IRC log for #minetest, 2013-01-20

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00:00	Dogzilla131	Hi Kacey
00:00	Kacey	PING
00:02	Uberi	POLO
00:02	Uberi	wait...
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00:05	Kacey	PING haha
00:05	Uberi	Kacey: 1963821773!
00:06	Kacey	?
00:06	Kacey	0.76 seconds
00:07	Uberi	2052619213
00:08	sokomine	wow! found a new elk (or deer?) from mobf!
00:09	sapier	deer
00:15	Kacey	2313765512 from myself haha
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00:51	Dogzilla131	Who knows bit about Dogs, and their breeds?
00:52	Uberi	you do!
00:53	Dogzilla131	yep
00:53	Dogzilla131	Who else?
00:54	erlehmann	Uberi, it does not werk ;_;
00:58	Uberi	erlehmann: hmm?
00:58	erlehmann	Uberi, the nodebox generator
00:58	erlehmann	how does it werk
00:59	Dogzilla131	Guess what breed is this? clue:Its a dog
00:59	Uberi	erlehmann: magic and fairy dust
00:59	Dogzilla131	http://i.imgur.com/HvfXFLj.png
00:59	Uberi	Dogzilla131: uh... the black ones!
00:59	Dogzilla131	Close
01:00	Uberi	good enough for me
01:00	Dogzilla131	Keep guessing
01:01	Dogzilla131	Clue: it has a tail, eyes, and its black, or light yellow-white
01:03	Dogzilla131	So nobody knows its breed :(
01:03	Uberi	wait wait
01:03	Uberi	is it
01:03	Uberi	a dog?
01:03	Dogzilla131	Right
01:04	Dogzilla131	You guessed it
01:04	Dogzilla131	:D
01:04	Uberi	\o/
01:04	* Uberi	is now a dog expert
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01:05	* Dogzilla131	is a better dog expert than Uberi
01:06	Renoki	well duh, you're a Dog.
01:06	Renoki	going by the name, of course.
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01:06	Tekk_	anyone else have a problem with latest git where their view is constantly slowly moving upward?
01:06	Tekk_	not as in flying, but as in moving the mouse up
01:07	Uberi	on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog
01:07	Tekk_	also hi ttk2
01:08	Dogzilla131	Im a dog that can type ;)
01:08	Dogzilla131	and spell, write, talk, hear
01:08	Dogzilla131	read
01:08	Dogzilla131	etc.
01:09	* Uberi	throws a tennis ball at Dogzilla131
01:10	Renoki	you have too many skills
01:11	Renoki	you need to forget one
01:11	Renoki	if you want to learn read.
01:11	* Dogzilla131	its to busy typing, so he ignores the ball
01:11	Tekk_	what sort of wpm do you get with paws?
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01:11	Dogzilla131	1000000000
01:11	Dogzilla131	wpms
01:11	Tekk_	nice
01:12	Dogzilla131	too many to count, when i type in a website, the wpm meter gets broken
01:20	Dogzilla131	Guess this one Uberi
01:21	Dogzilla131	You cant say its a dog, animal, mammal or anything like that O_O
01:21	Dogzilla131	http://i.imgur.com/w216zGC.png
01:21	Uberi	it's one of those brown-white ones?
01:21	Uberi	seriously, I can't name a single breed of dog
01:21	Dogzilla131	The first one who gets it, will win NothinG
01:21	Uberi	they're all just dogs to me
01:22	Dogzilla131	No, what to you want
01:23	Dogzilla131	A chihuahua or a rottweiler
01:23	Dogzilla131	To chase you
01:23	Uberi	um
01:24	Uberi	uh
01:24	Uberi	I dunno what those are
01:24	Dogzilla131	If you dont any of those breed tell me
01:24	Dogzilla131	http://www.google.com/imgres?q=chihuahua&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=Q4PkM5z_vzSFeM:&imgrefurl=http://www.famouschihuahua.com/chihuahua-facts/teacup-chihuahua/&docid=eJkhiVTGg8mPHM&imgurl=http://www.famouschihuahua.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-teacup-chihuahua.jpg&w=470&h=302&ei=IEf7UMbkG8Xa2QWd_4HoDQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=477&sig=108827959163482995383&page=2&tbnh=140&tbnw=210&start=22&ndsp=28&ved
01:24	Dogzilla131	thats a chihuahua
01:25	Uberi	d'aww
01:28	Dogzilla131	and this is a rottweiler
01:28	Dogzilla131	http://www.google.com/imgres?q=big+rottweiler+dogs&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=a2sICEUeN8MQvM:&imgrefurl=http://www.all-about-rottweiler-dog-breed.com/index.php%3Fmain_page%3Dproduct_info%26products_id%3D157&docid=vKLSbvqtbwj6aM&imgurl=http://www.all-about-rottweiler-dog-breed.com/images/harnesses/Rottweiler-Breed-Leather-Dog-Harness-With-Nickel-Plated-Spikes-big.jpg&w=800&h=1209&ei=gUf7UPr7IuXQ2AWijI
01:29	Dogzilla131	Now which one do you prefer being chase by
01:30	Uberi	er
01:30	Dogzilla131	?
01:34	Dogzilla131	choose
01:35	Uberi	I build a dirt pillar 3 blocks high and empty my lava bucket on the chasing dog
01:35	Uberi	honestly this is the only correct answer
01:36	Dogzilla131	Or train it to not attack allies and only enemys
01:37	Dogzilla131	The correct answer was a chihuahua , they barely is feet tall
01:37	Dogzilla131	*are
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01:45	Oblivion1500	hey, i cant remember, who was helping me with my wireless issue?
01:47	marktraceur	Wanted to stop in and thank the people who worked on documentation today
01:47	marktraceur	I think there's still stuff to do, but we made a dent in it
01:48	Uberi	marktraceur: are you guys continuing tomorrow?
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02:15	OldCoder
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02:29	OldCoder	http://christfollower.me/images/mt130119_sheep1.jpg
02:30	OldCoder	^ New-style sheep
02:30	OldCoder	Baa! Baa!
02:30	OldCoder	babyface1031, I have been tweaking worlds
02:30	OldCoder	Let me know what you need
02:30	babyface1031	those look neat
02:30	OldCoder	Yep
02:31	OldCoder	There should be less vanishing now
02:31	OldCoder	He says things may vanish but are more likely to come back
02:31	babyface1031	ok did we do away with the birds
02:31	OldCoder	No
02:32	OldCoder	They should be there
02:32	OldCoder	If not, ask Sapier1 about it
02:32	babyface1031	i see unknown objects flying thats why i asked
02:32	OldCoder	??
02:32	OldCoder	Please report to Sapier1
02:33	OldCoder	Wish to fix it
02:33	babyface1031	ok when i see him i will
02:38	RealBadAngel	youre seeing UFO's? :)
02:39	RealBadAngel	are they hostile?
02:39	OldCoder	Birds
02:39	RealBadAngel	i mean is that an invasion?
02:39	OldCoder	Perhaps they have changed node names
02:39	OldCoder	We can probably fix that
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02:39	RealBadAngel	hehe
02:45	* OldCoder	will be back a little later
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03:04	Dogzilla131	What your favorite breed? This goes to everybody. :d
03:04	Dogzilla131	:D
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03:05	jojoa1997	what type of animal? dogs, cats, fish ......................humans.........................
03:05	* jojoa1997	smiles creepily
03:06	Dogzilla131	Dogs
03:06	jojoa1997	labradodles
03:06	* Dogzilla131	defends all breeds, and mixed breeds pride
03:06	Exio	http://cadoth.net/~exio4/mt/luminium.png
03:06	Exio	:D
03:06	Dogzilla131	Whats the main color?
03:07	jojoa1997	labradoodles=50% poodle, 50% labrador, 500% fune/love/adorableness
03:07	Dogzilla131	Its black, brown, golden, but which is the main one
03:07	jojoa1997	white
03:07	Dogzilla131	Are you a dog expert?
03:07	BackupCoder	nice sounding color
03:08	jojoa1997	no i have one
03:08	Dogzilla131	white? No its golden white :P
03:08	jojoa1997	not really
03:08	jojoa1997	depends on what season it is
03:09	jojoa1997	summer/spring=slightly golden winter/fall=white
03:09	Dogzilla131	yeah but mostly white with a part golden
03:09	Dogzilla131	and their black too
03:09	jojoa1997	summer/spring=curly hair and not really smooth winter/fall=really fluffy hair
03:10	Dogzilla131	yep
03:11	Dogzilla131	Working in the dog block mod, so i need pure breeds dog name to include
03:11	jojoa1997	so no mutts
03:12	jojoa1997	have a labrador, poodle, and labradoodle
03:12	Dogzilla131	how
03:13	Dogzilla131	is this good image to represent the labradors
03:13	Dogzilla131	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Simonator_1235.jpg
03:13	Dogzilla131	How is that possible, a poodle are small, and Labradors are big, pure ones :P
03:13	jojoa1997	one sec gonna give a link with some pics
03:14	Dogzilla131	non copyrighted
03:14	jojoa1997	just took them
03:14	Dogzilla131	I dont want legal issues O_O
03:14	Dogzilla131	so their your pictures
03:15	Dogzilla131	Do i have permission to use them, if i want, in my mod
03:15	jojoa1997	i sue you for taking the WTFPL pics that i just took
03:15	jojoa1997	you can but make them a little pixilized
03:16	Dogzilla131	they will be, when you close in they turn pixel
03:17	jojoa1997	wow i connected to this server 10 mins ago and just got on http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4504
03:17	jojoa1997	scared the s**t out of me when i heard sounds
03:18	sokomine	oldcoder: the server seems to run ok. didn't crash or anything. but...there are even vombies active there
03:19	sokomine	might be a good way to test the animals :-)
03:20	jojoa1997	why does omploadr take so long
03:21	jojoa1997	for my pc at least
03:21	jojoa1997	atm
03:22	Exio	ffs
03:22	Exio	/home/exio4/minetest/minetest/src/server.cpp:405: virtual void* EmergeThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
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03:23	jojoa1997_	jojoa1997 ping out already
03:24	jojoa1997_	it is taking a while to upload but each pic is 2.8 mb
03:24	jojoa1997_	'and i have five
03:32	jojoa1997	try using gimp to make it 133*100 that seemed like a good size. also i have it a higher rez so you can see a labradoodle
03:32	hmmmm	assertion '0' failed means there was probably a segfault in the map generator
03:32	jojoa1997	[url=http://ompldr.org/vaDU4cQ][img]http://ompldr.org/taDU4cQ[/img][/url]
03:33	hmmmm	or somewhere around that area of code
03:33	OldCoder	Back
03:33	OldCoder	sokomine, Hmm
03:33	OldCoder	vombies were supposed to be deactivated
03:33	OldCoder	I will ask him
03:33	jojoa1997	who was i talking to about dogs was it dozilla
03:33	Exio	hmmmm: yep
03:34	Exio	but layer 8 problem
03:34	Dogzilla131	i like them, vombie
03:34	Dogzilla131	yes
03:34	jojoa1997	go to pm
03:34	Dogzilla131	Dogzilla was talking about dogs, how ironic
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03:44	Exio	does anyone use the "default" generate_ore?
03:45	Exio	default.generate_ore is a nil value for me, even with 'default' in the depends.txt
03:47	babyface1031	vomibes were fun
03:48	babyface1031	oh and i dont think it is the bird that are unknown i seen them i think it might be the deer or ostrich(f)
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04:00	jojoa1997	i really wish we had a hunger games 24/7 server
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04:32	Dogzilla131	Hi
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04:53	sokomine	no, deer and ostrich seem to work ok. maybe some animals got renamed
05:01	TheZenKitteh	anyone here "happen" to grow culinary mushrooms? curious
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05:54	hmmmm	r u lookin 4 a giggle m8?
05:59	Cybersoft	uh?
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06:21	rubiconjosh	This is my first time trying to play minetest, I have never played minecraft. I dont seem to be able to break and blocks, should it take more than 25 clicks to break something at the start of the game? Thank you.
06:22	rubiconjosh	*more than 50 or so, I feel like I am doing something wrong here
06:23	TheZenKitteh	singleplayer or multiplayer?
06:23	rubiconjosh	nevermind :( I was clicking, not holding down the button
06:23	rubiconjosh	I ended up searching google for minecraft instead of minetest and found the answer
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07:09	Oblivion1500	hello everyone, just wondering. who here has a very good understanding on the bash shell? and also in all your research what was the best place to learn? be it a book or a comunity.
07:09	TheZenKitteh	im no bash expert but I will say everything I know I learned from looking at others scripts and using google
07:09	TheZenKitteh	and experimenting
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07:11	TheZenKitteh	usually what I do if I want to do something in bash.. ill look to google for examples of how others have done it
07:11	TheZenKitteh	then try to understand "how" their scripts work
07:11	TheZenKitteh	then experiment till I have something that does what I want
07:12	Oblivion1500	well the use of google has helped me alot and i have learned alot but i am looking for a place that maybe teaches with the use of exersises..
07:13	TheZenKitteh	I don't learn like that so not sure of any such places
07:13	TheZenKitteh	I learn by example mostly
07:13	TheZenKitteh	if a script does something similar to what I want ill pour over it line by line to see how it works, then experiment lol
07:13	Oblivion1500	hmm, i see
07:14	TheZenKitteh	of course im sure my scripts could be more efficient or smaller or faster
07:14	TheZenKitteh	but they work
07:15	TheZenKitteh	that's all I care
07:15	Oblivion1500	do you have a website that might have a list or something with other peoples scripts that have good uses?
07:16	TheZenKitteh	http://bashscripts.org/forum/
07:17	TheZenKitteh	that's one place with a lot of scripts that do various things
07:18	Oblivion1500	thanks
07:18	TheZenKitteh	https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbo=d&q=bash+scripts+introduction&oq=bash+scripts+intro&gs_l=serp.3.1.0j0i30j0i8i30.23489.27718.0.29563.31.20.3.0.0.1.212.2168.7j10j1.18.0.les%3Bepsugrerhigh..0.0...1.1.WhM6kKarLrk
07:18	TheZenKitteh	introductions
07:18	Dogzilla131	Bye you'll, you all, or anyway you said that word
07:18	TheZenKitteh	https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbo=d&q=bash+scripts+tutorial&oq=bash+scripts+tutorial&gs_l=serp.3..0j0i30l2j0i5i30l3j0i8i30j0i22l3.10571.11717.0.12054.8.8.0.0.0.0.172.934.4j4.8.0.les%3Bepsugrerhigh..0.0...1.1.WKxV3go-8LY
07:18	TheZenKitteh	and tutorials
07:19	TheZenKitteh	that should keep you busy awhile
07:19	TheZenKitteh	lol
07:19	TheZenKitteh	those*
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07:19	Oblivion1500	lol thanks
07:19	TheZenKitteh	when ready search for advanced bash scripting
07:19	VanessaE	Dogzilla131: "Y'all"
07:19	VanessaE	is the correct spelling :)
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07:19	TheZenKitteh	yall aint not not got nothin
07:20	TheZenKitteh	ok even that confused me :\
07:20	VanessaE	TheZenKitteh: y'all ain't got nothin'
07:20	Kacey	hello
07:20	TheZenKitteh	hey kacey
07:20	TheZenKitteh	and vanessae
07:20	VanessaE	hey
07:20	Kacey	im on my phone lol
07:22	* VanessaE	wonders why Kacey is laughing out loud about being on the phone.
07:22	* Kacey	is amazed his phone can handle the webchatz
07:23	TheZenKitteh	next thing you know phones will be powerful enough to play full fledged games
07:23	TheZenKitteh	computers at home will vanish
07:23	VanessaE	NOT
07:23	Kacey	not mine ^_^
07:23	TheZenKitteh	maybe even implantable computers will show up
07:24	TheZenKitteh	say something out loud and see a screen in your head or in one eye
07:24	TheZenKitteh	lol
07:24	TheZenKitteh	invisible keyboard
07:24	TheZenKitteh	mouse with finger movements
07:24	TheZenKitteh	always connected to the net
07:24	TheZenKitteh	cyborgs anyone?
07:24	TheZenKitteh	anyway im getting ahead of myself
07:24	TheZenKitteh	lol
07:24	Kacey	haha i fooled my teachers into letting me sleep in class
07:25	TheZenKitteh	?
07:26	Kacey	i told them i was booting to linux
07:27	TheZenKitteh	..
07:28	Kacey	^_^
07:28	TheZenKitteh	"teacher I think I might have...head hits desk and lets out a big snore"
07:28	Kacey	not quite
07:29	TheZenKitteh	I was a little hellion in school
07:29	TheZenKitteh	on the outside it appeared I never paid attention to anything
07:29	TheZenKitteh	yet I always made a's and b's
07:29	Kacey	i AM a hellion in school
07:29	TheZenKitteh	confused teachers and students
07:30	TheZenKitteh	eventually they stopped bothering to bother me since I "somehow" kept passing everything they gave me
07:30	TheZenKitteh	I can listen and learn even when not appearing to be paying attention.. or even appearing to be sleeping
07:30	TheZenKitteh	lol
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07:31	TheZenKitteh	my math teacher even decided to "convince me" to take advanced algebra and advanced geometry
07:31	TheZenKitteh	of course I did well but don't remember sh*t from it today
07:31	TheZenKitteh	that was over a decade ago
07:31	Kacey	well i didnt learn anything that day
07:31	TheZenKitteh	and not had to use it since
07:32	TheZenKitteh	im a bit "eccentric" ;)
07:32	TheZenKitteh	I love chemistry but not used anything I learned of it in high school since so don't remember sh*t about it either
07:33	TheZenKitteh	I will say this.. be sure to graduate high school
07:33	TheZenKitteh	that paper will be needed
07:35	TheZenKitteh	if you don't get it you will have troubles in life
07:35	TheZenKitteh	however currently I wouldn't suggest going to college unless you plan to specialize in something
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07:35	TheZenKitteh	the cost vs benefits isn't worth it today
07:36	Kacey	who needs college? i have OldCoder
07:36	TheZenKitteh	also while in school be sure to consider what you want to do when you become an adult. it will help you ensure you get the teachings best suited for your fields of interest
07:37	TheZenKitteh	try to enter a field you enjoy
07:37	TheZenKitteh	im a farmer at heart. I love to grow things
07:37	TheZenKitteh	farmers must know math and be good at it or they will fail as a farmer
07:37	TheZenKitteh	just an example
07:37	Kacey	redneck that is good at computers ^_^
07:38	TheZenKitteh	im real good with repairing computers.. I just don't like doing it so I don't
07:38	TheZenKitteh	this computer was a "salvage". someone threw it out because "it didn't work"
07:38	TheZenKitteh	I fixed it
07:38	TheZenKitteh	it works
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07:39	Vogarth	Hello, any developers here?
07:39	TheZenKitteh	I try to use my skills to my benefit. im cheap and don't like to buy things
07:39	Kacey	well im off to sleep night all
07:40	TheZenKitteh	rest up kacey
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07:40	Vogarth	Is the the right channel to ask minetest build questions?
07:40	VanessaE	possibly :)
07:41	VanessaE	ask away
07:41	Vogarth	I think I'm at the final issue building on Mac, an internal Undefined symbol.
07:42	Vogarth	mapgen::find_ground_level_from_noise(unsigned long, irr::core::vector2d<short>, short)
07:42	Vogarth	referenced from map.cpp.
07:42	VanessaE	ah for a question like that, ask in #minetest-dev
07:42	Vogarth	Ah. Thanks!
07:42	VanessaE	you may not get an answer right away though, so check the channel logs or just leave your irc client online for the day
07:43	OldCoder
07:44	OldCoder	Kacey, What is it you'd like to study?
07:46	Vogarth	I've left a message. BTW, what's left in minecraft that isn't yet in minetest?
07:48	VanessaE	oh
07:48	VanessaE	a few mobs, some UI stuff, and that whole enchanting thing I guess
07:48	VanessaE	nothing the majority wants, I expect
07:48	VanessaE	:)
07:49	VanessaE	hell MC is now starting to copy Minetest in places (wall slabs, modding API coming soon, splitting the texture maps into one file per texture)
07:49	TheZenKitteh	we have a mole!
07:50	TheZenKitteh	kill it kill it
07:50	Vogarth	is mese and redstone related?
07:50	VanessaE	heh
07:50	VanessaE	Vogarth: no.
07:50	* TheZenKitteh	pulls out a pitchfork and some tar and some feathers
07:50	VanessaE	however there is the mesecons mod which uses mese to produce electronic circuitry
07:53	Vogarth	A co-worker's daughter is hooked on minecraft - I got the PE version to check it out, am now trying to get minetest working on mac. I think I'm very close, and look forward to playing with it.
07:54	Vogarth	Looks like a few of the developers are around SF.
07:55	VanessaE	I don't even know what that is, as I've never actually played MC
07:56	TheZenKitteh	I've played minecraft
07:56	TheZenKitteh	didn't like it overall
07:57	Vogarth	Minecraft Pocket Edition - iPhone/iPad. It's pretty fun on iPad, iPhone is a bit claustrophobic.
07:57	* VanessaE	is falling asleep......
07:59	* TheZenKitteh	passes a cup of joe to vanessae
07:59	Vogarth	well, so much for instant gratification (getting the compiling problem fixed) - it's not fast enough.
07:59	VanessaE	what's not fast enough?
08:00	Vogarth	I'll keep hacking the code. Thought I might get the ear of a programmer - C++ namespace issues are a bit out of my domain.
08:01	Vogarth	Good programmers are lazy, if there's someone else with a quick fix - that's the best fix.
08:04	Vogarth	What do most people spend their time in Minetest doing? A few hours building vast underground lairs was enough for me.
08:05	TheZenKitteh	I've built more than I care to remember
08:05	VanessaE	depends on the person - I spend more time modding than playing
08:05	TheZenKitteh	towers castles underground lairs tunnels etc
08:05	TheZenKitteh	I've also made mods to include what I wanted in minetest that wasn't there
08:05	Vogarth	modding? Creating new blocks / objects / physics?
08:05	VanessaE	yes
08:06	* TheZenKitteh	curious how many blocks he's dug
08:06	TheZenKitteh	im sure its been more than a million
08:06	TheZenKitteh	lol
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08:07	VanessaE	good morning, Jeija
08:07	VanessaE	saw your post about the new databus mod - very nice
08:08	Vogarth	I'm a bit worried that after playing for too long, I'll try building a real world basement.
08:08	VanessaE	Vogarth: I built my in-real-life house in the game
08:08	TheZenKitteh	lol
08:09	TheZenKitteh	I've yet to replicate my house in a game
08:09	TheZenKitteh	but would be creepy
08:09	TheZenKitteh	lol
08:09	VanessaE	creepy? no. freaky? yes :-)
08:09	TheZenKitteh	same diff to me
08:09	VanessaE	especially if you're remodeling your real-life house to match your in-game model :-)
08:09	TheZenKitteh	especially if its very close to accurate
08:09	Vogarth	I was just at the empire mine last weekend, no diamonds or coal, just gold.
08:11	Vogarth	Has anyone built a lego world mod?
08:11	VanessaE	not that I've seen
08:11	VanessaE	you're welcome to try L0(
08:11	VanessaE	:-)
08:11	TheZenKitteh	lego world mod sounds fun but might have copyright or trademark issues?
08:11	TheZenKitteh	id play with it
08:11	TheZenKitteh	lol
08:12	VanessaE	lego's trademark/copyright on the bricks expired years ago
08:12	VanessaE	but their logo is probably still protected
08:12	Vogarth	I checked amazon a few hours ago, it seems that they have a minecraft lego set.
08:12	VanessaE	yep
08:13	TheZenKitteh	then go for it if you want
08:15	TheZenKitteh	id be interested.. just not enough to make such a mod
08:15	VanessaE	off to bed. Night all.
08:15	Vogarth	the other mod I'm thinking about is hooking up SPICE and Bullet - a real circuit emulation engine, and a gravity / collision detection physics engine. When you cut down trees, the blocks could roll downhill, and caveins.
08:15	TheZenKitteh	night vanessae
08:16	Vogarth	Night, nice chatting!
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09:37	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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10:14	Calinou	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65017#p65017 :(
10:15	Calinou	also, why is this in general discussion... lol
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10:21	FreeFull	Lol
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10:22	markveidemanis	hiu
10:23	markveidemanis	Hey What's Up?
10:23	Calinou	bronies
10:24	markveidemanis	Want to talk about maps?
10:24	Calinou	all your bronies are belong to http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65017#p65017
10:25	markveidemanis	???
10:25	markveidemanis	can we expand the minetest channels?
10:25	markveidemanis	one for maps, one for servers, one for textures and one for offtopic
10:27	TheZenKitteh	im off! (in more ways than one)
10:27	TheZenKitteh	night/day all
10:27	FreeFull	Is there enough people in the first place to do that?
10:29	markveidemanis	but...
10:29	markveidemanis	#mt-maps
10:29	markveidemanis	so that was a waste of time?
10:30	markveidemanis	i made 4 channels
10:31	markveidemanis	#mtmt #mt-servers #mt-maps #mt-textures --please join at least one of them and talk on it, everyone.
10:32	PilzAdam	no
10:35	markveidemanis	Anyone want to see a castle/tower/lighthouse/big building///?
10:37	Calinou	john_minetest: you mean ##linux?
10:37	Calinou	that's a REAL offtopic channel
10:38	markveidemanis	##minetest
10:39	markveidemanis	its empty
10:40	markveidemanis	all 6 of them
10:42	markveidemanis	can you join 1 of them?
10:43	markveidemanis	and i just want to let people know that they CAN join another channel to chat
10:43	markveidemanis	what about my server: #mtmarktwain , ##mtmarktwain
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10:45	no-body	HEHE
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11:39	markveidemanis	Hi
11:39	markveidemanis	whats up?
11:39	markveidemanis	?clear
11:39	markveidemanis	\clear
11:39	markveidemanis	sry
11:45	markveidemanis	Moooo#
11:45	markveidemanis	#moooo
11:46	markveidemanis	d[11:45] -rowling.freenode.net- *** Message to #moooo throttled due to flooding
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11:46	markveidemanis	im bored
11:46	markveidemanis	!server
11:46	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: Steinheim French\|English server \| minetest-cdk.servegame.com:30000 up (97.723%)
11:47	markveidemanis	im not going below 98%
11:47	markveidemanis	!server
11:47	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: GameBoom's MineTest server MT1 \| mt1.gameboom.net:30000 up (99.648%)
11:47	markveidemanis	ok
11:48	markveidemanis	!server
11:48	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: Mrtux's Minetest server \| minetest.org:30001 up (96.868%)
11:49	markveidemanis	ok, ima check minetest.org
11:53	markveidemanis	[Please, be courteous, here and in other channels. This isn't a playground. \| IRC: Be patient; get to know the rules \| HOME: http://minetest.net \| CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev \| STATUS: http://servers.minetest.ru/ \| IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/]
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11:54	markveidemanis	#minetest-doc ?
11:56	markveidemanis	Whoops
12:00	markveidemanis	ALL channels are quiet
12:00	markveidemanis	!!!
12:00	markveidemanis	and its 12:00
12:00	markveidemanis	!!!
12:00	ruskie	1300 actually
12:00	markveidemanis	[12:00] <markveidemanis> and its 12:00
12:00	ruskie	[13:00:19] <markveidemanis> and its 12:00
12:01	markveidemanis	thats to you
12:01	ruskie	and that's to you ;)
12:01	markveidemanis	GMT is 12:01 DAMMIT< MISSED LUNCH!!
12:01	Exio	[09:00:19] <markveidemanis> and its 12:00
12:01	markveidemanis	:P
12:01	Exio	nine am here
12:01	markveidemanis	haha
12:01	Exio	:)
12:01	ruskie	anyway enough messing around... off to lunch
12:01	markveidemanis	ok...
12:01	markveidemanis	wanna see screens of my server?
12:02	markveidemanis	its a zip file because there is too many
12:02	markveidemanis	http://www.sendspace.com/file/sh56lk Screenshots
12:02	markveidemanis	CTCP TIME reply from ruskie: Sun Jan 20 13:02:48 2013
12:03	markveidemanis	GMT+1
12:03	markveidemanis	+1!
12:04	PilzAdam	NMPR: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1571602016
12:05	markveidemanis	http://www.sendspace.com/file/sh56lk Screenshots
12:05	markveidemanis	Anyone wanna review
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12:07	celeron55	markveidemanis: nobody will open zip files for screenshots
12:07	celeron55	markveidemanis: upload to an imgur album or something
12:07	celeron55	PilzAdam: omg new minetest version!
12:07	celeron55	now with less bloat!
12:08	celeron55	90% less!
12:11	PilzAdam	celeron55, "not easy to build": this works for me: https://gist.github.com/4578183
12:12	PilzAdam	(with copied jthread from current minetest)
12:20	markveidemanis	hi
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12:20	markveidemanis	hi
12:21	markveidemanis	ZNC?
12:21	markveidemanis	Binary1010
12:25	Binary1010	markveidemanis
12:25	Binary1010	Yes, ZNC
12:25	markveidemanis	i never got it to work
12:25	markveidemanis	how did you
12:26	Matrixiumn	markveidemanis: Followed the instructions...
12:28	markveidemanis	i have the tar.gz file now this is where i get stuck,...
12:30	Matrixiumn	markveidemanis: It tells you in the instructions how to extract it
12:31	Matrixiumn	Wait, are you using this on windows?
12:31	markveidemanis	Nop
12:31	markveidemanis	Linux
12:31	Matrixiumn	Good.
12:31	Matrixiumn	Anyway, this isn't the place to discuss it
12:33	markveidemanis	How about #mtmt
12:36	markveidemanis	i have ~70 images of my server
12:36	markveidemanis	on imgur
12:36	markveidemanis	anyone wanna review??
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12:37	markveidemanis	i have ~70 images of my server
12:37	markveidemanis	on imgur
12:37	markveidemanis	anyone wanna review??
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12:41	markveidemanis	http://imgur.com/a/dDXWX#0
12:41	markveidemanis	DONE AT LAST!!!
12:44	markveidemanis	i said hi not Hi
12:45	markveidemanis	ctcp chanserv time??
12:45	markveidemanis	that could mean anything
12:46	markveidemanis	<john_minetest> hello i hike cheese and i live on mars
12:46	markveidemanis	see what i mean?
12:47	markveidemanis	Its on mars!
12:47	markveidemanis	or did i say the moon
12:47	celeron55	this looks pretty 8) http://imgur.com/a/dDXWX#64
12:48	markveidemanis	thanks, that is cx385's house in spawn
12:48	markveidemanis	http://imgur.com/a/dDXWX#66 <== jojoa1997 messing around with worldedit on my server...
12:49	markveidemanis	each chink is lit independent of the others
12:49	markveidemanis	lit animated
12:50	markveidemanis	Yep
12:50	markveidemanis	iirc you did that right?
12:51	markveidemanis	John...
12:51	markveidemanis	can you come on my server so i can give you a tour
12:51	markveidemanis	of a brand new monument in skycity
12:51	markveidemanis	the leaning tower of skye
12:51	markveidemanis	Just made that up now
12:53	sapier	celeron55 is jthread written specially for minetest or is it included from somewhere?
12:56	markveidemanis	Oblivion1500::interact,settime,irc_admin,home,fly,worldedit,server,home_other,basic_privs,bring,teleport,money,privs,sethome_other,fast,openlocks,ban,rollback,shout,password,noclip,diglocks,give
12:56	markveidemanis	i blame jojoa
12:57	sapier	for what?
12:57	markveidemanis	granting that
12:57	sapier	:-)
12:58	markveidemanis	come on the server
12:58	markveidemanis	http://imgur.com/a/dDXWX#66
12:58	markveidemanis	look...its awesome
12:58	markveidemanis	:D
12:59	markveidemanis	[COME ON MEDIA!!]
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13:05	markveidemanis	http://imgur.com/gallery/qlVHtCC
13:05	markveidemanis	^Pretty pic
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13:09	celeron55	sapier: it's from here http://research.edm.uhasselt.be/~jori/page/index.php?n=CS.Jthread
13:12	markveidemanis	http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/817769-did-the-terrain-become-boring-update-11713-the-letter-has-been-sent/
13:13	markveidemanis	someone, recreate this!!!
13:14	sapier	celeron55 are there any objections to adding new features to it?
13:18	markveidemanis	yes, you go do that:D
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13:22	markveidemanis	also,the biomes are shit, lets face it
13:22	markveidemanis	sorry, but its true
13:22	markveidemanis	be more minecraft!
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13:30	markveidemanis	http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=93 <==SAD!!
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13:32	markveidemanis	!serveer
13:32	markveidemanis	!server
13:32	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: Steinheim French\|English server \| minetest-cdk.servegame.com:30000 up (97.719%)
13:33	markveidemanis	Who will admire the Architectural qualities of my server
13:33	markveidemanis	Just another way of saying: COME ON MY SERVER
13:38	sapier	have you noticed that you are the only one talking markveidemanis?
13:38	markveidemanis	I Am Bored .
13:38	markveidemanis	no
13:38	markveidemanis	you are! :P
13:38	sapier	you're halucinating
13:39	sapier	I'm not talking ;-)
13:39	markveidemanis	<sapier> I'm not talking ;-)
13:39	markveidemanis	im not spamming
13:39	markveidemanis	im not spamming
13:39	markveidemanis	:D
13:39	markveidemanis	Its Double-Vision
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13:41	markveidemanis	i was not spamming!
13:41	markveidemanis	can you post what it said when i left?
13:45	markveidemanis	Someone give me something to do
13:46	PilzAdam	markveidemanis, go to wikipedia and read a bit
13:48	markveidemanis	Anything but athat
13:48	markveidemanis	thattt..
13:49	markveidemanis	Channel modes on #minetest are: +cnt
13:49	markveidemanis	i find that offensive
13:49	markveidemanis	#minetest was created at: Wed Feb 16 21:06:43 2011
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13:51	markveidemanis	everyone on #minetest, quick!
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13:51	markveidemanis	everyone on #minetest, quick!
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13:53	markveidemanis	/mode #minecraft +b
13:54	markveidemanis	im on that list:P
13:54	markveidemanis	A messed up example of the uncertainty principle?
13:54	markveidemanis	:D
13:55	markveidemanis	Shrodingher, right?
13:55	Zeg9	Hey there
13:55	Zeg9	I like cats stories. Sending that to friends
13:56	markveidemanis	SchrÃ¶dinger's cat: a cat, a flask of poison, and a radioactive source are placed in a sealed box. If an internal monitor detects radioactivity (i.e. a single atom decaying), the flask is shattered, releasing the poison that kills the cat. There is a supposed 50% chance of this happening. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when one lo
13:56	markveidemanis	e and dead. This poses the question of when exactly quantum superposition ends and reality collapses into one possibility or the other.
13:57	markveidemanis	Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
13:57	markveidemanis	??
13:57	markveidemanis	IRC can't do accents?
13:58	Zeg9	It can
13:58	Zeg9	but URLs are encoded
13:58	markveidemanis	á¶¯á¶®á¸‰â¿â‚‘á»©á»ž
13:58	Leuthihi	john_minetest: I'm sorry, that has nothing to do with quantum mechanics. SchrÃ¶dinger's experiment uses a quantum-mechanical trigger. You'd need to trigger both the zombie-bite and the gas release with two different quantum-mechanicals trigger to make it a "quantum-mechanics" experiment.
13:58	markveidemanis	it works perfectly
13:58	markveidemanis	Zzzzz
13:58	markveidemanis	Zzz
13:58	markveidemanis	Wha--?
13:59	markveidemanis	ê¡ê•ê”ê¢ê£ê±ê³ê²êµêœêªê·êž êŸ¸êŸ¹êž¦êž¤
13:59	markveidemanis	hexadecimal
13:59	Leuthihi	markveidemanis: Go watch the tennis if you're bored.
14:00	markveidemanis	à¹‡à¹‡à¹‡à¹›à¹—à¹›à¹˜
14:00	markveidemanis	áš·áš·áš·á›°á›¯á›®áš¿á›áš»
14:01	markveidemanis	áš·áš·áš·á›°á›¯á›®áš¿á›áš»á›‡á›‡
14:01	markveidemanis	il stop now:P
14:01	Leuthihi	No you won't stop as long as you're bored - so do something about it.
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14:03	jojoa1997	!up minetest.org 30005
14:03	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30005 is up (1.025ms)
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14:04	PilzAdam	Hi Gambit, have you any news about a new version of MineToon?
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14:07	markveidemanis	JOJOA1997, WE NEED TO TALK
14:07	Gambit	Who what now?
14:07	jojoa1997	what5
14:07	Gambit	PilzAdam: Apparently there's a Gambit on the Minetest forums. I am not he.
14:07	markveidemanis	On mtmt
14:07	Gambit	Confusing, I know, but I had this name first :P
14:08	PilzAdam	yea, confusing :-)
14:13	celeron55	hmm... what has been previoisly at wiki.minetest.net?
14:13	celeron55	previously*
14:13	celeron55	was the old dev wiki there? i can't remember
14:13	PilzAdam	celeron55, the old dev wiki was at minetest.net/wiki/
14:14	PilzAdam	(and is still there)
14:14	celeron55	hmm, it goes to the now unused crashy VPS
14:14	celeron55	i guess the dev wiki was in there too
14:14	celeron55	i wonder where it should point at
14:14	celeron55	old dev wiki? dew dev wiki? wiki.minetest.com?
14:15	celeron55	new*
14:15	celeron55	google finds almost no references at all to wiki.minetest.net; i don't think anyone has been linking much to that address
14:16	celeron55	i'll make it a 302 redirect to dev.minetest.net for now
14:27	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org 30010
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14:35	celeron55	why is there so much minetest-related stuff in Offtopic
14:36	celeron55	hmm, apparently not so much; a single new one now
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14:38	markveidemanis	Dont spam
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14:42	jojoa1997	how do you get s=rid of shadows using world edit
14:43	jojoa1997	nvm
14:51	jojoa1997	i found how
14:51	jojoa1997	use replace and then
14:51	jojoa1997	//fixlight
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14:52	markveidemanis_	LOL battery just ran out
14:53	markveidemanis_	stop it minetestbot
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14:58	VanessaE	morning all.
14:58	markveidemanis	Good 15:00 Time
14:59	sfan5	hey MinetestBot
14:59	MinetestBot	Hi sfan5
14:59	sfan5	hey MinetestBot
14:59	markveidemanis	WHY?
14:59	MinetestBot	Hey sfan5
14:59	markveidemanis	hey MinetestBot
14:59	MinetestBot	Hi markveidemanis
14:59	markveidemanis	hey MinetestBot
14:59	MinetestBot	Hello markveidemanis!
14:59	markveidemanis	haha
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15:01	markveidemanis	##mtmarktwain
15:01	markveidemanis	hey MinetestBot
15:01	MinetestBot	Hi markveidemanis!
15:02	markveidemanis	damm clipboard
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15:19	markveidemanis	<NEWS/>
15:20	markveidemanis	minetest channel ##mtmarktwain is broken and replaced with ##marktwain
15:20	markveidemanis	and a failed previous: #mtmarktwain
15:20	markveidemanis	</NEWS>
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15:21	markveidemanis	1 more thing
15:21	markveidemanis	PLEASE JOIN !!!
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15:22	markveidemanis	Who wants to test bot or spam...Or both?
15:22	markveidemanis	#join yogscast
15:22	markveidemanis	whoops fail
15:23	markveidemanis	^ who wants to : go to #mtmt
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15:26	TB\|Vibe-X	hi all
15:26	VanessaE	hi
15:27	TB\|Vibe-X	does someone knows a tutorial, how to compile minetest? i've forgotten the linkl :/
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15:28	sapier	wrong
15:28	TB\|Vibe-X	yeha i know, but with cmake you are able
15:29	sapier	cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
15:29	sapier	make
15:29	TB\|Vibe-X	thanks :)
15:29	sapier	true ... "." was missing
15:29	Jordach	hello VanessaE
15:29	sapier	and of course install all dependencys
15:29	VanessaE	hey
15:30	TB\|Vibe-X	yeah ia will have a look on this
15:30	VanessaE	cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 . ; make -j2
15:30	TB\|Vibe-X	"https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master" is this still actually?
15:30	Jordach	VanessaE, go test issue #432
15:30	VanessaE	that is the correct command (change "2" to number of cores you have times 2)
15:30	VanessaE	Jordach: eh?
15:30	TB\|Vibe-X	ive got problems with 8
15:30	TB\|Vibe-X	but 2 works very well
15:30	Jordach	VanessaE, sapier's experimental fix for emergethread
15:30	TB\|Vibe-X	i thought about the "merge players problem"
15:31	VanessaE	Jordach: I already have it in place.
15:31	TB\|Vibe-X	this just happend while using -j 7 :D
15:31	Jordach	how is it working?
15:31	VanessaE	my server was the testbed for it
15:31	TB\|Vibe-X	-j 8 j2 worked
15:31	VanessaE	it helps
15:31	Jordach	VanessaE, move this chat to -mods
15:35	VanessaE	[01-20 10:34] <Jordach> so -- any major lockups since?
15:35	VanessaE	Not major ones, no, but it does still hang up from time to time. But, it seems to resolve itself faster than before.
15:36	Jordach	so theres room for improvement
15:36	VanessaE	I won't know for sure until I see a few people playing normally for a few days
15:36	VanessaE	and attendance has fallen off quite drastically because of the lag
15:36	Jordach	VanessaE, i know an eaier way
15:36	Jordach	easier
15:36	Jordach	get mauvebic to worldedit a city in place
15:37	Jordach	(that should make emergethread choke)
15:37	VanessaE	no need. With my moretrees mod installed, the server has tons of content
15:37	VanessaE	that's already enough
15:37	VanessaE	the more "stuff" that has to be loaded, even if it isn't being generated, the worse the performance.
15:38	VanessaE	fly around near the spawn and things are okay. Venture out into the outskirts where the heavily-wooded areas are and it starts to lag
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15:39	Jordach	then moretrees needs lesstrees
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15:39	VanessaE	fuck no
15:39	Jordach	in fact: a mod known as trees which the expansion shall be moretrees
15:39	Jordach	(thats if it can take such pressure)
15:39	VanessaE	the emergethread code needs a proper fix
15:40	VanessaE	and it will get one sooner or later, I am sure.
15:40	sapier	I assume problem is that abm's caused by all those trees still somewhat disturb emerge thread
15:40	VanessaE	sapier: no.
15:40	sapier	no? why are you that sure?
15:40	TB\|Vibe-X	have someone a list of dependencies?
15:40	TB\|Vibe-X	oherwise i have to test all dev packages :D
15:40	VanessaE	the ABMs that generated those trees operate in the same manner whether they're in a tree area or not
15:40	VanessaE	same amount of load anyway
15:41	VanessaE	the problem is the existence of that much content
15:41	TB\|Vibe-X	ah alright
15:41	VanessaE	not what caused it to be added.
15:41	VanessaE	sapier: also,
15:41	TB\|Vibe-X	i found sorry
15:41	sapier	plantlife growing algorithms too?
15:41	VanessaE	I switched to mapgen-based tree growth a couple of days ago.
15:41	VanessaE	and trees don't "grow" via plantlife's growing code.
15:41	VanessaE	(which is also quite fast)
15:42	VanessaE	well they do grow in the sense that if a sapling is planted, it'll turn into a tree eventually, but that is done via L-systems, so it's instant
15:42	sapier	that's not what I meant, I've just recognized that lag and plantlife growing messages where somehow related ... but I'm not sure if this is related to the lag
15:42	VanessaE	and the ABM for that is triggered by the existence of the sapling - no saplings = no ABM calls in that area.
15:43	sapier	maybe vines? those are far more common in heavyly wooded areas?
15:43	VanessaE	nope
15:43	sapier	ok I'm just guessing atm
15:44	VanessaE	I just added vines when I added the moretrees mod, btu I had jungle trees and conifers mods before moretrees, with growth abms disabled and the server still lagged
15:44	sapier	are there any abm's directly or indirectly related to moretrees?
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15:45	sapier	I ask because I don't really understand difference between a tree and mountains ... both are just lots of nodes
15:45	VanessaE	Jeija: go to -dev, they are discussing adding your server manager.
15:45	VanessaE	sapier: in its present incarnation, only a couple of sparsely-executed ABMs to turn saplings into trees.
15:46	sapier	that shouldn't make a difference, at least if there aren't tons of saplings around
15:46	VanessaE	even if there are, they only grow very rarely
15:46	VanessaE	and the abm is tied to the saplings themselves
15:46	VanessaE	not the grass under them
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15:47	VanessaE	so a dozen saplings in a 5x5x5 chunk is only going to take a fraction of a fraction of a second to execute even if all of them turn into trees all at once.
15:47	sapier	true, but I'm not sure about how abm's are done if they take lock calculate chance and then release lock even rare abms have big footprint
15:48	VanessaE	the abm for growing a conifer is probably very similar to the one used to grow default saplings -> trees
15:48	VanessaE	so I don't see how it would add to the load.
15:48	sapier	you're right
15:48	markveidemanis	i say kill all trees!!!
15:49	markveidemanis	someone make a mod
15:49	markveidemanis	that deletes all tree materials from all tree mods from the mapo
15:49	markveidemanis	map
15:49	sapier	we're not talking about workarounds but trying to find a fix for the root cause
15:49	VanessaE	markveidemanis: moretrees operates on mapgen now, not via abm, so trees won't keep regrowing unless you plant them,
15:50	sapier	more exactly we're even trying to find the root cause atm
15:50	markveidemanis	but how do i delete the ones in spawn!?
15:50	VanessaE	in the meantime, use worldedit to clear out the overgrowth
15:50	markveidemanis	they intersect wih buildings
15:50	VanessaE	so?
15:50	markveidemanis	and the buildings are 25x25
15:50	markveidemanis	and theres like 19 of them
15:50	markveidemanis	with 2 floors
15:50	markveidemanis	and glass windows
15:50	VanessaE	fly around, //pos1 fly some more, //pos2 //replace conifers:trunk air
15:51	sapier	take a axe helmet and play lumberjack ;-)
15:51	VanessaE	//replace conifers:leaves air
15:51	VanessaE	//replace conifers:leaves_special air
15:51	VanessaE	//fixlight
15:51	VanessaE	there. problem solved.
15:51	markveidemanis	any way i can use an abm?
15:51	sapier	no
15:51	PilzAdam	markveidemanis, see my clean mod
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15:54	markveidemanis	what if i do //set air...
15:54	markveidemanis	uh.oh
15:54	markveidemanis	undo???!
15:54	VanessaE	noooooo
15:54	markveidemanis	jkjk
15:54	VanessaE	I told you to use //replace
15:54	markveidemanis	:P
15:55	markveidemanis	its
15:55	markveidemanis	it takes ages to loaf
15:55	markveidemanis	load
15:55	VanessaE	I know, but that's how you have to do it
16:00	markveidemanis	i typed the commands, the server is lagging
16:00	markveidemanis	will it continue if i exit?
16:00	VanessaE	it'll take a while to execute.
16:00	VanessaE	do not exit.
16:00	VanessaE	just minimize your client and check back later.
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16:01	markveidemanis	Hmmmm ok
16:01	markveidemanis	:D
16:01	VanessaE	good morning (etc), hmmmm.
16:01	markveidemanis	leaves: 1608
16:02	VanessaE	markveidemanis: sounds about right.
16:02	VanessaE	11:02 am and it's xchat.
16:02	VanessaE	:)
16:02	markveidemanis	k
16:02	markveidemanis	Hmm...
16:03	hmmmm	hi
16:03	markveidemanis	good: evening, afternood, morning
16:03	markveidemanis	afternoon***
16:03	VanessaE	TZAG as marktraceur would say.
16:04	markveidemanis	conifers are still there
16:05	VanessaE	so replace the other parts
16:05	VanessaE	conifers:trunk
16:05	VanessaE	conifers:leaves_special
16:07	markveidemanis	i did that and it only removed part of them
16:07	VanessaE	then you didn't select enough of the area
16:07	VanessaE	or the mapgen fell behind. execute the //replace commands again
16:08	markveidemanis	now they are lagging like hell, dropping themselves as items
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16:08	VanessaE	that's the leafdecay mod doing that, part of the game's default stuff.
16:08	VanessaE	because you removed trunks first.
16:09	VanessaE	remove the leaves now
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16:09	VanessaE	then /clearobjects
16:09	markveidemanis	after i do that to all of spanw
16:09	markveidemanis	spawn
16:11	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org 30010
16:11	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30010 is up (0.926ms)
16:11	markveidemanis	but lagging...
16:11	VanessaE	wait for it to finish
16:12	VanessaE	then /shutdown and restart the server.
16:12	markveidemanis	2454 thats more like it!
16:12	VanessaE	(if you can't restart it yourself, don't /shutdown)
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16:12	markveidemanis	not restart
16:12	markveidemanis	i know how to restart it safely
16:12	VanessaE	/shutdown
16:12	VanessaE	but you have to be able to start it back up.
16:13	markveidemanis	fixlight?
16:13	VanessaE	ARGH
16:13	VanessaE	go back and re-read what I said.
16:14	markveidemanis	i did /clear
16:14	markveidemanis	and clearobjects
16:15	markveidemanis	can i exit yet?
16:16	TB\|Vibe-X	does someone knows the debian package, needed for minetest used curl?
16:16	markveidemanis	NOp
16:16	markveidemanis	Nop
16:16	TB\|Vibe-X	ah i found
16:16	TB\|Vibe-X	:D
16:16	TB\|Vibe-X	/usr/include/curl/curl.hlibcurl4-gnutls-dev, libcurl4-nss-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev
16:17	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org 30010
16:17	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30010 is up (0.548ms)
16:17	markveidemanis	so...not crashed???
16:18	mauvebic	bot(s) are back? cool
16:19	markveidemanis	!up markmt/strangled.net
16:19	MinetestBot	markmt/strangled.net:30000 seems to be down
16:19	markveidemanis	.
16:19	markveidemanis	!up markmt.strangled.net
16:19	MinetestBot	markmt.strangled.net:30000 seems to be down
16:19	markveidemanis	Balls to it
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16:20	markveidemanis	hi
16:20	VanessaE	/clearobjects will take a while to run, markveidemanis
16:20	VanessaE	that's a memory-heavy command
16:20	markveidemanis	i kno...
16:21	mauvebic	hints at /clearnearobjects for big maps :p
16:21	markveidemanis	dammit!!!!!
16:23	VanessaE	what?
16:24	rubenwardy	hi all
16:24	VanessaE	hey rubenwardy
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16:26	babyface1031	does anyone know what this guy is http://i.imgur.com/WD1bCJ8.png
16:26	rubenwardy	I have great respect for Celeron55, game programming with Irrlicht and network capability is hard
16:26	rubenwardy	santa?
16:26	VanessaE	looks like Yakov Smirnoff :-)
16:26	VanessaE	(sp)
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16:30	babyface1031	could it be santa is santa in the xmas mod?
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16:34	Jordach	also: when did the bots get back in?
16:34	markveidemanis	when thexyz quit
16:34	markveidemanis	and stopped banning them
16:35	rubenwardy	google is so slow
16:36	Jordach	thexyz, if bots are banned, then why is MinetestBot here?
16:36	markveidemanis	they agreed afterbanning mine and iqual's bots
16:37	markveidemanis	i think we don't need bots
16:37	markveidemanis	!agree
16:37	markveidemanis	:D
16:37	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org 30000-30003
16:37	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30000 is up (0.662ms)
16:37	sapier	I like them if they reduce spam :-))
16:37	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30001 is up (0.523ms)
16:37	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30002 is up (1.576ms)
16:37	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30003 seems to be down
16:37	markveidemanis	lol
16:38	markveidemanis	good timing
16:38	markveidemanis	Å‚Ã¸Å‚
16:38	thexyz	Jordach: dunno, ask sfan5
16:38	sapier	hmm ... not quite what was intended :-)
16:38	Calinou	dirt monsters are attacking me from inside ;-;
16:38	Jordach	sapier, they dont. :P
16:39	Jordach	thexyz, you are also out of date for a win32 build
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16:39	Calinou	did a /clearobjects and still happens
16:39	thexyz	Jordach: 1 commit that's not important at all
16:40	Jordach	thexyz, why are the checkboxes in your builds grey and not white
16:41	sfan5	Jordach: celeron55 allowed 1 bot in this channel
16:41	Jordach	aye
16:41	sfan5	so i started mine
16:43	Jordach	i finally found where my framerate went
16:43	Jordach	fuck you opengl
16:46	mauvebic	opengl 4.2.11762 doesnt seem as fast as opengl3 on the p4 but that could be many things
16:49	Calinou	opengl 4.2.0 here
16:49	Calinou	someone's having AMD GPUs
16:49	Calinou	(and I could upgrade to opengl 4.3.0 if I wanted)
16:49	Jordach	i lost 30fps in openGL compared to d3d9
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16:50	kaeza	hi all
16:50	Calinou	Jordach: blame windows :P
16:50	Jordach	Calinou, blame my (aging) gpu (even though theres a 1gb in that!)
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16:51	Calinou	recent GPUs are faster at opengl ;-)
16:52	Calinou	wtf, I'm on my server with another player
16:52	Calinou	he has 30 second lag but my upload BW is far from 100% used, same for CPU
16:52	Calinou	I have simplemobs, moreores, moreblocks, flowers, mesecons, carts, ufo mods
16:52	sapier	opengl or directX is only a matter of driver
16:55	Calinou	GPUs somehow, too
16:55	Calinou	but also driver
16:56	sapier	modern GPU's do only basic operations, how to use them to do graphics is driver issue so for most common use cases driver will be bottleneck
17:03	Calinou	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4519
17:03	* Calinou	voted "no"
17:06	thexyz	Jordach: dunno, should they be white?
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17:13	klunk	wtf with difference here, that's shocking, seriously. :-/
17:13	klunk	starting with poney hate
17:14	klunk	after people flaming
17:15	klunk	people way of life flamming, I mean. Hmm, I'm leaving for today.
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17:35	kaeza	http://cheezburger.com/6981274368
17:36	VanessaE	Calinou: regarding lag, you're hitting the EmergeThread wall I keep hitting
17:48	markveidemanis	http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/404
17:54	Calinou	VanessaE: what's that?
17:54	VanessaE	Calinou: a bug in the engine
17:54	Calinou	k
17:57	markveidemanis	moo
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18:01	erlehmann	so how can i replace everything with lego?
18:01	erlehmann	lego nodebox is
18:02	erlehmann	fixed = {
18:02	erlehmann	{-0.5,-0.5,-0.5, 0.5,0.5,0.5},
18:02	erlehmann	{-0.4,0.5,-0.4, -0.1,0.6,-0.1},
18:02	erlehmann	{0.1,0.5,-0.4, 0.4,0.6,-0.1},
18:02	erlehmann	{-0.4,0.5,0.1, -0.1,0.6,0.4},
18:02	erlehmann	{0.1,0.5,0.1, 0.4,0.6,0.4},
18:02	erlehmann	},
18:02	erlehmann	:3
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18:05	sapier	open default mod init.lua and replace each node by a node with this nodebox ;-)
18:06	PilzAdam	erlehmann, or go to builtin/item.lua and change the default drawtype and nodebox
18:06	erlehmann	PilzAdam and as a mod â€žchange everything to legoâ€œ ?
18:06	RealBadAngel	77.91.18.205:30000
18:06	RealBadAngel	if some1 wanna see new trees
18:06	RealBadAngel	server is up
18:07	PilzAdam	erlehmann, there is no good support for mods to change the default behaviour
18:07	erlehmann	oh :(
18:07	PilzAdam	I tried to change stack_max to 64 in MiniTest without adding it to every single node definition
18:07	PilzAdam	doenst work good
18:09	erlehmann	Minitest?
18:10	PilzAdam	a game for the minetest engine made by me that tries to copy the MC gameplay
18:10	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam: wanna join?
18:10	PilzAdam	I havent worked on this for a while
18:10	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, when omploader gets it DB errors fixed
18:11	PilzAdam	im trying to ompload something
18:11	RealBadAngel	i ve just setup a test server with trees generatin on mapgen
18:12	RealBadAngel	world looks just excellent
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18:15	markveidemanis	i have setup a server just now too
18:20	markveidemanis	if anyone wants to see the new skycity: minetest.org 30010
18:20	kaeza	...
18:20	* Calinou	is updating his nvidia driver to 313.18
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18:26	Calinou	hope X will start :-D
18:26	Calinou	prepares live USB
18:31	thexyz	debian problems?
18:31	Calinou	nope
18:31	Calinou	ubuntu problems :-)
18:32	VanessaE	can someone help me with a dynamic table reference in Lua?
18:32	kaeza	VanessaE, ?
18:32	kaeza	and hi :)
18:32	VanessaE	given this string: defname = "moretrees."..treename.."_model"
18:32	VanessaE	how do I get the contents of the table named by that string so that I can pass it to another function?
18:33	kaeza	hmm
18:33	PilzAdam	VanessaE, table_name["string"] ?
18:33	kaeza	how about: defname = treename.."_model"
18:33	VanessaE	table_name ?
18:33	PilzAdam	or table_name[var] here
18:33	kaeza	and moretrees[defname]
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18:34	Calinou	workjs
18:34	Calinou	works*
18:34	kaeza	congrats Calinou ^_^
18:35	Calinou	I am now using teh openglz 4.3.0
18:35	VanessaE	ah hah!
18:36	VanessaE	kaeza's method works
18:36	kaeza	VanessaE, nice!
18:36	Calinou	there seems to be a noticeable performance improvement over 304.51
18:36	PilzAdam	VanessaE, kaeza's way is exactly the same thing I said
18:36	kaeza	BTW table["field"] is the same as table.field
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18:37	Kacey	hello all
18:37	kaeza	hey Kacey
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18:38	Kacey	im on my xbox ^-^
18:38	kaeza	I'm on my toaster ^-^
18:38	Calinou	O_o I can see the amount of VRAM used on my GPU
18:38	Calinou	70MB right now
18:38	Kacey	\o/ i win haha
18:39	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I must have used your method wrongly then - either way it's working now.
18:39	kaeza	VanessaE, PilzAdam was just a bit less specific to your case
18:39	Kacey	i wonder... could a team of us get together and make minetest for the 360?
18:41	kaeza	Calinou, I miss the old DOS times where you could get away with just 256K of VRAM
18:43	Calinou	I have 5000Ã— more VRAM than that
18:43	kaeza	I have only 128M. Integrated adapters suck :(
18:44	Kacey	hi Jeija
18:45	Jeija	hi
18:45	markveidemanis	hi
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18:46	Kacey	i think i know how to make mesecons better
18:47	Kacey	animated pistons and stick pistons
18:47	Kacey	sticky, even
18:48	kaeza	notbad.jpg
18:48	Kacey	haha i had an idea
18:49	kaeza	inb4 copyright infringement
18:50	kaeza	nope, not even that
18:51	Kacey	it is all registered under OldCoder...
18:51	kaeza	*Coder nicknames are Â© 1950-2013 OldCoder
18:51	Kacey	not KaceyCoder
18:51	KaceyCoder	i win haha
18:52	kaeza	better
18:52	YoungDerp	i am a derp lol
18:52	kaeza	tro lo lo lo
18:54	YoungDerp	lets see if OC can figure out who i am now haha
18:54	kaeza	There's something called "chat log".
18:55	sapier	is anyone here looking for a new challenge?
18:55	OldCoder	Hi
18:55	markveidemanis	HELLO!
18:55	Calinou	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/xonotic20130120195424-00.jpg
18:55	Calinou	hi
18:55	kaeza	hey OldCoder
18:55	sapier	is there a log of this channel?
18:55	OldCoder	Hi
18:55	Calinou	kaeza: ^ :P
18:55	OldCoder	sapier, Yes
18:55	markveidemanis	server performance is well...Foggy
18:56	markveidemanis	and plz remove animals
18:56	markveidemanis	see my link?
18:56	markveidemanis	thats the updated modpack
18:56	sapier	ahhh it's there again last time I had a look at it link wasn't there
18:56	kaeza	sapier, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/today/
18:56	markveidemanis	and i edited and updated trashcan
18:56	kaeza	-/
18:56	YoungDerp	helo OldCoder
18:57	markveidemanis	LittleCoder
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18:57	markveidemanis	YoungCoder
18:57	markveidemanis	Lol
18:57	Calinou	kaeza: I now play xonotic at 60FPS on ultimate settings while keeping the fan at 40% speed (the default one) :P
18:57	Calinou	it will increase sometimes, though
18:57	Calinou	(also, 4Ã— AA)
18:57	sapier1	kaeza I see only 403 on that link ;-)
18:57	kaeza	awesome
18:57	kaeza	sapier1, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/today
18:58	kaeza	(without the ending / )
18:58	sapier1	ah :-)
18:59	sapier1	btw mob count on oc's servers has increased by aproximatly factor 4 with this update (at least if oc didn't disable more mobs)
19:00	OldCoder	Hello
19:00	kaeza	sapier1, do mobs disappear if too far from players?
19:00	sapier1	yes they disappear as any entity
19:00	YoungDerp	hi OldCoder
19:01	kaeza	lol Pidgin
19:02	sapier	yes ;-)
19:02	sapier	but still increasing number of mobs by factor 4 will have noticable impact on performance ... but I can't tell how much
19:04	Calinou	even simplemobs eats 106% of my CPU
19:04	sapier	simplemobs isn't quite simple ;-)
19:04	YoungDerp	wireless controller ftw!!!!!
19:05	Calinou	ethernet ftw
19:05	Calinou	125MB/sec vs 15MB/sec
19:05	Calinou	:3
19:05	OldCoder	sapier, I am told that vombies are present in my worlds even though you patched them out. It is fine but out of curiosity are you able to comment?
19:05	Calinou	and wireless controllers? latency everywhere
19:05	sapier	I don't have any idea ... I'll have a look why this happened
19:06	Kacey	hey i am going to register YoungDerp
19:06	YoUnGdErP	nobody cares about caps
19:06	Kacey	kaeza: Â¿como esta usted?
19:07	kaeza	wow "usted" :D no need to be so formal fella
19:07	MarkVeidemanis	Who knows braille
19:07	MarkVeidemanis	â Ÿâ â ®â ¼â ¾â °â ³â¡â â ´â ±â
19:08	Kacey	i show respecg
19:08	Kacey	respect, even
19:10	Kacey	kaeza es un hombre intelegente
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19:10	Kacey	intelegente, even
19:11	kaeza	MarkVeidemanis, "/ignore !@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.249.98 all" also does not care about caps ;)
19:11	MarkVeidemanis	is that my ip??
19:12	Kacey	OldCoder es un hobre serio
19:12	Kacey	espaÃ±ol
19:12	kaeza	hombre, even
19:12	Kacey	gotta love it
19:12	Kacey	i have strange buttons lol
19:12	kaeza	Ã¡Ã©ÃÃ³Ãº
19:13	Kacey	Ã±
19:13	MarkVeidemanis	+q
19:13	MarkVeidemanis	Å‚Ã¸Å‚
19:14	Kacey	Â¡Â¿Ã¦Å“Ã§Â£Â¥Â¤Ã¸Ã½Ã¾Ã°ÃŸÂµa
19:14	MarkVeidemanis	<spam>
19:14	MarkVeidemanis	OldCoder: conifers:leaves_special
19:14	MarkVeidemanis	conifers:trunk
19:16	Kacey	that verb ser is crazy right kaeza?
19:16	kaeza	?
19:16	Kacey	yo SOY
19:16	kaeza	tu ERES
19:17	Kacey	tÃº, even
19:17	Kacey	Ã©l/ella/usted ES
19:17	kaeza	I suck at spanish anyway
19:17	Kacey	nosotros SOMOS
19:17	markveidemanis	Mamma Mia!!!
19:18	Kacey	osotros SOIS
19:18	markveidemanis	NomNoM
19:18	Kacey	vosotros, even
19:18	Kacey	ellos/ustedes SON
19:18	kaeza	well, english has it's strange words too
19:19	Kacey	now i have to learn the erb estar
19:19	Kacey	verb, even
19:19	kaeza	he leaves the tree leaves on the fllor
19:19	Kacey	y'all
19:19	kaeza	floor, even
19:20	Kacey	onomatopia
19:20	Kacey	synonym
19:20	Kacey	antonym
19:20	Kacey	language :P
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19:21	kaeza	he left by going through the left door
19:22	Kacey	if i am on the other side of the room, it is the right door, right? haha
19:22	kaeza	it's your right!
19:22	kaeza	:P
19:22	Kacey	right!
19:23	Kacey	dont get me started on german :P
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19:25	Kacey	is "Â¿como eres?" a valid term en espaÃ±ol?
19:25	kaeza	maybe
19:25	kaeza	but not for what you want to ask
19:26	kaeza	"how are you?" == "Â¿cÃ³mo estÃ¡s?"
19:26	Kacey	that is estar
19:26	Kacey	i want toput ser in its place
19:26	Kacey	stupidspacebar
19:27	kaeza	whatisthespacebar?
19:27	* Kacey	hasnoideawhatthelongkeyatthebottomofthekeyboarddoes
19:27	kaeza	fail
19:27	Kacey	well
19:28	kaeza	btw "
19:28	Kacey	Â¿quÃ©?
19:29	kaeza	BTW "Â¿cÃ³mo eres?" is asking the other person about physical appearance/etc
19:29	Kacey	is it que or quÃ©
19:29	kaeza	depends
19:29	Kacey	for a question
19:29	kaeza	"QuÃ©" is when asking
19:30	kaeza	"Que" is in a statement
19:30	Kacey	lets see if i can do it right....
19:31	Kacey	yo soy .. nope i cant
19:31	Kacey	i was trying to say "i don't think i am going to school today" but i forgot how to
19:32	kaeza	"No creo que vaya a la escuela hoy"
19:32	Kacey	Â¿por quÃ©?
19:33	Kacey	all the time i ask that
19:33	kaeza	porque me siento mal :P
19:33	kaeza	inb4 sentate bien!
19:33	kaeza	lolol
19:33	Kacey	soy es muy gordo
19:34	Kacey	failure just plain fail
19:34	kaeza	you just said "I am am too fat"
19:34	Kacey	wrong form of ser... wrong adjetivo
19:35	kaeza	"I am" == "soy" nothing more, nothing less
19:35	kaeza	(maybe "yo soy")
19:35	Kacey	yo soy muy alto
19:36	Kacey	mucho
19:36	kaeza	I am very tall
19:36	Kacey	accidental o haha
19:36	Kacey	much better was meant there haha
19:39	Kacey	lunch time
19:39	Kacey	afk
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19:41	erlehmann	the lego thing does not werk
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19:43	kaeza	erlehmann, ?
19:45	erlehmann	changing default block rendering
19:45	sapier	OldCoder I've found and fixed the issue: https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/oldcoder_special_1.x.zip
19:45	sapier	I've enabled vombie to avoid unknown objects in your map
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20:03	markveidemanis	hi
20:04	TheZenKitteh	hi.. bye
20:29	sfan5	MinetestBot: quit
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20:35	* Jordach	feels like redoing minetest faithful
20:42	Dogzilla131	hi all
20:44	* Jordach	almost shit jordachs pants
20:47	* Jordach	has learned some mistakes from the last time
20:51	TheZenKitteh	hello dogzilla131 jordach
20:51	Jordach	TheZenKitteh, http://i.imgur.com/eX4SicO.png
20:51	Jordach	like the new bricks?
20:51	Kacey	back
20:51	kaeza	hey all
20:52	TheZenKitteh	I don't even remember what default bricks look like
20:52	TheZenKitteh	lol using a custom brick texture
20:52	TheZenKitteh	but looking good
20:53	Jordach	TheZenKitteh, https://github.com/Jordach/Faithful_Minetest_Texture_Pack
20:53	Jordach	TheZenKitteh, welcome to 2.0
20:53	Jordach	(vattic's mc faithful is handy!)
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20:54	TheZenKitteh	jordach at the time im fairly satisfied with current texture set im using lol.. im beginning to like doing textures
20:54	Jordach	same here
20:54	Jordach	however, these mouse buttons are dying on me
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20:55	Kacey	Â¨\(*_o)/Â¨
20:55	Kacey	idk
20:55	TheZenKitteh	well you know to get a new mouse you need to first get some good stinky cheese
20:55	* Jordach	slaps TheZenKitteh
20:55	Jordach	NO!
20:55	TheZenKitteh	once you have captured your mouse you must then kill it and wire it up
20:55	TheZenKitteh	lol
20:56	* TheZenKitteh	had to go there
20:56	kaeza	why the frack has Gimp to be so hard to use?
20:57	TheZenKitteh	its not overly hard to use.. just a very steep learning curve
20:57	kaeza	I added an alpha channel and now I can't draw with colors
20:57	Kacey	anyone interested in making minetest for the 360? preferrably some core devs
20:57	TheZenKitteh	I think the developers care more about functionality than ease of use
20:57	kaeza	only draws alpha values based on the color
20:57	TheZenKitteh	I've been using gimp for years and I still don't know how to "use it very well"
20:58	TheZenKitteh	just some basics I've picked up
20:58	TheZenKitteh	lol
20:58	kaeza	fck gimp, I'm switching to aseprite
20:58	TheZenKitteh	long ago before I found linux I liked paintshop pro
20:58	Kacey	paint.net ftw
20:58	TheZenKitteh	I think there's a "gimpshop"?
20:58	Jordach	paint.net bleh
20:59	Jordach	http://www.gimpshop.com/
20:59	kaeza	have you tried aseprite? it's awesome for pixel art ^_^
20:59	TheZenKitteh	yea http://www.gimpshop.com/ but only doze and mac
20:59	TheZenKitteh	gimp does good with pixel art once you figure out how to
20:59	TheZenKitteh	lol I redid the industrial textures in gimp
21:00	TheZenKitteh	the cement texture will get redone when I feel like it
21:00	TheZenKitteh	asphalt might as well
21:01	Kacey	bbiab
21:01	kaeza	well, having to learn how to use yet another program disrupts workflow
21:01	Jordach	TheZenKitteh, http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/
21:01	sapier	gimpshop???
21:01	sapier	what strange links are you posting here?
21:01	cisoun	gimpshop ?!!!
21:01	cisoun	RUN YOU FOOL
21:02	TheZenKitteh	lol playing minetest disrupts workflow kaeza :P
21:02	TheZenKitteh	of course it's a fun distraction
21:02	sapier	DONT DOWNLOAD FROM THAT PAGE gimp is at http://www.gimp.org
21:02	cisoun	Gimpshop is now deprecated.
21:02	kaeza	http://aseprite.org FTW!!
21:03	* TheZenKitteh	has never used gimpshop but has heard its gimp but modded to be more like photoshop or somecrap
21:04	* Jordach	finally gave in and will probably upgrade gimp
21:04	cisoun	It has a photoshop single window mode but Gimp 2.8 can be used in only one window now. So GimpShop is now useless.
21:04	* kaeza	has Gimp 2.8
21:04	Jordach	cisoun, your pack: work boy work!
21:04	cisoun	yeah yeah I know
21:04	cisoun	but I'm very busy these days
21:04	cisoun	like I said I would work on my conifer mode but I don't really have the time.
21:04	Jordach	yes, UT does not count
21:05	cisoun	Exams are coming...
21:05	PilzAdam	bye
21:06	Jordach	bye
21:06	cisoun	http://gimpshop.com/dd/images/gimpshopvs.jpg lolwat
21:06	cisoun	Gimp ? Easier than Photoshop ? Tell me about making shadows in Gimp...
21:06	kaeza	I josu love how PilzAdam says "bye" and quits a second after
21:06	kaeza	just*
21:06	TheZenKitteh	pilzadam and jordach both did that kaeza
21:06	TheZenKitteh	lol
21:06	cisoun	I hate people who say "bye" and leaving the second after.
21:07	TheZenKitteh	related?
21:07	sapier	to me this page looks like those pages trying to distribute malware by abusing name of a good and free software
21:07	TheZenKitteh	lol
21:07	cisoun	Yeah, maybe.
21:07	TheZenKitteh	sapier who knows
21:07	TheZenKitteh	I remember there was a shareaza clone that did such
21:07	sapier	I don't know but I'd be extremely carefull
21:07	kaeza	sapier wow-gold.com?
21:07	TheZenKitteh	shareaza from sourceforge is clean but from shareaza.com not
21:07	kaeza	(or smth like that)
21:08	cisoun	Gimp is not as good as photoshop but if you know how to use it, you can do good stuff like in photoshop.
21:08	cisoun	This picture is a lie.
21:09	kaeza	cisoun and the thing is that with the scripting capabilities of Gimp you can match up and even surpass PS
21:09	sapier	Gimp has not as mich features as photoshop ... that's not telling it's better or not
21:09	TheZenKitteh	photoshop is for noobs and gimp is to leet haxors
21:09	TheZenKitteh	lol
21:09	TheZenKitteh	simple
21:09	kaeza	it's just that nobody cares about what PS has
21:10	kaeza	it's just marketing gimmick
21:10	TheZenKitteh	im sure anyone can use photoshop.. but gimp takes some time patience and skills
21:11	Zetetic	But everyone can try GIMP, not everyone has hundreds of pounds to spend on Photoshop :p
21:11	sapier	any complex software requires time to learn
21:17	* TheZenKitteh	randomly posts video/music link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFA32-2UscE
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21:23	kaeza	okay, finished my custom skin at last
21:23	kaeza	now testing :)
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21:49	Dogzilla131	Hi all :D
21:55	klunk	hi !
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22:09	TB\|Vibe-X	hi all, sorry asbout this question, but do someone knows the mod, what makes posible to pick up items, while walking over it?
22:09	jojoa1997	!up diamondmining.no-ip.org 30000
22:10	TB\|Vibe-X	and is there any mod to drop items, when digging it=?
22:10	TB\|Vibe-X	instead taking in inventory
22:10	RealBadAngel	yes
22:10	RealBadAngel	item_drop
22:11	TB\|Vibe-X	ah i found it , danke you =)
22:12	TB\|Vibe-X	RealBadAngel, do you know any possibility to let clients exit "connection" when server goes down / shutdown=
22:12	TB\|Vibe-X	i kill server with kill 15
22:14	OldCoder
22:14	OldCoder	Hi
22:14	OldCoder	sapier, thank you
22:14	sapier	if you want to remove mobs there's a config setting (one parameter) that makes mobf remove unused entities
22:19	kaeza	sapier can you still spawn them by hand?
22:19	kaeza	vombie hunting seems to be a popular sport
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22:20	Dogzilla131	kaeza
22:20	kaeza	yes
22:20	kaeza	here
22:20	Dogzilla131	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1708
22:20	Dogzilla131	EnderFreak :O
22:21	Dogzilla131	Somebody needs to make Slender man?
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22:21	Kacey	back
22:22	sapier	no if it's disabled its disabled
22:22	Dogzilla131	What?
22:22	kaeza	Dogzilla131, <kaeza> _sapier_ can you still spawn them by hand?
22:23	kaeza	Dogzilla131, <kaeza> vombie hunting seems to be a popular sport
22:23	Dogzilla131	Yes it is ;)
22:24	sapier	seems making them have less health was a good idea
22:28	* Kacey	is bored
22:29	* Kacey	puls out a roll of duct tape
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22:36	Dogzilla131	hi
22:37	Kacey	hello
22:39	Dogzilla131	Hey
22:39	Dogzilla131	Whats your favorite breed of dogs? This goes to all,
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22:42	Kacey	black lab, golden, and huskie
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22:43	Dogzilla131	Ok
22:45	Kacey	i want a little husky puppie that will never grow up :P
22:48	Dogzilla131	That will happen
22:48	Dogzilla131	in the future
22:48	Kacey	wish the people on #minetest-dev would answer me...
22:49	Kacey	I WANT MT FOR THE 360!!!
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22:52	Kacey	hello
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22:56	Forty-3	I'm having trouble compiling from source on linux
22:56	TheZenKitteh	forty-3 dev?
22:57	TheZenKitteh	also what linux distro
22:57	Forty-3	http://fpaste.org/dxVw/
22:57	Forty-3	fedora
22:57	Forty-3	I am aware we have packages
22:57	Forty-3	however, they're realy out of date
22:57	Forty-3	umm, I think
22:57	TB\|Vibe-X	what trouble do you heave?
22:58	Forty-3	see the pastebin
22:58	TB\|Vibe-X	any errors? debug
22:58	TheZenKitteh	im not familiar with fedora (I use mint) but looks like you are missing deps
22:58	TB\|Vibe-X	kk
22:58	TB\|Vibe-X	moment
22:58	Forty-3	this is when running cmake
22:58	Forty-3	I cloned from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
22:59	TB\|Vibe-X	did you tried cmake -DRUN....
22:59	TB\|Vibe-X	without dot?
22:59	Forty-3	why w/o dot
23:00	Forty-3	and, yes
23:00	TB\|Vibe-X	kk, did you installed all irrlicht libs?
23:00	TB\|Vibe-X	if you make cmake --> DBUILD_SERVER=1 DBUILD_CLIENT=0
23:00	TB\|Vibe-X	does this make anything better?
23:00	TB\|Vibe-X	this will except some libs
23:00	TB\|Vibe-X	from requirements
23:01	TB\|Vibe-X	and no sound of course ;)
23:01	Forty-3	no
23:01	Forty-3	it does not
23:01	TB\|Vibe-X	maybe you try it ;)
23:01	TB\|Vibe-X	i do so, i need some less libs for compiling now
23:01	TB\|Vibe-X	if i just compile server e.g.
23:01	TB\|Vibe-X	which do you want to compile?
23:01	Forty-3	both
23:02	TB\|Vibe-X	cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=0 -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
23:02	TB\|Vibe-X	i did so
23:02	TB\|Vibe-X	maybe you try to cmake a server first
23:02	TB\|Vibe-X	maybe you get this done, so i would say, it were a lib problem
23:02	Forty-3	dude
23:02	TB\|Vibe-X	because some path are different
23:02	Forty-3	it still errrors on IRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR
23:03	Forty-3	what do I put for that
23:03	TB\|Vibe-X	let me see, which files it needs, wait a little bitg please
23:03	Forty-3	:P
23:03	TB\|Vibe-X	it is in CMAK SRC folder
23:03	TB\|Vibe-X	where you can see which are included
23:03	TB\|Vibe-X	after you know, which files are included, you can search for dev packages
23:03	Dogzilla131	Can somebody vote which image is cutter?
23:04	Forty-3	no
23:04	TB\|Vibe-X	e.g. "irrlichttypes.h"
23:04	TB\|Vibe-X	do you installed any irrlicht dev packages=?
23:05	Forty-3	maybe
23:05	TB\|Vibe-X	you will list them better ;)
23:05	Forty-3	I have the 3.* version from the repos installed
23:05	TB\|Vibe-X	and have a look on those:D
23:05	TB\|Vibe-X	kk
23:05	TB\|Vibe-X	but dev? or just the "normal"
23:05	TB\|Vibe-X	you need dev for compiling, because of header files and such things
23:06	Forty-3	hm
23:06	Forty-3	I did not have the devel version
23:06	TB\|Vibe-X	which defora do oyu use? 17 , 18?
23:06	TB\|Vibe-X	thats the problem maybe ;)
23:06	TB\|Vibe-X	the compiled package, has no header files
23:06	TB\|Vibe-X	those you need to compile
23:06	TB\|Vibe-X	header files are often in dev packages
23:07	TB\|Vibe-X	in debian ... i think fedora will do same
23:07	TB\|Vibe-X	which fedora verison do you uise? ;)
23:08	Forty-3	yay!
23:08	Forty-3	it works
23:08	Forty-3	cmake . -DIRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/irrlicht
23:09	TB\|Vibe-X	;)
23:09	TB\|Vibe-X	maybe you have irrlicht header files already :D
23:09	TB\|Vibe-X	but i dont know if it will use irrlicht header files, some packages are needed curl .e.g
23:09	TB\|Vibe-X	there is curl.h needed
23:10	TB\|Vibe-X	but im happy to hear, you finished compiling ;)
23:10	TB\|Vibe-X	just a tipp . you can make -j2
23:10	TB\|Vibe-X	and "make package" to let create clean tgzt
23:10	TB\|Vibe-X	and "make package" to let create clean tgz file
23:10	Forty-3	k
23:16	TB\|Vibe-X	does someone know how to change gamemode while running server? or do i need to restart with changed config?
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23:20	Kacey	hello
23:21	sokomine	hi
23:22	Kacey	any devs around?
23:22	TB\|Vibe-X	what dou you want to know? ;)
23:22	Kacey	i wanted to tell them the idea i had
23:23	TB\|Vibe-X	best would be forum ;)
23:23	TB\|Vibe-X	write it there, so others can answer too
23:23	TB\|Vibe-X	and creates a discussion
23:24	Kacey	but the question is for c55 really
23:25	TB\|Vibe-X	... he is not the only one, who code ;)
23:25	TB\|Vibe-X	otherwise --> #minetest-dev
23:25	Kacey	i tried there but nobody is alive over there
23:25	TB\|Vibe-X	but forum would be the best, because people can read, when they have time
23:25	* Kacey	really wants mt for the 360
23:26	TB\|Vibe-X	<.< xbox 360?
23:26	Kacey	yep
23:26	TB\|Vibe-X	forgett about this. they have enough to do with the game as self
23:26	TB\|Vibe-X	it would not be easy to migrate it, because of microsoft shit
23:26	TB\|Vibe-X	and the libraries, which are not available on microsoft (directx available, opengl ?!)
23:27	Kacey	but a few of us could work together and put it in there
23:27	TB\|Vibe-X	the idea is "nice" but its not such easy
23:28	Kacey	dedication... c did it so why cant we?
23:28	Kacey	mc,even
23:28	Kacey	well i am off for a while
23:30	kaeza	LOL https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_1511117549.jpg
23:30	kaeza	tried to edit a sign and this happened ^
23:31	kaeza	the letters are perpendicular to the board
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23:47	kizeren	That seems to be normal :)
23:57	Forty-3	hah
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