IRC log for #minetest, 2013-05-29

Time	Nick	Message
00:19	* STHGOM	(sparkySTHGOM.IRC) has left (Quit: Went back from whence I came)
00:21	STHGOM	did that look convincing?
00:23	STHGOM	no?
00:27	kaeza	[21:27:01] * [STHGOM] (~sparky71-13-157-143.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com): realname
00:27	kaeza	so no
00:27	kaeza	also, most clients color-code join/leave lines in some way
00:28	kaeza	BTW, interesting reading: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
00:30	PilzAdam	TL;DR Ill read it tomorow
00:32	PilzAdam	kaeza, just looking a but over it, seems like we have to link this everywhere
00:32	kaeza	hah yeah
00:32	PilzAdam	a bot that posts this link every 5 minutes and kicks everyone that doesnt click it here would be good
00:33	kaeza	in particular, certain recet postr on the forums merits a this link: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#urgent
00:33	kaeza	-a
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00:34	kaeza	WTF did I write? O.o
00:36	PilzAdam	"We've found by experience that people who are careless and sloppy writers are usually also careless and sloppy at thinking and coding"
00:36	PilzAdam	I.... I.... I cant even... I cant even tell how true that is
00:37	* kaeza	points at jojoa
00:37	kaeza	bleh
00:38	PilzAdam	"I am familiar with the technical terms, but some slang expressions and idioms are difficult for me." <- I generally treat everyone according to this
00:39	PilzAdam	(because thats the way I want to be treated"
00:39	kaeza	it depends
00:40	kaeza	probably related: http://faildesk.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/movie-hacking-vs.-real-hacking.gif
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00:41	PilzAdam	"Volume is not precision" /me has seen some posts that repeated the same sentence over and over again
00:46	PilzAdam	http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing
00:47	PilzAdam	^ tell that the post blankers
00:48	PilzAdam	bye
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00:58	jcontra-afk	PilzAdam: Are you around?
00:58	jcontra-afk	ahh, just missed him...
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01:14	jcontra	is there any way to force a mob to spawn for testing purposes? like with a console?
01:30	kaeza	/spawnentity?
01:52	kaeza	speaking of the king of rome: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92292#p92292
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02:34	unga22	hi people!
02:34	unga22	anyone there, i want to join a server
02:34	unga22	and always stay in "conecting to server"
02:35	kaeza	unga22, which server?
02:35	unga22	or -"waiting content"
02:35	unga22	all servers
02:35	kaeza	bad connection then
02:35	kaeza	you'll have to wait
02:36	Exio	kaeza: In Web forums, do not abuse â€œsmileyâ€ and â€œHTMLâ€ features (when they are present). A smiley or two is usually OK, but colored fancy text tends to make people think you are lame. Seriously overusing smileys and color and fonts will make you come off like a giggly teenage girl, which is not generally a good idea unless you are more interested in sex than answers.
02:36	unga22	im minecraft (JAVA) server onwer and developer. I saw this... and this is realy REAL AWESOME.
02:36	unga22	im triying this server: wazuclan.com
02:36	Exio	i just bookmarked that link
02:37	* kaeza	's notification message is OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! pixels tall
02:37	Exio	haha
02:39	kaeza	unga22, wazuclan is up
02:40	unga22	yeah finally! Thank you!
02:40	kaeza	unga22, also, try irc.wazuclan.com #minetest
02:40	unga22	Ok!
02:41	kaeza	derp... webchat
02:41	kaeza	you'll need a real IRC clientâ„¢
02:44	kaeza	of fuck
02:44	kaeza	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92295#p92295
02:46	Exio	there should be a thing like only "Members and up" or so
02:46	Exio	and making members accounts with more than, no idea, 15 days in the forum :P
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02:59	kaeza	http://cheezburger.com/7498234624
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03:49	ecube	is enter_area built in to minetest's lua API?
03:49	ecube	and leave_area
04:00	Miner_48er	Is thier a way to make a exceptions list of usernames to ip bans?
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04:02	Miner_48er	for shared ips
04:28	kaeza	wts is dis...I don't even http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92298#p92298
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04:43	ch98	hello, does anyone know how to use this thing?
04:44	ch98	am i using it right?
04:44	Miner_48er	yes
04:46	ch98	now, who here beleves compiling minetest in mac ppc is possible and have knowledge to help?
04:47	Miner_48er	thexyz
04:51	ch98	does he have forum account?
04:52	kaeza	he is there --------->
04:52	kaeza	or maybe in bed
04:52	kaeza	who knows
04:52	kaeza	also, xyz on the forums
04:53	ch98	I can't make sence of error message in xcode
04:54	ch98	also, some good developers said this is impossible to do so it is on offtopic just in case
04:56	ch98	so does people keep this window allways open so they can be logged in 24 hours a day?
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04:57	kahrl	some do
04:57	ch98	Or is there a softwhere for doing this other than web browser.
04:57	kahrl	google irc clients
04:58	ch98	it is amazing how there computer don't burn up overnight.
04:59	kahrl	they have a working cooling system :P
04:59	ch98	I only have old ppc mac left after my computer broke down
05:00	ch98	right after i upgraded to ubuntu 13.04
05:00	kahrl	sounds more like a downgrade then
05:01	kahrl	can't you restore from a backup?
05:01	ch98	but computer don't even turn on so no way to downgrade
05:02	ch98	maybe it is dusty cpu like last time
05:03	ch98	also that 5 year old computer runs slower than this 9 year old mac laptop
05:03	ch98	only if i can play minetest on it.
05:04	khonkhortisan	You can run a computer a year without restarting it, including installing stuff.
05:04	khonkhortisan	It's just a little difficult to change the kernel/graphics drivers
05:05	khonkhortisan	but userspace programs should never require a restart.
05:06	kaeza	khonkhortisan, tell that to Bill Gates
05:06	ch98	not if it has few broken fans, dusty cpu, and is 5 year old one that i fixt by sodering new capaciters on
05:07	ch98	it was my forst successful sodering too.
05:07	ch98	first
05:08	ch98	it needs restert every few hours at bad times
05:10	kaeza	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UqUwVPikChs/S_5ebHqyRpI/AAAAAAAANj8/xi1B4dX_D3k/s1600/funny-windows-error5.jpg
05:11	ch98	it is ubuntu but computer is not mac. only problem for that computer is that it is not mac
05:12	khonkhortisan	I'd tell him that and to not call me administrator when I disable the task manager
05:18	ch98	how do you use other softwhere to connect to here?
05:25	kaeza	http://hexchat.org
05:26	ch98	I will try a softwhere i found
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05:27	kaeza	that worked
05:27	ch98	ok that was good
05:28	ch98	using xchat aqua
05:28	kaeza	specifically X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0 (xchat 2.6.1) Darwin 8.11.0 [Power Macintosh/999.00MHz]
05:28	khonkhortisan	I'm using xchat
05:29	kaeza	and don't even try to CTCP VERSION me
05:29	sfan5	oh nice
05:29	ch98	what is ctcp?
05:29	kaeza	hey sfan
05:30	khonkhortisan	/ctcp khonkhortisan VERSION
05:30	khonkhortisan	VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 3.4.42-2.28-desktop [x86_64/2.80GHz/SMP]
05:31	ch98	so it is a command like in minetest server
05:31	khonkhortisan	yes, except it only works in irc
05:31	khonkhortisan	it's also like a terminal command
05:33	ch98	what does "Send a File" botten do?
05:33	khonkhortisan	exactly what it says, but both clients have to support it, and the other end has to accept.
05:35	ch98	is it ok with big files?
05:35	khonkhortisan	dunno
05:36	ch98	should we experiment?
05:36	khonkhortisan	how big 'we talkin'?
05:37	ch98	biggest file i have is 900 mb
05:38	ch98	just delete it because it is meaningless file
05:38	ch98	can i send it?
05:38	khonkhortisan	sure
05:39	khonkhortisan	"dd if=/dev/zero of=largefile.zeroes bs=1024 count=10240"
05:39	ch98	how do we agree?
05:40	khonkhortisan	I got a popup, with abort/accept/resume/open folder buttons.
05:41	khonkhortisan	it doesn't seem to be doing anything
05:41	khonkhortisan	either way
05:42	ch98	well, it is ok if it doesn't work
05:43	ch98	there is other better ways.
05:44	ch98	good night. it is 10:45 here. time to read in bed.
05:45	ch98	help me on compiling minetest in ppc mac at forum offtopic.
05:45	ch98	bye
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06:47	thexyz	okay, aluminium ingots were okay but now they're spamming me about "Titanium products"
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07:50	kaeza	random: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202013-05-29%2004%3A49%3A06.png
07:51	Calinou	"caves" is a flag too
07:51	kaeza	it's WIP
07:51	Calinou	-1 for ugly menus :p
07:52	kaeza	BTW, it's in python+Tkinter+Tix
07:53	kaeza	it's meant as a frontend for minetest
07:53	kaeza	with multiple profiles and all that shit
07:55	kaeza	just wanted to make something useful while learning how Tkinter works :P
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08:19	markveidemanis	Hello Everyone!
08:20	Calinou	hi
08:21	kaeza	hi PilzAdam
08:21	kaeza	woops
08:21	Calinou	:-)
08:28	markveidemanis	Sorcery!
08:39	markveidemanis	Can i not go above chanserv?
08:40	Calinou	fix your client's user list sorting
08:41	Calinou	mine shows ops first, then voices, then normal users alphabetically sorted
08:41	Calinou	ChanServ is first most of the time
08:45	markveidemanis	yep
08:45	markveidemanis	unless op with AAA
08:45	markveidemanis	gtg, CINEMA
08:45	markveidemanis	IRL not mesecons :)
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09:25	MoNTE	Hello
09:25	MoNTE	I need help.
09:26	Guest62062	Not so long ago, I saw screenshots of ships on Star Trek Online. I am looking for them and a map.
09:26	StarBlessed	Minecraft I think
09:26	StarBlessed	Or are you talking about the pics from the front of minetest.net website?
09:27	Guest62062	No. I was crossing the main Minetest, if I'm not mistaken
09:27	Guest62062	Yes. Online minetest.net had these photos.
09:27	StarBlessed	Search the forums
09:27	Guest62062	No results ...
09:27	StarBlessed	But I think it was on an older version. Some of the older versions of maps dont import well
09:28	Guest62062	Help to find. I love these movies, I would like to do in these ships in the void and build sections, like in the movies. From the beginning I did not build ships ...
09:29	kaeza	mauvebic did some conversions of ST models (and some British ships)
09:29	kaeza	though I don't think those are available anymore
09:29	Guest62062	And I find it?
09:30	Guest62062	It is a pity. I would have at least one world ...
09:30	StarBlessed	you know, if you build one from scratch, there would be HEAPS of people who would want a copy. Perhaps even a few who would help
09:30	kaeza	seems the mod is gone :/
09:30	kaeza	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5174
09:31	kaeza	^ thexyz, is there a possibility you have a backup of that?
09:32	Guest62062	As we can see, the idea is to build a ship do not get inside the
09:33	kaeza	ugh... the wayback machine does not have a copy :/
09:33	Guest62062	It is a pity. Then do not occupy your time ...
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10:42	* arsdragonfly	didn't know s/a/b/ comes from vim until today
10:44	arsdragonfly	any news about 0.4.7?
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10:53	FreeFull	john_minetest: text substitution
10:53	FreeFull	replaces a with b
10:53	FreeFull	Well he left
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10:58	kaeza	well, that goes for those who believed in a site "powered by donkeys" or some shit like that
10:59	kaeza	ompldr is down
10:59	kaeza	indefinitely it seems
10:59	FreeFull	s/a/b/ isn't even from vim, it's from ed
10:59	FreeFull	Which is vim's grandfather or something
10:59	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:59	kaeza	hey Adam
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11:31	Jordach	its official: i've named the player Sam
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11:31	Jordach	(my skin, my name!)
11:31	sfan5	hello
11:32	sfan5	hi Jordach
11:37	PilzAdam	Jordach, strange... its still called character.png for me
11:38	* Jordach	slaps PilzAdam
11:38	Jordach	by that rule MC Steve's name is char.png
11:38	* PilzAdam	gives Jordach his slap bacl
11:38	PilzAdam	*back
11:38	FreeFull	what's MC? You mean Minecraft.jar?
11:38	Jordach	yes
11:39	FreeFull	Ok, < Jordach>
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11:43	kaeza	Jordach, \o/
11:43	kaeza	that name has been around indefinitely
11:43	kaeza	(in unofficial form)
11:48	Jordach	* arsdragonfly didn't know s/a/b/ comes from vim until today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc
11:49	kaeza	stupid modem
11:49	Jordach	kaeza, buy a better line
11:49	Jordach	<- has 8mbps broadband
11:50	Calinou	you can't
11:50	Calinou	I have 3.7/0.3 mbit, even if I asked my ISP I can't have better
11:50	Calinou	the end
11:50	Calinou	they're putting optic fiber, but they are very late
11:50	Calinou	they promised march, then may ;)
11:50	Calinou	it feels like AMD is my ISP
11:51	kaeza	blah now the bouncer is putting a '+' in front of every message
11:51	kaeza	brb
11:52	FreeFull	ed is actually still useful
11:52	jin_xi	ed is the standard editor
11:52	FreeFull	You can use it with a dumb terminal
11:52	FreeFull	And you can use it to make text editing scripts
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11:54	Jordach	http://www.speedtest.net/result/2738770454.png
11:54	FreeFull	Actually, it seems to be even older than ed
11:54	FreeFull	qed had it
11:55	Jordach	FreeFull, you should become a historian
11:55	kaeza	Jordach, http://www.speedtest.net/result/2738772549.png
11:56	Jordach	> Faster than 61% of xxx
11:56	Jordach	JESUS CHRIST
11:56	Jordach	I must be A* there :)
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11:57	kaeza	notbad.jpg
11:57	kaeza	but this crappy thingy keeps disconnecting every half an hour :(
11:57	kaeza	probably some misconfig, dunno
11:58	Jordach	kaeza, is it wifi
11:58	kaeza	3G
11:58	Jordach	ah
11:58	Jordach	as in, is the router using wifi to connect to, or is this a dongle
11:58	kaeza	a Huawei USB dongle
12:02	* sfan5	haz the best ping: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2738782274.png
12:03	PilzAdam	Telekom oO
12:03	sfan5	yes, ik that telekom is bad
12:04	PilzAdam	well, Kabel Deutschland is even worse
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12:04	sfan5	really?
12:04	PilzAdam	yes
12:04	sfan5	I thought they were better
12:04	PilzAdam	it is really slow, the W-Lan router they send us breaks every few months
12:04	PilzAdam	the support is shit
12:04	sfan5	^ same
12:05	sfan5	out router is half-broken
12:05	sfan5	I remove some computer from the list and it deletes half of the port forwarding rules
12:05	PilzAdam	my father has a business packet from telekom at this office and says its quite good
12:05	PilzAdam	*his
12:06	sfan5	o.O
12:11	Jordach	blue marker is where i live: http://i.imgur.com/TqknJMn.jpg
12:11	FreeFull	sfan5: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2738797531.png Same ping, about the same upload, better download
12:12	sfan5	FreeFull: the telekom didn't put a good enough cable into my street
12:12	Jordach	wait what
12:12	Jordach	FreeFull == brit
12:12	Jordach	high five
12:12	sfan5	I should have 16 mbps, but only get 7
12:12	FreeFull	I'm actually a Polish immigrant
12:12	Jordach	goddamit
12:13	FreeFull	I've lived in England for 7 years now
12:13	Jordach	<- 17
12:13	Jordach	been here my whole life!
12:13	FreeFull	I'm 19 years old
12:16	amboss	im a little girl
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12:51	kaeza	<--- 25 :3
12:51	* kaeza	feels old :(
12:52	* kaeza	is also exactly 8 years older than Jordach
12:57	whirm	kaeza: I'm 31 if that makes you feel better :)
13:04	kaeza	:)
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13:11	Jordach	* PilzAdam (~PilzAdam77-21-146-86-dynip.krapkabel.de) has joined
13:12	PilzAdam	?
13:12	Jordach	<PilzAdam> well, Kabel Deutschland is even worse
13:12	PilzAdam	oh, now I see it
13:14	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/Nae8tu3.jpg
13:17	Jordach	i should really trim the ID3 Tag data for these albums
13:17	Jordach	they take 5 seconds to load
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13:40	sfan5	Jordach: halp! how do i disable texture blurring in blender?
13:41	Jordach	sfan5, User Settings
13:41	sfan5	where exactly
13:42	Jordach	File > User Prefs
13:42	Jordach	hit system tab
13:42	Jordach	disable mip maps
13:44	sfan5	Jordach: doesn't work
13:47	sfan5	still looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/abYW5Z4.png
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13:57	rubenwardy	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLsY0y0SfP0
13:57	kaeza	sfan5, under "properties panel"
13:58	kaeza	texture button, "image sampling" panel
13:58	kaeza	uncheck "MipMap"
13:59	sfan5	kaeza: Mip map didn't have any effect, also needed to uncheck "Interpolation"
14:00	kaeza	that works too :P
14:00	kaeza	(my texture had that disabled somehow)
14:01	* ShadowNinja	peeks in
14:01	* Calinou	is converting his 34 candies/sec into lollipops
14:01	Calinou	34% faster than not doing it, but I can't eat the candies
14:01	Calinou	I have 1549 HP already :P
14:01	* kaeza	beat the developper[sic]
14:02	Calinou	already? still stuck at hell :/
14:02	* ShadowNinja	has been mostly active on his IRC network.
14:02	kaeza	HP: NaN/NaN :\|
14:02	Calinou	that's javascript
14:02	kaeza	it was funny fighting against myself
14:02	ShadowNinja	Calinou: 1700, I have been converting those for a while.
14:02	kaeza	at least the first three hours or so :\|
14:03	ShadowNinja	But I get 55/sec now.
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14:06	ShadowNinja	Also: 4 servers + services on my network now, and annother to come. :-)
14:09	markveidemanis	Calinou
14:09	markveidemanis	candies.SetNbrOwner = NUMBER.POSITIVE_INFINITY
14:10	Calinou	I know, I'm playing legit
14:14	ShadowNinja	markveidemanis: I set candies.candiesPerSecond to something realy high once for fun, but I didn't even bother saving it.
14:14	thexyz	kaeza: there is
14:15	markveidemanis	http://candies.aniwey.net/index.php?pass=ads20
14:16	markveidemanis	http://candies.aniwey.net/index.php?pass=wmdi0 This is the hacked one
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14:29	sfan5	markveidemanis: your hacked one now has 0 candies
14:30	markveidemanis	:(
14:30	markveidemanis	would i really give you the password of my game?
14:30	markveidemanis	anyway its 2 simple commands
14:31	markveidemanis	I need some help with the prison on my server
14:31	markveidemanis	I am having trouble with the vault doors
14:32	markveidemanis	Keep dying when i fall down :D
14:33	RealBadAngel	i do have over 3400 hp
14:33	RealBadAngel	100klp candies eaten
14:34	RealBadAngel	You have eaten 99832131 candies!
14:35	RealBadAngel	sword level 17, next level of candy upgrade is at 207360klp
14:36	kaeza	seems legit
14:36	RealBadAngel	*1000kklp eaten
14:36	RealBadAngel	or 100? im tired ;)
14:36	kaeza	you ate 1000 kilo lollipop candies? O.o
14:36	markveidemanis	sfan5
14:36	rubenwardy	My random video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLsY0y0SfP0
14:37	markveidemanis	Can you hack it and eat a massive amount?
14:37	RealBadAngel	99832131 candies!
14:37	RealBadAngel	precisely
14:37	sfan5	markveidemanis: yes
14:37	kaeza	> lollipop candies
14:37	kaeza	> lollipop
14:37	kaeza	> candies
14:37	kaeza	> O.o
14:38	kaeza	just messing a bit with ya
14:38	RealBadAngel	candies, candies of course
14:38	kaeza	:P
14:38	RealBadAngel	my machine is always on
14:38	Calinou	RealBadAngel: isn't the limit 2000HP?
14:38	RealBadAngel	so candies and lollipops grow all the time
14:39	Calinou	someone said it was
14:39	RealBadAngel	no it isnt
14:39	kaeza	Calinou, .avi
14:39	Calinou	also, I don't 24/7, not wasting power for a game :P
14:39	kaeza	I have 2200 or so in my legit save
14:39	Calinou	kaeza: here's your lollipop-flavored lollipop!
14:39	Calinou	1549 HP
14:39	Calinou	19mlp right now :3
14:39	Calinou	need 30.25mlp for faster candies
14:40	kaeza	Calinou, faster candies is a waste of candies IMHO
14:40	kaeza	you only get ~10 increase in income
14:40	kaeza	uhh... not even that I guess
14:41	Calinou	usually it's 50%
14:41	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/YCwbzsH.png
14:41	Calinou	useful on the long term
14:41	RealBadAngel	there were ghost out there while i was lookin for screen capturer
14:41	Calinou	dat debian font
14:41	Calinou	+1 for greybird, -1 for firefox
14:41	Calinou	erm, I mean firefox font
14:42	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, "How to ask questions the smart way" \o/
14:42	Calinou	also, dat tabs
14:42	RealBadAngel	i googled for answers
14:42	RealBadAngel	there are somwhere out there
14:42	RealBadAngel	at least i did it for the "frog" answer
14:42	kaeza	google "zerg rush"
14:43	kaeza	kekekeke
14:43	PilzAdam	kaeza, rule 34?
14:43	kaeza	O.o
14:43	RealBadAngel	i havent managed to answer who i would like to be
14:43	kaeza	PilzAdam, starcraft reference
14:43	PilzAdam	kaeza, does it exist?
14:43	Calinou	PilzAdam: no, else he would google "pony"
14:43	Calinou	;-;
14:44	kaeza	** pico
14:44	rubenwardy	zerg rush crashed my browser
14:45	kaeza	PilzAdam, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft
14:46	kaeza	derp
14:46	kaeza	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft
14:46	Calinou	s/Star/Mine
14:46	kaeza	s/Mine/War/
14:46	PilzAdam	s/Craft/Test
14:46	whirm	wartest?
14:47	PilzAdam	yea
14:47	kaeza	fun game
14:47	RealBadAngel	anybody here know what gremlin rush is?
14:47	kaeza	hm?
14:47	RealBadAngel	another game, same tactics
14:48	kaeza	ah I see
14:48	RealBadAngel	Heroes of Might and Magic 3
14:48	RealBadAngel	turn based strategy in a fantasy world
14:49	PilzAdam	Minetest in valgrind -> turn based
14:49	Calinou	fun guy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713604/
14:49	kaeza	lol
14:49	RealBadAngel	i took 3rd place in Poland on championship organized by polish distributor of the game
14:50	RealBadAngel	that was an addictive game
14:50	RealBadAngel	i played in online league for several years
14:50	RealBadAngel	www.toheroes.com
14:51	PilzAdam	Calinou, dont feed that troll
14:51	RealBadAngel	my best friend, Wuderior, too. he was even better than me in the league
14:52	RealBadAngel	we both were best polish team in HoMM3
14:52	RealBadAngel	sadly 3rd part of the game was last one so good
14:53	RealBadAngel	biggest software companies took over the title
14:53	RealBadAngel	and screwed it as much as they could
14:53	ruskie	heh
14:53	RealBadAngel	no trademark is in possesion of Ubisoft
14:53	RealBadAngel	*now
14:53	ruskie	that's what people usually say about various franchises
14:54	ruskie	have you tried wesnoth?
14:54	RealBadAngel	until game was in hand of folks who put their hearts into it
14:54	RealBadAngel	it was a great game
14:54	RealBadAngel	now its only about getting more money
14:56	* RealBadAngel	yells out loud: fuck you UBI!
14:56	* ruskie	yawns at another pointless rant
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14:57	RealBadAngel	btw, i polished enough bumpmapping code, VanessaE wrote a script to make normal maps out of any texture pack
14:58	RealBadAngel	so i think i will make a commit out of it today
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14:59	Calinou	command line normal map generator? cool
14:59	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, and since im not ready with hardware lights, my next commit will be fix for lights and 6dfacedir
14:59	RealBadAngel	Calinou, its configurable script that uses gimp
15:00	Calinou	oh
15:00	RealBadAngel	you put it into textures folder, choose parameters and let it work
15:00	* Calinou	just installed gimp-texturize, gimp-normalmap and gimp-data-extras
15:00	Calinou	installing packages is much faster with a SSD :3
15:00	RealBadAngel	gimp-normalmap is what it needs
15:00	Calinou	I know
15:00	Calinou	installed gimp-dds too
15:01	Calinou	just installing random packages :-)
15:01	RealBadAngel	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/generate-texture-normals.sh
15:01	RealBadAngel	you can test the script if u like
15:02	Calinou	gotta like how chromium wants to download it directly :3
15:02	Calinou	have to go now, bye
15:09	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, cool
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16:30	VanessaE	hi all.
16:31	sfan5	hi
16:38	sfan5	!sfu sfan5*
16:38	MinetestBot	sfan5 Moderator 2,405 posts, registered on 2011-08-24 \| id: 239
16:38	MinetestBot	sfan5-bot Bot 61 posts, registered on 2013-03-28 \| id: 4833
16:38	sfan5	:/
16:39	PilzAdam	sfan5, idea for a new command: !lapi {user} -> <MinetestBot> $user: Please read doc/lua-api.txt and ask the question again if you havent found a solution: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:40	sfan5	PilzAdam: i'll add that
16:40	sfan5	you could also do that
16:41	* PilzAdam	doesnt know python
16:42	kaeza	better yet, make it so it provides a quick description of the api
16:43	kaeza	on #lua, you can use, for example, !api io.open
16:43	thexyz	make it cite our dev wiki
16:43	VanessaE	bbl
16:43	PilzAdam	the dev wiki is incomplete and out of date
16:44	PilzAdam	basically because of lack of maintainers
16:44	thexyz	why don't you fix it then?
16:45	PilzAdam	I look at lua-api.txt, its faster
16:45	PilzAdam	and I dont need examples or long descriptions
16:45	kaeza	Joe Random Modder does
16:46	thexyz	it's the only wiki we've got though
16:46	sfan5	kaeza: "!api io.open" you want me to copy the lua bot from #lua
16:46	thexyz	(dev one)
16:46	sfan5	PilzAdam: python is easy, not joking, really easy
16:46	kaeza	sfan5, only for MT api
16:46	kaeza	*API
16:46	sfan5	if you don't know a programming language you can still copy/paste
16:46	PilzAdam	sure
16:46	thexyz	so, for example, !wiki register_on_generated â†’ Syntax: minetest.register_on_generated(function(minp, maxp, blockseed)) Description: * minp, maxp â€” position * blockseed â€” integer Called after generating a piece of world; minp/maxp encompass a 5Ã—5Ã—5 volume of map blocks â€” that is, 80Ã—80Ã—80 nodes. Modifying nodes inside the area is a bit faster than usually.
16:47	sfan5	!g xkcd antigravity python
16:47	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://xkcd.com/353/
16:47	sfan5	MinetestBot: I want anything BUT NOT THE COMIC
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18:02	rubenwardy	Hi all
18:03	rubenwardy	Anyone play Sims/2/3 here?
18:03	kaeza	I do sometimes
18:03	kaeza	Sims 2 on the PS2
18:04	rubenwardy	What do you think it lacks?
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18:04	kaeza	hmm... that's a hard question
18:04	rubenwardy	I know
18:05	kaeza	if you ask me, more freedom when creating the character (but the PC version may alleviate that)
18:05	rubenwardy	yeah
18:06	rubenwardy	It has a massive section
18:06	rubenwardy	Sounds like it is trying to generate a node preview
18:06	kaeza	also, smarter AI
18:06	kaeza	srsly, talk, tell joke, talk, tell joke, talk, tell joke, MARRY ME!!
18:07	rubenwardy	for example, it is getting a node (like dirt) and rendering it to get what you see in the inventory
18:07	rubenwardy	very true, Kaeza
18:07	rubenwardy	you can get a sim to marry you in an hour sim time
18:07	rubenwardy	for me it is realistic health systems (can get) ill
18:07	rubenwardy	better and easier modding support
18:08	rubenwardy	and more freedom!
18:08	kaeza	well, yes
18:08	kaeza	but before you start babbling about "freedom" as in "GNU", lemme say I don't care
18:08	rubenwardy	not that kind of freedom
18:09	rubenwardy	more sandbox freedom
18:09	rubenwardy	I love the sims
18:09	kaeza	ah, then you have my complete attention :)
18:10	rubenwardy	Are you in a node, or are you on the surface
18:10	rubenwardy	I am not completely sure how more freedom can be gained
18:10	rubenwardy	No idea than
18:11	kaeza	one annoying thing in the sims is being blocked by stupid objects like garbage, plates, etc
18:11	rubenwardy	here we are: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/2c09e8a84cac653b85bba3c85d781e24b5d6f4f8/src/mesh.cpp#L437
18:11	rubenwardy	yeah, and they just freak out and do not find another way
18:12	rubenwardy	john_minetest, it is an irrlicht thing
18:14	rubenwardy\|away	brb
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18:34	rubenwardy	back
18:35	PilzAdam	away nicks suck
18:35	Exio	^
18:35	* away	rocks, though
18:35	Exio	nah, you don't
18:35	Exio	<3
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18:37	Jordach	suggestion: add this to forum rules, not many people look at the mod realeases guidelines
18:37	Jordach	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714238/
18:37	PilzAdam	its their fault if thy dont read the mod releases guidelines
18:37	rubenwardy	+1
18:38	rubenwardy	But with this method they can be threaterned
18:38	Jordach	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714242/
18:38	Jordach	^ fixed
18:38	PilzAdam	there is no need to punish people that dont like free licenses
18:39	Jordach	PilzAdam, see j4i
18:40	PilzAdam	adding this to forum rules would be redundant
18:40	Morrolan	I'm not sure if using CreativeCommons as example licenses for a mod is that good an idea. :P
18:40	Jordach	Morrolan, well, hold on
18:41	Jordach	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5714252/
18:41	Jordach	there
18:42	PilzAdam	why add things to forum rules that only apply to one sub forum?
18:42	PilzAdam	and its already written in the sub forum
18:42	Morrolan	Remind me not to join that forum if I'd ever consider it, too restrictive for my taste. :P
18:42	PilzAdam	and the only people that can break this rule are moderators
18:42	Jordach	because it might end up an ongoing problem: EG, Minecraft modders who think CC-ND is actually ok
18:43	PilzAdam	and what hinders them from reading he Mod Releases guidelines?
18:43	PilzAdam	and why would they read the forum rules if the dont read the guidelines?
18:44	PilzAdam	everything is already there, people just need to read
18:44	Jordach	PilzAdam, people dont bother reading unless its a properly written rule
18:44	Jordach	a topic on this no one will look at
18:44	PilzAdam	its their fault then
18:44	Jordach	not really
18:45	PilzAdam	they cant break the rule anyway since they cant put there mods in Mod Releases
18:45	PilzAdam	its like adding "Dont delte this forum" to the rules
18:45	PilzAdam	*delete
18:45	Jordach	or we just move the ND mods into Old Mods
18:45	Jordach	>:D
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19:47	sweetbomber	hello, do you use any sort of auto-documentation software? I just generated a doxygen output of minetest, and wandered if it could be integrated with the dev-wiki?
19:47	sweetbomber	i believe this would greatly help new contributors (like me) to better browse the code...
19:48	sweetbomber	or i could just create a pull request of the html folder. which is better?
19:50	GhostlyDeath	Although I do not code for minetest, I have used doxygen
19:50	GhostlyDeath	but I find doxygen ugly personally
19:51	Calinou	doxygen is ugly
19:51	Calinou	there you go
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20:18	Jordach	ive never laughed this much (nsfw?) http://imgur.com/gallery/lrHmx
20:20	PilzAdam	LOL
20:20	Jordach	ive been laughing for the past 15 mins
20:20	Calinou	not nsfw, it doesn't involve ponies
20:20	Calinou	also, very, very old news
20:20	Calinou	this is at least 2 years old
20:20	Calinou	also, it is SFW, since it' SFW pron :P
20:20	Calinou	it's*
20:20	Jordach	Calinou, rear gunner
20:21	Jordach	i found that very amusing
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21:00	Calinou	looks like you're holding NVIDIA's CEO in your hands
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21:10	sfan5	good night
21:10	VanessaE	Uberi, sfan5: worldedit coders' shift change?
21:10	VanessaE	;)
21:10	Uberi	hahaha
21:11	Uberi	just clocking in, EST 5:11pm
21:11	VanessaE	you'r
21:11	VanessaE	you're 11 minutes late! I'm gonna have to dock you. :D
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22:13	Kacey	heyif someone called "ian" or "ninjaian" or something like that comes around, kick him
22:13	PilzAdam	why?
22:16	harrison	did you hear about the california videogame murders?
22:16	harrison	the defense is claiming it was unintendo
22:18	STHGOM	2895 hours!
22:22	FreeFull	5 seconds
22:22	FreeFull	Assuming you're using tcc and no optimisaiton
22:22	FreeFull	optimisation*
22:24	FreeFull	http://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html A live CD that compiles the linux kernel and then boots it
22:24	Kacey	PilzAdam, they are a retarded "friend" of mine that i have no need to deal e=with right now
22:26	PilzAdam	Kacey, Ill kick people based on behaviour
22:27	Jordach	Kacey, huh
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22:30	ch98	is xyz on?
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22:31	PilzAdam	ch98, you mean thexyz?
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22:31	ch98	yes
22:31	codedevil	VanessaE: someone griefed my celtic cross on the server
22:31	ch98	I hard he could help on my mac experiment
22:32	VanessaE	where is it?
22:33	FreeFull	It doesn't run gcc
22:33	FreeFull	It runs tcc
22:34	FreeFull	You can just have a minimal kernel, do whatever you need and then boot into something proper
22:34	ch98	who knows a lot about fairly old mac and compiling minetest?
22:35	PilzAdam	ch98, if we had someone knowing about compiling on/for mac then we would probably have some kind of official mac build
22:36	ch98	I know there is some mac build but i need someone who can make sence of xcode errors
22:39	ch98	I am trying to compile minetest on ppc mac and some says it is cloas to impossible.
22:40	PilzAdam	can you compile Irrlicht and the Irrlicht examples on it?
22:42	ch98	irrlicht 1.7.2 was compiled
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22:42	PilzAdam	can you run the examples?
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22:44	VanessaE	codedevil, those two yellow wool blocks I just placed mark the area available to you where you were building before
22:46	ch98	i can run only HelloWorld
22:47	ch98	and it is not running so well, but it says it shouldn't work
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22:53	asdwMOVIE	You here v?
22:53	VanessaE	yeah
22:53	asdwMOVIE	Cool
22:53	asdwMOVIE	What should i message to chat?
22:54	VanessaE	I just sent you one
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23:01	ch98	ok all examples work if i open executable file inside app on terminal
23:02	PilzAdam	then its probably possible to get minetest working
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23:03	ch98	sorry
23:05	ch98	so all examples work great
23:08	* Jordach	considers making a Gangnam Style Render
23:08	Jordach	a full video
23:08	PilzAdam	too old
23:08	Jordach	PilzAdam, point me a video - i'll parody it
23:09	PilzAdam	thrift shop
23:09	Exio	Jordach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4PTtXIQ3vs
23:09	Exio	doit
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23:16	VanessaE	bbl
23:16	ch98	can anyone make sence of error message "/Users/net/Desktop/minetest-0.4.4/src/rollback.cpp:117: error: no match for 'operator!=' in 'i != std::list<_Tp, _Alloc>::rend() [with _Tp = RollbackAction, _Alloc = std::allocator<RollbackAction>]()'
23:16	ch98	can anyone make sence of error message
23:16	ch98	error: no match for 'operator!=' in 'i != std::list<_Tp, _Alloc>::rend() [with _Tp = RollbackAction, _Alloc = std::allocator<RollbackAction>]()'
23:16		ch98 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like ix.io or pastebin.ubuntu.com.
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23:18	ch98	does anyone know what happend?
23:20	PilzAdam	yes
23:20	PilzAdam	you triggered the flood detection of ShadowBot
23:21	ch98	so i can't use paste
23:28	ch98	so what does "error: no match for 'operator!=' in '(I don't want to type out this part)' mean?
23:29	PilzAdam	have you tried googling that error?
23:29	ch98	Yes but i don't get anything good
23:30	ch98	I only get 'operator==' and not 'operator!=' and I suspect it is somthing to do with ! thing
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23:32	ch98	all 3 error saying same thing is c++
23:37	STHGOM	taa taa
23:49	Jordach	ch98, learn c++
23:49	Jordach	you then might find the bug
23:51	ch98	I will try to learn it
23:51	ch98	bye
23:51	PilzAdam	maybe try to change the if(a!=b) into if(!(a==b)) if != is not defined
23:51	* PilzAdam	hopes he reads the logs
23:56	Jordach	<- retard at pool

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