| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
jordan4ibanez |
Now to fix all the serialization to make the mod truely almost complete |
| 00:00 |
rarkenin|away |
Is the source available for MinetestBot? I'd like to deploy a modified version in ##minetest-0gb.us |
| 00:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5 |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
nice |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
DRM in HTML: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/457033/adobe_fly_us_cheaper_software/ |
| 00:02 |
hmmmm |
whoops, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Feb/0122.html |
| 00:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
damn dude, those are some big words |
| 00:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
how do you even put drm in html?! |
| 00:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
do you have to pay for the web page? |
| 00:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
and to think about that how do you even have rights to words and symbols |
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| 00:46 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 00:48 |
us_0gb |
Bye, PilzAdam. |
| 00:49 |
us_0gb |
Oops, I was too late. |
| 00:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
lol |
| 00:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
Who is the one who created mapgen? |
| 00:56 |
us_0gb |
Several people built mapgen, I believe. |
| 00:57 |
Exio |
the one who "created" the <<actual>> mapgen is c55 (afaik) |
| 00:58 |
Exio |
the one who is working on the new mapgen v7 with biomes and super-cool (and actually optimizing the mapgenv6/actual) is hmmmm |
| 01:03 |
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| 01:04 |
hmmmm |
yea ^ |
| 01:05 |
hmmmm |
honestly, i think mapgen v6 can create some pretty interesting terrain, but you've seen it all after a while |
| 01:06 |
hmmmm |
what's minetest classic compressed with again? do i uncompress or deflate? |
| 01:09 |
Exio |
what? |
| 01:09 |
hmmmm |
nvm, deflate |
| 01:09 |
Exio |
ah |
| 01:11 |
hmmmm |
minetest, i meant to say minecraft |
| 01:16 |
Exio |
and just being "annoying", do you have "maybe ETA" of the mg v7? :P |
| 01:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
who is the person who made this version of mapgen |
| 01:16 |
Exio |
[21:57:48] <Exio> the one who "created" the <<actual>> mapgen is c55 (afaik) |
| 01:16 |
Exio |
[21:58:15] <Exio> the one who is working on the new mapgen v7 with biomes and super-cool (and actually optimizing the mapgenv6/actual) is hmmmm |
| 01:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
okay |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
this current mapgen is based on mapgen V2 |
| 01:17 |
jordan4ibanez |
hmmmm can you make it so you can load up a chunk at a position through lua? |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
no. |
| 01:17 |
Exio |
hmmmm is the one who likes to rewrite everything until it gets fast as ASM |
| 01:17 |
Exio |
(or maybe faster!) |
| 01:17 |
hmmmm |
...or just rewrite things so it's not as bad |
| 01:18 |
Exio |
hehe, i know :P |
| 01:18 |
Exio |
just a joke because it seems funny if you see the commits |
| 01:18 |
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| 01:20 |
hmmmm |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcvE0-r1u4 |
| 01:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
I wish entities auto serialized all their data |
| 01:33 |
jordan4ibanez |
now slimes are serialized, so they won't be randomly gone when you leave an area and come back! |
| 01:35 |
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| 01:36 |
Traxie21 |
Hey guise |
| 01:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
Wow that's actually really neat, I got kind of used to the things just dissapearing, now they're constant! |
| 01:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
hi traxie |
| 01:36 |
Traxie21 |
Do any of you know how to compile minetest for linux with all the required libraries (curl, irrlicht, etc.) built in to the excecutable? |
| 01:36 |
Traxie21 |
Btw, I have a ServerExtended testing server up |
| 01:36 |
Traxie21 |
sunrisetest.no-ip.org |
| 01:37 |
Traxie21 |
http://sunrisetest.no-ip.org |
| 01:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
Traxie want to test my latest slimes on your server? |
| 01:37 |
Traxie21 |
Erm |
| 01:37 |
Traxie21 |
It lags as it is, but possibly |
| 01:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
but slimes are as light as it gets! xD |
| 01:38 |
Traxie21 |
still, I'm on a kindle, and I can't really use FTP as it is |
| 01:38 |
Traxie21 |
wget ftw |
| 01:38 |
Traxie21 |
orite |
| 01:38 |
Exio |
i wonder |
| 01:38 |
Exio |
do you even use a desktop? |
| 01:38 |
Exio |
ever* |
| 01:38 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I used webssh to configure and start the server XD |
| 01:38 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Nope |
| 01:39 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I use a laptop, when I'm at my office, but then, when I'm on my laptop, I don't use IRC or forums much |
| 01:39 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
All my coding is on the laptop |
| 01:39 |
Exio |
ah ok |
| 01:39 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I didn't bring my SD card to the office today, so I didnt have any minetest files. |
| 01:39 |
Exio |
i never saw you connected from the laptop, at least when i'm reading the channel |
| 01:39 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
So bored |
| 01:39 |
Exio |
s/reading/stalking |
| 01:40 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Normally, when I'm just Traxie21, I'm on my laptop, but sometimes I forget to type Traxie21|Kindle |
| 01:40 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
:I |
| 01:40 |
Exio |
ah |
| 01:40 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I'm getting really fast at typing on this thing |
| 01:40 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Can someone connect to my server for a bit and just see if it works?" |
| 01:40 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I haven't tested it yet, except for pinging it |
| 01:41 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
It should be in the public server list |
| 01:41 |
Exio |
i can't try actually, i need to download stuff and my connection is.. a bit.. shitty for saying it "soft" |
| 01:42 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
lol |
| 01:42 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
</100MB connection at work> |
| 01:42 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Mb/s |
| 01:42 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Maybe 10MB/s, not sure |
| 01:45 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Meow |
| 01:45 |
* Traxie21|Kindle |
puts a cat on NekoGloop's head. |
| 01:46 |
Exio |
Traxie21|Kindle: you can think a dialup network |
| 01:46 |
NekoGloop |
meow |
| 01:46 |
Exio |
54kbps, is faster than this |
| 01:46 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Wow |
| 01:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
Cispa |
| 01:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://www.cispaisback.org/ |
| 01:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
and I found a weird rule with mesecons torches |
| 01:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://imgur.com/d2roQp2,r6f5VRG |
| 01:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
there's nothing under those torches except more dirt |
| 01:48 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
O-o |
| 01:48 |
Exio |
here i has a medium "speed" of, like, between 25kbps to (when i can use it alone) 256kbps |
| 01:48 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
entered email in cispais |
| 01:48 |
Exio |
the best networks, 4ever |
| 01:48 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
:L |
| 01:49 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
What the hell do cats have to do with cispa |
| 01:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't know |
| 01:50 |
* Traxie21|Kindle |
puts another cat on NekoGloop's head |
| 01:50 |
* NekoGloop |
meow |
| 01:50 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Jordan, got a free moment? |
| 01:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
yeah |
| 01:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
might not respond though, making pet slimes |
| 01:50 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
can you connect to sunrisetest.no-ip.org on MT and see if it works? |
| 01:51 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
If its not too laggy, I'll see about installing slimes on it as soon as I get to a real computer. |
| 01:51 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
BUT |
| 01:51 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Only if the eyes and mouth jiggle |
| 01:51 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
:P |
| 01:51 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
jk |
| 01:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
I like the chat monitoring |
| 01:52 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Hm? |
| 01:52 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
What do you mean? |
| 01:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
you type |
| 01:52 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Marow |
| 01:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
[player] boobsmcgoob: ajdaskdjsakjsd |
| 01:53 |
* Traxie21|Kindle |
is typing! |
| 01:54 |
Exio |
god |
| 01:54 |
jordan4ibanez |
can I set infotext for an entity? |
| 01:54 |
Exio |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1710&p=8 |
| 01:54 |
Exio |
the last comment |
| 01:54 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Probably not |
| 01:54 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I hate not being able to open links on a kindle, it makes me so curious |
| 01:54 |
jordan4ibanez |
ban yoyobuddy |
| 01:54 |
jordan4ibanez |
he's just a troll |
| 01:55 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
He seems to be at least an immature bi |
| 01:55 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
cyclwe |
| 01:55 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
*cycle |
| 01:55 |
* Traxie21|Kindle |
knows what you were thinking |
| 01:56 |
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| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't like how people are trying to make mob apis |
| 01:56 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
They lag |
| 01:56 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
and lag |
| 01:56 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
and leg |
| 01:56 |
Exio |
that is called lua |
| 01:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
no offense, but if each mob is a cookiecutter, what's the point? |
| 01:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
each mob needs love and attention to be original and exciting |
| 01:57 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
MobF is powerful, but slow as... well... me on the toilet. |
| 01:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
mobf is crap |
| 01:57 |
Exio |
'kay |
| 01:57 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Good pun |
| 01:57 |
Exio |
try to write a fast IA in Lua |
| 01:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
each mob needs it's own individual ai, not one from a pickup list |
| 01:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
I already did |
| 01:57 |
Exio |
hostile mob? |
| 01:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes |
| 01:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
semi hostile too |
| 01:58 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Jeija's slime AI was still obvious when it was lagging |
| 01:58 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
as was the nyancat mod I helped 12me21 with |
| 01:58 |
Exio |
i'd say there we just need the pathfinding in the engine |
| 01:58 |
Exio |
and people start using it |
| 01:58 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
^I should make that one poop rainbows |
| 01:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
Now pathfinding would be great! |
| 01:58 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Exio, theres a pull request with AI , but its not comitted yet |
| 01:58 |
Exio |
you switch to luajit, and profit, mobs faster "as hell" |
| 01:59 |
Exio |
Traxie21|Kindle: that is about what i'm talking |
| 01:59 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
They'll get as fast as me in the kitchen |
| 01:59 |
Exio |
sapier's pull reuqest, no? |
| 01:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
Someone made pathfinding in lua |
| 01:59 |
Exio |
lol |
| 01:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
it's kind of crazy |
| 01:59 |
Exio |
jordan4ibanez: you have benchmarks of the pathfind in lua, luajit, compiled lua, -O3 in the core and -O1 (or -O0, idr) in the core |
| 01:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
but works |
| 02:00 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
i gttg |
| 02:00 |
Exio |
it is in this way: lua = seconds, compiled lua = seconds |
| 02:00 |
* kaeza |
yawns |
| 02:00 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
welp |
| 02:00 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
bai |
| 02:00 |
Exio |
luajit = ms, c even less ms! |
| 02:00 |
Exio |
bai |
| 02:00 |
* Traxie21|Kindle |
yawns at kaeza |
| 02:01 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
kthxbai |
| 02:01 |
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| 02:02 |
kaeza |
ShadowNinja, in IRC mod, my code is WTFPL; luasocket and LuaIRC have their licenses in the respective LICENSE- files. |
| 02:05 |
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| 02:07 |
ShadowNinja |
kaeza: so what exactly is /join and /part supposed to do? |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
ShadowNinja, they add and remove you from the list that the mod sends messages to |
| 02:08 |
jordan4ibanez |
get_free_disk_space() oh wow that's very useful! |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
(and receives from) |
| 02:09 |
ShadowNinja |
hmm, /part seems to do nothing, was there a bug? |
| 02:10 |
kaeza |
well... nobody used it, so I didn't take the time to see if there were any bugs |
| 02:10 |
kaeza |
(I mean /part and /join of course) |
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| 02:11 |
kaeza |
the original idea was to create a new connection to the IRC server for each player |
| 02:11 |
kaeza |
but c55 pointed that it may cause problems for servers with many players (server may refuse connection) |
| 02:12 |
kaeza |
anyway, what is the bug exactly? |
| 02:13 |
kaeza |
you still receive messages? |
| 02:15 |
ShadowNinja |
yes, with auto join on nobody can part and vice-versa |
| 02:16 |
ShadowNinja |
and players don't seem to be removed from !who |
| 02:17 |
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| 02:20 |
Exio |
night |
| 02:26 |
kaeza |
aww crap.. who wrote this shit? |
| 02:27 |
ShadowNinja |
line 64: mt_irc.connected_players[name] = false; should be nil |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
mt_irc.part/join is so bugged I'm glad it didn't accidentally wipe out people's hard drives |
| 02:28 |
ShadowNinja |
lol |
| 02:29 |
ShadowNinja |
also, some sort of !command teleport [...] like command would be good |
| 02:29 |
kaeza |
delete line 77 of init.lua also |
| 02:30 |
kaeza |
ShadowNinja, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc_admin |
| 02:32 |
kaeza |
marktraceur apparently was using that one to manage his servers without having to log-in |
| 02:33 |
ShadowNinja |
I think being able to run arbritrary commands would be better |
| 02:36 |
kaeza |
hmm I don't think that many commands are needed remotely. |
| 02:37 |
kaeza |
irc_admin supplies basic grant/revoke/ban/unban stuff |
| 02:37 |
kaeza |
but since it's just a copypasta of how the game handles chat messages, why not? |
| 02:38 |
ShadowNinja |
but not /addjail for example |
| 02:38 |
kaeza |
my intention was that other mods added those bot commands themselves (if irc was installed) |
| 02:39 |
alex256 |
shadowninja may i please interact on your server? |
| 02:39 |
ShadowNinja |
that adds a lot of cod that could be one command |
| 02:39 |
ShadowNinja |
alex256: one sec... |
| 02:39 |
alex256 |
cool |
| 02:41 |
alex256 |
thanks |
| 02:41 |
jordan4ibanez |
would anyone like to see the basics for the pet slime mode? :3 |
| 02:45 |
kaeza |
ShadowNinja, I can add that to irc_admin to use the (crude) auth mechanism |
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kaeza |
you don't want untrusted users calling "!command ban" do you? |
| 02:46 |
ShadowNinja |
then just use minetest.setting_get("name") for the name |
| 02:46 |
ShadowNinja |
what is the password set by, a config option? |
| 02:47 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 02:47 |
kaeza |
actually... no |
| 02:47 |
kaeza |
It's in config.lua I guess |
| 02:48 |
ShadowNinja |
that is what I meant |
| 02:48 |
ShadowNinja |
I think you might be able to use the auth table |
| 02:48 |
ShadowNinja |
then anyone could login |
| 02:48 |
kaeza |
hmm |
| 02:48 |
ShadowNinja |
and use only their privs |
| 02:49 |
kaeza |
I haven't thought about that |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
hmm |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
say I want to check if a player is not within a radius |
| 02:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
how would I do that? I'm having a brain fart |
| 02:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
there's player jordan4ibanez, and celeron55, but it is looking for kaeza, how would I find if kaeza is NOT in the radius? |
| 02:50 |
kaeza |
minetest.get_objects_in_radius() coupled with obj:is_player() |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
or smth like that |
| 02:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
oh yeah, got it |
| 02:56 |
kaeza |
anyway, care to add auth support Shadow? :) |
| 02:56 |
kaeza |
I have no clue how that works |
| 02:56 |
ShadowNinja |
maybe, I will have to check auth.lua |
| 02:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
now slimes are tamable, and they will follow you, if you get too far, they teleport to you |
| 02:57 |
jordan4ibanez |
if they get within 3 of you, they won't hop any further towards you |
| 02:58 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, can you design some kind of MOB that is stronger or harder than a Vombie but not too hard as a DM? |
| 02:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes, but I need to perfect these slimerz first |
| 02:59 |
kaeza |
I'm creating sort of a roguelike using dungeon game as base |
| 02:59 |
kaeza |
s#roguelike#MUD/RPG# |
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kaeza |
ehrmagerd. it's lermerfern |
| 03:02 |
ShadowNinja |
hmm, is the hash salted? |
| 03:02 |
ShadowNinja |
and if so how? |
| 03:03 |
kaeza |
dunno. I have no idea how authentication works, hence, my stupid approach 8) |
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ShadowNinja |
good, just salted with the player name, this might actualy work |
| 03:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
what is the player's inventory called? |
| 03:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
"main" ? |
| 03:11 |
ShadowNinja |
yes, I think so, check the chest code |
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Kacey |
O.o |
| 03:20 |
Kacey |
no way... |
| 03:20 |
Kacey |
do my eyes decieve me? |
| 03:20 |
kaeza |
wut |
| 03:20 |
Kacey |
--> cornernote (~cornernot 27-33-254-153.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #minetest |
| 03:20 |
cornernote |
hey Kacey |
| 03:21 |
Kacey |
hi cornernote |
| 03:21 |
cornernote |
yeah, thought i been away for a bit and id see whats going on |
| 03:21 |
Kacey |
luacontrollers came out |
| 03:21 |
cornernote |
my kids love the new 3d characters |
| 03:21 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 03:21 |
Kacey |
i made a 4-bit decoder to 7 segment display of my own wanna see? |
| 03:22 |
Kacey |
!up 67.162.156.91 |
| 03:22 |
MinetestBot |
67.162.156.91:30000 is up (0.488ms) |
| 03:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
is this how to take an item from an inventory |
| 03:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
playerinv:get_stack("main", check_spot):take_item(1) |
| 03:25 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, local stack = playerinv:get_stack("main", check_spot); stack:take_item(1); playerinv:set_stack("main", check_spot, stack) |
| 03:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
thanks dude |
| 03:27 |
NekoGloop |
Keep your mouth shut and you may live. |
| 03:28 |
kaeza |
the itemstack returned by get_stack() is a copy; modifying it does not modify the player inventory unless you overwrite the original stack |
| 03:28 |
* kaeza |
puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head |
| 03:29 |
Kacey |
cornernote, go ahead and join that server whenever no hurry |
| 03:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
YESH! Now slimes are fully tamable! |
| 03:29 |
kaeza |
\o/ |
| 03:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
Now to make them sit |
| 03:30 |
NekoGloop |
Uh. Slimes can sit? |
| 03:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
well stay where they are, right now they follow you around and teleport to you if you get too far |
| 03:31 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 03:32 |
jordan4ibanez |
There's no real purpose, they're just pets basically |
| 03:32 |
jordan4ibanez |
...for now |
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* mauvebic |
just noticed node replace bug always/only happens right after fast move |
| 03:35 |
mauvebic |
prolly not news |
| 03:35 |
kaeza |
it manifests under heavy lag |
| 03:36 |
kaeza |
...expect flood |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
even funnier: marker is in wrong place, position that was |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
saved was right |
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jordan4ibanez |
how do I check if a player is online? |
| 03:38 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, minetest.env:get_player_by_name(name) |
| 03:38 |
kaeza |
if nil, player is offline |
| 03:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
oh right |
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jordan4ibanez |
Oh I the order I put it in wasn't coorect >.> |
| 03:44 |
kaeza |
http://cheezburger.com/7159012608 |
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AshleyWaffle |
hey guys lol |
| 03:47 |
AshleyWaffle |
you have some spambots loose in #minecraft |
| 03:47 |
AshleyWaffle |
spamming it |
| 03:47 |
AshleyWaffle |
you're gonna lose your channel, unfortunately (minetest is cool imo) |
| 03:48 |
AshleyWaffle |
well, if you keep it up you might |
| 03:48 |
AshleyWaffle |
I'm not a staff so I don't know :/ |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
wut |
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jordan4ibanez |
Slimes are ready to be released as pets! |
| 03:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
hmmm |
| 03:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
actually... |
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kaeza |
http://cheezburger.com/7155600640 |
| 03:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
Now if the slime has been tamed by someone, it tells the person that it's been tamed |
| 03:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
Upated! |
| 03:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
try out teh tamable slimez! |
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* kaeza |
does not like -ND |
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felzix |
hey |
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mauvebic |
yay sewers done |
| 04:07 |
Kacey |
AshleyWaffle, who is the spambot on #minecraft |
| 04:07 |
AshleyWaffle |
bobbabuy |
| 04:08 |
AshleyWaffle |
their message was "#MINETEST OWNS BIIIIIITCH!!!!" |
| 04:08 |
AshleyWaffle |
and then all of the nicks highlighted XD |
| 04:08 |
Kacey |
he isnt even on this channel |
| 04:08 |
jordan4ibanez |
So what? |
| 04:08 |
jordan4ibanez |
They're not associated with us? what does it matter? |
| 04:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
Just because they included the word minetest in their spam doesn't mean our channel is going to be taken down |
| 04:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
like if I went into ##linux and spammed "WINDOWS ROOLZ!!" ##Windows isn't going to be taken down |
| 04:09 |
jordan4ibanez |
The point I'm trying to make is you're an idiot |
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jordan4ibanez |
that wasn't directed to you kacey |
| 04:11 |
kaeza |
probably it's the other way around: he comes here with those messages, we go to #minecraft, make a fuss out of it. |
| 04:11 |
kaeza |
IMHO the troll is AshleyWaffle |
| 04:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
No fucking shit |
| 04:11 |
jordan4ibanez |
Also cornernote: Try teh slimes :D |
| 04:12 |
jordan4ibanez |
Kacey no! |
| 04:13 |
Kacey |
what? |
| 04:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
Don't talk about it to #minecraft, then they WILL think it was us |
| 04:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
That's the troll |
| 04:13 |
Kacey |
naw im just chillin right now |
| 04:14 |
AshleyWaffle |
I'm just reporting the news, sorry |
| 04:14 |
kaeza |
you're just trolling around |
| 04:15 |
AshleyWaffle |
I kind of did it dumbly in regards to my predicting we'd lose the channel |
| 04:15 |
AshleyWaffle |
but aside from that... |
| 04:15 |
AshleyWaffle |
anyone there could confirm... |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://youtu.be/YtO-6Xg3g2M |
| 04:15 |
kaeza |
just sit down cool off, or GTFO |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
ERB did a video with someone who isn't dead |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
WHAT |
| 04:22 |
ShadowNinja |
kaeza: it works! |
| 04:23 |
kaeza |
sweet |
| 04:23 |
ShadowNinja |
your ten files are depreciated because of 50 lines of code |
| 04:24 |
kaeza |
hm? |
| 04:24 |
ShadowNinja |
mt_irc_admin has only a subset of the features |
| 04:25 |
ShadowNinja |
now you just !login and !command ban badguy |
| 04:25 |
ShadowNinja |
then !logout |
| 04:26 |
kaeza |
nice |
| 04:26 |
kaeza |
will you be releasing it separately or merging it in irc_admin? |
| 04:27 |
kaeza |
do you have a server to test it? |
| 04:27 |
ShadowNinja |
well i can add it to irc admin but I will basicaly jusr rm -r and add the init.lua and depends.txt |
| 04:28 |
ShadowNinja |
yes, join ##minetest-0gb.us |
| 04:28 |
kaeza |
well, my mod was experimental anyway |
| 04:28 |
kaeza |
ok |
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jordan4ibanez |
I think my neibor is ddosing my internet connection lol |
| 04:36 |
hmmmm |
is dealabate LandMine or someone? |
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hmmmm |
yeah figured as much hah |
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jordan4ibanez |
the troll in #minecraft is landmine |
| 04:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
198.144.116.7 |
| 04:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
had the same ip as fwuzz when he told me he was landmine |
| 04:39 |
AshleyWaffle |
it's happening again... |
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hmmmm |
ugh he's making us look bad |
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jordan4ibanez |
I explained that |
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mauvebic |
http://www.zimg.eu/i/2319371630 |
| 04:41 |
kaeza |
OldCoder already explained to Gambit the situation with LM |
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AndrewPH |
hmmmm: I think it's generally accepted in both channels that it's unrelated to minetest at this point :) |
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jordan4ibanez |
meow |
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alex256 |
woof' |
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NekoGloop |
http://ompldr.org/vaHZ3bA/2013-03-25_23.12.56.png |
| 04:48 |
kaeza |
baa |
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alex256 |
bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay |
| 04:48 |
NekoGloop |
I used to be a minecrafter... |
| 04:49 |
NekoGloop |
UNTIL I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE EAR |
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jordan4ibanez |
Oh right |
| 04:50 |
NekoGloop |
Hm? |
| 04:50 |
jordan4ibanez |
arrow->fast->fast enough->friction->fire->minetest-> I forgot to create the fire entity which attaches to entities and players and hurts and them |
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NekoGloop |
Heh. |
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jordan4ibanez |
I don't think I'll ever use credit cards |
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alex256 |
extra and was in there... |
| 04:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
using imaginary money and having it pile up to debt doesn't sounds easier than cash at all |
| 04:52 |
alex256 |
piggy bank is the way to go |
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NekoGloop |
HAMMER TIME! |
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jordan4ibanez |
A sheep bank mang |
| 04:53 |
alex256 |
or you could bury in jars in your back yard |
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jordan4ibanez |
Jarate |
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jordan4ibanez |
it's the time of night when I go numb and it's hard to think |
| 05:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
sucks |
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Kacey |
23:04 here... |
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jordan4ibanez |
01:03 |
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Kacey |
wow |
| 05:03 |
jordan4ibanez |
I only got 4 hours of sleep last night I think |
| 05:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
I can't wait to start making a hostile mob tomorrow |
| 05:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
I wonder what it will be |
| 05:06 |
jordan4ibanez |
probably a skeleton and a skeleton with a sword |
| 05:10 |
jordan4ibanez |
we should have the ability to mute webchat users, it helped a lot in #minecraft with landmine |
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jordan4ibanez |
goodnight peoples |
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Kacey |
seems quiet |
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Kacey |
almost midnight here |
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OldCoder |
Yep |
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Kacey |
well goodnight |
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kaeza |
hello OldCoder |
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| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
hi hi |
| 06:16 |
kaeza |
wb V |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
all tests were good, my machine now has a whopping 16GB of RAM :-) |
| 06:19 |
kaeza |
congrats \o/ |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
thanks |
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* VanessaE |
is happy :D |
| 06:24 |
kaeza |
much better? |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
well I won't see any real improvement over the 12GB I had before, this is just finishing the upgrade I originally started (one of the four sticks was DOA, the replacement arrived today) |
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kaeza |
http://voxeljs.com/#gallery |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
mehg |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
meh |
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VanessaE |
MT looks better |
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lamefun |
kaeza: ! |
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lamefun |
Is it fast? |
| 07:32 |
kaeza |
nope |
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kaeza1 |
sheeeeeet. |
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kaeza1 |
modem gone crazy again :( |
| 07:34 |
kaeza |
lamefun, don't start that shit again please |
| 07:36 |
lamefun |
The sad and inconvenient reality about one-man project viability as opposed to sweet dear delusions? No, I won't, tired of trying. |
| 07:37 |
mauvebic |
i think i missed part of this convo lol |
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mauvebic |
even though ive been here all night drinking coffee lol |
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kaeza |
o hai mauvebic |
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kaeza |
care to share? :) |
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celeron55 |
haha lol |
| 07:39 |
mauvebic |
by the time it got there it would probably be cold lol |
| 07:39 |
lamefun |
If LuaJIT dies, you'll see for yourselves. |
| 07:39 |
mauvebic |
and technically... couldn't you get fresher cuban coffee? its closer to you lol |
| 07:40 |
mauvebic |
havent seen anyone talk about jit for a few days lol |
| 07:41 |
lamefun |
mauvebic: I have been proposing to replace LuaJIT with JavaScript because JavaScript is the official programming language of planet Earth and LuaJIT is a one-man project and can die easily. |
| 07:41 |
kaeza |
oh shit |
| 07:41 |
mauvebic |
both suck imho |
| 07:42 |
kaeza |
can someone ban this guy? |
| 07:42 |
celeron55 |
lamefun: minetest will always support the regular lua interpreter |
| 07:42 |
mauvebic |
luajit reminds me of those shitty apps they sold in the 90's that claimed to boost your dialup speed tenfold |
| 07:42 |
celeron55 |
as long as i can decide about that |
| 07:42 |
mauvebic |
and javascript is a cosmetic language for webpages, not at all suitable here (imo) |
| 07:42 |
celeron55 |
and lua isn't going anywhere; jus that something isn't run by big corporations doesn't mean it won't stay |
| 07:43 |
celeron55 |
just* |
| 07:43 |
lamefun |
celeron55: but people will rely on speed of LuaJIT (2, sometimes 10, 30 times faster) and if it dies, that'll damage Minetest |
| 07:43 |
mauvebic |
lua is a decent compromise between higher/lower level langs |
| 07:43 |
celeron55 |
lamefun: okay so will you rewrite minetest to use JS? |
| 07:43 |
celeron55 |
lamefun: if not; can you please just go to hell? |
| 07:43 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 07:44 |
mauvebic |
lol in other words, show your work :p |
| 07:45 |
mauvebic |
honestly tho i think me and pa are the only ones who dont notice a difference with jit, must be amd |
| 07:46 |
celeron55 |
the effectiveness of JIT is completely dependent on what you do in your script |
| 07:48 |
celeron55 |
even to the extent of non-intuivity; but generally it works so that if you make the script using the same principles as you could use in C, it will work fast, because then the JIT can compile it into C |
| 07:48 |
mauvebic |
true, with so many mods API'zed it must be a drag on resources to run a lot of big clunky ones |
| 07:48 |
celeron55 |
if you use dynamic typing and such, it will kill the performance |
| 07:49 |
mauvebic |
lua has no typing though? i mean its rare i even have to use tonumber() lol |
| 07:49 |
mauvebic |
*no visible |
| 07:49 |
celeron55 |
visible or not, it's there |
| 07:49 |
kaeza |
uh oh |
| 07:50 |
mauvebic |
yeah no you just dont have to tell lua interpreter the type of var your declaring |
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| 07:52 |
mauvebic |
even the way you index arrays in lua can affect performance (read) |
| 07:52 |
mauvebic |
table[1].x,table[2].x,table[3].x is slower than table.x[1],table.x[2],table.x[3] |
| 07:52 |
kaeza |
there are a lot of other optimizations most people do not make, like for example making all variables not meant for use by other mods be local |
| 07:53 |
mauvebic |
that i already do out of habit |
| 07:53 |
mauvebic |
if its not needed in other mods i try to limit scope |
| 07:53 |
mauvebic |
so i dont endup screwing up variables from other scripts |
| 07:53 |
mauvebic |
which is easy to do if you use something like pos_array alot lol |
| 07:54 |
mauvebic |
making minetest.env local is another |
| 07:54 |
kaeza |
lua optimizes local variables by a simple array indexing |
| 07:54 |
kaeza |
on the contrary, using globals makes lua have to lookup into an array, calling string comparison functions |
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kaeza |
a simple upvalue[index] is way faster than for(int i=0; i < symcount; i++) { if(strcmp(symbol[i], name) ==0) ... |
| 07:56 |
mauvebic |
loops are the first thing to look at when looking for savings |
| 08:00 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, how about you merge 3dforniture into homedecor? |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
I might consider it |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
the two do go well together |
| 08:00 |
kaeza |
It's not heavy at all, and makes sense |
| 08:00 |
mauvebic |
or just copy the nodeboxes |
| 08:00 |
mauvebic |
make sets |
| 08:01 |
kaeza |
plus doesn't seem like tonyka is coming back |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
fell like merging it for me? I'm too lazy ;-) |
| 08:01 |
mauvebic |
its not furniture if you cant shop for colors and swatches :p |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
minus the 3d trees/papyrus |
| 08:01 |
mauvebic |
and do make sure the van has the royal warrant on both sides, so the neighbours can see |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 08:01 |
mauvebic |
naw i really like the lamp but i thought it would be cooler if it came in a few diff varieties |
| 08:02 |
mauvebic |
standing sink, a castrated sink (french: encastree), shower doors, etc |
| 08:02 |
VanessaE |
shower doors? use the glass ones from homedecor :-) |
| 08:03 |
mauvebic |
hmm yeah and i have slidy star trek doors with the swoosh sound lol |
| 08:04 |
kaeza |
oh! small idea: add open/close sounds to doors :D |
| 08:04 |
mauvebic |
they work for slidy doors |
| 08:04 |
mauvebic |
but i tried it on regular doors and it gets annoying fast |
| 08:05 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: I might do that some time |
| 08:05 |
mauvebic |
better idea might be to add a knocking sound on punch? |
| 08:05 |
kaeza |
+1 |
| 08:07 |
mauvebic |
i noticed something too, again with the ships lol when making jeffries tubes: you can't crouch and crawl through a 1m high tunnel |
| 08:07 |
mauvebic |
but you can climb a ladder through an indentical (albeit vertical) hole :p |
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mauvebic |
new city: http://www.zimg.eu/i/4288406639 sewer/water main/telecs lines: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1537051166 |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
morning, preludelinux |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
er.. |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
prestidigitator: |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
(stupid tab complete. Hello? he just signed in, how about choosing his nick first you dumbass program :-) ) |
| 08:13 |
prestidigitator |
Hello. :-) |
| 08:13 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 08:13 |
kaeza |
hey |
| 08:14 |
prestidigitator |
I made one nice and easy to type. Heh. |
| 08:14 |
prestidigitator |
So I've got a bit of an interesting puzzle. |
| 08:15 |
mauvebic |
still missing the power lines in the sewers, for lack of actual power lines yet lol |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: so resurrect the ones from your old mod :-) |
| 08:16 |
prestidigitator |
I'm implementing some extra noise algorithms (Improved Perlin Noise, Simplex Noise) and I'd like to modify the NoiseParams struct to have a "type" field. This'll be used when requesting the noise object from Lua or in the server settings file (terrain, trees, caves, etc.). |
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prestidigitator |
Currently the struct is read from the settings file as a comma-separated list of values. Integers of various size, floats, and vectors. |
| 08:17 |
mauvebic |
meh, not fond of my old raillike wires lol |
| 08:17 |
mauvebic |
textures fine, but they need to be able to connect in every direction like pipes |
| 08:17 |
prestidigitator |
Perfectionist, eh? |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
aw come on, I drew kick-ass textures for those |
| 08:18 |
mauvebic |
though coming up with a wiring/power concept that is simple is not simple at all lol |
| 08:18 |
prestidigitator |
I thought of adding optional fields for the NoiseParams, with the default being the current noise type. |
| 08:19 |
mauvebic |
tho thats one area where wires could work just like pipeworks |
| 08:19 |
prestidigitator |
One possibility would be allowing name/value pairs. Which of course naturally leads to the thought of either JSON or Lua table syntax. |
| 08:19 |
mauvebic |
i just cant wait to see if 6d facedir gets pulled soon |
| 08:19 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: it's already in mainline |
| 08:19 |
kaeza |
mauvebic, It's in |
| 08:19 |
kaeza |
ninja'd |
| 08:19 |
VanessaE |
HIIYAH! |
| 08:19 |
VanessaE |
:-) |
| 08:20 |
prestidigitator |
LOL |
| 08:20 |
kaeza |
hehe |
| 08:20 |
mauvebic |
ah lol |
| 08:20 |
mauvebic |
then all i gotta do is test binvox against the latest git |
| 08:20 |
mauvebic |
this emerge stuff is weird than i first though, even the worldeditors are acting sortof funky |
| 08:21 |
mauvebic |
partial fills/replaces/removes |
| 08:21 |
prestidigitator |
I have a working prototype where I either parse the whole setting file value as a Lua table, or if it doesn't start with "{", surround it with "{}" and replace parentheses with "{}" to take care of the vectors. |
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mauvebic |
i wish i understood this noise stuff :P unfortunately i have unfond memories of music lesssons and anything to do with octaves makes me ugh Hank Hill style lol |
| 08:22 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, BTW, forgot to remove the modified ABM in plantlife: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2705982358.jpg |
| 08:22 |
VanessaE |
I did that? |
| 08:22 |
kaeza |
no lol |
| 08:22 |
kaeza |
It's the old version have locally |
| 08:22 |
kaeza |
+I |
| 08:23 |
kaeza |
I have rm -f'd it |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
oh whew :-) |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
time to wipe and git clone then :-) |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
fwiw that's what they used to look like before |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
ugly, no? |
| 08:23 |
kaeza |
already did :) |
| 08:23 |
prestidigitator |
Another interesting idea would be to parse the WHOLE settings file as Lua code (or a giant Lua table), but there are two issues with this: 1.) wrapping the NoiseParams values with "{}" like I am will be more difficult when dealing with a whole file, and 2.) the #-style comments would have to be replaced. |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
one orientation versus 16. :-) |
| 08:24 |
kaeza |
floooooooooooooooooooooooood |
| 08:24 |
kaeza |
J/K |
| 08:24 |
kaeza |
:) |
| 08:24 |
mauvebic |
420 brb :P |
| 08:24 |
mauvebic |
does it still count in the AM? |
| 08:25 |
prestidigitator |
Any thoughts? If any of these possibilities were accepted as a pull request, what would be the most acceptable/pleasing option to you? JSON? Lua tables? A whole Lua file instead of the "key=value #comment" syntax we have currently? |
| 08:26 |
kaeza |
3dforniture is GPL'd... ugh >.< |
| 08:26 |
mauvebic |
lua |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
ack |
| 08:26 |
mauvebic |
easier to serialize too non? |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
well, homedecor is LGPL |
| 08:26 |
prestidigitator |
I believe so. |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
so it should be fine |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
well no, that's not right |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
HD would have to be GPL or 3DF would have to be LGPL. damn it. |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
it'll have to be re-implemented from scratch :-/ |
| 08:27 |
kaeza |
now you see why I hate GPL |
| 08:28 |
prestidigitator |
Yeah, GPL can create quite a mess. :-( |
| 08:28 |
mauvebic |
which is ironic since its one of the oss favorites |
| 08:28 |
* kaeza |
expects marktraceur to barge in and say "NO!" |
| 08:28 |
prestidigitator |
There's always been this interesting question of dynamic linking and whether you can really call things derivatives, but on the whole it's probably best just to play it safe. |
| 08:29 |
mauvebic |
idc what people go with so long as theres no evangelization about it lol |
| 08:29 |
prestidigitator |
It created a HUGE mess when MySQL went from LGPL to GPL..... |
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mauvebic |
arch went over to mariadb a short while ago, dunno if related |
| 08:30 |
prestidigitator |
Wouldn't be surprised. |
| 08:30 |
kaeza |
mauvebic, GPL is like a virus; once it starts touching other software, it infects it, which in turn infects more software |
| 08:31 |
kaeza |
that is not freedom; that is idiocy |
| 08:31 |
mauvebic |
you wanna hear something really weird? the other day i updated arch, and after rebooting, everything worked! wasnt sure if i should have filed a report lol |
| 08:31 |
prestidigitator |
HA! |
| 08:31 |
mauvebic |
i dont know, in a nutshell, what does GPL do or prevent you from doing? |
| 08:32 |
mauvebic |
isnt minetest in gpl or lgpl? |
| 08:33 |
prestidigitator |
I went back to (K)Ubuntu from Arch because Arch was wasting too much time. After the 5th or so update in less than that many months where I had to go in and fix some damn directory that was supposed to be a symlink (or vice versa), and "DON'T DO IT *THIS* WAY OR YOU'LL HAVE TO RECOVER!!!" Yeah. |
| 08:33 |
VanessaE |
Minetest is LGPL for code, CC-By-SA for textures |
| 08:34 |
mauvebic |
yeah arch devs are not shy about breaking systems lol but i still prefer it, not so much for the arch experience, but for the vanilla-ness of all the packages |
| 08:34 |
prestidigitator |
If you derive something from GPL (generally including linking to a GPL library) you MUST yourself release your own software using GPL. |
| 08:34 |
kaeza |
mauvebic, GPL does not allow you to use it with closed source software (not necessarily commercial) |
| 08:35 |
prestidigitator |
Yeah. And pacman, and the AUR. Those kick ASS. If I could have pacman in Ubuntu.... |
| 08:35 |
VanessaE |
""Compatible" means that you can take a file under the LGPL and relicense |
| 08:35 |
VanessaE |
it under the GPL. However you cannot do the opposite." |
| 08:35 |
VanessaE |
so I can just relicense Home Decor as GPL and then use the code in 3dforniture |
| 08:36 |
mauvebic |
well you can always quarantine GPL code in its own submod at the worst |
| 08:36 |
VanessaE |
no need |
| 08:36 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: go ahead and blend it in, I'll re-license it when you're ready for a pull request |
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prestidigitator |
And LGPL is a hell of a lot more sane. It basically just says the LGPL library ITSELF must remain LGPL (or GPL). Anything that just LINKS to it can be whatever license (including closed-source proprietary). |
| 08:37 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, it goes again my principles to release anything for GPL, sorry. |
| 08:37 |
prestidigitator |
Dual license. |
| 08:37 |
kaeza |
s/for/under/ |
| 08:37 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 08:38 |
VanessaE |
maybe I'll do it myself later, then |
| 08:38 |
kaeza |
I can however rewrite it from scratch |
| 08:38 |
mauvebic |
even though arch breaks stuff - i never had the troubles of dependency resolution like i did with ubuntu/debian, since in arch you can pretty much install different versions of the same package without much conflict |
| 08:38 |
prestidigitator |
You can license under both GPL and LGPL. If they use it with a GPL dependency, they must use the more restrictive license. |
| 08:38 |
v2px |
kaeza: wow, what principles are those? |
| 08:38 |
kaeza |
v2px, freedom? |
| 08:39 |
mauvebic |
more precisely with copyleft licenses: degrees of freedom |
| 08:39 |
kaeza |
the freedom to do what the fuck I want with my source (in case I want to link with other soft) and the freedom that the person that wants to link to my soft is not *required* to make it open source |
| 08:39 |
prestidigitator |
The principle of least action? (Sorry. Physics joke.) |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: which is why I prefer WTFPL/CC0/PD if I can use such. |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
but, GPL has its place |
| 08:40 |
prestidigitator |
Actually if you make all the dependencies soft ones, you might be okay. |
| 08:40 |
mauvebic |
kaeza personally i feel that being able to close source an opensource work isn't so much a freedom as taking a liberty |
| 08:40 |
v2px |
^^^ |
| 08:41 |
mauvebic |
personally im happy with : as free as i made it |
| 08:42 |
mauvebic |
its like taking over a community built church to open a starbucks, i wouldn't call it freedom |
| 08:42 |
prestidigitator |
Keep the GPL library out of the "depends.txt" and it's not really a dependent work; it's just "compatible with." |
| 08:42 |
mauvebic |
soft-depend ;) |
| 08:42 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, that's a bit extreme but I'm happy with that too |
| 08:42 |
VanessaE |
prestidigitator: the proposal here isn't to depend. it's to merge an apparently-abadoned project into an active one so it doesn't die. |
| 08:43 |
mauvebic |
why not copy the nodeboxes themselves? you cant really license integers by themselves |
| 08:43 |
VanessaE |
that much is true |
| 08:43 |
kaeza |
seems fair I guess |
| 08:43 |
kaeza |
and the code for the table lamps is not hard to write |
| 08:43 |
mauvebic |
well even i wouldn't bitch if someone just borrowed nodeboxes, anyone with enough time could reproduce easily enough anyhow |
| 08:44 |
prestidigitator |
I see. |
| 08:44 |
kaeza |
(note: I haven't looked at the original code; all work will be by me) |
| 08:44 |
VanessaE |
the tricky part would be the textures. |
| 08:45 |
mauvebic |
new ones? |
| 08:45 |
VanessaE |
hm, come to think of it, the license isn't stated at all in the post. |
| 08:45 |
mauvebic |
bathroom stuff -> pipeworks textures |
| 08:45 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah it is |
| 08:45 |
VanessaE |
right at the top :P |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: well at any rate, first thing I'd do is ditch the multiple texures |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
textures* |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
there's no reason for each node to have three, anymore |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
(neutral, lightened, darkened) |
| 08:46 |
kaeza |
hm? |
| 08:46 |
VanessaE |
(or is that still an issue? I haven't looked) |
| 08:46 |
kaeza |
texture transforms? |
| 08:47 |
VanessaE |
no, |
| 08:47 |
mauvebic |
theres a good chance ill copy the toilet/sink into pipes |
| 08:47 |
VanessaE |
they're varied to try to give more shadow/highlight to otherwise-flat nodeboxes. |
| 08:47 |
prestidigitator |
Is the author still around? Maybe if he isn't willing to maintain it, he'd be open to alternate licenses. |
| 08:47 |
VanessaE |
flatly-lighted I mean |
| 08:47 |
VanessaE |
prestidigitator: nope, he seems to have disappeared. |
| 08:47 |
VanessaE |
Last post: 2012-12-05 09:16:47 |
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kaeza |
prestidigitator, I e-mailed him but got no response so far |
| 08:48 |
VanessaE |
(last visit, a day later) |
| 08:48 |
prestidigitator |
Ah. Bummer. |
| 08:48 |
mauvebic |
hopefully all is well, get nothing but bad news on spain/itality in the cdn news |
| 08:48 |
mauvebic |
*italy lol |
| 08:49 |
mauvebic |
and cyprus lately |
| 08:49 |
VanessaE |
maybe he's lost internet connectivity then? |
| 08:50 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, so a single texture with varying light levels then? or just a single node? |
| 08:50 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: eh? |
| 08:50 |
mauvebic |
with high unemployment there, anything possible i guess |
| 08:50 |
kaeza |
what to do about the lamp |
| 08:50 |
VanessaE |
OH |
| 08:50 |
kaeza |
+s |
| 08:50 |
VanessaE |
I'd do multiple nodes |
| 08:50 |
VanessaE |
so that I can texture them with varying apparent light intensities |
| 08:51 |
kaeza |
ok |
| 08:51 |
mauvebic |
floor lamps! |
| 08:51 |
kaeza |
+1 |
| 08:51 |
mauvebic |
you'd need a central stick thingy |
| 08:51 |
mauvebic |
and you could use that stick thingy to make a hat-rack too |
| 08:51 |
VanessaE |
(like a tan lampshade when the light is off, sort of off-white at low, a bit brighter, and then something with a bright flare at the highest) |
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ironzorg |
inb4 magic_lantern ! |
| 08:51 |
kaeza |
I'm making also some desks, a bathtub, microwave, a dishwasher, etc |
| 08:52 |
VanessaE |
ironzorg: see my HDX textures for same :-) |
| 08:52 |
ironzorg |
VanessaE: I saw you did textures, couldn't see them tho |
| 08:52 |
mauvebic |
i made some pretty cool teleport pads in nodeboxes hehe |
| 08:52 |
VanessaE |
https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/magic_lantern_0.jpg |
| 08:53 |
kaeza |
some showcase of HDX: https://sites.google.com/site/lkaezadl3/minetest-city |
| 08:53 |
prestidigitator |
Complete with stick thingies? |
| 08:53 |
mauvebic |
stick thingies yes |
| 08:53 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: you seriously MUST save that out as a worldedit file so I can import it into my map ;-) |
| 08:53 |
mauvebic |
new mob: Stick Thingies! :p |
| 08:53 |
ironzorg |
very nice VanessaE |
| 08:53 |
mauvebic |
kaeza we have the same layout lol |
| 08:54 |
prestidigitator |
Ooh. Shiny gold. Mmm. |
| 08:54 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, it's around 1000x1000 now... want fries with that? |
| 08:54 |
VanessaE |
sure - I'll have a double helping, thank you ;-) |
| 08:54 |
VanessaE |
ok so 1km square is a bit muxh |
| 08:54 |
VanessaE |
much* |
| 08:54 |
mauvebic |
mauvebic>http://www.zimg.eu/i/4288406639 ... http://www.zimg.eu/i/1537051166 |
| 08:54 |
kaeza |
I will however save a schematic of the parh |
| 08:55 |
kaeza |
park |
| 08:55 |
mauvebic |
since this map (http://www.zimg.eu/i/3409579944) is new it should be easier to upload than my ancient one |
| 08:55 |
prestidigitator |
Wow. |
| 08:55 |
mauvebic |
and its got 15 ships for 2 residents lol |
| 08:55 |
VanessaE |
http://ifunny.mobi/#1QR6Vh8J |
| 08:55 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 08:55 |
mauvebic |
for a safe and secure society |
| 08:56 |
mauvebic |
:P |
| 08:56 |
mauvebic |
my wife decided on a new map: she wanted all my ships on one side of it lol |
| 08:57 |
mauvebic |
so long as she lets me be anal about roads/infrastructures, all is good lol |
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kaeza |
VanessaE, if I had the bandwidth, I'd even upload the entire map. there are 3 or 4 such cities in there, plus a teleport network, and some cool terrain formations |
| 08:58 |
kaeza |
it's currently around 200MB |
| 08:58 |
mauvebic |
not bad |
| 08:58 |
mauvebic |
old map > 700mb |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 08:58 |
prestidigitator |
Too bad it's Star Wars that has those little mousy robot things for cleaning. |
| 08:58 |
mauvebic |
we finally had to ditch it tho, ive made too many mod changes lately lol |
| 08:59 |
kaeza |
hehe.. the map is also bugged as hell.. used MOBF and there are a ton of unknown entities |
| 08:59 |
mauvebic |
me too lol |
| 09:00 |
mauvebic |
and several dozen types of unknown nodes for nodes that have mostly migrated to other mods lol |
| 09:00 |
prestidigitator |
Bah! Yeah. Is it working again yet? |
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mauvebic |
the only thing i had left in 4seasons was palm/slim trees and i tossed those when i put moretrees on insta-spawn :p |
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VanessaE |
morning, Calinou |
| 09:02 |
kaeza |
are you the author of the 4seasons mod? |
| 09:02 |
mauvebic |
hell yeah lol |
| 09:02 |
kaeza |
cool... that is an amazing thing. |
| 09:03 |
kaeza |
but the ABMs tend to lag a bit |
| 09:03 |
prestidigitator |
It would be nice if unknown items still gave you a tooltip with their names, so you could better judge how important they were, what to replace them with, etc. |
| 09:03 |
mauvebic |
meh, all it did technically was change 2/3's of default nodes 8) |
| 09:03 |
kaeza |
I wonder if LuaJit will help in this case |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: yes |
| 09:03 |
mauvebic |
tho ultimately the two seasons most people like is summer (default) and winter (as biomes now) |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
anything that's Lua will be helped at least a little, especially if the ABm has a lot of heavy activity in it |
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mauvebic |
it didn't really help binvox tho binvox reads files byte by byte so i doubt its much of a benchmark in the first place lol |
| 09:04 |
kaeza |
I guess 4seasons is just a simple set_node() call in the ABM is it not? |
| 09:04 |
mauvebic |
yeah it slowly changed the defaults depending on what season it was (a timer set on 2000+ seconds to change seasons) |
| 09:04 |
mauvebic |
and it saved the current seasons to a worldfile |
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mauvebic |
tho if you have snow biome mod and more trees (the leaves) you get mostly the same textures/nodes (except for grass in 4 shades) |
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kaeza |
whoa whoa |
| 09:06 |
mauvebic |
freenode lol |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
zzzz |
| 09:06 |
VanessaE |
getting tired.. |
| 09:07 |
* kaeza |
pust a food:coffee in VanessaE's head |
| 09:07 |
kaeza |
puts* |
| 09:07 |
VanessaE |
error while trying to place CONTENT_IGNORE |
| 09:07 |
mauvebic |
and *on perhaps, unless your hannibal lecter |
| 09:08 |
mauvebic |
*youre |
| 09:08 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 09:08 |
kaeza |
*you're |
| 09:08 |
mauvebic |
data doesnt uses contractions |
| 09:08 |
mauvebic |
:p |
| 09:08 |
kaeza |
hehe |
| 09:09 |
VanessaE |
http://ifunny.mobi/#1QR6Vh8J |
| 09:09 |
VanessaE |
hahah |
| 09:09 |
mauvebic |
if big cars are a metaphor for the phallus, i dont wanna know what the little car's about lol |
| 09:10 |
prestidigitator |
The dog's phallus. |
| 09:12 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, go have some fun http://ifunny.mobi/#Of2X8pjk |
| 09:12 |
mauvebic |
odd |
| 09:12 |
prestidigitator |
Which means obviously I am tired too. And have to get up soon enough. 'Night folks. |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
aw damn :-) |
| 09:13 |
mauvebic |
one hour to go herelol |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
I think I'll follow prestidigitator's lead and head off to bed. |
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| 09:14 |
kaeza |
anyway, I'm gonna rewrite 3df... |
| 09:14 |
mauvebic |
and i must design a park bench |
| 09:14 |
kaeza |
so I'll make a pull rq later ok? |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: regarding 3dforniture, I think the best thing is to split into three packages: the actual furniture and bathroom stuff, the 3d trees/papyrus, and the torches/chains/binding bars |
| 09:14 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, I thought about that too. not everyone likes the 3d trees for example |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
and include only the furniture/bathroom kit in homedecor, leave the other stuff as two separate mods |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
(that way I can still have them on my server, f.ex) |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
but yeah, PR it later and I'll merge it |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
off to bed with me now :-) |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
night all |
| 09:16 |
kaeza |
night V |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Exio |
hey PilzAdam! |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
before anyone is like !OH NO HE IS USING WINDOWS! whoever can make batch files i need some help please pm me |
| 12:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
anyone know batch |
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PilzAdam |
this is the wrong channel to askt |
| 12:40 |
PilzAdam |
-t |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok then what channel |
| 12:41 |
PilzAdam |
use /list to find the right channel |
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Exio |
PilzAdam: alis |
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Exio |
his connection will die with /list |
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Exio |
/msg alis help list |
| 12:55 |
Exio |
it is part of the services |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i didnt lose connection |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
the list was s long and kept going i just closed connection to stop i will figure out batch n my own |
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Exio |
yes, exactly |
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kaeza1 |
!OH NO HE IS USING WINDOWS! |
| 13:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
kaeza i do use linux |
| 13:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
use it on tablet |
| 13:04 |
v2px |
0.4.5 is still not in the table ubuntu ppa |
| 13:04 |
v2px |
:< |
| 13:04 |
v2px |
*stable |
| 13:07 |
PilzAdam |
AFAIK the launchpad site is broken |
| 13:14 |
v2px |
even if the page is broken, it's not in the repository http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/stable/ubuntu/pool/main/m/minetestc55/ |
| 13:22 |
bas080 |
This is seriously not funny anymore... I have seen the effects of WW2. I do not see any reason to apply this to the mod dualport. I have had similar remarks on the jungletree mod. Could the moderators please cleanup this thread and warn people in the future to not have similar discussions. This is not what minetest is about! < http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=78760#p78760 |
| 13:28 |
bas080 |
Nazi is mentioned 3 times. The mod does not come near implying such a thing. It is the obsession of these users that imply this |
| 13:29 |
v2px |
I agree but swastikas are tainted now, I too think you shouldn't use them |
| 13:30 |
bas080 |
If moderators see reason for me to change my texture because it does imply such a thing then i will. |
| 13:31 |
v2px |
please also have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Germany |
| 13:31 |
v2px |
installing your mod would be illegal in germany |
| 13:32 |
bas080 |
v2Px, you are trying to get a reaction out of me. |
| 13:32 |
v2px |
no, I>'m not, I'm stating the facts |
| 13:33 |
bas080 |
good for you |
| 13:33 |
v2px |
good for me? woah, what's wrong with you? |
| 13:33 |
v2px |
seriously.. |
| 13:33 |
bas080 |
what is wrong with you? |
| 13:33 |
bas080 |
for real! |
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Minetester |
calm down, guys |
| 13:39 |
Minetester |
using the mod in germany is not forbidden, even if it would be a swastika |
| 13:40 |
Minetester |
§86 StGb just says, that it is forbidden to publish or show in public symbols of nazis |
| 13:41 |
sfan5 |
uhh, what? |
| 13:41 |
sfan5 |
!g §86 StGb |
| 13:41 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86.html |
| 13:42 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 13:43 |
Minetester |
"im Inland verbreitet oder zur Verbreitung im Inland oder Ausland herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder ausführt oder in Datenspeichern öffentlich zugänglich macht, " |
| 13:44 |
Minetester |
verbreiten ist hier das schlüsselwort |
| 13:44 |
Minetester |
bzw öffentlich zugänglich machen |
| 13:45 |
v2px |
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsextreme_Symbole_und_Zeichen |
| 13:45 |
v2px |
scrollen zu hakenkreuz |
| 13:45 |
PilzAdam |
bas080, the servers of the Minetest forums are located in germany, so the content of it should follow the german law |
| 13:45 |
v2px |
Hakenkreuz: Zeichen der NSDAP, negativ Zeichen der Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten/Nationaler Aktivisten (ANS/NA); verboten und strafbar in allen denkbaren Varianten, also auch seitenverkehrt, negativ etc., sogar (eine Zeit lang) in der rot durchgestrichenen Version, ein beliebter Jackenaufnäher linksorientierter Punks. Dies änderte sich jedoch mit einer Entscheidung des Bundesgerichtshofs 1973.[12] |
| 13:45 |
PilzAdam |
bas080, see http://forum.minetest.net/misc.php?action=rules |
| 13:46 |
v2px |
go We |
| 13:46 |
v2px |
oops |
| 13:49 |
Minetester |
y2px, der artikel verweist auch nur auf §86 |
| 13:49 |
Minetester |
PilzAdam, das ändert die situation natürlich, da so der strafbestand des öffentlich zugänglich machens erfüllt ist |
| 13:51 |
Minetester |
conclusion: the texture has to be changed as long it is published on this forum |
| 13:51 |
sfan5 |
^ bas080 |
| 13:51 |
PilzAdam |
does this texture even have a hakenkreuz? |
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| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: some people (including me) can see one |
| 13:53 |
Minetester |
the posts show: some ppl see a hakenkreuz in it |
| 13:53 |
Minetester |
so there is no doubt it has to be changed |
| 13:54 |
bas080 |
sfan5, please draw where you see the cross and share with me |
| 13:55 |
bas080 |
That way i can avoid future issues. |
| 13:55 |
PilzAdam |
"(4) Ist die Schuld gering, so kann das Gericht von einer Bestrafung nach dieser Vorschrift absehen." |
| 13:55 |
PilzAdam |
"(2) Propagandamittel im Sinne des Absatzes 1 sind nur solche Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3), deren Inhalt gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung oder den Gedanken der Völkerverständigung gerichtet ist." |
| 13:56 |
PilzAdam |
I think (2) does not have effect here, and even then I think (4) would suit this case |
| 13:56 |
v2px |
hat bei anderen spielen auch nix geholfen |
| 13:57 |
PilzAdam |
I dont think how teleporters are against the democracy |
| 13:57 |
Minetester |
na gegenwärtiger rechtssprechung ist aber genau das hakenkreuz und ähnliche abbildungen gegen die freiheitliche demokratische grundordnung gerichtet |
| 13:57 |
v2px |
so ist es |
| 13:57 |
PilzAdam |
aber in dieser Textur ist es fraglich ob das überhaupt ein Hakenkreuz ist |
| 13:57 |
Minetester |
und gerade bei uns wird so etwas auch strenger geahndet als in der restlichen welt |
| 13:58 |
bas080 |
PilzAdam, you are assuming there is blame. This is the blackhole effect. How can you see what isn't visible? Imagination maybe?! |
| 13:58 |
v2px |
ich seh ziemlich deutlich eins |
| 13:58 |
v2px |
natuerlich soll es keins darstellen |
| 13:58 |
bas080 |
A checkers board has crosses! |
| 13:58 |
sfan5 |
BackupCoder: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/pic.png |
| 13:58 |
Minetester |
also, grundsätzlich ist es nicht dramatisch, aber das problem ist hier, dass das forum auf deutschen servern steht |
| 13:59 |
Minetester |
*liegt |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
ja |
| 13:59 |
PilzAdam |
seit wann ist das hackenkreuz bunt? |
| 13:59 |
Jeija |
Ich seh auch ganz klar eines, ich würde es einfach sicherheitshalber ändern |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
^ meine meinung ebenso |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
*ebenso meine meinung |
| 13:59 |
Minetester |
ich gebe dir im prinzip recht, PilzAdam, aber wir sollten auf nummer sicher gehen |
| 13:59 |
PilzAdam |
Ich würde das auch lieber entfernen |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
scheiß tab |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
bas080: http://sfan5.dyndns.org/pic.png |
| 14:00 |
v2px |
uebrigens gilt eher http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86a.html |
| 14:00 |
v2px |
imho |
| 14:00 |
PilzAdam |
hab das auch bas080 im PM geraten |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
v2px: gilt das auch für ausländer die sich nicht in deutschland befinden? |
| 14:00 |
v2px |
und das trifft somit auch user in .de (einfuehrung) |
| 14:00 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, ja klar, die server stehn ja hier |
| 14:00 |
v2px |
und wie war das noch glecih mit die mt server stehen in .de? |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
die stehen irgendwo im rechenzentrum bei hetzner iirc |
| 14:02 |
PilzAdam |
hm, "Den in Satz 1 genannten Kennzeichen stehen solche gleich, die ihnen zum Verwechseln ähnlich sind." |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
deswegen geht auch bunt |
| 14:02 |
PilzAdam |
das ist die Hauptfrage hier |
| 14:02 |
v2px |
wikipedia zitat nochmal: [...] verboten und strafbar in allen denkbaren Varianten, also auch seitenverkehrt, negativ etc. [...] |
| 14:02 |
v2px |
also auch bunt |
| 14:03 |
PilzAdam |
und da man sieht, dass viele im Forum es als Hakenkreuz interpretieren, scheint das zuzutreffen |
| 14:03 |
Minetester |
jein, da es nicht eine "geschlossene form" hat |
| 14:03 |
Minetester |
wie gesagt, die schlüsselwörter hier sind "verbreiten" und "öffentlich zugänglich machen" |
| 14:03 |
Minetester |
wenn die server nicht in de wären alles kein problem |
| 14:04 |
v2px |
seh ich nciht so, in abstatz 2 steht, dass auch das fuer die verwendung vorraetig halten verboten ist |
| 14:05 |
v2px |
wobei.. wie verwendet man jetzt gleich nochmal ein hakenkreuz? *g* |
| 14:05 |
v2px |
werden die geworfen? |
| 14:05 |
v2px |
scnr.. |
| 14:05 |
sfan5 |
wartet mal.. ist nicht eigentlich der schuld der die/den server hostet wo das bild drauf liegt? |
| 14:05 |
Minetester |
lol |
| 14:06 |
bas080 |
afk |
| 14:06 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, siehe forum rules |
| 14:06 |
Minetester |
nein, da das bild hier gepostet wurde |
| 14:06 |
Jeija |
Das hab ich mir auch schon überlegt, aber verbreiten tut forum.minetest.net es ja trotzdem |
| 14:06 |
PilzAdam |
"n any event you are responsible for your posts, and the other users are responsible for their posts, not the operators of this forum." |
| 14:06 |
Jeija |
Und ein impressum fehlt, wo was wegen externen sachen drinsteht |
| 14:06 |
PilzAdam |
*In |
| 14:06 |
v2px |
und vorraetig halten zur verwendung [sic] jeder downloader |
| 14:06 |
sfan5 |
das bild ist allerdings auch _öffenlich_ auf github.com zugänglich |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
*öffentlich |
| 14:07 |
Minetester |
du bist dran, egal ob das bild in honolulu liegt oder bei dir auf dem server |
| 14:07 |
PilzAdam |
hat github auch so einen "disclaimer"? |
| 14:07 |
Minetester |
entscheident ist, dass man es über deine seite aufrufen kann |
| 14:07 |
Minetester |
und da hilft auch der disclaimer nicht |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: bestimmt |
| 14:08 |
Minetester |
*entscheidend |
| 14:08 |
v2px |
fuer github gelten ganz andere gesetze |
| 14:09 |
RealBadAngel |
germans takin over minetest? :) |
| 14:09 |
PilzAdam |
ist das topic gelöscht worden? |
| 14:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Jeija: Can you please add table.insert etc to luacontrollers? |
| 14:09 |
v2px |
ich find auch nicht, das wir das auf grundlage der rechtslage entscheiden sollten, sondern auf grundlage dessen, ob wir etwas haben wollen, was daran erinnert. im offiziellen forum. (und ich sag jetzt einfach mal wir, obwohl ich nur her mitlese) |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: *germans talking about laws |
| 14:09 |
RealBadAngel |
i kann verstehen |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
*ich |
| 14:10 |
Minetester |
ich würde das riskio nicht auf rechtsgrundlage zu entscheiden nicht eingehen wollen |
| 14:10 |
RealBadAngel |
ich habt gewohnen in Berlin fuenf jahren |
| 14:11 |
Minetester |
aber wenn "die chefs" hier das machen wollen |
| 14:11 |
PilzAdam |
Minetester, wir haben ja gesehen, dass es auf jeden fall strittig ist |
| 14:11 |
RealBadAngel |
but i do prefer english anyway |
| 14:11 |
PilzAdam |
deßhalb ist es das beste die textur einfach zu entfernen/ändern |
| 14:12 |
Minetester |
ganz meine meinung |
| 14:12 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, about background Blockmen proposed |
| 14:12 |
RealBadAngel |
theres out there better one made by cisoun |
| 14:12 |
Minetester |
nur traurig dass man noch heute sich mit dem mist befassen muss, im jahr 2013 |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
who uses windows |
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| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
es wär kein problem wenn die Leute im forum damit nicht angefangen hätten |
| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
einfach alle wegen "trolling" bannen |
| 14:13 |
RealBadAngel |
jojoa1997|Tablet, Bill Gates supporters |
| 14:13 |
Minetester |
gute idee :) |
| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
(auch VanessaE :-)) |
| 14:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
RealBadAngel my mom bought it |
| 14:14 |
Kraxie21|Tindle |
RBA, whats with you and nekogloop? |
| 14:14 |
Minetester |
ok, dann nur den anfänger |
| 14:14 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add table.* to luacontroller sandbox 36bcce57b0 2013-03-26T07:12:56-07:00 http://git.io/9xGwCg |
| 14:14 |
ShadowNinja |
thanks |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
Kraxie21|Tindle, he dont like me thats all |
| 14:14 |
Kraxie21|Tindle |
!help |
| 14:14 |
* sfan5 |
fängt schon mal an ein script zu schreiben was alle bannt die das wort je benutzt haben ;) |
| 14:15 |
sfan5 |
Kraxie21|Tindle: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules |
| 14:15 |
Kraxie21|Tindle |
Yeah, he really rails on you. |
| 14:15 |
Minetester |
sfan5, +1 |
| 14:15 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Nice, but I cant open links |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
thats bad |
| 14:16 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
</kindle> |
| 14:16 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I als crash when I leave this page |
| 14:16 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
als* |
| 14:16 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
omg |
| 14:16 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
also* |
| 14:17 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Has anyone made a windows build that has Jeija's particles ? |
| 14:17 |
PilzAdam |
sure |
| 14:17 |
PilzAdam |
its in my latest build |
| 14:17 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Tell ibanez |
| 14:18 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/wVwEoaF.jpg |
| 14:18 |
sfan5 |
it should also be my latest build |
| 14:18 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
He wont add particles to his slimes until then |
| 14:19 |
RealBadAngel |
imho this is way better for background |
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| 14:20 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, is this mergeable with the moving clouds? |
| 14:20 |
RealBadAngel |
im not sure, you shall ask cisoun |
| 14:20 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Has anyone tried isolating the HUD API from metology? |
| 14:20 |
RealBadAngel |
it is his artwork. title has to go a bit up anyways |
| 14:21 |
PilzAdam |
Traxie21|Kindle, AFAIK hmmmm wants to do it differently |
| 14:21 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
oi |
| 14:21 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
well, at least get him to do it. |
| 14:22 |
hmmmm |
well i'm not completely opposed to metology hud |
| 14:22 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I cant weight much longer |
| 14:22 |
bas080 |
Back, Last thing i am saying about this. I can imagine that some people see a cross in texture. However i do not see a reason for these people to post these ideas on the forum. If they are truly offended they should flag this by notifying the place of this content or the moderators. |
| 14:22 |
hmmmm |
i need to seriously consider it |
| 14:22 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
It would be nie if it was more formspec like |
| 14:23 |
hmmmm |
i think it's more like, i don't want to merge it just *like that*, i'd want to make changes |
| 14:23 |
RealBadAngel |
formspec needs rebuilding at some point |
| 14:23 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Ikr |
| 14:23 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
its bulky and ugly |
| 14:24 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
we need an on-screen drawing standard |
| 14:24 |
RealBadAngel |
we need there some modularity and easiness adding elements |
| 14:24 |
kaeza |
RealBadAngel, OO would suit well for formspecs IMHO |
| 14:24 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
| |
| 14:25 |
hmmmm |
yeah but we also don't want servers to shit up the client's screen at the same time |
| 14:25 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
-+- |
| 14:25 |
RealBadAngel |
rebuliding STRING each time is just nonsense |
| 14:25 |
kaeza |
s/formspec/formspec items/ |
| 14:25 |
hmmmm |
that was the original concern with the bar api |
| 14:25 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Heck, why not a minetest.register_formspec |
| 14:25 |
hmmmm |
"arbitrary drawing of things on the client's screen" |
| 14:25 |
Minetester |
bas080, +1. you are absolutely right |
| 14:26 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
also, has anyone seen my topic on compiling? |
| 14:27 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I know RAPHAEL was working on something like it. |
| 14:27 |
RealBadAngel |
are you trying to compile mt for kindle? :0 |
| 14:27 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
no |
| 14:27 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Metrology has it |
| 14:27 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
for an internetless linux box |
| 14:27 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
so I can code at home |
| 14:27 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4767 |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, sheets are now perfect. i do love them |
| 14:28 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
brb |
| 14:28 |
hmmmm |
ya, i know~ |
| 14:28 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
btw |
| 14:28 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
I'm kindling and driving to some degree. |
| 14:29 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
fear me |
| 14:29 |
hmmmm |
i'm not sure about claylike ore anymore, might dump it. the claylike ore in lua takes mostly 0ms, sometimes 7, sometimes 15 |
| 14:29 |
hmmmm |
it's not really a problem at all |
| 14:29 |
hmmmm |
and the way clay is implemented in lua is pretty dumb honestly |
| 14:30 |
RealBadAngel |
not much really |
| 14:31 |
RealBadAngel |
but claylike should be able also to spawn obsidian around lava lakes |
| 14:31 |
Traxie21|Kindle |
Traxie21|Laptop in a sec |
| 14:31 |
RealBadAngel |
and one more thing |
| 14:32 |
RealBadAngel |
i can see gold is in |
| 14:32 |
NakedFury |
with claylike can you tell it to spawn with conditions right? |
| 14:32 |
RealBadAngel |
it is a step merging moreores? |
| 14:32 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, gold isnt upstream yet |
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hmmmm |
yeah |
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| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
i downloaded the change last night? |
| 14:33 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Meow |
| 14:33 |
hmmmm |
i'd need to add some more parameters so people can tell OreClaylike exactly what they want to do |
| 14:33 |
hmmmm |
and it'd turn out to not be as clean as i'd like |
| 14:34 |
hmmmm |
and it's not really necessary to begin with |
| 14:35 |
hmmmm |
also guys, let's make a push to get the moreores addition finished |
| 14:35 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
could someone hurry up and fix chat? |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
It should be only commenting out a line or two |
| 14:36 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Finally |
| 14:36 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
My kindle caught up. |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmm, agree to push moreores |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
mt needs damn content |
| 14:36 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
MT needs damn API |
| 14:36 |
* Traxie21|Laptop |
ducks |
| 14:36 |
RealBadAngel |
hell it needs lotsa things |
| 14:37 |
RealBadAngel |
its hungry beast ;) |
| 14:37 |
v2px |
how are the ubuntu ppa pakages built? I'm gonna go and build my own if the new release isn't added |
| 14:38 |
NakedFury |
hmmm and RealBadAngel are you talking about merging moreores to the default game? |
| 14:39 |
PilzAdam |
NakedFury, I am working on adding some ores from moreores to the default game |
| 14:39 |
RealBadAngel |
yes |
| 14:39 |
PilzAdam |
but not merge as it is currently |
| 14:39 |
NakedFury |
thats nice |
| 14:39 |
RealBadAngel |
but ores just |
| 14:39 |
NakedFury |
I always felt that minetest didnt have more stuff because a mod came faster and scooped it up |
| 14:39 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5277 |
| 14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
NakedFury, mods make standards here |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
Also, how do you gget your server in the public server list? server_announce dosnt seem to work for me |
| 14:41 |
RealBadAngel |
if a mod is a must have why not merge it and make it faster? |
| 14:42 |
hmmmm |
might not be able to make it faster |
| 14:42 |
RealBadAngel |
you already did |
| 14:42 |
hmmmm |
that was something that had to be done though |
| 14:42 |
hmmmm |
i don't want to do that for every mod to be added |
| 14:43 |
NakedFury |
I meant like before celeron got to add gold ore say another resource he was gonna add some modder came and made a mod with that ore, so celeron then if he added it would have seem as if he was copying the mod or something |
| 14:43 |
RealBadAngel |
but this particular one you have to agree |
| 14:43 |
RealBadAngel |
this one made standards |
| 14:44 |
RealBadAngel |
notice i dont want to add my own ores, from technic |
| 14:44 |
NakedFury |
likes minecarts, will they ever go to default game> |
| 14:45 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Announce to master server list: how? |
| 14:46 |
RealBadAngel |
hmmmm, btw would you like to pick another challenge? :) |
| 14:47 |
hmmmm |
what? |
| 14:47 |
RealBadAngel |
asking because with stratuses you did well |
| 14:47 |
RealBadAngel |
Volcanoes |
| 14:47 |
hmmmm |
not really, i want to focus on mapgen v7 and block sending now |
| 14:48 |
RealBadAngel |
cmon, just one volcanoe :) |
| 14:48 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Whats in V7? |
| 14:48 |
hmmmm |
lots of cool stuff, including user-definable biomes |
| 14:48 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
DO IT |
| 14:48 |
RealBadAngel |
make volcanoes and use it in v7 |
| 14:51 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Oi |
| 14:51 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Can anyone answer my question? |
| 14:51 |
RealBadAngel |
Biomes |
| 14:51 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
no |
| 14:51 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Before that: |
| 14:51 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Announce to master server list: how? |
| 14:51 |
RealBadAngel |
that idk |
| 14:52 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I know its server_announce = 1, but it dosnt seem to work |
| 14:52 |
PilzAdam |
Traxie21|Laptop, just set server_announce=1 in minetest.conf |
| 14:52 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I did... |
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Kacey |
hi all |
| 14:54 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Hai |
| 14:57 |
kaeza |
sup |
| 14:58 |
v2px |
celeron55_: could you build a ppa package for 0.4.5? :/ |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
Does anyone have experience compiling minetest here? |
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khonkhortisan |
I've compiled minetest, but you wouldn't want it |
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| 15:03 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: launchpad is still broken for minetest stable builds |
| 15:03 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: if you want this issue to be resolved, go contact launchpad support with this link https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-c55-stable |
| 15:04 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: alternatively just use the daily build; it works fine |
| 15:04 |
celeron55_ |
(but is kind of suboptimal) |
| 15:04 |
v2px |
yep, I'll do that! that's at least an answer, thanks. |
| 15:05 |
v2px |
Is tis bug reported on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad? |
| 15:09 |
celeron55_ |
it's reported nowhere |
| 15:11 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
AWESOME |
| 15:11 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
My server is running faster than most other server's I've seen :D |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
</freehost> |
| 15:12 |
v2px |
celeron55_: why not? |
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Kacey |
i used to compile but then switched to windows |
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Kacey |
huh |
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kaeza |
huh |
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khonkhortisan |
huh |
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Kacey |
i am figuring out the new digilines stuff |
| 15:53 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: because you haven't done it yet |
| 15:54 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: nobody really is responsible for it and everyone is lazy |
| 15:54 |
v2px |
oh so I'm the only one that wants to install recent minetest versions on ubuntu without compiling (eg. for a server)? |
| 15:55 |
celeron55_ |
i guess somebody; but what i said stays valid :P |
| 15:56 |
v2px |
you're right |
| 15:56 |
celeron55_ |
in voluntary things like this, generally things happen if two requirements are met: 1) there are people who need something, 2) some of those people bother doing something to get it |
| 15:57 |
v2px |
The problem with reporting a bug in lauchpad is that I don't understand launchpad |
| 15:57 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Celeron |
| 15:58 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
How would one compile minetest for linux with all libraries included with the excecutable? |
| 15:58 |
celeron55_ |
Traxie21|Laptop: not too simply i guess; maybe google some cmake stuff |
| 15:59 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
lol |
| 15:59 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
ok.... |
| 15:59 |
v2px |
celeron55_: where is this broken receipe link from? |
| 15:59 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: there isn't really anything else to report than that link + "this link and stuff related to it, related to the minetest project is broken; fix it" |
| 16:01 |
celeron55_ |
v2px: http://www.minetest.net/download.php -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/upstream -> https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/minetest-c55/upstream/+recipes -> that one, or the working daly one |
| 16:01 |
celeron55_ |
that is the place where one would edit the recipe to build the new version |
| 16:01 |
v2px |
ic |
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v2px |
celeron55_: and you can't just add a new recipe? |
| 16:07 |
celeron55_ |
that would be nonsense |
| 16:07 |
celeron55_ |
if you won't contact them, then i will |
| 16:08 |
celeron55_ |
they'll generally respond within reasonable time; that is why i find odd that they haven't fixed that thing already, as the page says they will be investigating it |
| 16:08 |
celeron55_ |
it's probably why nobody has told them it's broken |
| 16:09 |
celeron55_ |
(one could mention that in the bug report too - it's probably not wise to say so in an error page because then nobody will report it, if they aren't going to automatically go fix it) |
| 16:09 |
v2px |
I really don't know anything about launchpad, which makes me unconfortable reporting a bug that I can't reproduce (as I don't even know how recipes work) |
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celeron55_ |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1160461 |
| 16:13 |
v2px |
thanks ;) |
| 16:22 |
hmmmm |
( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊ八八ﾉヽﾉヽﾉヽﾉ ＼ / ＼/ ＼ |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
Ok |
| 16:28 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Server_announce=1 is not doing anything |
| 16:28 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
How does one fix that? |
| 16:29 |
PilzAdam |
have you compiled Minetest with curl and json? |
| 16:29 |
hmmmm |
probably by making Server lower case |
| 16:29 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I think so pilz |
| 16:29 |
PilzAdam |
*Adan |
| 16:29 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
and yes, it is lowercase |
| 16:29 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Sorry |
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PilzAdam |
**Adam |
| 16:29 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
not entirely sure on curl |
| 16:29 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
is there a way to test? |
| 16:30 |
PilzAdam |
yes, if you dont have curl then you cant access the public server list |
| 16:30 |
PilzAdam |
*read |
| 16:30 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
That helped a ton... |
| 16:30 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I'm running the server on linux, and the client on windows.. |
| 16:30 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
VPS for the server |
| 16:30 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
so I don't know if it can see it or not |
| 16:31 |
PilzAdam |
is it a run_in_place version on the server? |
| 16:31 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Yep |
| 16:31 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Calinou's build script does not seem to include curl |
| 16:31 |
PilzAdam |
run: cmake . -LH | grep curl |
| 16:31 |
PilzAdam |
*CURL |
| 16:31 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
wait, should I backup the mods and such first? |
| 16:31 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 16:32 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
CURL_INCLUDE_DIR:PATH=CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND CURL_LIBRARY:FILEPATH=CURL_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND ENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON |
| 16:32 |
PilzAdam |
okay, curl is not installed |
| 16:32 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
ok |
| 16:32 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
how would one install it? |
| 16:33 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
sudo apt-get install curl-dev? |
| 16:33 |
PilzAdam |
libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
| 16:33 |
PilzAdam |
does the server run ubuntu? |
| 16:33 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Yep |
| 16:34 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
12.04 |
| 16:34 |
PilzAdam |
then it should work |
| 16:34 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
k |
| 16:34 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Then I just clean out the directory, back up mods and games, and conf files, and recompile? |
| 16:34 |
celeron55_ |
hmm, curl hasn't been added to the example apt-get line in README.txt |
| 16:34 |
celeron55_ |
is there something else missing from it too? |
| 16:34 |
PilzAdam |
ttf? |
| 16:34 |
celeron55_ |
what's it called |
| 16:35 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Also, is there a way to compile the server without compiling the entire client too? |
| 16:35 |
PilzAdam |
cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=1 |
| 16:35 |
PilzAdam |
*0 |
| 16:35 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
k |
| 16:35 |
celeron55_ |
you can also build it without the actual irrlicht library, only it's headers |
| 16:36 |
PilzAdam |
celeron55_, libfreetype6-dev |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
This takes so long, the server dosnt lag, but FTP does XD |
| 16:36 |
ShadowNinja |
Traxie21|Laptop: did you figure out the publick thing yet? |
| 16:36 |
celeron55_ |
(that requires rm CMakeCache.txt, then cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=/where/you/downloaded/bare/irrlicht-1.8.x |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Hopefully |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Adam, I'm installing Minitest, Slimes, and SEx on my server :D |
| 16:37 |
hmmmm |
from what i've heard, irrlicht 1.8 is slower than 1.7 |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I saw the commits you made, its awesome |
| 16:38 |
hmmmm |
so, no idea why people would want to upgrade |
| 16:38 |
hmmmm |
minetest has enough framerate problems already |
| 16:41 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: README.txt: Add some build stuff 880d9e53c3 2013-03-26T09:40:32-07:00 http://git.io/BNWl1A |
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rubenwardy |
hi all |
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kaeza |
hai ruben |
| 16:53 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
hai |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
any news? |
| 16:57 |
* Kacey |
is still figuring out the new digilines stuff |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
./Jordach -joke random |
| 16:57 |
Jordach |
I went to my Science teachers funeral, and they asked me to say a few words, so I did. |
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Jordach |
Method: We placed the coffin into a crematorium. |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
Observation: The coffin burned with a bright orange flame. |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
Conclusion: No more homework. |
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Kacey |
lol |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
O_o |
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* Calinou |
ordered some things from amazon to somehow build a new PC |
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* Calinou |
's true spirit 140 is already on the roads :p |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
No Supplies, Drawings, Research, or Objective |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
inb4 ubuntu-trolls |
| 17:00 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Jordach's Science teacher dosn't do a lot |
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Jordach |
Traxie21|Laptop, heh |
| 17:01 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I did a homeschool co-op for Biology, and got an average score of 102%, except on labs, where I kinda sucked. :3 |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
102%? |
| 17:01 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Yep |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
hax |
| 17:01 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Got a ton of Extra Credit |
| 17:02 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I memorize easily by reading |
| 17:02 |
* Jordach |
has a even better hax |
| 17:02 |
Jordach |
if a test is coming up, i remove the first panel of the LCD screen and turn it into a pair of sunglasses |
| 17:02 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
./Use hack: Jordach |
| 17:02 |
Jordach |
Pros: People without the glasses cant see the screen |
| 17:02 |
rubenwardy |
brb |
| 17:03 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Cons: People with glasses can't see anything else |
| 17:03 |
Jordach |
Cons: Difficult to sneak a LCD panel out and modify |
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Traxie21|Laptop |
I just dont cheat on tests |
| 17:03 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
I actually hardly studied for them |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
Traxie21|Laptop, this is a hack anyone can do |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
trust me, no more will people be spying on what you do |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
If I didn't know an answer, I used logic to determine the most likely answer (Dosnt work for writing) |
| 17:04 |
* Calinou |
kinda sucks at school, but is good in english :p |
| 17:04 |
* Jordach |
does this for porn |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
.-. |
| 17:04 |
Traxie21|Laptop |
Alrighty, my server is almost up again |
| 17:04 |
Jordach |
screen appears black, actually it isnt |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
^ upside of TN screens |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
down with IPS! |
| 17:05 |
Jordach |
Calinou that's why i like my visor (screen has lost the front panel, but the visor shows all iron man style!) |
| 17:06 |
* Kacey |
is getting hungry |
| 17:06 |
* Calinou |
shut down their computer this morning while compiling something |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
for some reason I feel like I've lost some data or something :< |
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rubenwardy |
hi all again |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
hi |
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* Jordach |
waits for a friend on XboxLive |
| 17:12 |
jordan4ibanez |
Jeija, could you try to make another commit for minetest of the hotbar texture |
| 17:14 |
PilzAdam |
jordan4ibanez, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-26#i_2957529 |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
ProTip: Here's what PilzAdam looks like: https://avatar-ssl.xboxlive.com/avatar/PilzAdam/avatar-body.png |
| 17:14 |
rubenwardy |
this is me: https://avatar-ssl.xboxlive.com/avatar/rubenwardy/avatar-body.png |
| 17:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
pilzadam I can't click that |
| 17:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
not on pc |
| 17:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
what is it for? |
| 17:15 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, thats me: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/PilzAdam/stats/265755239/xbox/ |
| 17:15 |
PilzAdam |
jordan4ibanez, wait a sec. |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
Jordach: xbox-- |
| 17:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
Just realised I wrote minetest of the hotbar texture, I meant "to texture the hotbar for minetest instead of blockplanet" |
| 17:16 |
Jordach |
Calinou, youre missing out on Halo 4 |
| 17:17 |
Jordach |
(apparently you can get a keyboard and mouse converters to work with the xbox) |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
halo 4? red eclipse is butter |
| 17:17 |
jordan4ibanez |
yep, and you can use internet explorer like a pc |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
you can see your legs now |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
Calinou, they rotate without any animation |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
they just turn on a point without moving |
| 17:18 |
jordan4ibanez |
they did that in halo 3 |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
deal with it |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
Calinou, anyways, theyre going to port RE to the Xbox360 at some point (see holodeck prototype) |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
no serious player stops movign anyway :P |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
no, it's windows, not an xbox |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
xbox HW wouldn't be powerful enough |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
7 year old hardware... and they want to run RE with good settings at 60+FPS |
| 17:19 |
* Jordach |
slaps Calinou with a samsung exynos octacore CPU |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
Calinou, actually most of the hardware gets updated |
| 17:20 |
jordan4ibanez |
I can't wait for arma 3, it's going to be on ps4, xbox 720, wiiu, and the steambox |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
ARM octacore CPU |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
2006 boxes are slower compared to the falcon |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
if you're looking at amount of cores and frequency, you're wrong |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
why doesn't an FX-8350 beat an i7-3770K? the former has 8 cores, the latter 4 cores |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
Calinou, because x86 |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
jordan4ibanez: lol, consoles, still |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
quadcore ARM CPU = intel atom, btw |
| 17:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
What? They're actually capable this time around |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
Calinou, youre forgetting they have no underlying OS |
| 17:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
and because amd doesn't know how to make architexture |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
they do |
| 17:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
MOAR COREZ |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
just a very small one, and don't forget console games are optimized unlike PC ones |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
(technically speaking, any console is EFI since they load the game directly) |
| 17:21 |
Calinou |
it's intended for PC games, I'm pretty sure there are intentional bottlenecks in both the hardware and games |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
why does tesseract run so fast for its graphics? |
| 17:22 |
jordan4ibanez |
nintendo loves amd |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
Calinou, they plan on adding that thing into the NeXtBox |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
inb4 600 euros |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
and 70 euro games |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
does that reminder you the PS3? |
| 17:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
we should hault all progression of minetest, and focus on optimizing it |
| 17:23 |
Jordach |
+ one hundred beeellllioooonnnnn |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
it is much more optimized than MC already, get real hardware |
| 17:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
calinou stop trolling |
| 17:23 |
Jordach |
> Real hardware implies we use hardcore gaming towers |
| 17:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
in all seriousness though, the bottleneck of the writing of chunks slows down the gameloop |
| 17:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
why is this? |
| 17:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
if that could be fixed our servers would run CRAZY fast |
| 17:25 |
Calinou |
mapgen is very fast already |
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jordan4ibanez |
without chunks being generated and written, you can have so many entities spawned without the server slowing down up, but when the terrain starts to generate the server bogs down |
| 17:26 |
jordan4ibanez |
slowing down* |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
how are we supposed to make it faster? |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
using another database system? |
| 17:26 |
Exio |
Calinou: the 8 cores of the fx are like the 8 threads of intel |
| 17:27 |
Exio |
:P with the difference of the t/nm |
| 17:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
well does the game try to write the data on the spot without having a cache in memory? |
| 17:27 |
Exio |
(where intel wins because being monopoly) |
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Calinou |
jordan4ibanez: people will complain about RAM usage |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
people think lower RAM usage = better performance, just like lower power usage = better temperatures |
| 17:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
So what? isn't there a setting to delay the writing of chunks to the hard disk? |
| 17:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
c55 wrote a forum post on how to make the server faster, and the main thing that speeds up the server is that writing delay |
| 17:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
so why doesn't minetest default to that? |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
you can change time between saves |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
try to set it to 300 seconds or so and see maybe |
| 17:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
exactly! |
| 17:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
it's like optifine, it makes the game more fun because less lag |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
lag != low fps |
| 17:31 |
jordan4ibanez |
yes, and with constant writing = low fps |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
jordan4ibanez: so yes, did you try it, profile RAM usage and ping times on a large server? |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
people should, anyway stop caring about RAM usage, the average amount of RAM a game takes is 2GB today |
| 17:31 |
Calinou |
TF2 uses 1800MB right now here |
| 17:31 |
jordan4ibanez |
i tried it on my singleplayer game and it had beenfits out the buttcheeks |
| 17:35 |
* Calinou |
just got the Machinoob on TF2 :D |
| 17:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
could there be a slider in the main menu options menu from 0-300 seconds to write chunks to disc? |
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jordan4ibanez |
Also blockmen's better grass mod was kind of cool! |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
hey proller |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
did you make the flolands mod? |
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jordan4ibanez |
brb |
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rubenwardy |
PilzAdam: Minetest can not find any of my installed mobs on your latest build |
| 17:41 |
rubenwardy |
there is no error and it does not appear on the mod manager |
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rubenwardy |
debug log: http://pastebin.com/vMtYgS66 |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
additional info: I am using indev map gen |
| 17:47 |
PilzAdam |
what game do you use? |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
build |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
it says in log... |
| 17:48 |
PilzAdam |
then put the mods in mods/build and not in mods/minetest |
| 17:49 |
rubenwardy |
seriously? |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
The whole point of mods/ is that is should be applied to all games. |
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khonkhortisan |
RealBadAngel, I just made my rubiks cube use the new facedir, and when I turn the bottom, it looks like the shading turns with it. |
| 17:50 |
PilzAdam |
no, the whole point of mods/ is to add mods, so you dont need to modify the game |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
ok than |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
then |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
there should be a mods/all |
| 17:53 |
khonkhortisan |
http://postimg.org/image/xj8ntbag7/ |
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rubenwardy |
brb. Tea |
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proller |
Jordach, i make version in indev mapgen |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
!YES! |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i finished the texturepack converter except for converting dyes |
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khonkhortisan |
!YES! -> ¡YES! |
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khonkhortisan |
Can I make a node detect when it's pointed at? |
| 18:32 |
VanessaE |
I don't think so |
| 18:32 |
VanessaE |
good afternoon all |
| 18:33 |
khonkhortisan |
Maybe I could make the selection box huge. |
| 18:34 |
khonkhortisan |
I want to have a rubik's cube with each 'cubelet' having a black outline, but still be able to see when it's selected. |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
khonkhortisan, textures |
| 18:36 |
khonkhortisan |
yes? |
| 18:36 |
khonkhortisan |
I have a wool texture with a one-pixel black square on it |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
create your own textures then |
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khonkhortisan |
I did, I just can't see black on black |
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onpon4 |
How do you administrate a server that's started from the terminal with minetestserver? |
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Zeg9 |
onpon4, in your minetest.conf, set name=your ingame name |
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onpon4 |
Alright, thanks Zeg9! |
| 18:41 |
STHGOM |
hi Zeg9! |
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Zeg9 |
Hi sparky |
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STHGOM |
i didnt see you! |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
is anyone working on better ram usage for minetest |
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rubenwardy|away |
jojoa1997|Tablet: it is called optimisation |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
yes i see you are away |
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STHGOM |
hahaha |
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STHGOM |
dont listen to him hes away |
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Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: learn C++, optimize it, ??, profit |
| 18:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Exio give me time? |
| 18:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
to breath and then start learning |
| 18:47 |
Zeg9 |
Could anyone check minetest pull #571 ? |
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rubenwardy |
I is back |
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STHGOM |
ok ;d |
| 18:52 |
STHGOM |
;D |
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rubenwardy |
New like button on minetest extensions: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=12 |
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rubenwardy |
ping: kaeza ^^^ |
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paxcoder |
!who |
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paxcoder |
!up mt1.gameboom.net |
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MinetestBot |
mt1.gameboom.net:30000 seems to be down |
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rubenwardy |
hi |
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BlockMen_ |
hi everyone |
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rarkenin |
Hi, what Linux signal should be sent to minetestserver for a safe shutdown? Will SIGTERM work safely? |
| 19:24 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
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rarkenin |
OK. |
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BlockMen_ |
rubenwardy, have you looked at the Homepage yet? Is it compatible to your Extensions? |
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VanessaE |
http://ifunny.mobi/#DBJ5wb8J |
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VanessaE |
lol! |
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mauvebic |
http://youtu.be/V7dg8vRDM68 |
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rubenwardy |
not yet |
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us_0gb |
I don't understand the "s". |
| 19:30 |
VanessaE |
Skittles |
| 19:30 |
VanessaE |
(taste the rainbow) |
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us_0gb |
Ah. Okay. |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
<VanessaE> (taste the rainbow) => she said |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
^ my new setinfo on #redeclipse |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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VanessaE |
someone's never heard the commercial for the candy I guess |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
us_0gb: hi by the way :) |
| 19:32 |
BlockMen_ |
ok |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
I kow what skittles are |
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Calinou |
know* |
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jordan4ibanez |
if we put cactuses in the crafting table we should get 9 cactus slices |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: interesting idea -- what for? |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
can we eat cactus slices? |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
I suggest giving 40 hearts per slice. |
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us_0gb |
He, Calinou. |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
also, you can sell cactus slices to intel. for one cactus slice they'll give you a 3970X |
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us_0gb |
t*Hey |
| 19:34 |
jordan4ibanez |
we can craft a cactus block with 9 cactus slices, if we cook a cactus slice we should get cooked cactus slice, if we craft 9 cactus slices, we could get cactus brick, if we put a single cactus slice in the crafting bin with a stick shapelessly |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
1 heart per cactus block, otherwise a single cactus can fully restore health, which seems wrong to me |
| 19:34 |
jordan4ibanez |
we could get dethorned cactus slice, which could be eaten |
| 19:34 |
BlockMen_ |
how bout getting water from cactus? |
| 19:34 |
BlockMen_ |
t8 slices = 1 bucket |
| 19:34 |
BlockMen_ |
*8 |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
since when cactuses have water inside |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
(other than water-cooled cactuses) |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
:p |
| 19:35 |
VanessaE |
common survival technique in the desert |
| 19:35 |
BlockMen_ |
umm...most have? |
| 19:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
when you have a glass jar, maybe you could get cactus elixer when a cactus slice is crafted shapelessly with a glass jar |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
that's a thought... |
| 19:36 |
mauvebic |
not peyotle i hope :P |
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BlockMen_ |
sounds good |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
but either way, the healing ability of cactus should be very weak |
| 19:39 |
* Calinou |
just met someone on #minecrafthelp, who has a satellite C660 |
| 19:39 |
Calinou |
dat laptop with half-assed drivers |
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Jordach |
\O/ |
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jordan4ibanez |
Back in the day http://youtu.be/nj7KsNEhhn4 |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: point them to MT ;-() |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
;-) |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
won't work probably, the graphics driver (for the intel IGP) needs to be updated in some special way anyway |
| 19:40 |
Calinou |
to play most opengl games |
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* Calinou |
is really disappointed about today's laptops |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
what you got in 2008 for 800 euros in a 17": a middle-end graphics card, a fairly good CPU, good amount of RAM, good battery life (even though that kind of laptop uses a lot of power) |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
today you get a slightly better CPU but a totally useless graphics card, and shit battery life despite there's enduro/optimus (= lots of issues, especially on linux) |
| 19:43 |
jordan4ibanez |
Hey I just realized that this has been broken for the longest time but with latest it works again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsYNNyvBiUg |
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BlockMen_ |
won't the wooden planks get set on fire? |
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Traxie21 |
Minetest.net down? |
| 19:47 |
PilzAdam |
Traxie21, no |
| 19:47 |
jordan4ibanez |
the whole internet was down for me for a few seconds |
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jordan4ibanez |
weird |
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Traxie21 |
Strange, I timed out on minetest for like 5 mins, its up now |
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paxcoder |
i'm out too |
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jordan4ibanez |
when minetest was poop http://youtu.be/V-9B8vD441I |
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jordan4ibanez |
I just realised that unity in ubuntu 11.04 used to be nice, look what they've done to it |
| 19:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
I am the operator on #minetest in quakenet! |
| 19:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
fear me! |
| 19:53 |
dante123 |
u complaining about 13.04 unity? |
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dante123 |
!up minetest.info.tm |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down |
| 19:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm complaining about 11.10< |
| 19:54 |
Jordach |
dante123, the other day i showed someone how to build |
| 19:54 |
Jordach |
a really nice house |
| 19:55 |
dante123 |
i switched to Linux Mint 14 instead of 12.10 ubuntu.....but have 13.04 on a machine and seems peppier and like the latest unity |
| 19:55 |
dante123 |
*I like* the latest unity |
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jordan4ibanez |
traxie21 what is your server? |
| 19:55 |
jordan4ibanez |
well your opinion is WRONG! |
| 19:56 |
Traxie21 |
Sunrisetest in the public server list jordan |
| 19:56 |
dante123 |
Jordach, in my server you showed someone? or in your own? |
| 19:56 |
Traxie21 |
Theres like 5 people on ATM lol |
| 19:56 |
Jordach |
dante123, on yours |
| 19:56 |
Jordach |
near the spawn |
| 19:56 |
dante123 |
ok thanks |
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dante123 |
!up minetest.info.tm |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down |
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BlockMen_ |
hvae to leave. Bye |
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Traxie21 |
!up sunrisetest.no-ip.org:30000 |
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MinetestBot |
Traxie21: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' |
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Traxie21 |
!up sunrisetest.no-ip.org 30000 |
| 19:57 |
MinetestBot |
sunrisetest.no-ip.org:30000 is up (1.063ms) |
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dante123 |
!up minetest.info.tm |
| 19:57 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (0.319ms) |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
dante123: xubuntu 13.04, bwahahaha |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
xubuntu is to ubuntu what chromium is to chrome |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
it feels like backstabbing a linux mint|firefox developer, then sapping their dispenser |
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Traxie21 |
Ubuntu 12.10 :> |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
xubuntu 12.10 here :p |
| 19:59 |
Jordach |
12.04 |
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Traxie21 |
Windows XP SP3 |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
I'll upgrade to 13.04 when it's released |
| 19:59 |
Traxie21 |
Cal, I don't need your help with the server anymore |
| 19:59 |
Traxie21 |
I got one :D |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
sadly, I'll probably receive my SSD before it is released, so I'll have to upgrade/reinstall :( |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
Traxie21: ok, good :) |
| 19:59 |
dante123 |
sticking with Mint 14 on my main pc now, 13.04 dualboot with win 7 for school laptop |
| 19:59 |
* Calinou |
will soon receive motherboard/CPU fan/SSD, so that he can admirate them |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
need the case and the PSU :P |
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Jordach |
dante123, are you the teacher by chance? |
| 20:00 |
dante123 |
I think a lot of the Unity bashing is misdirected |
| 20:00 |
dante123 |
Yes |
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Exio |
Calinou: i don't see the point for a powerful laptop |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
okay, just remind them that i mean no hard |
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Jordach |
harm* |
| 20:00 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: got the last of my 16GB upgrade installed yesterday :-) |
| 20:01 |
Exio |
a desktop is cheaper and more powerful |
| 20:01 |
Jordach |
true |
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dante123 |
if i disable damage, they will still be able to login as usual right? |
| 20:02 |
dante123 |
we had some issues with them killing each other or annoying one another by hitting each other |
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STHGOM |
bye |
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Jordach |
dante123, yes |
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VanessaE |
dante123: sure, you can do that |
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Jordach |
enable_pvp = false |
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VanessaE |
disabling damage also disabled fall damage and the like, too, I think |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: oh, and I'll have to change my RAM too :( 1333mhz RAM sucks at overclocking |
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dante123 |
My son is going to University of Waterloo next year.....and we are looking to get him a good laptop....just not sure what to get.\ |
| 20:03 |
Calinou |
fortunately I found 2×4GB of 1600mhz RAM, which is low profile too, at a good price |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
dante123: anything that isn't acer, toshiba or HP is good |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
generally asus makes good laptops |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: I'm too chickenshit to overclock :-) (1333 here also) |
| 20:04 |
dante123 |
He claims he needs bluray in it....but would settle for external blu ray drive |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
as long as it has a 17" screen it should be fine, just don't get one with an useless graphics card |
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* Calinou |
looks at the 710M |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
Deivan: well blu-ray readers aren't too expensive anymore, at least for desktop drives |
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jordan4ibanez |
hmmm |
| 20:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
I just had a great ide |
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jordan4ibanez |
idea |
| 20:04 |
dante123 |
He runs linux too......but if it came with windows he'd likely just dualboot it |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
bluray in laptops is a "no just no" except in 1800 euro ones |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
dante123: very few asus laptops come without OS |
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jordan4ibanez |
ghosts, basically a ghast combined with the wither that blows EVERYTHING up |
| 20:05 |
dante123 |
would like to have 8gb ram minimum |
| 20:05 |
Deivan |
oO |
| 20:05 |
dante123 |
his program involves digital editing |
| 20:05 |
Deivan |
:-o |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
however, if you want no OS, clevo sells laptops without OS, and even without RAM or storage if you want to put some yourself! |
| 20:05 |
Deivan |
AFK |
| 20:05 |
Exio |
i had very good experiences with acer |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
clevo might be a good choice for "partially" building your own laptop somehow |
| 20:05 |
Jordach |
dante123, protip try lenovo |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
but their prices are quite high |
| 20:05 |
Exio |
and kill yourself then Jordach |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
lenovo is overrated now :P |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
they used to make though, nice stuff, but really it has changed |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
dante123: do not try to get powerful hardware in a laptop, too |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
my brother has a lenovo tower, really nice |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
gaming is something you should do on a desktop unless you want to spend 3000€ on a laptop with a SLI of 680Ms :P |
| 20:06 |
dante123 |
why not Calinou? |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
mobile graphic cards and CPUs are nerf guns |
| 20:06 |
Exio |
because that is expensive as hell |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
a GTX680M (~400-500€ in a laptop) is less powerful than a 660Ti (~230€) |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
you can overclock the latter to a much higher speed too |
| 20:07 |
dante123 |
the high end chromebook that Linus Torvalds is crazy about caught my eye |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
john_minetest: xubuntu + sudo apt-get install |
| 20:07 |
dante123 |
run the script that installs ubuntu alongside it |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
dante123: small screen, bad performance/price, hard to repair (battery is hard to replace)... |
| 20:08 |
jordan4ibanez |
how do I add a server to my favourites? |
| 20:08 |
dante123 |
when do manufacturers typically release new laptop models? May, Summer, Fall |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
there is no real reason to wait for a new release of something |
| 20:08 |
Exio |
Calinou: battery hard to replace? what? |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
haswell will make the prices go up as usual *looks at ultrabooks* |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
Exio: in the chromebook, isn't it a PITA to repair stuff in general? |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
it's an apple-like thing, I imagine the RAM requiring a whole dismount of the laptop to be changed |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: you forgot "less space than a Nomad. Lame." |
| 20:09 |
* Calinou |
doesn't get the joke |
| 20:09 |
Exio |
no idea, with my netbook it is just taking a screwdriver and just "open" the stuff below it, no idea how to say it :P |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: it's some silly meme on Slashdot |
| 20:09 |
Exio |
and, the battery is just pressing a button and move it |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
for any device whose performace/capacity specs are pathetic, you add that sentence to the end. |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
netbook != chromebook |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: OCZ would like to talk with you for their PCI-E SSD :P |
| 20:10 |
Exio |
ik |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
750 euros for 750GB (including 100GB of very fast SSD storage) |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
they can keep their PCIe cards. I don't trust such devices for storage purposes |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
while you can get a RAID 0 of two 512GB SSD for the same price, better performance and full SSD |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
though that isn't too bad of a price, but SATA SSD's are now down well under a buck a gig |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
I think approaching 50 cents when on sale |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
or the samsung 840? 8D |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
750 euros for 750gb? youre getting screwed |
| 20:15 |
* Jordach |
can pay 100 euros for a 2tb disc |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
and i thought we paid more for everything in canada lol aparently not tech |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
seriously i can get 3tb's for 120$ these days |
| 20:16 |
mauvebic |
(120 cdn) |
| 20:16 |
mauvebic |
roughly the same as USD |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: solid state disk dude |
| 20:16 |
mauvebic |
or a little more on certain days |
| 20:16 |
dante123 |
VanessaE can you double check you can get into my server? |
| 20:16 |
mauvebic |
SSD's are hardly new here now |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
dante123: what was the IP again? |
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Jordach |
minetest.info.tm |
| 20:19 |
dante123 |
minetest.info.tm or 24.231.72.57 |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: SSDs not SSD's :P |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
the only cases where using ' is acceptable is in something like "no if's, and's or but's" |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I learned 's for such abbreviations when the abbreviation can't be pronounced as a word. e.g. RADARs versus DVD's |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
guess that isn't taught anymore |
| 20:24 |
Calinou |
maybe |
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jordan4ibanez |
http://i.imgur.com/YIrDCNt.png |
| 20:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
does it look weird? |
| 20:49 |
Jordach |
anyways, dante123 - im gunna make a castle |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: oh G*D no |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
ANYTHING but that |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
I'd sooner see creepers added then skeletons |
| 20:49 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, lol |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
(otherwise, your model looks okay) |
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sfan5 |
how jordan4ibanez rated a web app (that plays videos) I just made for fun: <jordan4ibanez> it's the next youtube! |
| 20:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
it is, it's really nice |
| 20:52 |
sfan5 |
i made that just to learn a bit JQuery and JQuery UI |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
heh, crashed when joining VanessaE's server |
| 20:53 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 20:54 |
jordan4ibanez |
Thank you vanessae |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: with latest git, I can run 512px HDX again, but it takes ~6.5GB free RAM plus a bit more for the rest of the game/engine to do it |
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jordan4ibanez |
I think I'm going to have to make it 1 extruded mesh for ease of use |
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* Jordach |
pokes dante123 |
| 21:05 |
Jordach |
i've just had a really good idea |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
uh oh |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
Warning! Jordach has a "good idea" |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
Red alert |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
batten down the hatches |
| 21:07 |
Jordach |
i've always had a problem with hand mined leaves |
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* Kacey |
hides |
| 21:07 |
Jordach |
instead of making them decay and have to use tree trunks, why not salt + leaves = dry leaves? |
| 21:08 |
Jordach |
then they will never decay and are a much better choice for decorative items |
| 21:08 |
Jordach |
(also, anyone think stairs + slabs of em?) |
| 21:08 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, come to dante's server |
| 21:09 |
Jordach |
QUICKLY. |
| 21:09 |
Jordach |
unusual bug found |
| 21:09 |
Kacey |
what is the bug? |
| 21:09 |
Jordach |
minetest.info.tm : 30000 |
| 21:09 |
Jordach |
gogogo |
| 21:10 |
VanessaE |
on my way |
| 21:10 |
Jordach |
ill show you it |
| 21:11 |
Jordach |
look for my name and run |
| 21:11 |
VanessaE |
I have no fast priv. |
| 21:11 |
Jordach |
still gogogo |
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jordan4ibanez |
http://sfan5.dyndns.org/onlinemediaplay/ |
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Calinou |
lol |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: what is so funny? :/ |
| 21:31 |
Jeija |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_GT6a4M90 << Mesecons Machine Competition 3.0 - Connecting to the real life |
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Uberi |
whoa |
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jordan4ibanez |
Jeija you are growing too smart! |
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jordan4ibanez |
soon you will be able to live life through minetest! |
| 21:34 |
sfan5 |
haha |
| 21:34 |
sfan5 |
Jeija: thats awesome |
| 21:34 |
Jeija |
:) Does anyone else of you know some RL electronics, anyone willing to take part in the competition? |
| 21:34 |
Uberi |
hmmm |
| 21:35 |
* sfan5 |
doesn't have a raspi/etc |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
what is it actually? |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
can't watch videos right now |
| 21:35 |
sfan5 |
(except someone makes linux run on a gameboy) ;) |
| 21:35 |
Jeija |
I'm controlling my room light using mesecons |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
how? |
| 21:35 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, turn a light on and off with mesecon switches |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
in real life he means |
| 21:36 |
Jeija |
Mesecons->Http->Raspi->Room Light |
| 21:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't think minecraft has ever been able to do this |
| 21:36 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 21:36 |
Calinou |
please do nvidia graphic card fan control/overclocking through mesecons, kthx |
| 21:36 |
Uberi |
very very cool |
| 21:36 |
Calinou |
:> |
| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
s/has ever been/will ever be/ |
| 21:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
This is my what |
| 21:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
I can't even |
| 21:37 |
sfan5 |
i bet i'm the first person who noticed this: supertux music in the video |
| 21:37 |
Uberi |
Jeija: what output interface are you using to the light? |
| 21:37 |
jordan4ibanez |
you could control your computer with minetest |
| 21:37 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, you arent :-) |
| 21:37 |
sfan5 |
:/ |
| 21:38 |
sfan5 |
jordan4ibanez: you could make a toast with mesecons |
| 21:38 |
* Kacey |
is still figuring out the new digilines stuff |
| 21:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
that's a good idea |
| 21:38 |
Jeija |
It's a kt851A PNP transistor, the LED Stripes takes 12V |
| 21:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
jeija, make a robot with motors, to have it flip a light switch on and off |
| 21:38 |
Uberi |
Jeija: COM port? |
| 21:38 |
PilzAdam |
Jeija, can you make a solar panel turn the light on and off? so if it gets dark in MT it gets dark in your room... |
| 21:39 |
Jeija |
Nope, ethernet |
| 21:39 |
Uberi |
ooh, interesting |
| 21:39 |
Jeija |
That was the easier solution actually ^^ |
| 21:39 |
Calinou |
COM port is so 2013 |
| 21:39 |
* sfan5 |
has a small electronic solar panel |
| 21:39 |
Jeija |
jordan4ibanez: A robot doesn't sound too hard; I already have a hacked RS Media Robot lying around somewhere ^^ |
| 21:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
Nice! Can you also have it input into minetest? |
| 21:40 |
jordan4ibanez |
you could use a real life solar panel to control the time in minetest |
| 21:40 |
Jeija |
Didn't really do that of things yet, but would theoretically be possible |
| 21:41 |
Jeija |
*that kind of |
| 21:41 |
jordan4ibanez |
if it rains out, you could use a liquid detection diode, and make it rain in minetest |
| 21:41 |
Uberi |
Jeija: wait so the transistor is connected to ethernet? |
| 21:41 |
Uberi |
that seems like a strange way to do it |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
if somebody decides to do anything with usb: http://www.lowlevel.eu/wiki/USB#Elektrische_Hintergr.C3.BCnde |
| 21:42 |
Jeija |
Uberi: Did you watch the video? It's a Raspberry Pi, The Transistor is connected with the Raspberry Pi's GPIO |
| 21:42 |
Jeija |
I could get the minetest world and the real world closer and closer together until they merge some time, jordan4ibanez ;) |
| 21:42 |
Uberi |
what it has GPIO now? :O |
| 21:42 |
Jeija |
Basic Input/Output ports |
| 21:42 |
jordan4ibanez |
lmao XD |
| 21:42 |
Uberi |
since when? now I wanna REALLY buy one |
| 21:43 |
Jeija |
3.3V iirc |
| 21:43 |
Jeija |
they're kinda crappy because you get ~0.2V when off and 3.3V only if 0A, but fine for my needs |
| 21:44 |
Jeija |
AVR is definitely better... |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
hmm, I'll participate if I can get access to a PIC programmer |
| 21:44 |
Uberi |
otherwise I have no way of actually programming my chips |
| 21:45 |
* Calinou |
got killed by someone named "LINUXSLACKWARE" on AssaultCube |
| 21:45 |
Calinou |
:| |
| 21:45 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: you play AssaultCube too? |
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| 21:45 |
Exio |
WHO IS HE ILL KILL U AND HE |
| 21:45 |
Exio |
:D |
| 21:47 |
* Kacey |
wonders if cornernote will appear tonight |
| 21:47 |
Uberi |
only on a full moon |
| 21:47 |
Uberi |
when jupiter aligns with mars |
| 21:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
I can't decide |
| 21:48 |
Kacey |
he came back last night |
| 21:48 |
Uberi |
really? |
| 21:48 |
Uberi |
how's he doing? |
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Kacey |
idk he didn't talk much |
| 21:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
hmm |
| 21:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
you can have an admin have access to an emergency switch |
| 21:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
if something is going wrong on the server |
| 21:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
it will send you a text when that switch is pressed |
| 21:52 |
Uberi |
and launches nukes at antarctica, of course |
| 21:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
yes but that's just a side effect |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
[03-26 10:13] * cornernote (~cornernot27-33-254-153.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #minetest |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
huh. |
| 21:53 |
Uberi |
nobody cares about antarctica :( |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
without even saying a word? |
| 21:53 |
Kacey |
he spoke to me a little |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
has he gone sane yet? ;) |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
sfan5: yeah |
| 21:54 |
Calinou |
'night everyone :P |
| 21:54 |
Uberi |
o/ |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
night, Calinou |
| 21:54 |
Uberi |
I'm not qualified to make that judgement, VanessaE :P |
| 21:54 |
Exio |
bye Calinou \o/ |
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jordan4ibanez |
Wow I guess making a car for rigs of rods really helped me with blender |
| 22:01 |
jordan4ibanez |
this skeleton isn't coming out too bad! |
| 22:03 |
Kacey |
lol |
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* kaeza |
is back |
| 22:09 |
Exio |
wb kaeza |
| 22:12 |
kaeza |
thx :) |
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jordan4ibanez |
http://i.imgur.com/qBq9jzJ.png wild skeletons on the prowl |
| 22:21 |
paxcoder |
don't you mean upper halfs of TV people? |
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jordan4ibanez |
Yes |
| 22:22 |
dante123 |
VanessaE, what were you saying is wrong with my server? |
| 22:22 |
Uberi |
poor TV people |
| 22:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://i.imgur.com/TVtGcjW.jpg |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
dante123: you need to check your hard disk(s) for errors, check your minetest world files for corruption |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
that generation error is not normal |
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| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
usually that would happen if your seed (worlds/yourworld/map_meta.txt) got munged |
| 22:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
wait can I see |
| 22:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
what's the server ip? |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
I'll grab a screenshot |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
hold |
| 22:24 |
dante123 |
Okay, do you think it could be because I moved the world from running on my laptop (under Windows 7) to linux? |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
dante123: that is possible, yes |
| 22:24 |
dante123 |
also I had been running version 0.4.4 before |
| 22:24 |
dante123 |
and then moved that world to 0.4.5 |
| 22:25 |
dante123 |
how do I check the world files for corruption? |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
Vadtec, I have the 3dforniture merge almost ready; I just want a few opinions |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
1) run a magnet over your hard drive |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
whoops |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, ^ |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
2) your data is corrupted! |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
you just have to look at them in an editor or so |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: oh sweet |
| 22:25 |
Uberi |
3) no need to check, we already know |
| 22:25 |
ShadowNinja |
dante123: hmm, I think mapgen was suposed to stay unchanged until v7, so that shouldn't affect it |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: image coming in a minute |
| 22:26 |
jordan4ibanez |
A minute? WHY NOT A+ MINUTE? |
| 22:26 |
* VanessaE |
waits for an unrelated upload to finish... |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_2832062039.png |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
what the fuck |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
yeah. |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
that ^^^ is not normal. |
| 22:28 |
Exio |
i want that world!!!!!!! |
| 22:28 |
Exio |
>:3 |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
but I think I know why |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
one of my maps experienced the same problem when I moved from 0.4.4-d1 to a newer version |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
the way the seed is being interpreted must have changed |
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dante123 |
how did you fix your issue, or did you just not worry about it |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
I made a new map. |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
my map was ugly anyway |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
in your case, |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
there is a solution |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
use worldedit to move everything down :-) |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
:trollface: |
| 22:30 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, should I use the original node names (3dforniture:*) or switch to homedecor:* and add aliases? |
| 22:30 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: that's a good question! |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
I think, rename + alias |
| 22:31 |
dante123 |
not sure what you mean....move everything down? |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
dante123: I was joking :-) |
| 22:31 |
kaeza |
you want the guy to go nuts? |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
dante123: really though, your transition from one machine to the other and one version to the other is probably what did it |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
you really don't have much choice except to work around it, lots of landscaping, etc |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
maybe mauvebic's landscaping tool would be useful here |
| 22:33 |
mauvebic |
my spidey senses tingled |
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dante123 |
but everything *seems* to be working, what anomalies did you find? |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
dante123: only that spot that Jordach pointed out where the mapgen created a huge, square cliff |
| 22:45 |
kaeza |
mauvebic, will you take bathroom stuff from 3df to pipeworks? |
| 22:45 |
kaeza |
I don't want to duplicate stuff |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
meh, the bathroom stuff doesn't belong in pipeworks imho |
| 22:46 |
kaeza |
well, then I will make that to homedecor |
| 22:47 |
kaeza |
*into |
| 22:47 |
mauvebic |
copy it anyway, not sure how it will connect for now since pipes are so much bigger :/ |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: heh, and someone was just saying the other day that they're still TOO SMALL |
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kaeza |
at least sinks can be used to re-fill drinking glasses in survival_thirst |
| 22:48 |
kaeza |
ditto for homedecor:kitchen_cabinet_with_sink |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
food mod uses homedecor fridge to preserve food :-) |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
I think |
| 22:50 |
kaeza |
IMHO ovens would look good with some kind of gas supply as fuel |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 22:50 |
kaeza |
(maybe using pipes for transport) |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
except they're supposed to look like electric ovens ;-) |
| 22:50 |
mauvebic |
well we need both large and small pipes |
| 22:50 |
mauvebic |
you cant make an oil pipeline with small pipes anymore than you can pass large pipes to supply a toilet |
| 22:51 |
kaeza |
electric ovens are kind of redundant if you have technic |
| 22:52 |
Uberi |
but we have so many pipes already |
| 22:54 |
mauvebic |
yeah but that can be cut down some more |
| 22:54 |
mauvebic |
a single T rotated four ways is already better than 4 seperate T's |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
if someone wants to rewrite pipeworks to use the new 6d system, I'd be grateful ;) |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
(and not compress all the damn code down into 1 line...) |
| 22:55 |
kaeza |
hehe |
| 22:55 |
kaeza |
what do you have against one-liners? |
| 22:55 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 22:55 |
mauvebic |
every comma, colon and bracket must have its own line :p |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
nothing - as long as that one line isn't over ~100 characters long ;-) |
| 22:56 |
NekoGloop |
Well it must be readable |
| 22:56 |
mauvebic |
depends on your definition of readable (and the size of your screen) |
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NekoGloop |
Well if i need a 30000*15000 screen, then that's unreadable |
| 22:57 |
Uberi |
just wait a few years, Super AMOLED Retina HD Plus Video Sharp screens will be out |
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| 23:01 |
BlockMen_ |
hi |
| 23:03 |
BlockMen_ |
does someone here have experience with windows builds of minetest? |
| 23:03 |
PilzAdam |
I do them |
| 23:03 |
BlockMen_ |
right :) |
| 23:03 |
BlockMen_ |
umm...my problem is irrlicht |
| 23:04 |
PilzAdam |
are you on windows? |
| 23:04 |
BlockMen_ |
yes |
| 23:04 |
PilzAdam |
I guess I cant help then, I cross compile from Linux |
| 23:04 |
BlockMen_ |
oh..ic |
| 23:04 |
PilzAdam |
but you still can ask your question |
| 23:06 |
BlockMen_ |
when creating with cmake it claims that there is an incorrect entry for IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR aswell for IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR |
| 23:06 |
BlockMen_ |
which one has to go to where? |
| 23:06 |
BlockMen_ |
when trying to compile it claims that it cant find irrTypes.dll |
| 23:07 |
PilzAdam |
you just have to set IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR to the folder of irrlicht |
| 23:07 |
PilzAdam |
not to subfolders like src/ or bin/ |
| 23:08 |
BlockMen_ |
did so...(was my first guess) |
| 23:08 |
BlockMen_ |
same error |
| 23:08 |
BlockMen_ |
which version should i use 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 23:08 |
BlockMen_ |
*of irrlich |
| 23:08 |
BlockMen_ |
i tried with 1.7 |
| 23:08 |
PilzAdam |
both should work, but I heard that 1.8 is slower |
| 23:09 |
BlockMen_ |
hmm... |
| 23:10 |
BlockMen_ |
thanks anyway |
| 23:10 |
BlockMen_ |
maybe i will find the solution |
| 23:11 |
BlockMen_ |
oh..one question left |
| 23:12 |
BlockMen_ |
could it be that cmake does not run nicely on 64-bit (windows) systems? |
| 23:13 |
PilzAdam |
thats a good question for google :-) |
| 23:13 |
BlockMen_ |
k |
| 23:19 |
kaeza |
ok, finished adding bathroom kit |
| 23:19 |
kaeza |
changed all node names to homedecor: prefix and added aliases |
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| 23:19 |
Todolev |
hello |
| 23:19 |
Todolev |
can someone help me |
| 23:19 |
kaeza |
I'll stick to old texture names to not break texture packs |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
good idea |
| 23:20 |
Todolev |
who know if minetest is legal or not? |
| 23:20 |
kaeza |
just one caveat: |
| 23:20 |
PilzAdam |
Todolev, what? |
| 23:20 |
kaeza |
table lamps now have individual textures for the different levels |
| 23:20 |
Todolev |
PilzAdam: i wanna know if the game dont have problems |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
sounds good to me |
| 23:21 |
PilzAdam |
why would it have? |
| 23:21 |
kaeza |
the old texture name is used by the "off" variant |
| 23:21 |
Todolev |
PilzAdam: because i wanna run a server but i need know if dont have copyright |
| 23:22 |
hmmmm |
the cyberpolice will getcha if you run a minetest server |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
Todolev: all code and textures in the server are free license |
| 23:22 |
hmmmm |
minetest is totally illegal |
| 23:22 |
hmmmm |
you can get 10 years in the slammer for playing it |
| 23:22 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 23:22 |
Uberi |
yeah Turing's gonna be on yo butt |
| 23:22 |
Todolev |
lol |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: not yet, lamefun says soon though :D |
| 23:22 |
hmmmm |
because LuaJIT is illegal too |
| 23:22 |
Todolev |
sorry i know is a stupid question |
| 23:22 |
hmmmm |
and we should use javascript |
| 23:23 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 23:23 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, I just read there's another futile attempt by the US govt at stoping "piracy" |
| 23:23 |
Uberi |
hmmmm: too far man |
| 23:23 |
Todolev |
but the administrator for run a server wanna know if that game is legal |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: the person who ports MT to javascript should die in a fire. |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
Todolev: it is legal. |
| 23:23 |
hmmmm |
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s4oDBszE_5E/TQJAbySC7qI/AAAAAAAADyg/spyQklGTjtU/s1600/BackTraced.jpg |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
it has no relationship at all with Minecraft - it is an independent project. |
| 23:24 |
mauvebic |
legal for whom? unless your country has laws regulating video games, dont see a problem lol |
| 23:24 |
Todolev |
ok |
| 23:24 |
Todolev |
thank you to much |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
also Todolev |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
if you use certain mods licensed under the AGPLv3 |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
or any Affero variant |
| 23:24 |
Uberi |
you have to post links to the source code or publish the source |
| 23:24 |
Todolev |
and the mods ? |
| 23:25 |
Todolev |
mod are legal too ? |
| 23:25 |
Uberi |
the APL and AGPL, basically |
| 23:25 |
Uberi |
Todolev: yes, the legal ones are :) |
| 23:25 |
kaeza |
oh shit :D http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/26/1256210/dos-emulation-arrives-for-the-raspberry-pi |
| 23:25 |
VanessaE |
Todolev: most are, yes. |
| 23:25 |
Todolev |
thank you |
| 23:25 |
Todolev |
today i start working to run the server |
| 23:25 |
VanessaE |
there are a couple where legality is questionable like if they use some proprietary texture or something |
| 23:25 |
BlockMen_ |
when i define ZLIB_DLL, do i have to select as Type "PATH", "FILEPATH" or "STRING"? |
| 23:25 |
mauvebic |
though good luck getting the EFF to take up the cause lol |
| 23:26 |
Todolev |
well i have to go i dont wanna annoying more |
| 23:26 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/25/2212238/draft-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-update-expands-powers-and-penalties |
| 23:26 |
Todolev |
thanks for help guys |
| 23:26 |
PilzAdam |
BlockMen_, file path, I guess |
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BlockMen_ |
thx |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: so basically, SOPA all over again? |
| 23:27 |
PilzAdam |
BlockMen_, yep, just checked my win build script |
| 23:27 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 23:27 |
PilzAdam |
dlls have to use FILEPATH |
| 23:27 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Block man are you making your texture converter in batch |
| 23:27 |
BlockMen_ |
ok, thanks PilzAdam |
| 23:27 |
BlockMen_ |
no, I make it with vb and ui |
| 23:28 |
BlockMen_ |
*gui |
| 23:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Oh cool |
| 23:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I made one but it is very limited and crude |
| 23:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
It is all batch files |
| 23:28 |
BlockMen_ |
have seen, but it looks good |
| 23:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Can't wait for yours |
| 23:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Thanks |
| 23:28 |
BlockMen_ |
but how can u clip images with batch? |
| 23:29 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
The only problem is now minecraft has a really flexible way there texture packs can go |
| 23:29 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I cant |
| 23:29 |
BlockMen_ |
because the mc-tp have alway this terrain.png file |
| 23:29 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
All it does is rename but it is all automaric |
| 23:29 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Have you seen the new texture pack style |
| 23:30 |
NekoGloop |
http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 23:30 |
BlockMen_ |
there is a new? |
| 23:30 |
BlockMen_ |
damn. |
| 23:30 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Download one for 1.5 and look at textures/blocks |
| 23:30 |
BlockMen_ |
oh..ok |
| 23:30 |
BlockMen_ |
thx for the hint |
| 23:30 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
now each item/block is in its own file up to a point |
| 23:31 |
Kacey |
huh |
| 23:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
the heart and stuff is in the gui/*png |
| 23:31 |
Kacey |
MineCraft is written in c++ and Obj.C |
| 23:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
the textures are made like minetest |
| 23:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
no the textures |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
uh, no |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
minecraft is in java |
| 23:31 |
Kacey |
no |
| 23:32 |
BlockMen_ |
that explains why you can do that with batch ;) |
| 23:32 |
NekoGloop |
minecraft is made in basic |
| 23:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
? |
| 23:32 |
BlockMen_ |
PilzAdam, i use PATH for ZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR, right? |
| 23:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
minecraft textures are png |
| 23:32 |
Kacey |
http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft look under written in |
| 23:32 |
PilzAdam |
BlockMen_, yes |
| 23:32 |
BlockMen_ |
my program cuts the each block out of terrain.png |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
Kacey: look again |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
Written in |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
Java (Computer) |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
C++[1] (Android) |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
Objective-C (iOS) |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
C++[2] C#/XNA(?) (Xbox 360) |
| 23:33 |
BlockMen_ |
so u dont need anymore with new design...so it is possible with batch |
| 23:33 |
NekoGloop |
ironic that "java runs on everything" |
| 23:33 |
BlockMen_ |
thx, PilzAdam |
| 23:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
Write Once, Run Nowhereâ„¢ |
| 23:34 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 23:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i want to make a pull request to allow items to drop when a chest is dug where do i put it |
| 23:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
in the minitest mod? |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: against minetest common |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
I guess. |
| 23:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
no this is more the game minitest |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
well |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
chests are defined in default |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
which is in common |
| 23:35 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i have a way to redefine it |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
then it won't be accepted. |
| 23:35 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, Speak to Traxie21 |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
change the basic definition of the chest, don't redefine it |
| 23:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
traxie left before i could |
| 23:36 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, you are wrong |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: lstory of my life. |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
-l |
| 23:36 |
PilzAdam |
if you include mods from common then you can override stuff of it |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: well duh, I knew that |
| 23:37 |
PilzAdam |
thats what he wants to do |
| 23:37 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, what was 3df textures' license again? can't find in the README... |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
but that's not how it should be done when working with upstream |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
he wants to pull-request it |
| 23:37 |
kaeza |
CC-BY-SA? |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: lemme look |
| 23:37 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, he is talking about minitest |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: OH |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
reading comprehension FAIL :) |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
one letter difference... |
| 23:38 |
BlockMen_ |
PilzAdam, the mainproblem is following: In the readme there is just mentioned the IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR, but CMAKE claims that IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR and IRRLICHT_DLL is also needed |
| 23:38 |
BlockMen_ |
and idk which dll i have to choose for IRRLICHT_DLL |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: I see nothing describing it. I would guess GPL |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: in which case, don't use them - use the ones in my 16px HDX pack |
| 23:39 |
VanessaE |
they look very similar to the defaults anyway |
| 23:39 |
kaeza |
ok |
| 23:39 |
PilzAdam |
BlockMen_, does that help: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh#L112 ? |
| 23:41 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, mind if I ditch the inventory_images and let the engine draw them instead? |
| 23:41 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: yeah, ditch them |
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| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
there's no reason to use those now anyway |
| 23:42 |
BlockMen_ |
yep :) |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
(at least in this case) |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
(inb4 PilzAdam makes a snarky comment ;-) 0 |
| 23:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam |
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paxcoder |
PilzAdam's read "please, adam", right? |
| 23:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
would i register the chest like this |
| 23:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
":default:chest" |
| 23:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
or |
| 23:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
":chest" |
| 23:45 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, talk to Traxie21 and read this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=78156#p78156 |
| 23:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Not in minitest |
| 23:49 |
BlockMen_ |
it still cant find irrTypes.h when compiling. |
| 23:49 |
BlockMen_ |
enough for today, i will try another day |
| 23:50 |
BlockMen_ |
gd n8t everyone |
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| 23:52 |
Kacey |
well i might be getting rid of my netbook |
| 23:52 |
Kacey |
and then i will have no way of accomplishing simple tasks on linux |
| 23:52 |
Kacey |
and i will lose Kaceybot |
| 23:53 |
Kacey |
and lose all my old worlds |
| 23:53 |
paxcoder |
are you going to lose Keyboard? |
| 23:53 |
Kacey |
? |
| 23:53 |
paxcoder |
sounds like you're switching to a tablet |
| 23:53 |
Kacey |
brb |
| 23:53 |
paxcoder |
alrighty then |
| 23:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://i.imgur.com/rUwVLZe.png |
| 23:56 |
jordan4ibanez |
skeletons uv mapping is complete |
| 23:57 |
paxcoder |
that's better |
| 23:58 |
paxcoder |
i'm guessing that viewing from above might make it look as if they're crying |
| 23:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
they make me feel uncomfortable and I'm the one who made them lol |
| 23:59 |
paxcoder |
which imo makes them look more scary than if it's supposed to be a frown with beady eyes |
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Kacey |
back |
| 23:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
Lol :D |
