| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
is there a reliable way to determine what mod is creating map and hence mesh updates? |
| 00:36 |
kahrl |
disable half the mods, run, see if it still generates the updates, if yes -> offending mod in the enabled half, if no -> other half, repeat |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
well besides a bisect :P |
| 00:38 |
VanessaE |
I'm loking for something that's spamming nearby areas about every 3 seconds or so |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
looking* |
| 00:39 |
* NekoGloop |
sets a cookie in VanessaE's lap |
| 00:43 |
zat |
loslib.c:(.text+0x46): warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
ignore that. |
| 00:44 |
zat |
I cannot ignore dangers! |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
its dangerous if you're a coder working on loslib.c :P |
| 00:44 |
zat |
oslib.c:( |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
ok oslib.c then |
| 00:46 |
zat |
oslib.c:( |
| 00:46 |
Menche |
compile minetest with -Wall -Wextra in the CFLAGS. the warnings are spectacular. |
| 00:46 |
zat |
(including frown) |
| 00:46 |
ShadowNinja |
Hah. |
| 00:46 |
ShadowNinja |
plol Menche. |
| 00:48 |
kahrl |
VanessaE: this should do the trick: http://paste.dy.fi/Gcz |
| 00:48 |
kahrl |
(put it in builtin.lua or wherever) |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
ah, I hadn't thought about it from that perspective |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
have you tried turning it off an on again? :P |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/obama-shutdown-meme-509x620.jpg |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
display_blocks quickly rises to the top of the list. |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
...inetest/games/vanessae_game/mods/display_blocks/init.lua:43 |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
I'll have to make a point to yell at jojoa |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
yelling won't do anything, let's bind and beat him |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
or roll him up in a carpet and throw him off a bridge :D |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
*facepalm* |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
he doesn't even check for air before add_node() ?? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
come on jojo, this is Modding 101 stuff. |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
airchecking is for wimps :P |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
http://memegenerator.net/instance/41869681 |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
Modding 101 would make awesome tutorial titles though |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/jojoa1997/display_blocks/pull/1 |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
there, that fixes the issue with that mod. |
| 01:08 |
Peacock |
jojoa's prolly sleeping at this hour tho |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
probably. |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
well no |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
not at 9:09pm |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
he's likely awake but doing homework |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
parental restrictions |
| 01:09 |
Peacock |
jesus at ten yrs old i was expected to be in bed by 8 lol |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
he's 16 |
| 01:10 |
Peacock |
16? |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
I think so |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
im pretty sure he said 10 and 12 on different occasions lol |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
but heck i get ogb and nekogloop mixed up all the time too so who knows lol |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:12 |
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| 01:12 |
NekoGloop |
mew |
| 01:12 |
Peacock |
i cant even remember my own age half the time, i have to do the math from my birth year lol |
| 01:14 |
Peacock |
you laugh at this though, the other day i was walking home, and walked straight passed my building XD |
| 01:14 |
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| 01:15 |
us|0gb |
I knew the display blocks were destructive (jojoa accidentally showed me that), but i didn't realize they were also destructive to performance. |
| 01:15 |
us|0gb |
Peacock, I never remember my age when people ask either. |
| 01:15 |
us|0gb |
Maybe it's because I ignore my birthday. |
| 01:15 |
Peacock |
seriously, i stopped keeping track when i stopped having bday parties lol |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
these days we just get shitfaced and order thai lol |
| 01:17 |
us|0gb |
I don't even do that. My birthday is just another day to me. |
| 01:18 |
Peacock |
well you need to have fun while you're young, im pushing 30 and nights like that are getting more costly :P |
| 01:18 |
Peacock |
(hangover-wise) |
| 01:18 |
us|0gb |
Celebrating the arbitrary isn't my idea of fun though. |
| 01:19 |
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| 01:19 |
Peacock |
well so's christmas and the 4 of july, i bet you dont sit at home alone though? |
| 01:19 |
Niften |
hello |
| 01:19 |
Niften |
xD first thing when I get on peacock says that |
| 01:19 |
us|0gb |
Hello! Just who I've been looking for. |
| 01:19 |
Niften |
0gb :D |
| 01:19 |
Niften |
I hate the L-system :? |
| 01:19 |
Niften |
:/ |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
in Quebec it's extra fun because we have two national holidays, the St-Jean Baptiste on june 24th, and Canada day on July 5th |
| 01:19 |
us|0gb |
Also, I ignore all holidays to the extent my family will allow. They're all arbitrary. |
| 01:20 |
us|0gb |
Niften, we can't support v7 in our game. |
| 01:20 |
Niften |
why? |
| 01:20 |
Peacock |
that's two weekends of missing memory engrams |
| 01:20 |
us|0gb |
V7 requires "default:ice", but we aren't using default. |
| 01:20 |
Niften |
we can easily make some engine adjustments? |
| 01:20 |
Niften |
c: |
| 01:20 |
us|0gb |
Most stuff like that is handled with mapgen aliases, but that one isn't. |
| 01:21 |
us|0gb |
I made an engine adjustment about 11 days ago, but it's not getting pulled. I wouldn't be so impatient, but out time before 0.4.8 is waining. |
| 01:21 |
Niften |
I was on the forum the other day and saw an LUA biome api |
| 01:21 |
Niften |
mod |
| 01:21 |
Niften |
thingy |
| 01:21 |
us|0gb |
If 0.4.8 hits without that pull, we cannot suppoer v7. |
| 01:22 |
us|0gb |
*support |
| 01:22 |
Niften |
0gb |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
thingies are cool, but doohickeys are better |
| 01:22 |
Niften |
we can easily download the source, change up le values, and recompile xD |
| 01:22 |
Niften |
it will require another/different build of mt but it'll be worth it.. |
| 01:23 |
us|0gb |
If we recompile, we can't expect our game to run on other peoples' machines. In which case, our game is essentially a private one. |
| 01:23 |
Niften |
true |
| 01:23 |
Peacock |
not even in server mode? |
| 01:23 |
us|0gb |
I would change it on my machin in a heartbeat, but it won't help us. |
| 01:23 |
Niften |
they can re-download it |
| 01:23 |
Niften |
xD |
| 01:24 |
us|0gb |
We could run a compatible server Peacock, but that would be a private game (not private world). |
| 01:24 |
us|0gb |
We can't expect others to choose our version of the game. That's the problem with forking. |
| 01:24 |
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| 01:24 |
Niften |
I see your point though... if we don't want to use MGV7 then there's an definable biome mod. |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
have you tried spooning? |
| 01:24 |
Niften |
:o |
| 01:24 |
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| 01:25 |
Niften |
spooning/ |
| 01:25 |
Niften |
? |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 01:25 |
* Niften |
spoons |
| 01:25 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 01:25 |
Niften |
xD |
| 01:25 |
Niften |
lol |
| 01:25 |
us|0gb |
Peacock, all anniversaries are arbitrary. The initial event may or may not be, but the anniversary is always arbitrary with very few exceptions. That's why I don't celebrate my birthday/holidays. |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
what do you celebrate? |
| 01:26 |
us|0gb |
Definable biomes would be cool for v6. |
| 01:26 |
us|0gb |
I celebrate actual events at the time they happen. |
| 01:27 |
Peacock |
but you dont drink get high or pick up anybody, so im kinda curious what's "fun" for you lol |
| 01:27 |
us|0gb |
Yeah. Different people prefer different activities. Sex, drugs, and gambling are just not it for me. |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
we can agree on gambling, there's a warm place in my oven for gamblers lol |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
i worked a convenience store for 3 years, those motherfuckin' scratchies lol |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
people always showed up with a stack of them during rushour, i eventually learned how to crash the terminal |
| 01:29 |
us|0gb |
Most people think they will win, but I think I could never win. It kind of kills the game for me. |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: just fyi, that code you gave me (which I stuck at the end of builtin.lua, btw) now reveals only one mod doing any periodic node activities - technic quarry - but its actions don't correlate with the mapblock activity on the in-client profiler. Any thoughts? |
| 01:29 |
Peacock |
though ive been known to put money on billiards, only because im good though lol |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
and its not totally random |
| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
mainloop_draw and _dtime show it, but not the processed_meshes field |
| 01:30 |
Niften |
back |
| 01:30 |
us|0gb |
I suppose that's more reasonable than slots and scratchits. |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
anything lottery related is rigged against people |
| 01:30 |
us|0gb |
Exactly. |
| 01:30 |
us|0gb |
The house always wins. |
| 01:30 |
Peacock |
if you win too much in a casino they accuse you of cheating |
| 01:31 |
Peacock |
but you never told me how you celebrate something :P |
| 01:31 |
us|0gb |
I did not know that. |
| 01:32 |
us|0gb |
How? Well, celebration for me is mild. It's not something I'm good at or do often. I can't remember the last time I did. |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
usually in parties i can't really make chit chat without a few beers lol otherwise it's akward |
| 01:34 |
us|0gb |
I go to parties, but they are arbitrary parties such as parties for arbitrary holidays. At that point, the party itself is arbitrary, but my attendance isn't, as I'm just taking my opportunity. |
| 01:35 |
us|0gb |
Or rather, the reason for the party is arbitrary. |
| 01:35 |
us|0gb |
But I'm not celebrating, only hanging out. |
| 01:35 |
us|0gb |
I think holidays and anniversaries are just an excuse for such events. But why should we need an excuse? |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
holidays is something else though |
| 01:36 |
us|0gb |
If I had the time and money, I'd have a party on whatever day I wanted, not limit it to a holiday. |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
you're expected to be with family so you drink for different reasons lol |
| 01:37 |
us|0gb |
Hmm. I don't drink though. Are you implying that one needs to dring to stand the presence of family? If so, I feel your pain. |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
if you had my family, you'd drink lol |
| 01:37 |
us|0gb |
I'm not fond of family get-togethers either. |
| 01:38 |
us|0gb |
But none of the stories I've heard about alcohol consumption sound like something I'd want to experience. |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
one of my cousins is a cokehead construction worker, the other cousin's a skank, my aunt yells at my uncle constantly, etc. lol |
| 01:39 |
us|0gb |
Yeah, my mother yells at everyone, but it just makes me want to leave not drink. |
| 01:39 |
Peacock |
well yeah i guess its kinda different for english speaking people, they get drunk and tend to fight |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
french people just drink and drink lol |
| 01:40 |
us|0gb |
Are you French? |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
french cdn yeah |
| 01:40 |
us|0gb |
And I mean stories about ho it makes you feel and such. |
| 01:40 |
us|0gb |
"Cdn"? |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
canadian :P |
| 01:40 |
us|0gb |
*how |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
well anyone who's already depressed shouldn't drink |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
though its different if you're just anxious like me lol |
| 01:41 |
iqualfragile |
french people just drink and cock |
| 01:41 |
us|0gb |
Anyone who hate idiots shouldn't either. Drinking turns you into one of them for a while. I don't want to hate myself. |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
tell that to calinou :P |
| 01:42 |
us|0gb |
What do you mean by "cock"? |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
and i thought you had me on ignore? |
| 01:42 |
us|0gb |
I did? Since when? |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
not you, iqualfrajilee |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
maybe he just likes the cock and wishes he were french XD |
| 01:43 |
us|0gb |
Oh, gotcha'. iqualfragile's name is the same color as yours and I'm not paying attention. I thought he/she was you. |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
all the names on xchat are the same colour except mine |
| 01:44 |
iqualfragile |
anarchy! |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
ok i think he's already drunk lol it is saturday after all |
| 01:44 |
us|0gb |
I need more colors for rooms this full. |
| 01:44 |
iqualfragile |
just came back from a wedding |
| 01:45 |
us|0gb |
Saturday in Canada? Impossible. |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
open bar? |
| 01:45 |
iqualfragile |
siting in front of your computer in a suit is fun |
| 01:45 |
iqualfragile |
you should try |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
oh shit, it's friday lol |
| 01:45 |
us|0gb |
Nah. Suits aren't fun for me. |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
suit? i look like something out of Reservoir Dogs lol |
| 01:45 |
iqualfragile |
open bar? nah, waiters came and got you what you wanted |
| 01:46 |
iqualfragile |
going to bed now, its time |
| 01:46 |
us|0gb |
G'night! |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
when my older sister got married i was still a minor, so naturally all her friends got me beers for shits and giggles lol |
| 01:46 |
arsdragonfly |
w8 a min |
| 01:46 |
arsdragonfly |
iqualfragile you there? |
| 01:47 |
iqualfragile |
you have like 7 minutes untill i drop dead arsdragonfly |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 01:48 |
arsdragonfly |
ok i uploaded several files for the RandomMessages Mod because I met error 502 and thought it wasn't working |
| 01:48 |
arsdragonfly |
all the files are the same, so you can pick up any one |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
arsdragonfly: yes, did that |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
but it wa 500 not 502 iirc |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
was a bug, stupid bug, my fault |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
like realy stupid |
| 01:53 |
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| 01:53 |
UniversalBuilder |
How do i fix minetest exe???? |
| 01:54 |
UniversalBuilder |
it says it stoipped working |
| 01:54 |
UniversalBuilder |
:\ |
| 01:56 |
UniversalBuilder |
Minetest has stopped working. |
| 01:56 |
UniversalBuilder |
How do I fix it?? |
| 01:56 |
UniversalBuilder |
http://prntscr.com/1vbouv |
| 01:57 |
UniversalBuilder |
I tried to reinstall it |
| 01:57 |
UniversalBuilder |
but it is still the same |
| 01:58 |
Peacock |
have you tried turning it off and on? |
| 01:58 |
UniversalBuilder |
of course |
| 01:58 |
Peacock |
hm, |
| 01:58 |
UniversalBuilder |
ive even restarted my computer |
| 01:59 |
Peacock |
file a bug report, a fix should be forthcoming in 12-18 months |
| 01:59 |
UniversalBuilder |
and its still teh same |
| 01:59 |
UniversalBuilder |
okay, but how? |
| 01:59 |
Peacock |
did you try reinstalling? |
| 02:01 |
UniversalBuilder |
yeah |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
lol P |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
lol Peacock |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
damned tabcomplete |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: is it meaningful if drawtime can vary by as much as say 50% relative to fps? |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
lol at what exactly? lol i say alot of ridiculous shit |
| 02:01 |
kaeza |
Peacock, you just sounded like the average tech support guy :3 |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
like a draw time of 22 gives a fps of about 24, but then sign out/in and I get 35-40 fps with a draw time of like 23? |
| 02:02 |
Peacock |
kaeza too bad i dont get paid like redhat guys lol |
| 02:02 |
kaeza |
UniversalBuilder, system? |
| 02:02 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:02 |
UniversalBuilder |
what> |
| 02:02 |
UniversalBuilder |
oh |
| 02:02 |
UniversalBuilder |
windows 7 |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
christ compels you! use trisquell! |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
just kidding |
| 02:03 |
kaeza |
lol trisquel |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
christ who? |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
lol trisquel indeed |
| 02:03 |
UniversalBuilder |
:S |
| 02:03 |
kaeza |
Peacock, suggest an OS that actually works pls |
| 02:03 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
average trisquel user evening (w/o flash): http://s22.postimg.org/jtavh4j6p/funny.png |
| 02:04 |
kaeza |
lel |
| 02:05 |
kaeza |
I can't hear you over the sound of my BSD licensed software |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
vanessa christ the allmighty :P |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
never heard of him |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
one of those modern bands or something? |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
well if its any comfort, i think all the Abrahamic religions are bullshit |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:06 |
kaeza |
http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2296#comic |
| 02:08 |
Peacock |
anyone who's actually read the old testatement / new testament / quran knows those people are batshit insane |
| 02:08 |
Peacock |
they were all written in a time were there was no science to explain shit |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
the more science advances these days, the more religious people reject it as a whole |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
ie, intelligent design |
| 02:09 |
us|0gb |
kaeza, Trisquel does work. As long as you don't use sleep mode, ha ha. |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
no flash |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
no binary video drivers |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
no way hombre |
| 02:11 |
us|0gb |
No, I don't have Flash, but I have Gnash. Gnash ... sort of works. |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
sort of is good enough for people who care about the 4 freedoms, but i didn't fork out for a new tower for good enough |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
besides |
| 02:12 |
us|0gb |
I understand that. |
| 02:12 |
Peacock |
its the format of the videos themselves that trisquel disagrees with, not the players |
| 02:12 |
us|0gb |
Personally, I don't care about formats myself. But I'm not a member of their board. |
| 02:12 |
Peacock |
"Unfortunately, the .swf format and Adobe's official player are proprietary. " |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
"dear <porn site> webmaster, please convert your videos and website to use webm or ogg theora" lol |
| 02:14 |
Peacock |
can't see that happening soon |
| 02:14 |
us|0gb |
Let me rephrase: I don't care about video formats as long as we can play them. If we can't play them, we can't play them. |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
onpon would chastise you for wanting to play swf :P |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
I have had issues with Flash sites and had to give up on watching Haven, which was sad. Small loss though. |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
I don't know who Onpon is. |
| 02:15 |
VanessaE |
bbl, bed |
| 02:15 |
khonkhortisan |
porn is already open source |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
G'night! |
| 02:15 |
us|0gb |
I don't care about porn. |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
onpon = supermegazealot |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
porn aside, theres ton of other shit that plays flash videos lol |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
vine, YT, etc. |
| 02:16 |
khonkhortisan |
I like the standalone flash player, I can lose stuff in my many browser tabs |
| 02:16 |
us|0gb |
YouTube works in Gnash. |
| 02:16 |
khonkhortisan |
also why I like non-webchat irc |
| 02:17 |
us|0gb |
I did lose a lot of other sites in the switch though. |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
well, thats why i like compromise-capable-linux lol |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
giving up shit for the 4 freedoms isn't freedom if you end up with reduced choices |
| 02:19 |
us|0gb |
I think for the short run, you are right. |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
well its like having a democracy but being told you can only vote for the same 2-3 parties |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
(the approved ones) |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
in the end i'd rather have linux with a touch of prop. then an all free or all prop. solution |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
cuz neither extreme is terribly good |
| 02:20 |
us|0gb |
But by chosing from the more limited selection and leaving out any not in the selection, parties have to join the selection to compete. |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
well not even Linus Torvalds bothers with GPLv3, so im not sure that analogy applies |
| 02:21 |
us|0gb |
Peacock, I agree about the current extremes. |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
like honestly, id rather not use windows full time, but i know something like Trisquel would suck as much for what i want to do w/ my computer |
| 02:22 |
us|0gb |
I disagree with Torvalds though. I saw a video in which he explained his logic, and I think he's dead wrong. |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
well at least you and him are free to disagree, if RMS had his way neither of you would have a choice :P |
| 02:23 |
us|0gb |
If he had his way, we'd live in a free world. A world where we would be free to build and advance. I don't fully agree with all he says, but the free software thing I do. |
| 02:23 |
khonkhortisan |
In freedroidrpg, the megacompany found a bug in the open-source licence, and seized all code and made it their own. |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
well his ideas aren't bad, but in a world where people struggle to pay for food and rent, it's unrealistic |
| 02:24 |
us|0gb |
I agree. |
| 02:24 |
us|0gb |
But that doesn't mean I don't dream of the same world. |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
khonkhortisan shit like that will happen, regardless if its copyleft or copyright |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
thats why i think lawyers are snakes lol |
| 02:25 |
us|0gb |
The current system involves holding us all back to make money for a few. |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
ogb that's fine, but first and foremost i'd rather a world where people don't struggle for the basic necessities, and computers ain't one yet |
| 02:26 |
us|0gb |
That's understandable. |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
!g social credit |
| 02:26 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
good read |
| 02:26 |
us|0gb |
I can't stand up for every just cause though. I'd stretch myself too thin. |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
well yeah but if i had time to give, id work soup kitchens, not for the fsf lol |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
i give what i can to the salvation army in the meantime |
| 02:28 |
us|0gb |
You mean by donating old goods? I do the same, but to Value Village, who donates to The Arc. |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
heck me and my wife both had personal bankruptcies, and we give shit to the salvation army lol mostly old clothes and old furniture |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
don't like throwing shit in the trash that's still good, even if it doesn't fit |
| 02:30 |
us|0gb |
I'm the same way. I'd hate waste if there were any hatred to spare on that. But in any case, I really don't like seeing things wasted when they can still be used for anything. |
| 02:32 |
NekoGloop |
My most healing in TF2 is 3142... as heavy. |
| 02:33 |
Peacock |
the bakery where i worked at give all their 1 day old break to a charity org, what they didn't take we brought home and ate lol |
| 02:33 |
Peacock |
ps, bio-bread = door stops |
| 02:36 |
us|0gb |
The pizza joint I work at donates our old pizzas. But it's not that the owner cares about people. He doesn't. But he likes the tax write off for the donation. |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
oh i worked a pizza joint too, you dont wanna know what we made with the old pizza lol just don't order spaghetti lol |
| 02:40 |
us|0gb |
Okay ... who here is good at defining unusual Minetest nodes? |
| 02:41 |
kaeza |
us|0gb, define unusual |
| 02:42 |
us|0gb |
kaeza, fog. I need it to be transparent, non-liquid, and not let you see through other nodes (for example, the ground). Any time I get it transparent, it also grants x-ray vision. |
| 02:42 |
kaeza |
ah |
| 02:42 |
us|0gb |
I'm using alpha to make it transparent. |
| 02:42 |
kaeza |
tried allfaces_optional drawtype? |
| 02:43 |
us|0gb |
I did. It grants x-ray vision. |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
hmm... |
| 02:43 |
us|0gb |
I tried all drawtypes besides the obvious wrong ones (such as plantlike and nodebox) and the liquids (as they crash the client). |
| 02:45 |
us|0gb |
I tried glasslike even. That removed the transparency, ironically. |
| 02:45 |
kaeza |
that's weird |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
shit i have regular nodes that appear transparent without glasslike or texture alpha lol |
| 02:46 |
us|0gb |
I guess I could go with nodebox, but it seems like such a bad choice for this task. |
| 02:46 |
us|0gb |
Not texture alpha, node definition alpha. |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
we got 3 different types of alpha, im at a loss to explain the differences lol |
| 02:47 |
us|0gb |
PNG alpha, node definition alpha, and what? |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
glasslike |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
cant we just have 1 alpha and leave it up to the user to make sure the texture is actually transparent? lol |
| 02:48 |
us|0gb |
Glasslike has no transparency. |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
coulda fooled me lol |
| 02:49 |
us|0gb |
You need PNG alpha to use transparency in glasslike. |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
what is the purpose of glasslike then? any node can have a missing portion of texture and have it "look" transparent |
| 02:49 |
ShadowNinja |
Huh? Yes it does. It has non-transparent parts |
| 02:49 |
us|0gb |
Water, for example, uses the node definition alpha. You can't do that with PNG alpha. |
| 02:50 |
cy1 |
VanessaE: https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop |
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us|0gb |
ShadowNinja, what has non-transparent parts? Glass? |
| 02:50 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes |
| 02:51 |
us|0gb |
I need a water-like transparency - a transparency where there are no holes in the image and yet you can see through the whole thing. |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
use texture alpha |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
make the texture partially transparent |
| 02:52 |
us|0gb |
Minetest doesn't allow that. |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
yeah it does? |
| 02:52 |
us|0gb |
It renders images incorrectly when you do that. |
| 02:52 |
us|0gb |
I'll try anyway though, hold on ... |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
well i have stained glass nodes |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
i know theres that bug where you stick it against water or whatnot |
| 02:56 |
us|0gb |
It seems the PNG transparency thing was fixed. It did not work in the past. Thanks! |
| 02:56 |
zat |
Everybody behold my new guilty pleasure!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBMq9JCiXG0 |
| 02:58 |
us|0gb |
It looks like PNG transparency plus the allfaces drawtype is what I needed. Thanks! |
| 02:59 |
us|0gb |
zat, that video is certainly different. |
| 02:59 |
zat |
..different |
| 03:01 |
zat |
And you have not yet seen their latest release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5TMIqJsXE |
| 03:01 |
us|0gb |
Okay, allfaces isn't right either. It looks too odd in a large group. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
g'evening folks |
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us|0gb |
Good evening, thefamilygrog66! |
| 03:09 |
us|0gb |
Okay, this isn't working. I'm not sure I can make this fog look good. |
| 03:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what are you working on us|0gb? |
| 03:10 |
us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, fog nodes. But I can't get them right. |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
animated? |
| 03:10 |
us|0gb |
No, just translucent. |
| 03:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
ahh |
| 03:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have a new mod idea, or addition to one of my other mods, but I'm not sure it'll work - have to research a bit |
| 03:12 |
us|0gb |
But they either give you x-ray vision, are not translucent at all, show edges in the middle of the fog, or put up a barier that you can't see well through but once you're in the fog, you can see just fine. |
| 03:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hmm, sounds tricky |
| 03:14 |
us|0gb |
As you can see, you can currently see the lines between fog nodes: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=4e7a414 |
| 03:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
are the original png files translucent/semi-transparent? |
| 03:14 |
us|0gb |
They are now, yes. |
| 03:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
paramtype = "light", ? |
| 03:15 |
us|0gb |
Yup. |
| 03:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I got nothing, sorry! |
| 03:16 |
us|0gb |
No worries. Thanks for trying. |
| 03:18 |
us|0gb |
Okay ... It seems if the alpha setting is used, it is ignored but the texture's alpha is used. If the alpha setting is not used, the whole translucent image goes invisible. |
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jojoa1997 |
can anyone help me with installing ubutntu onto a flashdrive. I cant get the guides online to work. |
| 03:26 |
zat |
someone knows what is worldedit infinity for? |
| 03:26 |
ShadowNinja |
jojoa1997: Try using unetbootin. |
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us|0gb |
I've tried installing systems on flash drives as well and failed. |
| 03:27 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Nothing yet, but if you read the code you can guess what it will be. |
| 03:27 |
khonkhortisan |
someone knows | what is worldedit infinity for? |
| 03:27 |
us|0gb |
I've never even heard of Worldedit Infinity, only regular Worldedit. |
| 03:27 |
zat |
or worldedit_commands |
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jojoa1997 |
us|0gb: you made an edit of worldedit on your server |
| 03:27 |
khonkhortisan |
commands is a folder |
| 03:27 |
zat |
yes lol... I just saw it named in a server |
| 03:28 |
khonkhortisan |
worldedit itself is a mod |
| 03:28 |
zat |
got it, a subfolder lol |
| 03:28 |
us|0gb |
jojoa1997, no, I rewrote it from scratch. |
| 03:28 |
jojoa1997 |
ah |
| 03:28 |
jojoa1997 |
ShadowNinja: is unebootin a linux program? |
| 03:28 |
us|0gb |
worldedit_commands adds the commands to worldedit. It has no commands by default. |
| 03:28 |
us|0gb |
jojoa1997, yes. |
| 03:28 |
khonkhortisan |
I believe that's for installing multiple oses onto a flash drive? |
| 03:29 |
ShadowNinja |
jojoa1997: unetbootin works on all/most platrorms AFAIK. |
| 03:29 |
jojoa1997 |
well i just need to install one |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I've successfully installed Puppy Linux on a number of flashdrives, jojoa1997 |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
(that's what it's meant for, really) |
| 03:31 |
us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, I have as well, but my number is zero. |
| 03:31 |
* us|0gb |
thinks he's funny, but really isn't |
| 03:32 |
jojoa1997 |
but my number is zero. what? |
| 03:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
math jokes |
| 03:32 |
khonkhortisan |
I have also installed puppy linux on -1 flash drives |
| 03:32 |
jojoa1997 |
i know what us|0gb's number is |
| 03:32 |
khonkhortisan |
but that's an antisigned int |
| 03:33 |
us|0gb |
"<thefamilygrog66> I've successfully installed Puppy Linux on a number of flashdrives, jojoa1997". A number. Technically, anyone can say they've done any activity a number of times. The number might be zero. |
| 03:33 |
jojoa1997 |
ah |
| 03:33 |
jojoa1997 |
also us|0gb is your number 000-000-0000 |
| 03:33 |
us|0gb |
I thought about choosing a negative number and appending ", whatever that means", but opted against it. |
| 03:34 |
us|0gb |
My number is just one zero. No dashes. |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997 |
0000000000 |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997 |
:P |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997 |
anyways |
| 03:34 |
us|0gb |
That's not just one zero. |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997 |
should i choose 10.04_Live |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997 |
0 |
| 03:35 |
us|0gb |
Well, I guess stupid-looking fog it is. I can't fix it. I don't have the skill yet. |
| 03:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
animate it! |
| 03:35 |
us|0gb |
10.04_Live of what, Ubuntu? |
| 03:36 |
us|0gb |
Animation won't fix the problem, only make it more complex. |
| 03:39 |
jojoa1997 |
Ubuntu 11.10_Live_x64 |
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paramat |
today's captcha was 'celestial lointoa' :/ |
| 03:46 |
us|0gb |
I don't know that second word. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Hi all! |
| 03:48 |
us|0gb |
Hello! |
| 03:48 |
zsoltisawesome |
Ah surprise to see you here |
| 03:49 |
us|0gb |
Why is that? |
| 03:52 |
Naked |
could it be possible to have a game mode that mimics 2 worlds. very close to each other but with different gravities? world 1 has a rooftop of say 1k blocks and from there world 2 with inverted gravities starts? |
| 03:52 |
Naked |
or more simple a way to include inverted gravities into the game? |
| 03:52 |
khonkhortisan |
it wouldn't work right. The character camera is locked. |
| 03:53 |
khonkhortisan |
You'd be doing handstands the whole time |
| 03:53 |
paramat |
directional gravity would be amazing |
| 03:53 |
Naked |
damn |
| 03:53 |
Naked |
yesterday I saw a movie with that theme |
| 03:56 |
us|0gb |
FINALLY! I achived an effect similar to what I was after. This should be good enough. |
| 03:56 |
paramat |
the minetest cosmology is an ancient one: of a stack of flat realms with one gravity direction |
| 03:57 |
ShadowNinja |
The world is flat! Columbus lied! ;-) |
| 03:58 |
paramat |
i tried many different semi-transparencies but they were all buggy, fog is an excellent idea ... |
| 03:58 |
us|0gb |
ShadowNinja, http://xkcd.com/1255/ |
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zsoltisawesome |
Sorry bout that |
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us|0gb |
paramat, I finally got it with a node alpha setting, a translucent image, a glasslike drawtype, and apost_effect_color. If you want more details, I can PM you, but I can't paste it without disturbing people. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Just stick it on p.nw2.us |
| 04:01 |
paramat |
yes i'd like to see that, either PM or pastebin or forum whatever |
| 04:02 |
zsoltisawesome |
Hey, so how do you make a water type block that is solid? |
| 04:02 |
zsoltisawesome |
In lua, noob question |
| 04:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Get watter, set walkable = true |
| 04:03 |
us|0gb |
I tried that. It works. |
| 04:03 |
us|0gb |
Not quite the effect I was going for, but that's what it does. |
| 04:03 |
ShadowNinja |
And modify any similar settings. |
| 04:05 |
zsoltisawesome |
So, when ever I try to make such a block, when I stick my head in it then it turns my display black |
| 04:07 |
zsoltisawesome |
Btw not that type of solid, solid as in nonmoving source block thing |
| 04:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep, you shouldn't be able to stick your head in it if it is walkable(solid). |
| 04:07 |
us|0gb |
Ah. I don't think that's an option until 0.4.8. |
| 04:08 |
us|0gb |
Set the distance of something - I forget what - to zero. |
| 04:08 |
us|0gb |
But it might still drop down, I don't know. |
| 04:08 |
Naked |
any one plays openttd here? |
| 04:08 |
khonkhortisan |
I've played it |
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zsoltisawesome |
Trying to make a decorative nether portal that works like the MC one |
| 04:08 |
dafull97 |
Hey |
| 04:09 |
* khonkhortisan |
is now known as zsoltisgreen |
| 04:09 |
ShadowNinja |
zsoltisawesome: See how PilzAdam's nether mod does it. |
| 04:10 |
zsoltisawesome |
Does it have the purple alpha thing? |
| 04:10 |
us|0gb |
I don't think the API is ready for Minecraft portals yet. |
| 04:10 |
khonkhortisan |
it's barely ready for fully rotating nodes |
| 04:10 |
zsoltisawesome |
Its DE-COR-A-TIVE |
| 04:11 |
zsoltisawesome |
XD |
| 04:11 |
khonkhortisan |
Hey why won't this portal work? |
| 04:11 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, it looks just like MC nether portals. |
| 04:11 |
zsoltisawesome |
Hehe |
| 04:11 |
khonkhortisan |
it looks just the same as in minecraft. Is it because it's someone else's? |
| 04:11 |
paramat |
ive made translucent nodes but in testing distant ones seen through closer ones has a trippy effect, the further one looks closer |
| 04:12 |
khonkhortisan |
clouds do that too |
| 04:13 |
khonkhortisan |
just use both eyes, it'll fix that problem |
| 04:13 |
ShadowNinja |
There is a old wontfix issue on that. |
| 04:13 |
us|0gb |
I know what you mean paramat, but that's as close as I could get to making it work. |
| 04:14 |
zsoltisawesome |
Does minetest support semi-transparent skins? |
| 04:14 |
zat |
What mod can give me a welcome message to a new player? |
| 04:15 |
zat |
kind of... full screen |
| 04:15 |
ShadowNinja |
Even if it does, that is just asking for glitches... |
| 04:15 |
us|0gb |
You might have to build one. People use welcome scripts on several servers, but I've never seen one released. |
| 04:16 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: None AFAIK, you need to write one yourself, possibly using the wiki mod API. |
| 04:17 |
zat |
Must be simple then |
| 04:17 |
zat |
that mod displays messages |
| 04:17 |
zsoltisawesome |
Ya, im trying to make Moontest have a spaceman skin that has a semi transparent visor |
| 04:18 |
us|0gb |
That would look cool. |
| 04:18 |
zsoltisawesome |
I agree |
| 04:18 |
zat |
a suggestion... players should be told they are banned when they are... banned. |
| 04:18 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Rewrite banning. ;-) |
| 04:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Currently it just ignores banned clients AFAIK. |
| 04:19 |
zat |
Like the "you are dead" message, but it should say something like..... "wtf u banned rofl pwnd" |
| 04:23 |
us|0gb |
zat, I agree, but a more professional message should be used. Or a server-setable message. |
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zat |
server-setable != pro |
| 04:25 |
zat |
though saying "u banned n00b" is kinda pro. |
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| 04:26 |
zsoltisawesome |
What did I miss? |
| 04:26 |
zsoltisawesome |
Hey, is anyone here a good pixel artist? |
| 04:26 |
us|0gb |
"u banned n00b" is very unprofessional. But if it was server-settable, any server that wanted to not look like trash could choose to not look like trash. |
| 04:27 |
us|0gb |
zsoltisawesome, I'm not good, but I probably will be by the time I finish my next big thing. |
| 04:27 |
zsoltisawesome |
Ah, ok |
| 04:27 |
us|0gb |
So many nodes I need to texture ... |
| 04:28 |
paramat |
us0gb, for mist i think you also need sunlight_propagates true, pointable false, diggable false, buildable_to true |
| 04:28 |
zsoltisawesome |
I need a freaking 16x16 moon texture |
| 04:29 |
zat |
us|0gb: "u banned n00b" is certainly what a pro l33t player would say. |
| 04:29 |
zsoltisawesome |
I'm thinking of just adding some grayscale noise to the clay texture |
| 04:31 |
us|0gb |
That paste was only dealing with the graphics. sunlight_propogates would cause it to not block light, I'm not sure if I want that, but maybe. Diggable has never had an effect when I used it. I set all sorts of things to not diggable then dug them anyway. Buildable_to and I don't get along well, so maybe. I need a way to mine the mist, and I'm not sure how to do that if it's not pointable. |
| 04:32 |
us|0gb |
zat, I disagree. I thing anyone calling themselves "l33t" is pretty trashy. |
| 04:32 |
us|0gb |
*think |
| 04:32 |
zsoltisawesome |
Because I'm just not loving the texture hybrid dog (no offense to him) made cause its non tillable and dark |
| 04:32 |
us|0gb |
Or is acting trashy at the time they say it, anyway. |
| 04:32 |
zsoltisawesome |
1000% offended |
| 04:33 |
us|0gb |
I'm very sorry. But I cannot take it back, I truly feel such "words" are trashy. |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
l33t, a division in the special olympics isn't it? |
| 04:34 |
us|0gb |
Probably. But those people are special. |
| 04:34 |
zsoltisawesome |
Not by you, offended at misuse of the phrase 'l33t' |
| 04:34 |
us|0gb |
Being special isn't something to aspire to. |
| 04:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Mini Me: http://i.imgur.com/pAYya6h.png |
| 04:35 |
zsoltisawesome |
Can someone explain why I feel like a total noob? |
| 04:35 |
us|0gb |
Ha ha, nice. |
| 04:35 |
us|0gb |
Sorry, I don't know why. |
| 04:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Still trying to figure out vertical positioning though, after changing size. |
| 04:37 |
us|0gb |
I just set diggable to false again. I can still dig the nodes. |
| 04:37 |
thefamilygrog66 |
creative? |
| 04:37 |
zsoltisawesome |
I hate advertising, but can anyone help me with tinyurl.com/Moontest I need alot of help |
| 04:37 |
zat |
uh, you are right... us|0gangbang. |
| 04:38 |
zat |
kik |
| 04:38 |
us|0gb |
Non-creative doesn't have a hand right now, so yes. But before, outside of creative, diggable didn't seem to mean anything either. |
| 04:39 |
zsoltisawesome |
NOONE INSULTS us|0gb AROUND ME |
| 04:39 |
us|0gb |
I can take insults. Besides, was I even insulted? If so, I completely missed it. |
| 04:39 |
zat |
it was not an insult lol |
| 04:40 |
zat |
it actually is what I think every time I read 0gb |
| 04:40 |
zat |
...yes, I know......... |
| 04:40 |
zsoltisawesome |
Sorry for over reacting, I'm a little protective of friends |
| 04:40 |
us|0gb |
"gb" could be anything. |
| 04:40 |
zsoltisawesome |
But it could be what it is: gigabyte |
| 04:40 |
us|0gb |
zsoltisawesome, thanks! |
| 04:41 |
zsoltisawesome |
:D |
| 04:41 |
us|0gb |
It is a backronym. The meaning was chosen AFTER the short version. |
| 04:41 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
constantly insults us|0gb, hahaha |
| 04:41 |
zat |
good that nobody said I am pron obsessed... |
| 04:42 |
zsoltisawesome |
I thought it but I didn't say it |
| 04:42 |
us|0gb |
Did you even mention porn? |
| 04:42 |
zsoltisawesome |
Yes |
| 04:42 |
zat |
Gangbang is a pron term D: |
| 04:43 |
us|0gb |
I though gang bang was a shootout between rival gangs. |
| 04:43 |
zsoltisawesome |
Naughty mouse! |
| 04:43 |
zat |
yes sounds like that |
| 04:43 |
zat |
I must go sleep now |
| 04:43 |
us|0gb |
G'night! |
| 04:43 |
zat |
my lovely gf is waiting for me! |
| 04:44 |
zat |
(gf = girlfriend) |
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zsoltisawesome |
... |
| 04:44 |
zat |
she plays Minetest with me |
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Peacock |
your hand can wait |
| 04:44 |
us|0gb |
Nice! |
| 04:44 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 04:44 |
zat |
ah speaking of which... |
| 04:44 |
zat |
http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s17e02-informative-murder-porn |
| 04:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
us|0gb, what do you have in groups = {} |
| 04:45 |
zat |
this almost killed me |
| 04:45 |
zat |
(the episode) |
| 04:45 |
zat |
Peacock: unlike yours, not all girlfriends are hands! |
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us|0gb |
Groups? oddly_breakable_by_hand, for test purposes. |
| 04:45 |
Peacock |
my wife has hands of her own, surprisingly :P |
| 04:46 |
zat |
sorry for not being able to compose smarter replies... I am 90% asleep and English IS NOT my native language. |
| 04:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
then it'll be diggable by default, no? |
| 04:46 |
zat |
kisses to all yes so what |
| 04:46 |
zat |
bye |
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zsoltisawesome |
What is then? |
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us|0gb |
zat, won't play without Flash. |
| 04:47 |
us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, what is the "digable" setting for then? |
| 04:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
use chrome |
| 04:47 |
us|0gb |
Will it work in Chrome without Flash? |
| 04:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
chrome has flash built in |
| 04:47 |
zsoltisawesome |
No crap |
| 04:47 |
us|0gb |
Then I can't use Chrome. |
| 04:47 |
thefamilygrog66 |
why? |
| 04:48 |
us|0gb |
Because it has Flash built it. I don't use non-free software such as Flash. |
| 04:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
err...I didn't pay for it |
| 04:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
ergo, it's free |
| 04:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Free as in freedom |
| 04:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
whatever |
| 04:49 |
zsoltisawesome |
Because he's a FSF guy |
| 04:49 |
us|0gb |
Free software is software that doesn't restrict your freedoms, not software that doesn't have a monetary cost. |
| 04:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have the freedom to watch flash videos |
| 04:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
therefore, I'm freer. |
| 04:49 |
us|0gb |
Some free software is not free of charge. |
| 04:49 |
us|0gb |
You can use Flash, but I choose not to. |
| 04:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
why, because it's not open source? |
| 04:50 |
us|0gb |
Because it's not free. |
| 04:50 |
thefamilygrog66 |
how does it restrict your "freedoms" exactly? |
| 04:50 |
us|0gb |
Free software is open source, but not all open source software is free. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Because its not analogous to free speech |
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thefamilygrog66 |
that makes zero sense |
| 04:51 |
zsoltisawesome |
Go read the book Coding Freedom |
| 04:51 |
us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66: |
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thefamilygrog66 |
why don't you try to explain it yourself? |
| 04:51 |
us|0gb |
The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). |
| 04:51 |
us|0gb |
The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. |
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us|0gb |
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). |
| 04:51 |
us|0gb |
The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Then it will |
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thefamilygrog66 |
us|0gb, you used to use a macbook, correct? |
| 04:52 |
us|0gb |
That was long before I came here. |
| 04:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it was last year, if I recall |
| 04:52 |
us|0gb |
Also, I no longer use Macs of any kind. |
| 04:53 |
us|0gb |
Not a Macbook. |
| 04:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
a mac of some sort |
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thefamilygrog66 |
I remember we discussed it on your server awhile back |
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us|0gb |
I used a different Mac, but that was before I understood why I shouldn't use it. |
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us|0gb |
You can't blame me for past ignorance. |
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zsoltisawesome |
I wish I had a useable computer |
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thefamilygrog66 |
fair enough, but macs are the antethesis of "free", despite using a locked down version of linux |
| 04:54 |
ShadowNinja |
zsoltisawesome: How are you connecting without one? |
| 04:54 |
zsoltisawesome |
Iphone |
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thefamilygrog66 |
hahaha |
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us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, I understand that, which is why I don't use them. |
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us|0gb |
ANd they are versions of BSD, not GNU/Linux. |
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ShadowNinja |
thefamilygrog66: BSD actually. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
<zsoltisawesome> Go read the book Coding Freedom |
| 04:55 |
zsoltisawesome |
Yet another example of hoe freaking poor I am |
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thefamilygrog66 |
<zsoltisawesome> Iphone |
| 04:56 |
zsoltisawesome |
And? I don't have a job |
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thefamilygrog66 |
you don't see what I'm getting at there? |
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ShadowNinja |
Abd yet you have a Iphone? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
a locked-down, proprietary mac product? |
| 04:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
and you're lecturing me about coding freedom? |
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zsoltisawesome |
A shitty one |
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us|0gb |
He said to read the book to understand what I meant, he never said he agreed with me. |
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zsoltisawesome |
I sorta do |
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us|0gb |
Lots of people help others understand what I mean without agreeing with me. |
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Peacock |
not this again lol |
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thefamilygrog66 |
bahaha |
| 04:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I understand that you're a bit extreme with your beliefs in open source software |
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us|0gb |
Peacock, thefamilygrog66 just wanted to know why I don't use Flash. I'm not peddling anything. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Do I look like a fucking shill for Adobe? |
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us|0gb |
Not open source software, but free software. Not all open source software is free. |
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zsoltisawesome |
No |
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thefamilygrog66 |
whatever, I use what works in the situation required |
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us|0gb |
You asked, I answered. I'm not here to make trouble. |
| 04:59 |
Peacock |
just because minetest is opensource doesn't mean every discussion about every application and OS has to revolve around opensource :P |
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Peacock |
kinda stumbled in here halfway (was doing dishes) |
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paramat |
Peacock, here's a simple paragen LVM for testing in 0.4.7dev. no trees or clouds, with new faster perlin functions http://www.mediafire.com/download/n2vn3y9pjvuc2vd/paragenlvm051013.zip |
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us|0gb |
Peacock, I'm just trying to not use Flash in peace. |
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Peacock |
DL'ed |
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Peacock |
thats fine ogb, but like vegans, you dont need to explain why to everyone everytime :P |
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thefamilygrog66 |
I just think that's like saying, I'd really like to put up a picture, but since my hammer has a Craftsman logo on it, I can't hammer a nail into the wall |
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Peacock |
paramat will test tomorrow, server's shut down for the night |
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us|0gb |
I'll explain why when people ask, as thefamilygrog66 did this time. Should I not answer questions? |
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paramat |
cool |
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Peacock |
too many griefers tonight lol |
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us|0gb |
The Craftsman hammer doesn't have a "no modification or examination" clause. |
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Peacock |
i just hate how politicized software has become :P sucks the fun out of dev'ing anything |
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thefamilygrog66 |
why would you need to modify it or examine it, if it does what you need it to do? |
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Peacock |
id rather just get involved in real politics at that point lol |
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kaeza |
us|0gb, but at least it has a "It works!" clause on it :P |
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kaeza |
</troll> |
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thefamilygrog66 |
why can't you just use it if it's what's required in that given situation? |
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Peacock |
kaeza lol |
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us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, some software has been known to have malicius features built in. Some companies even sell your CPU cycles with it. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
who's buying? |
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Peacock |
kaeza you have to pay 5.99$/min on a 1-900 line for support with your open source hammer :P |
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us|0gb |
I don't know who's buying the cycles. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Guys, please stop. |
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us|0gb |
I'm ready to stop at any point, provided people aren't trying to push non-free software on me. I don't care if y'all want to restrict your own freedoms. |
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Peacock |
using what works != restricting own freedom |
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us|0gb |
I just don't want to use it myself, and should be free to not do so. |
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Peacock |
you can be totally free by living in a shack in the woods off the land, but not too many people would want to do without creature comforts either |
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Peacock |
(same kind of analogy) |
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us|0gb |
THat's not free, that's being a hermit. |
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us|0gb |
(There is a difference, you know.) |
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kaeza |
[02:05:08] <us|0gb> I just don't want to use it myself, and should be free to not do so. |
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zsoltisawesome |
Sadly the reason I haven't given up flash is because my school requires it |
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Peacock |
well if the extreme-fsf types are a minority of the open source minority, does that not make them technological hermits too? |
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kaeza |
by the same token, I use "proprietary" software and am free to do so without anyone telling me I will burn in hell for doing so |
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thefamilygrog66 |
you're so burning in hell, kaeza |
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Peacock |
lol |
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us|0gb |
No, as we still interact with those around us, we just choose to do it in a way we feel is ethical. |
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kaeza |
"ethics" -- now an absolute term |
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Peacock |
and freedom only has one definition too it seems :P |
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zsoltisawesome |
I'm gone, this is too much |
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us|0gb |
Ethics are subjective. And meaningless. We all as individuals have our own set of ethics. |
| 05:08 |
Naked |
ethics limit your freedom |
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thefamilygrog66 |
^^^ |
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us|0gb |
Freedom has several definitions. |
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kaeza |
us|0gb, exactly my point |
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us|0gb |
Naked, yes they do. |
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us|0gb |
Naked, we should all be free to rape and murder. Is that what you mean? There is a point where your freedoms impose on the freedoms of others. |
| 05:10 |
Naked |
well how ever this pit of hell topic started I will say I enjoy my minetest free games and my "closed" games |
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thefamilygrog66 |
and that point is flash. |
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us|0gb |
No, my lack of using Flash does not require you to use or not use it. |
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us|0gb |
Naked, yes, enjoy your possibly-vast library of games. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
it imposes on my freedom to show you a video of my choice |
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Peacock |
i dont get the point of using computers at all if you don't like how 90% of it's technologies are developed |
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us|0gb |
thefamilygrog66, that sounds like you're trying to FORCE me to see a video that I should be free to not view if I choose not to view it. |
| 05:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
WATCH THE VIDEO |
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Peacock |
lol |
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us|0gb |
I will not. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
hahahaa |
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kaeza |
:D |
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Peacock |
i have no idea what trisquel users do for fun on their computers, compile new kernels probably lol |
| 05:14 |
Peacock |
or watch the old gif porn of the early 90s |
| 05:14 |
thefamilytroll66 |
ascii porn |
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us|0gb |
I don't actually enjoy compiling, and don't do it often. |
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us|0gb |
I also am asexual, so I don't like porn. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I have a minetest question, so I'm gonna ask about asking questions. |
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Peacock |
lol |
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us|0gb |
Okay, cool. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
If I change the size of an object on the fly, it retains it's vertical centre instead of gravity pulling it to the ground. What setting(s) am I missing? |
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kaeza |
no setting |
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kaeza |
that's how it wrks |
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kaeza |
+o |
| 05:17 |
kaeza |
in any case set it's gravity/acceleration accordingly |
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us|0gb |
THat sounds like an issue I'm having with plantlike nodes. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I change the collisionbox dimensions and visual_size but the object floats in the air or is stuck in the ground, depending on whether it's shrinking or growing. |
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kaeza |
thefamilytroll66, check the collision box |
| 05:23 |
kaeza |
if you didn't set one explicitly, it is the size of a node |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I did change it though |
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Peacock |
les entities, sa suce |
| 05:24 |
thefamilytroll66 |
Here's an example: these two players are standing right beside each other |
| 05:24 |
thefamilytroll66 |
http://i.imgur.com/LsNjuBB.png |
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thefamilytroll66 |
The little dude is floating in mid-air |
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kaeza |
can you screenshot the boxes? |
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thefamilytroll66 |
Let me try, one sec |
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thefamilytroll66 |
(fun running three versions of minetest simultaneously for these screenshots!) |
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Peacock |
resizing players or making facsimiles? |
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kaeza |
on that topic, I'm not sure if you can change the collision boxes of players |
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us|0gb |
thefamilytroll66, I imagine so. That must make them slow. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
kaeza, I did, but it doesn't seem to help |
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thefamilytroll66 |
Okay, here's more of a side view, for a better perspective: |
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thefamilytroll66 |
http://i.imgur.com/WYnGGHF.png |
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thefamilytroll66 |
http://i.imgur.com/vogQvr3.png |
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paramat |
cute |
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thefamilytroll66 |
more beans... :) |
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paramat |
my captcha was 'metal pokedic' 8/ |
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Peacock |
sounds painful |
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kaeza |
lol |
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Peacock |
http://www.trudeaucorp.com/media/catalogue/0996900-P-G.jpg |
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thefamilytroll66 |
sounds like my last date... |
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Peacock |
tell her to put the round tip on her tongue piercing, not the conic one :P |
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thefamilytroll66 |
ouch |
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thefamilytroll66 |
here's what the other bean does - note how I'm now half stuck in the ground: |
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thefamilytroll66 |
http://i.imgur.com/wz79Auq.png |
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khonkhortisan |
I learned from 1,000 ways to die to not get tongue piercings |
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Peacock |
yeah thats cuz your pos is the same and the player pos is at the center of it's body (relative) |
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Peacock |
so smaller peoples = must set pos lower |
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Peacock |
bigger peoples = must set pos higher |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I do that, but then it jumps/falls almost immediately |
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us|0gb |
Yeah, I can see why, but I don't know how to fix it ... |
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khonkhortisan |
death kiss: two cars racing toward a wall in the middle of the road, two people lean out and kiss, one has a knob tongue piercing, the other has a ring tongue piercing. |
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paramat |
us0gb, your mist node definition is working well for me so far :) |
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us|0gb |
Great! |
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thefamilytroll66 |
here's the part of the code for the growing/shrinking: |
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paramat |
you reminded me to add fog to paragen / paragenv7, shaped by the humidity perlin noise |
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thefamilytroll66 |
http://pastebin.com/VD378y5d |
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us|0gb |
What is paragen? |
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paramat |
! |
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thefamilytroll66 |
maybe if I setpos after changing the size |
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paramat |
;) my lua mapgen mod, also works with MGV7 |
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us|0gb |
Ah, got it. I have no idea how to work with perlin noise yet, but I hope to learn. I'm trying to learn the Minetest API by using most of its non-entity features. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
any ideas, Peacock? |
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Peacock |
oups sorry was fininshing dishes |
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Peacock |
you already tried setpos before/after resizing? |
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thefamilytroll66 |
just doing that now... |
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thefamilytroll66 |
Yeah, same thing, unfortunately. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I'm gonna sleep on it... |
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Peacock |
weird |
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us|0gb |
Peacock, the problem is that the selection box is resizing, but the collision box is not. |
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us|0gb |
(I have no idea how to fix that.) |
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Peacock |
oh, can't you adjust both? or are they static? |
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us|0gb |
I don't know. I have an issue like that in one of my scripts as well. It should have a 16^3 collision box, but doesn't. |
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Peacock |
youd think selection box and collision box would be the same lol |
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us|0gb |
Yes and no. |
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Peacock |
except when objects are non physical |
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thefamilytroll66 |
Yeah, specifically stating the collision box, but that doesn't seem to matter. |
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us|0gb |
If I recall, players have ... special properties. They may not respond to the usual methods. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
Unless, of course, it's when the entity is initially spawned. |
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us|0gb |
I forget what I tried to do with players, but I never did figure out how. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I'll play around a bit tomorrow to see if it behaves similarly with mobs - e.g. if a mob is hit, it shrinks to 1/2 size, that sorta thing |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I really like the idea of the player being able to change size during gameplay though. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
There's gotta be a setting which defines how high off the ground the player's centre is. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
And not just changing setpos, which doesn't seem to matter |
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us|0gb |
Try setting initial_sprite_basepos. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I saw that, and thought it only applied to 2D players |
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thefamilytroll66 |
I'll try it in the morning though - for now, I must sleep. |
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us|0gb |
Okay, good night. |
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thefamilytroll66 |
thanks for your help/suggestions, guys and have a good night - I apologize for being a freedom troll :) |
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us|0gb |
No worries. It happens. |
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TheSprtCz |
Hi, is here someone who can add new translation? |
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sfan5 |
TheSprtCz: maybe http://translate.minetest.ru helps you |
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TheSprtCz |
thx |
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Hunterz |
hi |
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Hunterz |
please where is saved for example this setting: minetest.setting_set("static_spawnpoint", minetest.pos_to_string(pos)) ? |
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Hunterz |
after restart server ther is not set |
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Hunterz |
hmm mayebe setting_save :) |
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arsdragonfly |
Hunterz: iirc it's saved in minetest.conf |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Hunterz |
hm setting_save was needed... now is spawnpoint saved :) |
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hmm, thinking about some weird idea: i think it should be possible to generate textures via lua before nodes are defined. so we could make one generative texture pack that fits for all texture resolutions |
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When is server log full of similar: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player nickname moved too fast; resetting position - server is totally laggy |
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hi |
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prestotron55: shadowninja was last seen at 2013-10-05 04:56:28 UTC on #minetest |
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nore |
hi all |
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VanessaE |
hi nore |
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nore |
I see my energy branch has been merged into technic... is it faster now? |
| 12:05 |
VanessaE |
yes |
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chlue |
at least it seem to have made landrush server instable :-P |
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chlue |
but I guess that has other reasons |
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chlue |
nore: Not sure if it is due to your changes, but technic solars out of range don't produce any power anymore (former they produced even at night which was wrong too) |
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chlue |
and the high calculation is wrong you already get max power at 35 instead of the former 130 (or was this desired?) |
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VanessaE |
the only solution to that, chlue, is to force the server to always run routine operations on all mapblocks containing technic nodes |
| 13:05 |
VanessaE |
(mesecons and pipeworks need this too) |
| 13:05 |
VanessaE |
this is not really possible unfortunately. |
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VanessaE |
not yet anyway |
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VanessaE |
unless someone can find a way to create a bunch of "dummy" players that are positioned in any mapblock containing a technic, mesecon, or pipeworks item |
| 13:09 |
Hunterz |
is possible disabling fire spreading? |
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chlue |
VanessaeE they worked in the past by keeping their last state. Only the switching station needs to be loaded |
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chlue |
Apparently an active block can querry the whole map loaded or unloaded, so only the control blocks need to be active |
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chlue |
the drawback was that this solars resumed to work at night trough, because their own code to shut them down was not run |
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Dan_D |
Help? This doesn't seem to do anything.: |
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Dan_D |
on_use = minetest.set_timeofday(0.3), |
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nore |
VanessaE, there my force_load pull is handy |
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Dan_D |
There isn't even an error or anything,just nothing happens |
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VanessaE |
maybe you lack priv to set the time of day? |
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chlue |
Dan_D does it really expect float numbers. thought time of day is 0...23999 |
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Dan_D |
In code 0.75 is dusk, 0.25 dwan |
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Dan_D |
Quote: "minetest.set_timeofday(val): val: 0...1; 0 = midnight, 0.5 = midday" |
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Dan_D |
The whole code is: |
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Dan_D |
minetest.register_tool("castle:day_orb", { |
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Dan_D |
description = "Orb of Day", |
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Dan_D |
inventory_image = "castle_day.png", |
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Dan_D |
on_use = minetest.set_timeofday("0.3"), |
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Dan_D |
}) |
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Dan_D |
Woops |
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nore |
Dan_D, it can't work like that |
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UniversalBuilder |
How come I can't log in with my normal account in minetest however, the guest account works??? |
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Dan_D |
How then? |
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UniversalBuilder |
This is for the Landrush server |
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nore |
you need to write: on_use = function() ... end |
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Dan_D |
Ok... |
| 13:20 |
UniversalBuilder |
when I log in with this account (The Universal Builder), an error message appears and says minetest exe not working |
| 13:20 |
Dan_D |
The apple doesn't need that for eating |
| 13:21 |
Dan_D |
This is weird. |
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chlue |
UniversalBuilder: I can connect. Maybee you got yourself banned? Or the client is too old and it only breaks if you have something special in your inventory? |
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nore |
Dan_D, it is because item_eat returns another function |
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UniversalBuilder |
@Chlue, im sure i did not get banned |
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UniversalBuilder |
I idd nothing wron |
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UniversalBuilder |
g |
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Dan_D |
Oh |
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UniversalBuilder |
And I reinstalled the latest version, which I already had |
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chlue |
UniversalBuilder: I just saw your connect msg and some time later a timeout msg. |
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Dan_D |
I may do it differently the |
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chlue |
UniversalBuilder: Maybee take a look at debug.txt. Some people in the forum reported issues too |
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UniversalBuilder |
Yeah |
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UniversalBuilder |
Ok thanks |
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UniversalBuilder |
Ok, I cut it |
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UniversalBuilder |
should i paste it in the forum? |
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UniversalBuilder |
and if so, where? |
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chlue |
UniversalBuilder: If it is the same as the other people posted than there is likely nothing to gain. Otherwise I would post in the server forum thread with a code snippet of the relevant part (if is is <<100 lines) |
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chlue |
btw are you on windows or run linux with your own client build? |
| 13:28 |
UniversalBuilder |
Windows |
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mahomet |
i'm on FreeBSD |
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UniversalBuilder |
7 |
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mahomet |
stuck on a framebuffer console, which weechat seems to dislike |
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DutchGamer2013 |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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DutchGamer2013 |
he is now loading |
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VanessaE |
ok |
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DutchGamer2013 |
and this is the first time i use irc haha |
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VanessaE |
wrong network though :) |
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DutchGamer2013 |
what you mean? |
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VanessaE |
this channel is general minetest dicussion |
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DutchGamer2013 |
yeah |
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DutchGamer2013 |
oh |
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VanessaE |
welcome though :) |
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Dan_D |
Should an 'orb'to set the time to day be one use only? Or infinite? |
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DutchGamer2013 |
how can i come in the good one? |
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VanessaE |
my channel is on irc.inchra.net #minetest |
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DutchGamer2013 |
how come i get there? |
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VanessaE |
/server irc.inchra.net |
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VanessaE |
/join #minetest |
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VanessaE |
but you can stay in here too |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
this channel is good too |
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DutchGamer2013 |
no know i try to in the good one |
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DutchGamer2013 |
haha |
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DutchGamer2013 |
http://irc.lc/inchra/InchraNet/Inchra@@@ |
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DutchGamer2013 |
that site? |
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VanessaE |
yep |
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DutchGamer2013 |
im in that site |
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DutchGamer2013 |
but i dont see your name |
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VanessaE |
you need to join the channel #minetest |
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VanessaE |
put a nick name and use channel #minetest |
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VanessaE |
then hit 'join' |
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VanessaE |
er hit 'start' |
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DutchGamer2013 |
oke |
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DutchGamer2013 |
he said failed to conection |
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Dan_D |
If obsidian represents night, what node means day? |
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Dan_D |
Not torches or lava |
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Dan_D |
And not fire, because it is unobtainable |
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Dan_D |
Maybe lava buckets? |
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Dan_D |
bucket:bucket_lava |
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VanessaE |
I would say that a super glow glass does. |
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VanessaE |
it's the brightest object I know of |
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VanessaE |
short of the sun itself |
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Dan_D |
I mean in default Mt |
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Dan_D |
Maybe torch? IDK |
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Dan_D |
I would say fire if only it was obtainable in survival |
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VanessaE |
idk |
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* VanessaE |
looks |
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Dan_D |
Whatever is obtainable in survival will do. |
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VanessaE |
argh |
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VanessaE |
G*d damn this inventory bug |
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VanessaE |
even happens on single player |
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Dan_D |
What about a lava bucket |
| 13:59 |
Dan_D |
Which when used in the craft returns an empty bucket |
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VanessaE |
how about diamond blocks? |
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VanessaE |
diamond is often sold for its "fire" (it's shiny, multi-faceted reflective properties) |
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VanessaE |
irl I mean |
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sfan5 |
!op |
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| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
!deop |
| 14:02 |
Dan_D |
I may use lava buckets then I think. |
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Dan_D |
Diamonds arenot orange. |
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VanessaE |
why does it have to be orange? |
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Dan_D |
I would use mese, but that is quite expensive. |
| 14:02 |
Dan_D |
Because the craft result is orange |
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VanessaE |
mese is cheap |
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Dan_D |
What about mesecrystal fragments? |
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Dan_D |
Is it default:mese_crystal_fragment? |
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VanessaE |
oh btw those HDX minegeld I meant to show you, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png -- http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld_5.png -- http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld_10.png |
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VanessaE |
(I have not drawn the new 5mg and 10mg notes yet) |
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Dan_D |
They are the ones for use in the texture pack? Or the mod? Also, I will definately change to the notes rather than stacks. |
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Dan_D |
PS: AWESOME!!! |
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VanessaE |
those are for HDX. |
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VanessaE |
for the mod I will draw pixel art |
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Dan_D |
Yay thanks |
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Dan_D |
Can you update castle on your server? |
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VanessaE |
why? |
| 14:11 |
Dan_D |
I just did an update, durr :P |
| 14:12 |
VanessaE |
well no shit, sherlock :) |
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VanessaE |
what's the update |
| 14:12 |
Dan_D |
Magical Time Orbs |
| 14:12 |
Dan_D |
They don't rollback, don't worry |
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VanessaE |
orbs that can set night/day? |
| 14:12 |
Dan_D |
Yes |
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VanessaE |
no. |
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Dan_D |
Please |
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VanessaE |
I will not. |
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Dan_D |
Plzzzzz |
| 14:12 |
Dan_D |
Why not anyway? |
| 14:13 |
Dan_D |
Got you there |
| 14:13 |
Dan_D |
Imagine orbsthat could rollback... that would be deadly. |
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Dan_D |
Anyway, can you at least keep the day orb? |
| 14:14 |
Dan_D |
Because of my low screen brightness, I can't ever see anything in the Mt night |
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VanessaE |
no, no and no. |
| 14:14 |
Dan_D |
WHY? |
| 14:15 |
VanessaE |
because I don't want people being able to change the time of day at all |
| 14:15 |
Dan_D |
So you want me to only be able to play in the MInetest day? That is weird |
| 14:15 |
Exio4 |
cheat and make the night brighter |
| 14:16 |
Dan_D |
On VanessaE's server? How? |
| 14:16 |
VanessaE |
fix your video driver. |
| 14:16 |
Dan_D |
'Fix it' How? |
| 14:17 |
Exio4 |
Dan_D: light.cpp |
| 14:17 |
Dan_D |
And what is wrong with magic orbs? If you remove them from creative inventory, no-one will ever be able to find them and make them, except from me. |
| 14:17 |
Exio4 |
there are various light 'tablets' |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
Exio4: I am not going to compile anything myself, too much hassle. |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
Please VanessaE? |
| 14:18 |
Exio4 |
someone, make a fake_time to someone's play |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
Please VanessaE?? |
| 14:19 |
Dan_D |
*wails* Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?????????? |
| 14:19 |
Dan_D |
What is the problem withmagic orbs, seriously? |
| 14:19 |
Dan_D |
PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ |
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Exio4 |
what is wrong with compiling it yourself |
| 14:19 |
Exio4 |
and stop flooding |
| 14:19 |
Dan_D |
I have no idea how to and don't want to re-compile with every nightly update |
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Exio4 |
after you did it for one time, recompiling it is uber-easy |
| 14:20 |
Dan_D |
So, VanessaE, how about updating Castle then? |
| 14:20 |
Exio4 |
like, when compiling @ desktop it is just "git pull; make -j7" |
| 14:21 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, how do you know that I may have included a hidden cheat that is only removable with the update? |
| 14:21 |
Dan_D |
ie, a cheat in the currenct version. |
| 14:21 |
Dan_D |
Also, how long till the new textures are done? |
| 14:22 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE? You there? |
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Exio4 |
tf? |
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Rhy5 |
Ok Esteban |
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Esteban97 |
:D |
| 14:43 |
Rhy5 |
Now if you get a Guest name |
| 14:44 |
Rhy5 |
Do /nick another user |
| 14:44 |
Rhy5 |
Lets Whois. :) |
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Esteban97 |
ok |
| 14:44 |
Rhy5 |
And Exit from Minetest. :) |
| 14:44 |
Esteban97 |
how i do that again? XD |
| 14:44 |
Rhy5 |
Just click my name |
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Rhy5 |
And press query |
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VanessaE |
G*d damn he's impatient |
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dante123 |
hi all |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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dante123 |
Teaching continents and oceans to grade 2 and 3 students......I would like to be able to create a "map" with seven "mini" continents. Is this possible? Has it already been done? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
WorldEdit _may_ help |
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dante123 |
Basically I would asign students in groups to build on their continent |
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VanessaE |
you'll basically have to do that yourself |
| 15:09 |
VanessaE |
I don't know of any map seed that would generate anything even close to that |
| 15:09 |
dante123 |
I have worldedit 1.0 with 4.7 minetest. I want to start with a blank map where I can then create the mini continents |
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dante123 |
Is this possible |
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sfan5[Mac] |
yes |
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sfan5[Mac] |
singlenode mapgen |
| 15:09 |
sfan5[Mac] |
.. |
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VanessaE |
blank map is easy enough.. |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
what he said. |
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dante123 |
Okay, newbie here, walk me through basics....start minetest, enter worldedit command singlenode mapgen? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
no |
| 15:10 |
sfan5[Mac] |
start world |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
maybe some kind of script to read through a drawing of the 7 continents (e.g. on a Mercator projection) and generate a WE file of it |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
then you could import it |
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dante123 |
im over my head already |
| 15:11 |
dante123 |
;-) |
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sfan5[Mac] |
(go out of the world); delete map.sqlite; change the mapgen line of world.mt to "mapgen = singlenode"; go into world |
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* VanessaE |
imagines compressing the entire earth surface down into something roughly 1x1km in size :) |
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sfan5[Mac] |
do //pos1; move a bit; do //pos2; //set water_source |
| 15:12 |
sfan5[Mac] |
you only need to make a big enough ocean |
| 15:12 |
sfan5[Mac] |
for the rest read the worldedit command reference |
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sfan5[Mac] |
tip: //sphere or similar helps |
| 15:13 |
vytautas |
Hi, attempt to use numeric keyboard on server adress field gives error |
| 15:13 |
sfan5[Mac] |
vytautas: you use linux, right? |
| 15:13 |
vytautas |
right |
| 15:13 |
dante123 |
i deleted map.sqlite, and then went into world.mt but there is no mapgen line, do I just create a new one |
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sfan5[Mac] |
I have this problem too (on my linux machine) |
| 15:13 |
sfan5[Mac] |
you simply can't |
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sfan5[Mac] |
dante123: I meant a "mg_name" line in map_meta.txt |
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dante123 |
is comment in world.mt # or ; |
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sfan5[Mac] |
# |
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dante123 |
mg_name = v6 is what is there now, change to mg_name = singlenode? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
yes |
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dante123 |
there is a whole bunk of lines after that starting with mgv6_ |
| 15:17 |
sfan5[Mac] |
ignore that |
| 15:17 |
dante123 |
delete those or ignore |
| 15:17 |
dante123 |
? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
just ignore them |
| 15:18 |
dante123 |
okay here goes |
| 15:18 |
chlue |
hm just to understand this. A mapchunk can only store 49 entities on disk and if there are more then I get this errors and they are erased? "Trying to store id=51 statically but block (4,0,-2) already contains 49 objects. Forcing delete." |
| 15:20 |
dante123 |
okay im in the world and its night....but i think there is only sky at this point |
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dante123 |
cant seem to do anything |
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sfan5[Mac] |
dante123: you can move but the world is completely empty |
| 15:22 |
sfan5[Mac] |
do //pos1 |
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sfan5[Mac] |
move around |
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sfan5[Mac] |
do //pos2 |
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sfan5[Mac] |
and //set stone |
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sfan5[Mac] |
chlue: yes |
| 15:22 |
Dan_D |
Is VanessaE there? This is NOT a plea for magic orbs |
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Dan_D |
If so, can you update castle again? Remove the magic orbs if you wish. The main update is a ropebox, a bit like the current one, that looks far better, and also better rope nodebox, AND textures |
| 15:24 |
dante123 |
do I have to grant myself worldedit? |
| 15:24 |
dante123 |
it doesnt recognize //pos1 commands |
| 15:25 |
Dan_D |
Do: /grant playername worldedit |
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dante123 |
did that and returned unkown priviledge |
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sfan5[Mac] |
dante123: did you enable worldedit in the configure menu? |
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sfan5[Mac] |
anyway, how big do you want the continents? |
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dante123 |
im an idiot.....will go back |
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dante123 |
failed to load and run then gives path to .minetests/mods/minetest/worldedit/init.lua |
| 15:29 |
dante123 |
this after i enabled worldedit in configure menu |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png |
| 15:30 |
Dan_D |
Thanks |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
not done with it yet, but that's the gist of it. |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
dante123: you need 0.4.7-dev |
| 15:31 |
dante123 |
okay, only have 0.4.7 |
| 15:31 |
dante123 |
regular |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: over here. |
| 15:31 |
sfan5 |
Dan_D: just downlod this build https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113227#p113227 |
| 15:31 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 15:32 |
Dan_D |
Why that buildin particular? |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
Dan_D: oops |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
ignore that |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
dante123: just downlod this build https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113227#p113227 |
| 15:33 |
Dan_D |
But why? |
| 15:33 |
Dan_D |
Also, what is the sudo apt-get command for that build?If none, I won't get it |
| 15:34 |
sfan5 |
Dan_D: why what? |
| 15:34 |
Dan_D |
And VanessaE, can you update castle? I have even just rebuilt my mine in preparation... |
| 15:34 |
VanessaE |
after you add those two options I asked for |
| 15:34 |
Dan_D |
sfan5: Why should I download that build, and not keep using the one I have, which was gotten day before yesterday? |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
Dan_D: THAT MESSAGE WAS NOT FOR YOU |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
<sfan5> ignore that |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
so hard to understand... geez |
| 15:35 |
Dan_D |
And VanessaE, you asked for one option, and I actually have no idea how to do it. |
| 15:35 |
Dan_D |
Why not just open init.lua, and remove the orbs code, at the bottom? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: disable the orb and rope blocks you have. just wrap your register_node() calls and any relates abms in something like if "enable_blah" then ...code... end |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
related* |
| 15:36 |
Shambles_1 |
Are any of the mods on http://minetest.net/mods redundant (e.g. MOB Framework and Simple Mobs?) or obsolete (e.g. Farming?)? Are there any others you would recommend to someone wanting more aggressive enemies, and Red Power 2, ComputerCraft, Industrycraft 2, and Buildcraft - like features? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
because manually editing your mods every time you send an update will become increasingly cumbersone |
| 15:36 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, I really want that ropebox. PLease!!!!!! |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
cumbersome* |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
no!! there's already a perfectly serviceable one on the server |
| 15:36 |
sfan5 |
Shambles_1: try technic and mesecons |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
I specifically made that second update for the ropebox, because the current server one makes some retarded blackrope stuff |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
blackope? |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
And I hate the current ropebox textures |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
blackrope? |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
Weird black rope |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
And my one looks likea pulley |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
And extends faster |
| 15:37 |
Dan_D |
And is so much more sexy |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
And is... is... oh, pleeeease? |
| 15:38 |
Shambles_1 |
sfan: Those are listed on the page I mentioned, and look good. They seem to be missing the turtles, but I found this mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6291 though I'm not sure it's the best one for that feature. |
| 15:38 |
dante123 |
im on linux |
| 15:38 |
dante123 |
sfan5 |
| 15:38 |
Dan_D |
Actually, don't update yet, I haven't added the recipe...ooops... |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
dante123: oh.. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 |
| 15:39 |
sfan5 |
Shambles_1: you are free to try any mod :P |
| 15:40 |
Shambles_1 |
sfan5: I was hoping for pointers from people that had already tried a lot of mods since I first ran Minetest yesterday. The features I mentioned are the main ones I miss from Minecraft. |
| 15:42 |
chlue |
Shambles_1 I propose you take a look at the online servers to see many mods in action to get an idea what you want. VannesaE's seem to be the best one for this because I guess she has installed every mod available and a dozen more |
| 15:42 |
Dan_D |
Ok VanessaE, I have at least made orbs have it'sown lua file, so delete that, and the dofile in init.lua. |
| 15:42 |
Shambles_1 |
chlue: How am I to know what mod provided what feature I'm looking for? |
| 15:42 |
Dan_D |
Other than that, I don't know how to do any more |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
do the same for the ropeblock thing |
| 15:43 |
Dan_D |
Man, I WANT THE ROPEBOX! |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 15:44 |
Dan_D |
I really want that, I rebuilt my mine entrance for it, I made it specially for the server goddamit! |
| 15:44 |
Dan_D |
And 1 node really makes such a huge difference to the server?? |
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chlue |
Shambles_1: thats the hard part, but you can get a list of the mods via the /mod command and can guess a lot from the item names. |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
And VanessaE, why did you close down the inchra #minetest channel? |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
And whatthe |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
*woops |
| 15:46 |
Dan_D |
Ignore that ^^ |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: in fact, yes it does - see shadow and nore's work on technic switching station. :) |
| 15:47 |
sfan5 |
Shambles_1: /mods not /mod |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
1 node now consumes 1/10 the CPU it did before :) |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
autocrafter got a similar update yesterday |
| 15:47 |
Dan_D |
Ah, but 1 node with low lag and simple functionality will make a huge difference? |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
besides, you could have at least asked me about your plan you know |
| 15:47 |
Dan_D |
If it consumes 1/10 that is even better |
| 15:47 |
Dan_D |
10 times faster |
| 15:48 |
* Dan_D |
asks you about his plan |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
*before* you coded it you dork |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 15:48 |
Dan_D |
Well, what about now? *imagine that coding hasn't been done yet* |
| 15:49 |
* VanessaE |
wanders off to finish texturing. |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
What is really the problem with it?My netbook copes with it absolutely fine. |
| 15:49 |
Dan_D |
Why did you clode down the Inchra channel? |
| 15:50 |
Dan_D |
*cose |
| 15:50 |
Shambles_1 |
Alright. I was hoping for more advice than "try all the mods yourself". It looks like this is the information for VanessaE's server is at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7017 I don't seem to need any registration, but I'm not sure. I usually/prefer-to play offline or with friends-only. |
| 15:50 |
Dan_D |
*close |
| 15:50 |
Dan_D |
To play just join with any username and password, using a very up-to-date Minetest build |
| 15:51 |
Shambles_1 |
Is 'very up to date' the stable download on the Minetest website? |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
Shambles_1: simply sign onto the server with a username and password of your choice, give me time to get around to giving you interact :) and start playing |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
as it says there, stable will not work |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
dan, the channel isn't closed? |
| 15:52 |
Dan_D |
Ok... |
| 15:52 |
Dan_D |
When I join, I am the only person on it,aside from chanserv |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
you're on the wrong channel then |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
irc.inchra.net #minetest |
| 15:53 |
Dan_D |
#minetest on irc.inchra.net |
| 15:53 |
Dan_D |
It worked a couple of minutes ago |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
I'm there along with a dozen others |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
including four active server bots |
| 15:54 |
Dan_D |
Weird |
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Dan_D |
Anyway, what is wrong with adding a simple ropebox? You didn't have any qualms about tapestries or anything. |
| 15:55 |
Shambles_1 |
VanessaE: I'm looking at the list of Windows 32-bit builds. I'm not sure what the difference is between them since they don't seem to have any added features. They're just basically 'nightly' builds. |
| 15:55 |
Dan_D |
They have many more features |
| 15:55 |
Dan_D |
EG Drowning |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
Shambles_1: any of the nightly builds will do |
| 15:57 |
rubenwardy |
Hi all |
| 15:57 |
Dan_D |
Nope, still can't connect to the server channels... |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
as long as it's newer than July 22. |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
hi rubenwardy |
| 15:58 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, what is the actual problem with ropebox? |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: the fact that we already have one (provided by the vines mod) |
| 15:58 |
Dan_D |
But that is ugly |
| 15:59 |
Dan_D |
And I thought it came from a ropes mod? |
| 15:59 |
VanessaE |
so offer up new textures for it? |
| 15:59 |
Dan_D |
Mine has a customnodebox remeber |
| 16:01 |
* VanessaE |
looks at her completed minegeld textures... |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
1 mg in green, 5 (light blue), 10 (brick red) |
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Shambles_1 |
VanessaE: Is the mod list on your forum post up to date? |
| 16:02 |
VanessaE |
mostly so, yes |
| 16:02 |
Shambles_1 |
VanessaE: Thanks. |
| 16:03 |
zsoltisawesome |
XD the fox says woof woof |
| 16:07 |
Dan_D |
Please VanessaE? |
| 16:07 |
Dan_D |
I SOOOOOOOOOO want that new ropebox. |
| 16:07 |
Dan_D |
Think of it as a pulley.For decoration.With built-in rope unravelling |
| 16:08 |
VanessaE |
dan, the minegeld textures are ready. |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
ok I'll bring in the rope block |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
but this is the last new thing I am bringing in without prior discussion |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png (and minegeld_5.png and minegeld_10.png) |
| 16:12 |
sfan5 |
>.< |
| 16:12 |
Dan_D |
Ok Vanessae |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
merge those into the currency mod and I'll pull that and update the server. |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
*waits* |
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dante123 |
okay sfan5 |
| 16:20 |
dante123 |
im in the world and i did the //pos1 //pos2 //set stone |
| 16:20 |
dante123 |
saw something but i keel falling and lost sight of it |
| 16:20 |
chlue |
give yourself fly privilege and go back up |
| 16:21 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, I still can't connect to inchra channel. |
| 16:21 |
dante123 |
k for fly? |
| 16:21 |
Dan_D |
Yes |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
dan, forget it for now, read above. |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
merge in those textures please |
| 16:22 |
Dan_D |
Ok. How do I find them? |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
so I can update the server |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
[10-05 12:16] <VanessaE> meanwhile, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png (and minegeld_5.png and minegeld_10.png) |
| 16:22 |
Dan_D |
Ah |
| 16:22 |
Dan_D |
They look cool |
| 16:22 |
Dan_D |
Won't be long |
| 16:22 |
dante123 |
doesnt seem to work |
| 16:23 |
dante123 |
I did /grant Name fly and it shows up....but I cant seem to fly up even after hitting K |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
dante123: /grant singleplayer all and /teleport 0,0,0 |
| 16:23 |
khonkhortisan |
Dan_D, I just joined it. There's 14 people on. |
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Dan_D |
Weird |
| 16:25 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, I have added the new textures |
| 16:26 |
Dan_D |
It is irc.inchra.net,channel #minetest? |
| 16:26 |
Dan_D |
Ah, it worked that time |
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zat |
Someone knows how can I eval Lua on the server, sent from my game? |
| 16:33 |
zat |
like /eval asadsdsadsaadsads |
| 16:33 |
zat |
or maybe /servereval saddsadasdsa |
| 16:33 |
us`0gb |
Pass it to os.execute(), maybe? |
| 16:34 |
PilzAdam |
"eval" isnt a word |
| 16:35 |
us`0gb |
Sorry, my solution won't work. I misread the question. |
| 16:35 |
us`0gb |
You might need to build a Lua parser - in Lua. |
| 16:35 |
zat |
PilzAdam: a word? |
| 16:37 |
dante123 |
I'm still having difficulties. I think this is over my head. If anyone wanted to make a map with the seven continents (basically flat) and oceans in between then the students could then build on top of them. It would be a great way to use/promote minetest in the classroom. |
| 16:37 |
dante123 |
I would assign each group to a continent and then they would build it up from the flat land |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
zat: use a mesecons command block or worldedit. |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
both of those have the ability to execute lua instructions to some degree |
| 16:38 |
dante123 |
I'm getting all confused with worldedit |
| 16:38 |
zat |
interesting... VanessaE, I was thinking of worldedit. |
| 16:38 |
zat |
dante123: worldedit is super simple, what is your problem with it? |
| 16:39 |
nore |
doing loadstring(...)() would work, wouldn't it? |
| 16:39 |
dante123 |
"I keep falling and I can't get up" ;-) |
| 16:39 |
zat |
dante123: sounds like a dream. |
| 16:39 |
dante123 |
I do the //pos1 then move then pos2 then set stone and I fall.....cant get back to what I just set |
| 16:40 |
dante123 |
I think the problem is that I need to clear out all my stuff and start fresh.......will likely move to my other computer that has nothing on it and start there. |
| 16:40 |
dante123 |
also need to have the dev version..... |
| 16:40 |
zat |
should not happen... though I dont really undertand what you mean with falling. |
| 16:41 |
dante123 |
I mean like I see a line of cubes (the rest of the world is all sky, no land) and I'm falling and its getting father away and i try to fly back up to it and cant |
| 16:42 |
chlue |
dante123: maybee for your initial tests start with a normal world so you have ground under your feets then you can solve your fly privilege part and learn basic worldedits commands there first. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: us_0gb laptop-0gb-us.0gb.us commited to minetest/minetest: Remove mapgen_air alias (#935) afb27329fc 2013-10-05T09:42:31-07:00 http://git.io/rdjIww |
| 16:44 |
us`0gb |
How does GitHub know my laptop's name? |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
where? |
| 16:44 |
us`0gb |
GIT: us_0gblaptop-0gb-us.0gb.us commited |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
that's your hostname |
| 16:45 |
us`0gb |
Hmm. It even got the full name. Most thinks cut off everything after and including the first dot. |
| 16:46 |
chlue |
domain name ending in us and you wonder that your pc does not know everything about you? |
| 16:46 |
us`0gb |
*things |
| 16:46 |
us`0gb |
Yeah, the lack of whois privacy in the .us TLD is sad. |
| 16:47 |
us`0gb |
But that doesn't explain how it got the name to start with. |
| 16:47 |
us`0gb |
I guess my machine sent it with the commit though. |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
blame ICANN |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
also, subdomains ftw |
| 16:47 |
zat |
us`0gb: is it your laptop hostname? |
| 16:48 |
us`0gb |
If it had my real name, the .us TLD would be to blame. But that's not what it has, so the .us TLD-specific issues are not relevant. |
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us`0gb |
zat, yes it is. |
| 16:48 |
us`0gb |
Calinou, I subdomain all my machines. I don't like remembering their IP addresses. |
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us`0gb |
I think I might be on 10.0.0.200 right now, but I'm not even sure. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest_game: Remove mapgen_air alias cf6f458906 2013-10-05T09:50:33-07:00 http://git.io/3gnRcg |
| 16:54 |
zat |
us`0gb: well, git always use your hostname unless specified otherwise in your config. |
| 16:54 |
zat |
afaik, iirc, wtf, rofl |
| 16:55 |
us`0gb |
I see. I might need to change that then. Not to hide, but to shorten it. "-0gb-us.0gb.us" is sort of redundant. |
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zat |
why dont you wall yourself 0gangbang instead :D |
| 16:55 |
us`0gb |
And no one needs to know I'm on my laptop. |
| 16:55 |
zat |
lol eh... |
| 16:56 |
us`0gb |
Wall myself? What? |
| 16:56 |
zat |
call* |
| 16:56 |
zat |
call! |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
call inou |
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us`0gb |
I give up. I wanted to set this up without help, but I don;t seem to be able to. How do I capture the output of grep in a variable in sh? |
| 16:58 |
us`0gb |
If possible, capturing a subpattern within the match would be even better. |
| 17:00 |
us`0gb |
Never mind. Figured the first one out. |
| 17:01 |
us`0gb |
If someone knows how to do the second though, that would be awesome. |
| 17:02 |
zat |
inou |
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kahrl |
I think you have to use sed / awk / perl for the second one |
| 17:02 |
zat |
grep can capture subpatterns too |
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| 17:03 |
zat |
var=$(whatever | grep -oE "regexp") |
| 17:03 |
zat |
I think |
| 17:04 |
zat |
$ lol=$(echo "aeiou" | grep -oE "ae") |
| 17:04 |
zat |
$ echo $lol; // ae |
| 17:04 |
zat |
yes it does |
| 17:05 |
kahrl |
well that captures the whole pattern but not a subpattern |
| 17:05 |
zat |
wait wat do you mean by subpattern |
| 17:05 |
zat |
the o switch makes it print only the matched regexp, or need something else? |
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us`0gb |
I need to find "example_key = <value>" and capture <value>. |
| 17:06 |
kahrl |
something like ([0-9]{4})-([0-9]{2})-([0-9]{2}) has three subpatterns |
| 17:06 |
kahrl |
(this is not supported by grep) |
| 17:06 |
zat |
I think that sed would suit better there |
| 17:06 |
us`0gb |
Okay. In sed, after finding the substring, how do I conditionally replace it based on its current value? I was hoping to put the conditional statement before reaching sed, but if it can be done in sed, that's just as well. |
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zat |
what about: |
| 17:07 |
zat |
echo "sadads value=roflol adsdssad" | grep -oE "value=[a-z]+" | sed "s|.*=||g" |
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zat |
us`0gb: give me an example of that condition plz |
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us`0gb |
zat, how do I make that work with spaces? Your example uses "<key>=<value>" but the file has "<key> = <value>". |
| 17:13 |
zat |
now give me a real example of the string to try against it |
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us`0gb |
Example: "example_key = <value>" is in a file, and I need to find and conditionally replace <value>. |
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chlue |
Do I get this correct, the server tries to internally run at 30 'fps'? |
| 17:13 |
zat |
replace it with what? |
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us`0gb |
"<value>" is as good a string as any. |
| 17:13 |
zat |
oks |
| 17:14 |
us`0gb |
It depends on the value. Okay, hold on .... |
| 17:15 |
us`0gb |
Let's go with week days. If example_key == "Monday" set example_key = "Tuesday", for each day. |
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zat |
us`0gb: can example_key be different ir you expect it to be the same for all ocurrences? |
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us`0gb |
It will always be the same. |
| 17:18 |
zat |
the == is correct for the same one? |
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us`0gb |
Sorry, I mixed languages there ... my bad. It will always be " = ", including spaces. |
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zat |
us`0gb: does this work? |
| 17:22 |
zat |
sed "s|\(example_key *= *.\)Monday\(.\)|\1Tuesday\2|gi" <filetochange> |
| 17:22 |
zat |
Should not modify the file unless you add an -i flag just after sed, but BE CAREFUL and be really sure before doing it. |
| 17:23 |
us`0gb |
Okay, thanks! |
| 17:23 |
zat |
did it work us`0gb' |
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us`0gb |
If run for each day though, won't it set it to the last day? |
| 17:23 |
zat |
what do you mean? |
| 17:24 |
zat |
that it will always be Tuesday? |
| 17:24 |
us`0gb |
For example, if Monday, set to Tuesday, then if Tuesday, set to Wednesday, et cetera, so the end result is always Sunday. |
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us`0gb |
Because sed is called seven times, one for each condition. |
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| 17:27 |
zat |
You want to actually add one day to each occurrence? |
| 17:27 |
us`0gb |
Correct. |
| 17:28 |
us`0gb |
SO I don't know the current day, but I want to increment it. |
| 17:28 |
us`0gb |
*So |
| 17:28 |
zat |
current... if it is the current day, you somehow pass it to sed I guess |
| 17:29 |
us`0gb |
Current according to the file, not according to the calendar. |
| 17:29 |
zat |
how many different days can the single file hold at the same time? |
| 17:29 |
zsoltisawesome |
sleep $((60*60*60*24)) |
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zsoltisawesome |
:p |
| 17:30 |
us`0gb |
One, because there is only one example_key. |
| 17:30 |
zat |
you can make a script that takes the current day and replaces accordingly |
| 17:31 |
us`0gb |
zat, that's what I'm trying to do. |
| 17:31 |
zat |
so far I have seen you just want to change mondays to tuesdays :) |
| 17:31 |
zsoltisawesome |
Like if its Friday then it should be saterday? |
| 17:31 |
us`0gb |
Okay, I didn't explain myself well enough then. My apologies. |
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us`0gb |
zsoltisawesome, yes. |
| 17:32 |
zsoltisawesome |
Can't you do that with a billion if...then's? |
| 17:32 |
zat |
us`0gb: hold on I can make the script |
| 17:33 |
us`0gb |
zsoltisawesome, if I could get the value from grep as I was trying to do, then yes. |
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us`0gb |
But if I have to do it after reaching sed, I'm already at the replacement stage. |
| 17:33 |
zsoltisawesome |
Ah ol |
| 17:35 |
zsoltisawesome |
As a sidenote: how to make all the water in the world turn to a different block with a chat command? |
| 17:36 |
us`0gb |
The whole world isn't loaded, so that can't be done. |
| 17:36 |
zsoltisawesome |
Well all of it that is :P |
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us`0gb |
Okay, I'll look up the stuff. Hold on. |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:38 |
zsoltisawesome |
*brohoof* |
| 17:41 |
zat |
us`0gb: still not found how to do it? |
| 17:41 |
zat |
I can give you the script |
| 17:41 |
us`0gb |
I can't seem to do it before reaching sed, and after seems to cause problems. |
| 17:41 |
us`0gb |
Thanks! |
| 17:42 |
zat |
days have to be case sensitive or first char capitalized? |
| 17:43 |
us`0gb |
assume whichever is easier. The file will always use the same case, so case sensitive works, but so does insensitive. |
| 17:43 |
us`0gb |
*Assume |
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zsoltisawesome |
The fox says woof woof |
| 17:46 |
* john_minetest |
brohoofes back |
| 17:53 |
* VanessaE |
grumbles at her mouse's dying middle button... |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
I did NOT feel like tearing this thing apart to fix it, damn it |
| 17:56 |
Hunterz |
hmm, water bugs cause fps drops |
| 17:58 |
zat |
us`0gb: are they always quoted? |
| 17:58 |
us`0gb |
They are never quoted. |
| 17:59 |
zat |
good |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
there, grabbed the spare mouse. exact same make and model, and somehow it's in better shape than the regular one. maybe I mixed the two up at some point recently. |
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VanessaE |
*tosses bad one in spares box* |
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| 18:09 |
zat |
us`0gb: http://pastebin.com/qF9q7yuh |
| 18:09 |
zat |
Bash... oh god... it is so damn ugly coding in bash, it gave me cancer. |
| 18:09 |
Exio4 |
bash is cute |
| 18:09 |
us`0gb |
I'm sorry .... |
| 18:09 |
zat |
you run that script by giving the file to alter as an argument |
| 18:10 |
zat |
script.sh filetoalter |
| 18:12 |
Miner_48er |
VanessaE where did the irc move to? |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
horus.inchra.net #minetet |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
horus.inchra.net #minetest ** |
| 18:12 |
zat |
us`0gb: better.... bash script.sh filetoalter, unless you add #!/bin/bash in the first line and +x permission to the script. |
| 18:24 |
us`0gb |
zat, What is the @ in "for str in "${days[@]}"; do" |
| 18:27 |
Exio4 |
the fuck |
| 18:27 |
zat |
first of all us`0gb, replace the second line |
| 18:27 |
zat |
to: old=$(grep -iE "example_pattern\ *=" $@ | sed "s|$pattern|\2|gi") |
| 18:27 |
Exio4 |
that isn't bash |
| 18:28 |
zat |
us`0gb: @ must be an operator to step one by one the indexes |
| 18:29 |
us`0gb |
Okay. Thanks! |
| 18:29 |
Exio4 |
it shows the values, not the indexes |
| 18:29 |
zat |
like a next() in PHP or like saying for x in arr in Javascript. |
| 18:29 |
Exio4 |
for the index you use # |
| 18:29 |
zat |
so it returns the current value and steps one the index |
| 18:29 |
zat |
get it us`0gb? |
| 18:29 |
Exio4 |
a=(a b c), ${a[@]} => a b c, ${#a[@]} => 0 1 2 |
| 18:30 |
Exio4 |
and it doesn't do that either, it isn't an iterator, it returns all the values |
| 18:30 |
us`0gb |
YEah, I think so. |
| 18:30 |
zat |
Thanks Exio4 |
| 18:30 |
Exio4 |
zat, bash es un lenguaje de scripting "nomas" |
| 18:30 |
zat |
Bash is kind of un-understandable |
| 18:31 |
Exio4 |
no, it is a scripting language, not the one where you code a graphical engine |
| 18:31 |
zat |
I have read somewhere examples like for str in value1 value2 value3 |
| 18:31 |
zat |
so itmust be that |
| 18:31 |
zat |
or (value1 value2 ...) |
| 18:31 |
Exio4 |
for a in (a b c) doesn't work |
| 18:31 |
zat |
yes Exio4 I got it |
| 18:32 |
zat |
must be that way so it is easier to parse arguments $@ |
| 18:32 |
Exio4 |
en bash usas comillas en todos lados bt, te las olvidaste en :17 |
| 18:33 |
zat |
well, it worked |
| 18:33 |
Exio4 |
inb4 code exploit |
| 18:34 |
Exio4 |
y usas [[ ]] si es bash, [ ] es test/sh-compatible |
| 18:34 |
Exio4 |
y podes usar ==, y en el $i too |
| 18:34 |
zat |
We both speak Spanish but I don’t think other can understand |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
<VanessaE> horus.inchra.net #minetest <= what's that? :o |
| 18:34 |
VanessaE |
shadowninja's irc server |
| 18:34 |
zat |
and you know... English speakers for some reason do not like people speaking foreign languages... |
| 18:35 |
VanessaE |
we use it for networking minetest servers' chats together |
| 18:35 |
Exio4 |
fuck |
| 18:35 |
Exio4 |
didn't realize i was switching to spanish that fast |
| 18:35 |
sfan5 |
lol |
| 18:41 |
Naked |
video card driver update time |
| 18:43 |
pitriss |
please can anybody tell me how i can download older technic version from git? I mean that version with more expensive recipes.. latest version is so not challenging |
| 18:47 |
thexyz |
pitriss: well if you don't have any experience with git the easiest way would be to browse this page https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/commits/master then click "browse code" on some commit, then "Download ZIP" |
| 18:49 |
pitriss |
thexyz: okay.. I will try to find correct commit.. |
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NekoGloop |
So why are recipe handlers hardcoded |
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sfan5 |
NekoGloop: because you are a kitten |
| 19:00 |
NekoGloop |
... damn. |
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zat |
Is there a way to paste text from the clipboard into minetest ingame console? |
| 19:38 |
chlue |
VanessaE: Do you have a map available where a laser beam from technic is stuck? |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
nope |
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Exio4 |
zat: if irrlicht's copy-paste worked under linux... |
| 19:43 |
zat |
Exio4: so is there a way or not? |
| 19:43 |
chlue |
I wonder if they dissapear with a small tweak to the code, but I have no broken one available. |
| 19:43 |
us`0gb |
zat, if you use KDE, you can paste into Minetest. |
| 19:44 |
PilzAdam |
but you need to select the paste in klipper first and hit Ctrl+V twice |
| 19:44 |
us`0gb |
(I don't use KDE either.) |
| 19:44 |
PilzAdam |
its not really handy |
| 19:44 |
zat |
uh ye |
| 20:03 |
Shambles_1 |
VanessaE: Thanks for making Pipeworks. |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
you're welcome :) |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
I had\ a lot of help |
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thegamilyfrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 20:36 |
us`0gb |
Hello! |
| 20:37 |
thexyz |
http://appmaker.mozillalabs.com/ anyone? |
| 20:42 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
anyone here experts at player:set_properties? |
| 20:42 |
zat |
anyone using such a thing hardly can be considered a developer... |
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sfan5 |
thexyz: seems interesting |
| 20:46 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
can someone explain to me how to set the y value of a player's "centre" (i.e. line of sight)? |
| 20:47 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
and have it persist |
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zat |
that kind of tools (appmaker on mozillalabs) are the ones responsible of making think amateur designers they can develop too. |
| 20:56 |
zat |
or think that developers just drag and drop visual tools and hit on a button to make an “app†(because they also call everything an app) |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
hrm |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
I always thought that kind of tools is for teaching kids |
| 21:00 |
zat |
the result is not much different though |
| 21:02 |
thexyz |
teaching kids to code is an important thing though |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
BAHAH! "Only you can prevent forest fires. No, seriously. I've been furloughed." [image of a burnt-down forest with Smokey The Bear in front of it) |
| 21:09 |
us`0gb |
Only you can prevent forest fire prevention. |
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* us`0gb |
gets out his can of kerosene and a lighter |
| 21:11 |
VanessaE |
hehehe |
| 21:11 |
VanessaE |
us`0gb: your OCD is getting better. you didn't correct my misused parenthesis/bracket ;) |
| 21:12 |
us`0gb |
I didn't notice. Lough last time, I didn't really care, I was just trying to have fun. |
| 21:12 |
us`0gb |
*Though |
| 21:13 |
VanessaE |
hehe |
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thexyz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4QVaLmMd8g |
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UniversalBuilder |
Hello? |
| 21:40 |
us`0gb |
Hello! |
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Nocte |
Hmm... I think Minecraft requires some creepy music for the night time or when underground. |
| 21:52 |
Nocte |
Minetest* |
| 21:53 |
UniversalBuilder |
where do i place the no drowning mod in the minetest folder?> |
| 21:56 |
chlue |
hm I tried to spead the abm calculation over 1 second instead of one big block every second. Not sure it it really helps. At least minecarts still get stuck :-( |
| 21:57 |
chlue |
Nocte There is a mod that adds music |
| 21:57 |
chlue |
Nocte: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2807 |
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Nocte |
Too bad you can't preview those sounds. |
| 22:01 |
UniversalBuilder |
where do i place the no drowning mod in the minetest folder? |
| 22:02 |
Nocte |
Does this game have Diamonds btw? :p |
| 22:02 |
UniversalBuilder |
YES |
| 22:03 |
UniversalBuilder |
It does |
| 22:03 |
Nocte |
And you just place the mod where all the other mods are. :| |
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| 22:07 |
UniversalBuilder |
but where> |
| 22:07 |
UniversalBuilder |
I looked in the mod folder and i see no mods |
| 22:07 |
Nocte |
Hmmm. |
| 22:07 |
Nocte |
Hang on... Going to get the folder. |
| 22:07 |
UniversalBuilder |
The problem is that the version of minetest has drwoning on |
| 22:08 |
UniversalBuilder |
and the drowning mod is like not built in |
| 22:08 |
UniversalBuilder |
:-( |
| 22:08 |
UniversalBuilder |
*no drowning |
| 22:08 |
Nocte |
Minetest > Games > Minetest_Game. |
| 22:08 |
Nocte |
> Mods. |
| 22:09 |
Nocte |
If you are on Windows that is. |
| 22:09 |
UniversalBuilder |
i went to the mods folder and their is nothing there |
| 22:10 |
Nocte |
Hmm. That's weird. |
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Nocte |
PilzAdam, could you help UniversalBuilder a bit? |
| 22:11 |
Nocte |
He's trying to install a mod. |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, have you read http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods ? |
| 22:13 |
UniversalBuilder |
ohhh |
| 22:13 |
Nocte |
There appears to be no mods in the usual mod folder. |
| 22:13 |
UniversalBuilder |
I think i got ti |
| 22:13 |
UniversalBuilder |
So my problem is that |
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| 22:13 |
UniversalBuilder |
no |
| 22:13 |
UniversalBuilder |
actually |
| 22:13 |
Nocte |
Lol. 7 |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
of course the mod folder is empty if you have no mods installed |
| 22:14 |
Nocte |
Mese crystals* :| |
| 22:14 |
UniversalBuilder |
my question is that i have a git minetest build version that enables drwoning for all servers |
| 22:15 |
UniversalBuilder |
where would i place the no drowning mod so that whenever i go to anyone elses server, i wont be able to drow? |
| 22:15 |
PilzAdam |
the drowning is server-side; the 0.4.7 stable client is just not able to handle it |
| 22:15 |
PilzAdam |
you cant modify that in the client |
| 22:16 |
UniversalBuilder |
so what should i do? |
| 22:16 |
PilzAdam |
drown |
| 22:16 |
UniversalBuilder |
:-( |
| 22:16 |
Nocte |
Mese crystals... So awesome as pickaxes! :D |
| 22:16 |
UniversalBuilder |
like could you explain what should i do? |
| 22:17 |
PilzAdam |
if servers want you to drown then you have to drown |
| 22:18 |
Nocte |
Heh, PilzAdam. |
| 22:18 |
PilzAdam |
using the 0.4.7 stable client on new servers is actually like cheating, because you cant drown |
| 22:18 |
chlue |
then release 0.4.8 *ducks and runs away* |
| 22:19 |
us`0gb |
No, don't release it just yet. |
| 22:19 |
PilzAdam |
chlue, 0.4.7 clients could still connect to 0.4.8 then, that doesnt help |
| 22:19 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
Hey PilzAdam: I'm playing around with player size in a mod, but when I make the player smaller by adjusting visual_size and collisionbox values, they "hang" in the air even if I change the setpos for them. Do you know which setting I'm missing here? |
| 22:19 |
UniversalBuilder |
well the 0.4.7 doesnt work :-( |
| 22:19 |
PilzAdam |
what you need is set strict_protocol_version_check (or so) in minetest.conf on the server |
| 22:19 |
us`0gb |
I thought 0.4.7 clients were not able to onnect to the dev servers right now. |
| 22:19 |
UniversalBuilder |
and how should i do that? |
| 22:20 |
chlue |
afaik they can connect but may crash depending on the used addons |
| 22:20 |
us`0gb |
I know I can't connect to VanessaE's place with my stable client. |
| 22:20 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, there is drowning on the server, you have to live with that |
| 22:20 |
PilzAdam |
if you disable drowning then you cheat |
| 22:20 |
Nocte |
63 Iron Lumps... Oh wow... I'm getting lucky. |
| 22:21 |
UniversalBuilder |
my reason is that i want to build an underwater house |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
us`0gb: only if the dev server uses more than 4094 nodes/items. |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
otherwise it should work. |
| 22:22 |
UniversalBuilder |
oh and btw everyone else in the landrush server has no drwoning on. yesterday, I had no drowning on also because i installed the latest version |
| 22:22 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, play on other servers then |
| 22:22 |
UniversalBuilder |
but it doesnt work for me anymore |
| 22:22 |
us`0gb |
Ah, got it. So that brings up a couple more questions, VanessaE. The dev version can handle more nodes? Also, items count toward the node limit? |
| 22:22 |
us`0gb |
And are entities counted as well? |
| 22:23 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, if other people dont drown then they are cheaters |
| 22:23 |
UniversalBuilder |
so you are saying that everyone in the server is a cheater? |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
us`0gb: I'm not sure if craftitems count toward it, but you adjust the limit by tweaking a variable in mapnode.h |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
entities, no |
| 22:24 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, everyone who uses a 0.4.7 stable client and doesnt drown, yes |
| 22:24 |
us`0gb |
Ah, so that server-side tweak can be passed to lients now without the clients being tweaked? That's awesome! |
| 22:24 |
chlue |
PilzAdam: I tried to spread the abm handling over 1s instead of calling it as a block. seems to work, but I am not sure if there are really gains given that my local load is quiet low or limited to few blocks. Was this just never tried in a sane way in the core or is that expected to not help much? |
| 22:24 |
UniversalBuilder |
consider myself a cheater :p |
| 22:24 |
PilzAdam |
chlue, dunno |
| 22:24 |
UniversalBuilder |
So the only thing to prevent me from drowning is the o.4.7 stable client, right? |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
chlue: try it with plantlife modpack and turn some of the mods' settings up to some insane levels |
| 22:25 |
us`0gb |
I don't consider people using the latest stable version to be cheaters. It's the server owner's issue if they want to use the cutting-edge unstable build. THat's their right to do so, but they can't brand the latest stable people as cheaters. |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
that should help you stress-test your code |
| 22:25 |
PilzAdam |
UniversalBuilder, you could aswell just hack into the dev client |
| 22:25 |
PilzAdam |
the result is the same |
| 22:26 |
UniversalBuilder |
so how do i change it then? |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
us`0gb: no, it's not that it can be passed along - rather you need a dev client if the number of nodes > 4094, because it's already been fixed client-side. |
| 22:26 |
UniversalBuilder |
im not good with lua |
| 22:27 |
PilzAdam |
youd have to modify the core source, not Lua |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
server-side still presents the limit, but it's more like giving your customer a huge drinking glass but not filling it up all the way because the fountain won't let you. |
| 22:27 |
us`0gb |
People using the unstable version are essentially beta testers. This is an important role, but those who don't fill it aren't cheaters for not filling that role. |
| 22:27 |
PilzAdam |
but I dont tell people how to hack |
| 22:27 |
PilzAdam |
(hack as in cheating) |
| 22:27 |
UniversalBuilder |
Lol |
| 22:27 |
UniversalBuilder |
Thanks for helping me though |
| 22:27 |
us`0gb |
Fixed client-side. Okay, gotcha'. |
| 22:27 |
UniversalBuilder |
I appreciate it |
| 22:28 |
UniversalBuilder |
so can anyone else tell me how to get to the core and change the files so that i cant drown? |
| 22:28 |
PilzAdam |
<us`0gb> People using the unstable version are essentially beta testers. This is an important role, but those who don't fill it aren't cheaters for not filling that role. <- no, but people who connect with a stable client to a dev server and exploit the differences are cheaters |
| 22:29 |
us`0gb |
PilzAdam, how do you connect to the server without exploiting the difference in drowning? It is not possible. |
| 22:29 |
us`0gb |
THerefor, that's not cheating. It cannot be avoided. |
| 22:29 |
PilzAdam |
if you dont dive then you dont take advantage of that |
| 22:30 |
Nocte |
Woot: Found a diamond! |
| 22:30 |
us`0gb |
You can't say it's cheating to dig trees without axes and give no way to get an axe without digging a tree first. |
| 22:30 |
PilzAdam |
what? |
| 22:30 |
us`0gb |
Treating the water like "hot lava" like a little kid is no solution. |
| 22:31 |
PilzAdam |
people could just use dev clients to connect to dev servers |
| 22:31 |
us`0gb |
Not everyone wants to be a beta tester. That's no solution. |
| 22:31 |
Nocte |
So, what language is Minetest coded in? |
| 22:31 |
us`0gb |
C++ and Lua. |
| 22:31 |
PilzAdam |
us`0gb, if they dont want to be beta testers why do they play on dev servers? |
| 22:32 |
us`0gb |
You can't tell from the server list which servers are unstable, PilzAdam. |
| 22:32 |
us`0gb |
(The in-game server list.) |
| 22:32 |
PilzAdam |
you can see that in the forum topic |
| 22:32 |
us`0gb |
Not everyone is checks those, and no one can from the client. |
| 22:33 |
us`0gb |
I'm not even sure all servers have a topic. |
| 22:33 |
us`0gb |
I don;t think ShadowNinja's does. |
| 22:33 |
PilzAdam |
the full version is printed at http://minetest.net/servers |
| 22:33 |
Nocte |
Whoa 135 Iron lumps now, 9 Mesa crystals and 2 Diamonds so far. :D |
| 22:34 |
us`0gb |
PilzAdam, some people use the in-game server list, not the in-browser one. |
| 22:34 |
PilzAdam |
we should add a flag to it then |
| 22:35 |
us`0gb |
If you add a flag to them, then MAYBE you'd have a case calling these people cheaters. |
| 22:36 |
PilzAdam |
hm? I dont see how lack of information makes people non-cheaters if the exploit such things |
| 22:36 |
UniversalBuilder |
whats the benifit of putting drowning on? |
| 22:36 |
Nocte |
What sort of stuff can I make from diamonds? |
| 22:36 |
us`0gb |
If they don't know that they are exploiting it. |
| 22:36 |
PilzAdam |
people can cheat even if they dont know it |
| 22:37 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
Sounds like my last date. |
| 22:37 |
us`0gb |
If I go to a server and not drown, I don't realize everyone else IS drowning. |
| 22:37 |
us`0gb |
I disagree. Cheating is willful. |
| 22:37 |
us`0gb |
You can't "accidentally cheat". |
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dafull97 |
whoo, that was work... juyst got done giving girlfriend anal >:) |
| 22:38 |
PilzAdam |
"Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier." |
| 22:38 |
PilzAdam |
no mention on doing on purpose |
| 22:39 |
dafull97 |
whay i said? |
| 22:39 |
dafull97 |
what* |
| 22:39 |
PilzAdam |
(that is from wikipedia, btw) |
| 22:39 |
us`0gb |
Accidental glitches does not seem like cheating to me. I'll back down though. |
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| 22:40 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
Any thoughts on my earlier question, PilzAdam? |
| 22:40 |
Nocte |
Could anyone take up the challenge and create the 'Pokémon Tower' in Minetest? |
| 22:40 |
us`0gb |
Wait ...non-standard can include unusual-but-legitimate strategy, PilzAdam. Posibly strategy that was intended by the developer, but not many players find. |
| 22:41 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 22:41 |
PilzAdam |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games |
| 22:42 |
us`0gb |
So going after the in-game super-weapon that exists for the sole purpose of defeating the big bad would be cheating if most users don't find the weapon in time. |
| 22:42 |
PilzAdam |
thegamilyfrog66, youd have to modify the selectionbox |
| 22:42 |
PilzAdam |
but thats not possible for players currently, IIRC |
| 22:43 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
ahh, shitty |
| 22:43 |
PilzAdam |
us`0gb, no, because the super-weapon is known by all players and announced properly |
| 22:43 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
not sure what the is point of being able to change settings for visual size and collisionbox then... |
| 22:43 |
PilzAdam |
what the second sentence means is e.g. cheat codes |
| 22:44 |
PilzAdam |
thegamilyfrog66, they are mainly used for Lua entities |
| 22:44 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
I can be tiny dude, but can't touch the ground; alternatively, giant dude, stuck in ground |
| 22:44 |
us`0gb |
PilzAdam, I'm talking about a secret super-weapon, but even if it wasn't secret, if going after is is non-standard, it's still non-standard. |
| 22:44 |
PilzAdam |
the player has the same object settings, but you cant override all of them |
| 22:44 |
chlue |
VanessaE: found the right command - increase the active block range from 2 to 20. That should get every system down :-) |
| 22:44 |
us`0gb |
*it is |
| 22:44 |
PilzAdam |
its a bit messy |
| 22:44 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
drag |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
chlue: lol |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
chlue: does it work in practice? :) |
| 22:45 |
PilzAdam |
us`0gb, depends how you define "standard" |
| 22:45 |
thegamilyfrog66 |
I guess I can mess with simple mobs so that they shrink/grow when clicked on, that sorta thing |
| 22:45 |
PilzAdam |
us`0gb, the secret weapong can be found by all players by using the normal gameplay / game controls |
| 22:46 |
PilzAdam |
while cheat-codes are "random" pressing of keys, which is not part of the normal gameplay |
| 22:46 |
us`0gb |
PilzAdam, using the stable client's gameplay and controls .... therefor not cheating. |
| 22:46 |
us`0gb |
*normal gameplay and controls |
| 22:47 |
PilzAdam |
thats a different thing |
| 22:47 |
PilzAdam |
its "standard" that the client and server have the same version |
| 22:47 |
PilzAdam |
everything else is not standard |
| 22:48 |
Nocte |
Haha, more than 200 Steel Ignots. :D |
| 22:49 |
us`0gb |
If the client is using an outdated version, I agree. BUt if the client is using the latest stable version, the server's difference is essentially a modification to the standard. You can't blame the client when the client follows the current standard and the server is the one that is non-standard. |
| 22:49 |
PilzAdam |
the server sets the standard |
| 22:49 |
PilzAdam |
since thats what every client is connecting to |
| 22:50 |
PilzAdam |
if the server runs 0.4.4 then the standard for the clients is 0.4.4 |
| 22:50 |
us`0gb |
Okay ... SO if I modify the server and add a feature that no client implements, then all the clients are cheaters then, by your definition. |
| 22:50 |
PilzAdam |
if the server runs current dev then the standard for the clients is current dev |
| 22:50 |
us`0gb |
*So |
| 22:50 |
PilzAdam |
if they take advantage of this, yes |
| 22:51 |
us`0gb |
Okay. I can live with that answer. |
| 22:51 |
PilzAdam |
if its just some optimization in mapgen or so then the clients wont take any advantage |
| 22:51 |
us`0gb |
No, like spending time in air slowly kills you, or something. |
| 22:52 |
* VanessaE |
pokes chlue |
| 22:52 |
* Nocte |
pokes VanessaE. :D |
| 22:52 |
us`0gb |
Like drowning, but in reverse, now that I think about it. |
| 22:52 |
* Nocte |
got a lot of Mese Crystals. |
| 22:53 |
chlue |
VanessaE: Well I am not sure. |
| 22:54 |
Nocte |
Think they are too easy to find? :p |
| 22:54 |
arsdragonfly |
Nocte: Mese blocks are |
| 22:56 |
UniversalBuilder |
what server are you in, nocte? |
| 22:56 |
Nocte |
Singleplayer. |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
chlue: the real test would be something like a radius of 10, but say 5 or 10 clients connected and spread out randomly through the map :) |
| 22:58 |
chlue |
VanessaE: Yes, but I begin to think that abm's are mostly not the issue. The things that are done on each step seem to be much more relevant at higher loads. |
| 23:04 |
Nocte |
Who takes the blame for being sadistic coder that created the endless coal veins? :| |
| 23:07 |
chlue |
Nocte: simple tactic: don't get too greedy underground and concentrate on building overground instead. |
| 23:08 |
Nocte |
Yeah, I know. |
| 23:08 |
Nocte |
Too bad there's no balrogs for those who get too greedy... :| |
| 23:08 |
NekoGloop |
Does minetest use ore vein generation now? |
| 23:09 |
PilzAdam |
you should be happy! we implemented a gandal running through the whole map first... |
| 23:10 |
Nocte |
Ugh, I also hate caves and lava pits. :| |
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arsdragonfly |
the branches and forks of a single minetest cave can be more than those of all of my github repos :| |
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Nocte |
What are the best servers for just plain mining, exploration/survival? |
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Megaf |
folks, I was using the seasons mod, then I disabled it, and now the map is all covered by "unknown" nodes, how can I get rid of them? |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
so, is there any way to clean the unknown nodes? |
| 23:52 |
PilzAdam |
Megaf, what do you mean by "clean", what should be there instead of them? |
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