 23:22 |
harrison |
when it fails, he runs off to call the gendarmes from the hotel |
| 23:22 |
harrison |
and runs back to the beach |
| 23:23 |
harrison |
where he finds a man coupling with his wife's corpse |
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harrison |
the husband tackles and punches the stranger |
| 23:23 |
harrison |
yelling "Zat is my wife! Et she is DEAD!" |
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harrison |
to which the stranger replies |
| 23:24 |
harrison |
"Excuse me --- I though she was an american tourist!" |
| 23:26 |
iqualfragile |
harrison: i dont get it… whas she a landwhale or what? |
| 23:26 |
harrison |
no, frigid and sexually unresponsive |
| 23:26 |
harrison |
compared to the lusty, natural french woman |
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iqualfragile |
oh, i thought we were mocking the french |
| 23:28 |
harrison |
weewee monsewer |
| 23:37 |
Peacock |
dunno if the french jokes are directed at me or calinou, but only one of us' from france :P |
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EverHill |
Sokomine Do you want land in Harpold's Gruenberg ? |
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