IRC log for #minetest, 2013-01-11

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15:58	RagnarLaud	hi
15:58	RagnarLaud	PilzAdam i need help in compiling
15:58	RagnarLaud	let me copy/paste the error...
15:59	RagnarLaud	Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
15:59	RagnarLaud	Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
15:59	RagnarLaud	what to do?
15:59	thexyz	sudo
15:59	RagnarLaud	what?
15:59	thexyz	sudo
15:59	RagnarLaud	just type in sudo?
15:59	RagnarLaud	it gives me a list of commands
16:00	RagnarLaud	maybe sudo apt-get
16:00	RagnarLaud	OH
16:00	RagnarLaud	wait what?
16:00	RagnarLaud	OH
16:00	RagnarLaud	i get it
16:01	RagnarLaud	the file needs to be in sudo/root?
16:01	RagnarLaud	or what?!
16:01	VanessaE	RagnarLaud: sudo apt-get install <whatever you were trying to install before>
16:01	thexyz	jin_xi: well, I'm sorry, I was updating mysql server and then bot crashed because of its absence
16:01	RagnarLaud	im trying to compile minetest
16:01	RagnarLaud	-.-
16:01	VanessaE	e.g. the list of dependencies in the readme.
16:01	RagnarLaud	oh :D
16:02	RagnarLaud	vanessa...
16:02	RagnarLaud	can you help me compile?
16:02	VanessaE	no.
16:03	RagnarLaud	its my first time
16:03	RagnarLaud	why?
16:03	RagnarLaud	arent we friends?
16:03	VanessaE	because the README is very clear.
16:03	RagnarLaud	thexyz
16:03	VanessaE	and you need to learn how to do it
16:03	RagnarLaud	I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
16:03	thexyz	what?
16:03	RagnarLaud	can you help me compile?
16:03	thexyz	no
16:03	RagnarLaud	its my 1st time
16:03	RagnarLaud	cmon
16:03	PilzAdam	RagnarLaud, rtfm
16:03	RagnarLaud	-.-
16:03	thexyz	VanessaE: /kick RagnarLaud
16:03	RagnarLaud	rtfm?
16:03	RagnarLaud	why?
16:03	RagnarLaud	NO!
16:03		RagnarLaud was kicked by VanessaE: because thexyz said so ;)
16:03	thexyz	thx
16:03	VanessaE	np
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16:04	RagnarLaud	ok, ill behave
16:04	RagnarLaud	like i didnt before... -.-
16:04	thexyz	you don't have to behave, just learn to read
16:04	VanessaE	RagnarLaud: star there and follow the directions:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83
16:04	VanessaE	start*
16:04	RagnarLaud	youll help me?
16:04	RagnarLaud	:)
16:04	VanessaE	that's as much help as I can give.
16:04	thexyz	no way
16:06	RagnarLaud	ok...
16:06	VanessaE	RagnarLaud: compiling is easy.  go read the instructions I pointed to, use google et.al to look up whatever you don't understand.
16:06	RagnarLaud	oh
16:06	RagnarLaud	i had to put a sudo before the huge line?
16:06	VanessaE	PilzAdam: any interest in those couple of textures I pull-requested btw?
16:06	VanessaE	RagnarLaud: no, you have to run it before you even turn on your computer.  duh.
16:06	PilzAdam	I generally dislike the idea of using the GitHub issue tracker for texture suggestions
16:06	RagnarLaud	how is that possible?
16:07	VanessaE	PilzAdam: well, pull requests are still needed to get them into minetest_game anyway :-)
16:07	RagnarLaud	what, do i type it in an actual notepad?
16:07	VanessaE	RagnarLaud: fix your sarcasm detector.
16:07	VanessaE	*facepalm*
16:07	RagnarLaud	so i was right?
16:07	PilzAdam	yep
16:07	RagnarLaud	yay
16:07	RagnarLaud	:)
16:08	RagnarLaud	cd celeron55-minetest-286edd4
16:08	RagnarLaud	replace celeron55-minetest-286edd4 ?
16:08	RagnarLaud	and put minetest-flat
16:08	PilzAdam	cd celeron*
16:08	RagnarLaud	idk, that was how it was written in the README.txt :/
16:09	PilzAdam	you have to change the directory to the one you have just downloaded
16:09	VanessaE	PilzAdam: someone should indeed update the readme, that command should be shortened and combined with the cd games/ command...
16:09	PilzAdam	but the name of the directory is not the same every time
16:09	VanessaE	e.g.  cd celeron55-minetest*/games
16:09	RagnarLaud	if minetest-flat is on my desktop, then what?
16:10	PilzAdam	RagnarLaud, type cd and the drag the desctop folder into the terminal
16:10	PilzAdam	*drag and drop
16:10	RagnarLaud	i can do that?
16:10	VanessaE	(of course that won't work if the user has more than one minetest copy on hand..)
16:12	RagnarLaud	what do i do with the mv?
16:12	RagnarLaud	mv "what" "what"
16:12	RagnarLaud	im cd'd in .../games
16:12	PilzAdam	type "man mv" and read
16:13	RagnarLaud	simplify?
16:13	RagnarLaud	cmon, i read the minetest API
16:13	RagnarLaud	now this?
16:13	RagnarLaud	jesuz
16:14	PilzAdam	well, you just have to read the first line of the manpage
16:14	RagnarLaud	ok
16:14	PilzAdam	"move (rename) files"
16:14	RagnarLaud	what?
16:15	* RagnarLaud	's head hurts.
16:15	PilzAdam	that was a quote from the manpage
16:15	RagnarLaud	ok...
16:15	RagnarLaud	i see that
16:15	PilzAdam	mv celeron55-minetest_game-* minetest_game means you rename the folder
16:15	RagnarLaud	oh
16:16	PilzAdam	(as you can read in the manpage)
16:16	RagnarLaud	btw, why is it called the manpage?
16:16	RagnarLaud	did the developer make a typo?
16:16	PilzAdam	umm... no?
16:16	RagnarLaud	wanted to make it mainpage, but forgot the "i"
16:16	RagnarLaud	:D
16:20	VanessaE	man -> manual
16:20	RagnarLaud	oh :D
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16:21	RagnarLaud	KAEZA
16:21	RagnarLaud	da fuq?
16:21	RagnarLaud	kaeza
16:21	RagnarLaud	help me compile?
16:21	kaeza	compile what?
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16:33	RagnarLaud	Zeg9
16:33	RagnarLaud	i need help :(
16:33	Zeg9	Oh, no, not him -_-
16:33	RagnarLaud	PilzAdam is bulling me :'o
16:33	* RagnarLaud	isn't loved by anybody
16:33	RagnarLaud	:'(
16:34	* RagnarLaud	doesn't have any friends, so he tries to make friends online, but fails.
16:34	* Zeg9	is listening to MISSI͏NÒ‰GÍ¡NYÍ¡AN Ò‰CÁTÍž!"
16:34	* RagnarLaud	is listening to StopHouse - Rocketman ft. Yelawolf
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16:35	RagnarLaud	WHAT DA...
16:35	RagnarLaud	harrison!
16:35	Zeg9	!g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"
16:35	Minetest-tan	Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"'.
16:35	Zeg9	!g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"
16:35	Minetest-tan	Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!"'.
16:35	Zeg9	!g MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!
16:35	Minetest-tan	Zeg9: No results found for 'MISSI͏N҉G͡NY͡AN ҉CÁT͞!'.
16:35	Zeg9	:(
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16:35	RagnarLaud	@VanessaE
16:36	RagnarLaud	Zeg9 is abusing minetest-tan
16:36	Zeg9	...
16:36	RagnarLaud	NakedFury
16:36	harrison	?
16:36	NakedFury	hello
16:36	RagnarLaud	oh harrison, can you compile?
16:36	RagnarLaud	NakedFury, help me compile?
16:37	Zeg9	RagnarLaud, compile what?
16:37	NakedFury	cant because I dont know
16:37	RagnarLaud	Minetest-Flat
16:37	Zeg9	What's this?
16:37	RagnarLaud	PilzAdam made a new world gen, that makes the whole world flat
16:37	RagnarLaud	and i want it so i can make my town :D
16:38	RagnarLaud	Zeg9, help me?
16:38	Zeg9	Why does it need compile?
16:38	RagnarLaud	cause its de-compiled :/
16:38	Zeg9	...
16:38	Zeg9	PM
16:38	RagnarLaud	yay
16:38	PilzAdam	lol
16:38	PilzAdam	de-compiled
16:39	RagnarLaud	what else?
16:39	RagnarLaud	if done = Compiled ; not = De-Compiled
16:39	Zeg9	...
16:39	PilzAdam	you dont have to decompile minetest because you can get the sources for free
16:39	PilzAdam	decompile = get the source from the binary
16:41	celeron55	(which can't be done reasonably for C++)
16:42	PilzAdam	celeron55, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243 will you participate?
16:42	moltenbot	PilzAdam's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
16:43	celeron55	i will at least consult people if they have good questions
16:43	RagnarLaud	PilzAdam
16:44	RagnarLaud	why didnt you say that compiling was that easy?!
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16:44	Zeg9	You were supposed to google I think
16:44	rubenwardy	hi all
16:44	RagnarLaud	ruben1
16:44	RagnarLaud	help me!
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16:47	kaeza	leo_rockway: may I PM?
16:47	kaeza	(if you are here that is)
16:47	rubenwardy	RagnarLaud: mod or website?
16:48	rubenwardy	nm
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16:50	RagnarLaud	hi
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16:50	RagnarLaud	im back
16:50	markveidemanis	Hi!
16:50	RagnarLaud	hi!
16:50	markveidemanis	Is there a simple way to make mods?
16:51	thexyz	yes!
16:51	markveidemanis	Like: choose functions and it does the code
16:51	thexyz	you open vim and you make mods
16:51	thexyz	that simple
16:51	markveidemanis	Vim?
16:51	thexyz	yes, vim
16:51	markveidemanis	Whats that?
16:51	markveidemanis	Google...
16:51	thexyz	!g vim
16:51	Minetest-tan	thexyz: http://www.vim.org/
16:52	markveidemanis	I was just there...
16:52	markveidemanis	so thats the right site.
16:53	markveidemanis	sudo...
16:53	markveidemanis	sudo apt-get install vim
16:53	markveidemanis	Works
16:53	markveidemanis	Zzzzz
16:54	markveidemanis	Bored face?
16:54	Zeg9	markveidemanis: irc isn't bash
16:54	markveidemanis	:-(
16:54	kaeza	vim? lol
16:54	markveidemanis	*Ahem
16:54	markveidemanis	Bash?
16:54	markveidemanis	I know...
16:55	markveidemanis	20s left...
16:55	markveidemanis	52s left
16:55	markveidemanis	now its 8...
16:55	markveidemanis	why?
16:55	markveidemanis	Why the inaccuracy
16:56	markveidemanis	Its not going to get faster is it?
16:56	markveidemanis	So...
16:56	markveidemanis	Who is good at building IRL buildings in minetest
16:56	markveidemanis	Looking for a REALLY GOOD architect
16:56	markveidemanis	.
16:57	markveidemanis	#mt-maps or #mt-servers?
16:58	markveidemanis	Which is closest to srchitecture
16:58	markveidemanis	A*
16:59	RagnarLaud	*Coming Soon* Log In to HVGaming
16:59	kaeza	this is now officialy being turned into a Yahoo chat room :P
16:59	Zeg9	markviedemanis, I know a friend which is good at that but he doesn't wanna play minetest, only minecraft
16:59	Zeg9	kaeza, you forgot *Coming Soon* lol
17:00	markveidemanis	Who is it...i have minecraft!
17:00	markveidemanis	is it john?
17:01	markveidemanis	Can you join #mt-<servers,maps>
17:02	markveidemanis	But dont click on the #---
17:02	markveidemanis	WWell?
17:03	markveidemanis	!!gg  wwwwww.ggooggllee.ccoomm
17:03	markveidemanis	Nth to do
17:03	Zeg9	/poll ban markveidemanis
17:03	Zeg9	that would be good command ^_^
17:03	Zeg9	/poll mute
17:03	Zeg9	Better
17:04	markveidemanis	IT Not Work!
17:04	markveidemanis	Should be Vote
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17:04	markveidemanis	flagserv chan
17:04	Calinou	chanserv flag
17:05	leo_rockway	kaeza: I just saw your message. You may!
17:05	markveidemanis	<I get one line to type!> :@~:@:~@: Who can come on #mt-maps to talk about architecture
17:05	kaeza	Zeg9, /vote yes
17:05	markveidemanis	Whoops
17:05	markveidemanis	Looks smaller in the box
17:06	markveidemanis	\vote F*** NO!
17:06	markveidemanis	== VOTE Unknown command
17:06	Zeg9	"F*** NO!" error parsing message; considering "yes"
17:07	kaeza	O_o
17:08	* Calinou	rolls eyes like a phoronix forums smiley
17:08	Calinou	"when will they improve the nouveau driver and quiet markveidemanis? :rolleyes:"
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17:18	rubenwardy	wtf http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4416
17:18	moltenbot	rubenwardy's link: need help (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:18	rubenwardy	Magic Mushrooms: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3862
17:18	moltenbot	rubenwardy's link: [Mod] Giant Mushroom [12.12] [riesenpilz] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
17:19	rubenwardy	:D
17:19	rubenwardy	lol
17:20	rubenwardy	that guy even spelt his nickname wrong
17:20	rubenwardy	"chase programer"
17:20	rubenwardy	(double m)
17:22	* RagnarLaud	so cold, yet RagnarLaud still hot!
17:24	kaeza	rubenwardy, lol
17:24	rubenwardy	Is anyone else seeing a star before the title of minetest forums?
17:24	rubenwardy	(*)
17:24	kaeza	IIRC he's a 9yr old
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17:24	RagnarLaud	hi NekoGloop
17:24	kaeza	rubenwardy, a star? O.o
17:24	RagnarLaud	nope, ruben
17:24	rubenwardy	assuming its a guy...
17:25	RagnarLaud	rubenwardy, CLEAN YO SCREEN, IT DIRTY!
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17:25	rubenwardy	i must be seeing stars...
17:25	NekoGloop	Can someone please make a proper inventory BG image.
17:26	kaeza	NekoGloop, hi :3
17:26	kaeza	NekoGloop, when will I be able to see the table in action?
17:26	kaeza	:P
17:26	NekoGloop	When i finish it.
17:26	rubenwardy	http://multa.bugs3.com/upload/star_forum.png
17:26	rubenwardy	checked my mail
17:26	rubenwardy	i did
17:26	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=63221#p63221
17:26	moltenbot	PilzAdam's link: [Mod] Falling nodes [1] [falling_items] (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
17:26	kaeza	ah ok
17:27	NekoGloop	No, i hadnt done that.
17:27	* marktraceur	waves
17:27	marktraceur	How's everyone this fine [insert time of day where you are here]
17:28	kaeza	good and you marktraceur ?
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17:28	marktraceur	I'm well! What's the scuttlebutt 'round these parts?
17:29	kaeza	lolwut
17:30		Xenux joined #minetest
17:30	marktraceur	What's the news?
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17:32	kaeza	not much, a new totally flat world by PilzAdam, a few changes in IRC mod, the usual spamming from markv...
17:32	kaeza	:P
17:32	PilzAdam	super flat and super fast mapgen to be precise
17:33	PilzAdam	*a precise pangolin ;-)
17:33	kaeza	lol
17:34	marktraceur	Ah, but markv got muted, so that's good
17:35	NekoGloop	a... what?
17:37	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: where may we get this flat world?
17:37	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4412
17:37	moltenbot	PilzAdam's link: Super Flat Mapgen (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
17:37	marktraceur	NekoGloop: "Precise Pangolin" is a codeword for an Ubuntu GNU/Linux release.
17:37	kaeza	12.04
17:37	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, the windows build is linked in the first post
17:38	NekoGloop	this should be as a special seed.
17:38	NekoGloop	like seed "0" or something
17:38	NekoGloop	;-)
17:38	kaeza	even better: add a flat_mapgen config option ;)
17:38	NekoGloop	yup
17:39	NekoGloop	do eeeet.
17:39	PilzAdam	seed would be better
17:39	PilzAdam	it would be per world
17:39	kaeza	hmm true
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17:40	NekoGloop	one seed for entirely flat; no trees or anything.
17:40	NekoGloop	one seed for flat + trees.
17:40	NekoGloop	does this branch ignore minetest.register_on_generated?
17:40	PilzAdam	nope
17:40	NekoGloop	so there's still ores?
17:40	PilzAdam	ores and junglegrass are generated
17:41	NekoGloop	got it.
17:41	PilzAdam	(as you can read in the first post)
17:41	NekoGloop	Go ahead and make this into a hardcoded seed.
17:41	NekoGloop	;-)
17:42	marktraceur	But this isn't a seed
17:42	marktraceur	It's basically a game
17:42	NekoGloop	*facepalm*
17:42	NekoGloop	can you not understand english or something.
17:43	NekoGloop	OH WAIT.
17:43	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, please stay polite
17:43	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I can, actually. Do you know what "seed" means?
17:43	NekoGloop	I HAVE AN IDEA!
17:43	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: Use the "world options" button!
17:43	NekoGloop	It needs a use.
17:44	PilzAdam	if the mod selection branch gets merged it has a use
17:44	PilzAdam	but there could be selection box at worldgen GUI
17:44	PilzAdam	s/at/in the/
17:45	NekoGloop	whatever.
17:45	NekoGloop	all i know is that we need this.
17:45	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Seriously, I'm asking, do you understand what "seed" means in this context? It's kind of important.
17:46	NekoGloop	A number that is processed by the map generator to create the perlin regions and all that nice stuff.
17:46	NekoGloop	Now shut up.
17:46	marktraceur	thexyz: Bold move :)
17:46	kaeza	PilzAdam, does it generate water or only land?
17:47	PilzAdam	land only
17:47	marktraceur	NekoGloop: My point is that a seed necessarily means that the map will be random. Now, it can be random in different ways (e.g. map height doesn't get taken into effect), but that's on a per-game basis, not a per-seed one.
17:47	NekoGloop	...
17:47	NekoGloop	>hard-coded seed
17:47	NekoGloop	as in, you set the seed to this and it skips all that.
17:48	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I'm saying that makes very little sense, since we already have a concept of a game, which changes the way mapgen works
17:48	dzho	a seed means it's pseudorandom
17:48	NekoGloop	fine
17:48	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Better to change the game if you want to change the rules of mapgen, rather than just the seed.
17:48	dzho	truly random has no seed
17:48	NekoGloop	dont listen to me.
17:48	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I *am* listening to you.
17:49	NekoGloop	after all, I'm not the one who's coding the game
17:49	NekoGloop	I dont matter.
17:49	marktraceur	NekoGloop: You do matter.
17:49	kaeza	dzho, there's no truly random PRNG
17:49	dzho	kaeza: well, then, that's the P in PRNG isn't it?
17:49	kaeza	in fact *nothing* is entirely random
17:50	kaeza	except LM :P
17:50	dzho	to infinite entropy and beyond!
17:50	NekoGloop	I'm gonna sit here letting a map generate then release it for mapmakers.
17:51	kaeza	J/K
17:51	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, will you add "Created by PilzAdam's flat mapgenerator"?
17:51	VanessaE	well, so much for 1024 posts. :-)
17:51	kaeza	o hai V
17:51	NekoGloop	well no shit sherlock.
17:51	NekoGloop	after all, I did none of the work
17:51	VanessaE	hey
17:52	kaeza	+0x400 :P
17:52	marktraceur	NekoGloop: FYI, even if some people around here don't appreciate you, I'm not so negative. I listen to people so long as they're being at least a little bit reasonable. Please don't overreact if I disagree with you, my intent is, 100% of the time, for you to further explain your opinion so I can understand it better.
17:53	NekoGloop	I'm not overreacting
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17:54	NekoGloop	PilzAdam: could you make one that doesnt generate trees?
17:54	Muadtralk	oi anyone know some good high traffic servers that are decent?
17:54	Muadtralk	my list of servers is full of dead ones :)
17:54	NekoGloop	That's like asking if anyone can find a needle in a haystack.
17:54	Muadtralk	yep!
17:54	Muadtralk	anyone have a good one?
17:55	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, it would be possible
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17:55	PilzAdam	you can simply change the mapgen aliases in minetest_game
17:55	Muadtralk	so is finding needles in haystacks
17:55	marktraceur	NekoGloop: When I disagree with you and you say "Never mind, woe is me, nobody likes me", that seems a bit much to me.
17:55	NekoGloop	I only state facts.
17:55	rubenwardy	its like finding hay in a hay stack
17:55	marktraceur	From Criminal Minds: "Actually, a needle would stand out in a haystack. What we're doing is more like trying to find a needle in a big pile of needles" :)
17:56	marktraceur	NekoGloop: I care about what you have to say, so your facts need revising :)
17:57	VanessaE	needle in a haystack?  easy.  really fucking big magnet :-)
17:57	marktraceur	Exactly.
17:57	Zetetic	Bone needle
17:57	kaeza	not if you're a mormon :P
17:57	Zetetic	Mormons are scared of magnets? Or use non-magnetic needles?
17:57	PilzAdam	VanessaE, also: fire
17:58	marktraceur	You could probably come up with an acid-like substance that corrodes hay but not bone, metal, etc.
17:58	VanessaE	that works too
17:58	rubenwardy	could be made of tin
17:58	marktraceur	PilzAdam: You might wind up burning the needle up, too
17:58	rubenwardy	or another non-iron based material
17:58	Zetetic	A wooden needle might be hardest
17:58	Zetetic	Or better yet, one made of some sort of grass
17:58	marktraceur	Ooh, that would be tough.
17:58	PilzAdam	marktraceur, not with fire:basic_flame because rl:needle has not flammable group ;-)
17:59	marktraceur	Zetetic: I can't imagine it would be a very useful needle, though. So I somehow doubt anyone would be looking for it.
17:59	Zetetic	marktraceur: Bamboo could make a usable needle
17:59	marktraceur	Good point.
18:00	marktraceur	But bamboo must be significantly different, in a chemical sense, than hay.
18:00	marktraceur	er, from*
18:00	Zetetic	I'm not sure how much is chemical and how much morphological though, given they are both grass
18:00	Zetetic	I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't know
18:01	VanessaE	fuck it.  easy solution:  burn it all to the ground with the strongest acid and hottest fire and go to the store to buy a new needle :-)
18:01	kaeza	lol
18:01	Zetetic	Ah, but the needle is a MacGuffin
18:01	Zetetic	Or however I should spell that
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18:02	kaeza	hey hohoho
18:02	hohoho	lol hey kaeza
18:03	kaeza	I'm here too MWAHAHAHAHa
18:03	hohoho	I see
18:03	* hohoho	places kitten on NekoGloop's head
18:03	hohoho	sorry had to do it
18:04	hohoho	so how's everything everyone?
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18:04	VanessaE	hi.
18:04	hohoho	hey VanessaE
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18:07	* NekoGloop	purrs
18:10	kaeza	"kaeza  once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean."
18:10	kaeza	lol
18:11	NekoGloop	stop injecting your username into Chuck Norris jokes
18:11	kaeza	NekoGloop, that was moltenbot :)
18:11	NekoGloop	!joke
18:11	NekoGloop	oh, that actually does something
18:11	NekoGloop	"NekoGloop  knows everything there is to know - Except for the definition of mercy."
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18:12	NekoGloop	If that aint wrong as hell idk what is.
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18:13	kaeza	err...PHAIL?  "kaeza  can read from an input stream."
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18:15	Infinity_69	hi!
18:15	kaeza	echo "$CHUCK_NORRIS_JOKE" | sed -e "s/Chuck Norris/$NICKNAME/g"
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18:16	kaeza	hi Infinity_69
18:16	Infinity_69	ok, 1 down
18:16	Infinity_69	hi kaeza
18:16	Infinity_69	its me, Ragnar... o.|
18:16	Infinity_69	dont tell anyone! (0.|
18:17	NakedFury	http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/16du8c/unifying_70_servers_within_a_central_lobby_system/
18:17	moltenbot	NakedFury's link: Unifying 70 Servers within a Central Lobby System. Minecraft MMOs are now possible. (Imgur Album with Details) : Minecraft
18:17	kaeza	ok I won't tell anyone that you are Ragnar ok?
18:17	babyface1031	hi
18:17	Infinity_69	ok!
18:17	Infinity_69	oops, is this the main channel?
18:17	Infinity_69	FFFFUUUUU!!!!!
18:17	kaeza	hey babyface1031
18:17	thexyz	Infinity_69: your joke is bad
18:17	babyface1031	hi kaeza  and yes Infinity_69
18:17	thexyz	you should feel bad
18:18	Infinity_69	sorry thexyz
18:18	Infinity_69	:/
18:18	kaeza	<BuzzLightyear> +q's ... +q's everywhere
18:21	Calinou	kicks... kicks everywhere
18:24	rubenwardy	minetest extensions could learn from this: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/?category=fun
18:24	moltenbot	rubenwardy's link:
18:24	kaeza	I made a simple launcher script for Minetest
18:24	NakedFury	rubenwardy how?
18:25	Zeg9	kaeza, do you mean a launcher that downloads the game?
18:25	rubenwardy	you know, http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
18:25	kaeza	It maintains a server list in a file and you can enter the servers using aliases instead of typing the server IP every time
18:25	RagnarLaud	ruben1
18:25	RagnarLaud	help me!
18:25	RagnarLaud	give me the code again
18:25	RagnarLaud	the one that echo's the account name or something
18:26	NakedFury	you mean a better category system instead of always adding the word MOD for MOD RELEASES?
18:26	kaeza	Zeg9, there's no GUI yet. it's a CLI program
18:26	rubenwardy	$forum_user['username'];
18:26	kaeza	I plan to add a PyGtk gui later
18:26	rubenwardy	NakedFury: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
18:26	kaeza	Zeg9, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/mtlaunch.zip
18:27	RagnarLaud	ok, thanks
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18:27	webdesigner97	hi :)
18:27	RagnarLaud	hi webdesigner
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18:27	RagnarLaud	hey go there
18:27	kaeza	hey webdesigner97
18:27	RagnarLaud	http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/index_new.html
18:27	RagnarLaud	what do you think about the nav bar?
18:27	webdesigner97	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4417
18:27	moltenbot	webdesigner97's link: [Poll] Remote server administration with PHP (Page 1) - Minetest-related projects - Minetest Forums
18:28	kaeza	webdesigner97, +1
18:28	RagnarLaud	yeah :d
18:28	RagnarLaud	kaeza
18:28	webdesigner97	cool :)
18:28	RagnarLaud	what do you think about my nav bar?
18:28	RagnarLaud	thanks
18:28	rubenwardy	+1
18:28	rubenwardy	+1 for php
18:29	rubenwardy	tool
18:29	NakedFury	I like those categories rubenwardy.
18:29	kaeza	webdesigner97, I'm also doing something like that but via IRC
18:29	kaeza	well... not that advanced anyway :P
18:29	webdesigner97	ok, sounds cool :D
18:29	kaeza	it just allows to remotely grant privs for now
18:30	webdesigner97	but i think priv-administration could be hard, cause the file with the privs is hard to parse :D
18:30	kaeza	mine does so at runtime
18:30	Zeg9	webdesigner, do you mean the server accepts http requests ?
18:31	webdesigner97	i just have to parse the file, but i never did something like this....
18:31	Zeg9	or are you going to make a php script that actually connects to server?
18:32	webdesigner97	well, you have to be able to connect to your server with domain or IP. i never did something like this :/
18:33	Zeg9	Implementing the minetest protocol in php will be hard, but that would be great to have this
18:33	webdesigner97	yep....
18:33	webdesigner97	maybe it is possible to install mods from rubens modmanager?
18:33	celeron55	it would be great to make a new protocol on TCP
18:34	webdesigner97	oops mod-foum
18:34	celeron55	but nobody has time
18:34	webdesigner97	*forum
18:34	celeron55	or skills
18:34	webdesigner97	i never worked with protocols :/
18:34	marktraceur	Ain't nobody got time for that.
18:34	Zeg9	celeron55, I was thinking about that too, but it would take some time to be done
18:34	celeron55	(if, on the other hand, somebody has; do it)
18:36	thexyz	aww http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4415
18:36	moltenbot	thexyz's link: [??]MDK [MDK] (Page 1) - Discussion in other languages - Minetest Forums
18:36	thexyz	wtf?
18:36	webdesigner97	O.o
18:37	celeron55	oh japanese *throws through translator*
18:37	thexyz	lol, sure, japanese
18:37	thexyz	> A:Maybe、すぐに Minetest 取得
18:37	thexyz	etc, etc..
18:38	celeron55	i wonder what he's exactly talking about
18:38	thexyz	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4414
18:38	moltenbot	thexyz's link: [Idea] MDK [MDK] (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
18:38	celeron55	minetest development kit? is he doing it or is he asking for it
18:39	PilzAdam	there is an english version of this topic too
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18:41	thexyz	what was the point of posting google-translated version of this topic?
18:42	Zeg9	I'll be back later
18:43	Calinou	asking for it*
18:43	thexyz	hm.. it seems minetest has some japanese users though http://www47.atwiki.jp/vipdentg/pages/167.html
18:43	thexyz	despite having no unicode support
18:44	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbLyYl4YSRA&amp;feature=youtu.be
18:44	moltenbot	harrison's link: Ready Or Not - YouTube
18:44	NekoGloop	most know how to read romanized japanese in addition to kanji characters.
18:45	kaeza	can somebody explain what does he mean by MDK?
18:45	thexyz	minetest development kit
18:45	kaeza	the google translation is too broken for my eyes :/
18:46	NekoGloop	or the other type of japanese annotation which i cannot remember the name of for the life of me.
18:46	VanessaE	shouldn't it have been Minetest SDK then?
18:46	webdesigner97	well, i think it's something you can use to create mods without any lua skills?
18:46	VanessaE	MDK for some reason still brings to mind "mandrake" (nevermind that it hasn't existed as such for years)
18:47	rubenwardy	(6:43:30 PM) thexyz: hm.. it seems minetest has some japanese users though http://www47.atwiki.jp/vipdentg/pages/167.html
18:48	rubenwardy	my website has picked up quite a lot of them
18:48	rubenwardy	3 a weel
18:48	rubenwardy	week
18:48	rubenwardy	(out of 300 that is)
18:48	rubenwardy	380
18:48	thexyz	that's not "a lot"
18:48	webdesigner97	(how many german visitors?) :D
18:49	rubenwardy	20 this week
18:50	rubenwardy	108 americans this week
18:50	webdesigner97	oh, ok :/
18:50	NakedFury	well 3 of zero is a lot
18:50	webdesigner97	thx
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18:50	Infinity_69	hi
18:50	rubenwardy	it is a lot compaired to africa
18:50	Infinity_69	ruben1
18:50	Infinity_69	comment on my website
18:50	Infinity_69	http://hvgaming.bugs3.com
18:50	rubenwardy	12 visits from japan, actually
18:51	NakedFury	ragnar why the name change?
18:51	Infinity_69	cause im in a ghurry
18:51	Infinity_69	and i need to log in...
18:51	Infinity_69	-.-
18:51	Infinity_69	COMMENT :D
18:51	rubenwardy	ragnar, this goes in the <body> not the <head>
18:51	rubenwardy	<img src="http://hvgaming.bugs3.com/style/images/banner.png" width="100%" height="150">
18:51	rubenwardy	<head> is only for <titles> <style> <metadata>, nothing else
18:52	rubenwardy	no stuff that is visible on page
18:52	webdesigner97	i wondered about the same 5 min ago, ruben :D
18:52	Infinity_69	really?
18:52	Infinity_69	oh ok...
18:52	Infinity_69	Y U LOOKING @ MY SOURCE CODE?!
18:52	rubenwardy	because i can
18:52	PilzAdam	because everyone can
18:53	webdesigner97	:P
18:53	VanessaE	because that's how HTML is supposed to be done.
18:53	PilzAdam	and its not called source code
18:53	VanessaE	and it isn't "source code:
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18:53	rubenwardy	(you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:53	VanessaE	it's "markup".
18:53	Calinou	<rubenwardy> (you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:53	Calinou	even IE accepts that
18:53	Calinou	we're in 2013...
18:53	VanessaE	Calinou: the w3c would clobber you for that assertion :-)
18:54	rubenwardy	ragnar: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fhvgaming.bugs3.com%2F&amp;charset=%28detect+automatically%29&amp;doctype=Inline&amp;group=0
18:54	FreeFull	Only because browsers accept something doesn't mean it's a good idea
18:54	FreeFull	That already got us into a mighty mess before
18:54	webdesigner97	and the <script> should be in <head>
18:54	Infinity_69	SO WHAT?!
18:54	Infinity_69	[20:53] <rubenwardy> (you also have no </body> and </html> end tags)
18:54	Infinity_69	SO WHAT*
18:54	Infinity_69	:d
18:54	rubenwardy	the <script> is added by the server
18:54	VanessaE	Infinity_69: run all of your HTML through this service before publishing, please.  http://validator.w3.org/
18:54	VanessaE	make your code standard-compliant.
18:55	Infinity_69	oh screw you... >:/
18:55	Infinity_69	xD
18:55	rubenwardy	celeron55! http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=minetest.net&amp;charset=%28detect+automatically%29&amp;doctype=Inline&amp;group=0&amp;user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
18:55	kaeza	Infinity_69, if you want help, at least take note of the suggestions
18:55	Infinity_69	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffacebook.com&amp;charset=%28detect+automatically%29&amp;doctype=Inline&amp;group=0&amp;user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
18:55	Infinity_69	LOOK AT THIS
18:55	Infinity_69	Dont you DARE judge me -.-
18:55	rubenwardy	we are not judging you
18:56	VanessaE	Infinity_69: w3c is who makes the HTML standard.
18:56	VanessaE	if they say it's wrong, IT'S WRONG.
18:56	Infinity_69	FACEBOOK IS MORE WRONG!
18:56	webdesigner97	-.-
18:56	VanessaE	probablyu
18:56	Infinity_69	IT HAS 28 ERRORS
18:56	Infinity_69	:d
18:56	webdesigner97	you are not facebook
18:56	VanessaE	but that doesn't mean you have to be equally wrong.
18:56	Infinity_69	STILL
18:56	VanessaE	it means facebook needs to be more RIGHT.
18:57	Infinity_69	im 13, Zuckleberg is 20-30 something
18:57	Infinity_69	yeah
18:57	VanessaE	so?
18:57	VanessaE	I started coding when I was 12.
18:57	Infinity_69	zuckleberg is an idiot xD
18:57	Infinity_69	i started @ 8!
18:57	Infinity_69	html
18:57	Infinity_69	:D
18:57	kaeza	I started at 5
18:57	VanessaE	writing in HTML is not coding. :-)
18:57	Infinity_69	AS2/AS3 @ 10
18:57	Infinity_69	beat that!
18:58	rubenwardy	starting younger does not make you a better coder
18:58	kaeza	ActionScript? meh
18:58	webdesigner97	I started with PHP when i was 11
18:58	webdesigner97	oh, no sry, 12
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18:58	rubenwardy	webdesigner97: me @ 11
18:58	VanessaE	Infinity_69: perhaps I should qualify that:  started at 12 and have been coding for 26 years since then.
18:58	Infinity_69	ok :d
18:59	kaeza	VanessaE said her age!!
18:59	Infinity_69	:d
18:59	Infinity_69	</publish>
18:59	Infinity_69	xD
18:59	webdesigner97	and I'm working with lua for, let's say 4 months now :D
18:59	VanessaE	when I started, HTML didn't exist yet.
18:59	webdesigner97	:O
18:59	webdesigner97	wow
18:59	VanessaE	(it came about some 4 years later)
18:59	* hohoho	sneaks closer to the conversing humans =(o_o)=
19:00	VanessaE	kaeza: yep.  I'm old. :-)
19:00	Infinity_69	LAWL
19:00	Infinity_69	VanessaE, how old?
19:00	VanessaE	38.
19:00	Infinity_69	o.o
19:00	Infinity_69	my dad is 39 :d
19:00	Infinity_69	wanna date him?
19:00	Infinity_69	:d
19:00	hohoho	I made my first webpage in 2001
19:00	thexyz	wtf
19:00	kaeza	O_o
19:01	VanessaE	no.  I'm married.
19:01	Infinity_69	oh...
19:01	Infinity_69	well he isnt
19:01	Infinity_69	xD
19:01	kaeza	and I'm 24 so no
19:01	Infinity_69	well im 13 :D
19:01	* hohoho	refuses to mention his age
19:01	webdesigner97	I'm 15 now
19:01	VanessaE	So, now that we've established that I'm not full of shit:  Go run your HTML through the validator, fix it, then publish, and let facebook et.al be damned.
19:01	* hohoho	notes kaeza knows my age
19:02	Infinity_69	how do i define a character encoding thing?
19:02	Infinity_69	<???>
19:02	VanessaE	look it up. :-)
19:02	* kaeza	has no memory of that
19:02	webdesigner97	:P
19:02	Infinity_69	i hate you... 0.0
19:02	kaeza	:P
19:02	webdesigner97	:(
19:02	Infinity_69	hey WD97!
19:02	* hohoho	looks at kaeza.. good
19:02	rubenwardy	I'm 15 now
19:02	Infinity_69	help me!
19:02	Infinity_69	ruben help me!
19:02	Infinity_69	how do i define a character encoding thing?
19:02	Infinity_69	UTF-8
19:03	Infinity_69	<???>
19:03	thexyz	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
19:03	Infinity_69	thanks :D
19:03	thexyz	or configure your webserver
19:03	Infinity_69	2 Errors, 1 warning(s)
19:03	Infinity_69	:D
19:03	Infinity_69	FAST AS HELL
19:03	hohoho	print "Hello World"
19:03	* hohoho	don't listen to me
19:04	rubenwardy	what every you do, don't type "Google" into Google, you will break the internet!
19:04	webdesigner97	isn't a <meta> closed like <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />?
19:04	webdesigner97	just want to know :D
19:05	Infinity_69	how dafuq?
19:05	Infinity_69	why do i have 14 errors?
19:05	webdesigner97	<script> after </html>
19:05	webdesigner97	o.O
19:05	Infinity_69	1 ERROR >:D
19:06	Infinity_69	fuck it >:/
19:06	Minetest-tan	GIT: doserj (Jürgen Doser) commited to celeron55/minetest: fixes node timer bug (fixes #407). 076f13cc01 2013-01-11T09:59:27-08:00 http://git.io/I1BbnA
19:06	Infinity_69	cant fix them
19:06	Infinity_69	idk how...
19:06	Infinity_69	:/
19:06	webdesigner97	put your meta inside <head></head>
19:07	Infinity_69	ok :/
19:07	webdesigner97	and all <scripts>
19:07	webdesigner97	*<script>
19:07	Infinity_69	OH I GIVE UP >:/
19:08	webdesigner97	omg, are you crazy?!
19:08	Infinity_69	1 ERROR TO 13 ERRORS
19:08	Infinity_69	WTF
19:08	webdesigner97	<php require_once('/include/php/login.php') ?>
19:08	webdesigner97	in download
19:08	VanessaE	rubenwardy: Yo, dawg... I heard you like search engines, so I put a Yahoo into your Google so you can search while you search.
19:08	VanessaE	(ow.)
19:08	webdesigner97	*minetest
19:08	Infinity_69	xD
19:08	rubenwardy	Kaeza: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/help/tags.php
19:08	moltenbot	rubenwardy's link: Tags - Help - Minetest Extensions
19:08	Infinity_69	"They gave on a horse back to the ghetto...:
19:08	webdesigner97	so since when do we start a php script with <php ?!
19:09	kaeza	rubenwardy, extended tags?
19:09	VanessaE	also please do not use javascript, flash, java, or any other language if you don't truly need it.  Just fyi.
19:09	VanessaE	pet peeve ^^^^^^^
19:09	kaeza	rubenwardy, BTW one suggestion: use "tex" as abbrev for texture; "txt" is commonly used as abbrev of "text"
19:10	Zetetic	And you never need Flash
19:10	VanessaE	Zetetic: exactly.
19:10	VanessaE	flash is overrated, insecure, slow, and not available on all platforms in a reliable fashion
19:10	thexyz	Zetetic: no, you do
19:10	marktraceur	VanessaE: Well, that ruins my best app ever. I run all of the server requests through an XP machine running the webserver in a Flash applet, routed there by a Node server, and use GWT (Java) for the frontend code.
19:10	Zetetic	No, you don't :p
19:10	thexyz	how about streaming 4k video?
19:10	Infinity_69	somebody help me clear the errors :/
19:10	Zetetic	4k?
19:11	thexyz	https://plus.google.com/109378722004400250087/posts/ZKDtXSHCTFM
19:11	moltenbot	thexyz's link: Gerd Hilgemann - Google+ - i finshed a real 4k (3840x2160) streaming demo, made with...
19:11	* hohoho	includes a javascript laden page for VanessaEs enjoyment
19:11	Zetetic	<video>?
19:11	VanessaE	marktraceur: you make Tim Berners-Lee cry. :-)
19:11	thexyz	nope!
19:11	Infinity_69	OR ELSE ILL GIVE UP >:o
19:11	marktraceur	VanessaE: Indirectly, that's true
19:11	hohoho	I side with VanessaE when it comes to javascript and similar
19:11	Infinity_69	The link attribute on the body element is obsolete
19:11	Infinity_69	WTF
19:11	hohoho	K.I.S.S.
19:11	Infinity_69	Kick Indie's Shitty Shit
19:11	Infinity_69	?
19:12	webdesigner97	you should just read html tutorials -.-
19:12	Infinity_69	NO
19:12	thexyz	almost
19:12	Infinity_69	Kick Indias Shitty Shit
19:12	Infinity_69	:D
19:12	webdesigner97	http://html.net
19:12	moltenbot	webdesigner97's link: Free tutorials on HTML, CSS and PHP - Build your own website - HTML.net
19:12	thexyz	keep it simple, stupid
19:12		Infinity_69 was kicked by VanessaE: kick infinity's stupid shit.
19:12	Zetetic	I still don't see the appeal of PHP
19:12	rubenwardy	http://pastebin.com/0S2KgVWY
19:12	VanessaE	:)
19:12	moltenbot	rubenwardy's link: [HTML] Ragner Website - Pastebin.com
19:12	rubenwardy	see the css there
19:12	kaeza	^_^
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19:12	Infinity_69	oh... >:o
19:13	rubenwardy	a {  ...   }
19:13	kaeza	rubenwardy, external CSS plz :)
19:13	Infinity_69	so thats the game were gonna play, arent we? >:o
19:13	kaeza	woops
19:13	NakedFury	keep it civil, pg language
19:13	thexyz	php is evil, AVOID
19:13	kaeza	Infinity_69, ^^
19:13	rubenwardy	#leftMenu > details{      ???
19:13	rubenwardy	what is the >
19:13	Infinity_69	K.K.S.S
19:13	thexyz	rubenwardy: read css specs
19:13	Infinity_69	its the navBar
19:14	Zetetic	Should be using Lisp for HTML generation really
19:14	* Zetetic	wanders off
19:14	rubenwardy	i only ever use #leftMenu details{
19:14	kaeza	LISP???
19:14	Infinity_69	?
19:14	Infinity_69	oh, and i didnt put those spaces...
19:14	VanessaE	you wanna see proper use of HTML, CSS, and Javascript for what they should be used for?  look at my website.  Yeah, it looks like a reject from 1995, but that doesn't mean the code isn't any good.  My web design skills just suck.
19:14	Infinity_69	they come with the net2ftp
19:14	thexyz	rubenwardy: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html section 5.6
19:14	moltenbot	thexyz's link: Selectors
19:14	thexyz	lisp!
19:15	rubenwardy	> only works for first child, then?
19:16	Infinity_69	how do i define alink, vlink & link in CSS?
19:16	webdesigner97	a:hover
19:16	webdesigner97	a:visited
19:16	Infinity_69	???
19:16	webdesigner97	a:link
19:16	Infinity_69	oh
19:16	marktraceur	a:active
19:16	Infinity_69	thanks
19:16	webdesigner97	and active, yep. thx
19:16	rubenwardy	do you want them all to be the same color?
19:16	marktraceur	Or maybe it's click?
19:16	webdesigner97	ok, gtg now. bye :)
19:16	Infinity_69	Stray end tag html.
19:17	Infinity_69	what?
19:17	kaeza	bye
19:17	rubenwardy	if so then use
19:17	rubenwardy	a {
19:17	rubenwardy	color: #FFFFFF;
19:17	rubenwardy	}
19:17	webdesigner97	no it's a:active
19:17	hohoho	vanessae.. site link?
19:18	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/index-van.html
19:18	VanessaE	(I still need to weed out the links for the dead storefront)
19:18	Infinity_69	hey!
19:18	hohoho	..Yeah, it looks like a reject from 1995...
19:19	Infinity_69	Stray end tag html.
19:19	Infinity_69	what does it mean?
19:19	VanessaE	hohoho: I warned you. :-)
19:19	hohoho	looks good to me vanessae
19:19	hohoho	I like "simple"
19:19	hohoho	I kinda miss the old style sites
19:19	hohoho	lol
19:19	Infinity_69	ruben
19:19	Infinity_69	Stray end tag html.
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19:19	Infinity_69	what?
19:19	rubenwardy	urgh...  times new roman
19:19	Infinity_69	???
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19:20	rubenwardy	Infinity_69: it is because serversfree adds a script to the bottom the page
19:20	rubenwardy	add
19:20	VanessaE	rubenwardy: actually I believe the font face is not set.
19:20	Infinity_69	oh
19:20	VanessaE	so whatever your browser uses by default/
19:20	Infinity_69	so i cant help it?
19:20	rubenwardy	<?php
19:20	rubenwardy	die("");
19:20	rubenwardy	?>
19:20	rubenwardy	to the bottom of the page
19:21	rubenwardy	and php or html below die(""); will not be run
19:33	mauvebic	tax dollars at work: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fed-agency-retracts-reprimand-flatulent-worker lol
19:33	moltenbot	mauvebic's link: Fed agency retracts reprimand to flatulent worker
19:33	hohoho	lol
19:33	rubenwardy	I hate it when mod makers do not use github or similar sites
19:34	hohoho	why not rubenwardy?
19:34	mauvebic	when they do a version in plain french or english ill use it :p
19:34	hohoho	I meant why do you hate it when a mod developer doesn't use a site like github?
19:35	* hohoho	doesn't use github for his mods and has no current reason to
19:35	* marktraceur	uses gitorious, presumably that counts as "similar sites"
19:35	Calinou	github ftw (minus the proprietary side)
19:35	* kaeza	likes cake
19:35	hohoho	gitorious sounds dirty
19:35	kaeza	</random>
19:37	hohoho	I presume github like sites may be useful if a mod is developed by multiple users
19:37	hohoho	otherwise seems overkill to me
19:38	mauvebic	people tend to contribute more for the engine and fork for mods
19:38	marktraceur	hohoho: It's also useful to provide history and nice-ish documentation
19:39	mauvebic	well even minetest has a readme file like any other archive
19:39	hohoho	marktraceur I thought that's what README and VERSION files were for
19:39	hohoho	lol
19:39	Calinou	hohoho: that keeps history of the mod, and wiki, and issue tracker
19:39	marktraceur	hohoho: Not to mention the ability to work on multiple things at once without too much disk space
19:39	Calinou	and easier updates (useful for server owners)
19:40	Infinity_69	Calinou, http://hvgaming.bugs3.com
19:40	Infinity_69	what do you think?
19:40	thexyz	buy me new eyes
19:40	mauvebic	might be simpler if we didn't have matching mod threads with simultaneous bug reports coming from there lol
19:40	mauvebic	and maintaining the habit of updating both at the same time lol
19:41	sfan5	Calinou: what did you mean with "Spotted" yesterday?
19:41	thexyz	Infinity_69: your menu is not semantic enough
19:42	rubenwardy	(7:37:15 PM) hohoho: I presume github like sites may be useful if a mod is developed by multiple users
19:42	rubenwardy	download is much more efficant
19:42	Infinity_69	semathic?
19:42	rubenwardy	efficent
19:42	thexyz	menus are usually made with <ul> <li> tags
19:42	Infinity_69	so?!
19:42	Infinity_69	this isnt
19:42	Infinity_69	ANd
19:42	Infinity_69	i learned this from Adam Khoury
19:42	Infinity_69	you are NOT better than him </brotha>
19:42	Calinou	sfan5: on minecraft wiki
19:43	sfan5	what did you spot?
19:43	Infinity_69	7 Errors, 4 warning(s)
19:43	Infinity_69	ruben!
19:43	Calinou	sfan5: you
19:43	Infinity_69	EARLIER THERE WERE 4 ERRORS!
19:43	rubenwardy	it is better
19:43	Calinou	you made an activator rail GIF
19:43	Calinou	validator is so 2010
19:43	Calinou	real men use real browsers
19:43	Calinou	real_browsers = "chromium",
19:43	thexyz	real men use XHTML
19:43	sfan5	Calinou: ik I'm relatively active on mcwiki
19:43	Infinity_69	i use Chromium!
19:44	Infinity_69	:')
19:44	Infinity_69	He's Dead, Jim!
19:44	sfan5	Calinou: you can also find sfan5 on steam
19:44	thexyz	like irc.minetest.ru does
19:44	Calinou	XHTML is stricter for no reason, and it's dead now
19:44	sfan5	thexyz: \o/
19:44	Calinou	HTML5 killed it
19:44	Infinity_69	:D
19:45	Infinity_69	WAIT NO
19:45	Infinity_69	MY WEBSITE USES HTML5 AND IT DOESNT KILL IT
19:45	Infinity_69	>:o
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19:45	rubenwardy	HTML5 made XHTML obsolete
19:45	Infinity_69	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmulta.bugs3.com%2F&amp;charset=%28detect+automatically%29&amp;doctype=Inline&amp;group=0&amp;user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
19:45	Infinity_69	RUBEN!
19:45	Infinity_69	LOOK
19:45	Infinity_69	xD
19:45	Calinou	because real browsers now exist
19:45	rubenwardy	(unnecessary)
19:46	rubenwardy	that is a generated website
19:46	Infinity_69	(TOTALLY necessary)
19:46	Infinity_69	so?!
19:46	Infinity_69	WAIT WHAT >D
19:46	Infinity_69	I DO MINE IN HTML WITH NOTEPAD++
19:46	Infinity_69	xD
19:46	Calinou	notepad++--
19:46	Infinity_69	YOU, Rubenwardy, ARE N00B
19:46	rubenwardy	obsolete =  (unnecessary)
19:46	Calinou	that's for windows...
19:46	rubenwardy	(hypocryte)
19:46	Infinity_69	i use wine
19:46	thexyz	TOO MUCH CAPS
19:46	Calinou	lol?
19:46	Infinity_69	i know :D
19:46	Calinou	you're using wine for a text editor?
19:47	rubenwardy	I used this to make it: http://www.serif.com/webplus/
19:47	Calinou	why not use a native program like geany
19:47	Infinity_69	yes :)
19:47	thexyz	Calinou: some people *do* use np++ via wine
19:47	rubenwardy	before I learnt how to make "real" websites
19:47	thexyz	or vim
19:47	thexyz	or emacs
19:47	Calinou	or nano
19:47	thexyz	or ed
19:47	rubenwardy	that website is like 3 years old
19:47	Calinou	or cat
19:47	thexyz	or butterflies
19:47	kaeza	lol cat
19:47	Calinou	or dd
19:47	Infinity_69	cause NP++ isnt my only wine program
19:47	Infinity_69	Cstrike 1.6 too
19:47	Infinity_69	:)
19:47	kaeza	CS 1.6?
19:47	Calinou	lolCS
19:47	kaeza	meh
19:47	Infinity_69	and MacroMedia Flash MX 2004
19:47	thexyz	http://xkcd.com/378/
19:47	moltenbot	thexyz's link: xkcd: Real Programmers
19:48	Calinou	both CS 1.6 and CSS suck
19:48	Infinity_69	NO
19:48	Infinity_69	ok kinda do...
19:48	Infinity_69	CS:GO FTW
19:48	ruskie	lol
19:48	Infinity_69	:')
19:48	thexyz	cascading style sheets does not suck
19:48	Infinity_69	gMod FTW2
19:48	Infinity_69	:d
19:48	ruskie	ftl ftw
19:48	Infinity_69	ftl?
19:48	Infinity_69	FUCK IE(
19:48	Infinity_69	IE9*(
19:48	Calinou	CS:GO still has cheaters and is paid and proprietary :P
19:49	Infinity_69	so?1
19:49	Calinou	real men play FOSS games, support them
19:49	Infinity_69	NOPE!
19:49	thexyz	real men do not play games
19:49	ruskie	they make them
19:49	Infinity_69	i can cheat on MineTest with CHEAT ENGINE!
19:49	thexyz	admit it
19:50	Infinity_69	0.1% security?
19:50	Calinou	just edit the source code, cheat engine is for employees of corporations that make RAM
19:50	ruskie	Infinity_69, as for FTL look it up
19:50	kaeza	real men were real men, until Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked 'em
19:50	Infinity_69	!g ftl
19:50	Minetest-tan	Infinity_69: http://www.ftlgame.com/
19:50	STHGOM	can there be a player_sparky.blend for 4.4?
19:51	kaeza	npe
19:51	kaeza	nope*
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19:54	Zeg9	Hi !
19:54	kaeza	hey
19:55	STHGOM	hi zeg
19:56	rubenwardy	can someone give me a link to a free code editor for windows? (I have context, but its tabs are weird, and does not support LUA)
19:56	rubenwardy	(for HTML, LUA, PHP, CSS, JS)
19:56	rubenwardy	LUA Syntax
19:56	rubenwardy	ing
19:56	Zetetic	Emacs
19:56	Zetetic	Probably has support for all that stuff
19:56	kaeza	rubenwardy, Geany
19:56	NakedFury	geany, notepad++
19:56	kaeza	or jEdit ;)
19:56	thexyz	rubenwardy: vim
19:57	Zetetic	john_minetest: I'm using Emacs on Windows right now
19:57	kaeza	screw vim
19:57	kizeren	kwrite
19:57	kaeza	copy con file.lua ^_^
19:58	thexyz	kaeza: ?
19:58	kaeza	thexyz, Win version of cat
19:58	thexyz	kaeza: no, >screw vim
19:58	kaeza	s/Win/cmd.exe/
19:58	kaeza	I don't like it
19:58	thexyz	why?
19:59	kaeza	bad experiences, mostly locking my comp
19:59	thexyz	btw, rubenwardy, try this one http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/
19:59	moltenbot	thexyz's link: PHP IDE :: JetBrains PhpStorm
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19:59	thexyz	if you want an IDE
20:00	* Jordach	is back from playing Dead Rising 2
20:01	rubenwardy	does phpstorm do html, and other stuff?
20:02	thexyz	aww, open that page
20:02	thexyz	>Note: PhpStorm includes all the functionality of WebStorm (HTML/CSS Editor, JavaScript Editor) and adds full-fledged support for PHP
20:02	thexyz	well, I personally have never used that one
20:02	rubenwardy	I download it
20:02	thexyz	but pycharm is nice
20:03	rubenwardy	gtg
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20:04	kaeza	rubenwardy, or use LuaIDE on Wine
20:04	kaeza	oh
20:04	kaeza	gone
20:05	kaeza	oh wait, he was using win
20:05	kaeza	so nvm
20:05	* Jordach	notices that the middle mouse button is dying on this mouse
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20:06	STHGOM	hello
20:06	PilzAdam	does the button loose its functionality or have you added a function to MT that kills you when middleclick?
20:07	kosnick	hey guys, first time in minetest, do i need to register somewhere for the servers mentioned in http://servers.minetest.ru  ??
20:07	PilzAdam	kosnick, no
20:07	kosnick	any reason i cant "get in"?
20:08	PilzAdam	what server do you try?
20:08	kosnick	minetest.ru , i am answered "your clients version is not supported"
20:09	PilzAdam	what version of Minetest do you use
20:09	kosnick	thats why
20:09	kosnick	the one ubuntu has, PROTOCOL_VERSION 3
20:09	PilzAdam	(it is written in the upper right corner)
20:09	kaeza	nonono
20:09	PilzAdam	*left
20:10	thexyz	kosnick: minetest.ru uses fairly old version of minetest
20:10	PilzAdam	the ubuntu version is heavily outdated
20:10	thexyz	02fb912a955c9e5baa86ecd4206eefaa88f3e60a, that is
20:10	kaeza	somebody has to tell whoever maintains the ubuntu package to update it
20:10	kosnick	nope, there is no version number on the upper left corner, or i can't see it
20:10	thexyz	kosnick: http://minetest.ru/blog/68.html
20:10	moltenbot	thexyz's link: ??? ?????? ?????? / Blog by xyz / ??????? ?????? Minetest
20:11	thexyz	awesome, moltenbot
20:11	PilzAdam	the version in the ubuntu repos is 0.3.1 and we currently have 0.4.4
20:11	kosnick	is there any server compatible with my version? i would like to try minetest
20:11	thexyz	I think that no
20:11	PilzAdam	you can start a singleplayer game
20:11	kaeza	kosnick, why not update?
20:11	thexyz	nobody uses 0.3.x
20:12	Zeg9	kosnick, you should use the ppa if you don't want to compile
20:12	PilzAdam	(leave adress field empty)
20:12	kosnick	but in singleplayer, are there "enemies" or whatever?
20:12	thexyz	kosnick: no
20:12	kaeza	yes
20:12	thexyz	(in 0.4.x)
20:12	PilzAdam	kosnick, yes
20:12	NakedFury	updating to the newest version is your best option right now kosnick
20:12	NakedFury	no enemies or monsters yet
20:12	kosnick	haha , yes i guess it s the best option
20:12	PilzAdam	in 0.3 there are mobs
20:13	Zeg9	kosnick: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
20:13	moltenbot	Zeg9's link: Packages in "Stable Releases" : Stable Releases : Code : "Minetest Developers" team
20:13	kosnick	ok, thank you all for your time bye
20:13	PilzAdam	I have to say that compiling is extremly easy
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20:23	sapier	celeron is there any chance a option enabling entities to automatic face movement direction is added?
20:27	STHGOM	bye for now
20:31	kaeza	WTF is this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4408
20:31	moltenbot	kaeza's link: [Indie] Indie Development Company - Indie Force [Submit] (Page 1) - Offtopic - Minetest Forums
20:32	marktraceur	It appears to be a forum post
20:33	kaeza	thanks marktraceur for pointing the obvious lol
20:33	marktraceur	You're welcome!
20:33	kaeza	:P
20:34	kaeza	marktraceur, BTW, may I have your opinion on this? https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/doc/API.txt
20:34	moltenbot	kaeza's link: minetest-irc/doc/API.txt at master ? kaeza/minetest-irc ? GitHub
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20:34	marktraceur	Good stuff
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20:38	kaeza	the basic idea is for other mods to be able to send messages to IRC. for example, the protector mod could say "User johndoe1234 tried to remove a block at (X,Y,Z)"
20:38	kaeza	and send it to the admin
20:39	marktraceur	Good plan
20:39	marktraceur	"User marktraceur purchased 30 default:gold_ingot at (X,Y,Z)"
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20:40	marktraceur	kaeza: I like it!
20:41	kaeza	thx :)
20:41	kaeza	but I think more useful would be the remote admin interface
20:44	marktraceur	Yup
20:44	marktraceur	I still need to get that installed
20:44	NakedFury	how would that work?
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20:45	kaeza	NakedFury, ability to grant/remove privs via bot commands
20:46	NakedFury	inside game or outside?
20:46	marktraceur	From IRC
20:46	marktraceur	It would be very helpful for me especially, I run a server that requires people to ask for interact, and I can't do it without logging in right now
20:46	NakedFury	I would like time based priviledges and possibly granting priviledges from signs or special blocks.
20:46	marktraceur	Doing it from IRC is sooooo much better
20:47	marktraceur	NakedFury: Complete a maze to get interact privileges? :)
20:47	NakedFury	extreme but good example
20:48	marktraceur	Maybe a really rare block that gives you fly for a limited time?
20:48	NakedFury	timed priviledges would be for that
20:48	NakedFury	a player is doing a really good building that is high so you grant him some flying time
20:48	marktraceur	*nod*
20:48	marktraceur	Good plan.
20:49	NakedFury	could be real time or game time
20:51	NakedFury	then making a tutorial area and at the end including a sign saying right click or punch for interact
20:51	marktraceur	Reminder: In one week, a documentation sprint will happen in #minetest-doc. We'll be trying to lower the barrier for entry to core development, and any help would be appreciated. http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4243 has the details.
20:51	moltenbot	marktraceur's link: Documentation sprint, 2013-01-19, in #minetest-doc (Page 1) - Unofficial engine development - Minetest Forums
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20:53	NakedFury	waiting for it
20:53	mauvebic	sweet, from over 2K lines to 1500, finally getting somewhere lol
20:54	NakedFury	in what?
20:54	mauvebic	mbbase
20:54	mauvebic	its got all my helper functions for every other mod i write lol
20:55	mauvebic	was also taking forever to download/loadgame lately
20:56	NakedFury	do you have different permissions on the guns mod?
20:57	mauvebic	they're all locked to server priv now :-)
20:57	mauvebic	until i can upgrade to a version that doesnt have the attach bug, id rather not multiple users use terrain guns at the same time lol
20:58	Jordach	hehehehe
20:58	Jordach	is the server open atm?
20:58	mauvebic	wrong port lemme restart
20:58	Jordach	!up mauvebic.strangled.net
20:58	moltenbot	Minetest server mauvebic.strangled.net:30000 DOWN
20:58	Minetest-tan	Jordach: mauvebic.strangled.net seems to be down
20:59	Jordach	mauvebic, cheers
21:00	* Jordach	noticed that four torrents downloading at 500kb each are faster than minetest's method...
21:01	Jordach	..and stuck at waiting content...bitch
21:02	mauvebic	there's gotta be a simple way to compress/decompress media on the server/client side
21:02	Jordach	use zlib properly :P
21:02	mauvebic	dont tell me that, im not the cpp guru lol
21:04	Jordach	huh
21:04	Jordach	the media is going much faster now
21:04	mauvebic	i did some spring cleaning yesterday
21:04	Jordach	sweet
21:04	kaeza	mauvebic, PNG files are already compressed
21:04	mauvebic	lots of retired textures still hanging around in the textures folders
21:04	Jordach	mauvebic, kill them with fire
21:04	mauvebic	old sound clips too lol
21:05	kaeza	there wouldn't be much gain in recompressing them
21:06	mauvebic	yeah i know the players are oversized in the ships lol
21:07	mauvebic	it seems like player attach makes the player adopt the visual scale of the intentity, dont know if bug or intentional
21:09	Jordach	and there you have it: http://imgur.com/a/a1N48
21:09	moltenbot	Jordach's link:             Photo Album - Imgur
21:10	NakedFury	someone else would say what that looks like
21:10	NakedFury	but not me
21:10	mauvebic	lol
21:10	mauvebic	its abit low
21:10	mauvebic	but is that a bug?
21:11	NakedFury	maybe
21:11	NakedFury	yeah I would think so
21:12	mauvebic	3rd one i find this month :p
21:12	NakedFury	keep finding them. all the ones I experience are documented already
21:12	mauvebic	rba fixed the first so i didn't have to file anything
21:12	VanessaE	there.  now my site has a half-ass section for Minetest :-)
21:13	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest.html
21:13	Jordach	half-assed*
21:13	VanessaE	no, see, it's so half-ass that even "assed" is too much :-)
21:14	* Jordach	pats VanessaE on the back with a: bad joke
21:15	NekoGloop	meow
21:15	Jordach	i should really wire my rock band guitar into my pc and play midi tunes!
21:15	thexyz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAV86OXCAAAEfhk.png
21:16	thexyz	NekoGloop: ^
21:16	jojoa1997	is this how i make a new group
21:16	jojoa1997	minetest.register_group({spleef})
21:17	Jordach	hey OldCoder
21:17	thexyz	jojoa1997: read api docs
21:18	PilzAdam	jojoa1997, no
21:18	jojoa1997	i did and ok
21:18	jojoa1997	thexyz:i did
21:18	jojoa1997	pilzadam:ok
21:19	mauvebic	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/419
21:19	moltenbot	mauvebic's link: 3d player visual_scale changes on attach, uses the entity's visual_scale ? Issue #419 ? celeron55/minetest ? GitHub
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21:25	Oblivion1500	Hello everyone
21:25	kaeza	hi
21:26	Oblivion1500	can someone help me with github, i made a repo but its not showing up on github... its saying its there and i did a comit and it says its there in the application but its not on the website
21:26	kaeza	did you push?
21:27	Oblivion1500	explain how i would do that?
21:27	kaeza	git push
21:27	kaeza	after git commit
21:27	PilzAdam	Oblivion1500, http://git-scm.com/book
21:27	moltenbot	PilzAdam's link: Git - Book
21:29	Oblivion1500	oh damn that was easy
21:29	Oblivion1500	thanks
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21:29	hohoho	yea Oblivion1500 seems git is fairly easy once you get a grasp of how it works
21:29	* hohoho	has been tinkering with git last hour
21:30	hohoho	prior to such I was a total git n00b
21:30	PilzAdam	git is a powerfull tool wich makes it easy to handle multiple branches
21:31	mauvebic	nakedfury ill be updating terrain guns today too, gonna add all the shapes
21:31	mauvebic	http://i.imgflip.com/1bh9.jpg
21:31	NakedFury	eggcelent news
21:32	mauvebic	actually im splitting off shapes from multinode as a seperate lib to be used by both mods and others
21:32	mauvebic	(by nc)
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21:33	jojoa1997_	where is the application in the current github
21:33	jojoa1997_	for minetest
21:34	mauvebic	?
21:34	jojoa1997_	it used to be in the bin folder
21:34	mauvebic	inquiry not recognised, please restate command
21:34	NakedFury	having them in a separate libraby better?
21:34	PilzAdam	the github repo only contains the sourcecode
21:34	PilzAdam	^ jojoa1997_
21:34	jojoa1997_	how do i start minetest with the current version(github version)
21:35	PilzAdam	you need to compile it yourself
21:35	PilzAdam	(see README)
21:35	mauvebic	nakedfury yeah because i dont have to write 1x each mod
21:36	mauvebic	and the shapes will be easily usable by any mod for a variety of purposes
21:36	mauvebic	my asteroidgen, among others
21:37	NakedFury	would that also make it faster?
21:37	mauvebic	yeah because i dont have seperate copies ofthe same functions loading in multinode, then terrain guns, then asteroid gen lol
21:38	mauvebic	like pilzadam's flat mapgen, will come in handy with the guns
21:39	NakedFury	can a water level raising mod be made?
21:39	NakedFury	with commands, could help for water world mod
21:40	mauvebic	i have a water equalization chat command that works at y<=0
21:40	mauvebic	to raise the water level ill use the code jordach sent me so that its done on mapgen and not after
21:43	hohoho	mauvebic.. are you the one who did the mod here? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1644
21:43	moltenbot	hohoho's link: A real, universal replicator [0.12] [new industrial model] (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
21:43	mauvebic	i wrote that mod when the horseless carriage was becoming popular yes
21:44	hohoho	lol what's the license?
21:44	mauvebic	that old crap? wtfpl lol
21:44	hohoho	k I have modded it to work with latest and was thinking of releasing the updated version. had to ensure was ok
21:45	mauvebic	go ahead
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21:45	mauvebic	i never really saw a purpose to it though
21:45	mauvebic	with /givemes, creative
21:45	mauvebic	if users dont have access to those things the admin prolly dont want them pulling nodes out of their arse lol
21:45	hohoho	well I liked it because one could use it in a space colony theme (my original use for it)
21:46	hohoho	my first use of it was in the original marstest that I never released
21:46	mauvebic	i have a market mod that works for that too
21:46	hohoho	theme being the world is set on mars and you have limited resources and must colonize mars
21:46	mauvebic	it sells unlimited quantities
21:47	mauvebic	though it never sells more than was bought (balance)
21:49	Kacey	hohoho can i have a copy of marstest?
21:49	hohoho	the latest is on the forum
21:49	hohoho	though its rough
21:49	hohoho	I lost the original marstest
21:49	Kacey	k i will look it up later
21:49	mauvebic	i was also thinking about chemistry and transmutation but that would prolly be a bigger undertaking than pipeworks lol
21:49	hohoho	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4046
21:49	moltenbot	hohoho's link: Marstest V1 (modpack and world and maybe future fork?) (Page 1) - Minetest-related projects - Minetest Forums
21:52	mauvebic	a decent full chemistry mod would solve the problem of alot of crafts not making any sense at all lol
21:53	NakedFury	full metal alchemist style or the minecraft mod?
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21:55	mauvebic	not sure of the difference dont know the MC mod
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21:59	NakedFury	http://equivalentexchange.wikispaces.com/
22:01	kaeza	mauvebic, I like that idea
22:01	kaeza	about the chemistry
22:01	kaeza	+mod
22:02	mauvebic	well the notion behind a chemistry mod is you wouldn't need more than 1 dependency for crafting ingrediants, you'd have all the elements in one place
22:03	mauvebic	i mean, if i need plastic, i should be able to get some without installing a nature or flower pack along
22:04	Jordach	we need unifiedcraftingitems
22:04	mauvebic	... chemistry? lol all the elements
22:04	Jordach	oh yes, and let LandMine run around with plutonium
22:04	mauvebic	start with the solids then move on to liquids and gasses
22:04	Jordach	thats a "great" idea
22:05	NakedFury	I like how we moved from More to Unified in mod titles
22:05	Kacey	/join ##xbox
22:05	Kacey	haha fail
22:05	mauvebic	"great" ? lol
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22:06	mauvebic	i think for transmutation you'd need a mese-power proton collider?
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22:07	NakedFury	go medieval. yesterday someone was talking about how everything is so high tech
22:07	mauvebic	my wife wants me to make a wooden version of pipeworks along with mills and those water turning wheel thingies
22:07	NakedFury	yes I want that too
22:08	kaeza	mauvebic, and at last, you could craft water sources with 2 hydrogens and an Oxygen :)
22:08	NakedFury	low tech versions wood or copper pipes, water mills
22:08	leo_rockway	water mills sounds like fun
22:09	mauvebic	milling is definate plan because i already have the wheat in plantlib
22:09	NakedFury	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFhV6bKvQM
22:09	moltenbot	NakedFury's link: Minecraft Better Than Wolves: Water Wheels + Mill Stones - YouTube
22:10	mauvebic	if a mob mod has horses then you could mill oats too
22:10	kaeza	we also need to normalize a bit the HP restoration by food items
22:10	NakedFury	a really really complete agricultural mod could be possible
22:11	NakedFury	that youtube video is what your wife wants
22:11	mauvebic	i plan an adding as many plants as possible to plantlib (edible)
22:11	kaeza	I mean, what's the point in taking all the effort to make a cake that restores 8 HP when a simple apple restores 4 HP=
22:11	kaeza	?
22:12	mauvebic	well the pvp or survival concept hasnt been extensively developped
22:12	mauvebic	how much HP to lose in a battle vs how much HP to loose over time
22:12	mauvebic	its important that players neither die instantly nor take forever to kill
22:13	kaeza	I believe we should deviate from the Minecraftish hearts and implement something like a health bar or something
22:13	mauvebic	and the food healing should be proportional to how much people usually grow for themselves and how fast they can renew crops
22:13	mauvebic	you can have a health bar
22:13	sapier	does anyone have experience with on_leaveplayer?
22:13	mauvebic	change the hearts png to green squares
22:13	kaeza	also, 20 HP as max does not leave much flexibility
22:14	mauvebic	is that set in the engine?
22:14	kaeza	dunno
22:14	kaeza	hmm
22:14	mauvebic	submit a patch to set it for 100
22:14	Zetetic	What's the engine in?
22:14	Zetetic	C?
22:14	mauvebic	cpp
22:15	NakedFury	++
22:15	kaeza	C++
22:15	Zetetic	K
22:15	Zetetic	Danke :)
22:15	mauvebic	gracias
22:15	NakedFury	de nada
22:15	mauvebic	lol
22:16	jojoa1997_	thexyz:where is the config file in your latest build http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4420
22:16	moltenbot	jojoa1997_'s link: 3d Armor - need help! (Page 1) - Modding General - Minetest Forums
22:16	jojoa1997_	oops wrong link
22:16	jojoa1997_	http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-2013.01.08-8eb717d4d0.zip
22:16	jojoa1997_	that one
22:17	NakedFury	I owuld prefer 100hp over the very limited 20 we have now
22:17	NakedFury	would
22:17	mauvebic	i wish xfce had auto-tile
22:19	kaeza	NakedFury, that would allow very flexible planning for damage and restoration
22:19	NakedFury	yes
22:19	* Zetetic	thinks it should be 255
22:19	Zetetic	But not or any hugely good reason
22:19	NakedFury	well a bigger number would allow for better weapon and food(HP) system
22:20	kaeza	and maybe make max hp modifiable by lua
22:20	kaeza	to make RPG-likemods
22:20	kaeza	like mods*
22:20	mauvebic	sleep = +50% natural heal rate
22:20	NakedFury	another point is making it no be with hearts
22:20	Zetetic	Yeah, settable would be cool, but 2ⁿ-1 seems a good maximum
22:21	mauvebic	i dont care about the hearts, i replaced those with strips of bacon png
22:21	Socke	woah, i just started mintest for the first time, this game needs some better textures!
22:21	kaeza	mauvebic, yes, but the engine currently only draws either half a heart/bacon or a full image
22:21	NakedFury	what I mean about the hearts is that damage or health would be in half or full hearts increments
22:21	NakedFury	that sucks
22:22	thexyz	jojoa1997_: minetest-2013.01.08-8eb717d4d0/minetest.conf
22:22	NakedFury	currently we have a Zelda style damage system
22:22	kaeza	a smooth health bar would be awesome
22:22	mauvebic	custom hud's would be a bad idea, personally id like to have more than 8 tiles on the wheel
22:22	mauvebic	*wouldn't
22:23	jojoa1997_	thexyz: it says it is an example file and the file has a bunch of #
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22:23	NakedFury	I would like to have full 1-0 hotbar
22:24	mauvebic	you could have buttons for various aspect instead of cramming it all in the inventory lol
22:24	NakedFury	I for inventory, H for character[this includes equipment] this would open different windows and like you said stop cramming that window
22:25	kaeza	NakedFury, that would be possible if MT supported reading keyboard state from lua
22:26	OldCoder	Hi
22:26	kaeza	hi OldCoder
22:26	OldCoder	o/
22:26	mauvebic	there could be a simple way to map unused keys to specific formspecs
22:26	kaeza	\o
22:26	NakedFury	take other rpgs examples. Usually C for character stats, I for bags/inventory, J for quests/logs/diaries k for skills
22:27	mauvebic	m for map lol
22:27	NakedFury	yes
22:27	mauvebic	with so many mapper tools now we should all be able to include a map.png lol
22:27	kaeza	FPSs: F for flashlight, Z for prone, etc etc
22:27	mauvebic	or even have it served fresh
22:27	NakedFury	shift = running ctrl crouching z prone v for voice commands etc
22:27	mauvebic	naw dont further change the move settings
22:28	NakedFury	was an example. but I would agree to leaving the inventory window be inventory only
22:28	Kacey	brb switching computers
22:28	mauvebic	cuz people start tinkering with that shit, then it never stops lol
22:28	NakedFury	make new windows for added stuff
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22:31	NakedFury	also adding keys 1 to 9 or 0 for the bar would not mean increasing inventory size
22:31	mauvebic	hey if i can fit 12 squares on my screen then thats 12 i scroll with the mouse easily
22:32	NakedFury	ohh using the scroll wheel is different but yes
22:33	mauvebic	with like 500 nodes to choose from, you rarely finish a project with just 8 nodetypes
22:33	NakedFury	minecraft creative has middle button clicking changes your held block
22:33	Kacey	can i play xbox games on windows 8?
22:33	NakedFury	with an emulator
22:34	NakedFury	if there is one
22:34	marktraceur	This isn't an Xbox support channel
22:34	mauvebic	or the mousewheel could scroll through all 32 and the hud bar would adjust
22:34	jojoa1997_	i think we need dual hands
22:34	NakedFury	2 hands could open new possibilities
22:34	NakedFury	flashlight or torch wielding
22:35	NakedFury	sword+shield or 2 weapons
22:35	jojoa1997_	pick axe+shovel
22:35	NakedFury	maybe even holding the tools with 2 hands for increase mining/shoveling/cutting speed
22:35	marktraceur	NakedFury: -25% effectiveness for off-hand
22:35	jojoa1997_	pick+pick and press both buttons at once
22:35	NakedFury	thats for rpg ish mods to do
22:35	jojoa1997_	have 2 mese picks lol
22:36	mauvebic	unlikely
22:36	kaeza	marktraceur, how can I push my minetest branch to my repo?
22:36	PilzAdam	going to sleep; bye
22:37	thexyz	jojoa1997_: you should create it, there's no minetest.conf in my builds
22:37	kaeza	I mean, I cloned from c55/mt
22:37	thexyz	.example one is example
22:37	marktraceur	kaeza: git push origin <branchname>
22:37	kaeza	but want to push to kaeza/mt
22:37	thexyz	kaeza: add remote
22:37	thexyz	then push to it
22:37	jojoa1997_	does anyone have an example of what the default is
22:37	kaeza	ok
22:37	kaeza	gonna try
22:37	marktraceur	kaeza: Sorry, git push <remote> <branchname>
22:37	thexyz	git remote add kaeza gitgithub.com:kaeza/minetest.git
22:37	jojoa1997_	cause i dont know all the stuff
22:37	thexyz	then git push kaeza branchname
22:38	kaeza	marktraceur, thexyz: thank you!
22:38	marktraceur	jojoa1997_: There's a sample one in the source code
22:38	jojoa1997_	k
22:38	* kaeza	is a git noob
22:38	thexyz	then set that branch to track your remote, not origin
22:39	kaeza	ok
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22:39	kaeza	Permission denied (publickey).
22:40	NakedFury	2 hands could work for weapons, light objects, maybe increased mining speed for 2 hand holding tools and just for being different from other voxel games in this genre
22:40	* Oblivion1500	just figured out how to do this.... is an irc noob
22:40	thexyz	git branch --set-upstream your_branch kaeza/your_branch
22:40	* Jordach	needs a cup of tea
22:40	Jordach	:P
22:40	thexyz	kaeza: try ssh gitgithub.com
22:41	Jordach	\o/
22:41	kaeza	$ ssh gitgithub.com
22:41	kaeza	Permission denied (publickey).
22:41	kaeza	$ git branch --set-upstream master kaeza/master
22:41	kaeza	fatal: Not a valid object name: 'kaeza/master'.
22:42	thexyz	kaeza: you should add your public ssh key to your github profile
22:43	kaeza	ok
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22:49	kaeza	thexyz, thanks! I got it pushed. :)
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23:00	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIyXqBgFpFQ
23:00	moltenbot	Kacey's link: Happiness and death coaster - YouTube
23:00	Kacey	wow
23:00	Oblivion1500	https://github.com/languages/Lua/created
23:00	moltenbot	Oblivion1500's link: Recently Created Lua Repositories ? GitHub
23:01	Oblivion1500	thats alot of work in the last 2 hours
23:01	* hohoho	pokerface
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23:05	hohoho	brb
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23:08	TheZenKitteh	back (was hohoho and is better known as RAPHAEL but couldn't remember password for RAPHAEL so created a new nick finally)
23:09	kaeza	wb TheZenKitteh/RAPHAEL/hohoho :)
23:09	TheZenKitteh	lol ty kaeza
23:10	TheZenKitteh	finally decided I needed a registered nickname
23:12	TheZenKitteh	youtube needs more minetest related videos
23:13	TheZenKitteh	preferably showing off the various mods that exist to try to "lure" some new players
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23:13	NekoGloop	My SNES emulator just crashed :D
23:13	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Thanks for the update
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23:13	NekoGloop	You're welcome. :D
23:13	TheZenKitteh	lol sorry NekoGloop but you aren't only cat in here now
23:14	NekoGloop	technically i never was
23:14	NekoGloop	neko259.
23:14	TheZenKitteh	lol rephrase.. sorry NekoGloop AND neko259 you are not the only catS in here
23:14	TheZenKitteh	now*
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23:16	kaeza	BTW I never saw that neko 259 say a word in here
23:16	NekoGloop	Super Mario World is a very crashy game. (at least the way i play it ;))
23:16	NekoGloop	kaeza: because when he does talk, it's later at night.
23:17	Muadtralk	timezones ftw!
23:17	NekoGloop	ikr
23:17	kaeza	or for that matter half of the user list :)
23:18	kaeza	seems somebody got offended...
23:18	kaeza	sowwy!
23:19	marktraceur	Hm?
23:20	NakedFury	ew timezones they kill irc chat rooms. whoever invented should die
23:21	NekoGloop	have fun killing God.
23:21	marktraceur	NakedFury: Without timezones, you might not be able to get tech support 24/7!
23:21	marktraceur	NekoGloop: Pretty sure time zones are a human thing, mate
23:21	NakedFury	ew tech support
23:21	TheZenKitteh	who needs tech support
23:22	NakedFury	my mom hates them. a few weeks ago spent the entire day with tech support for the cell phone
23:22	TheZenKitteh	just blindly keep hitting buttons till it works
23:22	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:22	marktraceur	Wow
23:22	TheZenKitteh	is quicker than talking to tech support :P
23:22	NekoGloop	TheZenKitteh: *Self Destruct Sequence activated*
23:23	NakedFury	for Claro. they had not activated the new SIM card and it was messing stuff up
23:23	NakedFury	took them 3 days to finally do it right
23:23	kaeza	lol Claro
23:23	sapier	great ... register_on_leaveplayer functions are only called multiplayer ... is noone playing singleplayer?
23:23	TheZenKitteh	but really of the times I've been forced to call tech support I had to be "elevated" several times as I already did everything the first few agents wanted me to do
23:23	kaeza	the guys at Claro are sh*theads
23:24	Zetetic	Am I right in thinking there's no sane way to do tides?
23:24	NakedFury	we play multiplayer for great company and interaction of other players
23:24	NakedFury	I think tides would need source code editing and lots of it
23:25	TheZenKitteh	you know NakedFury.. a tired dyslexic like myself might read your name as NakedFurry.. just sayin
23:25	NakedFury	you dont have to be dyslexic to read it, people always misread it
23:25	NekoGloop	That was in EsperNet's #minecraft's topic once.
23:25	TheZenKitteh	I didn't.. till the first time after I saw your name and I was tired
23:25	kaeza	Zetetic, I think somebody did something like that with shaders
23:26	Zetetic	I might not know what shaders are then
23:26	kaeza	can't recall who
23:26	NekoGloop	Metroid Super Zero Mission, y u so hard.
23:26	Zetetic	It would need to modify blocks but I can't think of a sane way to do so
23:26	kaeza	NekoGloop, you don't know what 'hard' means until you play Nethack
23:27	NekoGloop	I actually just downloaded that onto my ipad last night.
23:27	leo_rockway	I went 5 floors down...
23:27	leo_rockway	my record
23:27	NekoGloop	havent played yet though.
23:27	kaeza	I went no more than 3 I think
23:27	kaeza	so much lack of food
23:27	leo_rockway	kaeza: I was doing the sokoban and I found an ants nest... they ate me.
23:27	Zetetic	leo_rockway: get confused, wear a ring or teleport control, read a scroll of teleport
23:28	Zetetic	Teleport a long way down and get a high score with little skill :)
23:28	leo_rockway	:D
23:28	kaeza	??? profit
23:28	leo_rockway	lol
23:28	Zetetic	Nah, you normally just die
23:28	NekoGloop	Yeah but with Metroid Super Zero Mission (which is a hack of Super Metroid), I cant get the freakin varia suit.
23:28	Zetetic	Because you end up in Hell
23:29	leo_rockway	NekoGloop: I have zero mission. I love it.
23:29	* OldCoder	will be back in a few minutes
23:29	leo_rockway	for the GBA
23:29	NekoGloop	Varia Suit requires me to get the Grapple Beam, which requires me to go through a heated Norfair room, which i die three seconds into.
23:29	NekoGloop	leo_rockway: So do i
23:29	NekoGloop	I also love Super Metroid.
23:29	kaeza	NekoGloop, there should be other way
23:29	leo_rockway	nethack is an amazing game, but SO frustrating.
23:29	NekoGloop	However this game is just....
23:29	NekoGloop	kaeza: you ever played it?
23:30	kaeza	not Zero Mission
23:30	NekoGloop	There is. It needs infinite bomb jump.
23:30	kaeza	played Super and Fusion
23:30	NekoGloop	kaeza: this is a hacked ROM of Super Metroid.
23:30	kaeza	and the original Metroid :3
23:30	NekoGloop	Made to be like Zero Mission while mixing with Super Metroid element.
23:30	leo_rockway	I was playing the one for GC, beat a very difficult boss after a few tries... then got killed by a lowly enemy and my game didn't get saved
23:30	NekoGloop	elements*
23:30	leo_rockway	I stopped playing -.-
23:30	NekoGloop	Prime was kinda meh.
23:30	NekoGloop	Corruption was good.
23:31	NekoGloop	havent played Hunters.
23:31	leo_rockway	I also have the DS one.
23:31	leo_rockway	not too good
23:31	NekoGloop	Do note that the Primes arent made by nintendo.
23:31	leo_rockway	I didn't know that.
23:32	NekoGloop	They are made by Retro Studios.
23:32	Muadtralk	!up zenoheld.minetest.net
23:32	Minetest-tan	Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net is up (0.338ms)
23:32	moltenbot	Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:30000 UP
23:32	leo_rockway	I thought zero and fusion for GBA were amazing.
23:32	Muadtralk	perfect
23:32	NekoGloop	leo_rockway: they are! :D
23:32	leo_rockway	I still replay them every once in a while
23:32	Muadtralk	!up zenoheld.minetest.net:30001
23:32	moltenbot	Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:30001:30001 DOWN
23:32	Minetest-tan	Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net:30001 is up (0.311ms)
23:32	NekoGloop	fusion is even fun after you beat it, because I hack in the ice beam!
23:32	Muadtralk	minetest-tan wins!
23:33	Kacey	haha bot arguement
23:33	Muadtralk	sorry but moltenbot didnt have the guts
23:33	Muadtralk	it messed up the port
23:33	marktraceur	Hrm, I thought I asked the two bot authors to decide whose bot should respond to things.
23:34	Muadtralk	obviously they ignored you
23:34	marktraceur	Apparently.
23:34	NekoGloop	moltenbot shouldnt do !up because it's shit at it
23:34	marktraceur	Sounds fine to me
23:34	Muadtralk	moltenbot responds more but minetest-tan gets things right
23:34	TheZenKitteh	maybe they each decided their bot was god?
23:34	marktraceur	Probably something like that.
23:34	* marktraceur	will give them some more time
23:35	marktraceur	sfan5|OFF: Please talk with iqualfragile (who is not online right now) at some point to determine the order of operations re: !up
23:36	Kacey	!up minetest.org
23:36	Minetest-tan	Kacey: minetest.org is up (0.291ms)
23:36	moltenbot	Minetest server minetest.org:30000 UP
23:36	TheZenKitteh	how do the bots know of the servers? manually added?
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23:37	NekoGloop	they ping it
23:37	NekoGloop	then do black magic to see if it's a minetest server.
23:38	TheZenKitteh	so any domain?
23:38	Zetetic	Don't they just check for open ports?
23:38	Muadtralk	let me check that
23:38	TheZenKitteh	!up google.com
23:38	moltenbot	Minetest server google.com:30000 DOWN
23:38	Minetest-tan	TheZenKitteh: google.com seems to be down
23:38	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:38	Muadtralk	!up zenoheld.minetest.net:5900
23:38	moltenbot	Minetest server zenoheld.minetest.net:5900:5900 DOWN
23:38	Minetest-tan	Muadtralk: zenoheld.minetest.net:5900 seems to be down
23:38	TheZenKitteh	o noes google is down
23:38	Muadtralk	yep
23:38	Zetetic	!up google.com :80
23:38	moltenbot	Minetest server google.com::80 DOWN
23:38	Minetest-tan	Zetetic: google.com :80 seems to be down
23:38	Zetetic	Apparently not
23:39	Muadtralk	dont put spaces
23:39	Zetetic	!up google.com:80
23:39	moltenbot	Minetest server google.com:80:80 DOWN
23:39	Minetest-tan	Zetetic: google.com:80 seems to be down
23:39	Zetetic	Doesn't work
23:39	Muadtralk	yep
23:39	Zetetic	Oh, works with one of them
23:39	TheZenKitteh	!up dtamedia.com:50000
23:39	moltenbot	Minetest server dtamedia.com:50000:50000 DOWN
23:39	Minetest-tan	TheZenKitteh: dtamedia.com:50000 seems to be down
23:39	marktraceur	Why are we doing this.
23:39	TheZenKitteh	!up onisamadojo.com:50000
23:39	moltenbot	Minetest server onisamadojo.com:50000:50000 DOWN
23:39	Minetest-tan	TheZenKitteh: onisamadojo.com:50000 seems to be down
23:39	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:39	TheZenKitteh	they aren't down
23:40	TheZenKitteh	bots are failing
23:40	marktraceur	TheZenKitteh: Then quit using them
23:40	Muadtralk	just observing if the bots check if ports are open or something else
23:40	TheZenKitteh	well dtamedia is wrong url but onisamadojo is up I know
23:40	kaeza	Zetetic, you are checking Google for a MT server
23:40	Muadtralk	theZenKitteh is using excess
23:40	kaeza	!ping google.com
23:40	moltenbot	64 bytes from 173.194.70.100: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=5.02 ms
23:40	TheZenKitteh	I was checking if they worked
23:40	Zetetic	kaeza: I thought they just checked for open ports
23:40	TheZenKitteh	they apparently don't work quite right
23:41	Muadtralk	they are not suppost to work that way
23:41	TheZenKitteh	then do explain Muadtralk
23:41	kaeza	!ping google.com 80
23:41	moltenbot	64 bytes from 173.194.70.100: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=4.79 ms
23:41	kaeza	!ping onisamadojo.net 50000
23:41	moltenbot	64 bytes from 76.184.22.212: icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=150 ms
23:41	kaeza	!ping onisamadojo.net 50004
23:41	moltenbot	64 bytes from 76.184.22.212: icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=168 ms
23:41	Muadtralk	!up is suppost to check for open minetest servers yes?
23:42	Kacey	i gtg for a while
23:42	kaeza	Muadtralk, yes
23:42	TheZenKitteh	onisamadojo has a minetest server
23:42	TheZenKitteh	and it is currently up
23:42	Muadtralk	so it would make sense there is a safeguard in place to make sure it is in fact running a minetest server
23:42	TheZenKitteh	but it uses port 50000
23:42	Muadtralk	ahem? you mean RAPHAEL?
23:42	TheZenKitteh	I am RAPHAEL
23:42	TheZenKitteh	just under diff nick
23:42	Muadtralk	ahhhh
23:43	Muadtralk	dtamedia is yours though
23:43	TheZenKitteh	no dtamedia and onisamadojo are a friend of mines
23:43	Muadtralk	ahhhh
23:43	TheZenKitteh	im just an unpaid admin over the server
23:43	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:43	TheZenKitteh	mostly the minetest side
23:44	Muadtralk	well the 30001 server I called proves it isnt version number that effects whether it shows or not
23:44	Muadtralk	because that one was running 0.2
23:44	NekoGloop	"onisamadojo"
23:44	NekoGloop	wat...
23:44	TheZenKitteh	right now the server is running latest dev as of a few days ago. testing currently
23:45	TheZenKitteh	runs on non standard port for reasons I don't even know
23:45	TheZenKitteh	lol owners idea
23:45	Muadtralk	haha
23:46	Muadtralk	I thought that was because it is a private server?
23:46	Muadtralk	was
23:46	TheZenKitteh	well it started as a private server during early testing to make sure everything worked right
23:46	TheZenKitteh	then moved to a semi public release for further testing and refinements
23:46	TheZenKitteh	soon it will be full public
23:46	TheZenKitteh	if it isn't already
23:47	TheZenKitteh	right now its pretty much open to anyone who has enough rep that I can be reasonably sure they won't cause chaos
23:47	sdzen	i still have that email
23:47	TheZenKitteh	however the cache download is huge
23:47	TheZenKitteh	over 15MB
23:47	sdzen	the invite to your private server :)
23:48	TheZenKitteh	yea that was back in early testing
23:48	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:48	NakedFury	is it close to 6 pm pst?
23:48	TheZenKitteh	you were on the old server that was testing before he upgraded his net access
23:48	TheZenKitteh	close to 4pm pacific I think
23:48	sdzen	yes and there was you and ishikawa
23:49	TheZenKitteh	yea ishikawa seems awol
23:49	TheZenKitteh	don't know where he got off to
23:49	sdzen	hmmm
23:49	sdzen	when had you last heard of him?
23:49	TheZenKitteh	but right now the active users are the owner, his daughter and myself mostly
23:49	sdzen	dtamedia.com right?
23:50	sdzen	or net
23:50	sdzen	or org?
23:50	TheZenKitteh	yea but due to domain reconfigurations the minetest server url is now onisamadojo.com
23:50	sdzen	whoa!
23:50	sdzen	big change :)
23:50	TheZenKitteh	?
23:51	sdzen	and i can't connect
23:51	TheZenKitteh	oh and now thanks to kaeza the in game chatter gets mirrored back and forth to the owners irc channel
23:51	TheZenKitteh	port 50000?
23:51	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:51	sdzen	yep
23:51	sdzen	so the bot was right
23:51	TheZenKitteh	no the bot isn't
23:51	TheZenKitteh	im connecting now
23:51	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:51	sdzen	what?
23:51	sdzen	how am i not then?
23:51	kaeza	<MinetestDTAmedia> *** RAPHAEL joined the game
23:52	sdzen	I am running the latest git
23:52	TheZenKitteh	onisamadojo.net
23:52	TheZenKitteh	excuse me
23:52	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:52	TheZenKitteh	net not com
23:52	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:52	TheZenKitteh	would explain why bot said down
23:52	sdzen	thanks for the warning :P
23:52	TheZenKitteh	!up onisamadojo.net:50000
23:52	moltenbot	Minetest server onisamadojo.net:50000:50000 DOWN
23:52	Minetest-tan	TheZenKitteh: onisamadojo.net:50000 is up (0.439ms)
23:52	TheZenKitteh	one says down one says up
23:52	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:53	sdzen	(06:39:37 PM) TheZenKitteh: !up dtamedia.com:50000
23:53	sdzen	or was it the fact you typed this?\
23:53	TheZenKitteh	yea im still trying to get used to onisamadojo.net being the domain and not dtamedia.com like it used to be
23:53	TheZenKitteh	if u noticed right after I realized I used dtamedia I did (06:39:50 PM) TheZenKitteh: !up onisamadojo.com:50000
23:54	TheZenKitteh	but I used com instead of net by accident
23:54	TheZenKitteh	lol
23:54		enchilado joined #minetest
23:55	TheZenKitteh	lol I thought 0.4.4 was unstable
23:55	TheZenKitteh	the dev is worse it seems for me
23:56	TheZenKitteh	server never tested with more than 4 players so no idea how many it can handle
23:57	sdzen	need a extra player
23:57	sdzen	?
23:57	Oblivion1500	i guess were gonna find out
23:57	TheZenKitteh	oh and in game skin switching mod is enabled
23:57	sdzen	cool

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