IRC log for #minetest, 2013-03-29

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Time	Nick	Message
00:00	mauvebic	figures they would dump american mobsters in our waters :P (kidding)
00:00	rarkenin	No, that refers to New York City. I'm three hours from there.
00:02	mauvebic	meh im an hour north of montreal, which is where that kinda stuff goes down lol
00:04	mauvebic	though theyll be building a new bridge soon, concrete foundations are usually another good spot to hide bodies lol
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00:06	mauvebic	though back to fences/rock-climbing, how about grip? like the ability to grip sides and climb slowly
00:07	mauvebic	along with crouch for 1 node high tunnels, that would be cool
00:20	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/common: Add missing recipes for diamond and mese sword and axe f37e7e176d 2013-03-28T17:19:07-07:00 http://git.io/-49N3Q
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00:26	NekoGloop	all mods will be written in Flash.
00:30	rarkenin	Yeah, crouch and climbing could be useful. Requires client changes though to get more map node definition data. Could also be used in conjuction with wielding a tool with groups like suction, sticky, sharp.
00:33	mauvebic	well crouch shouldn't be too dificult, its basically laying the player on his stomach as opposed to standing up to go down 1m wide sewers
00:33	mauvebic	a hack would be to change the collision box
00:44	jordan4ibanez	I wish that the player physics update included block friction
00:47	rarkenin	Can someone try to export my messed up mesh properly? It renders correctly in Blender but when in Minetest, the animations aren't even running at the same frames as given in player.lua.
00:53	jordan4ibanez	they are
00:54	jordan4ibanez	you messed up something in the init.lua
00:54	jordan4ibanez	check again
00:56	rarkenin	I did not add an init.lua. I simply overwrote player.x
00:56	rarkenin	This is a test system.
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01:32	Kacey	hi ShadowNinja
01:33	ShadowNinja	hi
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01:41	Kacey	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79700#p79700
01:53	* ShadowNinja	looks at Jeijas entry
01:54	ShadowNinja	that is realy neat, and another reason for the download pull
01:56	kaeza	sfan5, post fixed: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73067#p73067
01:57	kaeza	please delete: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79498#p79498
02:12	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/ddu0nLh.jpg
02:14	jordan4ibanez	That was the only thing I could think of
02:23	jordan4ibanez	http://youtu.be/96Fli1BHb-Q
02:23	Tecan	(96Fli1BHb-Q) "Minetest- ModPack[coming soon] - THE MONSTER" by "313hummer" is "Games" - Length: 0:06:04
02:23	jordan4ibanez	tecan
02:23	jordan4ibanez	I'm gettin real sick of your shiz tecan
02:25	Tecan	hmm ?
02:26	jordan4ibanez	No tecan, go back to being a bot
02:26	Tecan	y ?
02:26	jordan4ibanez	Tecan, relax, you've become self aware, just calm down
02:31	* Tecan	smokes a bowl then opens minetest
02:33	Kacey	O.o
02:33	Kacey	wtf just happened?
02:33	jordan4ibanez	That's not good for your circuits tecan
02:34	VanessaE	jordan4ibanez: sure it is.  it'll just slow down his clock a bit, making him cool off a little
02:34	VanessaE	which is always good for electronics :)
02:34	Kacey	win
02:37	jordan4ibanez	Maybe
02:38	jordan4ibanez	instead of a complex series of things, minetest could just scan the chunk, to scan for non air blocks, then check above it if it's air, then the block is the surface, and the node you want to add to the surface is added
02:38	jordan4ibanez	how big is a chunk?
02:38	Exio	chunk_size in the .conf
02:38	Kacey	16*16  believe is default
02:39	jordan4ibanez	Wow, I think I said something intelligent
02:39	VanessaE	a chunk is 80x80x80.
02:39	VanessaE	a mapblock is 16x16x16
02:40	jordan4ibanez	which generates? a chunk or a mapblock?
02:40	VanessaE	mapblocks, but they're generated in chunk-sized sections.
02:40	jordan4ibanez	what does on_generated use?
02:40	VanessaE	register_on_generated acts on chunks I believe
02:40	jordan4ibanez	hmm this could be very interesting
02:41	jordan4ibanez	If this acts how I think it does, we could be in business for faster surface node generation
02:42	Exio	ok
02:42	Exio	i just pressed random keys
02:42	Exio	and the world name is in use
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02:43	eldiablo	hello
02:43	jordan4ibanez	YOU FAIL!
02:43	jordan4ibanez	hi eldiablo
02:43	eldiablo	I need help. I cant seem to run the TNT mod
02:43	eldiablo	Is Pilzadam around?
02:44	kaeza	eldiablo, what problem are you encountering?
02:44	jordan4ibanez	outdated client
02:44	eldiablo	The problem is an init.lua error.
02:44	kaeza	eldiablo, have you tried renaming the folder to just 'tnt'?
02:45	eldiablo	kaeza: negatory
02:45	kaeza	do so then :)
02:48	Kacey	afk
02:52	jordan4ibanez	Brain fart
02:52	eldiablo	are there any servers with tnt
02:53	jordan4ibanez	what is it called, a number no matter how far from 0 on a number line, it can either be negative or positive and you still write it as positive
02:53	kaeza	absolute?
02:53	jordan4ibanez	thank you
02:53	kaeza	welcome
02:56	Tecan	the boats are really buggy
02:56	eldiablo	are there any servers with TNT?
02:56	eldiablo	???
02:56	Tecan	the idea is to create things that last
03:01	eldiablo	Tecan:Art is short and sweet, as Deidara once said
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03:03	jojoa1997|Tablet	Holy cow
03:04	jojoa1997|Tablet	I'm gone for a day and I check the mod release section and there are new posts all the way to page 2
03:04	VanessaE	I haven't even read the whole of the forums today, just a couple of select threads
03:05	VanessaE	holy shit
03:05	VanessaE	4 pages of new posts!?!
03:05	kaeza	sfan's spambot
03:05	kaeza	lol J/K
03:05	jojoa1997|Tablet	Yeah
03:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	It should be the modders job to check not the spammers
03:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	Anything new I have been gone all day at SeaWorld
03:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	Vanessae you know it right?
03:07	VanessaE	never been there.
03:07	kaeza	I have been all day at DreamWorld
03:07	VanessaE	as for new posts, I'm just now opening tabs
03:07	Exio	I don't even have dreams :(
03:07	VanessaE	celeron55: can you *please* add an "open all new posts in tabs" function?
03:08	kaeza	a global RSS feed would be better
03:09	eldiablo	kaeza: init.lua error persists
03:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	Vanessa
03:09	VanessaE	hj?
03:09	VanessaE	hm?
03:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	A change poll option would be nice
03:09	kaeza	eldiablo, can you pastebin the error?
03:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	I have had that stupid poll in my npc topic for a long time now
03:10	eldiablo	kaeza: will imgur the error
03:10	VanessaE	celeron55: let me rephrase that - open all threads with new posts in new tabs.
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03:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	Yay my mods didn't get spambotted
03:11	VanessaE	hopefully none of mine did either
03:11	eldiablo	kaeza: here http://imgur.com/VhyYUqc
03:12	kaeza	eldiablo, that does not help at all
03:12	jojoa1997|Tablet	I don't think they did
03:12	kaeza	eldiablo, do something:
03:12	jojoa1997|Tablet	Anything new added to mcommon or minetest?
03:12	kaeza	go to your minetest folder and delete debug.txt
03:13	kaeza	restart the game and as soon as it shows the error close it
03:13	kaeza	now pastebin the last few lines of debug.txt (the section that reads "LUA ERROR") and post link here
03:14	eldiablo	kaeza: no debug.txt present?
03:14	eldiablo	kaeza: using windows version of Minetest.
03:15	kaeza	eldiablo, open minetest.conf in notepad, and try to find a line that says debug_log_level=
03:15	kaeza	or smth like that
03:16	eldiablo	kaeza: cannot find a minetest.conf
03:17	jordan4ibanez	it does work, but it's incredibly slow http://i.imgur.com/RiVGFd5.jpg
03:18	eldiablo	kaeza: found it sorry what to do with debug log level?
03:18	kaeza	set it to debug_log_level=4
03:18	kaeza	and do as I said
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03:19	eldiablo	kaeza: what should I do
03:19	kaeza	go to your minetest folder and delete debug.txt
03:19	kaeza	restart the game and as soon as it shows the error close it
03:20	kaeza	and pastebin the last few lines of debug.txt (the section that reads "LUA ERROR") and post link here
03:20	jojoa1997|Tablet	Lol
03:20	jojoa1997|Tablet	What did I do? I have no idea http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79259#p79259
03:22	eldiablo	kaeza: says it fails to run the init.lua for tnt
03:22	* VanessaE	considers adding snow mod to her server...
03:22	VanessaE	(snow biomes I mean)
03:22	kaeza	...I know that... but we need the actual error message to know what went wrong
03:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	No
03:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	Yes
03:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	Maybe
03:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	Idk
03:23	VanessaE	luajit makes it + moretrees (with beeches replacing default trees) fast enough to be useable :-)
03:23	eldiablo	kaeza: says there is no such file or directory as init.lua in the tnt folder...
03:24	kaeza	eldiablo, is there a subfolder named 'tnt' or something?
03:24	eldiablo	kaeza: not to my knowledge,
03:27	eldiablo	kaeza: it worked thanks bro
03:27	kaeza	okay, I guess
03:27	kaeza	welcome
03:27	jordan4ibanez	Wow
03:28	kaeza	eldiablo, by any chance, do you speak spanish?
03:29	eldiablo	kaeza: no bro
03:29	kaeza	ah ok... just asking :)
03:29	eldiablo	kaeza: I speak urdu hindi and punjabi though :D
03:30	kaeza	hehe
03:30	eldiablo	kaeza: ok take care bro
03:30	kaeza	you too
03:34	Kacey	back
03:36	VanessaE	I wonder if sfan5's bot spamming the mod releases forum like it did can be considered as necroposting in some of the older, almost-outdated threads :)
03:36	VanessaE	(i.e if it's a bot, does it count?)
03:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	Cough cough annoying not protection not working
03:41	jordan4ibanez	minetest didn't release the port it was on
03:41	jordan4ibanez	wtf
03:51	VanessaE	maybe the server half is hung
03:52	jojoa1997|Tablet	Someone say something
03:53	VanessaE	something.
04:01	jordan4ibanez	I think I successfully created a flower generator lol
04:02	jordan4ibanez	Happy accident
04:06	jordan4ibanez	kind of strange http://i.imgur.com/ojkas0u.jpg but very fast
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04:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	?.?
04:12	VanessaE	gevalt!
04:12	kaeza	?
04:12	VanessaE	I am somehow reminded of an episode of Star Trek:TOS.
04:13	VanessaE	(the one with the explosive rocks, and the computer named Vaal)
04:13	* jojoa1997|Tablet	needs a good android game
04:13	VanessaE	The Apple.
04:13	VanessaE	that was the name
04:13	VanessaE	[03-29 00:06] <jordan4ibanez> kind of strange http://i.imgur.com/ojkas0u.jpg but very fast
04:13	VanessaE	kaeza: ^^^
04:14	kaeza	what the...
04:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	spam spam SPAM
04:14	kaeza	BATMAN!
04:14	kaeza	ah no
04:19	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#oGUmfw8J
04:19	VanessaE	lol
04:22	kaeza	hah
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04:23	ShadowNinja	sfan5: how did you change the phenny command prefix from . to !?
04:23	jojoa1997|Tablet	PilzAdam
04:23	jojoa1997|Tablet	and he isnt here
04:24	kaeza	http://www.explosm.net/comics/2030/
04:27	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/#gkh8GfZk
04:29	jojoa1997|Tablet	should we add farming and carts o default
04:30	ShadowNinja	farming yes, carts maybe not
04:31	jojoa1997|Tablet	yeah relized cats are buggy
04:36	kaeza	NekoGloop is buggy?
04:36	NekoGloop	me-bzzt-ow
04:36	kaeza	lol
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04:50	jordan4ibanez	version 2 of flower generation
04:50	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/JzC2s2e.jpg
04:52	jojoa1997|Tablet	Now we just need a lot of fire
04:52	jordan4ibanez	You can generate fire and lava with this lol
04:54	kaeza	where is the most recent version of worldedit located?
04:55	VanessaE	https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/
04:55	jojoa1997|Tablet	Oh cool an Armageddon mod
05:00	kaeza	VanessaE, thanks :)
05:00	VanessaE	np
05:01	VanessaE	you're lagging again ;)
05:01	kaeza	I won't blame my modem this time :P
05:01	VanessaE	lol
05:07	Kacey	night all
05:07	VanessaE	night
05:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	Bed time flor me toó night everyone
05:09	kaeza	nite
05:09	VanessaE	night
05:16	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#RLYXeE9J
05:16	VanessaE	that's just...ill
05:17	jordan4ibanez	I DID IT
05:17	jordan4ibanez	I FUCKING DID IT
05:17	jordan4ibanez	Third try!
05:17	VanessaE	you did?  well then off to jail with you
05:17	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/YX0CBZz.jpg
05:18	jordan4ibanez	I finally created a fast way to find the surface of a chunk (basically)
05:18	VanessaE	you should have looked at how I did it in plants_lib
05:19	VanessaE	basically, find_nodes_in_area(chunk minp, chunk maxp, "default:dirt_with_grass"); iterate through the returned list checking for air above each position.
05:19	jordan4ibanez	This isn't 100% complete
05:20	jordan4ibanez	it scans the center of the chunk for the tallest node, then generates from the bottom up and saves cpu not trying to do the rest
05:20	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/MhQWdLN.jpg
05:20	jordan4ibanez	Look at dem flowers
05:21	VanessaE	my way takes advantage of the fact that grass will only ever appear adjacent to air :-)
05:21	VanessaE	(or with the occasional plantlike object such as junglegrass)
05:21	jordan4ibanez	nice, version 4 will get 100% of the surfaces, but it will be the slowest
05:22	jordan4ibanez	I wrote an api, which contains the versions, fastest to slowest
05:25	VanessaE	No one has good, fast surface-finding algorithm in game | Writes fastest possible one | Everyone keeps writing their own slower ones | :forever alone:
05:25	VanessaE	:)
05:27	kaeza	VanessaE, IKR
05:27	kaeza	everybody complauns that there's no dangers for survival gameplay | unifies hunger, drowning, thirst | no one cares
05:27	kaeza	-u+i
05:28	VanessaE	yup
05:28	jordan4ibanez	AHA!
05:28	jordan4ibanez	this one gets the surface 100% of the time with minimum lag!
05:28	jordan4ibanez	Holy crap
05:28	jordan4ibanez	It actually works
05:32	jordan4ibanez	for me http://i.imgur.com/FhOuKNh.jpg THIS adds on 2-5 seconds per chunk generated or mapblock or whatever
05:32	jordan4ibanez	the chunk on the left was generated with version 3
05:33	jordan4ibanez	it scans the top, until it meets a block, then works it's way up from the bottom of the chunk to find surface
05:34	jordan4ibanez	Who wants to try it? :]
05:34	kaeza	jordan4ibanez, 2-5 secs/chunk == meh, 2-5 secs/mapblock == bad
05:35	jordan4ibanez	kaeza: I was getting that while recording, I closed bandicam and it only adds on 1-2 seconds per whatever generated
05:36	kaeza	jordan4ibanez, lemme compile again and will test that
05:37	kaeza	BTW, what CPU?
05:37	jordan4ibanez	Okay!
05:37	jordan4ibanez	amd athlon ii x2
05:37	jordan4ibanez	but with other terrain gen mods, it takes 20-50 seconds to do the same things
05:37	jordan4ibanez	per chunk
05:37	kaeza	intel dual core
05:37	jordan4ibanez	I didn't even know this was possible
05:37	kaeza	e5700 I think
05:38	kaeza	you should compare to plants_lib
05:40	jordan4ibanez	Hang on I'm writing the mod article
05:40	jordan4ibanez	topic*
05:40	VanessaE	I've never benckmarked the placement code, but the search code only takes about 1 second per chunk or some such, without luajit
05:41	VanessaE	with luajit I couldn't even begin to guess
05:41	VanessaE	(2.8 GHz box here)
05:50	us_0gb	That's a lot of flowers ...
05:53	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#DDJgjwIl
05:53	VanessaE	WIN!
05:54	jordan4ibanez	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79732
05:55	jordan4ibanez	us_0gb I know! It's crazy!
05:59	us_0gb	Does it work on the latest stable, or require the dev version?
06:00	jordan4ibanez	I'm using the latest stable I think
06:00	jordan4ibanez	all it uses is on_generate so it should run fine
06:01	us_0gb	The ad gives you a choice of Windows, Windows, Windows, or other. But if you click other, it still gives you an .exe.
06:01	jordan4ibanez	then just click download lol
06:02	us_0gb	Yeah, I did. But why say other it's still Windows? Foolish ad.
06:07	jordan4ibanez	Well goodnight peoples
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06:22	alex256	the minetestc55_201303290104-0~2024~precise1_i386.deb for ubuntu works great in puppy linux! Awesome job developers! love the already added server list btw...
06:22	us_0gb	The Linux packages were added back now? Sweet!
06:23	alex256	4 hours ago
06:23	us_0gb	Better late than never. I was worried that Linux was being dropped as a priority.
06:24	alex256	hope not
06:25	alex256	i like puppy 5.5 better than any other linux distribution i have tried so far...
06:26	us_0gb	I haven't had time to try it yet.
06:26	alex256	its freaking fast!
06:26	us_0gb	I'd like to try as many as I can, but am a busy guy.
06:26	kaeza	puppy 5.5 is out?
06:26	alex256	tyes
06:26	alex256	yes
06:26	kaeza	gosh... I'm stuck in 5.2.5
06:26	alex256	sorry for the t ...its a gaming habit...
06:27	VanessaE	too much minetest ;)
06:27	us_0gb	Yeah. I do it too.
06:27	kaeza	lol happens ofter here
06:27	kaeza	often
06:27	alex256	yea i did a frugal install on a fat 32 runs sweet!
06:28	us_0gb	FAT32? Ugh. Case sensitive.
06:28	alex256	i am used to it
06:28	us_0gb	*insensitive
06:28	alex256	tlol
06:28	us_0gb	I'm tired.
06:28	alex256	the puppy saves are not fat 32 though
06:29	kaeza	us_0gb, under Puppy everything is stored in a compressed 3fs image
06:29	us_0gb	Does Puppy have a case sensitive file system option? If not, I already know it's not for me without trying it.
06:29	alex256	i like grub for dos better than grub 2
06:29	us_0gb	Oh, so it has cas sensitivity on a case insensitive file system?
06:29	us_0gb	*case
06:29	kaeza	yep
06:30	us_0gb	Okay. I take bake my remarks then.
06:30	kaeza	only when accessing the real disk you are in a case insensitive system
06:30	us_0gb	Why is it on an insesnistive disc?
06:31	kaeza	because frugal install :)
06:31	alex256	i knowi have a piece of crap comp running like champ....thats all that matters to me.
06:31	kaeza	it allows you to "install" puppy along with Windows
06:32	alex256	lol i dont even have windows on my computer
06:32	kaeza	alex256, IKR :)
06:32	kaeza	Intel Celeron @333MHz w/160 MB of RAM
06:32	kaeza	and a 4GB disk
06:32	alex256	tbut iwidows sucks haven't used it  since i figured out linux...now i am never going back
06:32	us_0gb	Yeah, I'd love to erase Windows, but I need it this term for school. But the terms almost up. Then I can erase it.
06:33	us_0gb	I was never a Windows user. I used to be a Mac user, before I tried Linux.
06:33	alex256	ahh microsoft word ehh
06:34	alex256	unix is the boss
06:34	us_0gb	No. I use LibreOffice.
06:34	alex256	for school?
06:35	us_0gb	Yeah, I use LibreOffice for school.
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06:36	us_0gb	One of my cources next term is no Linux administration though.
06:37	us_0gb	Unfortunately, it's a Windows-based school, and sees Linux as not viable for anything but servers ...
06:37	us_0gb	So it's going to be mostly server-related probably.
06:41	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/#2GFuk3Pt
06:41	us_0gb	Okay. That's odd.
06:41	VanessaE	hey wait a second here..
06:42	VanessaE	didn't we agree a while back that non-free no-derivs licenses were not welcome in Mod Releases?
06:42	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5259
06:45	kaeza	VanessaE, according to j4i, he "will relicense after it's done"
06:46	kaeza	Also, us_0gb, http://ifunny.mobi/#lOcRpB9J
06:46	us_0gb	So does that mean it should be moved back untill then?
06:46	us_0gb	Remove the Apple, and that's me!
06:46	VanessaE	dunno, no other forum mods are around to give opinions on it
06:47	us_0gb	I'm not pro-Apple or pro-Linux, just anti-Windows.
06:51	us_0gb	http://ihatewindowsblog.blogspot.com/
06:51	us_0gb	... Outlook ...
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07:30	celeron55	VanessaE: i don't want to try to learn how to do things in punbb
07:31	VanessaE	*shrug* ok
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07:44	sfan5	ShadowNinja: https://github.com/sbp/phenny/blob/master/phenny#L140
07:49	ShadowNinja	Thanks
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09:32	markveidemanis	HI
09:32	us_0gb	Hello.
09:34	markveidemanis	In python, how do i remove all instances of a character in a variable of list?
09:35	markveidemanis	look at my IRC client: http://pastie.org/7159793
09:35	us_0gb	I'm not sure I understand. Is this a list of single characters, and you are removing all instances of one?
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09:36	BOTUSER	Hello!
09:36	us_0gb	Hello.
09:36	markveidemanis	yes, in the response of IRC, it says: ---@freenode*76d9d69*987d97fd987f.sddd(somemoreshit)
09:36	markveidemanis	I need to remove all that, ive done it but need a simpler way
09:37	markveidemanis	PM the bot and il tell you what it says
09:37	us_0gb	You could iterate over the list. There's a better way than that, but I haven't used Python in ages, so I goget how to do it.
09:38	markveidemanis	:us_0gb!~us_0gbc-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #minetest
09:38	markveidemanis	( BOTUSER ) us_0gb: test message
09:38	markveidemanis	:us_0gb!~us_0gbc-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG BOTUSER :test message
09:38	markveidemanis	Uh-oh: i got a PING, what do i do?
09:38	us_0gb	I don't know. Sorry.
09:39	markveidemanis	i need to reply PONG or i get disconnected
09:39	us_0gb	What?
09:39	markveidemanis	Can you come on #mtmt so i dont have to ... spam :D
09:40	thexyz	umm..
09:40	thexyz	i see #mtmt spam
09:40	thexyz	i ban
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09:47	markveidemanis	Hi
09:47	markveidemanis	I have a problem...
09:48	markveidemanis	do i use var.find or if "" in var
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10:38	markveidemanis	If Apple made a car, would it have Windows?
10:40	us_0gb	It would have windows, but not Windows.
10:41	us_0gb	After all, OS X does have application windows.
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10:55	markveidemanis	Get the joke !!! :P
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11:55	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:55	markveidemanis	Hi
11:55	markveidemanis	Can you help with python?
11:56	PilzAdam	this is the wrong channel
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11:56	markveidemanis	Im not asking for help, i need YES/NO
11:56	rubenwardy	hi all
12:02	kaeza	hi ruben
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12:11	markveidemanis	IT WORKS!!!!!
12:11	markveidemanis	sfan5: how do i get him  out now?
12:11	markveidemanis	I want him to leave but stay on freenode
12:12	sfan5	PART
12:12	markveidemanis	k
12:12	sfan5	e.g. PART #minetest
12:12	markveidemanis	can i have more that 1 if statement under an else?
12:13	sfan5	yes
12:13	sfan5	just do:
12:13	sfan5	if abc:
12:13	sfan5	...
12:13	sfan5	elif def:
12:13	sfan5	...
12:13	rarkenin	In what language? Python? C++ proprocessor #if's?
12:13	sfan5	python
12:13	rarkenin	C++ itself? ASM? Brainf*ck?
12:13	rarkenin	Oh, OK.
12:14	sfan5	if's in brainfuck are a bit tricky
12:15	proller	fuuuthon
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12:15	markveidemanis	!part #minetest
12:16	markveidemanis	shit i did PRIVMSG instead of PART
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12:17	markveidemanis	!part minetest
12:17	markveidemanis	!part #minetest
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12:17	markveidemanis	HOORAY !!!!!!!
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12:30	BOTUSER	hello
12:30	BOTUSER	i
12:31	markveidemanis	shit...
12:31	markveidemanis	I need to send all after the '!msg'
12:33	BOTUSER	It-ONLY_Sends-the-first-word-of-the-message
12:33	BOTUSER	how-do-i-fix-this-?
12:33	markveidemanis	if "!msg" in message and nick == "markveidemanis":
12:33	markveidemanis	s.send("PRIVMSG "+message.split()[1]+" "+message.split()[2]+"\n")
12:34	markveidemanis	I see the mistake
12:34	markveidemanis	but i dont know the correct replacement
12:35	kaeza	s.send("PRIVMSG "+message.split()[1]+" "+message.split()[2:]+"\n")
12:35		BOTUSER was kicked by sfan5: bots are not allowed in #minetest
12:36	sfan5	kaeza: you can't do "some text " + ["some", "array"]
12:37	kaeza	well... my python skills are not good :P
12:37	markveidemanis	i can get the bot to message people now
12:38	markveidemanis	kaeza i sent 'hello test'
12:38	markveidemanis	it crashed
12:39	markveidemanis	cannot concatenate str and list
12:39	sfan5	WHAT DID I JUST SAY
12:39	sfan5	geez!
12:40	markveidemanis	can you correct it?
12:40	markveidemanis	: = str(:)   ???
12:40	sfan5	i won't
12:40	sfan5	you said you will get further without help
12:42	markveidemanis	I did not say that
12:42	sfan5	<BOTUSER> but-the-thing-is-i-got-there-and-will-do-so-in-the-future-without-help
12:42	markveidemanis	its not me though is it?
12:42	sfan5	don't lie to me
12:42	sfan5	its your bot that is under your control, so..
12:43	markveidemanis	if len(message.split()) < 2:
12:43	markveidemanis	None
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12:43	markveidemanis	thats the problem
12:45	markveidemanis	message.replace(" ", "-" FIXED IT
12:47	Jordach	markveidemanis, my server is now operative
12:48	markveidemanis	I need to go as soon i have fixed the auto bot
12:48	Jordach	who, Optimus Prime or Bumblebee
12:49	kaeza	lol
12:49	markveidemanis	kaeza i sent ' hello there kaeza'
12:49	markveidemanis	gtg byr
12:49	markveidemanis	bye
12:49	Jordach	i could probably make my own Python IRC Client in a day
12:59	sfan5	oh.. hai Jordach
12:59	Jordach	sfan5, afternoon
12:59	* Jordach	woke up about 12:30PM
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13:12	Infinity_69	Hi
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13:16	kaeza	hello sparky
13:16	STHGOM	hahah hello goodbye
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13:27	dante123	!up minetest.info.tm
13:27	MinetestBot	minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (0.604ms)
13:27	Jordach	dante123, is your school on easter holiday by chance?
13:27	dante123	yes
13:27	Jordach	same here
13:27	dante123	but im sure kids will be in today
13:27	dante123	playing
13:27	Jordach	anyways, i made my own server for building
13:28	Jordach	!up jordachscity.tk
13:28	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.308ms)
13:28	dante123	okay, well i might direct my daugher there to play....she likes to build
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13:33	Jordach	heres my bandwidth usage in the last hour for jordachscity http://94.249.200.2:5353/graphs/__client/__65281/_bandwidth_835e267069fbdf42e4c5f99897cfe811-786c39b23b6b7c9fa3f1dc5a675510ff.png
13:34	PilzAdam	Jordach, how many players were on?
13:34	Jordach	average of 2-3 clients
13:35	Jordach	i have a 20MB line, so this can handle about 100 clients
13:42	Exio	not found
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13:45	Jordach	Exio, they dont last long
13:45	Jordach	Exio, http://94.249.200.2:5353/graphs/__client/__65281/_bandwidth_76b2dc1dd9e3e1d92bdd942f79843806-9bb69f81bfa3d3522e8a35c373a89b5e.png
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13:48	Exio	how is the hostname?
13:49	Jordach	Exio, it works for all now
13:50	Jordach	DNS has completely propagated
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13:50	Jordach	My server aims to be the first mega city spawl in Minetest, and also aims for the Guiness Gaming Book of REcords
13:51	Exio	and what is the hostname, because i can't recall it? :P
13:51	Jordach	!up jordachscity.tk
13:51	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.388ms)
13:51	Exio	ok, :P
13:51	onpon4	Hey, people have usually been having a hard time connecting to my server; you usually time out when you try, though I can connect just fine on the local network it's on. Can anyone think of why this would happen?
13:52	Exio	do you have  your router properly configured?
13:52	onpon4	Yes. The computer it's on has a local IP address of 192.168.2.2, and that's where port 30000 (both TCP and UDP) is being forwarded.
13:53	onpon4	It's not consistent; rarely, someone will successfully connect.
13:55	Jordach	Exio, are you anton on jordachscity?
13:55	Exio	nope
13:56	Exio	i'm searching a clean -git release in my ~/
13:56	onpon4	For example, right now I'm away from the local network. Yesterday (also away from the local network), I connected just fine, but just now, I waited a minute or so and cot no connection.
13:56	onpon4	*got
14:10	Exio	meh, i will connect later
14:10	Exio	too lazy for git clone other time (with this network it is 30~40 minutes downloading)
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14:14	Jordach	dante123, i do believe your client has timed out
14:17	sfan5	any beta testers for a musicd( http://tsundere.fi/musicd/ ) debian package?
14:17	Jordach	i think tomorrow i might have a electro house night
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14:19	beka	!up jordachscity.tk
14:19	Jordach	beka, your client disconnected, rejoin
14:19	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.403ms)
14:19	beka	ok hang on....computer locked up for some reason
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14:21	Jordach	hey Traxie21|Kindle
14:21	Traxie21|Kindle	*poke*
14:21	Traxie21|Kindle	Hia
14:22	Traxie21|Kindle	slow day?
14:23	Traxie21|Kindle	Is there a way to tell minetest to look in a different directory for mods?
14:24	Traxie21|Kindle	I talk too mich :I
14:24	Traxie21|Kindle	*much lol
14:26	Traxie21|Kindle	with this many people on IRC, I'd expect to not be the only one talking....
14:27	Traxie21|Kindle	hmm
14:27	Traxie21|Kindle	Jordach, PilzAdam, VanessaE, kaeza, Taoki
14:27	Jordach	yes
14:28	kaeza	wha
14:28	Traxie21|Kindle	you have your sound on XD
14:28	beka	why a shut down
14:28	Jordach	beka, installing new mods
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14:29	beka	ooooooh ok cool
14:29	Traxie21|Kindle	kaeza, just testing who has their sound on :3
14:29	kaeza	Traxie21|Kindle, sound?
14:29	beka	im putting my sound on in a sec
14:29	kaeza	O_o
14:29	Traxie21|Kindle	boop when your name is mentioned in IRC
14:30	PilzAdam	Traxie21|Kindle, hm?
14:30	kaeza	Traxie21|Kindle, desktop notifications? taskbar flashing?
14:30	Traxie21|Kindle	course, it could be several other things, but the sound always gets my attention
14:30	kaeza	Traxie21|Kindle, BTW, I don't jave sound on my IRC client lol
14:30	Traxie21|Kindle	taskbar flashes?
14:30	kaeza	-j+h
14:31	Traxie21|Kindle	well, it was a fair guess
14:32	Jordach	SERVER ONLINE IN 10 MINS
14:32	beka	sweet
14:32	Traxie21|Kindle	CityBuild?
14:32	beka	yea
14:32	Traxie21|Kindle	nice
14:32	beka	well we are building a city
14:32	Traxie21|Kindle	How long did it take to get your host1free server?
14:33	Traxie21|Kindle	took like 2 weeks for mine
14:33	beka	O_o
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14:33	beka	thats a long  time
14:33	Traxie21|Kindle	yea
14:34	Traxie21|Kindle	chunkhost still hasnt gotten back to me XD
14:34	beka	:O
14:35	Traxie21|Kindle	Minetest seems really low RAM serverside
14:36	Traxie21|Kindle	128MB can handle 18+ players
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14:37	Jordach	Traxie21|Kindle, one day for me
14:37	Traxie21|Kindle	lucky
14:38	Traxie21|Kindle	do you have an auto-restart script?
14:38	beka	what kind of mods are u installibng
14:38	Traxie21|Kindle	without one, the server will shutdown when it runs out of RAM
14:39	beka	:O:O:O:O:O
14:39	Traxie21|Kindle	beka: MiniTest, ServerExtended, Slime, ButterCreepers, Blockmens mods, a couble of 0gb.ux's
14:40	beka	how much longer till we play and COOOOOL
14:41	Traxie21|Kindle	Jordach, is Unified inev installed?
14:41	Jordach	nope
14:42	Traxie21|Kindle	creative or survival?
14:42	Jordach	ONLINE
14:42	beka	:I
14:42	Traxie21|Kindle	Shit, Im not going to work for hours...
14:43	beka	...
14:44	Traxie21|Kindle	Jordach, what kind of city is it? is there a theme or plan? is it creative or survival?
14:44	Jordach	creative
14:44	Jordach	build till you dro
14:44	Jordach	drop*
14:44	beka	should we lvl out everything
14:44	beka	for the city
14:44	Traxie21|Kindle	beka, not thats boring
14:45	Traxie21|Kindle	flow with the land
14:45	beka	ok
14:45	beka	just wondering
14:45	Traxie21|Kindle	build roads first, then buildings
14:45	beka	yea
14:46	Traxie21|Kindle	make the roads kind of curvy at places, for atmosphere
14:46	beka	how many buildings and what are they goona be
14:46	Traxie21|Kindle	</vetran M city designer>
14:47	beka	should we put up signs to lable were we are putting each building???
14:47	Traxie21|Kindle	idk
14:47	Traxie21|Kindle	Lol, I'm not the directpr, I'm just bored
14:47	beka	same
14:47	Traxie21|Kindle	*director
14:48	Jordach	beka, its common sense, and the server is now online again
14:48	Traxie21|Kindle	Ask Jordach
14:50	Traxie21|Kindle	luh, looah, looh, looa, lowah, louah, How do you pronounce LUA?
14:50	Jordach	loo-uh
14:50	beka	idk
14:50	Traxie21|Kindle	kape
14:52	Traxie21|Kindle	How does lua pronounce you?
14:52	Jordach	like this: 1001010011101010101110110010010010011111101010001010101
14:52	beka	idk
14:52	kaeza	Traxie21|Kindle, loo-ah
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14:53	IceCraft	Hi
14:53	Jordach	hey IceCraft
14:53	Jordach	IceCraft, check my cloak :D
14:53	Traxie21|Kindle	Hi FrozenArt!
14:53	kaeza	lol
14:54	IceCraft	Okay
14:55	Traxie21|Kindle	Yako
14:55	Kray	how about just lua
14:55	Traxie21|Kindle	I am overbored
14:56	Traxie21|Kindle	Joke------------*You are here-----------------------Punchline
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15:03	rubenwardy	hi all
15:04	Traxie21|Kindle	hia
15:04	Jordach	VanessaE, people are LOVING YOUR HOME DECOR MOD
15:17	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Don't replace existing nodes in singlenode mapgen b0f39da131 2013-03-29T08:15:49-07:00 http://git.io/tj0z4A
15:18	RealBadAngel	people sings: hey! ho!
15:18	RealBadAngel	;)
15:18	RealBadAngel	hi all
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15:22	kaeza	hey RBA
15:22	kaeza	how's it going?
15:22	Jordach	@Minetest JOIN jordachscity.tk (everybodies here!)
15:26	kaeza	client crash :(
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15:30	kaeza	Jordach, I can haz interact?
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15:32	Jordach	NekoGloop, cmon down, were overdriving my server
15:32	NekoGloop	Ah, sorry, I've got stuff to do
15:33	Jordach	aw man
15:36	NekoGloop	I'm actually trying to fix technical problems with my minecraft server.
15:37	NekoGloop	Overnight it just went to hell.
15:37	NekoGloop	The hardware seems to have just taken a shit on the server.
15:37	kaeza	awww sorry Jordach. I'm having too much lag
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15:43	sam__	beka here, switching computers.....
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15:51	IceCraft	Jordach it laggs a little bit.
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15:58	Jordach	IceCraft, that would be expecteed
15:58	Jordach	expected*
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16:02	Jordach	sam__, tunnel is complete#
16:03	Jordach	Construction of Palisades Mall under construction
16:14	Jordach	shit
16:14	Jordach	client died
16:19	Jordach	sfan5, the use of the checkered obsidian indicates theres a major route
16:19	Jordach	going through a building
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16:21	* rubenwardy	is making a terrain generator in scratch
16:21	rubenwardy	because I can
16:22	Jordach	rubenwardy, http://scratch.mit.edu/users/jordach
16:22	Jordach	already beat you there
16:22	rubenwardy	mine will be better
16:22	Jordach	mine has biom,es
16:22	Jordach	biomes*
16:23	rubenwardy	mine has a character that walks on blocks, and the world scrolls
16:23	rubenwardy	basically like territa or what ever it is called
16:25	rubenwardy	It uses multi-dimensional lists
16:25	rubenwardy	and so you can dig blocks
16:25	jordan4ibanez	that'd be cool rubenwardy
16:25	jordan4ibanez	just set mapgen aliases to nothing
16:25	rubenwardy	and it knows where every block is
16:26	rubenwardy	lol, all air
16:27	rubenwardy	at the moment my actual generator is just sin(position)+5
16:27	rubenwardy	but I will be adding a real biome generator when I finish doing the player
16:27	rubenwardy	anyways...
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16:29	jordan4ibanez	So I was thinking and thinking and thinking
16:29	jordan4ibanez	I created a way to super optimize mapgen
16:29	jordan4ibanez	not mapgen, surface node generation
16:31	rubenwardy	http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/ScratchMapGen_1.png
16:31	rubenwardy	takes 1 second to render from scratch
16:31	hmmmm	i have found the cure for world hunger:  http://i.imgur.com/qjjlkGm.gif
16:32	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, it seems like the overlaying of the grass doesnt support alpha channel
16:32	rubenwardy	yeah
16:32	hmmmm	mannnnn where is calinou when we need him
16:33	PilzAdam	hmmmm, do you have a high res version of this? :-)
16:33	hmmmm	lol
16:37	rubenwardy	Mapgen for screen size: 8 secs.
16:37	rubenwardy	Rendering from scratch: 1 sec.
16:37	rubenwardy	DrawQueue: 0.1 sec.
16:37	rubenwardy	EditQueue: 0.1 sec.
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16:37	rubenwardy	any news?
16:38	rubenwardy	(Jordach's one takes 12 seconds to mapgen)
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16:38	jordan4ibanez	can I do a for statement from a higher to lower number?
16:38	rubenwardy	language?
16:39	rubenwardy	for(int a=10;a>0;a--){}
16:39	rubenwardy	in c++/c
16:40	jordan4ibanez	lua......................dot................
16:40	PilzAdam	for i=10,5,-1 do
16:41	jordan4ibanez	Okay I was just wondering if it was possible
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16:44	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam want to try my surface finder? Well in a couple minutes when I do some final tests
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16:44	Jordach	markveidemanis, come on down if you want
16:45	markveidemanis	I have to fix this IRC bot im making
16:45	markveidemanis	Would it be possible for a bot to control a minetest server with the IRC_commands mod?
16:48	jordan4ibanez	also, pilzadam, what is the chunk size that on_generated uses?
16:48	jordan4ibanez	16x16?
16:50	PilzAdam	the mapgenerator generates 5 blocks with 16x16x16 nodes each
16:50	PilzAdam	so its 80x80x80
16:52	hmmmm	it's 16^3 * chunksize^3
16:52	hmmmm	you can set chunksize to anything you'd like, as long as it's greater than 0
16:53	hmmmm	by default, it happens to be 5
16:53	hmmmm	a larger chunksize will give you more clay thanks to the asstarded way clay generates in the default on_generate()
16:54	Jordach	hmmmm, clay is rare enough, and some places need more
16:55	markveidemanis	Can someone help with my python...
16:55	markveidemanis	s.send("PRIVMSG "+message.split()[1]+" "+message.split()[2])+"\n"
16:55	PilzAdam	markveidemanis, wrong channel
16:56	hmmmm	should ask a girl to do that
16:56	markveidemanis	it will be !msg <channel, name> + MESSAGE
16:56	markveidemanis	I need the message to be more that 1 word
16:56	markveidemanis	message.split()[so maybe have smth in here])+"\n"
17:02	markveidemanis	Jordach
17:02	Jordach	better
17:05	Jordach	markveidemanis, concatenate words
17:07	jordan4ibanez	bbl
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17:13	rarkenin	Is enable_rollback_recording = true enough to allow rollback?
17:14	PilzAdam	yes
17:14	PilzAdam	but it doesnt perform good
17:15	rarkenin	OK.
17:18	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix last singlenode modification 5b854f95d2 2013-03-29T10:18:09-07:00 http://git.io/WYT1gg
17:20	Jordach	bbiab
17:24	hmmmm	http://ompldr.org/vaHhibw
17:24	hmmmm	...they had to put me in a pure white padded room with indestructable nodes...
17:25	hmmmm	i'm CRAZY i tell ya
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17:28	webdesigner97	hi
17:28	Kacey	hi
17:30	webdesigner97	I just saw that there's a new page /extends.php occured on minetest.net :)
17:30	webdesigner97	*extend.php
17:32	webdesigner97	i like it ;)
17:32	hmmmm	aand here we go http://ompldr.org/vaHhidQ
17:32	hmmmm	FINISHED
17:32	hmmmm	my first world in minecraft, ported over to minetest
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17:33	webdesigner97	hi ruben!
17:33	celeron55	hmmmm: not bad
17:35	hmmmm	yeah, and looking at the terrain a bit closer, i don't think they originally used *perlin* noise, or at least didn't smooth it out with easeCurve(), or something like that
17:37	rubenwardy	hi
17:39	Jordach	I WORKED OUT WHY THE NODE REPLACE BUG HAPPENDS
17:41	hmmmm	jordach, why?
17:42	Jordach	hmmmm, i spotted it on my server
17:42	Jordach	you know node prediction
17:42	hmmmm	yesssss
17:42	Jordach	it happened, but node prediction stopped it
17:42	Jordach	it seemingly realised it wasnt C_I
17:42	Jordach	(content ignore)
17:42	hmmmm	it's not because of content_ignore being buildable_to, i tried setting that to fault
17:42	hmmmm	s/fault/false/
17:42	hmmmm	and it still happened
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17:44	PilzAdam	hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/574
17:44	markveidemanis	Can i run an IRC bot on andriod?
17:45	Jordach	nope.
17:45	markveidemanis	*Android...
17:45	hmmmm	mmmm.... i'm telling you.... it's not buildable_to, i tried it already
17:45	hmmmm	PilzAdam, did you verify that fix works?
17:45	PilzAdam	nope
17:46	hmmmm	this might work though because it doesn't do exactly the same thing
17:46	hmmmm	i say we merge it and find out
17:46	bas080	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79863#p79863
17:46	PilzAdam	can you merge it? im busy
17:47	hmmmm	sure
17:47	Traxie21	Jordach: This is the script to be called by init.sh
17:47	Traxie21	http://pastebin.com/FCAghbx9
17:47	rarkenin	Is there a reliable way we can test this?
17:47	hmmmm	you just run around and place nodes underneath you like a madman
17:48	rarkenin	The problem is pretty rare, and we risk missing it and releasing something stated to work.
17:48	Jordach	Traxie21, whats disable unittests
17:48	Traxie21	not sure, but it seems to make the server faster :3
17:48	rarkenin	Maybe develop a set of usecases? Or a setting to cause more such engine failures for testing?
17:49	Traxie21	Jordach: This is init.sh, which is what you should run
17:49	Traxie21	http://pastebin.com/f7bSxJdr
17:49	hmmmm	--disable-unittests is necessary to run minetest in debug mode, for some reason something screwed up with the networking and it won't pass a unittest but it appears to not be a bug
17:49	hmmmm	it doesn't make "the server faster" or anything
17:50	Jordach	server down for maintainence
17:50	Traxie21	oke
17:50	markveidemanis	Jordach...
17:51	markveidemanis	Is it possible to make a bot for the IRC_COMMANDS mod that controls the server automatically?
17:53	Jordach	Traxie21, so where do i stick em
17:53	Traxie21	Anywhere, as long as init.sh points to start.sh
17:53	VanessaE	[03-29 11:04] <Jordach> VanessaE, people are LOVING YOUR HOME DECOR MOD
17:53	VanessaE	Yep I know, I've been trying to make it good, and kaeza has been a great help in that regard.
17:53	Traxie21	and start.sh points to minetestserver
17:56	VanessaE	afternoon all.
17:57	Kacey	it's noon here
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18:09	webdesigner97	hi again
18:09	mauvebic	howdy
18:09	webdesigner97	I need some help with a nodebox I'm making...
18:09	Jordach	Traxie21, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5658865/
18:09	webdesigner97	Hope I can explain it:
18:10	webdesigner97	I made a nodebox, which consists of 4 boxes:
18:10	Jordach	improved: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5658871/
18:10	Calinou	of course
18:10	Calinou	cd /
18:10	Calinou	cd /home/jordach/Desktop/minetest-master/bin
18:10	Calinou	useless®
18:11	webdesigner97	{-0.5,-0.5,-0.5,-0.4,0.5,0.5},
18:11	webdesigner97	{-0.5,-0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.5,-0.4},
18:11	webdesigner97	{0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.4,0.5,-0.5},
18:11	webdesigner97	{0.5,-0.5,0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.4}
18:11	Calinou	"cd /home/jordach/Desktop/minetest-master/bin" is an absolute path
18:11	Calinou	so no need to cd /
18:11	webdesigner97	and now the last 2 ones aren't walkable while the first ones are walkable
18:11	hmmmm	hey calinou, how are the ores coming?
18:11	Jordach	so actually put that path in " "
18:12	webdesigner97	maybe I should give you an image about what I mean...
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18:13	Calinou	webdesigner97: you went backwards
18:13	Calinou	it's a glitch :P and a nicely exploitable one
18:13	Calinou	always go forwards in nodebox defs
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18:13	Calinou	eg. from 0, 0, 0 to 0.5, 0.5, 0.5
18:13	Calinou	not the inverse
18:13	webdesigner97	oh
18:14	webdesigner97	ok, I'll try to fix it :D
18:14	Calinou	hmmmm: I'll make a separate version of moreores for those using git
18:14	Calinou	we need a way to detect current minetest version :(
18:15	hmmmm	yea about that
18:15	hmmmm	can we tell if a certain node is registered already?
18:15	mauvebic	registered_nodes
18:15	rubenwardy	PilzAdam, Jordach, jordan4ibanez: http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/ScratchMapGen_2.png
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18:15	hmmmm	exactly
18:16	hmmmm	so we check if the ore node is registered already
18:16	hmmmm	if it is, then it must be a new version, so don't bother adding those ores
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18:16	VanessaE	there's another way...
18:16	PilzAdam	Calinou, if minetest.registered_nodes["default:stone_with_gold"] then
18:16	webdesigner97	so what do I need to change in {0.4,0.5,-0.5,0.5,-0.5,0.5} ? :)
18:17	VanessaE	aside from detecting the existence of a node, you can also look for the existence of a texture file for it, or do what I do with my homedecor doors and check for the existence of some random function that was added around the same time as the nodes.
18:17	mauvebic	{0.4,-0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5}
18:17	mauvebic	smaller numbwe
18:17	Calinou	PilzAdam: haha
18:17	Calinou	why not :P
18:17	mauvebic	*smaller numbers first
18:18	VanessaE	(right click to open detects the presence of some ore-related function I think it was)
18:18	webdesigner97	oh, smaller numbers first..... ok :D
18:20	webdesigner97	thx, now it works fine :)
18:21	sfan5	Jordach: is your server up again?
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18:21	Jordach	sfan5, no, im working on some bash so if the server dies, it keeps alive
18:22	VanessaE	Jordach: while true; do sleep 1; minetestserver --blah --foo --bar ; done
18:22	us_0gb	Sounds good.
18:22	VanessaE	no need to overcomplicate it :-)
18:23	MinetestBot	GIT: 0gb-us commited to minetest/minetest: Fix node replacement in not-quite-loaded chunks 02cbb58107 2013-03-29T11:18:51-07:00 http://git.io/EzdnbA
18:23	us_0gb	YES!!
18:23	VanessaE	sweet
18:24	VanessaE	recompile! --->
18:24	us_0gb	Oh, I though that was pulled or something. It isn't.
18:24	Jordach	how does one end a bash script
18:24	VanessaE	Jordach: exit 0
18:24	VanessaE	(or exit 1 if you want to signal an error)
18:24	Jordach	VanessaE, heres the code; http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-290313-182440.php
18:25	us_0gb	What was that announcement about my commit then, if it hasn't been accepted yet?
18:25	Jordach	us_0gb, your pull request just got merged
18:25	Calinou	it works :D
18:25	VanessaE	us_0gb: someone probably cherry-picked it and merged it.
18:26	us_0gb	When I go to Github, it says the pull request is still open though ....
18:26	Jordach	VanessaE, is your code in bash form?
18:26	VanessaE	Jordach: that little one-liner?  that's valid bash, yes.
18:26	VanessaE	I use something substantially similar on my own server.
18:26	Jordach	does it have to be in the /bin/ folder of the server?
18:26	Calinou	moreores now uses C++ ore gen when possible
18:26	Calinou	faster :p
18:27	VanessaE	and...new builds are up.
18:27	Jordach	VanessaE, can you paste me that code?
18:27	Jordach	for your dead app switch
18:27	us_0gb	Okay. It looks like my code was pulld, but somehow, my pull request is still open ...?
18:27	Jordach	someone forgot to close it
18:27	VanessaE	Jordach: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5658919/
18:28	Calinou	people, please test the new moreores with git and 0.4.5 to see if it works
18:28	Calinou	(and if the ores are not too common or too rare)
18:28	* Calinou	feels like a modern ISP
18:28	us_0gb	I thought is auto-cloesed. It always auto-closes when I accept pull requests.
18:28	* Kacey	doesnt like the diamond update...
18:28	Calinou	telling people to test stuff
18:28	VanessaE	Calinou: deployed to my server.
18:29	us_0gb	Oh, well. Might as well ignore the irrelevant, and close it myself. I hate that bug, and now it's gone. Yay!
18:29	celeron55	us_0gb: people don't tend to use github's features for merging pull requests
18:29	celeron55	github pollutes the commit history with merge commits
18:30	us_0gb	Okay. How do they do it then?
18:30	celeron55	manually using git remote and git cherry-pick or rebase or so
18:30	celeron55	there are many ways
18:31	Jordach	VanessaE, nano keeps inserting a newline for no damn good reason
18:31	celeron55	anything that ends up with your commit directly on top of the previous commits :P
18:31	Exio	Jordach: -cxw
18:31	Exio	(nano -cxw <file>)
18:31	Jordach	just did that
18:32	Jordach	the bash file is in DOS
18:32	VanessaE	Jordach: bash doesn't care about newlines usually.
18:32	Exio	tr -d '\r' script.bash.dos-end-of-lines > script.bash.unix-end-of-lines
18:32	Jordach	unexpected end of file
18:32	Exio	in that case, it is not about the \r\n
18:32	hmmmm	hmm
18:32	Exio	or the enters, it is just a "layer8" problem ;P
18:32	hmmmm	us_0gb, do you have an email in particular you'd like to be contacted by?
18:33	us_0gb	0gb.us0gb.us is fine. All my other email addresses dump into that account, anyway.
18:34	sfan5	thats the first mail i've seen that matches ([^@]+)@\1
18:35	us_0gb	I know, right? Coolest. Address. Ever.
18:35	Jordach	Exio, only one string may be given when deleting without squeezing repeats
18:36	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update Credits tab c9135dee60 2013-03-29T11:35:35-07:00 http://git.io/F9Gt_A
18:37	Kacey	ok i am looking through stuff and it occured to me.
18:37	Kacey	PilzAdam is slowly making Minetest into MineCraft
18:37	hmmmm	right, it's totally him and not anybody else 8)
18:37	VanessaE	Jordach: my little script also has the advantage that I can `sudo killall minetestserver` from anywhere to restart it.
18:38	Kacey	well everyone else is trying to make minetest individual
18:38	hmmmm	it already is, minecraft doesn't have mese, silver, copper, bronze
18:38	Jordach	it keeps writing it as DOS format
18:38	mauvebic	no matter what changes are made to minetest_Game people will complain because theyve been used to it not changing at all over long periods :p
18:38	hmmmm	the obsidian is a different (neater looking) texture
18:39	hmmmm	instead of portals we have stargates
18:39	hmmmm	etc.
18:39	VanessaE	Jordach: weird.  Still, it shouldn't matter
18:39	sfan5	Jordach: dos2unix
18:39	mauvebic	i think where it gets a bit ridiculous is when a feature is so obivously a duplicate but we just change the name to make it look different lol
18:39	Kacey	PilzAdam is the one who added diamond and gold (both mc ores) and made mese more rare (uugh) obsidian (which i am ok with) and other stuff like the cobble texture (i think) ans then he says he isnt copying mc
18:40	hmmmm	minetest is clearly a minecraft clone
18:40	hmmmm	that's how it was intended
18:40	mauvebic	you have gold and diamonds in most games, MC didn't invent those :p
18:40	* sfan5	agrees with mauvebic
18:40	Calinou	<hmmmm> minetest is clearly a minecraft clone => finally someone admits it
18:40	hmmmm	and yeah, adding a lot of the things we do isn't copying because it's so common
18:40	Calinou	it's like saying minetest should be 4D because 3D is soo old
18:40	* Kacey	is going to go play 0.4dev or something
18:41	hmmmm	but in spirit it was intended to be a free minecraft, at least at the beginning
18:41	Jordach	1) We either remove PA's push ability
18:41	Jordach	2) WE monitor every new feature
18:41	Kacey	The Cloud Background is another thing in common
18:41	hmmmm	wow pilzadam is really unpopular :(
18:41	Calinou	or enable hyperthreading to fix PA
18:41	Calinou	hmmmm: just like pulseaudio :p
18:41	hmmmm	yeah except poettering makes shit software
18:42	mauvebic	people will get over it (or write mods to fix it back)
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18:42	mauvebic	lua changes are hardly permanent
18:42	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update Credits tab 6731dbf994 2013-03-29T11:42:21-07:00 http://git.io/Dqc3nA
18:43	Calinou	hmmmm: don't you use systemd? :P
18:43	us_0gb	Calinou, did you write diamonds, or just moreores?
18:43	mauvebic	im usually more concerned with engine changes since obviously alot of us can't reverse those if we dont like it
18:43	PilzAdam	hmmmm, I dont care about these people, I make a good game, thats all
18:43	Calinou	us_0gb: just moreores
18:43	v2px	grep MinetestBot
18:43	v2px	oops
18:43	Calinou	hmmmm: his software is fine imo, just configure it properly
18:43	Calinou	my opinion :)
18:43	sfan5	MinetestBot: wtf?! you already posted that a minute ago
18:43	sfan5	--
18:44	sfan5	oh.. different commit hash
18:44	celeron55	lol poettering
18:44	hmmmm	er
18:44	VanessaE	um...
18:44	Calinou	just noticed
18:44	hmmmm	sfan, yeah i modified history
18:44	sfan5	i just noticed that
18:44	hmmmm	i needed to change a hyphen to a dot, and it was well within 10 minutes
18:44	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update Credits tab 3640c8c051 2013-03-29T11:43:47-07:00 http://git.io/88KGzw
18:44	sfan5	again?
18:45	hmmmm	er yeah, i did it twice on accident.  but whatever
18:45	v2px	:D
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18:45	hmmmm	i amended it without adding the file
18:45	celeron55	do it once more, just because
18:45	hmmmm	whatever it's FIXED
18:45	hmmmm	calinou, i don't use systemd, systemd is ridiculous
18:46	hmmmm	besides, systemd is linux-only
18:46	Jordach	server online with repeating boot
18:46	sfan5	yay
18:46	Jordach	i just /shutdown to test the water
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18:47	Jordach	it does work
18:47	Jordach	HEHE
18:47	hmmmm	so wait, minecraft has a cloud background?
18:48	hmmmm	well, whatever.... the beauty of minetest is that if you don't like it, you can change it!
18:48	hmmmm	don't like the new ores?
18:48	hmmmm	remove the register_ore lines!
18:48	hmmmm	don't like the cloud background?  menu_clouds = false!
18:49	sfan5	Jordach: you have too many mods, minetest tries to generate all the inventory images and then crashes because it ran out of video memory
18:49	Jordach	sfan5, huh?
18:49	Calinou	hmmmm: don't like the game? delete it!
18:49	Calinou	:P
18:49	sfan5	that happens when i try to join your server
18:50	hmmmm	well i wouldn't go THAT far....
18:50	* us_0gb	is back
18:51	* us_0gb	wishes his server would play nicely with its NIC
18:52	* sfan5	wishes some important person had a twitter account password that doesn't match .+
18:53	sfan5	!up jordachscity.tk
18:53	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 seems to be down
18:53	us_0gb	You want blank passwords? That sounds like a bad idea ....
18:54	sfan5	!up jordachscity.tk
18:54	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 seems to be down
18:54	* us_0gb	checks public list
18:54	Jordach	!up jordachscity.tk
18:54	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.144ms)
18:55	sfan5	!up jordachscity.tk
18:55	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.138ms)
18:55	Jordach	worldedit ONLINE
18:55	sfan5	ahh
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19:10	Todolev	hello
19:10	us_0gb	Hello.
19:10	Todolev	when i installed a texture pack how i enable this texture
19:11	us_0gb	There's a line you need to add to minetest.conf.
19:11	us_0gb	I forget what line, I'll look it up.
19:12	us_0gb	texture_path = /path/to/texture/directory
19:12	us_0gb	Make it point to wherever you installed the texture pack.
19:16	Todolev	thanks
19:16	Todolev	need test
19:16	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add different place sound for nodes 5e7e0347cd 2013-03-29T12:14:18-07:00 http://git.io/jLd2gw
19:20	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/common: Add default place sound 4d95634e52 2013-03-29T08:56:18-07:00 http://git.io/T5B6UQ
19:22	PilzAdam	proller, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79905#p79905
19:24	Kacey	VanessaE, are you around?
19:25	PilzAdam	when was the node replacement bug introduced?
19:25	PilzAdam	before 0.4.5?
19:27	proller	PilzAdam, how favoriteservers must work? where add to it button?
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19:28	PilzAdam	proller, what?
19:28	proller	how to add server to favorites? without direct editing
19:28	PilzAdam	just connect
19:29	PilzAdam	(to any server)
19:29	proller	ok
19:29	STHGOM	bye
19:30	proller	i think favorite list must be in path near minetest.conf
19:31	PilzAdam	well, in my linux build everything works fine with the default settings, but in my win builds and in other peoples Linux builds it doesnt
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19:33	us_0gb	What doesn't work?
19:34	PilzAdam	the file only contains the most recent connected server and the GUI doesnt show any entries
19:34	us_0gb	Aside from client crashes, everything seems to work on my Linux build.
19:34	us_0gb	Hmm. That is odd.
19:34	us_0gb	And this is the latest Github version?
19:36	Kacey	just added a craft for autocrafter
19:36	PilzAdam	yea, a few commits before
19:37	PilzAdam	but the last change in the code for it were by proller
19:37	VanessaE	Kacey: uberi already did that.
19:37	VanessaE	autocrafter has a recipe now.
19:37	Kacey	of corse
19:37	Kacey	i like mine though
19:38	Kacey	course*^^
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19:40	us_0gb	Does the file have the wrong permissions?
19:40	Kacey	https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/pull/22
19:40	PilzAdam	us_0gb, no, the most recent server is written correctly to it
19:40	VanessaE	Kacey: your copy of pipeworks is out of date, and I've already got a recipe I want to use.
19:40	us_0gb	Oh, right.
19:41	webdesigner97	guys, I need your opinion (just 1 min)
19:41	webdesigner97	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79908#p79908
19:41	us_0gb	Those look nice.
19:42	VanessaE	not bad, webdesigner97 but I don't think it should be red, and it should be nodebox-based.
19:42	VanessaE	so that it has 'thickness'.
19:42	webdesigner97	it has nodeboxes
19:42	VanessaE	oh wait
19:42	VanessaE	you're right
19:42	webdesigner97	latest post :D
19:42	VanessaE	couldn't see it initially, not enough contrast :)
19:43	webdesigner97	the red colour = rust ;)
19:43	VanessaE	guess I'll have to update HDX then :-)
19:44	webdesigner97	if you want to :) The new version isn't released yet, but I expect to release it during the next week
19:44	Todolev	VanessaE:  hi vanessa
19:44	VanessaE	hi
19:45	Jordach	Todolev, since youre a fedora dev, make an OS that brings me the latest of cats
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19:46	Todolev	Jordach: im not fedora dev
19:46	Jordach	im jokinh
19:46	Jordach	joking
19:48	Todolev	Jordach: i help in translation to spanish and publiciy
19:48	Todolev	Jordach: publicity
19:50	Jordach	sfan5, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-290313-195002.php
19:50	Jordach	never go afk in front of me :P
19:50	sfan5	Jordach: :(
19:51	Jordach	sfan5, no one did the joke yet, so im having first dibs
19:52	sfan5	<sfan5> *maximizes window* <sfan5.minetest[instance]> *runs out of memory*
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19:56	Jordach	sfan5, i even have more memory than you apparently
19:56	sfan5	ok, i won't be able to join your server in fullscreen mode
19:56	Calinou	what server :P
19:56	Calinou	hi
19:56	Jordach	sfan5, i've just seen the most evil bug ever
19:56	sfan5	!up jordachscity.tk
19:56	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.242ms)
19:57	sfan5	^ Calinou
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19:58	Calinou	:O on sunrisetest, I collide with slimes
19:58	Calinou	^ lots of potential
19:58	Calinou	platforms/elevators
19:58	Calinou	though elevators would probably need a fix to make them work upwards
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19:59	Calinou	heh, I spam walking sound when I'm on the slime
19:59	Calinou	erm, it works
19:59	Calinou	if I'm on the slime, I jump with it
19:59	Calinou	not always though
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20:06	sfan5	shit!shit!
20:06	sfan5	shit!
20:06	sfan5	Jordach: shut down your server! now!
20:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	What?
20:06	sfan5	i accidently worldedit
20:06	jojoa1997|Tablet	What is happening
20:06	us_0gb	Hey, Jojoa.
20:07	jojoa1997|Tablet	Hi
20:07	VanessaE	OH SHIT!
20:07	VanessaE	:)
20:07	jojoa1997|Tablet	What
20:07	* jojoa1997|Tablet	confused
20:07	VanessaE	sfan5: I hope he has backups
20:07	Calinou	yep, jordach's server lagged out
20:07	Calinou	sfan5: suggestion: add preventions for huge worldedits
20:07	VanessaE	jojoa1997|Tablet: shut it down before the command completes!
20:07	Calinou	and timeout of selection maybe
20:07	VanessaE	Jordach: ^^^^^
20:07	Calinou	(eg. no selection in 5 mins = timeout)
20:08	Calinou	Jordach: spy's sapping your map :P
20:08	sfan5	its going to take some time until that accident is "completed"
20:08	VanessaE	stupid tab complete
20:08	VanessaE	do what I mean, not what I say damn it :)
20:08	jojoa1997|Tablet	I think there should be an multi player game with protections like us_0gb claim mod and better pvp
20:09	us_0gb	My claims need engine changes before they become viable enough for a default game.
20:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	Pilzadam
20:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	Ping pong
20:09	PilzAdam	hm?
20:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	Ok
20:09	jojoa1997|Tablet	So
20:10	jojoa1997|Tablet	I will be editing Minetest a lot to be more like minecraft
20:10	jojoa1997|Tablet	So you will see a giant pull request or I will send you a download of it
20:10	PilzAdam	pull request is better
20:10	jojoa1997|Tablet	K
20:10	jojoa1997|Tablet	And
20:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	The Minetest mod will be completely redone due to changes I. Common
20:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	Like mess is gold and the swords a will be redone
20:11	jojoa1997|Tablet	Also I will redefine brass stuff to nothing
20:12	PilzAdam	the plan is to not include default from common but do it all in the minitest mod
20:12	jojoa1997|Tablet	Yeah but
20:12	jojoa1997|Tablet	You need dwfault
20:12	mauvebic	so youre dropping common or ?
20:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	It is better to redefine not need stuff to nothing
20:13	mauvebic	mintest > common?
20:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	I have idea
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20:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	Make a function to redefine useless stuff
20:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	I will close it
20:13	jojoa1997|Tablet	Code
20:13	PilzAdam	jojoa1997|Tablet, no, dont include default anymore
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	But
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	You need stairs with sefault
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	Default
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	Stairs needs defau
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	T
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	Alao
20:14	PilzAdam	just create an empty mod called default
20:14	jojoa1997|Tablet	Mods will break
20:15	sfan5	!up jordachscity.tk
20:15	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.276ms)
20:15	jojoa1997|Tablet	Easier to depend on defwult
20:15	PilzAdam	I dont care much about mods
20:16	jojoa1997|Tablet	Well I already coded a bunch
20:16	jojoa1997|Tablet	So it will still use default
20:16	PilzAdam	dependencies can be fixed by creating the empty mod called default
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20:18	jojoa1997|Tablet	No I already coded a bunch redefining default
20:18	sfan5	oh thank god!
20:18	sfan5	.....
20:18	sfan5	jordachs server crashed while doing the big accident worledit operation
20:18	jojoa1997|Tablet	Maybe next week but for now I am staying with this
20:18	sfan5	nothing happend to the world
20:19	sfan5	*calms down*
20:19	PilzAdam	jojoa1997|Tablet, sure, nobody is in a hurry here
20:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	OK also
20:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	I am depending on plants_lib and flowers ,od
20:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	Mod
20:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	To make dyes
20:19	jojoa1997|Tablet	And minecraft has flowrrs
20:20	PilzAdam	no, dont include plants_lib
20:20	PilzAdam	I dont like this mod
20:20	VanessaE	plants_lib is not suitable for inclusion in default - and hmmmm I believe said he'd rather rewrite it into C++ anyway
20:20	PilzAdam	just plant the flowers like grass is planted in default
20:21	VanessaE	besides, plants_lib does nothing by itself.
20:21	VanessaE	you need to actually *use* it for it to do anything
20:21	PilzAdam	VanessaE, we are talking about minitest
20:21	jojoa1997|Tablet	Wait
20:21	jojoa1997|Tablet	I just found a list of recipes
20:21	VanessaE	oh minitest again
20:21	jojoa1997|Tablet	We need to add squids
20:21	Kacey	no!
20:22	VanessaE	you need to change the name of that damn thing so as not to confuse it with minetest.  A one-letter difference makes for confusing conversations.
20:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	Make it crafttest
20:22	Kacey	we need a computercraft type mod that adds turtles and computers
20:22	jojoa1997|Tablet	Or testcraft
20:22	PilzAdam	VanessaE, maybe that on purpose >:-)
20:22	VanessaE	mineclone ;)
20:26	jojoa1997|Tablet	Idea
20:26	jojoa1997|Tablet	Me second light for default game
20:26	jojoa1997|Tablet	Mesecons light
20:30	jojoa1997|Tablet	Pilzadam
20:30	jojoa1997|Tablet	The swords are messed up
20:30	jojoa1997|Tablet	Steel is better than diamond
20:31	PilzAdam	jojoa1997|Tablet, see latest commits of default
20:31	PilzAdam	and use the same system
20:31	jojoa1997|Tablet	Yeah just saw
20:31	jojoa1997|Tablet	Is it in the lua AP doc
20:32	PilzAdam	yes
20:33	jojoa1997|Tablet	Sweet
20:33	jojoa1997|Tablet	I will check it out
20:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	Please send a pm explaining the new damage system
20:37	jojoa1997|Tablet	Gtg now
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20:49	Calinou	tablet users, making too many new lines since 2008®
20:52	VanessaE	sfan5: you awake?
20:54	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Add varying levels of precision to TimeTaker df49b93877 2013-03-29T13:53:15-07:00 http://git.io/0PsFTA
20:56	sfan5	VanessaE: yup
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20:57	VanessaE	sfan5: can you write a script to go through all of those failures in Mod Releases and move them to Modding General?
20:57	VanessaE	maybe execute it on Monday or something?
20:58	sfan5	yes
20:58	VanessaE	also,
20:58	VanessaE	check for case insensitivity in thingsa like "[Mod]" vs "[mod]"
20:58	VanessaE	-a
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20:58	VanessaE	in your regular script I meamn
20:59	VanessaE	mean*
20:59	sfan5	i'll just add a move functionality to my regular script
20:59	VanessaE	good idea.
21:02	sfan5	VanessaE: case intensivity... does that mean "[MoD]" == "[mod]" or the opposite
21:03	VanessaE	sfan5: if someone writes "[mod]" it should be taken as valid
21:03	sfan5	my script uses  if not topic_name.lower().startswith("[mod]") or ... : raise_error()
21:03	VanessaE	Mod, mod, MOD should be valid
21:04	sfan5	you didn't see the .lower() part
21:04	VanessaE	I'm being told that it's not catching them, though
21:04	sfan5	link or it didn't happen
21:04	VanessaE	heh
21:04	VanessaE	lemme check
21:06	ShadowNinja	sfan5: you should ask celeron55 to /msg chanserv flags #minetest MinetestBot +V
21:06	sfan5	ShadowNinja: done
21:08	VanessaE	+V ?
21:08	sfan5	IIRC that should be auto-voice
21:09	VanessaE	ah
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21:13	Calinou	VanessaE: mod and MOD look like crap
21:13	sfan5	MOD looks like crap
21:13	Calinou	and mod too
21:13	sfan5	mod... nah, its acceptable
21:14	VanessaE	they both look like crap compared to "Mod", but at least [mM]od should be acceptible.
21:14	VanessaE	acceptable*
21:15	sfan5	ShadowNinja: <celer.n55> why does it need voice
21:15	ShadowNinja	sfan5: well why does it?
21:16	sfan5	because its a bot
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21:16	sfan5	but thats not a (good) argument
21:19	ShadowNinja	well you can at least use /mode +v-o MinetestBot sfan5 to compact it
21:22	sfan5	VanessaE: random side information, how moving topics works: http://pastie.org/7166293
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21:36	sfan5	VanessaE: done. https://gist.github.com/sfan5/4642453/revisions
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21:46	VanessaE	sweet
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21:50	Teddypig	Rark?
21:50	rarkenin	Yes?
21:50	Jordach	hey rarkenin
21:50	Jordach	hey VanessaE
21:50	Teddypig	Ok, i never been here. Didn't know if I did it right. Lol.
21:50	rarkenin	Teddypig: Be sure to include my full nickname so I get notified.
21:50	VanessaE	hi
21:51	* Jordach	ponders if OldCoder is fine
21:51	Teddypig	What happend?
21:52	rarkenin	The server died after we unvoiced and quieted its IRC account.
21:52	OldCoder	Hi
21:52	Teddypig	It's not back yet. Lol.
21:52	OldCoder	Jordach, the answer is no but I am doing what I can
21:52	rarkenin	Hi. Zeg9 was looking for you after a chest disappeared from minetest.org:30015
21:52	OldCoder	Hmm
21:52	OldCoder	Are the worlds running? BTW please do not do /clearobjects ever
21:52	Jordach	rarkenin, it might be related to the node swapping bug
21:53	rarkenin	Probably. But the area all around the missing chest is claimed, and it is not on a chunk boundary.
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21:54	rarkenin	The world IS running, I don't have access to /clearobjects.
21:55	rarkenin	VanessaE: How do you kick players from your server in Lua? I know it's possible, I've been actively kicked from it ocne by accident.
21:55	VanessaE	I don't know that you can
21:55	VanessaE	you can ban
21:55	VanessaE	that will cause them to sign off
21:56	VanessaE	but I don't think there's a kick function
21:56	VanessaE	and I know I don't have one :)
21:56	Jeija	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOibU2XlHDs << Minetest customizer; an easy way to preinstall mods
21:56	VanessaE	I just restart the server when I need to, which has the same effect
21:56	VanessaE	:)
21:56	Tecan	(VOibU2XlHDs) "Minetest customizer take 1" by "norrepli" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:35
21:56	bas080	Hey, i changed my password several times but someone uses my username in my world. what is going on here?
21:57	VanessaE	bas080: check carefully - are they signing in as bas080, or as basO8O ?
21:57	OldCoder	bas080, where is the world?
21:57	VanessaE	or maybe as basØ8Ø
21:57	bas080	it is my server. i have changed password several times.
21:57	bas080	someone keeps getting in
21:57	VanessaE	bas080: look at what I wrote
21:57	bas080	ok. does that register as bas080?
21:58	VanessaE	it won't register with the server as exactly "bas080" but it might look like they're using your account, after all 0 O Ø might look similar in some fonts.
21:58	rarkenin	Try giving it two other unrelated modes.
21:59	rarkenin	Sorry, wrong channel.
21:59	bas080	I think my computer or minetest has a security issue
21:59	VanessaE	O and 0 look almost identical in my "bigger" font, maybe also in the game's default one
21:59	bas080	Or maybe i'm sleeptesting
21:59	VanessaE	haha
21:59	VanessaE	you got some logs of the incident?
22:00	bas080	Yes, with my name :P
22:00	Jordach	more than likely an issue with the font
22:00	VanessaE	show me
22:00	bas080	This is a mind**ck
22:06	MinetestBot	GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver: report gameid, uptime, cosmetic fixes on server web page 16c11eb4a3 2013-03-29T15:03:24-07:00 http://git.io/rRzrtA
22:08	Jordach	YOU MUST BE FUCKING KIDDING ME: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-290313-220800.php
22:09	Jordach	Calinou, ^^#
22:12	Jordach	ugh
22:12	Jordach	i swear im seeing curves with 90' blocks
22:13	Kacey	Uberi keeps making mesecons things for the competition.
22:13	Kacey	im going to make something better
22:13	Jordach	Kacey, even better
22:14	VanessaE	Jordach: if you're seeing curves in right-angles, you need to smoke less, or more, I'm not sure which
22:15	Kacey	BOTH!
22:15	Jordach	OH CMON
22:15	Jordach	im getting McDonalds ads now
22:16	* Jordach	is now hungry
22:16	VanessaE	haha
22:16	Calinou	lol, IE ad, Jordach
22:16	* Calinou	has to go, night
22:18	us_0gb	Good night.
22:19	Calinou	good night windows user
22:19	* Calinou	removes his moustache
22:20	VanessaE	Calinou: wait
22:21	VanessaE	eh, nevermind.
22:21	us_0gb	Who? I don't use Windows.
22:21	* us_0gb	is on Ubuntu
22:21	* Jordach	is Xubuntu
22:22	* us_0gb	is considering using Debian for a while
22:22	us_0gb	Or maybe Arch.
22:22	Jordach	us_0gb, same, but my system is how i like it
22:22	us_0gb	Or BSD.
22:22	us_0gb	Yeah. I like my setup too.
22:22	Jordach	BSD for 3D gaming is 200X faster
22:23	us_0gb	Exept, I could use a desktop that is less fancy.
22:23	Jordach	the drivers arent shoved up the kernels ass
22:23	rarkenin	Assuming you can get the game to compile and run.
22:23	us_0gb	Hmm. Right. Linux it is then.
22:23	Jordach	rarkenin, PC-BSD FTW
22:23	us_0gb	That still leaves me with Debian and Arch as options.
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22:23	Jordach	mauvebic uses arch
22:24	Jordach	although arch is more of a DIY system
22:24	us_0gb	Yeah, he seems to think Arch is awesome. That's why I'm considering trying it out.
22:24	Jordach	I have no problem with any distro that doesnt fuck about
22:24	Jordach	e.g. **buntu
22:24	us_0gb	Never mind then. I want my system to just work on its own.
22:25	us_0gb	Which ones fuck about?
22:25	Jordach	probably the wises
22:28	mauvebic	arch is the only one that doesnt have me swearing at the computer lol
22:28	IceCraft	*Kubuntu
22:29	VanessaE	xubuntu or bust.
22:30	sfan5	Jeija: nice!
22:31	Kacey	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79974#p79974
22:31	Calinou	Jordach: on nvidia cards, opengl performance is the same on windows/linux/bsd, but the driver is more frequently updated for windows and linux...
22:31	Calinou	(as soon as you have compositing off)
22:32	Calinou	with BSD it'd probably get worse with compositing on :P
22:32	STHGOM	a digiline tv?
22:33	Jeija	sfan5: My only problem is that it doesn't work on my webspace as it should, even if it performs perfectly locally
22:34	Jeija	the webspace seems to have some trouble with ob_flush(), and anything the flushes the buffer in general
22:34	Jeija	Which means there is no progress displayed
22:34	Jeija	That can be very annoying as it can take quite a long time
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22:35	sfan5	Jeija: what about caching the latest version of mesecons etc. on the webspace
22:35	sfan5	also just the image for worldedit is not enough
22:35	Jeija	I'm already caching minetest, some major mods like mesecons may also be cached; but I don't want to update all the mods all the time
22:35	sfan5	what about an iframe to the worldedit thread
22:35	Jeija	It's just for testing, that image
22:36	Jeija	I'd be happy if the output buffer thing worked at all
22:36	MichaelEh	okay how do i dropbox
22:36	VanessaE	use ompldr, or just any old pastebin
22:36	VanessaE	worldedit files are plaintext
22:37	STHGOM	sooooo... no lua/microcontrollers?
22:37	STHGOM	forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=79974#p79974
22:37	MichaelEh	ompldr
22:37	Jeija	sfan5: You can test it here btw: http://mesecons.net/mt-customizer/
22:37	VanessaE	http://ompldr.org/
22:37	MichaelEh	pastebin
22:38	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
22:38	VanessaE	(better to use ompldr, in case the file's too big for the pastebin)
22:38	MinetestBot	GIT:  commited to minetest/minetest: Fix backward compatibility for server uptime in master server web page 177ca4f4d5 2013-03-29T15:36:06-07:00 http://git.io/TZHiHw
22:39	MichaelEh	pastebin.ubuntu.com/5659647/
22:40	STHGOM	is there new version of mesecons?
22:40	MichaelEh	somehow cmpldr.org was blocked.. at free wifi spot
22:40	STHGOM	nvm
22:41	VanessaE	got it, but all I see is a whole lot of black wool
22:41	VanessaE	is that all there is in it?
22:41	MichaelEh	lots of cobble.
22:41	VanessaE	ok then the whole file didn't come through
22:42	MichaelEh	yeah... just looks like it didn't save right
22:42	VanessaE	maybe try with dropbox
22:42	VanessaE	oh ok
22:43	MichaelEh	sigh
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22:44	MichaelEh	It's One's Cathedra or at least from the pics I had from way back
22:44	bdjnk	hey minetest people
22:44	VanessaE	no chance of getting the whole file?
22:44	VanessaE	hi bdjnk
22:44	bdjnk	so, I'm on vacation, with no mouse
22:45	bdjnk	was gonna play some minetest, but...
22:45	bdjnk	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5337
22:45	VanessaE	that would be...difficult
22:45	bdjnk	the mousepad just isn't the right tool :)
22:46	bdjnk	like trying to dig sand with the pickaxe
22:46	bdjnk	*touchpad
22:48	Jordach	i should really spend a shit ton of time making a replica city of Norwich, Norfolk, UK in 1:1 scale
22:48	bdjnk	sounds like a great idea :)
22:49	STHGOM	bbl
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22:50	Sketch2	Hello all
22:50	bdjnk	hey Sketch2
22:51	MichaelEh	weird... tried again and all it saved was 97 nodes
22:51	VanessaE	sfan5: false positive on http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4129
22:52	rarkenin	Quick question about the forum: I regularly log into rarkenin from two locations, one of which is shared. Now I cannot log in at the shared IP address and the forum claims I'm a bot. Is there something wrong with my account?
22:52	Sketch2	was trying to compile Minetest as a web app.  didn't have much luck with that, 'cuz I ran into some stupid Python bug
22:53	Jordach	!up jordachscity.tk
22:53	MinetestBot	jordachscity.tk:30000 is up (0.341ms)
22:53	Jordach	fuck me
22:53	Jordach	thats a quick restart from crash
22:54	proller	trying to jump from 1000 mountain, and want more aircontrol
22:57	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/#5yuU3j8J
22:58	Exio	what
22:58	Exio	did you i just read archlinux
22:58	Exio	on a server? pure madness, even windows xp sp1 in a server is better
22:59	Kacey	i think i may have just won category 3 of the mesecons competition
22:59	Jordach	sfan5, i feel REALLY OLD. http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=11116#p11116
23:00	* sfan5	remembers that
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23:01	Jordach	City Build 1
23:01	MichaelEh	okay got it this time I think http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5659699/
23:02	Jordach	NO FUCKING WAY
23:02	Jordach	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=11601#p11601
23:02	Jordach	MY ORIGINAL SERVER WORLD
23:03	Jordach	and it still live
23:04	MichaelEh	better than Gameboom.. everything is gone.
23:04	VanessaE	ok, got it michael
23:05	MichaelEh	logging back on to your server.... this will be cool if it transfers right
23:05	VanessaE	*nod*
23:05	VanessaE	but let's not put it where you are now, let's put it somewhere where it can be seen maybe?
23:06	MichaelEh	up to you but I wanted to expand it to a whole medival town setting
23:06	VanessaE	oh ok
23:06	VanessaE	then it goes wherever you want it :-)
23:06	Jordach	sfan5, MY OLD CITY BUILD 1 WORKS IN 0.4.5
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23:08	MichaelEh	I was going to post an article on how to deal with bad players..
23:08	MichaelEh	my idea was it's better to reward good players through graduated privs while bad players lose
23:09	MichaelEh	what's the difference if all you get is build or not.
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23:11	Sketch2	woo!  making progress
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23:14	Jordach	uploading the lost world of mine
23:14	Jordach	MichaelEh, remember this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=10964#p10964
23:14	VanessaE	"only_peaceful_mobs = true"  <-- early 0.4.0 map?  and it still works? :-)
23:14	Jordach	VanessaE, that's the remanants of the Mega City Build 1
23:15	VanessaE	cool
23:15	Jordach	I plan on leaving a memorial in the second one
23:15	Jordach	im uploading some F12 from that broken world
23:15	Jordach	most things are still broken.
23:16	Jordach	I'll probably convert some mods so it works again
23:16	Jordach	i started pixel art back then
23:17	Jordach	most of these images were built by me and bwog (a long gone user. :( )
23:17	Jordach	http://imgur.com/a/Boe5H
23:17	Jordach	VanessaE, ^
23:18	MichaelEh	hmm.. no I either built in local mode or gameboom but have moved to other servers
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23:22	Jordach	i put lots of work into that ancient world
23:23	Jordach	City Build 1 will return...
23:24	kaeza	'ello
23:24	khonkhortisan	'i
23:25	STHGOM	the eiffel tower on you pixel art server is BIG
23:25	rarkenin	One of my friends might be able to do actual Mac builds that work...
23:26	MichaelEh	Hey Jordach... a build for game dev conference... https://www.facebook.com/DIGLondonConference/photos_stream#!/photo.php?fbid=4905917048663&set=o.24413881117&type=1&theater
23:27	Exio	hi kaeza
23:27	MichaelEh	another ... https://www.facebook.com/DIGLondonConference/photos_stream#!/photo.php?fbid=4877430336513&set=o.24413881117&type=1&theater
23:28	Sketch2	oh, Dylan's here
23:28	STHGOM	could different digiline sensor use the same digiline line/
23:29	Sketch2	gonna pause on the whole compile thing.
23:30	Sketch2	ran into some sqlite3 thing anyway
23:31	MichaelEh	ciao
23:31	MichaelEh	QUIT
23:31	STHGOM	and what is the "channel" in the LCD?
23:31	khonkhortisan	With digilines, the channel is indistinguishable from the message. You could swap the two, and it would still work.
23:33	STHGOM	ok
23:33	STHGOM	how do you get at the rtc and send to the lcd
23:34	khonkhortisan	ack! My compile went bad, and I lost the previous copy.
23:34	khonkhortisan	What is an rtc and lcd?
23:34	Kacey	new digiline things
23:34	STHGOM	real time clock and liquil crystal display
23:35	STHGOM	liquid*
23:35	khonkhortisan	hi Kacey
23:35	STHGOM	i think
23:35	khonkhortisan	I don't know how a display would work without digilines being insulated
23:36	STHGOM	i want to know what i should type into the luacontroller
23:36	STHGOM	digiline_send?
23:37	khonkhortisan	if event.type != "digiline" then digiline_send(channel, msg) end
23:37	khonkhortisan	the if keeps two luaCs from talking in a loop
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23:39	STHGOM	i want to make the lcd say the what the rtc is
23:39	jojoa1997|Tablet	Is there an android app to upload pics
23:40	khonkhortisan	What does the lcd look like? Is it pixels or 7-segment?
23:41	STHGOM	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5263
23:41	khonkhortisan	working on this: 'clock_gettime@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO /lib64/librt.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
23:42	khonkhortisan	oh
23:44	khonkhortisan	Can't you just set the lcd to the same channel as the rtc?
23:44	STHGOM	i dont understand what this means: For the display, just send your text on the channel you selected when right-clicking it, in order to retrieve time or light data, send a "GET" to RTC or light sensor on the selected channel.
23:45	khonkhortisan	I can't try it myself, but it looks like you have to right-click to select an rtc channel, make the luacontroller send "GET" on that channel, get a response, then resend that on the lcd channel
23:47	STHGOM	um.
23:48	STHGOM	i was thinking is would be like luaC talking to each other
23:48	STHGOM	the lcd would already  print the digiline message
23:49	khonkhortisan	When I see "CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS" I expect that variable to only be used on windows
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23:58	STHGOM	bye: i go
23:59	khonkhortisan	bye

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